Venom #3 Storytime

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>>89232646

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>>89232656

venomfags still crying like children about this book huh?

>waaaah the mean edgy man hurt muh pwecious symbiote not muh venooooom

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>>89232677
Wait, so the entire symbiote species just had the Spider emblem the entire time?

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>>89232738

>>89232744
Yup. Its clear someone on this book's team (could be Costa, Sandoval, Lowe or Lewis. Or all of the above) have no idea how symbiotes work.

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>>89232791

>>89232773
I mean, unless they're trying to be symbolic, and the emblem is supposed the represent Venom's connection to his hosts.

>>89232677
Hey its not like we've fucked the symbiote origin enough in Guardians, so lets keep this train going!

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>>89232815
>trying to be symbolic
Good one, anon.

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>>89232773

This is a mess. A horrible mess I just can't help take my eyes off of. It's like so awful and every month wish to know the depths of stupidity this comic can attain.

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>>89232677
I really dislike this

>>89232773
> he could've left him the whole time

Seriously?

>>89233150
>>89233132
still with the un-armored jaw? youd think hed have learned his lesson

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>>89232791
So apparently symbiotes can no longer forcefully bond to a host?

>>89233132
I see the scorpion is slowly becoming a chicken

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>>89233306
Its Mac, of course he doesnt learn.
>>89233322
The mohawk isnt helping

Marvel continues to astound with this new season of titles. Holy shit this series is terrible. What on earth is going on at marvel right now, do they have any books that aren't utter drivel?

>>89232980
>that first panel

This edgehog.

Wow, this is fucking awful
We finally get Venom and Flash back on Earth, with Andi and a team of friends and a decent bit of character growth, and this is the follow-up?

Fucking trash

>>89233381
i think marvel just wants to ruin any series or character they dont have the movie rights to

Marvel goes Top Cow. Can't wait to see Witchblade in the new Avengers movie.

>>89232701
>fans of a character not liking that character being shit on

go to another board, just because you're a fucking casual who forgot Venom existed until this book doesn't mean we all are you self obsessed faggot

>>89233241
venom could have ditched his ass just about anywhere and body hop to one of the billion heroes that live in this fucking city but he won't because venom likes to be abused

>>89233490
I just have a bad feeling when we do get another Flash book it will be loaded with Drama about trying to redeem the symbiot

>>89233564
>Drama about trying to redeem the symbiot
But we just did all that
Twice!!

>>89232677
>shows so called klyntar bonded to other alien hosts
>all of them have the Venom symbiote color scheme
>ALL OF THEM HAVE THE SPIDER EMBLEM, THAT VENOM ONLY HAS BECAUSE OF SPIDER-MAN

What the actual fuck, this is fucking shit on the first page

>>89232814
So the Venom/Symbiote pretty much is playing the nicer half in this dilemma.

>>89232677
This comc and this series is fucking awful/edgy/dumb whatever, btut this page is the worst fucking thing ive seen i awhile thats wasnt just bad dialoge or plot or art... this is just... its like the people working on this never fucking read the original shit or even care, a page drawn and concocted by pure simpletons who know nothing abut the character they are working with just.. im baffled

mike costa pays people to tweet positive things about him

>>89232814
I like Wambaugh and Coyle.

>>89233490
>Wow, this is fucking awful

And its sad, the two issues before this were even worse.

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>>89233564
>but he won't because venom likes to be abused

You and I both know that isn't true. The Venom symbiote usually does whatever the fuck it wants, because IT wants to.

>>89233611
>this is fucking shit on the first page

Anon, Costa was getting shit wrong in sentence #1 of the first issue. This guy has never read a symbiote comic in his life. He probably got all his info from animated series and wiki articles.

>>89232886
>he has all his fingers

Is no one even trying?

>>89233979
I would much rather this series be Venom attached to one of them, like an extraterrestrial ride along

Thanks, OP. I think this was ever so slightly less shit than the previous issues, but not by much.

>>89234397
>A character so uninteresting that his own creators can't remember anything about him only three issues in.

>>89234397
>Costa and Sandoval can't even keep up with their own plot 3 issues in.

so is flash dead?

>>89232646
>Monthly
This literally can't end soon enough

>>89234397
that's a dream sequence but >>89232791 here it looks like he has all 10 and didn't he have a glove?

Do writers choose what books they want, or are they just assigned one? This guy seems like he doesn't care for the symbiote lore at all

>>89235401
>Do writers choose what books they want, or are they just assigned one?
I think a little of both. Its a case by case thing.

A lot of times writes ask to do a book and have an idea they pitch editorial. While other times, editorial decides to shake things up and forces a shuffle.

Allegedly, Costa is a "huge symbiote fan", but nothing in his writing even suggests that's true, other than when he included hosts like Ann Weying and Angelo Fortunato (in the corner, behind Gargan) here: >>89232703

>>89232910
Costa really thinks he's being artistic by having the symbiote depicted sitting/walking/etc next to Lee when they talk, doesn't he?

This "metaphorical symbiote" is just dumb.

>>89233150
I'm kinda curious as to what is gonna be in those letters. Does Marvel ever actually print negative feedback?

>>89233046
Wait.... so last issue the Agent had no fucking clue who Venom was. Now he knows all about the symbiote?

The fuck?

I really, really doubt it would actually happen, but I wonder if Mike Costa lurks here and is trying to fix all the things we were mad about last issues.

Even if that were the case, this is just really sloppy.

Just posting in this thread to let everyone know that I'm going to pretend Venom doesn't exist until after the symbiote has gone back to Flash and then I will pretend this book never existed. I also did not read the storytime.

>>89235782
Tbf, he could just have taken that from a wiki

I mean, I guess it was better than the last two issues, (not that that's saying much) but this new series is just so painfully mediocre. It's not really enjoyable, and Lee Price's character is still dragging it down.
I liked the Venom symbiote having to save him, because it shows how much its changed, but it also just left him, something it should have done immediately in the second issue. They've got the symbiote wanting to be abused, which doesn't make sense at all given its past.
They've just made me apathetic to one of my favorite characters in comics. I just don't care what happens right now. I'm invested in the symbiote, and that's about it.

>>89236011
I'm sure he did. Nothing in these three issues he's written so far even suggests he likes Venom's lore.

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>>89236032
>but this new series is just so painfully mediocre

No, its bad. Genuinely so. You can say it. No need to sugar coat it.

>because it shows how much its changed
The fuck are you talking about? Aside from Angelo Fortunato, the symbiote has ALWAYS been fond of protecting its host (even if former and even if they actively rejected it). See pic related.

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>>89236104

>>89236032
>>89236104

I mean from the first page (>>89232677) it's pretty clear that Venom's instinct is to bond with other life forms, presumably the stronger the better. It may be conscious, but it's not totally human. I'm not too familiar on symbiote lore, but it makes sense within the narrative of the book.

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>>89232867
Can someone give Felicia a good piece of cock already ???!!!!!

>>89236104
>>89236211
I just mean changed in general, from the monster its been to present.

And that's only for hosts it actually cares about. Like Angelo, it's barely been bonded to Lee.

>>89233046
Why would Black Cat give a shit about Venom, exactly?

>>89236417
Well, he wouldn't know this, but Venom beat the shit out of Felicia.

>>89236417
Villains have all the sex anon.

>>89232677
This is so fucking retarded.

Can someone please post issue 2? I didnt catch it last time

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>>89236348
>I'm not too familiar on symbiote lore
Well, lets fix that real quick. Here is the original Venom symbiote backstory.

>>89236417
Well, he did break her nose back in the 80s, while looking for Peter.

Also, why is Black Cat doing anything these days? She shouldn't even be a villain at all.

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>>89236687
So as you can see, the Venom symbiote was never really "evil". It just wanted to belong somewhere and experience emotions with a host that wanted it.

>>89236708
I agree, and it's kind of why I didn't hate Bendis making them originally good. Always thought something called a symbiote actually just being a parasite was dumb.

And ya, it did want only good things for Peter, something everybody seems to ignore after the 90's show said that it made him angrier.

However, once Peter rejected it and it bonded with Eddie, that really started it's downward spiral into madness. It got corrupted, and only got worse from there. That's why Flash was so great, someone who finally tried to turn it around.

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>>89236845
>That's why Flash was so great, someone who finally tried to turn it around

Flash abused it and drugged it and used it as a slave initially, just because you're nice to somebody after you rape them doesn't dismiss the fucking rape

Eddie was the only host that understood and cared for it truly, writers have retconned this because they're fucking morons, as you can see from this storytime and current Venom series

>>89236845
>It got corrupted, and only got worse from there.

Until the early 2000s, it never really got "worse". When it first bonded to Eddie, it was just mad from being rejected by Peter. But it mellowed out pretty fast, considering it had a host that wanted it now.

Wasn't till writers just said "fuck it" and turned the symbiote into a generic monster (see Spectacular Spider-Man v2 #1-5, when this started).

After that, no writers could agree with how Venom should function and we got a complete clusterfuck of characterizations and motivations.

>>89236896
>>89236934
I mean, it's not like Flash had much of a choice. It clearly wouldn't want to be with him to go on missions at first, but then it grew to like him, even coming back to him after the drugs had worn off in the savage land. And that was only like their third mission together. Flash eventually stopped using the drugs and they came to an understanding.

Who knows, the symbiote probably liked him because of his association with Spider-Man, someone the symbiote's always gonna be obsessed with.

And to be honest, I'm a big Flash fan, but that whole hunger stroyline that reveals Eddie had cancer and the symbiote didn't want him anymore never made sense to me. And then that storyline ends with the symbiote never being able to switch hosts again, but then the next time we see him, he's auctioning it off.

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>>89237144
>It clearly wouldn't want to be with him to go on missions at first

From issue #2 of Flash's book.

...you were saying?

>>89236041
Everything so far makes me think he just really wanted to write The Darkness.

>>89237210
Yes? I literally said that in the same sentence.

The fact of the matter is that Venom had been a monster for awhile at that point, especially with Gargan. Obviously the government isn't gonna just trust it. Flash didn't have a choice whether they were gonna drug it or not. The government barely cared about Flash or the symbiote, they were both expendable.

And clearly the symbiote can have it's own agenda, like when it tried to kill Spider-Man an issue or two later despite Flash's protests.

>>89237277
The point was: read the thought bubbles. Its clear that the symbiote wished no ill will on Flash from the get go. Flash was the one being hostile in their relationship.

The symbiote was with him right from the beginning, but Flash abused it.

>>89235895
No, they edit the letters people send in to save space. That said, I sent a fairly small-ish letter to Bendis for Invincible Iron Man recently (one of the earlier issues) and I recall that they took out all the criticisms.

>>89237352
>and I recall that they took out all the criticisms
That's bullshit.

>>89237350
My point still stands that Flash didn't have a choice not to drug it. the government would have blew him up.

And yeah, that conversation really starts the dynamic between Flash and the symbiote. Flash had never really had a conversation with it before since it was always drugged up. He thought it was a tool to be used because that's what it was given to him as.
Why do you think he eventually stopped using the drugs when he got out of the government's control?

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>>89236708
"Looking for a home" is not the same as "We were actually Green Lanterns all along but we're just really bad at our job"

>>89236632
>why is Black Cat doing anything these days?
She became a villain because "Peter" punched a tooth out. It'd make sense that she'd apply the same overzealous hatred for the creature that broke her nose.

>>89233381
>do they have any books that aren't utter drivel?
Foolkiller (RIP), Ultimates^2, Nova, Moon Knight and Captain Hydra.

OK, Captain Hydra is drivel, but entertaining drivel.

>>89237513
I'm aware. I was being facetious.

Its a ridiculously moronic plot point that should have been wrapped up years ago. Black Cat has spent more time being a hero than a crook. Why a stupid punch to the face while stealing something she should never have even attempted to steal made her do a complete 180? Editorial bullshit.

>>89237593
>Foolkiller (RIP)
so that got cancelled?

>>89237722
No, but it might as well be.

>>89232677
So Costa's endgoal when he was writing Transformers was union of Cybertronian with human?

>>89233611
So you claim Spider-Man thought that looking like a Spider-Woman he just met would have been a cool thing when he just wanted to repair his costume initially?

>>89232701
Maybe it's just because I'm over 30, buuuut remember when Mac became Venom, and everyone hated him and wanted Eddie back? And then remember when Flash became Venom and everyone hated the idea and say Mac Venom was great and wanted Eddie back? And now we've come full circle.

I for one have been enjoying the few issues of this comic that have been produced.

>>89235943
Okaay, that's a pretty autistic things to say.

>>89238589
It's okay, I'm the same as you.
I bet there's also plenty anon like us, it's just that like me, we don't bother to reply nor expressed it in the thread.

I mean, anon complaining about venom in /co/ is pretty common thing to see.

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>>89238589
>and say Mac Venom was great
Aside from the Sinister Spider-Man mini, no one ever said that.

Can't the Symbiote just have more children so they can make everyone Venom at once?

>>89238846
This is literally his post-event rationalization.

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>>89238880
According to Venom: Lethal Protector, no, it cannot. Only a limited number of spawns. Life Foundation extracted the seeds for all unspawned symbiotes.

>>89238946
Does it count as post-event rationalization if he does it immediately after said event?

This was so bad that it made me angry.

Can this dickhead just die so Venom can go back to Flash? Can we have Agent Venom and Mania back? Can Venom go back to being entertaining?

>>89238955
>All those wasted characters
>Then Hybrid became wasted
What was the point of this all?

>>89233075
Uh, yeah, he didn't just murder you to satisfy his own power trip and greed.

>>89238992
>What was the point of this all?
It was cool at the time. Separation Anxiety is one of the best Venom minis published. And The Exile Returns is great too, both of which spawned from this plot point.

>>89232932
>I can't let you die!

But, why????

>>89239195
Moralfag

Reminder that Flashfags aren't Venom fans, only Eddie fans are Venom fans because we were fans from day fucking 1

>>89239390
Why do Eddiefags have to do this? What's wrong with liking both Flash and Eddie? Stop the console wars bullshit.

>>89239438
>Stop the console wars bullshit.
This.

>>89239390
Don't believe this Flashfag in disguise.

>>89233611
>>89238586
>Planet of the Symbiotes, none of them have symbols, hell most dont even carry form the same as

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>>89240246
To be fair, the cover advertised the spider thing a ton

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>>89240294
WRONG

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>>89240361

Bendis being bendis didn't research the zillions of pieces of info available about the symbiote. Threw it out and made his own..much like all his stories. hes a hack.

>>89232677
dear god this is dumb

>>89232677
>let's take everything that made the venom symbiote unique among the symbiotes and apply it to every single one of them making it look like all that "what if?" fanart of venom bonding with X animal/species/character

>>89232980
ALL THIS EDGE
I CAN'T TAKE IT

>>89232910
So now we're Parasyte? This book has no fucking direction.

>>89235895
Absolutely, Avengers Arena was a nightmare in this respect. Bad writers love flaunting reader hate.

>>89241067
>Bad writers love flaunting reader hate.
You think we'll see a lot of that for Venom's letters column?

Anyone know the e-mail address to send stuff to?

>>89239438
>Why do Eddiefags have to do this?
Because of the arrogance of Flashfags, we must represent

Too many Flashfags act as if he is the true best host

>>89233132
Oh shit. The original Sinister Spider-Man vs the All-New Venom!

>>89241183
You realize how idiotic you sound right now, right?

>>89241334
Lets be fair, while coming off as an autist >>89241183 still has a point. Flash was not the symbiote's ideal host. Eddie was. Eddie had all the traits the symbiote was looking for in a host, as explained in the 90s Planet of the Symbiotes story.

>>89241482
Except that's not true either. Peter was the ideal host.

>>89241856
>Peter was the ideal host.
Yeah, except for the whole part where he didn't want to be bonded to a symbiote and ditched it the absolute first chance he could, after learning it was alive.

Eddie accepted the alien for what it was actively wanted its company for many, many years.

>>89242159
But that's the entire point. The symbiote was robbed of the person it wanted to be with, and will never be the same. Eddie could never hope to live up to that, no matter how much he tried. The symbiote will always be corrupted because of Peter.

>>89242519
The symbiote and Eddie will always be the best Venom, and the only match that isn't contrived BULLSHIT

>>89242519
>>89242696
If they are so great together, why is Eddie Brock a crazy guy hunting down Venom's children and grandchildren using the the one he will kill last as a tool for it?

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>>89232701
>absolutely terrible writing is excusable because it's different

>>89243986
Because Marvel comics is shit and has horrible people writing for them

Next question

>>89241183
I'm only saying this as a guy who hasn't read much Venom comics and stuff, but I've always thought that a character like Flash fits Venom and vise-versa because of Flash's relation to Peter and Spider-Man.

>>89244296
You mean like most of the venom comics from the 90s?

>>89245307
Well, Flashfags can be obnoxious sometimes

This was pretty good. Lee is based. I'm not sure why everyone is crying.

>>89246060
Because Not Muh, and EDGY, and Nastolgia, and waifufags who are mad the series isn't actually about Mainia, and then you have the few shut posters who want everyone else to believe that all of Marvel is just Hellcat and Woman Thor and Mockingbird repeated in every title.

Take your pick anon.

>>89243986
Because Venom wanted to do the same thing too?

>>89237722
Anon, the second issue sold 11k. It hasn't been officially cancelled yet, but that is insanely low.

Why do they keep doing all this space knight shit instead of just letting Venom be Spiderman's evil ex girlfriend

>>89246060
>Lee is based.

You must be 18 years or older to post here.

well,now it's venom is good guy and the host is forced to work for the government. maybe it's Lee's redemtion comicbook,not Venom's corrupting?

>>89245307
>>guy who hasn't read much Venom comics and stuff
That explains your thought process.

>>89246060
You've clearly never read a Venom comic in your life, kill yourself faggot

>>89238589
>>89238786
I've also been enjoying this series so far. The only problems I have with it are the Symbiote's origins being elaborated on, and Black Cat suddenly being a gang leader.

>>89248646
My reasoning is, I see Venom as like "The Rival" type of character. Like, for example, uh.... if Spider-Man is Ben 10, Venom is Kevin 11. And to me, Flash is like the best person to fill the role of 'The Rival', at least within the context of Spider-Man and stuff.

>>89248636
I don't really want to see him redeemed. I want to see him dead.

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>>89240915
Do not underestimate Costa's edge

>>89249300
Now you're getting into the edgy spirit

>>89249236
More like Spidey is Kyo Kusanagi and Venom is Iori Yagami.

>>89249022
>You've clearly never read a Venom comic in your life

He's not really missing much. Other than a shit load of unintentional comedy

>>89234397

I assumed that the symbiote healed him.

>>89236417

Maybe she'd want it for herself.

>>89249353
This comic brings out the worst in people, it's that bad

>Spent your entire life as a Cletusfag
>Finally justified after all those long years of mocking by every other Spider-Man fan

Feels fuckin' super.

>>89251918
>meanwhile, in the Anyafag loony bin, moi...

>>89251918
You know he's ginger right

>>89252296
DAYWALKERS ARE PEOPLE TOO

>>89242519
Anon, wants and needs are two different things.

Peter was the symbiote's most desired host.

Eddie was the most compatible host.

Big difference there.

>>89252351
Reminds me, vaguely related since Marvel...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7b2-aUkyKg
DAYWALKERRR, probably the best and only great thing about Blade 3 was this song

>>89246060
>Lee is based
Here's your (you).

>>89250889
>I assumed that the symbiote healed him.
Symbiote can close wounds 'n whatnot, but it cannot completely grow limbs from nothing.

>>89252476

Except Carnage, unless Cletus got his legs back some other way.

Or they're symbiote legs imitating human flesh tone.

>>89252503
>Or they're symbiote legs imitating human flesh tone.

He has robo-legs, remember?

>>89252518
Didn't they get trashed?

>>89252642
Oh right, forgot about the cripple fight from Carnage USA.

But yeah, the symbiote can replicate human legs. Was kind of a big thing in Flash's run.

>>89252518

He lost them and went back to having normal, human-looking legs in subsequent stories (except Nova, for some reason).

>>89252731
>except Nova
And Conway's Carnage book, where he's got the reverse joint legs.

>>89241482
Planet of the Symbiotes was also fucking shit so your point is pretty bad

>>89253401
>I didn't like it, so your point is wrong
Sure thing, autist.

>>89253441
pretty sure you'd have to be autistic to like planet of the symbiotes, lad

>>89253493
KYS Flashfag newfag
You're as bad as any retard who says Miles Morales is better than Peter Parker, you're cancer

>>89253613
I'm as bad as fans of Nigger-Man because I don't like a shitty Clone Saga Venom story? LOL

>>89237210
Remender's Venom was fucking on point.

>>89253088

Cletus has no legs in Conway's book. The reverse joints is the upgrade the symbiote got from the Darkhold.

>>89253493
I like the symbiote's origin in it. Doesn't mean the rest of the story is good.

You realize you can do that, right? That you can just like parts of a whole. You're not so autistic to think this isn't the case, right?

>>89232932
Goddamn this guy makes me angry. And he could've been dead already too. Fuck this goddamn shit book.

>>89233132
Fucking LOL what is this

>>89254862
Chicken armor.

>>89232703
>Remembering Spider-Man
But the venom symbiote was confirmed mindwiped near the end of Spaceknight.

>>89255147
>thinking Costa would bother reading any of the previous writers' work.

Mistake #1.

>>89232932
For some reason this reads like a homosex doujin.

>>89255829
Probably because of the ediginess and Sandoval being heavily influenced by manga.

Who the fuck is this edgy literally Not!Sasuke?

>>89255913
Lee Price. He's an ex-military guy who is an amputee (missing a finger... that suddenly appears again in this issue) and has ties to Mac Gargan.

>>89255975
Why didn't they just make Gargan Venom?

Gargan is totally underutilized.

>>89256017
Because Gargan is Scorpion.

>>89256062
Anyone can be Venom though, without sacrificing their own identity.