Marvel Asking Retailers To Order Unknown $35 TPB

Waitaminute, am I seeing this right?
Marvel is telling retailers to order a book wthout telling them anything about the fucking book? Just because they're Marvel?
The sheer arrogance.

This might have worked if they did something like an ARG that hinted about what the book was in a way that generated buzz and reader interest in an organic and interesting way.
But they didn't, because they aren't making good choices right now.

>>89205836
An unknown $35 comic book, yes. From Marvel. The comic book publisher.

>>89205929

The comic book publisher? Marvel?

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>>89205929
>An unknown $35 comic book
Just when you think Marvel can't fuck up any worst.

>>89205966
Marvel? The one that publishes comic books?

>>89205966
Yeah that's them. The guys who make comics.

>>89205800
You need to stop screen capping this retard. He'll order Classified like a good little bitch. Maybe he'll butch on twitter that it's not selling but Marvel has him in their pocket.

>>89205929
>>89205966
>>89205986
>>89206001
No you're all mistaken. Marvel only publishes shit now.

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Just when I think Marvel can't be any more Jew after that whole Motion Comic shit

>>89205800
They don't even have the courtesy to tell them who the creative team is.

>>89205800
Marvel NO!

you were the chosen one

>>89205800
>Waitaminute, am I seeing this right?
>Marvel is telling retailers to order a book wthout telling them anything about the fucking book? Just because they're Marvel?
>The sheer arrogance.
Customers not retailers. That looks like a previews

>>89206063
>Customers not retailers.
Everyone, really. Retailers have to submit orders for books and nobody knows what this $35 mystery book is about or who's working on it. Customers usually have a pull list if they're a steady or heavy purchaser and have to inform their retailers they want a copy. It's a complete clusterfuck, especially with lots of customer anger at the moment for Marvel's current products.

>>89206037
since when?

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>>89205836
>Marvel is telling retailers to order a book wthout telling them anything about the fucking book? Just because they're Marvel?

Best. Plan. Ever.

>>89205836
Stop it with your air of superiority. I'm sure Marvel would refund retailers for unsold copies

Marvel has been at this longer than you've been alive my friend. Chillax. They've got this.

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>>89206063
>retailers aren't customers

Don't you know how selling stuff works?

>>89205800
>open it
>it's just DC Rebirth madlibbed with Marvel characters
I'd be down

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>>89205800
>open it
>Civil War III

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>>89206191
>Stop it with your air of superiority. I'm sure Marvel would refund retailers for unsold copies
>Marvel has been at this longer than you've been alive my friend. Chillax. They've got this.

>They've got this.

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>>89206191
>They've got this

>Marvel Exec 1: People are pissed at the content and creative team lineups of our books!
>Marvel Exec 2: Well... I got it! We'll put out a solicit of a TPB where nobody knows the content and creative teams. And charge 3x the price of a standard TPB for it!
>Marvel Exec 1: HAHA! No returns, baby!

since Marvel couldn't kill the industry in the 50s or 90s they're trying again?

It's a bunch of old Captain America comics

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>>89206191
Meep.

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>This is so stupid someone working at DC is throwing shade.
I've never seen this happen.

>>89205800
Civil War 2:Trump's 'murica

>>89206125
>what this $35 mystery book is about or who's working on it
It's a compilation of old issues relevant to the Next Big Event, I think it even says so in the solicitation

Secret Wars has one, Monsters Unleashed has one, they're both $35

>>89205836
And they're going to get away with it.

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>>89206191
like they did all the other books that didn't sell?

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>>89205800

Squirrel girl and Hellcat omnibus

Remembers a few years back when we had that website counter for everytime DC fucked up?

I think we need to bring that back for Marvel.

>>89206407
kek

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>>89206422
The Best of Bendis by Bendis.

>>89206348
To be honest, Marvel are the usually the ones to fling shit at DC.

>>89206432
That counter shit was retarded. End yourself.

>>89206037
>Marvel NO!
Is that what they're calling their next relaunch?

>OH NO! Spider-Man
>OH NO! Captain Marvel
>OH NO! Thor
>OH NO! Inhumans
>NO! Fantastic Four
>NO! X-Men

>>89206478
Isn't it just Mark Waid?

>Its another episode that we pretend that people by trades from comic shops

>>89206522
Alright, I laughed. Have a (you).

>>89206527
And Spencer. And Slott. And Bendis. And Breevort.

>>89206522
Kassius go back to losing weight

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>>89206522

>>89206565
I only remember Waid.

>>89206584
Maybe that's the only one you pay attention to.

>>89206527
No. Marvel's always been incredibly antagonistic towards DC. Brevoort in particular. It's also almost entirely one sided. I don't know if DC has a policy regarding it or not

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>>89206478
>>89206348
>complaining = shitflinging

>>89206522
>sensiblechuckle.gif

>>89206602
Well I don't regularly go on twitter to rage at what people are saying.
>>89206614
Didn't Quesada encourage it too?

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>>89206522

>>89206614
>A professional company having a policy against its employee acting unprofessional or unbecoming
Every company that cares about its image has something like this.

>>89206639
Well that's too bad because you missed a very entertaining battle of the fatties on twitter. Simone rekt Slott.

>>89205800
> marvel tries to sell their comics as tie ins to their movies
> sales drop

> marvel tries to cater to a crowd that doesn't normally read comics at the expense of their existing reader base
> sales drop

> marvel renumbers/relaunches every book after a major events
> the bubble bursts & sales drop

> marvel releases civil war 2 to tie in with the new cap movie & try to catch lighting in a bottle and achieve success like the first civil war did
> most of their books (if not all of them) get knocked out of the top 100

> now they pull this

so what exactly does marvel have to do to make disney step in & take over?

i can only imagine what would happen when they finally do.

>>89206639
I might have been thinking of Quesada, actually

I recall either him or Brev doing this stupid thing where they were telling retailers to tear up DC comics for variants?

It's been a while and my memory isn't great

>>89206659
Yeah but some people want to build a different image. Obviously Marvel encourages attacking DC, or it did for a while.

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Lets think up a whole bunch of shitty stupid things that Marvel could do with its books next to over-inflate costs, and then make it even worse

My vote is doing one of those sliding panel puzzles as a cover with at least 35 different variant puzzles

>>89206297
Don't forget the 70s when they were directly responsible for the rapid increase in prices.

> We don't want another leak to spoil our stories
> Unless we do it ourselves to gain press
> Right, right
> Let's see if we can get publishers to order in mass a product without telling them what it is

>>89206659
Might also be because the people doing it are the "established guys", you know the ones that have a job for life probably.

Notice how none of the newer writers are talking shit about DC, because they know that might be where they have to move to.

>>89206692
>I recall either him or Brev doing this stupid thing where they were telling retailers to tear up DC comics for variants?
It was Quesada, yes. But that backfired so hard that he shut his mouth for a while.

>>89206721
Well, they can.

>>89206723
>>89206692
You know, this reminds me a lot of the old days of wrestling when wrestlers of WWF and WCW were shit talking the other company

>>89206348
I can't stand Rucka and this is coming from a fan

One minute its fuck marvel and DC and then in a few months he takes work from them

>>89206704
Sell the book and the cover separately

>>89206584
Spencer's shit flinging is insufferable, he can be the most company warring little faggot on twitter sometimes

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>>89206297
>>89206297
>the 50s
>the 70s
>the 90s
>the 2010s
>Marvel tries to destroy the industry every 20 years

>>89206723
Spencer is kind of a "new guy".

>>89206348
Aw, it's just Cucka.

>>89206718
>>89206297
How the heck did they manage to survive this long?

>>89206761
I'd read an event about this no lie

>>89206748
Well, Marvel's sort of treated it that way. Though it's a little less grandstanding than it was a few years back. I can see why you'd make the comparison

>>89206780
By selling their asses to corporations. First Cadence, then ToyBiz I think, now Disney.

>>89206487

Hooo, hit a nerve there, did I?

It was hilarious.

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>>89206567
NO!

>>89206780
People just like the marvel brand, I guess... They can seriously get away with anything.

>>89206780
They have great characters and used to make a lot of great comics.

>>89206780
They're run by a Jew.

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>>89206522

Okay so overshipping doesn't go towards dollar share like it does unit share

>2 3 IVX 1 $5.99 Marvel 167,703
>3 2 Dark Knight III Master Race 7 $5.99 DC 119,114

DKIII costs the same, yet still only got 3rd in unit share but 2nd in dollar share

Does that mean marvel overshipped IvX by about 50k

>>89206793
Fuck off mouseketeer.

>>89206348
Fuck Rucka and fuck Marvel people

>>89206838
Wouldn't be surprised

>>89206838
Basically.

>>89206748
Speaking of I remember when WCW advertised a PPV and the hook was the entire card was a secret, you had to buy it and tune in to see who was going to be wrestling. If memory services it was one of the worst if not the worst selling PPV the company ever had during its death throws.

>>89206838
That'd be about 50% over ship, sounds right

>>89206522
Next one will be
>We Accidentally
As in
>We accidentally Tony Stark
>We accidentally Bruce Banner

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>>89206761

>>89206009
>calls a retailer a retard because said retailer dared to question Marvel's dumb moves

Has anyone else noticed this has been happening more frequently? Like there's been an increased in half-assed Marvel defenses like the above and "there was no FF and X-Men embargo because there were no products for a year" or "Bleeding Cool talked to five retailers guys, they never said DC's sales were tanking during DCYou". Are Marvel's interns this desperate to damage control for the company?

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>>89205800
>avatar is pic of him holding a mug of coffee

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>>89207041
I found it more sad that Marvel interns are defending the company on 4chan of all places
Like how there are Scientology shills on 4chan.
Just...why

>>89206704
free gifts like those shitty pound-land tier toys you got on kids comics

>>89206704
Pogs? Hulk Hogan trading cards?

>>89206522
>>89207031
i always figured that the next one would be "FUCK YOU, IT'S MARVEL!"

as in...
> FUCK YOU, IT'S SPIDER-MAN!
> FUCK YOU, IT'S STAR-LORD!

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>>89206704
If Marvel's serious about crashing this industry with no survivors, there's only one correct answer.

>>89207041
He's not a retard for questioning Marvel's dumb practices, he's a retard for enabling them.
If he's truly losing money because of Marvel, if he truly can't sell their comics and if they keep sending him "free comics" that he apparently can't sell but has to pay the shipping for then why isn't he boycotting them? Bitching on twitter isn't going to solve shit, if he wants change then he needs to act. If he doesn't want change then he should shut the fuck up and stop complaining on twitter so much. Does he really think his twitter rants are bothering Marvel? They're getting paid to send him copies that apparently can't sell, if anything Marvel are laughing at him because he's talking about how Marvel is fucking him over and yet Marvel can sit back and laugh over the fact that they're getting paid to fuck this guy.
You need to stop with this "hur hur intern" meme because Marvel are fucking over the entire industry, even DC is making franchise vs franchise events now.

>>89207231
The last time a company is this hostile towards its own fanbase was what, Might #9?

>>89207248
>he's a retard for enabling them.

How?

>and if they keep sending him "free comics" that he apparently can't sell but has to pay the shipping for then why isn't he boycotting them?

I think you may be the real retard here.

>>89207276
I told you how you fucking retarded mouse fucker.

>>89207248
>boycotting
What about the Big Two don't you understand?

so what is the best possible result?

>>89207248
>hurr boycott just stop selling it
>competitors still selling it

>>89207296
Marvel intern falseflagging and accusing someone else of being a Marvel intern, that's a first.

>>89207248
>They're getting paid to send him copies that apparently can't sell, if anything Marvel are laughing at him because he's talking about how Marvel is fucking him over and yet Marvel can sit back and laugh over the fact that they're getting paid to fuck this guy.
How does Marvel get paid by giving away their products for free?

>>89206704
Variant covers that show all the title characters as how they would look if they were transgendered

>>89207248
Thing is, bitching on twitter is doing something because it's getting the word out.

>>89207335
They hire unpaid interns.

>>89207311
>so what is the best possible result?
Marvel stops publishing comics and the MCU is the canon universe. Like it is right now.

>>89207160
>Scientology shills
I don't believe you.
I don't WANT to believe you.

>>89206704
Miss Marvel * Elsa crossover

Leaks. We need leaks of the content.

>>89207319
So? He said Marvel comics aren't selling. If he's truly not making much money then he can just stop it. And GE's not the only owner complaining about Marvel. But hey, why make a stand when you can help Marvel kill your business and crash the industry.

Hell, I'm not even saying stop selling Marvel at all, how about when that shipping if free comics comes, instead of paying for the shipping cost and the throwing the comics away, how about he says "no thank you" and they're sent back.

>>89207231
ENDLESS TRASH!

>>89207240
i feel like marvel is well past that point the next logical step for them is paying people to buy their books

>>89207335
They don, that's the retarded part. Diamonds get paid for shipping and retailers waste money on storage. And the result is that retailer loses money on shit he doesn't need and Marvel manages to inflate their sales by 50-60% for no reason whatsoever and they lose a shittone of money. They could've lowered the cost by 50-60% and allowed returns. Their sales would improve.

>>89207374
Just start a thread on /tv/ about any of those scientology documentary and they will come flocking out of the woodwork

>>89206191
>I'm sure Marvel would refund retailers for unsold copies
EXTREME JEW FACE

>>89206369

the solicit just says CLASSIFIED, the only thing that makes you think its a lead up to the next event is the fact that it says PRELUDE after CLASSIFIED, and the last few events have all had "Prelude to _____" tpbs come out a couple months prior to their starts

>>89207335
Inflate numbers, cheat on the sales chart and build up the buzz that they're still #1. Remember that most comic book buyers don't even look at interviews from creators on an upcoming title they are interested in buying.
And there's also variant faggotry.

>>89207401
>instead of paying for the shipping cost and the throwing the comics away, how about he says "no thank you" and they're sent back.

1. The "free" comics are bundled up with other comics that they need to sell.

2. They can ask Diamond to reject it, but that means rejecting ALL promotional material of any kind which isn't feasible.

>>89207441
Someone shoop Ike's face on him!

>>89207401
No returns policy. As in not even for the stuff you didn't order. Monopoly fucks everyone, what a surprise.

>>89207248

>You need to stop with this "hur hur intern" meme because Marvel are fucking over the entire industry, even DC is making franchise vs franchise events now.

I mean, Marvel just wrapped up a shitty hero vs hero event, is currently doing a hero vs hero event and we can assume that Secret Empire will have some hero vs hero on it (since it's about HydraCaptain America)

DC only has JL vs SS

>>89207248
>even DC is making franchise vs franchise events now.

you mean their current crossover.
of a team of heroes.
fighting a team of villains?

>>89207493
Don't forget Monsters Unleashed

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>>89205800
Now plot twist. Its a new tpb of Trouble.

>>89207356
>it's getting the word out.
Everyone everywhere is trashing CW2 and yet the last issues was #1 in digital sales(so you can't accuse them of overshipping)
Talk is cheap, anon.

>>89206522
>Marvel OH YEAH Guardians of the Galaxy

>>89207520
>Absolute Trouble

>>89207401
>how about he says "no thank you" and they're sent back
because Diamond bundles all your comics together and if you want to say "No" to the free Marvel shit, you have to say no to your ENTIRE WEEK'S ORDER

>>89207493
JL vs SS is actually ok. It's not about SS fighting JLA because every hero is brain dead.

>>89207524
>Everyone everywhere is trashing CW2 and yet the last issues was #1 in digital sales

Sure, for a week. Then the chart had problems and didn't get fixed till today.

https://www.comixology.com/comics-best-sellers

>>89207545
He's complaining that he can't sell Marvel comics at all so... worth a try.

>>89207516
Not even a crossover because none of the other books stopped to a screeching halt to accommodate this new event

>>89207516
And even then they aren't actually fighting each other. They are fighting Max Lord.

>>89207598
Suicide Squad and Justice League have tie ins.

>>89207588

right, hes complaining about Marvel books.
but Diamond bundles ALL their books when they send them to you.

so if he refuses the order because of the extra Marvel shit hes getting sent, that means hes also not getting his DC/Image/Dark Horse/etc etc stuff for the week.

>>89207614
Which are?

>>89206704
>make [CLASSIFIED] tpb

>make all pages black with "[CLASSIFIED] Pg #x" written on it

>every last title that Marvel publishes has one page at the end of the issue that has a single unique page from [CLASSIFIED]

>you must buy every title for 18 solid months to get every [CLASSIFIED] page

>>89207572
>>89207598
>>89207613

I was saying more the "villain vs hero" thing.

everyone gets mad at Marvel's franchise v franchise, because they're all heroes fighting each other for stupid reasons.

DC at least still has heroes fighting villains.

I don't know what's more depressing, Marvel pulling this shit or the people who with a straight face defends Marvel these days.

>>89207632
Right. Then cancel all marvel titles from your next week order.

>>89207637

the main Suicide Squad and Justice League books?

so the crossover is the mini JL v SS, and then those two main monthly books are involved as well.

>>89207637
King's Batman. I am Suicide arc, which is complete and utter trash. Well, all King's run is trash. Rebirth Bats is a complete and utter wanker.

>>89207673
The latter. Marvel's been pulling some similar shit for a long time so it didn't come as a surprise.

>>89207637
Justice League and Suicide Squad, dum dum. They are doing tie in issues to the Justice League vs Suicide Squad event which is a separate mini itself.

>>89207637
They are in Suicide Squad and Justice League.

>>89207401
>Retailer says he isn't ordering any in OP's pic.
>Well, why doesn't he just not order any if he's going to complain about Marvel??????
Uhh...

>>89207676

Are you for real? Do you know how business work? With comic shops the profit must be so little that cancelling some of the best sellers is shooting yourself on the head.

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>>89207694
>all King's run is trash. Rebirth Bats is a complete and utter wanker.
Oh, it's you again.

>>89207676

final order cut off for most books is generally 6 weeks before release.
thats why solicits come out 3 months in advance.

>>89207535
Lol, nice one.

>>89207725
But they're not best sellers according to him.

Why are these retailers acting like this is new?

They do this shit every year with the the event prelude tpb's

>>89207668
Yeah, I hate that too and was agreeing with you. My point was that SS aren't straight up villians, what with being forced into a shady paramilitary and all.
And they managed to turn what looked like hero vs antihero into an actual Hero+antihero vs Max Lord and his party of wankers.
And I liked it.

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>>89207714
>>89207707
>>89207687
>not putting tie-ins in absolutely all the DC books
What a stupid publisher.

>>89207694
I wouldn't really count I Am Suicide as a tie in.

>>89207748
>They do this shit every year with the the event prelude tpb's

Did they cost $35 too?

>>89207748

but those are openly like "heres the event prelude, it includes these issues by these people"

this has no identifiable information to tell you what it is, and everyone assumes its the event prelude because it has PRELUDE in the title.

>>89207746

He is not complaining about the Star Wars books, that are usually on the top of the charts. They usually complain about variants and overshipping of books that are not selling. And now this shit of a secret book they want you to order.

>>89207760
I mean... You could say in Avengers vs X-Men they were fighting the Phoenix Force...

>>89207776

nope.

>>89207767

it really isn't.

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>>89206522

>>89207766
DC always did a great job with that considering events, but you never know, in the future they might try the Marvel way...

>>89207748
>Why are these retailers acting like this is new?
>They do this shit every year with the the event prelude tpb's

Where?

>>89207780
So why not just order Star Wars for a month? Also, CW was Marvel's best seller the last few months and he complained about it not selling well.

>>89207823

I feel like the last time they went tie-in crazy was Blackest Night, and even then, the tie-ins were all separate minis and not the main books unless those characters were major players in the event (GLs for example)

oh and Flashpoint, but considering all the other books actually ended, I don't that really counts

>>89207697
It really angers me when I try to argue this shit outside of /co/. Like how people defend Bendis, the Original 5 X-Men, and so much other crap.

>>89207730
I'm not trolling, I genuenely hated it. It just manages to go from great to shit and back in a matter of few pages. It has good and even great parts, but I hate what they've done to Catwoman, I hate the romance thing, I hated Bat-scyscraper-turrets, I hate Batman fighting Kaiju Venom monster things, I hate Waller just waltzing into Batcave, I hate the crew Bat gathered to infiltrate Santa Prisca, I hate Batman fucking over Bane for reasons, I hate forced Batfamily everywhere. I just want my street level detective comic books. At least I got Batman Europa this year.

>>89207848
>Also, CW was Marvel's best seller the last few months and he complained about it not selling well

yea?
it was Marvel's best seller, not his store's.

I don't see whats difficult about that concept?

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>>89207866
>I hate this book but I keep reading it to the last page

>>89207767
Why not, exactly? The series of events, as far as I know goes like this:
Waller tricks Bats into going to Santa Prisca
Waller goes into Batcave to steal some files.
Batman throes a shit fit because he got tricked and seeks his personal enforcers on the SS. He didn't even tell JLA about neck bombs(maybe he didn't know, I'm not quite sure about that, but he used one of them in the third issue).

>>89207895
He said he can't move Marvel comics in general. Why do you have to defend Marvel's shit like such a bitch? Just take a break from ordering the comics of the company that you complain non stop is fucking you over. Or just order very little comics from them. It's better to sell out than have hundreds/thousands of unsold shit. If Marvel's fucking you over, then try fucking them back. If stores would try it, they could actually fuck Marvel because they rely on these stores to make money.

>>89207848

Have you been in a comic book shop before?
Because people preorder comics, that's how they proximate how many they have to order months in advance.
They can't just tell to their costumers that they don't the continuation of the book they ordered because they don't like Marvel, they will lose those costumers.

>>89207930
That's what /co is all about. Reading stuff you don't like and then bitching about it. That's why people storyime Marvel books.

>>89207930
>>Describe you hate something
>>"LOL, why you keep reading?"
>>Don't read it and say why you don't like it.
>>"PFFT! Typical /co/ doesn't read comics!"

>>89207861
Forever Evil had that villain month, which actually had some interesting stuff

>>89207955
>Why do you have to defend Marvel's shit like such a bitch?

He's defending a retailer while you're attacking the retailer because you think Civil War being Marvel's top seller means they did well. Who's the Marvel shill here?

>>89207975
>>89207969

>event has a good build up
>editorial shat over it by letting Bendis extend CWII so a handful of books entered filler mode
>absolutely terrible teasers, with the last one erasing all the hype

The last nail in the coffin is if they confirm Miles as a main character

>>89207955
anon plz, Marvel relies on movies to make money, not comics

Marvel comics are kept around as a legacy, an idea farm at best

>>89207942
It sets up the events of JL vs Suicide Squad but the arc isn't primarily about it. Also it wasn't marketed as a tie in either.

>>89207957
They can because customers don't just buy a few series and then quit comics when they're done. Also, the can just order very little comics. Get it through your thick skull, if these comics aren't selling then there aren't a lot if customers he's missing. If he does have a lot of customers that buy marvel then he should just ship up and thank marvel for helping him earn a meal. But the tale he's telling says otherwise.

>>89207942
Waller told him about the neck bombs during JL vs SS.

>>89207988
Those were separe one shots, not tie ins.

>>89208026
Point taken.

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>>89205800
Marvel inventing new innovative ways to promote and sell their TPB. Granted it is probably Civil War II.

>>89207999
You for saying it's okay for Marvel to bully shop owners into ordering their shit.

>>89208020
>anon plz, Marvel relies on movies to make money, not comics

Movies got separated from the rest of Marvel.

Realistically, what would Marvel have to produce that would make YOU shell out $35?

>>89208093
Ms. Marvel doing qt things xD

>>89208085
Sure thing Marvel shill.

>>89207955

You retard. No one is defending Marvel, they are defending the store because as shitty as Marvel is they are still selling (but they overship books that are not selling because they want to look good on paper and also force stores to order more than they need if a client wants a variant they have to order 100% more of previous months to get it)

>>89208037

Is not that easy, you mongoloid. If
Just go to their twitter page and they are talking about how IvX 2 sold out immediately. They are complaining about other practices that you would know about if you actually bought comics. Your reaction of hurr hurr if they hate Marvel so much why don't they just stop buying from them? Is something that would kill the Store. Plain and simple.

>>89208050
That's even worse. World's greatest detective never even questioned thy SS is called that. He just assumed that vaillians work together because they get their sentences reduced.
Oh my god. I just realised why I hate rebirth Bats. He rushes into things because >muh family
fucks over people left and right and never even stops to think or research.
More than that. He keeps yapping about his family. But Cass still can't read well.

>>89208059
Then I guess there hasn't been tie-ins since what, Flashpoint? Final Crisis? Blackest Night?
What events even happened during N52

>>89208093
An apology letter written in Brev's blood and a ticket to have violent sex with any five Marvel employees

>>89208093
An official porno featuring Kitty Pryde banging either Miles, Luke Cage or both by Bendis.

>>89208144
And anon still can't stop reading a book he hates.

>>89208154
>a ticket to have violent sex with any five Marvel employees
Name five Marvel employees you'd fuck. It can be as gory and rapey as you want, but it can't be just murder, it still has to be sexual.

>>89208131
I'm the Marvel shill for literally shouting "STOP ORDERING MARVEL COMICS" and you're saying "no, Marvel can and should do whatever the fuck the want. I hope they crash the industry teehee". Eat shit, you fucking retarded monkey.

>>89208154
A bunch of books had Zero Year issues.

>>89208093
never do events ever again and/or a complete restructuring/purge of management

>>89208093
Swimsuit special all ages allowed
We already had Sam in his briefs, I want more

>>89208143
No, you are defending Marvel for bullying the shop owners that prefer bitching on Twitter instead if making a stand.

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>>89208194
Welp, you got me there

>>89208230

Fuck I miss those Swimmsuits specials.
But I'd bet money on never seeing them again, I can already imagine the Mary Sue/Verge/Buzzfeed articles about it being sexist.

>>89205800
>on sale April 2017

if you fucking idiots don't think this is some elaborate April fools joke, then you're dumb.

>>89208144
First off they aren't officially called the Suicide Squad, they are known as Task Force X, Suicide Squad is just nickname. Secondly they arent called the Suicide Squad because of the neck bombs, they are called the Suicide Squad because they are a sent on missions with an extremely high probability of heavy casualties and if they fail they will be left to whatever horrible fates await them. Thirdly just because Batman is the worlds greatest detective doesn't mean he will uncover everything during the course of an investigation.

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>>89207864
Speak of the devil!

>>89208194
Meanwhile on DC... Joelle Jones, Nicola Scott, Marley Zarcone, Gerard Way, Tula Lotay, Emmanuelle Luppachino

>>89208235
>>89208214
No one is buying your falseflagging, Marvel intern. Give it up.

>>89208309
Except marvel has been doing this for a while now

>>89208178
You mean he can't stop ""reading"" a book he hates, because he wasn't aware of >>89208314

>>89208297
Just make sure you include an equal amount of beefcake, toss in Big Bertha and The Blob, maybe some aliens/non-binary characters, and they can't say shit.

Or rather, mainstream will notice how paper-thin the shit they say is.

>>89208336
Well, look at it from their POV. Why stop if you can get away with it?

Remember that time when guys that make Cards against humanity started seelling boxes of shit? Just literally boxes of shit. And people bought them.

>>89208309
That's some sad damage control, intern. "I-It was just a prank, bro!"

>>89208093
A Jack Kirby Inking Book. All the pencils by the King so you, True Believer, can practice inking with the true god of the MU.

>>89206125
>Retailers have to submit orders for books and nobody knows what this $35 mystery book is about or who's working on it
It's a collection of lead-in issues for Secret Empire. Probably mostly stuff from Captain America: Steve Rogers, Captain America: Sam Wilson, Thunderbolts and Uncanny Avengers since those are the 4 books that are handling the lead-in to Secret Empire.

>>89207449
It's pretty much the exact same solicitation that they did for the Secret Wars Prelude book.

>>89206522
OH NO! Hans, run! It's the HULKgoyf!

>>89207955
>It's better to sell out than have hundreds/thousands of unsold shit

sure generally true.
but if you do that repeatedly, the people who show up when you have no books? they're not coming back.

and for a business, thats a bad thing to have happen.

>>89208319
Bennett looks actually good now

>>89208379
They'll likely update the solicitation before final order cutoff as well. This is simply because they had to have a solicit out by a certain time, but did not want to reveal the details of Secret Empire a month early.

>>89208407
You're missing the point, they're not selling much marvel as it is. People come in their stores primarily for DC and the occasional Image(their words). If what you're saying us true and they depend on Marvel to survive then they are lying and Marvel comics aren't selling so bad and they have no right to complain because Marvel is helping them stay alive.

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>>89208317

>>89208389
http://www.newsarama.com/23255-marvel-comics-full-april-2015-solicitations.html

SECRET WARS PRELUDE TPB
Written by JONATHAN HICKMAN, JIM SHOOTER & BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Penciled by STEVE EPTING, MIKE ZECK, RYAN STEGMAN, SARA PICHELLI & ESAD RIBIC
Cover by DALE KEOWN
Follow the path to 2015’s event to end all events, Secret Wars — an epic more than 30 years in the making! From the senses-staggering climax of 1984’s original SECRET WARS saga, to the origin of Miles Morales, the new Ultimate Spider-Man, it’s all been leading up to this. And Marvel’s master planner, Jonathan Hickman, has long been planting seeds for the story only he could write. The Ultimates face an enemy more powerful than the gods — and Reed Richards is its leader! Doctor Doom faces threats from a universe he created! And the Illuminati reunite to face the reality-destroying threat of the Incursions! War is coming — be ready! Collecting NEW AVENGERS (2013) #1-3, MARVEL SUPER HEROES SECRET WARS #10-12, FANTASTIC FOUR (1961) #611, ULTIMATE COMICS SPIDER-MAN (2011) #1 and ULTIMATE COMICS ULTIMATES #4.
240 PGS./Rated T+ …$34.99
ISBN: 978-0-7851-9399-9

They didn't classify it, what are you talking about?

>>89208471

you're acting like this is just ONE retailer having issues.
its a lot of them, the one guy is just the most vocal about it.

>>89208561
Talked to my retailer about the overships. He likes them. Free product, if he manages to sell a few it's extra money he didn't expect to get.

The shipping charges per book are minimal at best. Less than a nickle I think he figured out. As for storage cost? Toss them in the recycling bin if need be.

>>89208586

cool.
so you have one in the pro column, and like a dozen in the con column.

>>89205800
>>>/pol/

>>89208608
The thinking is, most retailers are ordering to what sells, so no shelf copies. Marvel is thinking sending free extra copies means copies on the shelf for a potential buyer to see and maybe buy. I get the logic, you can't sell a copy of Nova to someone wandering in looking around and there are none on the shelf.

Most customers don't ask either. They walk in, look around. Don't have it? They just walk out without saying a word.

As for Marvel "manipulating the sales charts", nobody cares about those except some people on here. Retailers don't care as those numbers mean nothing, just their store sales do. And the numbers are in no way accurate, they are just U.S. Diamond accounts, and all numbers are extrapolated based on surveys to a few retailers to guess the total orders. All Diamond gives out is a percentage of sales against that month's Detective Comics (or Batman, I forget which).

Yes, numbers are fascinating and it's nice to know how well your favorite books are doing, but it is not indicative of everything. Some books are filling a niche or perceived need, like all the female lead books Marvel is trying to push. Creative team costs vary per book. I'm sure Jim Lee's art costs more than Erica Henderson's.

>>89208546
>what is a resolicitation

>>89208634
this is the most /co/ thing /co/ has bitched about marvel in a long time tho

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>>89206808
Name 1 (one) great Marvel comic.

>>89208460
More than a month early. Trade solicitations have to be done way ahead of time because book stores (ie non-direct market) need that info much further ahead of time (~6 months) than Diamond distributed comics do (~3 months). We knew about this solicit for months now.

>>89208561
That's my point. They can all rally together.

>>89208751
This. I'm so fucking sick of drones trying to defend Marlel. This is garbage and no amount of words will change that lol.

>>89208746
Triumph & Torment

>>89208746
Miller's Daredevil.

>>89208586
So Marvel is helping stores while DC is hurting them with their 2.99 shit.

>>89208802
It would be if there comics were selling.

>>89208802
To some, yeah because they are making less money per unit for $2.99 books. Every store has a different philosophy. I'd prefer to see $2.99 books too. My retailer doesn't seem to care one way or the other, but not everyone running a comic store is doing it for the love of comics.

I've seen bitching about the DC stuff being twice a month too, as "it costs $5.98!" to keep up with whatever book, even though they are getting twice the pages a month too.

>>89208746
Marvels

the Alex Ross one

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>>89206522
ebin

>>89208835
If comics aren't selling then stop ordering.

>>89208718
There's no evidence anywhere that Secret Wars Prelude was originally solicited as completely classified. Unlike the "Classified Prelude", which actually had people talking about it.

>>89208802
too bad no human reads Marvel

>>89208746
Silver Surfer: Requiem
Vision

>>89208868
which is what they are implying they are going to do

>>89206544
I mean, I do, though that may be because ordering comics in this godforsaken country is pretty difficult at times.

>>89208729
marvel are the most progressive company on the market, obviously /pol/ is gonna come out of the woodwork and shitting on them at every opportunity over nothing

>>89206614
DC's policy seems to be "Don't shitpost on twitter about stuff related to your work"

>>89208907
They're crap.

>>89206667
Do tell.

>>89209000
>fake progressive
Fixed.

>>89209000
>marvel are the most progressive company on the market
If Marvel is considered progressive, this world is fucked

>>89209026
Okay.

>>89206723
The new writers do too, though with them it seems less like a loyalty thing and more like a "this is problematic" thing.

>>89208214
Stop being ignorant. Comic shop retailers can't simply stop ordering Marvel altogether. Marvel is part of the Big Two for a reason. Their market share take up almost half the percentage of the entire industry.

>>89205836
They do this all the time with CLASSIFIED solicits except it's usually for books that are like $4-$6 which is ridiculous but not as ridiculous as a $35 TPB.

Why is marvel so shit?

Seriously

Why would this and everything they're doing in any way acceptable?

Worst part is getting what they deserve wouldn't just hurt them, it would hurt everybody else.

>>89209133
They can, but they won't.

>>89208154
>>89208221
There was also the Future's End one-shots, but once again, those were not exactly tie-ins. The individual runs seemed to have a lot of crossovers, but I cant really think of a big "all titles must connect" crossover in N52

>>89209192
Doing so would hurt the entire industry, not just marvel.

>>89207866
>At least I got Batman Europa

Opinion discarded.

If I were a retailer, I wouldn't order a book I know nothing about, not even the creative team, especially if it's $35. There's no guarantee whether or not it would sell and I wouldn't want to take the risk.

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>>89207231

>>89209208
No.

>>89209286
Are you a market analyst?

>>89209208
What marvel is doing right now is hurting the entire industry.

>>89207415
It's ok, the longer they stay on 4chan, the more they become like us.

We're saving them from themselves slowly.

>>89209303
Dude, this is /co/. Everyone here is a market analyst, as well as a master of writing, drawing, publishing etc.

>>89206704
They will go for the tried-and-true worst idea ever: variant pages.

So, if you want to read ALL of, say, issue 6 of Spider-Man, you have to buy 3 copies of it, each with different cover and each with 20 same pages but also 2 different pages! That way you get the whole 26 page story and you only had to pay 3 times the cover price!

>>89206522
>NO! Fantastic Four or X-Men
CUT MY COMIC INTO PIECES
THIS IS MY LAST EVENT
ALL TEAM BOOKS
NO UNTOUCHED SOLO
DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF I KILL HALF THE CAST

>>89209462
They did that once with Slingers. I thought it was kinda neat at the time, but certainly don't want to see it happen again.

>>89206191
PUT ME IN THE SCREENSHOT

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>>89206191
>I'm sure Marvel would refund retailers for unsold copies

>>89206544

Bookstore are less likely to stock this

"Here take a risk on this $35 book, we can't tell you what it's about or who wrote it though, it's a secret DOHOHOHOHOHOHO!"

>>89208093
King's Vision omni

>>89206816
Atleast jews are competent enough to run a company

>>89207848
>CW was Marvel's best seller the last few months

Because everything else sells like trash

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>>89206191

>>89206191
you fucking idiot, Marvel has almost never refunds unsold copies.

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>>89206191
>I'm sure Marvel would refund retailers for unsold copies

>>89208093
a nice Loki AoA hardcover

>Reddit will defend this
It's the ignorance of these normalfags that gives Marvel the courage to do this shit again and again. Marvel isn't the only problem, their normalfag audience is too.

>>89206191
Take my (You) as well nigga.

>>89206760
I like Spencer as a writer, but I wouldn't want to associate with him.

>>89208093
Nova post annihilation omni

those books are fucking impossible to find

>>89208746
Squadron Supreme
The original MArk Gruenwald one mind you

>>89210804
Death to the eternal normalfag

>>89206191
Put me in the screen cap Kouhai

>>89206191
I'm tossing a (You) your way because you helped me win a bet. Holy fucking shit, someone using "chillax" in [current year], even as a shitpost.

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>>89206191
>I'm sure Marvel would refund retailers for unsold copies

>>89205800
Don't worry, if stores don't buy enough copies Marvel will just send them a bunch of free ones so it looks like the book is selling.

>>89205800
Disney happened and it's been the worst thing that could have happened to em.

Which is better this thread or the one where the book is unclassified and /co/ bitches about spoilers?

>>89211667
When has /co/ bitched about spoilers?

God fucking damnit Perlmutter.

>Pisses off retailers by loading them with stock they can't sell through 2016 while also constantly shuffling their books and relaunching, making some stock harder to move.
>Then asks them to just order expensive unknown product

Marvel is hilarious just to watch anymore, as a business.

>>89206761
The fuck did they do in the 70s? That was when they did some of their best stuff.

Other than that, yeah, pretty much spot on.

>>89211712

Whenever they hype stuff beyond the current event, champions "spoiling" Vision is a recent example

>>89211936
>The fuck did they do in the 70s?
6th and 7th paragraphs.
http://twomorrows.com/comicbookartist/articles/16goodman.html

>>89206191
I would use a reaction image to show you how stupid you are but you don't deserve the accidental humor that might come from it. So instead, look at this blank, imageless post telling you what a fucking moron you are

>>89211910
>>Pisses off retailers by loading them with stock they can't sell through 2016
If you read the thread you would know that this is wrong and without marvel these retailers would go out of business. Or so say the anons in this thread.

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>>89206191

Member comics prices being just cents.

AKA probably none of us (me included) as image boards tend to shew young and anyone who can remember those prices are probably six feet under or on tons of meds.

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>>89211999

sounds like DC got played and good

>>89211999
>http://twomorrows.com/comicbookartist/articles/16goodman.html

Oh yeah, I remember that now. I tend to forget about that one do to the sheer volume of good decisions Marvel made during that period which counteracted their stupid and awful.

That really makes me think. Marvel has always been up to shady, stupid shit, but the quality of their stories and characters have always made people forget and forgive them. Are we finally entering a period where Marvel's new stories and characters are so bad that people are finally waking up? Perhaps this will force Marvel to stop taking for granted the fact that they're Marvel and maybe put some effort into their comics again?

Fuck no. Of course it won't. We don't live in a universe that fair. All aboard the hype train as every X-Men member is replaced with a legacy nonbinary transotherkin shoe-folk with three moms just in time for the new summer event House of Ms.

As in two Ms. Because its their second House of M. Because Marvel has no other ideas than minority legacy characters and milking events. That's the point I'm making here.

>>89212156
Not by you, Stan. By your evil uncle. But DC is winning now.

>>89212193
Marvel is still winning. Making NAD dish while screwing over retailers, normalfags are on their side and nobody can stop them from variant faggotry and 24/7 events.

>>89212104
Retailers have been pissed off with some things marvel has done.

You read that that sentence and somehow thought it was saying
>Retailers don't want to sell marvel at all

Which isn't in there in any form.

>>89212251
This is legitimately false though. Demonstrably untrue. Why would you create a universe of lies in which to live?

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>>89205800
Does Marvel just hate comics? I'm not trying to console wars but this is like the third or fourth time they're tried fuck up the industry

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>>89206522
>>NO! Fantastic Four
>>NO! X-Men
I'm ded

>>89212389
Kill the industry while Marvel is ahead so they can say Marvel died as the king of comics

>>89212458
Well their plan's failing because Marvel is no where near ahead

>>89206691
Give them a major loss in sales ,despite all that marlel is finished memes, they aren't in red numbers YET

when the editorian begins to loses money, Disney will get their shit together just like happen to Marvel Studios in AoU

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>>89212522
Just like every other harebrained idea Marvel had in the past decade

>>89208746

Immortal Iron Fist
Spider-Man 2099 (the og run)
Nextwave

>>89207041
Marvel is running scared.

>>89206191
But they've also gone bankrupt twice, and crashed the entire industry once.

They may have been doing this for a long time but it's been bad experience.

>>89205800
Holy shit Marvel is FINISHED. This is literally unprecedented! How can they keep getting away with it? Good thing we have Based DC lighting the way and single-handedly saving the industry.

>>89206420
underrated

>>89206024
Shigeru really fell into depression after Tackle's death.

>>89209446
Personally I'm also a world-class lover and tiger wrestler.

>>89212127
Sauce?

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>>89206721
>> Unless we do it ourselves to gain press

Good point, anon.

WHAT NEW YORK BASED TALK SHOW DOES EVERYONE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DECLASSIFY THIS ON THE DAY BEFORE IT GOES ON SALE?

>>89206522
I had to read it twice before I got it.

>>89208746
Spider-Girl (the May-one)
X-Men Age of Apocalypse
X-Men Zero Tolerance
X-Men God Loves
Earth X
Planez Hulk
Civil War
Avengers Initiative
Thunderbolts not all but many stories.
Secret Invasion
Silver Surfer

Plenty of them

>>89213714
>civil war

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>>89213714

really?

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>>89213714
>Civil War
>Secret Invasion

>>89212104
Retailers need both Marvel and DC to do well to stay in business, so yeah it pisses them off when one or both make stupid decisions.

>>89213714
>Civil War

>>89206191
This is /v/ tier drone bait.
I left /v/ for a month because of shit like this

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>>89206191
>they got this
LIKE THEY GOT EVERYTHING ELSE UNDER CONTROL RIGHT NOW HUH, THATS WHAT YOU WANNA SAY

>>89213833
>left /v/
>came to /co/, which has been even worse than /v/ for the couple years
But why?

>>89213731
>>89213793
>>89213809
So you are dumb enough not knowing that there was a civil war 1 and now we have civil war 2.
Geez sometimes anons have the attention span and memory of a gold fish.

>>89213975
Civil War 1 was bad too anon

>>89213975
CW I and II are among the worst comic events of all time

>>89213988
it was rather good and in the entireness of the longtime story very good.
You mistake it for being bad, because that was the kickstart for this whole "hurdur we need events like that every year now" from Marlel

Until I'm heavily disappointed by it being a 200 page adventure of Squirrel Girl and Hellcat drawn by their books current artists I'll just assume it's Marvel reviving their extended universe by reintroducing Age of X with a big special edition book that jumpstarts the universe and ends with a bunch of Issue #0 books for potential ongoings.

>>89214040
Shut up, Millar.

>>89214040
No, it was genuinely bad with horrible character interactions everywhere and one of the dumbest endings of all time

>>89214073
>>89214076

it's not good but it's not as bad as it's reputation

>>89214106
Yeah it's worse