post your webcomics, or dont, whatever

here some resources:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+draw+comics

hosts: tumblr, taptastic, etc

>>89161383
a little low-effort, but okay. Glad to see the thread anyway

for the record this is thread #341
previous thread: >>89066328

Wtf is this shit

delete this

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>>89161383
so this is the post your shitty web comic made in ms paint thread?

>>89161651

Hey, at least we got some new tips & tricks.

>>89162202
I don't see why not

>>89162259
meh, i don't really make comics that much.

>>89162311
just kind of a once in a while thing, eh? you could have an insightful discush about the times when a comic helps out vs just drawing regular pictures

MODS!!

>>89162477
>just kind of a once in a while thing, eh?
yeah pretty much, i mean like a year ago, i did wanted to make this web comic whatever, posted it here on /co/ which was my biggest mistake ever and all i got was being shitted on, but i guess it was deserved cause the art and writing was shit.
in a way i kinda do have to thank them for that, since i've improved since then.

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I'm making some redesigns for the next chapter.
Here's Angel first.

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>>89163146
Here's Annabeth, the green eyes are important to the plot, yes.

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>>89163171
Here's Jack, complete with a pony tail.

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>>89163209
Here's Sarah's new outfit.

My favorite one so far.

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>>89163235
Next is SD, looking more buff with his looser shirt.

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>>89163258
And here's sora, still cute as ever, just following her big brother's footsteps with the ponytails.

>>89163146
I guess she does get her arm back, I was wondering what was with the colored arm in the animations
>>89163171
Huh. greyer than usual.
>>89163290
fucking adorable.

>>89163290
>>89163258
>>89163235
>>89163209
>>89163171
>>89163146
how's your youtube channel?

>>89163373
Oh fug me, that was an accident, but yeah, she still has one arm.

>Tfw I realize Angel has had only one arm more pages than she's had two.

As for the others, thanks!

>>89163492
Pretty good, my next two videos are going along well, it's about 20 minutes of content.

Just Another MMO has about 2 minutes done out of 8 minutes
and the first episode of Art Police is about 3 minutes out of 12 done.

2017 is gonna be a good year.

got a great idea for a comic
two videogames on a guy playing a couch

>>89164817
so it's a video game about a guy playing a couch? liked an instument?

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I've altered the way I've drawn my most recent pages and it's helped me significantly with speed but I'm sacrificing sharp lineart. The pages still look pretty good but getting the time down to three days instead of five, significantly helps production

>>89164998
Well, now I feel a little bad for her, but I'm still not the biggest fan of Quinn as a character.

>>89164998
I didn't notice any drop in quality, so you can call that a success
also this story has me GRIPPED I tell you. giving way more fucks than usual because cute bee.

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Finished page 2 here yesterday. Just started page 3 and will post a WIP of it tomorrow or so.

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Hope your all practicing like hell!

I have to relearn a few thing about value, shading, color and etc.

I wanna make this comic look good!

>Pic is not comic...

>>89164998
where can i find more pages?

>>89165965
make us proud, pips
>>89166088
http://cassiopeiaquinn.com/

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posted 4 pages for a new character, The Solitaire, today.
>Pic very related
it's the first page.

>>89166937
Flying Man?

>>89167062
The Solitaire is more of a falling man.

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eheh

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>>89167226
and here's the thrilling conclusion because i love you all

>>89168758
I'm not quite following it, but flowers in armpits are always funny

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http://www.monster-lands.com/

I did the 100th page of Monster Lands, fellas. Marcus is gonna go fight someone he has no chance against.

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>>89166937

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>>89168884
Here's a bunch character studies for Eren Lorry btw

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>>89168910
im just gonna dump one more and that's all i have.

>>89168884
oh man, it's been a while so I forget, but he's the inveterate liar, right? the one that took all the credit.. this should be good

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>>89168965
maybe it's not too good. I'm a very poor artist but I've been working on getting better. I'd to be able to draw some shit that I could write the fuck out of.

>>89168982
Yeah he's a fraud

>>89168999
At least it's clear you're pouring yourself into it. That's admirable. You'll get better as you practice for sure.

>>89165866
>NORMIEEEEEEES

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https://tapastic.com/series/Village-Problems

and a picture if you don't want to click link

>>89169101
NORMIES OUT

>>89169184
I hope you haven't already emblazoned it across a lot of things, you've misspelled the main character's name. it's Cobalt.

this is neat though. very cute, I like it. I feel like most panels though the edge of her face shouldnt be just a simple round line, it'd look nicer with some indentations here and there. see how nice the profile-view panel looks?

>>89169254
>what if it's not supposed to be like the color?
>open comic
>first line, "Just like the color"
you fucked up village problems dude

>>89169312
oh I just noticed this is that same comic that's been posted in here before.. I don't get it, but I do like it. now that it seems to have started up proper, I'm bookmarking it. I wanna see where this goes.

>>89169034
I appreciate that. Can only get better by doing it I suppose. But, you know, trying improve each time.

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I've got a webcomic I'm working on. It's on hold until I can get another tablet. Here's the... villian? I guess? I need to workshop the design a bit.

>>89169213
Sure...

>>89169593
Damn, love your coloring.

>>89169593
poor tumor-headed bare-thighed human-footed orangutan. that's a tough break. also a cape that seems to be made of hair, very interesting. but the oddest thing is what appears to be a very light gait. like he doesn't weigh much at all.

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>>89165866
Ha! That reminds me of this some anon made.

>>89168913
She's cute.

>>89169254
>>89169312
Thanks for the feedback, i need all the criticism i can get.

>>89169593
>>89169648
>>89169663
Latest page I've done before tablet pooped out.
Question, anybody know good websites/ options for hosting a webcomic? My goal is to start uploading by the time I'm done with page 50.

>>89169909
this is why we usually have the sticky. no matter,
you can do the bullshit like tumblr or tapastic or whatever, and have a lot less control, but apparently some kind of automatic promotion?
or you can go to a simple webcomic site that helps you with a lot of the work, like drunkduck, comicgenesis, comicfury, and still have full control over how your site looks

or you can do everything totally manually and buy your own site.. the upside there is you can start selling adspace. but it's best to save that til you're already hot shit

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>>89169909
Forgot the image, forgive me I'm tipsy.

>>89169964
you're amazing with action and motion, though I have to admit this perplexes me a bit. Is that a huge tube of water being forced upward? seems like it wouldn't be quite that... long.

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>>89168804
yea it's a little like that on purpose i guess
at some point i'll try to do a real one

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Style question: large eyes or proportional eyes? Which is more appealing to a general audience?

The proportional eyes I draw are more expressive, but the large cartoonish ones are more charming. To frame the question, it's for a serious comic.

>>89171005
large and proportional eyes that are expressive and charming.

>>89171005
I always find myself spending more time looking at big eyes, reading what's there and just enjoying the way they look.

>>89170419
Huge splash. Unnaturally large splash. Don't want to give too much away.

My comic is furry cub porn. So I probably shouldn't post it.

>>89171005
Both can work, both can appeal to a general audience but in different ways. Sillier and cutesier stories often benefit from big ol' puppy dog eyes on every character, while more serious and mature series may be better received if they had a more realistic art style. This is not to say you can't write a serious story where the characters have big eyes, but keep in mind you may be hitting the anime/catoon fan audience more than the general public. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, though, as more anime/cartoon fans read webcomics than average Joes, so make of it what you will.

>>89171415
well okay, as long as it's meant to look unnatural. i'm looking forward to it
>>89171704
you can post a link. As long as it's cute I'll check it out. like Aogami kinda cute, not like, fuckin weird Cream and Tails shit.

>>89163373
Kill yourself, ColdFusion.

these threads are a mistake

What do you guys think of a setting in a post apocalyptic land where people have elemental powers and various other abilities .Is it shit

>>89174079
Sounds generic and unfocused. Elemental powers and "various" other abilities?

>>89174094

By elemental powers i mean shit like avatar elements and by various abilities i mean the usual super powers, super speed,strength,durability,flight and some oddities like shapeshifting,sound blasts and teleportation.

>>89174188
Sounds like there is far too much going on.

>>89174079
holy fuck this is generic. don't write anything for another few years

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Writing scripts n' shit. Haven't started drawing a new chapter yet.

>>89174219

Should probably just narrow it down to a good 5 or 6 powers, like fire,iron,lightning,ice,air and earth

>>89174433
Definitely need to consider the internal logic of the powers and why the exist as well.

>>89174433
Are you 12?

i don't want to make a new thread about this, so i'll ask here
does anyone have a screencap of that one thread where someone was talking about their webcomic idea, and it featured a guy and his pet cat which had huge tits for some reason
anyone know what i'm talking about?

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superhardcorecomic.tumblr.com
I can only draw this when im sleep deprived, I also can only remember the plot when sleep deprived

>>89175534
delete this

why do people keep bullying others in these threads?

>Want to work more on my comic
>Can't work on my comic without finishing the entire plot for the first chapter
>Have writers block, but not art block
What do?

>>89176735
Make character sheets.

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>>89176739
I've been doing that nonstop recently, even for my smaller less important characters. I've even fully rendered and colored every single character that would show up anywhere in this chapter so I would have an example of how to draw them when I get to them.
I've done so much art stuff for my comic that isn't the comic itself that it's starting to bother me.

>>89176735
Honestly just draw some action sequences or if its not action based just scenes. Maybe you'll incorporate them or maybe they'll just be practice.

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>tfw you start drawing the main cast of your comic
>tfw in the middle of it you realize you're a victim of animu sameface syndrome
>tfw every face you draw trying to break from the sameface is ugly

Why do so many amateur writers try to structure their stories like video games?

Stuff like elemental abilities neatly divided into balanced subsections, "boss fights", making the hero a self-insert, etc.

>>89168913
That face is very manly

I've been working on a webcomic idea for the past few weeks, and I have the main 5 character's basics pretty solid and the basic plot of the story, but I'm not sure how to progress from where I am. General tips?

>>89178201
Focus on one or two characters and decide on what you want to express with them. Do you want to tell a parable? Are you doing a character study? Maybe you have something you want to say.

More than characters or setting or style, having a strong idea about what you want to say is key.

>>89177242
Unless it's insanely bad, 99% of readers do not care about samefags.
It's incredibly common and you'll usually only hear artist bring it up.

>>89177663
It's less video game structure and more battle shounen structure.

>>89178304
Point still stands: why the obsession with such segmented, inorganic storytelling?

>>89178751
Chances are it's all they know.
Also the writing style is very easy to grip.

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>>89175610
delete THIS, fucker

Any guides/tips on how to write 'old timey' post-civil war americans(a few years after the war) and minorities(past or modern) without getting put through a witchhunt?
Specifically native americans but I'm down for reading up on anything really even for future references.

I've been around and lived with hardcore native americans and a muslim family straight up from egypt but I don't know any anymore so I can't just ask them. The setting I have in mind does include monsters/cryptids that typically manifest or have different appearances to a person depending on their beliefs. Monsters from eldritch abominations to the fur-baring trout. Kinda like an old west silent hill.
Since its a few years after the Civil War and would like to keep things fairly accurate to an extent I really can't just skip over it completely.

I'll probably ask /his/ later as well.

>>89179138
Even if you knew any minorities, they wouldn't be able to tell you how their people lived at that time, just like white people wouldn't know anything about the lives of their great great great grandparents. The only way is for you to do a lot of research, and be very mindful of history revisionists.
Also, there's no way to be accurate and not piss off the pc crowd, if they want to be angry about your story they will find a way, be if for the "disrespectful" way you handle writing "insert opressed minorities here", or how your story doesn't have any strong female character, maybe the way your characters speak to female characters.
My point is, do your research, write what you want to write and don't cave in if they come for you.

>>89179411
Oh, I knew that. For the mention of the families I meant that as I had some modern experience with them, and would be down for tips/guides on writing them in present times for future references of other works on top of the other era.
I think I've pretty liberal with adding minorities and strong woman who don't need no man in my art without being conscious about it and haven't gotten any blacklash from it in the 15 years I've uploaded to the internet. I haven't put much up in the past couple years and I'm not very up to date with internet politics. I think you're right, and there's always a chance for blacklash so I guess I'm just trying to not committing the worst racial sins to lessen the potential shitstorms.

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It's... All over the place, and mediocre. Have fun.

>>89177663
I'm not sure I know what you're talking about? Care to elaborate?

Maybe I just don't read enough webcomics.

>>89177663

this >>89178771
There's no secret to it, they write what they consume, shallow manga plots and characters, no themes, hamfisted basic morals like the power of love.

>>89174079
it depends.

>>89177663
I like video games. if I could make one instead of a comic, I would. it would be largely the same.

>>89180325
wanna give us some more information?

>>89179836
oh I've seen some of this before. Wasn't aware it was an ongoing comic. Worth a read I think. Art weirdly reminds me of Overfiend

>>89180026
I honestly prefer a simple story with basic morals where you can tell the artist is enjoying himself and doesn't pretend his writing is anything more than entertainment, as opposed to amateur writers thinking they have some deep message to convey. That shit is always just cringy as fuck.

>>89180801
I'm glad that you're interested,the story is based on old warrior song,from my country.I will post it here,when I finish the first volume,or a link to it.The whole thing is going to be extremely violent kung fu fighting,with a touch of horror,love story.Hope that this makes sense,I don't want to reveal too much.

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>>89180801
Sorry for double reply,but here is a line art that represent the whole comic a lot better than the page that I posted.

>>89181281
>>89181714
badass!

>>89181119
Whether it's Dragonball Z or Bleach, it doesn't matter, writers should be better than that. You are allowed to have bad taste anyway, we are not arguing people can't enjoy video game comics, Anon was confused as to why it's so common.

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>>89181922
Thanks m8

>>89181975
That's the thing though, Dragonball has excellent story telling for what it wants to be. If you're a webcomic creator, chances are, you are not even remotely close to Toriyama's level of story telling, yet you already firmly believe you can look down on him.
I think people like you don't even understand what good story telling is, they just have these ideas of what is considered cool and hip and what is considered mainstream and stupid and that's how they make up their mind. A simple heroe's journey told in a competent manner is vastly superior storytelling than any wannabe deep and convoluted drivel amateurs tend to create when they think they are above any of the proven tropes and archetypes.

>>89182304
I think the motivation of "(things I like) are missing (aspect I desire), I want to make something similar but put that in!" is a fine, fine motivation. It drives a lot of us.

>>89180948
Sometimes I fall off the path for a short while, and draw random nonsense, but I haven't in awhile.

>>89182304
You missed the point of my examples, Dragonball Z is "a writer just enjoying himself", Bleach is the "writer thinking he has some deep message to convey". And it doesn't matter, they are both bad.

Dragonball was pretty good, it's nothing special, it gets dangerously close to being one of the "video game" manga, but it manages to be above that by building fun stories with charming characters on top of those elements.
In any case, just because I can't write something on that level, doesn't mean I can't realize its flaws or be able to criticize it.

The rest of what you said are just stupid assumptions about me that have nothing to do with what I said.

>>89182304
Most of the "Z" part is legit trash, man.

>>89183659
>Nothing special
His writing, sure, but his sense for pacing is impeccable, his compositions and panel work are spectacular, he's incredible at designing machines and monsters, and he's got a unique style.

Toriyama's not a good writer, but he's a wonderful artist and director. As long as you're not trying to copy him, he's a great regerence for action and pacing.

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http://abnor.com.br/?lang=en
newnewnewnewn

>>89183961
>Dragonball
>pacing
kek

>>89183961
No? That Goku black arc which literally just happened ended abruptly, and was full of ridiculous plot fuckery.

>>89184058
>>89184192
>Talk about Akira Toriyama as a comic artist being good at pacing.
>"lol but da dargonball anime is slow :^)"

I'm not sure why I expected better from you, /co/, but I did.

>>89184285
I can tell from your understanding that your own comic is pretty good. Idiots are quick to dismiss DB/DBZ because of popular opinions and memes (lol just guys yelling at each other) without understanding what made it so big in the first place. It takes someone who seriously looks at comics to see how revolutionary his paneling/action scenes were. If Tezuka is the father of manga, Toriyama is the father of action manga. His techniques and influence are seen in some of the most successful manga today (one piece, jojo, naruto).

>>89185003
pretty sure jojo inspired dragonball, not the other way around

>>89185098
Nah, Dragonball started before Jojo (84 vs 87)

Speaking of pacing can anyone recommend current well paced webcomics? Or any guides/tips to write a story at a good pace

>>89184285
Why do your work for you?

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_inconsistencies

>>89184048
>seahorse
you madman
>eats people
it's important to remember the whole story. silly old man
i love this comic so much

>>89175519
Yeah, the mad scientist who had the cat with huge tats (not furry, just a regular old house cat with huge tits inexplicably slapped on) and went on some sort of quest into the afterlife to get his cat waifu back after it died, right?

No screencap though. Sorry.

>>89180753
Just learn RPG Maker/Game Maker and get decent at sprite art.

>>89184192
Nothing made after the 90s is good even if it's made by the classic creators, I thought that went without saying.

>>89185609
There's a few just on the tip of my tongue, I guess SITM comes to mind. There was another one recently but I've forgotten.. also Space Pulp, Never Mind the Gap, uh..

basically anything that keeps you wanting more with every page.. that's good pacing.

>>89186619
that's the game equivalent of making a spritecomic

>>89186778
I would hardly call wanting more the definition of good pacing
I want more paranatural but id rather get kicked in the nut than say it has good pacing

>>89186553
Never met a good seahorse in my life. On a scale of 1 to 10, how obvious was it that the kraken was a bad guy?

>>89187284
always leave them wanting more, man. gets them clicking that next-button. keeps em hungry. puts you on their menu.

>>89187362
like, zero. I thought the whole thing was just how they had mistreated the kraken because they were dicks, and now they were going to pay because it turned out it served a purpose. I fell for it!
Then again I could have sworn we already saw the kraken in a flashback or a carving or something and it looked specifically like something else. I know because anytime it's not a squid I'm like 'pfff should be a squid'

>>89184048
> the seahorse
> Grandpa continuing to defend his forgetting

Your work is so charming, I love this

>>89185609
I only have a small bit of experience, but I recommend just having the story or section of the chapter planned and outlined well first.

Just an example, if you upload once a week, thumbnail the month's comics. Look for potential rises and falls in the action and thumbnail the pages side-by-side so you can visualize which pages will be more visually interesting, which will help you "forecast" the pacing that month.

If it's an exposition page, I try to at least make it prettier so that the reader didn't come for just words.

>>89187566
Ok so I guess the problem I'm having is, When making thumbnails based on my script, I'm trying to set the pacing - how do I set each page based on the ups and downs of the story

Also a different question, how do I add filler or small talk to spread the pacing? I don't want the characters to just sit around not doing much

Thanks anon

>>89188199
It's hard to give instructions on how to write smalltalk. It has to just flow naturally. In my case, usually too much when it's not needed

>>89188199
Pacing comes from time and buildup built upon a few pages. Something I see pretty often is to slow down the dialogue right before the next page where the "impact" or revelation occurs.

In regards to your second question, dialogue scenes are a golden opportunity to do close-ups, facial expressions, body language, and shot composition. The reader might appreciate the break from high energy scenes by getting to see your characters' faces.

>>89188199
In addition, I thought this guy came up with a few good examples of how to make a page look faster or slower

http://www.makingcomics.com/2014/03/17/flow-page-part-1/

>>89163146
I'm sorry man but the art style is a fucking eyesore

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>>89178201
Thank you very very much!! That is really good advice and is starting to get me back on track. Thank you.

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Finished this page!
Practuically took me all day!

There were a few distractions, but took a few more hours than usual.

>>89189161
Well, I am constantly changing and improving, so maybe someday soon.

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>>89189919
Oops wrong page.

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>>89187416
You can see his "tentacle" on the last two pages, the writer was certain the kraken would be a giant pink seahorse years before he even knew how the uiara's story would be like. Have a doodle I made while killing time in college

>>89187566
Thanks man!

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>tfw you try to draw something outside of your comfort zone but it's so shitty you scrap the whole thing

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Desperately trying to get people to look at my stuff while I work on a script for a new comic.

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After 104 comic pages, an animation, and $6700 in art fees, Legend of the Hare has finally concluded

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>>89190414

Eh, might as well post a couple of pages and keep the thread moving

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>>89190511

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>>89190548

Hubris is the downfall of any explorer

>>89190421
>$6700 in art fees
you paid someone to draw this hwole thing?

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>>89190595

It's going fine. Going to come out of hiatus on the 6th. Had to take a break for awhile because of other projects. I felt 120 pages and 4 chapters was a good place to pause. I just wish I could figure out the promotional side of things.

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>>89190629

And that's all you get

>>89190606

Not the whole thing, Drowemos (of Blade Bunny and Exiern) was funding the comic for the first 70 pages or so.

Crafting a villain for my story. I kinda wanna make two though, one whose kind of an idiot and does more good than evil, and one who is the melodramatic artist type. not sure though.

>>89190227
haha, so wew ere faked out by the tentacle being a seahorse tail. brill.

>>89190327
that's how you get good son, keep going, practice more.

>>89190414
oh hey I remember you!
>>89190421
>Art fees
Oh yeah I forgot. That explains why it had to end. Nice round number though. you could read two a week for a year

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>>89190825

Yep, I'm still going at it. Hopefully I'm getting something right...

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I'm exhausted, but I feel bad for taking breaks, since that time could be spent towards making comics

>>89191351

That's some good panel flow you've got going on.

>>89190421
Well, gotta give kudos to anyone on this thread for actually finishing something.
Congrats anon.

The most painful part of drawing a character with exaggerated proportions is people are gonna flame me for "bad anatomy"

>>89190421
That's really impressive, congratulations on finishing. The way the final page echoes the beginning is really satisfying.

>>89190414
Your page flow and use of black and white space is very well plotted and intentional-looking. Started following along, looking forward to what else you're doing.

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>>89192152

Thanks Anon! The full story can be read in the latest issue of Premier Comics (https://premierpulp.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/premier-comics-winter-2016/) or I've been posting the story to my Tumblr (http://oitscomic.tumblr.com/)

>>89191603
People are going to flame you no matter what you do. Welcome to being creative on the internet.

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>>89192572
Neat! Thanks for the links

>>89191351
Do you sketch out your page directly on the screen with a tablet and then do the line art? The line weights are great here.

bumping with a contribution also, a couple of months in now.

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I'm a fag for background gradient changes

>>89194220
they're kind of neat

>>89194220
It would look nicer if you didn't have those white bits around your lineart. Do you scan your lineart in and fillbucket it?

>>89195903
yeah

>>89195964
There's a few ways around that. The most preferred one is to color _under_ your lines using different layer modes.
me, I prefer aliasing. You can select the whole magilla and use 'threshold' to turn it all black and white. But that might not look very good on your lines, at least not before you copy them a few times.

>>89195964
Your art program likely has a "multiply" setting for layers. Put the scan of your lineart on a layer set to multiply and color beneath the lineart later. this will eliminate the white spots, but allow the black linear to remain.
Another way is to take your lineart layer and "convert luminesence to transparency." This will turn all of the white spots on the scan of your lineart completely transparent, and leave your lineart anti-aliased. Again, you will be able to color your lineart on the layer below after doing this.

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Finished the lineart for the first page of chapter two. Took me forever, but I'm pretty satisfied with it.

Ok, I got a question for everyone: Do you have a preference for the size of a webcomic page or the number of panels per update?

If a comic drawn to the format of a printed comicbook page was published weekly, would you prefer a single, full page per week? Or two updates with 3-5 panels (or a big splash panel) each?

>>89196766
Well keep in mind that the number/size of panels per page can affect pacing. The more panels/events per page, the faster the comic feels. The fewer panels/events, the slower the pacing feels.

>>89196766
it depends completely on what kind of comic it is
i'll tell you that comics that try to use the same basic format and pacing as traditional published comics, that is 20 pages or so to tell a short story in 8.5x11ish pages, I hate it when any of those pages have under 3 panels, or if the majority of them have under 5

>>89196880
>>89196931

Yes, completely agree on all of those points.

But all things being equal, would you prefer to read say 8 panels in a single update per week, or two updates with 4 panels each? Or do you not have any preference as long as the flow of the page was not hindered by splitting it?

>>89197189
To be honest I barely care how many panels I'm reading at all if the content is interesting. You're thinking critically about pacing and the optimal ways to do so, which is good, but it's better not to worry about it so much that it interrupts your flow.

In short if your reader enjoys what they see they won't care about the amount of panels.

>>89197189
I would say... don't interrupt an 8-panel chunk just to update more often. if it ends in a nonsensical spot, and now the 'fifth' panel follows it up directly and you've already forgotten what it follows from, then you're doin' it wrong

>>89197356
>>89197310
Fair points once again. I had originally planned to do everything in 10.5"x7" pages, and that hasn't changed, but as I got a better feel for layouts and got into meatier parts of the script, I noticed that I had increased panel density quite a bit over the early pages (which I generally like) and that they also frequently divided neatly into upper and lower halves. Which is why I started toying with the idea of making it two updates instead of one.

I do like how many of these half pages look, because it means the whole image can fit on screen without needing to zoom in for full detail. And it lends itself well to emphasizing the art in individual panels. But, since the overall layout is still one page, and I write the script to have natural breaks between pages, it does certainly run the risk of not being worthwhile in all cases.

>>89197540
Realized I worded that ambiguously; I meant I generally prefer the look of the newer, denser pages, as half a page is still plenty of room for a splash when extra impact is desired.

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Watermelons. Earthmelons. Firemelons. Airmelons.

Long ago, the four melons grew together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Firemelons went on sale. Only the gardener, master of all four cultivars, could stop them. But when the world needed him most, he retired.

—–

Firemelons are a common food among the Miotal,creatures made of rock that live in water and eat fire. Scientists who try to categorize all lifeforms into one element find the Miotal incredibly frustrating, and classify them as “probably Air somehow, the bastards”. Miotal are often found near the raft villages of the Sceitimini (also known as Water Fairies), who help them socialize with the more civilized races in exchange for manual labor or guidance through the ocean. Water Fairies tend to by primarily Earth or Air-associated, despite living on the ocean and having Water in their names, because everything has to be confusing now.

>>89198056
fufufufu. This is why I love fantasy comics. also your blurbs
By the way, you should link this or at least say 'saffron and sage' so people know what it is

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>tfw your comic received a greenlight from a major television network and things are finally starting to look up for you but then you wake up

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Finished another page for the salt mines. Shying away from the really complex imagery so I can finish a page a day.

>>89198317
Pretty interesting so far, your art looks pretty good even with the time crunch. Why are you aiming to do a page a day, though?

>>89198267
>You wake up and haven't even started working on your comic

>>89166401
just started reading this, loving the references so far. There is nowhere near enough love for Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors in the world.

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>>89198762
I'm tired of battling my perfectionism and just want to draw shit for once.

>>89199525
NGMI

>>89179836
it took me a while to realize this was multiple comics sharing a site. Wanna give more details on that? It's kinda interesting and very weird binging it

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Minor progress

>>89191381
Thanks!

>>89193411
I used to do that, but lately I've been planning more complicated panel layouts on a separate paper. I'd sketch multiple versions of the same page and pick the best one.

>>89161383
>this thread stays up but my threads get deleted
fucking why

>>89200949
they should all be deleted

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>>89199846
Nice try, /ic/, but you can't trick me into doing any more Loomis.

>>89164998
>I'm a bad kid

No, you're a naughty girl, and every naughty girl can be cured by a good spanking.

>>89192572
Your silhouettes and color choices make the thumbnail look like it's a Dewd drawing. I'm sorry.

>>89186278
...I'm sorry, what do plotholes have to do with pacing and action?

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How sinful is it to make 3D renders of reoccurring props/vehicles/environments to draw over and keep dimensions consistent?

I hear it criticized often when sci-fi comics/cartoons use CGI as an aid but I'd think it would be excusable for someone making a comic completely on their own. Pic related.

>>89203468
It's actually one of the most sensible things you could do. Herge had a model made of the rocket in "Destination Moon" which he used for reference, and I've heard of artists who assemble model kits of tanks and planes for them to refer to.

Assembling 3D objects and environments in programs like Google Sketchup is just another tool for artists to use, particularly when it's something that's going to be re-used a lot.

>>89192572
There is something weird about the way you draw breasts.
some of the hand positions in this and in the comic pages you posted are a bit strange too

>>89203468
the general issue with cgi and in cartoons/anime is that the cgi is almost always very obviously and jarring as it doesnt fit with the art style.
As long as it still looks like it fits in your style, you are fine

>>89203468
Fuck people who say using models or 3D renders are an "easy mode" for artists. People have been using references since the dawn of art itself, and you'll only get better the more you use them because your eye and brain learn how those three dimensions objects look from multiple angles over time.

>>89203468
Everyone who reads your comic will know you're a low-effort hack who traces over 3d models.

>>89204070
>>89204025
>>89203725
I'll probably just use very simple models to get the general angles and proportions right but will still draw a lot of it without the help of the model just so it blends in with the rest. Thanks for the advice!

>>89166937
Ow the edge.

>>89204385
What does this even mean? This is such a pathetic overused buzzword.

>>89204537
>What does this even mean? This is such a pathetic overused buzzword.
Newfag.

>>89204544
Stop shitposting.

>>89204616
Nice pathetic overused buzzword.

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mine

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Should I use color in my webcomic? black and white seems too boring but on the other hand my coloring is shit, although I suppose coloring the comic would make for some damn good practice

>>89205296
in that second panel the sword placement is off.
you can see the beginnings of his palm and so the hilt should be much higher with less of an upward angle

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>>89205426
>>89205296
Christ, you're right. thanks for the catch, I tried fixing it, still not happy with it, but its just a practice panel so i'll just have to remember to do it better next time

I also realized I cropped it wrong.

>>89189161
>>89188846
Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it

>>89205996
np. I think you fixed it pretty well.
I like the art, and i think the coloring is pretty good on the right side except for panel one. a little too much area that is full orange. I do prefer the partial coloring in the rest of the panels over the full panel coloring

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I draw these when i feel smart enough. Too bad that only happens like 4 times a year.

http://romualdomiyamoto.tumblr.com/

>>89205075
You are making completely effortless posts with nothing of substance. You are spewing shit on to your keyboard and posting it. You sound so butthurt.

>>89202546
:(

>>89206196
>butthurt
Nice buzzword.

>>89206111

You are a interesting man.

>>89203468
People have been doing this since even before CGI. they made a model of cruella devil's car, filmed it moving around, and rotoscoped those drawings. what else can you do?

>>89205191
i love slavic artists. so crazy

>>89205191
transl. pls?

>>89206111
cute earth is cute

>>89202546
That's high quality bullying my man. Top fucking notch holy shit.

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>>89206893
>>89207014

T-thanks for the (you)s. I'm currently shitting out series of drawings about memories from when i was in pre-school. Too bad those are in spanish.

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Friends told me to post here.

Just finished a new chapter.

http://www.32kickup.com/

>>89207318
oh man, there's some solid feels in here. I love stream of conciousness
>>89207349
speckly!

>>89204070
It's TRACING that's the problem not using reference. No one gets good without reference.

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>>89207349

Page from previous chapter.

hate furries

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>>89207513
Have more of it if you understand it at all.

>>89207349
>>89207657
Man your stuff is absolutely pro.

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Hi /co/, I'm going to make a web comic, it's my first time making a webcomic, but do not fear for I will stay committed all the way through and my artistic skills are at least above average. (I know it's not much to brag about)


I understand that reading this without seeing any material is somewhat silly but i don't want to show anything until I have a reasonable pitch made and at least 60-80% of the story written out. I'm in college right now and I thought that this would be great for improving my skills in both storytelling and art.

Like I said before I don't want go give shitty first impression to readers and that's why I'll be starting chapter one in mid to late 2017.

If all goes well I can start producing weekly content in June.

Here is a vague plot summary:

>Due to unfortunate circumstances several people are transported to a strange and and surreal world where they must find their missing friend and return home. However they soon get caught up in local politics and eventually uncover a secret plot of complete and utter destruction of all sentient life as we know it.

I'm writing this with someone who is a much better writer than I am so I have secondary input. ( hoping two heads really are better than one)

I'll be making a prologue to my story and will post it soon.

Sorry for being this vague, I assure it's not just a shit post, I'm just trying not to give things away before I'm sure that I can deliver on them.

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>>89207349
Kinda wish I could post multiple images at once, but ah well.

From an even earlier chapter.

The comic is currently at 58 pages.

http://www.32kickup.com/

>>89207818
Generic as fuck plot, literally been done thousands of times before

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>>89207943

True but the devil is in the details, and some of the best comics/movies use generic plots.

But you have no reason to believe my content is good, I understand, I simply as you to not be overly cynical.

I may yet prove myself to /co/.

Plus while the plot is generic I assure you the setting is NOT, it will have certain cliches but it's going to have an original spin on them.

Ether way until anyone sees something they won't be able to truthfully decide on the quality of the work.

>>89207818

1. Your summary has no interesting information. It just recounts the broadest cliches that everyone's seen a million times.

Nothing wrong with the simple plot in itself, but there's literally nothing to go on.

There needs to be more information than what you gave us. Who are the people we're following? What's unique about the alternate world?

2. I don't recommend releasing a story-driven product page-by-page on a weekly basis, unless you're 100% sure you can competently keep the audience interested with those single pages at a time. It requires more work on your part to ensure that an adequate amount of information is given with each release, as well as avoiding poor pacing that can occur. It's not impossible, but it's a difficult thing most webcomics fail at doing.

>>89207886
I just read through it.
The style isn't really my type but it has its own charm. The art itself and your handle on action and perspective is good
I like the story

>>89208105
So why the fuck did you post faggot

>>89208527
because this thread asked him to post his webcomic
he said multiple times he understands it's not very impressive yet, and that the summary is just vague for now. how much more deferential does someone need to be to not get shit from you?

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>>89208208

I understand, I wish I had more info to give but I simply can't. My partner wants to release any and all information about this web comic AFTER the prologue goes up.

I guess I could say some more stuff...

it's set in a surreal fantasy world that has technology equivalent to 1940ts, there will be 3 main characters.

A boy accused of killing his best friends, the father of said friend, who seeks revenge for his daughters death and a man who wants nothing more than to escape his monotonous life and experience the world the same way early explorers did.

The story will shift perspectives chapter by chapter.

I can probably give out more information but it would be against my partners decision.

>>89208560
>because this thread asked him to post his webcomic

Except he didn't post his webcomic, so eat shit

>>89208527

To gain more motivation, and, for fun of course.

>>89208605
>no text allowed
>pictures only
>final destination

>>89208605

I mean, I'm not going to post unfinished sketches, I think that it's better to post nothing than post garbage that you KNOW isn't finished and won't attract readers.

Plus teasing an audience is a great way of building hype, even if the hype is virtually non-existent, it's just a smart move for an individual who wants his story to be heard.

I mean you could say otherwise but it would be in a very strong sense "subjective".

>>89207818
Boy this sounds very similar to the way I would word my webcomic project if I actually did do it.
It even got the vague as fuck generic plot.
But dude seriously you have to disclose more.

>>89208591

It's already more interesting with the new info.

Opinion: Your partner sounds like one of those "I must protect my brilliant ideas lest they get stolen" kinds of people. And those kind of people need to grow up; ideas are a dime in a dozen and nothing is original. Execution is what matters. I personally don't expect a writer at that stage to be good at writing.

>>89208591
Upes. Didn't update the page.
"a boy accused of killing his best friend" sounds a bit far fetched.

>>89208758
Dude, if you want to discuss your writing you have to commit to...you know, actual writing. Coming up with themes and ideas and grappling with how to best convey them.

Even if you're a terrible artist you can discuss things like panel composition, line weight, color theory, page flow, dynamic versus static poses and when to use either, caricature and level of abstraction, etc. What you're doing right now is essentially regurgitating the cliffnotes of things you've seen before and then saying "no i guys i swear itll be different but i refuse to explain."

You're not helping us or yourself. You're just begging for attention.

>>89208758

You can't hype anything if no one has expectations outside of it coming from a random person on the internet. So the expectation is automatically low unless there's some kind of evidence that you can make a good product worth hyping.

>>89208838

It's not really about being afraid of theft, it's more about not misleading an audience.

One goal we both have is to tell a good and logically written story without plot holes or flat characters.

At the moment we don't have much to show, most of it is on paper, but we take notes, we brain-storm, the base of the story has already been though out but it's not yet complete.

We have the most crucial things done though, the end is pretty good right now (even though it's a little rough around the edges) and I think that while the prologue will be rough and short it will serve its purpose and hopefully make people curious.

>>89208841

Really? Because that's the point.

>>89209033
Is it now?

>>89209014
>At the moment we don't have much to show

Then you're literally wasting everyone's time here. That's a pretty bad first impression.

>>89208877

But that's why I'm here, I'll simply put out something to let people know to look forward to seeing something new.(on a thread made exactly for that)

I never claimed it to be different, I simply said I'm trying my best to make the world unique.

>>89208429
Thank you for the compliment, as well as the honest note about the style not being to your tastes.

>>89208909

Low expectations are good, that way it will be a pleasant surprise If this story is entertaining.

>>89208758
everyone posts unfinished sketches, man.
teasing and building hype is good and all but you've gotta have either a solid hook or some art, or both.

>>89209058

Yes. It's is the point.

>>89209094

You don't have to read my posts, or reply to them, the only person here wasting your time is you.

>>89209191

Read my first post, the hook is in production.

>>89192572
Aren't you that same guy that everyone told to "kill your darlings" and try drawing something else than the chunky chick and the other guy

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Question for creators of long-running stories. How much character and worldbuilding do you feel needs to be established before moving into your inciting action?

I feel that there's a risk that you can dawdle for too long before substantial stuff actually happens, or alternatively you can end up throwing your characters into the plot and the audience doesn't give a shit due to lack of context.

Thoughts?

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I don't have munch to contribute but here's a bunch of doodles of beetle-themed villain characters from a webcomic that I didn't even begin to make.

>>89209426

Very good post, sadly I can't say much on the topic.

My advice is to add just enough world building, just enough to understand what going on but not enough to become boring.

>>89209426
Study 3-act structure (yes, it applies to long running stories too)
You're talking about act 1, which should be for priming the reader on what's coming in act 2. Keyword: priming. Drop enough hints for the viewer to not be completely blindsided. But don't info bomb them. They don't need every single detail about the new "world" you're introducing before you introduce it.

>>89209510

Heehee, you can never go wrong with beetles.

So! What's their deal? What makes them villains?

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>tfw you want to post your progress but it's not finished yet and you're afraid that people will get the wrong idea of what you're trying to do so you end up not posting anything

>>89210185
Good otherwise you'll end up like this new super mysterious speshul story donut steel fag

>>89209705
What if there's too little established and the audience doesn't care about the plot as a result?

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>>89210009
Well they are thieves who want to steal an artifact from the main characters which is crucial to their quest (underdeveloped part of the story). The large one's name is Aaov and he is the bulk of the group, speaks in a low-pitch voice. He is usually quiet and not very aggressive. The small stag beetle doesn't have a name yet, his personality is that he is very aggressive and is easily angered, he can fight by charging while flying or using his mandibles. There here is also a third one which i did not fully draw yet (basically looks like a flower beetle but with a wasp-like head, long moth-like antennae, and swamp green coloring) he is the leader of the group with no current particular character traits (and no name either). All three get along fairly well with each other.

Also here's a doodle I mate a while back of one of the main characters. (with no name either. I'm quite bad at names).

>>89199525
I'm tired of battling my perfectionism and just want to draw shit for once.
Please tell me your wisdom, im stuck on redrawing my first page

>>89210947
loomis

>>89211462
The what now?

>>89211516
hopeless

>>89211836
You're not making any sense.
Please don't PUI.

Thinking of it now i should probably have posted my doodles in the OC thread.
Oh well.

>>89210947
Keep working at it. It'll take time and study, but if you put in the work, you can get somewhere.

>>89206992
A cat figure emerges from shadows, a fat guy in glasses threatenes figure with a gun, then pulls gun from table, then finds himself in a nightmare, wakes up, convincing himself everything is OK and he is going home, where his gf waits for him in safety.

I'm gonna share a slightly different project

I recently started an essay blog where I write about comics: https://gutter-space.com/2017/01/16/batman-and-catwoman-run-out-of-time-in-batman-14/

My first essay up (linked above) isn't perfect but I think it's a decent starting point. It helped me work through some interesting ideas, but it got a bit convoluted somewhere along the way. I'm already thinking about how to improve and looking to the next one.

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>>89203942

I've noticed that myself, actually. I'm not sure how I can fix it though at this point, I feel like my problem might just be a lack of life studies and/or not enough drawing outside the comic...

>>89209288

I think there was one or two guys that told me that. I've kind of half taken their advice in so far as I heavily reworked the plot of what I was working on which I do feel ended up making for a stronger end result. I mean I definitely see the point they're making to me but working with these two characters is just fun for me at this point and I worry that forcing myself to abandon them will take the fun out of comicking. Am I stunting my creative development by doing so? That's kind of hard to say.

>>89212591
your boobies have top-crease in addition to bottom, as if gravity is pressuring them on both sides. No big deal, really plump girls look like that sometimes

>>89212642

Still, I feel like I'm applying this to women regardless of bodyshape, though having the exact thing I'm doing pointed out helps me zero in on what I need to work on

>>89211516
>What's Google
Look up Loomis, you dope.

>>89212691
yep.
the first time you draw a nice smooth line from collarbone to nipple, you'll feel the satisfaction. it's a really neat anatomical feature.. this big broad chest real estate, and then below it, the lovely round bits

>>89192572
Every single one of your characters is annoying just to look at. Except maybe the fish.

They all look like amalgams of popular characters without any of the originality or coordination that made them work. Just...take a character or two aside, mull over how you want your audience to react to them, and tinker with it for a while.

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Middle lands (formally, cowboys and airships)
Pg.10

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>>89212939
Iunno I like the bug and the squid lady..

>>89212939

Man, even the giant preying mantis? I thought I had the market cornered on giant arthropods with anxiety disorders

>>89213235
There are far less overused bugs. However, mantes are popular for a reason: they're awesome. and making a superpredator neurotic is funny. has been for ages. cowardly lion, etc. It's okay to cliche if it's a good cliche.

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>tfw you're just looking for some reassuring words but your readers keep tearing into you

>>89213558
The praise will feel even better when it does comem

Finished this page!

>>89214467
kys

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>>89214467
Whoops, forgot the page.

But yeah! End of the chapter!

I also forgot to say that after this chapter I will be doing remakes of old chapters (In black and white) for blu trinity so that they can be sold in stores.

Though, I would like to call these remakes West Tree Plus because not only does it retell some of the story, but I get to add plot points and gags that I either forgot or didn't get to because it was too late.

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>>89214610
>for blu trinity
>so that they can be sold in stores.

>>89214666
Yeah man, they have been sucking, for a long time, almost a year, but then they showed me there veiwer status and it was like, in the 500's.

Also I have a two year contract with them so, might as well.

>>89214610
I thought you were already making and selling remakes of old chapters, presumably in color

man do yourself a favor, just go back to your previous program and especially its lettering. It was so much better. you worked so hard on making your handwriting legible instead of the shittenscratch it started out as.

also whoa, Leafy. That shit's gonna finally come out eh?
did you mean to type "West Tree of Heroes" there? no academy?

>>89192572
>>89202546
>>89212939
I feel like some of these criticisms are a bit harsh, but I think you should try to do some character design reworks.
Your characters lack a visual identity. Cartoon girl and cartoon guy look like any other cartoon girl and guy. Demon girl resembles Marceline, and demon guy looks like some background thug character.
I'd say bug girl, alien lady, and fish lady probably have the best designs because they're the most unique. They look weirder, more unusual.
Try playing around with shapes some more. Try simplifying your designs, don't be afraid to try something that looks unusual to you, is out of your comfort zone. You definitely have the passion for this project, but you need to put in the polish.

>>89214858
not seeing the Marceline resemblance. Looks more like what you'd expect Marceline to look like if she actually resembled her dad. other than that I think there's some trolls or goblins in one of the bigger MMOs that look like that?

>>89214826
Nah, only did 1-3, but now I'm gonna do more for that bigger fanbase

Also, none of this is my hand writing, it's a font, I mean I can read it, and you can read it, that means it's cool.

Also, yeah, I gotta fix that typo.

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>>89202546
2 with one, fucking savage.

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my most recent one
These are my comics
http://kingdwarfcomics.tumblr.com/

can anyone help me HTML my tumblr page to look like an actual comic page?

>>89214954
I feel she resembles Marceline more in that they seem to have come from the same character concept: cool, punk, mischievous demon lady. An MMO troll is a more apt visual comparison.

>>89215029
Yeah I'm talking about before you started using this tablet device. I dunno at least the lines look better now than when you first started using it. Actually aside from the text this page looks almost back to where you were.

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almost done

>>89215741
alright who's been throwing their garbage in hell
so for that last text block youre going to slip something in UNDER the letters so they show up? because it would be a shame to cover up any of that art..

>>89204537
I'd just like to point out I didn't respond with the edge comment. I made it, he's supposed to be a bit of a Frank Miller Sin City parody. So I guess he's supposed to be edge but with a silly bird helmet.

Guess I should make it more ridiculous/obvious?

>>89204385
>>89216745
meant that for you my man.

>>89210321
you're not entitled to anyone's story faggot

>>89207886
what's up with the Japanese sound effects

>>89202546
REKT

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Here's that daily salt page. Does anyone have good imagery for the taste of sugar?Aside from puppies and rainbows. I've got a few ideas but they're not that striking.

>>89220377
are you looking for sweetness as a phenomenon, or sugar specifically? because to me sweetness is very light, pink, pastel.. it's all up-ness and brightness, a recharge and a stimulation, or if it's syrupy dense sweetness, then it's like being held gently by strong arms.
but if it's specifically sugar i'd go with very spotty imagery, very plain but orderly.. uncomplex.. sort of a very nice regular grid that is itself still pleasant, possibly a hexagonal grid with spots in the center of each cell

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An anti hero of sorts, she's going to join Brenner's team in his chapter of the next part.

She loves to be evil but she just hates seeing murder for some odd reason in her heart and will always try to save the day if she see's someone in trouble.

May or may not be related to Annabeth, who knows, but she does worship Leafy (Leifa isn't even her real name) and has a hand on her head that she thinks is constantly petting her, and gets super defensive if it's made fun of or taken off her head.

I haven't really decided what her power(s) are/is yet. I was thinking maybe using her vines to do something... the power to turn objects into nature? Maybe.

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>>89221282

I use to make fun of you in the past, you're not much better than before but I see some improvements.

That's good, keep it up and in some time you might have a decent webcomic.

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>>89221282
Looks like Orendi from Battleborn.

>>89220482
It's sugar specifically, but it's from the perspective of somebody who's never tasted anything but salt. Your first answer is good, thanks. I might steal that idea of "upness", I think good imagery might be a balloon shooting upward once let go.

IMO, even if I'm not using your second comment it's pretty interesting to read. Someone should draw that.

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>>89221282
Really? Battleborn?

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>>89221403
>>89221432
Good catch, I'm surprised he even touched that game. Or maybe he just caught some pictures of it as he was browsing /v/.

Before any newfags try to cry how it could be a coincidence, you missed out on all his previous "creations".

>>89221513
Explain further.

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>>89221432
>>89221403
like nigga change the hair, or at least the feet, how fucking hard is it to use an ounce originality?

>tfw only ever drew a single comic strip and only posted it once on /co/
I can't even find it anymore.
It was something like Bravely Bold and mocked how Brave And the Bold was just everyone helping Batman do shit.

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second guest appearance of monsterous mimi's artist's cameo-avatar character, but won't quite be the last.
big thanks to rottenstrawbs, I copied these fantastic running poses verbatim, and now I have them memorized, they're added to the ol' toolbox

also second -proper- use of the occasionally-mentioned goldlords, but this time with a plotline that's actually somewhat thought-out-first.

>>89221567
Dewd has posted original the characters (do not steal) that were essentially rip offs of McCree and Mercy from Overwatch, as well as Hater from Wander over Yonder. There's probably more, but I can't remember them all.

>>89221403
>>89221395


Well never fucking mind that then.

>>89221395
I had similar thoughts. This is an improvement. though I don't understand how she "has a hand on her head" that she clearly doesn't have. Does he mean a phantom hand? I see a stump there
>>89221403
Huh, weird. It clearly looks similar overall, yet not one detail is actually similar at all. is it possible to just copy the whole package of something? I had a character once who was based on my half-remembered idea of what legacy of kain soul reaver looked like. In the end there was nothing left of the original

>>89221616
The only real ripoffs were the Sette and Sette's Zombie Friend characters, and he deleted those. Sad, because they were cute. but unabashed and admitted ripoffs
Apparently Pony was a coincidence, which is weird. She has since gone through every possible mutilation to change her appearance to not-that-one-pony. Kind of a lesson to us all.. be unique or it could happen to you.