Detective Comics #948 Storytime

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>>89055323
thanks for the storytime norrin. You're a good guy

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>>89055228
I dont know if i can keep reading this book is best boy truly worth the rest of the shit

Why is Batwoman so unlikable? A female hero inspired and sanctioned by Batman is not an inherently bad concept. In fact she's pretty similar to Catwoman, I just can't stand Kate for some reason.

>>89055392
Tim drake is a boring fuck. I hope he stays dead

>>89055457
I'm talking about Basil

>>89055282
I have an art question. Why do artists sometimes have characters and things break panel? Like here, why have that chair corner or her elbow stick out of the panel and into the gutters?

>>89055357
>>89055365
>>89055371
>Suddenly Not Arkham Knight appears
Whoooo, I knew dropping this book during this arc was the right choice.

>>89055453
Try out Batwoman: Elegy or 52 if you haven't already.

>>89055528
Sometimes it has a meaning, sometimes it's just a stylistic choice.

>>89055382
Man I like that title, it's like the classic shield except well, black and red.

>>89055503
oh sorry man.

>>89055547
exactly
>>89055258
has meaning whereas
>>89055282
is just a stylistic choice to give you a clearer idea of the character/object in certain panels

>>89055596
>has meaning
So what's the meaning?

>>89055357
Dude has a cool design.

>>89055339
>Deadname
She's trans?

>>89055785
>going to be a character in a bennet book
yep

>>89055282
why the fuck is this a joined page?

>>89055785
I didn't even know that was a trans term.
I just assumed it was some weird classified name thing.

>>89055453
they said it themself in this issue. What can Batwoman do that Batman can't?
Or to phrase it better, what does Batwoman do? She's gay, but they havn't given her a love interest since she put on the cowl even though that would be the easiest way to tie her into some floating mythos the same way Bruce is tied to the League of Assassins via Talia. She's military trained, but since she never got her pips all that comes of that is her dad's connections. She had an occult thing going with the Religion of Crime and they really should have pushed that angle by having her get embroiled in different cults after that, but they just didn't. not in any meaningful way

>>89055885
yeah but even if it wasn't the rest of her dialogue screams "I used to be a dude"

>>89055885
Same as you, idk what that other anon is on or its another dumb term people have come up with.

>>89055900
Well yeah it's obvious now that I looked up what "pupal stage" means.

>>89055910
>>89055885
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deadname

>>89055885
the trans community is the only place I've ever encountered the term. I think it's a bit overdramatic but I suppose its meant to act like a magic feather and help give them confidence

>>89055913
>had to look up what pupal stage means
I don't blame you, I blame your teachers

>>89055228
Thanks for the storytime

>>89055453
I think it's that none of it feels earned. These self taught heroes are always the worst for that exact reason. She keeps being treated as on the same level as Batman, but all she is is a military dropout.
I have the same problem with Batgirl being portrayed as on par or even better than the Robins, despite them being trained for years by Batman himself and operating directly under his watchful eye.

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>>89055924
>>89055929
Lmao ye it seems she is trans.

>>89055952
I probably learned it in like 4th grade, it's been a while.

>>89055968
>I think it's that none of it feels earned. These self taught heroes are always the worst for that exact reason. She keeps being treated as on the same level as Batman, but all she is is a military dropout.

This. It's impossible for me to take Kate seriously as a badass when she has less military experience than fucking I do. They should have at least made her some implausible "only female Delta ever, formerly only female Spetznaz ever, 200 confirmed kills, served in all wars on both sides". That would make her an obnoxious mary sue, but she'd enjoy some form of legitimacy.

Alternative would be to just avoid direct comparisons to other heroes as much as possible.

>>89055638
Kate is intially nervous and unsure about herself. She's just starting out. After getting some prep talk from her father she decide to ignore how she feels and just break out into gotham. Embracing her new role as Batwoman. That was my take away from the first two pages. It's a pretty simple break down I know but it works to address this idea.

>>89055228

What happened to the victim syndicate arc? Did they wrap it up while I wasn't looking?

>>89055282
>long hair
Meh

>>89056126
yeah
and we never found out who patient zero is.
also worst Robin aka Spoiler decided the Victims were right and now she hates Batman.
his response in the epilogue was almost word for word 'it's just a phase, she'll get over it'
kinda funny

This art is absolutely beautiful.

>>89055968

Technically Batman is a "self-taught hero" too.

>>89056187
random curiosity, whats the worst art that Batwoman has ever been subjected to?

>>89055453
Read the Jh Williams issues of n52 Batwoman or Elegy
>>89055457
Fuck you

>trans character
Neat. I hope it doesn't become a major part of her character aside from backstory though
>>89056226
The art after Williams left in issue 25 was fucking atrocious

>>89055885
>>89055910
>>89055900
>>89055785
>expert on post human bio-weaponry

not just trans, but probably a perfect genetic change from male to female. I'm fine with transgender characters, but lets keep it consistent with the setting please.

>>89056491
what if its not just male to female but nonhuman to human?

maybe she's from Gorilla City?

>>89055981
Well it makes sense that they put her in charge of monster town
You have to be somewhat of a monster to hunt monsters and Transsexuals are pretty much human monsters.

>>89056227
You know its true anon

Damn, the art in this was fucking beautiful.

This was a good issue, I'm actually looking forward to the Batwoman solo.

>>89055885
This, I assumed it was a codename. At least she didn't hit us over the head with it.

People arent asking the important question.

Does she still have a feminine penis? Because that will make or break the character for me.

>>89056223

Huh? He studied for around about a decade under multiple martial arts masters, bounty hunters, detectives, alchemists, ninjitsu masters, etc...he was never really a "natural", he just had absolute dedication and drive.

I'm glad I'm decided to no longer pay for this book.

>>89055785
deadname is an anagram of dame edna.

>>89056883
That's transphobic and disrespectful anon

>>89056883
Will they finally give Batwoman some good dicking?

>>89055228
>We Pacific Rim now!

What did he mean by this?

>>89055357
>>89055365
>>89055371
Fucking Gray Fox, is that you?

>>89055968
If you mean the newbie self-taught hero who is supposed to be almost as good as the more established character I agree with you.

She is often a bit overexaggerated based on what she has actually had to do and the threats she's encountered. She's a cool character in a lot of ways and has benefited from some good books, but she doesn't have the experience of any Robin even.

>Marguerite Bennett's first issue
>She introduces a new trans character

Like clockwork. Why are these SJW types always virtue signaling?

>>89055457
Too bad he isn't actually dead at all, retard.

Also you're wrong.

>>89058014
If I was an editor at DC, I would give her a challenge. Yout get to write whatever story you want, with the artist you want, BUT it must star a straight white male, and there can't be any LGBT supporting characters.
Wonder how it would turn out.

>>89055391
Thank your Silver

>>89055282
>What can Batwoman do that Batman can't?

Is Kate's dad secretly /co/?

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>>89055334
>>89055339
>>89055349
kek. Tynion just combined the only two interesting character from Pacific Rim and made it a chick.

>>89055896
>they havn't given her a love interest since she put on the cowl
uh...

>>89057212
>he was never really a "natural"
I would disagree considering he learned more in about 10 years than real people would be able to in a lifetime.

>>89060511
Maybe

>>89055323
>>89055349
>>89055282
>>89055274
>two separate pages that kind of look similar being put together
dc come get your mans

>>89060677
That's nothing impressive in comics, not when compared to real naturals like Tim for example or many other characters

>>89061064
Holy shit timfags are so much worse than damianfags

>>89061187
Just pointing out that characters like Tim surpassed Batman in skills without even trying too hard

>>89061223
>characters like Tim surpassed Batman in skills
You're fucking mental if you believe this. List one single piece of evidence.

>>89055228
>#948
That's a lot of comics.

That was completely ok

> No Cass. No based Basil. No Jean Paul.

Oh good, so there's no reason to buy this arc then.

>>89055317
Damn, I want t know how night of the monster men would have looked like if it had been drawn by Ben Oliver.

>>89056086
So literally make her backstory that Navy SEAL copy-pasta? I kinda like it.

>>89056086
Please we all know if she were what you wanted /co/ would hate that even more.

>>89058014
>>89058366
What's wrong with making new minority characters? That's what you guys always say when an established characters has their race/gender/sexuality changed, that they should've made a new character instead.

>>89064993
it's called wanting to whine, /co/ does it a lot

>>89064993

I'm looking forward to the response to this because it's usually:

>They're shoving it in our faces
>It's not natural/cohesive to the story/world
>They're such a small part of the population
>insert agenda

>>89057744
Yeah dawg, hurt me more Batwoman

>>89057742
Giant monster skellies.

>>89058346
He is boring anon. I hope Mr. Oz fucking guts him

>>89061187
>actually believing this
lol

>>89065854
lol you're going to be disappointed then

>>89058346
I fucking hate Timfags. Seriously worse than Damianfags, Jasonfags and Dickriders combined.

>>89058346
Dude people only like Tim because he was their robin. It's just Nostalgia. Tim is terrible desu

>>89065977
whatever you say anon

>>89065942
>>89065977
interesting pattern

I really like Batwoman. Do I have to start Rebirth Detective Comics where it started or can I start here?

>>89066062
If you liked Elegy, I'm pretty sure you can start with these two issues.

>>89066062
If you like the idea of her leading the team she got thrust into that once or twice but otherwise nah

>>89058346
I hope Tim dies

>>89066637
>IP count isn't increasing
lel

>>89055365
>>89055371
Jesus does everybody make a habit of studying Batman

>>89068540
If you too were going to start shit in Gotham wouldn't you study him?

>>89055785
Trans people have their own version of "slave names" except it sounds more vampire-ish?

I thought you just switched the gender of your own given name, like going from Kyle to Kylie.

>>89055304
>Meanwhile, the best characters in the series have a battle date in the holodeck!

>>89070176
>I thought you just switched the gender of your own given name, like going from Kyle to Kylie.
some people do, but many do not.
and not all names have opposite gender equivalents.

>>89069501
But does everyone have a back catalogue of Bat fights to study from?

>>89064993
/co/ (and most cape hero fans in general) are straight cisgender heterosexual white males, and can't stand the idea of the "other", dispite the fact that 70 years of comic history features overwhelming (straight) white male protagonists.


I'd love some some writer to come along and reveal that [insert white male hero] is actually a transman and see how /co/ reacts to that.

kek

>>89055896
>confirmed for not having read any of Kate's solo or Batwoman elegy

>>89056226
>whats the worst art that Batwoman has ever been subjected to?
It's obvious you didn't read after the creative team left, and you shouldn't because it was shit, but the art after the creative team left was TERRIBLE

>>89071692
>le read Elegy meme

Detective Bump

>>89071665
they had cameras everywhere it was bat watching season and they brought scopes

>>89055334
Cruella?

Does this issue contradict anything about her other origin?

This was really short, at least it wasn't SS's meh crossover tie-in that felt even shorter.

>>89055968
But, she literally expend time training with spec ops from all over the world, that was an entire issue of her series and apparently the new series is going to start with flashbacks about that...plus Tynion set her entire 'new status quo' as someone that has been lead from childhood to become a supersoldier, i mean it pretty much post-Rebirth stuff but this is on page.
I get not liking characters, but your entire post is bs to people that actually read comics...

>>89072550
No, tbqh theres hasn't been much contradicting her origin on this TEC run, just expanding it in ways that wasn't probably planned by either Rucka or JHW.

The whole Colony thing in particular.

>>89072769
>she trained a couple of months with experts! this puts her on the same level as people who have been doing this for years

Worst thing about Batwoman is the arrogance of her fanbase

>>89073089
Thats nice and all, but we do agree that you are mostly talking out of your ass, right?
I don't have any issue with you bitching about why you don't x character, but if i see a falsehood i'm going to prove you wrong.
This is after why we are here...to argue like retards about capeshit.

>>89073185
I wasn't the guy you were arguing with by the way.
I just wanted to point out that while she has an "explanation" about her skills is still terrible.

And I find it hilarious that she is somehow above Nightwing and Red Robin in the Bat-hierarchy

>>89055234
Please be good.

>>89055371
Issue was decent. A little slow, looks amazing if not original, writing seems good.

>>89074393
Agreed

>>89060614
>made it a chick.

He doesn't know.

Google "detective comics trans" and be horrified. That woman's a man, Man.

>>89060677

Not really. The Batman you see now has more experience than just about anyone and has still been training and learning in his free time all these years. It's ridiculous to show anyone else on his level because it's literally all he does and he's been doing it for longer than anyone. We've had countless Batman stories that deal with his obsessive dedication and how much he has sacrificed and continues to sacrifice in order to be as effective he can possibly be.

Having Batwoman be anywhere near his level after a couple years of American military special forces training is honestly hilarious and dismantles a lot of what the character has accomplished.

>>89072769
>But, she literally expend time training with spec ops from all over the world
Which might make her better at using guns than them. Doesn't mean that she should be able to take on Batman hand to hand without Batman jobbing.

>>89077795
And "a couple of years" is being generous since it seems like she has a couple months at most.

>>89055371
Hey Prometheus, I thought Midnighter Killled You!

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>>89078351
He is a prisoner of Death. Only Batman can set him free.

>>89055896
She's Batman but fights actual fantasy creatures sorta instead of the typical criminal who gets turned into a semi-monster.

>>89080381
Didn't all the fantasy creatures just turn out to be intergang genetic experiments from Apokalypse just like all the other Batman monster villains?

>>89078400
Cool

>>89078351
He Reboots himself.

>>89055357
A Wild Shinra Soldier Appears!

>>89055371
Who is he pointing his gun at?

>>89084328
He just fired his gun in that page, you can see the projectile portruding from what he just fired at.

>>89084361
But he didn't fire at them, what is happening?

>>89084507
He fired it at the computer(?) which overrode its original programming, as you see in the page.

>>89055247
>two years ago

We've officially moved to the point where Kate's origin takes place after don't ask don't tell was repealed. Are they going to say that it stuck around in the dc universe? That opens a bit of a can of worms.

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>>89055228
i hate batwoman
i hope they kill off the miserable dyke

>>89089230
>the Batwoman/Batman fight that had no resolution
I wanna die

>>89089466
Damn Editorial.

>>89084694
I imagine it can survive for as long as people remember it, I imagine they'll stick with for another 5-10 years.

They can just retcon it into she was pushed out due to higher ups thoughts and feelings on homosexuality rather than the rule. I imagine that will run for a little longer.

>>89090540
>They can just retcon it into she was pushed out due to higher ups thoughts and feelings on homosexuality rather than the rule. I imagine that will run for a little longer.
Much better

>>89088994 Americsn Alien Storytime

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>>89077568

welp.

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Dont ruined it.

>>89089466

What do you mean? She DESTROYED Batman.

>>89094948
I think Bruce was holding back.

>>89094810

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>>89096339

>Batcucks on damage control

>>89097633
Pretty much

>>89058366
It would be her Lobo one shot

>>89058366
she'd just make it about white privilege, duh

>>89055334
Well hello there, Batwoman's future lover.

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>>89099498
I don't think that Dr. October is Kate's type.

>>89099610
Don't be transphobic, anon.

She clearly identifies as "fuckable by a lesbian."

>>89099636
She can say whatever she wants, but it is still Kate's call to make, unless she gets a tranq dart in the neck.

>>89099667
Or a Vampire Hypnotic attack.

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>>89099788
AGAIN!?

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>>89099807
I dont Believed that coming from the same guy who wrote Manhunter and Wonder Woman 77.

>>89094948
We all know Batwoman beating Batman is bullshit jobbing and anyone who believes it genuinely is baiting.

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>>89099911
I don't think anybody could believe that shit was happening.