/swco/ - Star Wars Comics & Cartoons

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First for killin' bugs.

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2nd for shipfus.

why did the Jedi agree to become generals instead of staying neutral?

>>89039560
I wouldn't have mind seeing more ships of that sleek chromed up design.

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Who got the most unfair/unjustified death?

>Episode Preview:
>It's a Zeb episode

>>89039572
They had to rescue Anakin, Obi-wan and Padme in great numbers and just got pulled into leading the clones that appeared alongside them. After that they just got roped into it.

Or the Senate ordered them to (or Palpatine, to ensure his plan continued on as planned). They had to obey the Senate, after all, which is why Palpatine's lie about getting rid of the Jedi worked so well. He claimed they were going to overthrow the Senate they worked for, so they had to be put down.

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>>89039619
>It's a Zeb episode

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>>89039598
Naboo had great designs, especially with how they were very different from the rest while still fitting in somehow.

I feel sorry for the ground crews assigned to polish the big ones though.

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>>89039661

There was also particular interest for the Jedi with Dooku being suspected of being a Sith Lord.

how do we protect Rex's smile?

>>89039744
>I feel sorry for the ground crews assigned to polish the big ones though.

Probably just got giant ass buffers. Can't be that bad a job. Provided Nubian ships aren't coated in some kind of stainless/anti-tarnishing alloy.

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>>89039797
As I recall it said the shiny bits are chrome coated. Might be wrong tho.

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>>89039857
>Might be wrong tho.

Could be, considering Phasma's armor is made of the same stuff and I doubt she'd cover herself in a really weak-ass metal.

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Do it for her /swco/

>>89039923
what is even the point of Phasma's character?

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>>89039619

>It's a Zeb episode

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And stay here where you belong stay out of /tv/

No one cares if you think that "canon" means "important." Nothing that happens in the cartoon will ever be brought up in a movie.

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>>89039969

lolidunno.

>bait and waifu fags
I lost hope in this general. /swco/ has failed.

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>>89039995
>Nothing that happens in the cartoon will ever be brought up in a movie.

Okay.

>>89039969
She's important because she gives young girls a role model to emulate. Don't you think important messages for young girls should be included wherever possible?

>>89040050
but she does nothing except stand there?

>>89039572
The Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice in the Republic. They had a sworn duty to protect any and everyone in Republic space, even idlf it meant taking up arms. They'd protested against the idea diring the Separatist crisis, but events on Geonosis forced their involvement

Should I bet a couple dollars and try a month of swtor?
It keeps pulling fairly consistent player numbers and adds new stuff often.

Help me decide, does anyone here play?

>>89040050

Every time I see Phasma I can't stop thinking about how saggy and skinny-fat her actress is.
If my daughter were to emulate her I would send her ass to the gym.

Good thing Leia and Jyn exist as far superior rolemodels.

>>89040034
Remember that episode of Rebels where Saw raised Jyn? Or that one where he got the Death Star plans? Remember how in Rogue One they talked about the stuff he did in the cartoons?

Oh wait, none of that happened. In fact, he was completely interchangeable and it would have made no difference to the movie if he was a new character with a different name.

In fact, he was tied into a cartoon character after casting precisely because that character was irrelevant and obscure, so that there would be no story conflicts. And all they had to do is change his race and eye color, lol nice canon.

Remember, nothing that happens in the cartoons will ever be brought up in the movies.
Ashoka never existed, Darth Maul is dead and the Rebel characters do not exist. Also, the Old Republic is never getting a movie either.

Cameos by irrelevant characters with no connection to the film's plot is all that you got, and that's the best you can hope for in the future.

And that's a good thing.

>>89039995
>Rogue One
>Literally mentions Kanan and Hera by name.

>>89040196
>mentions Kanan
Where?

>>89040194
>and the Rebel characters do not exist.
Then why was Chopper and the Ghost ship in Rogue One?

>Also, the Old Republic is never getting a movie either
This is the only thing I will agree with you on. I hope it doesn't happen.

>>89039615
He claimed to be a pacifist yet helped the Republic.
He got what was coming to him.

>>89040247
Hera was mentioned, Kanan wasn't.

>>89040196 fucked up.

>>89040252
>Then why was Chopper and the Ghost ship in Rogue One?

He's just going to say that background stuff doesn't count and or the same argument as with Saw.

I've encountered this guy on /tv/ before. He's just shitposting. Ignore him.

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>>89039615

That's what you get for eating all those cats, motherfucker!

>>89040252
>irrelevant background cameos with no affect on the plot
That just exemplifies what I said. No difference to the plot of the movie if they are there or not.

Disney will never take the plunge and actually connected the different media in any significant manner.

>>89040146
You could just try it for free?

>>89040308
>He's right, and I can't argue against it
>just ignore him
>eufags triggered by the truth
Clockwork.

>>89040308
>no affect on the plot

>hammerhead corvettes from rebels literally affect the plot

You're in the wrong place anon

>>89040308
How do you feel about the Mortis arc of TCW being the frontrunner of major rumors and spoilers for Episode 8?

>>89040336
>reused art assets from LucasArts library
Nice, another irrelevant background cameo interchangeable with any other spaceship.

I don't even understand you people. You should be on my side.

You should be mad that Disney won't acknowledge people like Ashoka and Kanan in the movies or reference the storylines form book/comics/cartoons. I do get that deep down inside you understand that Disney won't ever do it, but why take it?

For some reason you are satisfied with cameo scraps of tertiary characters from an episode 5 years ago.

You're the guy getting fucked by Disney, yet you are defending and praising them for it.

>>89040310
That cripples you so badly it's almost unplayable though.

>>89040435
(you)

>>89039958
Do what, exactly?

Unless I'm off the mark on this one, and I get the strong feeling I am, the best you could do for her would be to not cast her off or leave her behind.

>>89040489
shes already dead

>>89040356
I think it's hilarious and I laugh it.

The same way I did at people who said Ashoka/Rebels//Maul will be in Rogue One.

The same way I still laugh at the Snoke=Plagueis people.

The same way I laugh at the people who still think Old Republic movie is coming.

The Mortis arc was so bad and unpopular, they had to retcon it to "it was just a dream/vision, lol!"

Those leaks were bad fan fiction written by an EUfag. You could easily tell because it wish fulfillment for someone who wants EU to matter, rather than written by Disney's marketing committee. The trees stuff and Mortis arc will never happen in a movie. Disney will not completely change their game plan ,stop playing it safe, and go full retarded EU fan fiction in the movie just to pander to the people they already have in their pocket.

And the frontrunner leaks are the one with casino planet, which is only slightly better.

Who here has actually watched the Clone Wars story reels all the way through?

I can't get past that unfinished animation.

>>89040435
>You're the guy getting fucked by Disney, yet you are defending and praising them for it.

Why wouldn't I? No one else is fucking me.

>>89040483
I know, the truth hurts. It's ok, with time you will understand.

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Rate my sith.

>>89040578
Meh

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>>89040578

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>>89040559
Watched them twice.
The stories are that good that you forget about the shitty animation.

>>89040435
>I don't even understand you people. You should be on my side.
How about instead of acting like you are superior and have the better mindset, you actually TRY to convince people to move over your mindset.

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>>89040615
This agent do anything for ya then?

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>>89040554

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>>89039615
This qt.

>>89040655
I cannot teach a blind man to see anymore than I can teach a filthy EUfag to be a reasonable human being.

>>89040659
A little better, but still meh territory

>>89040554
So much depends on the director.

>>89040554
The trees are happening. We have pictures on the set of the movie of the tree. We have them introduced in a comic already to get some people ready for the idea of it.

The prequels are also "bad and unpopular" to most people, and yet Disney can't and won't retcon and replace them. The only realistic way for that to happen is for a Disney coup to happen, or for them to sell Lucasfilm to another company that wants to do their own canon purge.

>>89040691
>get BTFO again
>memes
It's ok, we both know I'm right. And it will become evident to you with every subsequent Star Wars movie.

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>>89040730
Last chance.
How about this Mando.

>>89040782
just

>go 25,000 years in the past
>technology identical to the PT
what did Bioware mean by this?

>>89040740
People are overestimating the importance of the director. Disney does not fuck around and treats its director like writers, just names for hire. The directors don't have any real power to diverge from what the corporate says, you can see it clearly in the MCU.

Also, look at the movies they are making. ANH prequel, Han Solo spin off, rumored Boba Fett film.

They are going to milk the iconic OT characters for as long as they can.

>>89039615
I would say Ventress had a shitty death, every Inquisitor after Inky also had it bad

>>89039615
Waxer

>>89040578
not bad

>>89040659
kinda cool

>>89040782
cool

>>89040765
Different guy, anon.
I thought you were baiting because you said that people expected Maul to appear in Rogue One.

>>89040820
It was only four thousand years in the past, and I imagine that technology kinda reached a point where it couldn't be improved all that much. And with all the war waged by Force Sensitives the galaxy had to rebuilt itself from the ground up a couple dozen times. All that money that could have gone into scientific research instead went to the Telos restoration project.

>>89040782
It's the best of the batch, this one is okay

>>89040554
>Rebels will be in Rogue One.
they are

>The Mortis arc was so bad and unpopular, they had to retcon it to "it was just a dream/vision, lol!"
Incorrect.

>>89040760
>The trees are happening
Again, wish fulfillment and people crafting the narratives they want from rather than being realistic about it.

Nothing from some comic will be reference in a movie. Sorry, but Disney is too smart to go with something as bad as the tree stuff.

I didn't say the prequels are bad and unpopular, just the Mortis Arc. Some people are nostalgic for the prequels, mostly those who saw them as kids. Disney also can't retcon them, but they don't have too, they will just phase them out and saturate the market with their own spin off films. It's not like the PT has any staying power.

>>89040820
It doesn't look at all like PT's technology. It looks less advanced. I'm okay about things like kotor should have used Protosaber and shit, but it still looks okay.

>>89040252

>Then why was Chopper and the Ghost ship in Rogue One?

Same reason why there's a bunch of Legends stuff in the prequels.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Legends_elements_in_the_films

>>89040869
>and I imagine that technology kinda reached a point where it couldn't be improved all that much.
Then why do the films paint an opposite story? The Prequel ships are all smaller and weaker than the OT ships

>>89040876
>they are
I must have blinked.

>Incorrect.
Filoni turned them into a vision quest. Which is a good thing, because the Mortis arc is literally the stupidest shit to ever hit Star Wars since midichlorians.

>>89040554
The trees will appear in the movie, whether they will be important to the story or not is another matter

>>89040878
>Disney also can't retcon them

Yes they can. They own Lucasfilm. They can do whatever they want with it.

>>89040952
A tree is on Luke's planet. It's not the super duper magical force tree from the comic books.

>>89040928
>Filoni turned them into a vision quest.

How?

>>89040915
You mean when a peaceful Republic became a war mongering Galactic Empire? You wouldn't need massive ships like the Super Star Destroyer if things are all honkey dorey, but the Empire does when it wants to rule through power and fear. The Republic didn't even have a proper army before the clones.

>>89040554
>The Mortis arc was so bad and unpopular, they had to retcon it to "it was just a dream/vision, lol!"
Never happened, everyone on Mortis literally happened. It's not a vision or a dream.

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>>89040928
>I must have blinked.
You did. Must be deaf too.

>Filoni turned them into a vision quest.
Incorrect. He just told people that didn't understand it to think of it kind of like the Dagobah cave thing. The events of the Mortis trilogy still happened.

>Which is a good thing, because the Mortis arc is literally the stupidest shit to ever hit Star Wars since midichlorians.
Oh great, it's another retard who doesn't understand midichlorians.

>>89040978
Ok, they can but the won't because they have nothing to gain from it.

Actually we don't know what the deal Lucas had with them, but considering how anal he was about the PT it's probably safe to assume he ensured they won't do it.

>>89041001
The designs are literally an evolution from the prequels to OT. It's not just "well uh the ships magically were larger and more armed because muh Empire", they literally just weren't possible during the PT.

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>>89040915
SO much this. Bioware apologists are always claiming that Star Wars technology has been stagnant for thousands of years, but we see plain as day the tech improving from episode 1-7.

This is the biggest thing I hope the new canon improves. There is a lot of room to tell interesting stories with pre-ep1 tech.

Things like only huge cargo ships having hyperdrives, and regular civilians/smugglers have to go on huge multi-day trips just to get from one planet to another

How about droids having imperfect AI during the old republic. Instead of being able to actually fully understanding galactic basic, and even being able to respond fluently, droid ai is no better than something like the Amazon Echo.

This kind of stuff would make the old republic era so much more immersive in my opinion.

>>89041018
>but considering how anal he was about the PT it's probably safe to assume he ensured they won't do it.

Just like how he probably ensured that Lucasfilm can do what they want and are free to connect everything they make and put cartoon stuff in the movies like they did with Rogue One?

>>89041000
>>89041005
By stating it was a vision.

>>89041012
>You did. Must be deaf too.
Oh so did they have a cameo? Point me to the cast so I can check.

>Incorrect. He just told people that didn't understand it to think of it kind of like the Dagobah cave thing.
I guess Luke fought Vader on Dagobah but it was really fighting himself and he really killed himself.

kek

> The events of the Mortis trilogy still happened.
Nice headcanon.

>Oh great, it's another retard who doesn't understand midichlorians.
Oh great, it's another retard defending the prequels.

>>89041055
The CIS had massive ships, so it's not entirely impossible. You fail to understand that the Republic couldn't conjure these ships out of thin air, there was a war going on. After the defeat of the CIS and the formation of the Empire they could make ships that were simply bigger with more armour, shields, weapons, etc. Before the Clone Wars there just was no reason to make ships of that size and power, not when you have a senate that would voice their displeasure over such military spending.

>>89041077
trypically parent companies don't get in on the business of their subsidiaries unless they've gone and done a lot of terrible shit.

The majority of Disney's oversight for Lucasfilm is in making sure that what they put out is appropriate for whatever distribution they want to put it on, and having someone make sure they stay on budget and schedule.

Is the Collectors Edition of TFA worth the buy?
I have the original BD release I got for my birthday. On the fence about getting this new one for the extra deleted scenes and Abrams commentary

>>89041077
>Just like how he probably ensured that Lucasfilm can do what they want and are free to connect everything they
Yea, why would he be opposed to that?

>put cartoon stuff in the movies like they did with Rogue One?
I never said they didn't put stuff from the cartoons, just that nothing for importance from the cartoons will ever be mentioned in the movies and that irrelevant cameos is all you can hope for.

And I was right.

>>89041055
>>89041171

Not only did the empire have no budgetary constraints, they had no qualms about strip mining entire worlds down to the core, and enslaving races that didn't fall in line.

>>89041144
Not either of those anons but,
>By stating it was a vision.
source?

>Oh so did they have a cameo? Point me to the cast so I can check.
A "General Syndulla" is called for on the overhead, later confirmed to be Hera.
http://dorksideoftheforce.com/2016/12/21/star-wars-rebels-character-hera-rogue-one-dave-filoni-confirmed/

>still no Jyn being tentacled by the Bor Gullet

>>89041144
>Oh so did they have a cameo? Point me to the cast so I can check.
General Syndulla is called over the intercom, Chopper appears, and the Ghost is seen multiple times

>I guess Luke fought Vader on Dagobah but it was really fighting himself and he really killed himself.
Yes. Luke really killed a representation of himself in Vader armor.

>Nice headcanon.
It's actual canon. TCW literally confirms it inside the show and FIloni has said it happened too.

>Oh great, it's another retard defending the prequels.
Not an argument. Tell me why you think midichlorians are bad.

>>89041291
star wars porn of movie characters is always fucking awful, why would you want that?

>>89041246
>source?
Dave Filoni

>A "General Syndulla" is called for on the overhead, later confirmed to be Hera.
So, there was an irrelevant cameo that needed to be confirmed by a 3rd party for someone to even notice it?

I don't see how that goes against anything I said.

>>89041322
It had to be confirmed as Hera because autists took "General Syndulla please [...]" to mean "Nah it couldn't be Hera! It's her father, obviously!" since we don't know if he survives up to RO/ANH at this point yet.

>>89041322
>Dave Filoni
Do you have a link to a tweet or published article stating this?
>there was an irrelevant cameo
don't move goal posts, characters and vehicles from the show appear and are mentioned. This is what was commented on and it happened.

so when are they going to revive TCW to push out the last 2.5 seasons?

>>89041307
>General Syndulla is called over the intercom, Chopper appears, and the Ghost is seen multiple times
I don't know how many times I have to go over this. But again, nothing of importance from the cartoons/books/comics/games will ever make it to the movies, but cameos with no affect on the plot.

>Yes. Luke really killed a representation of himself in Vader armor.
Shit, now you're just trolling me.

>It's actual canon. TCW literally confirms it inside the show and FIloni has said it happened too.
He confirmed it was a vision. You just said so yourself.

>Not an argument. Tell me why you think midichlorians are bad.
I'm not going to get into another argument with you, but for all commonly cited reasons, retcon, turning the force into a bloodline, fucking with mysticism themes with a pointless materialist explanation.

>>89041171
ISDs and SSDs are much better armed than any Separatist ship. Only the Malevolence(and maybe Providence-class dreadnaughts) would be able to counter Imperial warships. Lucrehulks are nothing more than freighters with some extra firepower.

>>89041428
>He confirmed it was a vision. You just said so yourself.
Visions are still canon, anon. It's not like he's peering into Legends to get a force vision. What about Anakin's visions of Padme giving birth and dying? Rey's visions she got through the Skywalker lightsaber of things that happened prior to the movie?

>>89041067
>This is the biggest thing I hope the new canon improves.
They've already begun to do so in small places, like Bane's redesign and showing his lightsaber and the Darksaber to have more traditional-looking blades rather than modern-looking ones.

>>89041372
>Do you have a link to a tweet or published article stating this?
I think he said at some con actual. Ask>>89041307 guy, he has mentioned it so he knows about it too.

>don't move goal posts, characters and vehicles from the show appear and are mentioned. This is what was commented on and it happened.

Well, you see, this seems rude, but I like your tone so I'll answer. I said that nothing that happens in the cartoons will be brought up in the movies and affect them. Because things that actually happen in the cartoons are not brought up. As in, the stories and plot points are not acknowledge by the movies and the major characters don't exist as far as the films are concerned.

Some people feel that because there are cameos or of background elements in both that somehow validates the "canoncity" of the cartoon and brings it up on the same level. That the cartoons and movies make up a single story.

It's only really true on paper, not in practice. There is no difference between a cartoon that is "canon" but has no bearing on the plot of a movie and cartoon that is "canon" and has no bearing on the plot of a movie.

But the former has more appeals to the fans and sells better.

>>89041428
>I don't know how many times I have to go over this. But again, nothing of importance from the cartoons/books/comics/games will ever make it to the movies, but cameos with no affect on the plot.

I don't see why you're so triggered by this?

The films are for a general audience, so there will never be an instance where you'd have to have seen/read a cartoon/comic/novel in order to understand a plot point in a film.

The hierarchy is simple.

Film > Cartoon > Comic = Novel

It will always flow in that direction in terms of viewer knowledge requirements. However, it's still cool that they're willing to have cameos flow up from the lower order entries.

>>89041428
>nothing of importance from the cartoons/books/comics/games will ever make it to the movies, but cameos with no affect on the plot.
Then why did a Hammerhead-class corvette(introduced in Rebels) play an integral role in the finale of the film?

>Shit, now you're just trolling me.
I'm not.

>He confirmed it was a vision. You just said so yourself.
And visions still happened. They still experienced it.

>retcon
What do they retcon?

>turning the force into a bloodline,
"The Force is strong in my family. My father had it. I have it. My sister has it."

>fucking with mysticism themes with a pointless materialist explanation.
How do they fuck with mysticism themes?

>>89041513
I didn't say the arc/vision isn't canon. But that it should not be taken literally.

Anyway, I have to go, but I will freely admit I was wrong if the Mortis Arc and/or it's elements are brought up in episode 8.

I'm pretty sure it won't happen though because Disney won't gamble.

>>89041437
The point is that if they had the resources, the time and the manpower then ships of that size would have been possible. Both sides were facing funding issues, but when the Empire controls everything then money isn't an issue. They can raise taxes on a bunch of worlds to build a fleet of Star Destroyers or an entire group of SSDs.

The Star Forge could crank out massive amounts of huge ships because it used the energy of a star. Without it, and the near collapse of the Republic, you have to rely on ships like Hammerheads.

>>89041580
>I think he said at some con actual.
So you don't have a source and are just making things up.

>>89041589
>I don't see why you're so triggered by this?
A fair question. Because a good deal of fans equate the word canon with "important," and refuse to accept this part:
>Film > Cartoon > Comic = Novel
I wish more people would acknowledge this.

>>89041645
>The point is that if they had the resources, the time and the manpower then ships of that size would have been possible
Do you have any proof besides your ass that this is true?

>Rebels casually calling the Klik Klak guy a bug
Pretty space racist

>>89041428
>But again, nothing of importance from the cartoons/books/comics/games will ever make it to the movies
Well, Saw sure did.

>>89041185
No edition of TFA is worth buying.

>>89041766
But that's what he is

I liked Sabine. I don't think there's much wrong with her. I just think she needs a better backstory and actual conflict. Otherwise it's nice to see qt space asians.

>>89041870
No, he's a person and his name is Anakin.

>>89039995
>stay out of /tv/
It's like being banished from middle east.

>>89041878
>I like Sabine, I don't think there's much wrong with her, she just needs an actual character.

>>89041589
>It will always flow in that direction in terms of viewer knowledge requirements. However, it's still cool that they're willing to have cameos flow up from the lower order entries.

Pretty much and the Saw in RO is a perfect example of a minor character that doesn't require you to watch TCW to understand who he is. It's why I don't understand people who think Ahsoka will show up in the movies or get a spin off for her own. Imagine the audience reaction to that. Not everyone watches the cartoons. There are people who still think Stormtroopers are clones.

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Oh shit I thought it was the same ship!!

>>89041892
>expanding on a backstory and giving her conflict
>making a character

Pick one.

>>89041654
Pablo explained a thousand times that the viewer should not care about the canon, only to enjoy the story being told.
Also the hierarchy is true, the movies are the introduction to the series for all viewers, but that hierarchy does not represent their levels of quality
Subjectively: Cartoon>Film>Novel>Comic

>>89041549
Does that mean protosabers could make a comeback? They supposed to be used during the KOTOR era but the game designers obviously couldn't be bothered implementing them.

>>89041907
One is probably based on the other in universe. Or just a really popular design.

Albeit the old one has a way more aggressive look, which I like more.

>>89041961
They confirmed in Recon that the Hammerheads we see are based on ancient designs, so that's basically true.

does the Dark Side work like unforgivable curses in HP? if a Jedi were to try and cast force lightning, would they be physically incapable of doing so unless they embraced the Dark Side with all their soul and let their anger consume them?

>>89042161
Nothing we know directly indicates that, no.

>>89042161

Considering Force Lightining is a very advanced skill? Possibly.

>>89042161
Sort of. Force lightning requires you to tap into hatred and anger, so you probably can't use it if you're not willing to do that.

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2017/01/more-star-wars-episode-viii-info-from-rian-johnson.html
Some quotes from Rian Johnson about Ep 8.

How it was shooting the movie.
>“The creative work has felt like play. It’s felt resonant and meaningful because it meant so much to me as a kid… I want [Episode VIII] to be a blast and to be funny and to be a ride the way The Force Awakens and the original Star Wars movies were.”

About the characters.
>“I wanted to know more about each of them, and that doesn’t just mean information or backstory… Figure out what’s the most difficult thing each of them could be challenged with now — let’s throw that at them and dig into what really makes them tick by seeing how they handle that.”

About Rey and her insecurities.
>“[Rey starts the movie] both not knowing what’s going to happen and also having a lot of expectations in her head about how this is going to go. It very much feels like what we all go through in adolescence, the dawning of this new chapter of our lives. [Deepening of familial themes are] a huge part of [Star Wars and] especially Rey’s character, something that was a really powerful part of her setup and something I really wanted to dig into with this.”

Luke
>“[Luke’s story is the] emotional entry point [of the movie]. I’m approaching [his story] with a take that I hope feels honest and real and is going to be interesting to folks and make sense.”

They already had a title for the movie on the first draft
>“It was in the very first draft I wrote. I’ll just blurt it out now! …All in good time, my friend.”


So it sounds like the production of Ep 8 is going way better than it did for TFA. No rushing and time to refine.

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>>89042161
Not sure about force fightning, but you sure as hell can't give force handjobs without embracing the Dark Side

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HONDO BEST CHARACTER

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>>89042231
>I want [Episode VIII] to be a blast and to be funny and to be a ride the way The Force Awakens and the original Star Wars movies were.”

More OT pandering bullshit!

"ONLY THE OT AND TFA ARE REAL STAR WARS!"

>kill Darth Sidious in a suicide attack
>in doing so destroys the Sith and brings balance to the Force
>30 years pass
>now the Force is unbalanced again as some nu-"not quite Sith" rise to power and slaughter the Jedi
>again
ebin lore, Disney

>>89041654
>being this austistic

>>89042367
To bring true balance, all dark side groups had to be crushed, not just the Sith.

>>89042367
>now the Force is unbalanced again

But... it isn't.

>>89042367
The EU did the same shit only it was even worse because Palpatine literally came back.

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>>89042281
BANE ALSO BEST CHARACTER

Why is Rebels so boring?

>>89042445
If I pulled off that hat, would he die?

>>89042408
>balance
>only light side users remain
Wouldn't balance mean either no dark or light side users at all or relative equal amounts of the two?

>>89042445
>space cowboy
>no cylinder on his blaster
Wasted potential tbqh famalam.

>>89042417
yes it is, the very first trailer of the movie stated that there's been an awakening in the Dark Side. it hungers, and is throwing things off balance again

>>89042450
No, it's a hat, why would he die if you took off his hat?
That's stupid, anon.

>>89042445
>Why is Rebels so boring?
It's... not?

>>89042450
kys stop using this outdated meme

>>89042462
>Wouldn't balance mean either no dark or light side users at all or relative equal amounts of the two?
end this meme

if you were to put styrofoam and lead pellets on either side of a scale, would the quantities of the balanced system be equal in number?

>>89042467
>there's been an awakening in the Dark Side
Is that in the actual movie?
In the movie all that's said is "There has been an awakening"

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>>89041144
>defending the prequels
srysly go back to /tv/ we were having fun before you got here

>>89042488
Name one original and memorable character from Rebels that isn't part of the Ghost crew

>>89042550
Thrawn

>>89042517
That's why there's a relative in there Anon. Though perhaps that wasn't clear enough.

Either way my point was that the total removal of one side isn't balance, there has to be at least some "counterweight".

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>>89042550
Grand Inquisitor.

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>>89042008
i love that there bringing back all sort of old canon, like dark troopers

>>89042566
The prophecy, which Lucas said was 100% true, only pertained to the Sith, who were fucking with the Force and making it unbalanced.

How are people not understanding this shit? I've had easier times explaining the Monty Hall Paradox.

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>>89042462
>Wouldn't balance mean either no dark or light side users at all or relative equal amounts of the two?

No. Balance is like a kilogram of steel and a kilogram of feathers on a scale. The Dark Side is in less amounts than the Living Force, but is some serious juu-juu.

>>89042467
>the very first trailer of the movie stated that there's been an awakening in the Dark Side.

As opposed to the film itself. Where not near enough shit went down to register an imbalance.

>>89042445
What's the point of the rubes going into his cheeks?
Duros don't have gills. Does he have custom-made cheek holes so he can breathe extra air through the tubes?

>>89042566
no, it does not. balance merely means equilibrium, not equality. a balanced physiology (your body at it's natural equilibrium) has a total absence of Mercury, for example.

>>89042621
They make him look cooler.

>>89042564
I like Thrawn but his character entirely relies on his EU origin and dickridng from his EU fans. Ain't nothing original about this guy.

>>89042585
Who? Try harder.

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>>89042488
An, admittedly small, part of the reason I enjoy Rebels is the amount of irrational hatred it generates. Like the guy who draws Mandogore, and this guy on DA, too, whose gallery is full of barely coherent MS-paint, anti-Rebels invective. Enjoying their rage has become a part of the experience for me, in a way.

>>89041961
>One is probably based on the other in universe.
Yeah I believe they said that the ships we see in Rebels(and now Rogue One) are a modern ship that's based on a design that dates back centuries

>>89042597
Just so you know those aren't actual Dark Troopers(though Dark Troopers are canon). Those are Sentry droids

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Phase_II_dark_trooper

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sentry_droid/Canon

there were hundreds of jedi
they died

there were two sith
they died

now theres only a couple left on both sides, i would say things are balanced

>>89042621
If I remember correctly, they were suppose to help him breath if a force user tried to choke him or something. At least that's what I remember the special features for Senate Heist said I think.

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>>89042718
this isnt an orange this is actually an apple

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple

just so you know

>>89042723
>now theres only a couple left on both sides, i would say things are balanced
There's a couple Jedi left maybe

there are no more Sith.

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I just watched the Mortis arc and the Son's tower has that Isengard/Mordor look like Vader's castle does. Is there any connection or just because it looks cool?

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>>89042617

>>89040068
She'll be back.

>>89042785
>Is there any connection or just because it looks cool?

If I recall correctly, Dave said that the Son's tower was inspired by Orthanc. So yes, there is a connection.

>>89042585
If he's so grand why did he die so early?

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>>89042802
But.. the dark side is stronger than the light side

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>>89042780
its all the same shit son, sith, empire, first order

>>89039572
Didn't have a choice. They are the guardians of justice, the senate and the populace at large expected them jump to the Republics defense. Can you imagine what would have happened if they would have said no? First, no galactic tax money for their big ass temple.

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>>89042550
Best fetish waifu is pretty memorable.

>>89042943
that's like saying all Christians are Mormons.

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>>89042943

>He thinks Nightsisters are Sith

was Sheev the individual who was the most in-tune with the Dark Side in all of history?

>>89042674
>Who?
Main Villain of Season 1? Leader of the Imperial Inquisitorius? Revealed to be a former Jedi Temple Guard in Season 2? Any of that ring a bell?

Have you just never seen the show?

>Try harder.
Agent Kallus
Governor Arihnda Pryce
Minister Maketh Tua
Commandant Cumberlayne Aresko
Taskmaster Myles Grint
Admiral Kassius Konstantine
Brom Titus
Ryder Azadi
Commander Jun Sato

>>89042617
>As opposed to the film itself. Where not near enough shit went down to register an imbalance.
How is an Empire being led by Dark Lords of the not-Sith not an imbalance?

Rebels is only sub-par because Disney won't give a TCW tier budget

>>89039969
>two buttstocks on her rifle
>giant cape that is clearly out of regs
>NOTICE ME color scheme for her uniform

She is your typical female army grunt. Constantly needing attention. She probably flirted her way to her position on Starkiller. Why else would a lowly Captain be at the same leadership level as a General and dark side adept?

>>89042981
>its all the same shit son, sith, empire, first order
and nightsisters
here let me give you a hand, there we go now i said that

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>>89043041
>>two buttstocks on her rifle
typical non/k/ shitter thinks he knows dick about weapons.

>>89042897
Dark side is imbalance in itself. It is the selfish parts that focus on small amounts of personal power now rather than the superior power of a large group of people working together in the light side.

A Sith initiate can probably beat the crap out of a Jedi initiate because the dark side is an instant power boost, but Jedi can achieve greater amounts of power with years of study and determination.

Most Sith burn out after a few years because it is like doing massive amounts of cocaine. You feel GREAT, TERRIFIC, AND ALL POWERFUL but your body erodes away and your lifestyle forces people away from you or kills them, and then you burn out. Few Sith like Palpatine let the dark side percolate inside them and maintain that kind of self control to achieve what he did.

Honestly it was poor writing that Yoda lost to Palpatine, there should have been external reasons that Palpatine won, like Yoda would have had to sacrifice more than he was willing to destroy the Sith.

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>>89042951

>>89043009

Apart from The Son? Probably. The Dark Side was possibly never at it's biggest until he started the Clone War.

>>89043011

This.

>>89039958
I miss her, she started like a random bad girl, then she became an anti-hero, then they forget about her.

>>89043051
Not all dark side is the Sith, anon.

>>89043011
Nope, I give you one more chance.

>>89043088
Maybe you can help

>>89043041
her armor was actually coated with Chromium salvaged from the emperors personal luxury ship on naboo.

>>89043117
>Phasma is a Palpatine groupie

>>89043094
nope, but its pretty much implied the empire, new order and sith are

>>89043009
Palpatine was an old school Sith, with all the knowledge and power of an old republic Sith, in an era where the Jedi were diluted to barely a shadow of their former selves. Most of the old techniques were lost simply because they didn't feel the need to pass on abilities like battle meditation in an era of peace and stability.

For what it is worth, Palpatine is regarded as a serious Sith Lord by the ghosts of the other Sith, and they actually helped him on a few occasions just because of his massive charisma score and the fact that he had actually accomplished what most of them had tried and failed at. This is all extended, non-canon universe now so take it with a grain of salt, but it was well written.

>>89043133
But they're not.
There's only ever two Sith, and they're both dead. The Sith are gone, and with them went the imbalance in the force from the prophecy.

>>89043073
I know putting a collapsible buttstocks on a weapon that already has a collapsible buttstock is goddamn stupid.

What is Kylo Ren's endgame
>I will finish what you started, Uncle?
finish what, exactly?

>>89043152
That's like saying I shouldn't put a scope in front of a scope and should attach barrels to the underside of my magazine that slots into my foregrip.

>>89043075
>Dark side is imbalance in itself.

No it isn't. The Dark Side has always existed. To say that the Dark Side IS imbalance is to say that the force has always been out of balance and will always be out of balance.

The Dark Side is created by pain, suffering and death. Those are natural parts of life. To be rid of the Dark Side means there can't be life. Without life, the Cosmic Force cannot be fed. Without the Cosmic Force, the Midichlorians cannot come into being. Without Midichlorians, no life can exist. There must always be the Dark Side.

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>>89043151
you assume far to much, why does he want the jedi dead so much?

>>89043117
>chrome is from an old ship of Palpatines

>that somehow makes it less stupid

>>89043151
but how come other Dark Side factions like the Nightsisters or the Knights of Ren aren't imbalance?

>>89043165
>finish what, exactly?
bringing peace and order to his new empire.

>>89043176
dudes so fucking evil his face is rotting off, call him sith or what ever you want.

>>89043165
Wipe out the Jedi and rule the galaxy.

There, was that so hard to figure out?

>>89043176
Have you ever met a Jedi?
All they do is get drunk and wreck the place and leave without paying the bill.
Who wouldn't want the Jedi to just die?

>>89043041
I like the theory that Phasma was actually a series of droids created to raise the next generation of storm troopers. That is why Phasma never actually shoots her gun and always seems to be there and always seems to be focused on the troopers and how they are acting.

Finn and the rest were conditioned to not question her constant presence and why THE PHASMA just happened to be loitering in a random hanger bay making sure troopers are all wearing helmets.

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>>89043108
>Nope
So you've never seen the show? Gotcha.

>I give you one more chance.
Well you've used up your chances. All the characters I've named are original and memorable. You should know of at least some of them. But you've clearly never seen the show.

We're done talking until you've gone and watched the show.

>>89043150
>battle meditation
On one hand I still think that was silly, on the other it's pretty cool too. Should probably finish KotoR one of these days.

Any old republic era stuff worth reading? Were there ever even novels?

>>89043184
she basically is a sheev groupie, it was suppose to show that the new order values its empire origins.

and Chromium is a symbol of royalty on naboo, so it is pretty badass.

>>89043245
>and Chromium is a symbol of royalty on naboo, so it is pretty badass.
Maybe Phasma is Naboobian.

>>89043214
Yeah, they keep coming into our planets and stealing our jobs

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>>89043186
>but how come other Dark Side factions like the Nightsisters or the Knights of Ren aren't imbalance?

Because the Nightsisters and the Knights of Ren didn't create fuckhuge amounts of pain, suffering and death through a galaxy spanning war and a galaxy spanning tyrannical regime. The Sith did both of those things. If the Sith were not stopped, they'd have continued to use that regime to create so much of the Dark Side that they'd become almighty.

>>89043186
Because they don't actively fuck with the Force using the Dark Side. Nothing they do is even close to what Palpatine was doing.

>>89043243
I'm actually laughing at you right now. Are you as hilarious in real life? This is gold, man.

What would /co/ think to be the best explanation for Rey being bullshit OP?

>Luke's Daughter
>Force Avatar of some description
>Obi-Wan's great granddaughter
>New Chosen one
>Managed to take on Kylo's knowledge when he attempted the mind rape, and that combined with his injuries was enough to defeat him
>She's an experiment of Sheev/Plagueis that someone else continued after they died, but something intervened
>Han's Wife's son
>related to another unknown (to Luke) Jedi
>Her parentage is actually a red herring and she's just a natural prodigy
>Her parentage is actually a red herring and JJ fucked up by making her OP, and so future films will dial her down while dialing Kylo, Luke and Snoke up

>>89043262
>Phasma is Sheev's granddaughter or great niece and only got her position because of that

>>89043262
i was wondering how she got the chromium from the space yacht, i thought it was just first order scrapping what ever resources they had.

>>89043290
how was Palpatine messing with the Force itself? did he have a giant vat of pure Living Force in his basement?

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>>89043243
>>89043011

>>89043186
Nightsisters probably would bring the same kind of imbalance if that Jarjar/Windu buddy cop episode is any indicator. They're more insidious and influential than they appear. It's likely that the Jedi periodically bottle them into Dathomir whenever they have the spare time so they don't run amok like the Sith.

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>>89043297

>>89043304
>Her parentage is actually a red herring and JJ fucked up by making her OP, and so future films will dial her down while dialing Kylo, Luke and Snoke up

This. Though Kylo, Luke and Snoke don't need to be dialed up.

>>89043338
>FINALLY, after 6 fucking seasons, get a Windu-focused arc
>it's ruined by having Jar Jar in it
fuck you Filoni you asshole

>>89043304
>bad writing
there we go

>>89043342
Please post more memes and lists of characters.

>>89043338
>Jarjar/Windu buddy cop
Now I'm curious.

>>89043304
>Han's Wife's son
>son
That explains everything. She's actually a man

I'm not used to /swco/ being this shitty, can we go back to talking about cool shit like starfighters.

>>89043330
See >>89043285

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>>89043244
the kotor comics are mandatory reading.
Though it should be said that there's a slight dip after the original Antagonist is resolved.
They also feature the star wars waifu who has yet to be topped.

>>89043330
sith shrine under the jedi temple or just because hes the last sith in the universe more or elss.

>>89043388
>I'm not used to /swco/ being this shitty,
Oh so, you're new here. Well welcome.

>>89043381
TCW Season Six
Honestly not a bad couple of episodes.

>>89043209
There used to be a difference between Sith and dark Force users. Sith knew lots of secrets of the force, they knew how to make force lightning which was actually ripping the force apart and channeling that energy into an attack. Vader force choked people because it was cool and because you had to be a master Sith to do force lightning.

Now every emo and angry dude can use force lightning like it is second nature.

>>89043186
Because mainstream didn't know about them, Lucas didn't care about them, and few except the people that worked with clone wars probably gave them a second thought. I am not invalidating their existence, just stating the fact that in the grand scheme of things most producers, directors, and writers don't give them a thought or know about them.

>>89043388
>I'm not used to /swco/ being this shitty

Because we're being subject to a shitposter from /tv/.

>>89043401
>sith shrine under the jedi temple
are the Jedi retarded? how did they not notice a huge wellspring of Dark Side coming from their space wine cellar?

>>89043388
/tv/ leaks in sometimes, don't worry about it.

>>89043417
>Now every emo and angry dude can use force lightning like it is second nature.

Palpatine and Dooku and... ?

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>>89043297
lets all laugh at the stupid person together /co/
(you)

>>89043400
I'll have to check those out then. They are just called TOR?

>>89043330
>how was Palpatine messing with the Force itself?
Sith magics most likely, and he drew on the power of a Sith Shrine located beneath the Jedi Temple.

As far as what he DID?

Hid himself from the Jedi in plain sight. They had no idea he was a force user.

He also clouded the foresight of the Jedi to the point where they were unable to see the future. It got so bad that Windu said they should inform the Senate that they couldn't see the future any more.

>>89043369
>ruined
What are you talking about? Jar Jar/Windu buddy cop adventures was great.

>>89043403
I've been here since Rebels S1 anon.

>>89043427
>implying /co/ isnt just as shitty

I love this delusion

>S3 E12

>Goes to Geinosha
>Does the whole operation
>Decides to let final Geninoshan live with egg
>finds imperial poison canisters
>puts them under ship
>lose them in the battle
>canisters hit ground and releases gas
>kills the last 2 Geinoshians

The ghost Crew let the final Geinoshians die

>>89043417
>Now every emo and angry dude can use force lightning like it is second nature.
That was a severe problem in the EU, but I can't think of it being one now.
Not even Maul has demonstrated that ability yet
Though him finally managing to summon enough concentrated hate to try it on Obi-Wan would only be topped in hype by Obi-Wan blocking it bare handed.

on a scale from 0 to 10, with 10 being the maximum, how hard did Sheev mindbreak Anakin to turn him into Vader?

>>89043442
probably snoke.

snoke said kylo was going to complete his training so were going to see how un-sith he is in about a year.

>>89043417
>There used to be a difference between Sith and dark Force users.

There still is. A Sith is a very specific thing. Sith are users of the Dark Side, but most Dark Side users are not Sith.

>Now every emo and angry dude can use force lightning like it is second nature.

Not really. It's an advanced skill belonging to the Sith. The only non-Sith who used it was the Son.

>>89043454
It's a Dark Horse run just called knights of the old republic.

Ran for quite a few issues, and had a pretty good resolution.

>>89040654
It helps that they've got a full audio mix more or less.

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>>89043297

Whatever helps you feel more confident I guess

>>89043442
It's in comics and books, but basically every dark side force user can use force lightning. Darth Maul was able to use it, a bunch of dark jedi.

There are a few cases of people just lashing out and causing force lightning.

Honestly its one of the things that makes me happy the EU was made non-canon. That said there is still a lot I wish was still canon.

>>89043369
your just mad jar jar got laid

>>89043497
if Snoke isn't a member of the Knights of Ren, or even a Sith, how much could he possibly know?

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>>89043491
>how hard did Sheev mindbreak Anakin to turn him into Vader?

15.

>>89043454
They're called "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic" and "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: War".

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic_(comics)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic:_War

There's also a comic series set before this called Tales of the Jedi and that was good

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Tales_of_the_Jedi

Knight Errant is also a good Old Republic-era comic

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Knight_Errant

>>89043117
She's not worthy to wear Sheev's stuff

>>89043540
please refrain from posting pictures of treasonous scum

>>89043304
>>Her parentage is actually a red herring and JJ fucked up by making her OP, and so future films will dial her down while dialing Kylo, Luke and Snoke up
This is the only real answer.
Her parentage has nothing to do with her powerlevels. They just wanted a self-insert power machine, but they didn't think about the storytelling consequences.
Mary Sue in a nutshell.

>>89043465
Did they really say that there was a Sith Shrine located under the Jedi Temple? Of all the crap, its one thing to do a retcon to fix one plot hole, but to create a bunch more with said retcon is insane.

>>89043570
hes the supreme leader, he better know some thing or episode eight is going to be horribly boring.

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>>89043076
Delete this ;-;

>>89043614
what plot hole were they even trying to fix?

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>>89043435
they were guarding it, as i recall.

who knows what canon is now, shrouded in the dark side canon is.

>>89043614
>Did they really say that there was a Sith Shrine located under the Jedi Temple? Of all the crap, its one thing to do a retcon to fix one plot hole, but to create a bunch more with said retcon is insane.
There is. The Jedi built the Temple on top of the shrine in an attempt to put a cap over it. There is no plot hole and it's not necessarily a retcon and doesn't make any more plot holes

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_shrine

>During their brief galactic domination, the Sith constructed a shrine on the planet Coruscant. Following the Sith Order's defeat at the hands of their sworn enemies, the Jedi Order, the Jedi Temple was raised over the shrine's foundations in a symbolic attempt to bury the legacy that the Sith had left behind on the galactic capital. Millennia later, this decision would prove disastrous for the Jedi Order, as Darth Sidious, the reigning Dark Lord of the Sith, was able to make ample use of the wellspring of dark side energy that lay at the shrine's heart; clouding the vision of the Jedi Council, and masking his true motives and identity until it was too late.

>Following the destruction of the Jedi Order, and the reformation of the Galactic Republic into the Galactic Empire, Darth Sidious—known publicly as Emperor Palpatine—had the Jedi Temple converted into the Imperial Palace, at which point the shrine was finally excavated. Sidious used the shrine as his private sanctum, where the Sith Lord spent much of his time meditating on the nature of the dark side.

>>89043664

My thought was that they were trying to put a cap on it. Like trying to cancel it out with their good Force shit or something so that the Dark Side wouldn't be harshing Coruscant's vibes.

What is the biggest loose end in the canon right now that you desperately want them to fill in?

I'm specifically only referring to things from the past that possibly may not be answered anytime soon. Loose ends from TFA are obviously going to be addressed in the sequels.

>>89043699
The way they did it in the Darth Plagueis novel was better

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>>89043520
>>89043583
Thanks.

>>89043740
I want to know how many Inkies existed, who they were, who they were trained by and their names before being pulled into the service of the Empire.

Inkies a cute.

>>89043664
>>89043699
>>89043728
I guess this kinda makes sense, in the way that SW: The Force Unleashed explained that the few remaining Jedi went into hiding on worlds that were fonts of dark side energy in order to hide, and how their presence actually turned those worlds from death planets to slightly habitable.

>>89043740
imperial remnants, boba fett, plagueis, darth maul, CIS remnants, the rest of darth vaders gear and i guess ahsoka

>>89043699
this is totally a plot hole

>clouded by the Dark Side, our vision is...
well why the FUCK did nobody go down and check to see if the WELLSPRING OF THE DARK SIDE THAT YOU PUT IN YOUR BASEMENT might be acting up???

>>89043740
Ahsoka

>>89043781
is this an Arwing?

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is it typical for producers to recycle old material when the old canon is removed?

>>89043578
I thought that Vader wasn't supposed to think about Padme during his meditations?

>>89043887
>the old canon is removed?
nothing from the games or books or comics were canon.
Lucas took stuff from the EU, with the original owners permission though.

>>89043847
>>clouded by the Dark Side
it was implied the galactic war made this happen, the sith shrine is basically a haunted indian burial ground.

theres probably a bunch of grumpy old dead sith down there.

>>89043915
what ever there doing im glad some of its making it into the new canon

>>89043847
Because it had been long forgotten? The Jedi Temple was built thousands of years ago. I doubt anyone alive knew the Shrine existed.

Also, even if someone knew about it, they had no reason to suspect it was the cause. They believed the Naboo Crisis/Separatist Crisis/Clone Wars were to blame for the rise in Dark Side energies

>>89043955
>Because it had been long forgotten? The Jedi Temple was built thousands of years ago. I doubt anyone alive knew the Shrine existed.
that's a lame excuse, people can sense each other in the Force and track Force signatures, this is long been canon.

>a concentration of the Dark Side is clouding our foresight. It seems to be coming from... right underneath our feet? Quick, rip up the floorboards!

>>89043740
how the fuck did Maz found luke's lightsaber

>>89043887
Not sure. Legends was never truly canon anyways.

But I know that they said they're treating Legends like a writer's resource that they can draw from.

http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

>While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels. The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980s.

>>89043866
Ahsoka is dead

>>89043995
>that's a lame excuse,
How?

>people can sense each other in the Force and track Force signatures, this is long been canon.
Yes, but when the Dark Side is clouding everything it's not easy to track.

>>a concentration of the Dark Side is clouding our foresight. It seems to be coming from... right underneath our feet? Quick, rip up the floorboards!
Palpatine was using a source underneath them, but that doesn't mean it would be directly coming from underneath them.

Warhead - Zeb episode
Trials of the Darksaber - Sabine episode
One month break
Legacy of Mandalore - Sabine episode
Throuch Impreial Eyes - Thrawn/ Kallus episode

Any expectations for these episodes?

>>89044007
>how the fuck did Maz found luke's lightsaber

She didn't have Luke's Lightsaber. As far as we know Luke still has his.

>>89044007
that's a good story, for another time.

>>89044061
>One month break
What? They're doing another fucking break?

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>>89044007
she collects things, some one on cloud city found it originally. like a garbage man or some thing.

>treating Legends like a writer's resource

legends had a lot of weird shit in it, but some good stuff to. im glad to see this happening.

makes me think exar kun is going to pop out of a sith holocron

>>89044061
>One month break

Nigger, what?

>>89044091
>>89044082
Disney wants to kill Rebels

>>89043955
I don't like this to be honest. It makes more sense that the Jedi order became too big and without an enemy to fight they grew arrogant and departed from their original ways as they cemented their influence into politics. Reducing it to ''lol Sith magic made them stupid'' is kinda redundant.

>>89044061
>Warhead - Zeb episode
Probably much better than what we expect
>Trials of the Darksaber - Sabine episode
It's a Sabine episode - so far they were all boring
>Legacy of Mandalore - Sabine episode
It's a Sabine episode - so far they were all boring
>Throuch Impreial Eyes - Thrawn/ Kallus episode
Probably where the real action starts. Probably very good.

>>89044112
They can't. They ordered the entire story of the series. Not just season-by-season.

>>89044047
Except that the shrouding of the Temple in the Dark Side WAS coming from the Shrine underneath their feet, that was where Palpatine was getting the "fog" from.

Even if they wouldn't be able to sense it during the war, that doesn't explain why it wasn't detected for millenia, or forgotten at all. Sith Shrines fuck the Force up and would be easy to spot pre-Palpatine (long enough for half of the members on the Council to know about it), and Yoda would have been alive to talk to the original builders, he's that old.

Honestly, the idea that there could be a SIth Shrine underneath the Temple that was responsible for their clouded vision is stupid as fuck. They should have just stuck with the "pain and suffering of the Clone War clouds our vision" line.

>>89044072
My headcanon for that was that Luke's saber fell on some machinery and later recovered by some maintenance guy that sold it as some scrap, and it kept changing hands until someone took it to Maz, who bought it.
Now that i think about it, did Maz knew that it was Luke's saber or did she thought it was just another saber?

>>89044072
you know what i meant by luke's lightsaber, you funny man

>>89044080
ok, maz

>>89044086
>she collects things, some one on cloud city found it originally. like a garbage man or some thing.
wookiepedia?

>>89044163
>implying TFA knew what it was doing period

>>89044163
Did the maintenance guy keep Luke's hand?

>>89044190
anakins old blue lightsaber fell into cloud citys depths and it has shown back up in all its blueness in ep 7. maz collects things.

headcanon is all we have for it now as far as i know

>>89044229
i remember stuff falling out after luke once he hits the bottom of cloud city in TESB.

i thought it was his lightsaber, it might have just been his hand

>>89044163
Some MSW leaks for episode VII said that she took it from 'the Clan' - the people who were being murdered by the Knights of Ren. 'The Clan' is mentioned in a few other leaks, so I think they might just be a cut part of episode VII and might still show up in VIII or IX.

>>89044127
>Reducing it to ''lol Sith magic made them stupid''
That's not what it is though. Palpatine used the Shrine to cloud their vision and make them unable to use the Force as easy

>>89044133
>Except that the shrouding of the Temple in the Dark Side WAS coming from the Shrine underneath their feet, that was where Palpatine was getting the "fog" from.
Yes, but the way he used it clouded their vision. They wouldn't be able to see that it was comic form underneath them. The Dark Side was surrounding them everywhere and clouding their vision.

> that doesn't explain why it wasn't detected for millenia, or forgotten at all.
Because it was forgotten about, and it wasn't being used by anyone. It wouldn't be detected.

>Sith Shrines fuck the Force up
Only when used.

>and would be easy to spot pre-Palpatine (long enough for half of the members on the Council to know about it)
Source?

>and Yoda would have been alive to talk to the original builders, he's that old.
The jedi Temple is several thousand years old. Yoda was only 900 years old.

>Honestly, the idea that there could be a SIth Shrine underneath the Temple that was responsible for their clouded vision is stupid as fuck.
In your opinion.

Also, it's Palpatines USE of the power of the shrine, not the shrine itself.

>They should have just stuck with the "pain and suffering of the Clone War clouds our vision" line.
That's still part of it you aspie. It's another reason why (even if someone knew of it) they wouldn't suspect it

>>89043330
Sith Magic and sources of dark side power (like the shrine under coruscant, or whatever he was looking for in the unknown regions) in order to exact secrets from the force and turn the tide of events in the galaxy towards the dark side. Also using the clone wars and the empire to spread suffering and increase his sith powers.

>>89043487
>Geinosha
>Geinoshan
I've seen the spelling be wrong before, but this is just too much.

>>89044320
>Sith Shrines fuck the Force up ONLY when used
bullshit. places where heavy use of the Dark Side occur become tainted by their very nature, like Korriban. Even when deserted you can feel them from a mile away.

>forgetting about the sealed away ancient evil artifact
>at all
>sealing the ancient evil away instead of destroying it or cleansing it when you had the chance
I hate these memes, it makes them look like retards

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Did they kiss?

More importantly - did they hold hands?

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>>89043875
If you squint I guess. It's an old republic fighter.

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>>89044080
The fact that this was the best line they could come up with was infuriating.

>>89044400
>bullshit. places where heavy use of the Dark Side occur become tainted by their very nature, like Korriban. Even when deserted you can feel them from a mile away.
The Shrine was covered over with light side energy from the Jedi.

>>forgetting about the sealed away ancient evil artifact
>at all
It happens. Ancient things get forgotten

>sealing the ancient evil away instead of destroying it or cleansing it when you had the chance
Surprise surprise, people don't always think like you do.

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>>89043699
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>>89044400
This is why everything outside of the original trilogy and the new movies are total garbage. One of the main allures of star wars was the big mysterious galaxy where it feels anything can happen and some weird magic going on t=in the background for flavor.

Now the franchise is owned by lore-fags who suck out all of the mystery and magic of the setting and replace it with Jedi/Sith political jostling and the force has lost all subtlety (remember the biggest display of it in the OT is force lightning but after that we got goddamned Sith Litch Kings and more generic fantasy bullshit).

>>89044456
fuck yellow people and fuck trum- seventh sister #notmywaifu

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>>89044061
>One month break

>>89044600
yo shut the hekc up, you fag