Rock & Rule Thread

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>>88995285

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>>88995348

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>>88995446
And now we can finally begin.

As I progress through the comic I'll make some notes, aka, since it's well known by now that this film has 2 different versions, I'll begin by pointing some differences out.

Begining with the title crawl, instead of ''Another Time, Another Place'' as it was in the original crawl, they included an entirely different card before the crawl where they explicitly tell ''the war was over and now the inhabitants are mutant dogs and rats'', Because MGM hated the movie and ordered to change it.

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>>88995612
Because a fire destroyed all prints they had stored for the film, the Blu-Ray was sourced from a half-faded 35mm print of the US Release, aka while some parts may look good, the movie suffers from altered color pallette in spots as well as being too dark in general.

Mok in his limo driving through Ohmtown is much clearer in the Canadian VHS version of the film than in the Blu-Ray.

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>>88995747
In the fifth panel you see Omar and Angel, this scene and another were re-animated for the US cut because they thought because MGM didn't like the VA for Omar (Greg Salata), he had to go through an overhaul to try and make him likeable

Most changes in the movie were made around Omar, most notably his voice which was replaced by Paul Le Mat, in Panel 5, instead of sneering at Angel as seen in the Canadian Cut, Omar just stares at her with a zoned-out smile in the US Version.

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>>88995841
The first song in the film, Born to Raise Hell by Cheap Trick, suffered during the re-mix process, which is about as mysterious as it gets, because the US cut's soundmix is very messy and loud compared to the cleaner and better mixed soundmix from the Canadian Cut

In the case of this song, the backup vocals are so low you can barely hear them, while the drums, guitars and lead vocals are all at the same volume and sound like a goddamn mess.

Another big change between versions is Omar's reaction to Mylar wanting them to give ''One good reason why I should let you guys finish'', Omar's response in the Canadian version is an overt threat while growling in frustration, while in the US version they tried something snarky with him (How about this? *threatens with guitar*)

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>>88995997

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>>88996026

Angel confronting Omar was also has some big changes between versions, the first being that they re-animated a simple shot of Angel getting up and asking ''So why'd you walk?'' into Angel getting up and saying that same line but in a much sassier and passive agressive attitude.

Omar then replies in the canadian version ''Sometimes I walk, sometimes I talk, I'm talking now'', which is a shot that was completely removed in the US version, so what happens is that Omar is much weaker to Angel's pressure as well as them both not featuring that mutual knowledge of each other as the Canadian Version hints.

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>>88996149
There is also a previous scene with Omar, Dizzy and Stretch in the car, both versions share completely different dialog exchanges, with the US version shoving some hamfisted self-awareness in Omar in an attempt to make him likeable

>See you guys later...
was changed to
>You guys were great tonight, see you around.

Even though both scenes have the same shot of him kicking the can over.

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>>88996294

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>>88996327
John K. wrote on his blog about Rock & Rule, and other from completely despising the movie and how Canadians designed characters, he was explict in his praise for Robin Budd's work on Mok, with special attention headed towards his lips.

And you can't deny that those are some of the most detailed lips in animation, Robin Budd certainly has a thing for lips, given that his animation for The Devil in Nelvana's short The Devil and Daniel Mouse, as well as Han Solo in the animated segment from the Star Wars Holiday Special share similar animation on the lips, with Jay from RedLetterMedia describing Han Solo's face as ''a bunch of flesh precauriously hanging off from his head''

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>>88996460
And as I forgot to mention, one of the more noted changes in both cuts is when Toad asks Omar to apologize and he replies in the Canadian Version

>I'm sorry....dicknose!
And in the US cut he says
>I'm sorry....dogbreath!

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>>88996536

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>>88996561

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>>88996599
Keep in mind that I'm just using the comic as an example of where the changes in the movie are, the comic follows the movie dialog very loosely, yes it uses art from the film, but the dialog is obviously compressed, as it was common back in the day.

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>>88996930

Oh, this is an awesome movie. Haven't seen it in a while. Anyone have a good torrent of it?

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>>88996963
Was saving it for the end of the storytime, but you can have this

https://mega.nz/#!nUVCjY4K!j_xiBq2bSicootuCq-Hvv14HGKsQAUrxzOuNteSGU5k

Long story short: This is my restoration of the original Canadian Cut, originally this could only be seen in a VHSrip, but now I've synched it with the Blu-Ray but you might get some cuts to low-quality VHS footage here and there a lá The Thief and the Cobbler Reccobled Cut

>>88997106
thanks bb

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>>88997106
For comparison sake this is the Canadian Version as it were (skip to 1:07:02 if you wanna compare)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4OJl6gujCw

This is the US Version (skip to 1:06:15)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q62RjHfX5yM

And this is the restoration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O37op2fVAPI

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>>88995285
does anyone know how to get the soundtrack?

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>>88997423
Sadly this film never got a Soundtrack release, while some of the songs got released, sadly none of the songs by Lou Reed and Debbie Harry have gotten an official release, some others like Iggy Pop's song have gotten an official release but with a completely different mix, and to add to the confusion, the Canadian version of the film often has entirely different mixes for the songs compared to the US version, most noted the Send Love Through Finale.

But a friend of mine did cobble together an unofficial soundtrack of sorts, so it's the closest thing, unfortunately the torrent's down But I can set it up real quick

is this FILM worth watching?

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>>88997586
and I forgot the image

Setting up the MEGA link for the soundtrack now, the folder also happened to include other stuff like the raw tapes, interviews, the comic I'm posting and random images

>>88996460
Don't want to interrupt the storytime so I uploaded the quote image somewhere else.

http://imgur.com/a/sP9gB

>>88997586
pity, thanks anyway man

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>>88997752

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>>88997784
Setting up a simpler upload, there's too much shit and I ain't got enough time to wait for it all to upload.

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>>88997842
>>88997721

If you like 70's Rock & Roll, uncanny designs but great animation I definately recomend it.

I posted the Mega link for the Restoration of the Canadian cut before, but I'll post it again now

https://mega.nz/#!nUVCjY4K!j_xiBq2bSicootuCq-Hvv14HGKsQAUrxzOuNteSGU5k

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>>88998227
Ah yes, the famous demon of which its special effects was combining cow brains with animation (this is true) from the end of the movie, slighly teased (?) during all its promotional material, with the filmmakers intending it as a way to get people curious (?)

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>>88998370
I'm going to have this song in my head the rest of the night. And I'm okay with that.
Thank you OP

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>>88998407

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>>88998450

Thanks for this thread, OP! Rock & Rule isn't the best film ever, but it kind of lingers in your mind long after you've seen it. It's such a shame we'll never have truly high quality versions of the movie and the soundtrack.

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>>88998479
And now for the best part

>>88998519
It truly is a shame that the chances of a good print of the original version of the film turning up is slim, but I did restore the original version using the Blu-Ray, the Canadian version (sadly only in a VHS rip) and the Workprint intro/ending, which actually has better quality than the final Blu-Ray release

https://mega.nz/#!nUVCjY4K!j_xiBq2bSicootuCq-Hvv14HGKsQAUrxzOuNteSGU5k

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>>88998645
these old Marvel Super Specials mostly had behind the scenes photos, concept art and left it at that, this one they went all out and made a fucking great article about the making of the film.

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>>88996327
>Be nice... Or be Dog food.

So... Regular food, for you dog people?

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>>88998771
They refer to themselves as ''humans'' in the movie, which makes in the inclusion of the ''the war was over'' title card more confusing, because looking at it objectively they are just regular people with dog noses

>>88997988
Fun fact, for the Uncle Mikey sequence, the animator just did the opposite of what he learned in animation class.

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>>88998885
sauce? sounds hilarious

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>>88998918

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>>88999067

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>>88999274
''I told Tom Sito he couldn't make an animated character using cow brains and he actually did it, the absolute madman''

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>>88999463

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>>88999606
>main cast are all modeled after specific people
I like this

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>>88999665

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>>88999748
And that's it for Rock & Rule!

Download link for the fan-restored Soundtrack
https://mega.nz/#!DEkFxDIY!z8zN7BW-F--KcY-duWZEj3_Ou8yUrnYwUWABvstgD0A

And once again, download link for the film itself, in its original Canadian Version, restored.

https://mega.nz/#!nUVCjY4K!j_xiBq2bSicootuCq-Hvv14HGKsQAUrxzOuNteSGU5k

Thanks for the storytime!

Thanks OP.

Nice! Thanks

thanks op
i wish we talked about this movie more

>>88995285
Oh fuck yeah

wait this was a comic?

no.....they just took stills from the movie.....

>>89002095
would be rather stupid to actually draw new panels and such when the film is already drawn.

They ain't the japanese, that's for sure. IMO this film sounds very appealing for the Japanese

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Underrated waifu.

>>89002466
She's definately a keeper

I've been watching this film for ages and I'm still impressed by how well divided it is between the 3 main characters.

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Attention !
Attention !

Cliche , MOK...

Have to hand it to Nelvana. They never achieved Disney, Pixar, DreamWorks, or Studio Ghibli levels of fame, but they pushed raw creativity and reveled in unrestrained id.

>>89003489
lot of wasted potential, that's for sure, one of the few studios that didn't think bouncy-rubbery pear-shaped cartoon characters = good, people irk at their artstyle yet it's probably something that everyone could've gotten used to and even admire.

I blame MGM for this

>>88996727
Been a while since I've watched RnR, bit weird seeing it represented as a comic.

>>89002466
She was the first female character where I realized they could animate boobies.

>>89003703
Agreed. But I grew up watching old school anime and adult French animated films. Fantastic Planet, Time Masters, and various old school anime opened me up to accepting wide varieties of animation. Even animation styles many consider ugly.

>>88995285
I bought the DVD of this when our Blockbuster closed. My kid and I watched it and then the all the special feature about the creation of the thing. It's like a tutorial of that time right before CGI took over. All the techniques they used were top notch funky DIY excellence. Apparently, one of the animators died during the production which delayed it. I too wished Nelvana had become another Pixar.

>>89003856
Lol, imagine being six years old and seeing an animated woman taking a shower after being kidnapped by monsters. Yes, you saw her tits and pussy. Vampire Hunter D left an impression on me that I never forgot.

>>89003925
I really wonder what movies people have been watching all their lives to think films like Wizards or Rock & Rule are ''intense'' creepy acid trips, it's like they were raised watching Dora the explorer or some shit, gets annoying.

>>89003968
I wish I had the DVD or blu-ray of this, apparently there's stuff like Commentary Tracks, image galleries and a featurette about the restoration, that stuff always interests me.

>>89004026
This is the Special Edition from "Unearthed Films: Red Blood Cel' with a 2005 date. 24382-7, UN-1012

Look for it on Ebay or something.

>>89003997
Still, Down and Dirty Duck and Heavy Traffic were both God Damn messes. I'm glad I watched them, but I don't think I would recommend either movie.

>>88998048
This movie came out after Heavy Metal, right? I can't help but think that winged thing in the bottom panel is some kind of reference.

>>88995317
>Stan Lee
>Marvel
IS ROCK AND RULE GOING TO BE A MCU MOVIE?!

>>89004227
Don't even put those two films in the same list, Dirty Duck is about as superficial and idiotic as it gets, literally a edgy teenager's impression of what a Ralph Bakshi film is.

Still the better of Bakshi's urban films, I have a feeling Hey Good Lookin' would've been better but for now we've only seen the re-made version, which is ok

>>89004322
I kinda wonder what a live-action remake of it would be like, I mean, if they even do the whole dog nose thing with the actors.

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>>88999837
I thought I was the only person who scanned their copy of this comic book. Huh.

I have the Unearthed Films DVD of the movie -- their Canadian edit was mastered from someone's betamax tape. I hope this 1.9GB version you offer is a better copy.

>>89004250
Same animators / artists. They went to the states on contract work, came back to Canada and said to each other "hey we could do better."

>>88998918
> Angel was going to have a sexpot baby-doll outfit for the finale

That's uh...interesting.

>>88995747
>looks like stills from the film

>>88995841
>literally stills from the film

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>>89005108
I was honestly expecting it to be a lot bigger considering the raw video file was a 3.8 GB .wmv

I think it looks great. pic related. I've also posted clips of it on Youtube if you're still unsure about it.

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>>89005316
another one

Keep in mind that this is the Workprint finale of the film, despite the rough film damage in spots it actually looks better than it looks in the final film

Here's a comparison
http://imgur.com/a/icabc

>>88999837
do you have a DL for the comic?

>>89005737
http://www.mediafire.com/file/2wpsz6jmmug4ixc/Rock+%26+Rule+Comic+Book.zip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGQ5Y-nlfhM

Here's the "making of" documentary for the film, some interesting stuff in there

>>89005108
Not having Betamax become the standard was a stupid compromise.

>>89005796
Thank you anon, I love that movie, just curious but have you seen Gandahar?

>>89002466
Many lewd things must be done to her.

>>89005108
The Canadian version master tapes and film negatives were destroyed in a fire and all there was left of the Canadian version was a tape the CBC had.

>>89005940
Actually yes, I think I watched it just yesterday.

Are you tracking me or something?

>>89005904
Thanks, anon. It's mindblowing watching them construct this mad spinning cloud thing to film that would took them forever, but could now be done in a fraction of a time with computers. But the effect is so beautifully old-school

>>89006021
No I just thought that you would like it since I was thinking of underrated animated classics and I felt that Gandahar fit in nicely with Rock N Rule and Starchaser

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>>89006373
I watched the original French version, though honestly I kinda want to watch the English version after since the dialog's been rewritten and they got Christopher Plummer to voice Metamorphosis

Also I WAS JUST WATCHING STARCHASER NOW WHAT THE FUCK MAN

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>>89006478
Clearly we are gentlemen of refined animated taste and it was destiny for us to meet in this thread

>>89006478
>>89006718
Now kiss

>>88995285
Always been meaning to ask somewhere and this looks as good a place as as any, did a bunch of Nelvana animators end up going over to Disney? Because aspects of R&R's style looks a lot like that of the two Goofy Movies, esp. the second. Most evident when you compare the Dance Dance Dance sequence with Shake Your Groove Thing, and not just because they're both disco scenes.

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>>89002466

>>89006854
...Or both being dog nosed people I should add.

>>89006900
Stretch and Dizzy both look like background characters from A Goofy Movie

Thanks for all this stuff OP.
I will download it to my own computer tomorrow.

I was always fond of this movie. Probably the best Canadian animation ever.

>>88998582

Oooooh, yeah.

>>88998582
You've done a good thing, buddy.

>>88995285

Just wanted to thank you OP for the thread and movie/music download. Big fan of this movie. Not saying it's the best; but it sure is different from anything else I've ever seen.

First ran into this gem back in the late 80's at the local mom & pop rental shop searching for any mature animated movies (this was years before anime arrived in my area).

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>>89006014
I remember pestering the CBC and City-TV for three years for their tapes when I found out there would be no theatrical release for Rock & Rule. City-TV just ignored me. CBC wrote back a few times saying they'd look in their archives, but only once wrote back to actually say they gave up looking. Years later I was working a job in Parkdale and found out the Nelvana studios were in the same neighbourhood of Toronto, so I walked over and asked in-person. That's when someone. After waiting in reception, someone came out to tell me in person about the fire.

feels sad, man.

>>89011396
I didn't know you could do any of that without being escorted off the premises. And that was the days before employee keycards. Gutsy of you going there, man.

>>88995747
>>88995841
>>88995997

I'm a big fan of the movie and alp the stuff, but I hate when comics use shots from the movie.

>>88997106
>Uploading your own personal restoration edits

Hardcore, you are one hardcore motherfucker!

>>88998918

I like giant scarf Mok

>>88995285
You're a Magic Man, OP.

>>89006854
>>89006900
Nelvana hired a lot of Disney animators back in the day, mostly because it was around the time they quit because Disney was sucking ass back then, while I don't know if the character designer/lead animator of Omar, Frank Nissen worked for Disney, it is well known that the lead animator for characters like Dizzy and Cinderella worked for Disney.

>>89006854
>>89006900
Also, I think Disney confirmed somewhere that Goofy Movie was inspired heavily by Rock & Rule, and Ratigan's design and mouth movement was a nod to Mok

Watching the making of movie and goddamn was this movie cool.

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>>89006889
>mfw her hips swinging backwards
>mfw the pantsu shot you can only see in the open-matte shot in the Making of featurette

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I find it kinda absurd that they animated certain scenes only so they could put it through a TV and get a nice effect out of it, hell, you can see in the making of documentary a guy painstakingly painting a background that is going to lose ALL detail in the whole TV screen thing.