Is Marvel getting desperate?

Why would they be?

No they've always done this.

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>>88988546
They are finished, it's just a matter of time for them.

With Justice League release it will be a last nail in their coffin

>>88988618
>Man of Steel will start Marvel's road to ruin guys!!!
>meh movie that was average-ly received

>BvS is coming soon, bet Marvel is shaking in their boots!!!
>awful movie, tries to do 100 different things and can't do any of them right

>Okay guys, Suicide Squad looks awesome! Marvel's getting scared now!
>worse than BvS, is an incoherent mashup of scenes and sounds that somehow are considered a movie

>Justice League is going to blow Marvel out of the water! DC will win this time!
>???

I wonder how this one is going to end, /co/

>>88988727
It will never end.

WB and Snyder could come out and admit their films are shit, and deluded fanboys would screech back that they don't understand true kino.

>>88988727
RT score of 48%-56%. Will break a billion, but barely. WB fans will latch onto the fact it'll outgross "Thor: Ragnarok".

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What did marvel mean?

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>>88988618
>DCuck delusion
everytime

>>88988803
It won't break a billion. It has to compete with the tail end of Ragnarok and Star Wars 8

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>Gets hit with a basket of sandals

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>88988823
>movie about a black superhero has majority of black characters
stop the presses

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>>88988879
DC is a bunch of white guys complaining about blacks getting a good movie for once

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>>88988869
How I said THEY ARE FINISHED
Say it with me: FUCK MARVEL

>>88988869
Civil War really triggered a lot of folks, didn't it?

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>>88988951
Yeah, it triggered seizures with all its jumpcuts

>>88988546
>2 hours and 30 minutes

DROPPPPEDDDD

>>88988618
The MCU will be over. Now that people are done listening to critics, JL will destroy anything Marvel has done. 2 billion definitely.

>>88988983
Keep fighting the good fight, bro.

I admire men who refuse to leave a sinking ship.

>>88989049
Amen brother

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>>88988803
>Will break a billion

>>88989123
>JL will break a trillion
>meanwhile infinity war will struggle to make 10 dollars

>>88989123

Well, Avengers 1 and 2 are terrible movies, Justice League will top them easy.

Money wise? I don't know but I don't care either if the movie ends up being superior

>>88989159
kek

>>88988869
not nearly as funny as those tiny hits with her small hands somehow making him paralyzed and unable to retaliate while she just beats his ribs

>>88988546
How is Marvel on Netflix getting desperate?

>>88989162
You shitting me?

>>88988546
How so? It was far superior than its shit for brains clusterfuck source material that was the start of event comics. Millar is a hack.

>>88988823
Isn't "most of the cast is all the same race" the exact opposite of diverse?

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>>88989208
Because DC fans are angry that trying to make cape shit source material into something more than cape shit doesn't work at all and so must constantly attack Marvel cape shit to make them feel better about their failed cape shit

Also pic related is the new flash for JL because they won't use the flash from the incredibly successful CW show, which is surprising the best thing to come for DC, because he doesn't fit the "tone" of the new DC universe aka taking the Dark Knight tone and plastering everything else with the dark and gritty "mature" themes to give a false sense of depth and significance

>>88989253
>Isn't "most of the cast is all the same race" the exact opposite of diverse?

Go back to /pol/ retard

>>88989279
Brave and the Bold themed movie when?

>>88989253
Yes, but you have to remember that these people are idiots.

>>88989253
Not when you look at movies in general.

>>88988983

It baffling how cheap these movies look and how little care they put into making a good story.

That's why Agents of Shield and Agent Carter failed, same Marvel formula but it doesn't have the appeal of being a expensive movie, so nobody cares

>>88989253
exactly.

They've forgotten what "diversity" actually means.

To them, it just means "not white".

>>88989387
>and how little care they put into making a good story.
DC pot calling the kettle here pal

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>>88989253
No, /pol/. We have Latin blacks, African blacks European blacks and Asian blacks.

>>88988727
DC films are objectively better

not our fault normalfags have shit taste

>>88989233

Go watch Age of Ultron and tell me that is not one of the worst movies in the MCU

>>88989245

1- The comic was better because it had a plot.
2- That's not even the point, the point is Marvel playing all their cards just to make a Captain America sequel and instead of threating the film with some respect they are already whoring it out now that Christmas is over.

>>88988823
That is not what diverse means!

>>88988847
Crawl back into your safe-space, SJW scum!

>>88988918
>movie with black guys
>good movie

PICK ONE!

>>88989402
there is no such thing as European blacks

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>>88989490
you were saying?

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>>88989434
read this:

http://uproxx.com/hitfix/casting-minorities-as-white-characters-is-not-a-double-standard-heres-why/

>>88988546
1. Why would they be?

2. Why do you think they are?

>>88989413
I mean they have like 3 movies and they're all shit. Marvel has Iron Man 1, Captain America 1 and 2, GotG, Antman, etc etc and all are beloved. DC doesn't hold a candle to Marvel until it makes it's first good movie in the CU.

>>88989162
>Money wise? I don't know but I don't care either if the movie ends up being superior
I want it to make money so they continue making them though. If it makes enough money maybe Snyder will continue to direct.

>>88989608
>beloved
That means nothing in terms of quality. Who cares about how many normies like the movie? Fact is, the DCEU has better everything (characters, plot, visuals, music, camera, etc.) They feel like movies instead of boring TV shows with tons of filler like the MCU.

>>88989510
https://youtu.be/-n7toRFqURk

>>88989879
>My argument
OPINIONS OPINIONS OPINIONS

>Your argument
OPINIONS OPINIONS OPINIONS


The problem with this argument is it seems like a DC fag trying to convince a Marvel fag to like DC stuff more or at least justify why he likes said things when it's all a matter of subjective tastes. Have fun arguing like this.

>>88988546
>Made over 1 billion dollars worldwide
>Desperate

What?

>>88989839
>I want it to make money so they continue making them though

They will make money for sure, all the DC movies have been really succesful on theaters and Blu Ray.

I heard that Suicide Squad is outselling Civil War on ble ray and also outsold Dr. Strange at the box office.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>88989543
>they had to name it after a classic so people gave a fuck
lol

>>88989387
CW was a great movie and BvS was not. That's why one has great reviews from critics and is the highest grossing movie of the year and the other is up for razzies lmao

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>>88990003
>CW was a great movie

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>>88989964
>>Made over 1 billion dollars worldwide
>People still don't know dick about Captain America beyond his looks.
>People know about Superman's parents, krypton, kryptonite, Lois, the daily planet, jimmy olsen, the farm, rivalry against Batman, Luthor...
>even names like Bizarro and Brainiac became regular words because of Superman.
>all Cap has is ''#give_Captain_America_a_boyfriend_stevexbucky

>>88988546
>please pay to watch this crap
Very.

>>88989049
What fairy tale are you reading?

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Netflix cut a deal with Disney to have first rights to streaming a year or so ago, that's why Zootopia is already on there too. It's why Moana and Rogue One will be there before too long as well. Civil War was just the first marvel movie to be affected by this. It's got nothing to do with Marvel's "desperation" but with Netflix trying to retain an upper hand in the increasingly splintered Streaming market.

>>88989428
I liked Age of Ultron just fine, it wasn't great but it was better than Thor 2, Iron Man 2, and the first Avengers.

Also no, the comic Civil War is definitely not better than the movie. I read that shitshow in 2006 and its still just as garbage today. The movie was smaller in scale and the Bucky plot at least gave it a strong backbone as a Captain America sequel.

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>>88989490
Epic racism bro

>>88990071
How? By that logic, going on DVD is an admission of failure.

>>88990050
>all Cap has is ''#give_Captain_America_a_boyfriend_stevexbucky
>even names like Bizarro and Brainiac became regular words because of Superman.

You realize there's a big world beyond what happens transpires on /co/, right? Go to any place where normalfags dwell and ask them if they know who Braniac or #Give_Cap_A_Bf is and I guarantee they'll say the first one is a term of really smart people and the never heard of the second one and would be confused why Cap is gay now.

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Ugh, you're a fucking DC MALE

>>88990162
I'm really glad I don't understand this meme

>>88990123
>and the Bucky plot at least gave it a strong backbone as a Captain America sequel.

Oh my god I'm sick of Captain America movies being about fucking Bucky, not even trying to be childish but that shit its just so gay to me

>>88990158

Yeah but you can go to the same people and ask them shit about Captain America and all they would say is ''has a shield, knows how to fight, his costume is the american flag''

While they can tell you tons of shit about Superman

>>88990234
Like what? Most normies only know surface details about Superman.
They can probably only name Lex Luthor as a Superman villain.

>>88990203
I don't feel strongly about his presence one way or the other, just saying that as far as being a follow up to the last two Cap movies finding a way to wrap the Winter Soldier stuff in with the Accords stuff was a sensible move. The movie is really quite a departure from the comics. Which is good because they were terrible.

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>>88989551
>it's bad to racebend a black guy but okay when it's a white guy
>stop calling this double standard a double standard

>>88988727
Suicide Squad had a very straightforward plot.
You'd have to be really stupid to not know what was going on.

>>88990162
Wouldn't nu-males welcome diversity and immigrants?

>>88988727
>>88990321
Its not hard to follow, but SS is a Frankenstein monster of a movie if there was one. Its basically everything thrown at the wall to give WB an idea on what sticks with audiences

>>88990265
>They can probably only name Lex Luthor as a Superman villain.

While they can't name a single villian from Captain America, not even Red Skull.

Normies also know about Superman's real name, daytime job, Lois Lane, the Kents and the farm, he came from another planet, etc.

Most people don't even remember that Cap used the super soldier serum

>>88990362
I liked it so I'd say that it worked.
I can't wait to see the deadshot movie

>>88990287
>Which is good because they were terrible.

Typical /tvirgin/ detected, the comics are way better than the movies, specially the ones that they used to make the Winter Soldier movie

>>88990321
They're likening it to Transformers in that it bombards you with a bunch of noises and visuals.

It's an obnoxious movie and the Ostrander run deserved better.

>>88990397
Didn't the creator of SS like the movie?

>>88990320
Keep pretending you're not a racist cuck

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>>88989490

>>88990050
and yet people like Batman more than Superman.

>>88990362
>Frankenstein monster of a movie if there was one

Bullshit, the movie works pretty well and the plot goes pretty straight forward.

I agree that the first 20 minutes feel off with too many musical changes, but beyond that the movie works just fine as an action film with some comedic elements, you know, like the comic.

I also understand that a lot of virgins get triggered by Harley Quinn and the Joker because they hate sexy girls hat kick ass and that also like a bad boy like the Joker.

Dorks hated that element of the movie but loved the shit out of it, which is great because I can finally talk with girls about this shit without sounding that cringey

>>88990454

So? Everybody likes Batman, most popular comic book character out there right next to Superman.

Don't change the subject, the point is that after 5 movies people don't know or give a shit about Captain America beyond ''action dude!!!''

>>88990391
We're not talking about Bru's Cap we're talking about Civil War which WAS terrible you assclown.

I don't give a fuck what you think about the movie as a movie because they are a satellite to the comics for me, which is exactly why the comic Civil War was so much more offensive. You are the inexperienced one here if you think that garbage was acceptable.

>>88990463
I didnt mean plot wise, which yeah I agree its piss easy simple. I meant more in tone, "world building",editing, soundtrack, and failed character development. And most people hated the Joker/Harley thing because it wasnt abusive and catered to shipperfags

>>88988983
Except this was edited from the original...

>>88990422
do you need to see a doctor?

i'm afraid not even my grandpa's prescription h can soothe this level of butthurt

OP, you realize it's on Netflix because Disney made a deal with Netflix that literally all their films would go to Netflix after a set amount of time from release, right?

It's not up there because nobody was buying it or some retarded shit, it's up there because money.

>>88990495
And normal people give a shit about Batman because they like how complex he is.

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>>88990564
Take your racism back to /pol/
We don't want you on this board.


-Signed, everyone on /co/

>>88989996
>implying most contemporary moviegoers know jack shit about the original "The Birth of a Nation"
It's an appropriate title that also serves as an ironic allusion to a film that was about the birth of a DIFFERENT national identity, and which in fact depicted the opposite side of the same ethnic conflict.

cw was fun

>>88990634
shut up /co/mblr

>>88990616
>And normal people give a shit about Batman because they like how complex he is.

SOOOO?????

>Hey Superman is better than Captain America!
>Oh yeah?? Well Batman is better than Superman!!! ( And Captain America...)

I don't get what are you trying to say

>>88990389
>I liked it
DELETE THIS!!!

>>88990526
>I meant more in tone, "world building",editing, soundtrack, and failed character development.

Explain point by point without sounding like a retard ''the editing was shit, the soundtrack was too try hard, the character development was shit...''

>>88990526
>And most people hated the Joker/Harley

Nah, most people enojoyed those characters, Harley Quinn became the most popular new character of the year comic book wise. ( Black Panther? Pffff)

>>88990514

Yeah because the Civil War movie failling harder than the comic its such a great thing.

The comic was about politics, the movie was about Bucky, brilliant

>>88990463
I know this girl who will seriously lust over any "bad boy", villain, or monster, almost without exception. We're talking Rick Sanchez, Bill Cypher, both Shadow the Hedgehog AND Chaos from the Sonic series. Hell, she's not even against banging an evil clown--she liked Gamzee from Homestuck. Abusive relationships? She's got the sense to largely avoid them in real life, but the fantasy of them--up to and including rape fantasies--gets her hot under the collar.

Even SHE thought Jared Leto's Joker sucked ass. Found him boring, unremarkable, and kinda' gross.

>>88990862
I don't get what your point is. You sound like a child who's offended not everyone likes his favorite hero.

>>88990966
Politics centred around Bucky, to be fair.

>>88990966
How did it fail harder than the comics? The politics in Civil War was a complete mess.

>>88990966
It would be stupid to make a movie about the 2006 political landscape in 2016.

Face it, it was a lot easier and more elegant to give Cap a personal stake in the events of the film and coherently tie together the Cap trilogy by using Bucky as a unifying element.

>>88990923
Why would I explain to someone whos clearly speaking in a baiting manner?

>>88990923
>tone
The movie tries to be dark and serious while also having everyone quip and blasting out of place pop music all over the place.
>world building
So we've established in BvS that Batman has no issues w/ killing people...yet Joker and Harley are still alive after killing Robin? Not to mention, the SS going after enchantress doesn't make sense when you consider that they were essentially black ops meant to take on shit w/o being seen.
>editing
An example: in the bar scene w/ Joker and Harley; in one shot she's standing up yet in the next she's sitting down and playing w/ her hair.
>soundtrack
As mentioned above, a lot of the soundtrack doesn't match the tone of the movie, creating a jarring scene where we have shitty music blaring in an elevator while Harley is busy fighting a monster.
>"character development
El Diablo says nothing for most of the movie but then is willing to sacrifice himself after one bar scene? The fuck?

>>88988546
This is breddy gud bait

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>>88988618
That's what you've said about every DC movie that got outsold.

This one MIGHT do better than all the Marvel movies of 2017, but will be BTFO by the next Avengers.

>>88990126
>movie about gorillas with guns and dr suess lyrics

At least post a good rap movie.

>>88991167
>The movie tries to be dark and serious while also having everyone quip and blasting out of place pop music all over the place

Dark humor, ever heard of that?

>>88991167
>So we've established in BvS that Batman has no issues w/ killing people...yet Joker and Harley are still alive after killing Robin? Not to mention, the SS going after enchantress doesn't make sense when you consider that they were essentially black ops meant to take on shit w/o being seen.

1- We have yet to see the Batman movie to know what happened to the Joker and why is he alive, he is the fucking Joker after all. Falling from a building while on flames? He surives that. Being shot in the head while in the middle of a collapsing building? You know...

''when you consider that they were essentially black ops meant to take on shit w/o being seen.''

The movie never said that, the whole team was created to find ways to defeat enemies like Superman

An example: in the bar scene w/ Joker and Harley; in one shot she's standing up yet in the next she's sitting down and playing w/ her hair.

So we are talking about small nitpicking moments, not blatantly huge editing problems?
Fine, the movie is not perfect.

>As mentioned above, a lot of the soundtrack doesn't match the tone of the movie

Yes it does. And still your critcism is basically ''it sucks!''

>El Diablo says nothing for most of the movie but then is willing to sacrifice himself after one bar scene? The fuck?

That's part of his redention path, he killed his family and know its time to be redeemed by making a sacrifice.

Not a perfect development, but again, sound more like nitpicking than a huge blatantly obvious problem.


Most of your criticisms sound like either nitpicking or just personal taste.

I mean, I'm not going to say that the movie was fucking perfect or the best thing ever, but as an action film with some comedic elements and fun characters, the movie was good

>>88991221
>but will be BTFO by the next Avengers.

As long as it makes money, who cares?

Marvel making more money doesn't mean that DC is failling.

Again, Marvel clearly panders to families, kids, soccer moms, FUCKING CHINA, so they make more money.

While DC has a movie called Suicide Squad and they dind't removes Katana just to appeal to China, if anything they are pushing the character

Marvel at this moment is just too big to fail, it sounds bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfqkvwW2fs

and it looks bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpWYtXtmEFQ

but they managed to make the cinema equivalent of a long lasting tv-series appealing to the lowest common dominator, like the big bang theory.

>>88991221
>every DC movie that got outsold.
Compare the first 3 MCU flicks to the first 3 DCEU ones and then come back. Face it: your company took the idiot route and is making less money than they could have been making.

>>88991656
Man that Thor scene in the first video. I never thought anyone would be able to fix it.

>>88991455
>Dark humor, ever heard of that?
>Implying it was dark, let alone humorous.
>The movie never said that, the whole team was created to find ways to defeat enemies like Superman
No, the Superman thing was just a bullet point to get people to sign off on it; its true purpose was to perform missions w/o government sanction while also having plausible deniability if any of them get caught.
>So we are talking about small nitpicking moments, not blatantly huge editing problems?
Considering shit like this happens throughout the movie, I wouldn't call these editing problems "minor" anymore.
>Yes it does
Not really, the last thing I expect to hear when someone is fighting some weird rock monster is some shit generic pop song that wasn't even all that great when it originally came out. Music sets the tone, and the music choices we see in SS fail to establish the proper tone.
>5
You can't properly develop a character after one scene, especially when they had no character beforehand.

>>88988546
Disney and Netflix signed a big deal months ago.

>>88991681
MCU took a chance and were working on a long-standing overarching storyline to serve their franchise.

DCEU only had to take what made MCU great, supplant it w/ DC characters, and fix the flaws in the MCU so that it could stand on its own two feet while lighting a fire under Marvel's ass.

Instead, they funded a Superman movie that wasn't even meant to serve as the beginning of the DCEU and completely fucked up the character, they released a followup that featured two of their most popular characters yet failed to reach 1billion dollars, and then released a discount Avengers film that heavily marketed Batman, Joker, and Harley Quinn yet still couldn't beat any of Marvel's heavy hitters.

All DC/WB had to do was give us MCU+, instead we get Snyder's freshman level thesis on philosophy that only appeals to sumo intellectuals and that's why I'll always shit on them until Snyder gets axed.

Can't even talk about Batman w/o "MARTHA" cropping up in conversation.

>>88989551
Ok, so the people who bitched about Gods Of Egypt were totally justified but the people who complained about a Norse God being played by a black actor were in the wrong.

>>88992012
This.

While the MCU isn't without flaw, the story isn't one of them.

To beat a dead horse into Super Death, Civil War vs BvS is a perfect example.

While the main plot in Civil War was the connection of a series of long-standing story threads, and the character motivations fueling the ultimate conflict made perfect sense, even if it did get a little ham-fisted toward the end.

I've seen BvS three times now, once the regular and twice the extended, and I STILL couldn't tell you exactly why they fight.

>>88989049
>5 billion and 99 percent on rt
>Standing applause
>Oscar nominated
Screencap this

>>88992315
The story has always been the weak point of D.C.

I mean holy shit the plane scene of the Dark Knight Rises is hilarious

>>88988727

people need to stop living dellusional lives where console wars will result in one side actually dying like in a real war. Neither marvel or DC are going away. Both are making money.

>>88992533
And DC soon will be dominating

>>88992012
>>88992315
>this mad that the first 3 MCU flicks made less than DC's

>>88992752
They are desperate, they already knew what is coming.

Let's just be smarter then them and let them tell theirs lies

>>88992752
>>88992830
Bragging about beating the first three movies in the MCU is like bragging that you could kick the shit outta The Rock back when he was a toddler. What you should be comparing is the top three movies in both series, since at this point both series are firmly established franchises even if the DCEU is faltering at the moment.

>but it's still early for us though.

Doesn't fucking matter. DC/WB had years to research what made the MCU films successful and have been sitting on IPs that have been established for decades. If they can't bring comparable quality after years of MCU films being a thing, especially after already giving us TDK trilogy, that just speaks to their incompetence more than any perceived collusion you feel Disney is bringing to the table.

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>>88988546
They are.

>>88992688
>And DC soon will be dominating

Yea, WW and JL will totally beat GOTG2, Spider-man and Thor 3.

Who gives a shit? Do you get any of that money?

>>88992933
>Bragging about beating the first three movies in the MCU is like bragging that you could kick the shit outta The Rock back when he was a toddler.

Disney has Marvel's back and they are following a really generic formula based on comedy and CGI explosions.

If anything DC now is facing the challenge between making a good movie and appealing to audiences that have been told that the only emotion allowed in a super heroe movie is ''comedic fun''

>>88993329
>Disney has Marvel's back and they are following a really generic formula based on comedy and CGI explosions.
I wouldn't really call most of the films comedic though. I mean sure, there are quips here and there but it strays into some really fucking dark territory once we reach the end of phase 1.

Course I can't speak for every Marvel movie since I'm still in the process of watching all of them but goddamn, Iron Man 3 was DARK and Civil War acknowledged that hundred of thousands of people have died over the course of the MCU thanks to Loki, Hydra, and Ultron to name a few.

Honestly, I'd even go as far as to say that MCU as a whole is even darker than DCEU, with films like GotG being the exception, not the rule.

>>88993614
>it strays into some really fucking dark territory once we reach the end of phase 1.

Not really.

I mean it does if you start reading between lines but every thing that can be considerd an adult theme is always watered down, they beat around the bush when it comes to talking about them, etc.

I mean, Tony Stark wasn't alcoholic, Cap wasn't fighting against nazis on screen, Ant-man was... a bad parent?? and he got a single ant killed?

>>88993850
That's the thing though, you don't have to beat the audience over the fucking head in order for them to get that shit has gone through some dark fucking territory.

You don't need someone to say "Tony is an alcholic" because you can SEE that he's chugging drinks and pulling reckless stunts throughout IM2.

You don't need someone to say "Cap is fighting NAZI's" because it's set during WW2 and they're mentioned by name in the beginning of the movie.

Hell, we don't even need someone to say "man, Tony sure feels guilty alot" because one of the first things he did after escaping the terrorists is shut down his weapons division b/c he felt guilty for supplying weapons that were used against American soldiers and it's a cornerstone of his character throughout the MCU.

"Show, don't tell" is a cornerstone of good writing for a reason. You shouldn't need someone to say that something is happening b/c we, as an audience, can already see that something is happening.

>>88988618

You've said this every single time

And you've been wrong every single time

coming from one dc fag to another

Please shut up your just making the rest look stupid

>>88990634
I'm a racist and I spend most of my time on /co/

>>88994153
>"Show, don't tell" is a cornerstone of good writing for a reason. You shouldn't need someone to say that something is happening b/c we, as an audience, can already see that something is happening.
Clearly not true since people didn't understand BvS and the MCU flicks all have "tell the audience as much as possible in dialogue" as its main strategy.

>>88988823
For ONCE there is actually a reason why the cast is made of black people.
I wasn't interested at first, I am not interested now, and I probably won't give a shit about Black Panter ever.

The dude is a C-lister and he is only pushed because of diversity. I can believe in a guy who can fly like Superman but an African countrie that is advanced is too much a stretch.

Since normies watch all Marvel shit, I will bring do 500 millions $.

>>88988618
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

K for this guy is actually serious

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>>88989297
underrated post

>>88990368
and where are you getting these stats from my man?

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>>88992752
>DC had access to all their A lister from the start
>Their Trinity lost to fucking Iron Man alone

>>88988546
disney has a deal with netflix, which is why zootopia was released super fast as well

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>>88995009
Didn't the bunny and fox make more cash than Batman and Superman?

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>>88989279
DC will never get a King Shark this good in the movies.

>>88994662
I think you got it backwards mate, DCEU is the one who has incredible issues with spouting exposition, not Marvel.

Ofc, that's assuming you watched MCU films in the first place.

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>>88994667
>I can believe in a guy who can fly like Superman but an African countrie that is advanced is too much a stretch.
i'm curious to know why you think this

>>88989253
Why is this a problem "now"?

>>88995358
Well it's false advertisement isn't it?

>>88989490
Blazing Saddles

>>88994667
>The dude is a C-lister and he is only pushed because of diversity.

yeah, just like Ant-Man and Doctor Strange.

>>88993329
If the DCEU copies this formula I'll probably be done with cape movies

>>88988546
What are you talking about

>>88990003

>>88990003
B V S wuZ KEeNo....dahhhh I liKE..mooVieS.. heh ...heh..

>>88996203
they have to if they want critics and audiences to love them for the few years before everyone gets tired of the formula

>>88996336
>>88996203
>>88993329
I keep hearing people going on about the MCU having a "formula" or some such but nobody really goes into detail about what this formula is supposed to be.

Like it's always vague elements like "quips" and "explosions" but then I watch DCEU movies and they have quips and explosions too.

So what's this formula that MCU has that DCEU lacks?

>>88996336
Its worth it financially, but I've never wanted to rewatch an MCU film. They just feel bland at this point

>>88996537
I agree, but they're still decent movies competently made.

Even the worst MCU movie (Thor Dark World, IMO) has a story that makes sense from beginning to end. It's not particularly special or noteworthy, but it still works on a conceptual level.
DC still has yet to get that part right.

>>88996476
I feel it might be some sort of soul, or as actually common people would say, sense of correlation.

In the MCU, we get people who become heroes after struggling with both physical, psychological and personal issues, and while most of the time they still have that issue (except for Iron Manlet at the end of IM3, but then again, that's the whole point with Tony that he'll always have flaws) they manage to do what's right at the end of the day, they overcome their fears, and they become "heroes", yes, they might not be what we always expect, but they actually do what's right.

While the DCEU tries to sell the idea that those guys, whatever they do, will be considered as gods, when most of the times the flaws in the direction of the films make them less than clay statues, except for Batman, because he's the goddamn Batman.
However, BvS ended up alienating even more their fanbase, due to Zack the Hack not being able to write an actual conflict that forces both Batsy and Supes to fight, and the fact that they did BvS as a fucking sequel to Man of Steel, when they should have waited to blow their load with the batwank.

Which ironically is the complete opposite now with DC's Rebirth vs Marvel Now! 2.0

>>88996651
I had no problem with MoS, and the Ultimate Cut redeemed BvS for me

Suicide Squad was total crap though, and I felt it was because it was in the awkward area between the taking itself more seriously tone of the DCEU and the witty banter tone of most MCU films

>>88990050
A shame DCEU is putting the legacy that Donner films gave us into the trash
>tfw MoS hardly did more than fucking Thor 2

>>88997330
I'm Pretty sure The Quest for Peace did that already.

>>88991510

>Marvel making more money doesn't mean that DC is failing.

If you fail to see how DC stands no further chance, there's no hope for you

>>88991681

>Face it: your company took the idiot route

Is this the only way DCfags know how to function? Pointless company wars?

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>>88989196
The sad thing is that the webm is cut a few seconds too early to catch the throat chop.

She chops him in the throat, then while he's stunned, she stifles his breathing with chest shots. In some Russian self-defense classes, lightweight people are often instructed to strike for the throat first, then "prime the chest" to strain the breathing that follows, which is an effective tactic, but something that's looked down on PROFESSIONALLY, so it almost never comes up during any sort of training outside of self-defense classes.

You'll never see it in MMA matches or other martial arts contests because it's as equally unsportsmanlike as biting a person in the balls.

Which is what she did precisely that in that clip, which is why he's clutching his throat instead of getting impactstaggered, because she barely needs to do much but beat on his chest a few swift times after the initial throat chop to keep him stunned since he can't properly get air into his lungs.

She's basically choking him with strikes....unless you're just complaining that she's not scissoring again. If he had instead been a lardass, those punches wouldn't have done squat.

>>88993213
>Yea, WW and JL will totally beat GOTG2, Spider-man and Thor 3.
>Thor 3
that should be a given

>>88998902
You should know better. /co/ is too triggered by a woman hitting someone and being successful to acknowledge the reasoning behind it.

They have too or they might end up being too TUMBLR.

>>89001528
Cool, once again, DC/WB masters the art of outperforming the weakest link in the chain.

Literally just watched this. How the fuck did nobody notice that Zemo wasn't the psychiatrist? Tony literally brings up a file and a video showing the real guy. Was nobody paying attention?

More importantly it seems that Zemo was planning for them to reach SIberia the whole time? He was really lucky that Bucky wasn't killed and that both Cap and Tony happened to learn about Siberia on their own. Also that they didn't talk it out beforehand and that Wanda's house arrest happened to keep Steve from signing the accords.

Also nobody on the accords side seems to be bothered too much that they lock people up in an underground prison and keep Zemo (a dude with literally no powers) in a tiny box for an indefinite amount of time. What the fuck?

I liked the movie but there is some dumb shit in it.

>>88988803
I've seen Suicide Squad twice, once with a group of non-nerdy friends and another time with a somewhat nerdy friend. Both groups said they were uninterested in seeing Justice League by the end of SS.

>>88994667
Read comics

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>>88989490

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>>88989392
>>88989253

You don't know what you're talking about

>>88988983
This is edited...if you have to lie to support your opinion, how do you to realize it's a shit opinion?

>>89008625

It's funny, even if it wasn't it was still easy to follow. I'll admit the early Black Widow scene was editing weird tho

>>88992752
You do realize Marvel started out with literally who's right? All their A-list was at Fox or Sony. They JUST got their only A-list Spiderman back.

The fact they made impressive movies out of C to B-listers is fairly impressive anon.

Compare it to DC, which had everything going for them... well fuck what else is there to say?

>>89009135
Gotta make dem cents, huh son?

>>88989413
Not if your an investor whom WB promised 1billion box office

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>>88989608

Eh, Cap 1 is half great and half terrible

>>88989879

It's interesting how you're saying things without actually backing them up. Like, at all

>>88989879
>better everything (characters, plot, visuals
I watched both MoS and BvS and I can tell this is bullshit.

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>>88989879

BvS has good visuals, excluding the third act. Everything else?

>>88996476
To me the MCU formula is a movie being
>The main protagonist is usually optimistic, jokes sometimes and breaks serious tension with an unnecessary joke
>Has a love interest but doesn't do much except provide moral support for the hero
>Main antagonist is kinda underdeveloped save for certain iconic ones like Loki and Ultron
>The main antagonist almost certainly dies or is never to be seen in the sequel.

Granted not every Marvel movie follows this formul abut it's bound to be its own weakness, like how Dr. Strange cut out a couple of dark parts because it didn't "agree" with test audiences.. People would say that Antman's trying to copy Ironman but in reality it's actually a neat movie that stands well on its own, besides leaning towards Avengers 2 for one part.

>>89009349
>>89009441
>>89009512
>gotta bump my thread or I won't get cents

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>>89009669

Not my thread, but ok

I refuse to believe people actually feel this way about DC and religiously defend them.
This has to just be trolls fueling the fire.

>>88989253
>>88989434
To be fairt there's diversity beyond race.

>>89009669
>>89009175

>Complains about extended conversation in a thread dedicated to conversation

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ITT: Another bait thread about Marvel doom & gloom predictions that quickly turn into infantile nitpicking of mercurial and superfluous issues like amount of CG used, movie length, ethnicity of the cast, "but our comic books are better", etc to cast shade on Marvel.

As if it isn't painfully obvious all the people bashing Marvel in these threads haven't watched any of the MCU movies beyond phase 1 and just parrot whatever negative things they've heard other people say about them in hopes that it sticks.

>>88988727
No one ever said that Suicide Squad is going to be good.
It was all "muh shoehorned Joker this" and "Hot Topic" that.

>>89009689
>>89009707
>>89009754
>>89010420
>>89010449
>any cents today.mp3

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>>89010544

>>88989253
>>88989434
Isn't that article being sarcastic...?

>>88989879
>Fact is, the DCEU has better everything
>characters
I think it's stretching to call those things in DCEU movies "characters". They're just walking talking archetypes.

>>89011291
Because MCU characters are so DEEP, right?

>>88988823
>film set in an isolated and xenophobic african country
>mostly black cast
Jeez ya think

>>89011307

>More muh company wars nonsense

If MCU didn't exist, these movies would still be garbage

>>88990203
Then maybe bucky shouldn't be such a great character?

>>89011307
They're actually characters, compared to the cardboard cutouts the DCEU uses. This is the key thing that's ruining the DCEU's popularity.

>>88990413
He did say so. Wether it's true or he's just being pushed by the studio is up to debate. I like to think he did like it, Ostrander seems a cool dude and deserves to be satisfied with the adaptation of his work.

>>89011325
>If MCU didn't exist, these movies would still be garbage
More muh company wars nonsense.

>>89011353
>ripoffs are characters
lol. More muh company wars nonsense.

>>89011348
He isn't.

>>88990413
>>89011357
That explains mouseketeers being extra butthurt.

>>89009588
The only Marvel movies this applies to is Phase 1 movies that take place after before "The Avengers" and "Thor: Dark World." At least of the movies that I've seen.
>Granted not every Marvel movie follows this formul abut it's bound to be its own weakness, like how Dr. Strange cut out a couple of dark parts because it didn't "agree" with test audiences
We're talking about a cinematic universe where hundreds of thousands of civilians have died, a series that featured a terrorist who used a drug that made people become so hot that they atomized thier victims once they exploded, a series where a character was mind-raped into becoming a killing machine for the military, and motherfucking Ultron.

If "dark parts" didn't sit well with test audiences then that means that they were straying too fucking far into some fucked up territory considering how often the MCU drifted into some fucked up territory so far.

>>88991681
>Little known characters take time to build up momentum through good movies
>Retards like you kill famous character franchises' huge momentum by making shit movies
Who is the retard here?

>Muh company
>Your company
Holy fuck the company war delusion. More like you belong to the company you fucking shitty shill asset.

>>89011307
Considering they've spent a dozen movies allowing us to know who they are, yeah, I'd say that they are in fact deeper.

>>88992752
And Iron Man did just decently while IM3 broke a fucking BILLION.
Guess what, unknown characters don't go around making blockbusters without set up.

>but muh baman and muh supahman
Are two very well known characters from the beginning. The fact that the franchise is going -downhill- rather uphill while failling to break a billion a single fucking time should tell that to you.

>>89011592
More like they forgot to tell who they are, being too busy with the quips and the boring fights.
>needing 6 movies to develop a character
JUST

>>89011625
>Trying to set up every major character that is set to protagonize their own movie in a single one without anyone giving a shit about them previously and without great sense of novelty

>>89011602
>IM3 broke a fucking BILLION
>the movie was universally reviled and then duly forgotten
>Bats and Supes are as famous as ever, no matter f their movies flop or make good bank
Downhill, yeah.

>>89011643
>without anyone giving a shit
True.

>>89011657
>Universally reviled
Nah the movie was generally only reviled by comics fans shitting on changing the goddamn villain into a joke.
That said normies still ate that shit up, and guess why: because the other movies made them like a character that they didn't know before.
Yes, because people didn't fucking know Iron Man before, you goddamn moron.

>BvS fails to break a billion
>Those weekend drops
>Compared to TDK
>Mfw this nigga hasn't even asked people their general opinion on BvS outside of the fatfucks on /tv/

>>89011691
>still ate that shit up
True, normies love shit movies like IM3.
>BvS fails to break a billion
And there is no death of the franchise. Nice, isn't it?
>the fatfucks on /tv/
You're one of them, anon. Don't pretend to be a comic fan or something.

>>89011657
>Without anyone giving a shit
Now you're going to say "look DC has more famous characters other than Marvel's Spider-Man, this means that Marvel having to MAKE them famous is an instant failure! DC is succesful for shitting on establissshed ones inssstead!"

This is like some kind of non-causal logic derived from the fat-riddled brain of an obese manchild.

>>89011625
Actually they did tell us who these characters are and we see how they develop over the course of the MCU.

It was a risky move all things considered but now people know who these characters are and can explain why they do the things that they've done by going. It's generally what you're supposed to do with a protagonist, develop them as they complete their arc and show that they've changed over the course of the series.

What you don't do is just shove four new characters into the same movie and act as if non-comic book readers are going to know who these people are w/o the gravitas that would normally follow their appearance. They should've given Superman, Batman, and WW a solo film before dawn of justice hit the streets, rather than shoving it in as the second film and blowing their load too soon.

>>88988823
Marvel didn't say anything. That was said by some far left idea promoting site.

>>88994667

>an African countrie that is advanced is too much a stretch.

They have unique mettallurgical resources, technological resources, and they had considerable help exploiting them by gods/aliens.

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>>89011716
>Marvel having to MAKE them famous is an instant failure
Yes.
>obese manchild
Whereas you're a muscled adult despite being in a 4chan board, huh?

>>89011720
>the MCU is le capekino

>>88989279
Do you seriously want Grant Gustin in this shitfest?

>>89011711
>True, normies love shit movies like IM3.
Have you even seen IM3?
>And there is no death of the franchise. Nice, isn't it?
Each movie has gotten lower and lower critical scores and makes less money overall than the last one. At this point, WW and JL are being done out of obligation more than anything else.

>>89011711
>Ahahahaha you are a /tv/ fag!
It's a widely known fact that BvSfaggotd praising "snyderkino" and acting like "muh franchise is doing fine" are /tv/tards.

>You aren't a comic fan either
Oh really? What gave you evidence to back that other than the fact I'm not a retard incapable of cromprehending "set up"

>>89011744
>Fedora pics
>Snyderkino
>Muh mahvel is a failure
>DC has better characters to begin with
Yep, compared to you I must be fucking Adonis.

>>89011744
>MCU is fedora-tier
>While DCEU is only remembered for sumo intellectual drivel and ham-fisted christ analogies.
Hmm

>>89011750
>Have you even tasted this poop?
No thanks.
>are being done out of obligation more than anything else.
Like the third movies in every MCU trilogy...

>>89011751
>I shill the MCU for free BUT I'm not a /tv/-tier loser, I swear!

>>89011763
>I must be fucking Adonis
Into men, huh? That explains a lot.

>>89011764
See? They're the same crap at the end of the day.

>>89011775
Are you saying that you are being paid to shill for the DCEU?

Nice, how much does WB pay you?

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>>89011789
>DC shills are paid a salary
>Marvel shills do it for free

>>89011775
So if you've never seen IM3 then how can you have an informed opinion on it? Because some random /tv/-tard claimed it was formulaic and you're incapable of forming your own opinion?

Give me a break.

$0.02 have been deposited into your account.

>>89011788
>Oooh look at how hot and big Snyder is lifting
>Oooh look at how hot big and hairy Cavill is
>Damn look at Affleck's ass!

Yeah, DCfag. You guys are so straight!

>>89011803
When your movies are shit you can't just hire volunteers.

>>89011788
No mate, I'm making fun of you because you call something fedora-core while defending a director who is basically a christian fedora tipper himself.

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>>89011806
>I-IT'S JUST ONE GUY! NO ONE CAN DISLIKE MUH MAHVEL CAPEKINO BUT HIM!

>>89011807
>resorting to homophobia
Lucky that Marvel Studios don't pander to sjws, huh?

>>89011775
So your opinion is based on what people told you to think?

>>89011803
>Marvel has genuine fans who can have a civil discussion on their movies.
>DC can only throw shade at better franchises rather than improve their craft and give us a decent movie.

>>89011826
>Haha you like men!
>You are also homophobic
Can you decide which card you're gonna play?
This is reeking of desperation to create comebacks.

>>89011817
Unless you boss is Ike Perlmutter.

>>89011818
>GRRR RELIGION OFFENDS ME
Edgy, kid.

>>89011834
No, on liking real movies. Movies without capes, from other decades, etc.

>>89011838
>Marvel has genuine fans
Not since the last two years. Only shills remain.

>>89011826
How are we supposed to argue the quality of a movie when you've never actually seen it?

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>>89011850
Easy.
>Disney logo
>Marvel logo
Movie discarded.

>>89011846
Nah, just pic related.

>>89011870
Oops, time to hit the gym. Being a DCfag, you know...

Bye, and thanks for the laughs, mousey tongues.

>>88994667
>The dude is a C-lister and he is only pushed because of diversity. I can believe in a guy who can fly like Superman but an African countrie that is advanced is too much a stretch.

Depends on where the country is located. Most of the Northern African countries were quite wealthy and roughly as advanced as Europe due them being next to the Mediterranean and interacting with different cultures. It was the southern most half that remained in a more tribal state due to the Sahara creating a natural barrier to keep people from wanting to trade.

>>89011849
>1
I have nothing against religion, I have everything against shallow elements thrown in just to make the movie seem deeper than it actually is.
>2
I've seen MCU threads that started and ended fairly amiably w/o DC shitflinging but I've yet to see a DC thread where it didn't derail itself just because someone said "DC/WB is fucking up" or "MCU sucks, muh CGI, muh quips xD"

>>89011870
We're done here. There's no point in arguing with a shill.

Partisan bait isn't even required to be bait now, does it? Now all you have to do is say "this exists" and that's 500 posts of shit flinging and everyone thinking they "won".

>>89011998
This is generally what happens when you're dealing with an entity that's contractually obligated to like a film regardless of its quality.

>>89011428

That's a horrid attempt at a comeback, anon. Try harder

BvS wishes it was on netflix

>>88990413
And Alan Moore hated Watchmen.

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>>89011850
see this

this means quality

>>88988618
>still believing in DC movies

?????????? I'm no marvel fag but you're being a little silly.

>>88988823
Isn't this movie in wauconda, a country made up of blacks?

>>89012702
Moore never saw the movie.

>>88989434
Makes sense. Movies with mostly white people are lauded as diverse both "sides"

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>>89011826
I recognize that reaction image, you're that autistic kid who can't wrap his head around the idea of opinions =/= facts.

>>89013248
Well everyone else hated it, does that count?

Marvel Movies
- Marvel Fans Love them
- Audiences Love them
- Comic Nerds Love them for capturing the fundamental essence of the source material inspite of things lost in translation.
- Critics Love them
- Make bookoo bucks at the box office
- Have built a pop cultural upswell of character/brand recognition for relatively obscure Characters among casuals and fans alike with their movies.

DCEU Movies
- DC Fans don't love their movies, they just hate the MCU movies they don't watch.
- Audiences are typically confused and put off by them; at best unsure how to feel about them
- Comic Nerds argue over the butchered depictions of long cherished characters for the sake of the film's dubious narrative and tone.
- Critics don't care for them
- Make bookoo bucks at the box office using the characters to sell a mediocre-bad movie rather than using a good movie to sell the characters.

>>88991656
This guy is trying to get hired by Marvel.

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>>89001806
It's nothing to do with her being a woman. Anon focused too much on the size/weight disparity and was ignorant of what was going on in the image due to that. If it was Kevin Hart instead of Widow, anon would've said the same shit.

Again, not Woman or Man. It's weight class. Widow's depicted as a better fighter than Hawkeye in the films, but If she were forced to brave a full-power haymaker from Agent MACK, she's guaranteed to hit the floor. There's no amount of wishing and hoping that can change what happens when a sledgehammer crashes into a cinderblock, so the same physics applies here.

Widow's skills involve her finding a way to NOT get hit by Mack's haymayker and do her absolute best to delay Mack and do all in her power to swiftly subdue or kill while sustaining an absolute minimum of damage to herself. Widow delivering straight jabs at Mack's chest at close-range with NO windup would be like surprise-catching a gallon jug of poland spring water, so that's not doing much....unless Mack's out of breath or choking on something.

>>88988869

Chains is in a Pickle!

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>>88988869
Considering the context, fuck yeah, bucket of sandals.

Don't want to use the bucket of sandals?
She ain't got any other helpful/obstructive projectiles to get in the way of an impending gunshot or reach from afar and last I recalled, her name wasn't Reed Richards, Plastic man, Dhalsim or Luffy, so....

You also have to think that a person that is potentially ex-hydra or otherwise as trained as these guys look would know better than to open fire when an ally is in the crossfire and want to score a clean hit, so pretty sure being obstructed by a basket of sandals qualifies as having a dirty target, especially if it fucks up your aim.

But no, let's point and chuckle at lelkekklememe teh dum basket of sandals.

if it wasn't for that basket of sandals, Widow would have been shot, the batmobile would have lost a wheel and the joker would've gotten away, so eat a dick.