1 hour long simpsons episode

>>88951949
>spider pig is back!
So fucking what
>The simpsons movie is almost 10 years old
Oh my god...

I'm sure Boco, Cordless, and the three other people who still watch the Shitsons will be interested to know this.

>>88951949
they probably had a bunch of ideas and wanted to use them all without having to choose which ones to use, explaining the bloated length

it'll all be a horribly paced mess with boring animation lacking any sort of voice direction anyway. standard fare modern simpsons

Christ, after that shitty-ass movie I hoped to never see that fucking pig again.

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>spider-pig is back

>>88951949
IT ANGERS

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I wish they'd never started writing that show for children

>>88951949
Why are they pretending Spider-pig was a popular thing?

>>88953353
It was always written for children, you just grew up.

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I thought that Spiderpig gag was stupid back when I was in middle school when the movie came out. Who actually found it funny?

>>88953570
south americans

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I feel so out of touch with normies today.

>>88953416
Because it was. That stupid ASCII pig was everywhere, from early social media, to forum signatures, to IRC rooms.

>>88953570
The test audience, movie changed quite a bit based on their opinions.

>>88953595
I feel like the Youtube comment section is a step below normies; a collection of dumb kids and people with genuine mental conditions. The kinda shit you see there is only topped by stuff like Miiverse or Roblox.

>>88951949
Stories for years

>>88951949
>tfw daydream about rebooting The Simpsons
>back to stylized animation
>back to golden age style of comedic delivery/tone, characterization, etc
>fire Al Jean and have some new blood as the showrunner
>except now it deals with modern culture, new fun characters are introduced, and the cast ages over time
>Fox would never go for it because it would be risky, expensive, and could potentially alienate whoever the hell is still watching the show

unpopular opinions: not all of the new simpsons episodes are bad

while a lot of them are bad, not all

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>>88953353
>>88953422
>children

>>88951949
Because they've never done an hour long episode. That's literally the only reason, because they haven't done it.

Same reason why they keep renewing the show, because they haven't topped Gunsmoke yet (but they will soon).

>>88957404
>They've never done an hour long episode

Is it actually an hour long or is it just a two parter? Because if it's the latter, "Who Shot Mr. Burns?" would like a word with you.

I can just see it now, a gag where they acknowledge the episode is longer and they have nothing to do so they just sit around twiddling their thumbs for a full sixty seconds

>>88958505
They already did that in a regular length ep. It was in Season 5's "Homer and Apu" where they all hug Apu at the end and then there's a slight awkwardness until Homer notes that they still have some time left until the episode ends and suggests they hug Apu again.

There's a bit earlier in the episode too following the "Who needs the Kwik-E-Mart?" song where Homer notes that they wrapped everything up much quicker than usual, only for them then to hear Apu crying on the roof.

The Family Guy/Simpsons crossover also had a joke about the episode being longer, when Peter snaps at Lois outside the courthouse he says "Sorry, I'm tired because we usually only do these things for half an hour".

>>88957369
Cartoons love to slip in jokes for the adults who will most likely be watching TV in the same room as their overly-indulged children.

>>88953595
well taika isn't entirely wrong. the last 6 years have been a massive improvement over the 7 years prior to that. still not 'back to glory' though

okay so what, I heard this hour long episode was going to be simpsons doing gatsby like family guy just did. was that not right? because I couldn't imagine that being the case

>>88957343

not unpopular, just plain wrong.

>>88957343
Honestly it's not worth watching a show that has mostly bad episodes and the occasional not-awful one.

>>88962983
nobody is watching simpsons because it's "worth it"
they're watching because it's been a part of their lives for so long. it's like family at this point. the simpsons has made us happier than any actual people we know.
when your son loses his way and goes off to a life of crime, then comes back home, you don't focus on how he's still a fuckup, you praise him for holding down his new minimum wage job and try not to notice how all the drugs have permanently fucked up his head.

I checked the Fox tv schedule it's not an hour long.

Its a musical parody of the Great Gatsby featuring the cast of Empire.

In other words, most likely another mandate from Fox, like that opening where they sing Ke$ha.

Yes, its true. Not everything the Simpsons does is by choice. Try not to let that warp your fragile minds.

>>88951949
It seriously took them this long to piggyback (hur) off the only thing people remembered about the Simpsons Movie?

That's incredibly late, even for the modern Simpsons writers.

>>88953821
>>88953595
>>88962747
12 year olds like forced, "lol random" humour? Wow, that's so shocking.

>>88953821
I'm beginning to think they're bots and weird Indians.

>>88953422
>it was always written for children

Uh huh...

Pretty sure Spider Pig was in a bunch of episodes after the movie.

>>88958340
It's a single hour-long episode. I wasn't counting Who Shot Mr. Burns because it aired across two separate seasons.

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>>88957343
It's just so unfunny and lost all its charm. I feel nothing from the new episodes. The writers are nihilistic assholes, complete jerkoffs who want to shoehorn their libtard opinions and stupid art film ideas and I'm so sick of the voice actors' shitty, formulaic lines, because they're greedy fucks who don't want to do more than two takes. It's like watching a WatchMojo video. At least current Family Guy gives me a sensible chuckle here and there.

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>>88952897

>>88953595

>I remember this Simpsons movie
>2 likes

The level of intelligence of people who post comments on youtube

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>>88951949
Why are they bringing back a gag most people got sick of and then promptly forgot nearly ten years ago?

>>88958340
>[thing] would like a word with you
I want to tear your head off for being so obnoxious.

>>88967535

Their out of ideas they have been for years

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>nuSimpsons

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>>88952028
>The simpsons movie is almost 10 years old

>>88952028
>>88967690
I watched it again yesterday. The politics have aged horribly.

>>88953422
Fuck off, Moviebob.

>>88967535
The writers find it funny because they're mentally unhinged or something.

>>88957098
>fire Al Jean and have some new blood as the showrunner

Get some people from /co/, we couldn't do a worse job.

The movie could have been amazing if some of the outtakes/unused scenes are an indication. Tragically, Fox watered it down to almost nothing to appeal to normalfags who don't watch the show.

>>88968491
Oh yes we could.

>>88967624
But how are Lisa and Marge minions? There are no female minions because women are smart.

>>88957098
>and could potentially alienate whoever the hell is still watching the show

Boco and three autists on NoHomers?

>>88957098
I remember King of the Hill originally planned to have the characters age over time. Probably was for the best, though I would've liked to have seen a 10 years later special.

>>88953821
Youtube comments and Reddit are disturbingly similar. Well, no, scratch that, even Reddit comments are more intelligent than that.

I just don't get how it took 10 years for them to make an episode with the pig again

>>88968596
The only outtakes I remember are the ones with the secondary characters in springfield (singing the springfield anthem when they think they're going to die)

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>>88960949
true

>>88969014
At least they didn't reuse that Colin dude, because fuck that guy.

>>88967566
Are you on the spectrum?

>>88963021
Put your trip back on, Boco.

>>88969060
He actually appeared in a few background shots

>>88969060
The writers intended for Milhouse to get his groove on with Lisa, but Fox made them use that character instead because "Derp he's more marketable to girls, durr".

Even worse than that, Yeardley Smith said that Colin should become Lisa's recurring love interest on the show, but of course the writers just ignored her.

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>>88953570
It's like the cow fight scene from Kung-Pow. Only dumb normalfags think it's funny because it's easy to understand, when actually every other joke in the movie is funnier(in Kung-Pow's case anyway, I don't remember much from the Simpson's movie).

>>88966919
>The writers are nihilistic assholes, complete jerkoffs who want to shoehorn their libtard opinions and stupid art film ideas

Every last one of them should be shot, also Al Jean should be shot.

>>88969239
>Even worse than that, a female writer's opinion was ignored by the writers
fucking good

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>>88968767
women are smart

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>>88957369

I always imagined Nu Simpsons writers as being art school rejects who wear huge hipster glasses and wool sweaters.

>>88969338
/thread

They supposedly get 3 million viewers per new episode. But who the fuck are these people that would subject themselves to this shit?

>>88970126
I guess people like Boco with congenital deformities.

>>88957098
Forgetting--the show should go back to being what it originally was, about a town of blue collar greasebags, not hipsters who hang out with celebrities and go to wine-tasting festivals.

>>88970247
yeah really.

>>88969985
I always think they're graduates of Yale, Harvard and other upscale colleges like the writers on Futurama.

>>88970318
The original writers were mostly Harvard grads though.

Been having a real shit time trying to find stuff to watch and just relax to, saw a couple old episodes last night, the one where Bart has an army after the school bully and the one where he steals the head, from Season 1. It's been a long ass time since I've seen any episodes aside from a few new ones (usually just bits during channel surfing) and I'm wondering, when should I have a cut off line? I'm wanting to know how much I should be planning on so I know when I should start thinking of another series to watch.

I downloaded the movie in 1080p Bluray or whatever but haven't got to it yet, probably will tomorrow. I remember liking it decently.

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>>88968950
>Youtube comments and Reddit are disturbingly similar. Well, no, scratch that, even Reddit comments are more intelligent than that.
This from someone posting on 4chan.

>>88970850
>Been having a real shit time trying to find stuff to watch and just relax to, saw a couple old episodes last night, the one where Bart has an army after the school bully and the one where he steals the head, from Season 1. It's been a long ass time since I've seen any episodes aside from a few new ones (usually just bits during channel surfing) and I'm wondering, when should I have a cut off line?
Stop at Season 10. It's not hard.

>>88969239
Good. Writers shouldn't take ideas from voice actors.

>>88971368
Yeardley is an idiot anyway if you've seen any interviews of her.

>>88971368
Especially not the fucking woman that's done what she has, fucking bitch.

>>88971528
>>88971529
Explain.

Yeardley is kind of a douchebag desu. she gets mad if they do episodes where Lisa is wrong or is shown to have any flaws, she thinks Lisa should be a perfect, always correct, and wholesome role model. also she tries to tell the writers how to do their job.

>>88971761
wow

>>88952897
I miss the Simpsums. Damn lazy Joe.

>>88951949
No clue why anyone would want to remember Spiderpig, but...

>>88972069
She doesn't like Lisa being sexualized at all. I think she spoke out against the rule 34 and also wants the writers to keep her pure.

>>88972069
>>88972150
Well, she is 8 years old...

>>88972059
Joe is a huge SJW anyway.

>>88971528
also she broke up with boyfriends on the spot because they asked her to do Lisa sex voices. like literally every other VA on the planet gets a kick out of making their characters say dirty stuff.

>>88972150
>I think she spoke out against the rule 34

As if that's going to stop us.

As bad as all of Zombie Simpsons is, I will especially voice my objection to the future episodes which I find almost cringe-inducing.

>>88972367
Lisa is basically just Yeardley's normal speaking voice though.

>>88972464
Not quite. She does Lisa on a higher pitch and with a slightly different intonation.

>>88972173
Well, Yeardley's not. She can call it disgusting, but she acts like they're making porn of herself.

at least Tara Strong knows how to have fun with the shit.

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>>88972435
What. The. Fuck.

>>88953422
This honestly

>>88972945
What happens when you hire writers who really wish they were working on Futurama.

>>88973028

>>88968114

>>88966919
Fox had fired several long-time writers and a lot of the ones they have now are lower cost freelancers.

God the writing on this show is so cheap and cynical now.

>>88957098
Eh, you can't save the Simpsons anymore.

The reason why "modern day Simpsons" doesn't work as a concept is because the Simpsons were designed with 90's Americana in mind, which is why the show gradually degraded as it moved out from that era.

They've straight up exhausted the concept and the setting. There's nowhere else to go with Springfield.

>>88973280
they should have aged the characters up desu

>>88971067
Do glass houses not have heating or cooling? god I'd to buy one just to have it beautiful once and then bird shit, salt stains, other stains, and leaves make it a dark dungeon of no escape.

>>88952087
>I'm sure Boco, Cordless, and the three other people who still watch the Shitsons will be interested to know this.


...Jesus Christ. Every time I think I've I've reached the peak of the mountain of suck that is Boco, he keeps proving me wrong.

>>88973390
Boco is congenitally deformed and lives on disability. I actually kind of feel bad for him.

>>88973548
wow really?

>>88973624
Yeah he has a deformed body and his only hobbies are watching the Simpsons and posting on 4chan. Poor guy.

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Cordless though, goddamn is that guy the apex and summit of autism.

>>88973722
I love how he does all that shiny coloring to cover up his absolutely terrible grasp of anatomy.

>>88973722
This man has been at it since Clinton was president.

If /co/ wrote for the Simpsons, Lisa would be killed in every episode and the Chinese baby would be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine.

>>88973664
I feel worse for 4chan, having to deal with a tripfag posting on it constantly.

What was the purpose of Spider Pig?

Is it just a joke relief?

>>88973966
He also posts rants on NoHomers about how terrible the show is now, but he won't stop watching it.

>>88973362
terrible idea

>>88973280
the crappy writing has nothing to do with "it was a 90's thing"

>>88974245
>terrible idea

Well, it would be if you let Cordless do it.

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Go buy a book on color theory for crissake.

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>>88953821
yeah but miiverse is enjoyably bad

>>88953595
I know that feel

I think the episode is an hour long so they can have the mandatory 30 minutes of Lisa but also get to focus on someone else for fucking once.

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And do I need to mention how awful and lifeless the HD animation looks?

>>88974245

Let me put it this way: Every single IP, without exception, has an expiration date. Basically how much you can play in the community swimming pool before you get sick from all the piss and shit in it.

nuSimpsons has terrible writing a lot of the time, but not all the time. The problem isn't that nuSimpsons has terrible episodes, most nuSimpsons episodes are just forgettable.

The whole premise and setting is just exhausted. There's nothing interesting left to do with it, without changing the setup so utterly that it might as well be another show.

>>88974525
That too. They're forced to ramp up the number of Lisa episodes to justify what Yeardley Smith is paid to voice one character.

>>88974580
>nuSimpsons has terrible writing a lot of the time, but not all the time.

>some Zombie Simpsons episodes are actually good
No, just no, ok?

>>88974580
I would say that they all do have terrible writting
And yeah the amount of things you can have them do lowers over time, but they havnt had a good episode in over a decade, you cant blame the ip for that, only the writers

In the end, they probably should have aged the characters up at some point because they just about ran out of stuff you can do with the characters at their current age.

>>88951949
>haha remember spider-pig? That was so funny back then haha we're totally not desperate for views or anything haha

Just restarted season 1

Where should I stop watching lads?

>>88974463
I hate how people draw themselves.

>Dare I ask
I hate this shit too, it's annoying how /co/ keeps using it too.

>>88974707
Even if they repeated themselves, it still doesn't excuse the smarmy, cynical "we don't give a fuck anymore" writing and forced celebrity appearances/hipster crap.

>>88974838
8 if you want a seal of quality. About 12 to see the show degenerate into garbage.

>>88974838
Season 9-10

>>88974723
That's why they've had so many flash-forward episodes.

>>88974838
End of season 8
The frank grimes episode is a great Simpsons ending, acknowledging that things are getting silly

Season 9 has some good epsiodes

>>88974669
>>88974707

Not "good" writing, just not god awful writing. There is way worse shit on television than nuSimpsons, it's absolute milquetoast shit most of the time. If it were truly awful, it would garner more attention than the occasional "wow, the Simpsons is still on?" whenever it does attention whore shark jump #2782 like now, at least from places like /co/.

You could bring a team of the best writers of Current Year and they could not resuscitate the Simpsons, not without turning it into a completely different show.

The constant appeals for attention and character degradation is only a result of that. Out of truly good original episode concepts, they just start flinging shit at the wall, which is what results in the truly awful Simpsons episodes we see from time to time. At this point the writers just want attention, good or bad, and they will never get it because the Simpsons are no longer culturally relevant, and they never will be.

>>88975130
Are you kidding i think the writing is fucking awfull
People are just dumber these days, combined with the fact that people just love the simpsons, that's why its still watched

>>88951949

>Season 28

Fucking hell

When will the writers finally make a Scientology episode so Nancy Cartwright can quit, thus ending the series?

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>>88975934
>implying Fox doesn't have multiple backups lined up for every voice actor.

>>88974994
Which are all shit and written absolutely terribly.

>>88976037
Julie Kavner would be hard as hell to replace though. I've never heard a single Simpsons impressionist who can recreate Marge accurately and without sounding like Miss Piggy with throat cancer. Apparently Kavner has a weird nodule on her vocal chords that allows her to sound that way.

>>88976059
What about the future episodes is so bad? I've never watched any of them except Lisa's Wedding.

>>88975105
>The frank grimes episode is a great Simpsons ending
No it's not.

>>88976283
They all spam the same stale jokes from LW on repeat, only worse.

>>88976536
>Bart is a bum
>Maggie doesn't ever talk
>Lisa is a supergenius
>Milhouse is jacked on steroids
>cheesy, completely unfunny Futurama/sci-fi jokes

The Lego episode was...okay.

>>88967535
I wish I knew.

If they showed Lisa naked, it would go a small step to making the show watchable again.

>>88977377
>show more naked lolis
Dammit, that's /co/'s solution to every show's problems.

>>88973548

>and lives on disability.

Nice assumption, asswipe.

>>88974463

Every time I see this I laugh.

>>88968491
>Get some people from /co/, we couldn't do a worse job.
you motherfuckers would be checking your phone every 5 seconds instead of doing script rewrites and storyboard revisions

then when the higher ups tell you about the deadline you'll probably call your parents

>>88978141
Fuck off, Al Jean.

Spiderpig wasn't funny then and it's not gotten funnier since.

http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/1809216

Unused outtake from the movie.

>>88953595
Errrghhh...

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>>88953595
>I feel so out of touch with normies today.
>in a Simpsons thread on /co/ no less

>>88966919
>complains about shoehorning libtards opinions
>likes Family Guy

>>88976037
Castalanetta, Azaria and Shearer can all be feasibly replaced. Every white guy who does voices can do those characters.

Bart, Lisa and Marge are a little more difficult but there's no doubt Fox will find someone who can.

>>88979330

Marge should have been replaced years ago.

>>88978459
>image not found
Come on anon

>>88975130
>Homer and Marge are getting divorced not really
>You decide of Flanders and Mrs Krabbapel get together!
>Crossover with Family Guy... and Futurama!
>Guest directed couch gags
>Did someone say celebrity guests?

Any other hacktacular publicity stunts I'm forgetting?

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If you've had 2 episodes almost of the same exact title, you've gone too far.

>captcha

>>88979507

Wow, Captcha has a dirty mind.

>>88969338
Someone please find the tweet where Al Jean calls nuSimpsons 'the most perfect vehicle for satire ever'

I get the feeling he has completely convinced himself the show is still great just to get through the day.

>>88979608
>I get the feeling he has completely convinced himself the show is still great just to get through the day.

Matt Groening does this too, difference being I think Jean actually believes it.

>>88979330
I can do most of Azaria and Shearer's characters. Their voices are nothing that unusual.

>>88979330
Homer is already cast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZjRyKOcSCg

>>88974904
I'd say 11 is a better spot to stop at. Behind the Laughter could be alright for a finale despite 11 being wonky.

>>88971163
No, stop at season 9. Season 10 is overrated and sucks

>>88980329
BTL is a trash Scully era episode.

>>88975385
>People are just dumber these days
>he thinks people haven't always been fucking stupid
*tips fedora* I too wish to go to more enlightened times, like muh 50's

>>88979380
http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/260100

Wrong link.

If you haven't filtered Boco's trip, you should do it now.

>>88978840
Most of Family Guy is unwatchable, but it's recently been tolerable to watch now. They toned down on the politics, gore, and unusually long segments. They also stopped bullying Meg. But I'm just saying, it's got at least one good joke per episode, unlike Simpsons.

>>88980850
Also it doesn't get as pretentious as Nu Simpsons to the point where you realize that every episode is about the writers trying to do that experimental movie they never got to make in college.

>>88951949
Spider pig wasn't even the name of the pig, it was a single gag he did with the pig. What the genuine fuck?

>>88981020
Plopper was his name.

>>88973280
I don't agree, I really think it's because of Al Jean. He's so resistant to any kind of criticism and has let the show stagnate. No good showrunner would accept the low quality of modern Simpsons' animation, or the terrible plots, or awful characterization. If the Simpsons had a showrunner who actually gave a fuck and believed in some semblance of quality control, the show would massively improve. This is assuming, of course, that Fox would actually listen to what they had to say.

It's not merely a matter of relevancy or running out of ideas, you can see a clear dip in quality when the showrunner changes to Scully, and then another dip when it changes to Jean. They are simply not good showrunners.

>>88981110
I think Jean lives in some kind of fantasy world desu.

He should have been fired in Season 15 or so.

>>88981266
He does. I really think he believes the show is as good as it was when him and Mike Reiss were running it in Seasons 3-4.

>>88980352
yeah it's not great

unfortunately the simpsons does not need to do anything worthy to be considered a good show anymore. its whole existence is to break records and to keep the money train coming for fox, that's it.

I've read Jean's now the third man in charge behind Brooks and Groening and brought into the show and has no interest in stepping down. Another reason for Al's continued presence is the simpsons production is now a very streamline production compared to the classic era. That is why Mike Scully was able to stay on a 4 seasons because those 20 hour shifts were becoming a thing of the past.

All the writers like working for Al Jean. The fact that showrunner tenures are supposed to last 2 years is the only possible reason he has to leave.

>>88980893
Like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG3VoX52nmk

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>>88952028
What are you talking about it came out in--
>2007

>>88951949
Spider-Pig was the best forced meme 10 years ago fuck you.

>>88981850
>All the writers like working for Al Jean

Duh, he doesn't expect any work from them.

>>88981855
There is a timeline where this could have worked.

This is not that timeline.

>>88981110
Most of the other showrunners have admitted to making mistakes/not doing thing as well as they could have, but Emperor Alpatine refuses to admit even that much.

Obviously I can't hate him as a person since I've never met him but I do hate his lazy approach as showrunner. He had the chance to bring the show back on track after the over-the-top Scully era but instead, he just made it worse. And it really makes me wonder how much control he had during Season 3 and 4. Was Reiss the brains of the operation during that time? All his earlier work as a writer were with Reiss. His first episode as a solo writer, 'Lisa's Sax' was pretty good (though I have a few problems with that episode) and I think 'Mom and Pop Art' is decent (Despite its Scullyness) but the decrease in quality is evident during these later episodes.

I've yet to see how Jeans first three teen seasons were an improvement over the Scully era. If anything, it's the same ol'crap we saw in seasons 11 and 12 but less funny. And the fact that he's been the showrunner for so long didn't help at all. As someone else mentioned, showrunners should only do two seasons each.

>>88972313
Worst, he's a contrarian, but i still liked the simsums

>>88982326
Problem is, even if you fired all the current writers, it's not as easy to replace them as you think. There isn't a huge number of TV writers in the business and the best ones out today are working on shows like The Big Bang Theory and The Middle. Back in the classic seasons, the Simpsons attracted some of the top writers in the business. Today, I doubt many of them would waste their time on this burned out shitshow.

>>88982326
who exactly hires/fires showrunners? Matt Groening?

>>88982414
James L. Brooks and Richard Sakai. Of course, having good chemistry with Matt doesn't hurt, it's one reason Dave Mirkin was hired, him and Matt were bffs.

Replacing the showrunners was as much politics as it was creativity. One reason why they hired Dave Mirkin was to prevent a power grab by Sam Simon after his controversial departure. Rotating showrunners ensured that all of the writers would have a stake in the show and neutralize Simon's power. This was less of an issue by Season 13 when it was clear that Simon was never going to go back into TV producing.

I doubt anyone today would have the discipline or work ethic to produce an episode like Last Exit To Springfield or The Way We Was. Also I can't imagine the atmosphere in the writing room is very stimulating nowadays.

>>88982395
Shows in season 28 tend not to attract young talented writers with something to prove, it attracts hacks who are looking for a steady paycheck working on a show where all the characters and stock-stories are already set up.

Like, it's not even a case of the scripts being "not that good" but really a case of the scripts being TERRIBLE not just by the standards of classic Simpsons but even by the standards of current TV comedy in general.

>>88951949
1. It's Harry Plopper.

2. I'm still waiting for all those deleted scenes.

>>88982573
This is exactly my biggest problem with it. It's so strange to me that even basic plot structure eludes them. I'm sure part of it is a product of laziness and running the well dry of ideas, as everyone's said, but I still don't get how they don't understand how to make a plot go from A to B to C. Or that things introduced at the beginning have to payoff and be resolved by the end. Often they can't even stick to their own internal logic over the course of one episode.

My best guess at it is that it's a byproduct of the series being sapped of ideas in that they feel like they can't do a simple story anymore. They can't just have straightforward, grounded stories about the characters because we've seen them all so everything has to be over-the-top and veer off in strange directions multiple times throughout the episode. So I guess in other words my theory (and it's really one that's being quite charitable to the writers) is it's a misguided attempt to make everything feel new that just results in chaos.

Also, maybe they're trying to do the thing the show often did of having a first act that was almost a non-sequitur that really just served to set off the main conflict. But they forgot how to pull that off and they also do it every act so the whole show is madness.

Occasionally I still see people making the ridiculous claim: "Yeah, the Simpsons isn't so good anymore, but it's still better than most of the stuff on TV."

Really? If that was the case, holy hell, would TV be in dire straits. Television's currently experiencing something of a golden age and the Simpsons is this bizarre, boring mess that can't even keep track of its own narrative within one episode.

>>88953595
It's not normies. It's people with shit taste.

Back in the 90s (Remember the 90s?) The Simpsons was the hottest cartoon in the WORLD. Bart was fucking everywhere. There were albums made. There were rides. Plural. Video games. Like six fucking video games, at least. A comic. TWO comics, if I recall. Only Mario had a bigger footprint. It was the show everyone knew, watched, and quoted.

But look at it now. No hype at all. Nobody really cares it exists. Sure there were a couple games after the movies but nobody talks about it. It's just there.

Season 1 opened to 12 million households. Season 12 hit 14.7m.

Season 26-28 have been hovering in the 2-3 range. Shit is just as niche as any other cartoon now.

>>88982688
>It's not normies. It's people with shit taste.
aka Boco

>>88953821
>I feel like the Youtube comment section is a step below normies
it's worse, it's one of the few places on the internet that can be more offensive and cancerous than 4chan at times.

I think the writers just aren't really into it much anymore. The show established itself long ago, and they know that FOX will probably accept any episode that's given to them so they can keep the show running. So the writers might feel that they don't really have to try anymore because there's nothing at stake.

>>88982477
>>88982395
That's an interesting theory. What are your thoughts on John Swartzwelder and his lengthy tenure? The quality of his later episodes is debatable, but I always thought he was consistently good. But, this is definitely something to consider.

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>>88969715
>>88969757
>mobile posting

>>88982763
Having a few long-time writers like George Meyer and John Swartzwelder didn't hurt. They brought stability and understood how the show was supposed to work. But Swartzwelder did honestly stick around a bit too long. He wrote some absolutely brilliant scripts in the early seasons, then was reduced to the level of Simpson Safari. Even some of his middle-period episodes were spotty, although since the writing was a collaborative effort, a lot of it probably shouldn't be blamed on him.

So having a few long-term writers doesn't hurt. But when about half your staff has been around more than a decade, then you have a bit more of a problem.

>>88982813
I thought JS's scripts during the Scully era were just mailed in (literally) and the staff had a free-for-all with them.

There's a high chance it'll take the Looney Tunes route. That'd suck so much. We're already in the "Friz Freleng" years, if you think about it.

>>88982825
Pretty sure he mailed in all the time, he was notoriously introverted. He's a good writer but the quality of the final product was very dependent on the main staff.

>>88982850
>>88982825
He stopped coming into the studio and just wrote his scripts from home starting in Season 7.

>>88982836
Whoawhoawhoa. Fritz didn't start sucking until the tail end of the '50s and even then it's debatable.

I'd like to hope it ends before Harry Shearer dies.

>>88968006
Fucking this.

Al Jean won't quit short of death. He did leave the Simpsons in the mid-90s and didn't experience much success with his career. After all, he has a lifestyle to maintain (he supposedly once owned a $3 million house).

Also Fritz Freleng was awesome. Don't bash him.

>>88982939
I think he's talking about the later period Warner Bros theatrical shorts (1955-68).

As great as FF's earlier cartoon shorts were, he did a lot of damage, especially to Daffy Duck, even before the period in question. He turned Chuck Jones's greedy slob into a cold, cynical asshole, setting the stage for some of the worst Daffy cartoons ever.

Getting back to the Simpsons, I think Season 9 or 10 would have been the perfect time to end the show.

>>88982975
I think the 1955-64 cartoons were still decent, but the 1964-66 ones were dreck, and the 1967-69 ones even worse

>>88982121
This post is just copy pasted from Nohomers.

Is that you Cordless?

>>88982939
>>88982975
If you ask me, both Freleng and Jones completely jumped the shark in the '60s, but Freleng directed The Three Little Bops which makes up for the other lame as fuck shorts he did in the '50s.

>>88951949
From the thumbnail I thought it was a Simpsons/Family Guy crossover

>>88967566
t. Aspie.

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>>88983091
Pic related. Dude's /r9k/ personified.

>>88983185
I always found this logic astoundingly retarded.

>because some couple you happen to know gets divorced, it means everyone with a family on the planet are miserable

>>88983120
Speaking of which, what's your favorite and least favorite Looney Toons character? I personally can't stand Foghorn Leghorn.

>>88983238
Taz mostly because I can't mentally disassociate him from the shitty merchandise/clothing worn by white trash in the 90s.

Eh? I love Foghorn. I don't like the Three Bears, Taz is one of the worst LT characters ever, Pepe Le Pew is one of the least funny Chuck Jones characters, and Wil. E. Coyote and Roadrunner are only ok in small doses.

Porky and Tweety. Too much Foghorn in one sitting and he's annoying. I tend to root for the underdog in those ones.

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Let's get really obscure and animation geek-tier here. The worst LT character IMO was Buddy. He was created in 1933 by one of the animators to replace Bosko (remember him? we had a thread about him on /co/ the other day) and apparently they forgot to give him any personality (Bob Clampett said that he was just Bosko in whiteface). His cartoons were so bad that they nearly resulted in Warner's entire animation division getting shut down. Buddy's schtick pretty much consisted entirely of singing and dancing to whatever Warner-owned song they needed to plug. Luckily, Tex Avery joined the staff in 1935 and showed them how to make good cartoons, after which Buddy was put out of his misery.

One of the Looney Toons collection DVDs has a couple Buddy cartoons on them and it's hard to sit through the things without wanting to reach for the vomit bag. As much as you may dislike Pepe Le Pew or Foghorn Leghorn, at least they tried to make the audience laugh.

I don't like Taz and Tweety, and Marvin the Martian isn't that great. He's not a terrible character, but all of his cartoons are exactly the same and it gets boring.

>>88983271
The Three Bears are pretty annoying, except for their very first appearance where they're paired with Bugs Bunny. Papa Bear was just too much of an asshole to make them enjoyable.

Also agreed that Daffy in the '60s became absolutely terrible. Only Chuck Jones really understood how the character was supposed to work, everyone else just made him into a punchable douchebag.

>>88983417
>and Marvin the Martian isn't that great. He's not a terrible character, but all of his cartoons are exactly the same and it gets boring

Disagree. Granted, there are some distinct similarities between "Haredevil Hare" and "Hare-Way to the Stars", but the Instant Martians in the latter picture definitely help to set them apart (not to mention those incredible Maurice Noble layouts). "The Hasty Hare" is incomparable to the other films, as it actually brings Marvin to Bugs' environment, not the other way around. And of course, "Duck Dodgers in the 24th 1/2 Century" puts Marvin into the formula of Chuck Jones' Daffy and Porky movie parodies of the '50s.

Mad as a Mars Hare from 1963 was definitely a low point though, as that was during Chuck Jones's "Let's make every character talk nonstop for 7 minutes" period, and also the animation is pretty dull.

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>>88983335
Watch the Porky shorts made by Bob Clampett in the '30s. Brilliancy.

And when you're watching those pig cartoons, also give this one a spin. It isn't Porky, but is a terrific cartoon and it inspired the THOH4 segment, in which Homer meets the Devil.

Also I never understood why they used Granny so much.

>>88983521
IMO, Tweety completely lost it after Granny was introduced. Prior to that time, his entire schtick was that he was this cute little bird that was actually a violent asshole who'd kick the shit out of Sylvester. He's extremely active in his three Bob Clampett cartoons and even some of Friz Freleng's early turns with him (just look at all the stuff he does to Sylvester in the first two minutes of "Bad Ol' Puddy Tat").

But after Granny was introduced, the entire dynamic changed. Now she was beating up Sylvester while Tweety just sits there and watches. Freleng said that he deliberately toned down Tweety as the series went on, and I personally think that was a mistake. (Granny had potential, though, and Freleng realized it in "Hare Trimmed", one of her only appearances outside of the Sylvester and Tweety series, and one of the funniest Bugs/Yosemite Sam cartoons ever made)

Wil. E. Coyote vs Roadrunner. I could deal with multiple outings of Elmer/Yosemite Sam vs Bugs/Daffy, but I swear, every last Roadrunner cartoon was the same fucking thing.

By the way, Chuck Jones said that the reason for creating Yosemite Sam was that after a few years of Elmer vs Bugs, people started feeling sympathy for the former. Elmer was more pathetic than evil, and Bugs started to just look like a bully so they needed a new, more asshole-tier antagonist so Bugs would always come off as the hero. He also said people don't like Pepe Le Pew because he's much more like the typical man than we'd care to admit, the guy who wants to flirt with women and get into their pants while being totally unaware of how creepy he is.

>>88983445
The turning point for Daffy was CJ's "The Scarlet Pumpernickel" in 1950 when they wanted to experiment with Daffy in a serious, dramatic role. Jones apparently liked the incongruity of Daffy playing the romantic hero (and completely bungling everything up), so he ran with the idea of Daffy trying to do things he couldn't do...like one-up Bugs Bunny.

Which is probably how the hunting pictures happened. When you have three characters in a cartoon and one of them is Bugs Bunny, obviously Bugs is going to outsmart the other two. In that situation, Daffy became what Jones called a "self-preservationist", willing to do anything to keep from getting his beak blown off his head. And that sense of selfishness eventually turned into greed and cowardice as the '50s went on, as displayed in Jones cartoons like "Beanstalk Bunny" and "Ali Baba Bunny".

And FWIW, Chuck was the only director to use the greedy Daffy persona for most of the 50s, And he didn't introduce the idea of Daffy being jealous of Bugs' stardom--that was Friz Freleng's idea, who finally started using Jones's characterization of Bugs in 1956, and made cartoons like "A Star is Bored" and "Show Biz Bugs". By the 1960s, Daffy's characterization had become such an exaggeration of his self-preservation behavior in the hunting pictures that the directors started casting him as a catch-all villain, such as in Phil Monroe's incomprehensible "The Iceman Ducketh" from 1964, or (more infamously) those horrendous Daffy and Speedy cartoons from the post-shutdown era.

>>88968006
>horribly

>implying Trump won't actually use the line "I was elected to lead, not to read" at some point during his presidency

Lord, I hope this shitshow ends soon. Al Jean is a completely braindead idiot. I'd rather not see the show still going in 10-15 years and have Kavner and Shearer gasping for breath when they read their lines and Dan Castallaneta just uses his normal speaking voice for Grandpa.

>>88983846
Harry Shearer is a dickhead anyway. He's literally phoned in his lines for years and his voice acting is best described as a combination of getting old and purposely doing a shitty job out of spite (ha ha, I'll still get my $250,000 paycheck anyway)

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>>88953595
I'm surprised there are so many people who had fond memories of the Simpsons movie. I saw it in theaters when it came out and barely even remember anything from it aside from Springfield being quarantined by a giant dome. The only part I remembered people really laughing out loud was the part in the gas station where Bart scribbled over the family's wanted poster and coincidentally another family looked exactly like the new poster.

You can replace the cast, though it won't really be the same. I mean, Bob Bergen can never really sub for Mel Blanc or sound the way Porky Pig did in the 40s and 50s WB shorts. All the vocal tics and other nuances Mel did were integral his characters. I'd also argue for that matter, the later WB stuff from the 60s onward as Mel got older and put less effort into voicing them.

>>88972059
He still lurks and posts wacky screencaps whenever anons comment about his twitter antics.

https://twitter.com/Joetivational/status/711988125711646720

>>88972313
Naw.

Advertising revenue from The Simpsons primetime airings amounts to $5.35 billion.

>>88984069
That's kind of funny, given how its primetime airings get really low ratings now. Can Fox lose money from low ratings on a TV show? They don't seem to realize the more the show goes on, the lower and lower the ratings get, and they're already pretty bad now.

>>88983958
For a guy in his 70s, Shearer is still phenomenally active. He's always traveling, doing stage plays, and a radio show.

>>88953821
Yeah, from my experience it's mostly really young kids, like younger than ten and Indians who make up the majority of it these days since everyone else stopped reading the YT comments.

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>>88983958
I rewatched Gorgeous Grampa and wow, Harry really can't pull off a Mr. Burns musical number as good as he used to. Whether that's due to him getting old or just not gaf anymore or both is hard to say.

>>88984147
Shearer still had a pretty good amount of energy there, but I do agree his performance was a lot weaker than in, like, Two Dozen and One Greyhounds.

>>88984175
I think the song threw me off because they didn't do any sound effects for the whole number. Burns is silently hopping around, bopping people on the head, and throwing things. No sound effects at all. It really made the voice stand out.

>>88984147
Yeah, Harry's characters have gotten worse voice-wise. I always wonder how he can do the voices over the phone and make them sound so clear. I wonder if it's his phone or some sort of technology they use to make him more understandable. But anyway, Harry is the oldest, so it would make sense that his characters' voices have deteriorated the most. That and the general not-caring thing.

>>88953595
hitler was right all along

My main annoyances with Zombie Simpsons voice acting are pretty much the same as everyone else's. Marge sounds like complete trash now, some of Harry Shearer's characters, especially Burns, the endless parade of Tress MacNeille background characters, etc.

All of the characters sound older than they used to, although that's probably inevitable. Mel Blanc in 1975 didn't sound like he did in 1945.

Also, is it me, or does Yeardley Smith sound practically unchanged over the years? Nancy Cartwright held up really well for a long time although since 2010 or so she's starting to sound old. But Yeardley's basically the same as she was in Season 4.

>>88984331
>Also, is it me, or does Yeardley Smith sound practically unchanged over the years? Nancy Cartwright held up really well for a long time although since 2010 or so she's starting to sound old. But Yeardley's basically the same as she was in Season 4

Eh, IDK. Yeardley hasn't changed all that much over the years although Lisa used to sound cuter and more girlish.

>>88984354
Yeardley seems like she mostly just uses her normal voice in the recent seasons, though I agree she's not changed much since the classic seasons.

>>88984331
Tress MacNeille blows. It would be nice if they could hire some different VAs to voice side/background characters.

>>88984390
They won't because money.

>>88984261
Shearer's delivery now is just flat. I guess Ned Flanders probably sounds the best out of his characters now and Burns the worst.

Julie Kavner sounds like shit, at least with Marge--Patty and Selma are still decent.

Dan Castallaneta still does a really good job overall, you can tell he still genuinely cares about his performances.

Nancy Cartwright is not quite as good as she used to be, but she's still pretty decent even if Bart sounds more annoyingly nasally than he used to.

Tress MacNeille needs to die. She was great in the classic seasons, still good up to about Season 16 or so, but now barely tries anymore.

>>88984378
She's been doing that since at least Season 8.

>>88984563
Off the record, Shearer has said that Burns's voice is fairly throat-straining and he does need to drink a lot of water and use throat lozenges for it. I imagine it's even less pleasant as he's aged.

None of the VAs are still as bad as Clarence Nash and Mel Blanc were at the end. I mean, their last performances were pretty sad. Those last times Mel voiced the Looney Toons cast in the '80s, it's dramatic how different he sounds from the classic-era cartoons. But then he was well past 70 and also smoked like a chimney.

>>88984378
I should add that Yeardley is only 51, so I wouldn't be surprised that she sounds pretty much the same since the classic seasons. Harry Shearer was already pushing 50 when he first got the job.

>>88984563
Kavner can't manage it consistently, but sometimes she's still able to sound like Season 5 Marge.

It's not so much the VAs getting older that bothers me, it's the total apathy of their performances and bad voice direction.

>>88984775
IDK, but upon rewatching Season 17, I notice her performances vary every episode. Most of the time she sounds ok, a few times she's awful.

>>88984563
Bart does sound oddly more helium voiced than he used to.

>>88984563
>>88984702
Otto sounds quite bad in the HD seasons but that voice can't be very enjoyable for Shearer either.

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>>88953595
>tfw know one of those people

>>88953595

Lets be fair, Youtube Comments have always been a bastion for retards and toddlers.

>>88984753
Yeah sure, people's voices change over time, as you said, Mel Blanc in the '40s versus the Reagan years. His characters sounded a lot lower-pitched and less energetic as he aged.

>>88984825
Agree about Otto and that Shearer very likely doesn't enjoy doing that voice anymore.

Marcia Wallace wasn't very good towards the end either, Mrs. Krabapple sounded very phoned-in, not to mention her voice was way deeper in her last years.

>>88984775
I think she's still pretty consistent with Patty and Selma, though we don't see them as nearly as often and of course they sound different from say season 6 but then everyone does.

>>88951949
>havent had material for 30 mins now for over a decade
>lets make a 1hr episode

honestly I think I'll try and get a pool going to see if you can sit through the full hour.

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>>88953595
You don't know the half of it.

>>88985021
> Pepe crop on Grindr
w- what?

>>88984195
Yeah, he sounds tired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhRy9lsLt8A

>>88984753
Compare how young and high Bugs voice is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CsFAbV4lMY

compared to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDHp7V61Y_E

>>88985108
The only decent Simpsons musical number in years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC-YcW9un1Y

>>88985021
wait a second...
this guy is a fake! he doesn't know the rich, intricate history of the pepe meme!
maybe after spending a good 10 years on the 'chan, he'll learn what real meme history is...

>>88953595
>i'm so special and cool because i'm not like the ordinary normies peoples
Lol at channers vomiting "special snowflakes" despite acting like hipsters

>>88976750
>>Bart is a bum
Didn't Bart end up becoming Chief Justice in an early episode? What happened to that shit?

>>88982395
>the best ones out today are working on shows like The Big Bang Theory and The Middle.

If those are the best ones then just shut down american television already

>>88985222
DESU the difference between 35 year old Mel and 72 year old Mel isn't as dramatic as you made it sound, although he definitely didn't put as much effort into his acting from the 1960s onward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKjUtTC3e0Y

Of course here's Bugs in WFRR, Mel's last performance of the character, when he was almost 80. Oddly enough, he sounds higher pitched than he did in that 1980 short, although the flat delivery and lack of acting here is stark compared with the classic era Bugs.

Clarence Nash really sounded like death warmed over in Mickey's Christmas Special, but Donald's voice would be brutal for a much younger man. Mel Blanc even quit doing the rough-voiced characters in his later years.

>>88953570
I remember watching the movie at school at like age 14
The only thing we laughed at was barts penis

>>88984800
>Bart does sound oddly more helium voiced than he used to

That's pretty strange because especially in the Ullman shorts and Seasons 1-3, Bart sounded really low. You'd think it'd be the reverse, that Nancy would have sounded higher-pitched when she was younger and gotten deeper with age. HD season Bart almost sounds like a girl.

>>88982688
>It's not normies. It's people with shit taste.
aka Boco

>>88983225
He's welcome to sit alone for the rest of his life in a dark room surrounded by his 60 seasons worth of Maggie & Eric fanscripts.

>>88985222
at least none of the Simpsons cast smoke 3 packs of cigarettes a day.

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>>88984331
Goku sounds like exactly what he is, an 80 year old Japanese woman. :^)

>>88984702
Didn't he not want to do Marvin Monroe because the voice was hard on his throat?

>>88986243
Correct. Also Matt Groening said that MM honestly wasn't that great or funny of a character.

South Park has recast a bunch of VAs, did they not?

>>88966505
they were 2 when the simpsons movie came out

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>>88986181
Reminds me of Superjail Season 2.

>>88951949
>cant fill the usual 20 minute slot
>try to make an hour long episode
kek good luck

>>88953422
there is nothing kids care about more than marital problems and jokes they arent old enough to understand or references they arent old enough to get.
Maybe it was just a show so well written that everyone enjoyed and it didnt need a gay, a trans and a black character for people to like it

>>88986312
Trey and Matt voice 90% of the male characters though. They did recast Wendy after MGB offed herself, but were kind of touchy about that for a while and tried to rewrite the character to be not as much girl Cartman like she was in Season 1.

It's bizarre that we're now to the point that if Simpsons had ended years ago when it was supposed to, we could've possibly seen a revival series right about now.
and the revival would've been better than the modern episodes

>>88982672
>Television's currently experiencing something of a golden age


Well, you're right animation wise, but the rest of television outside of animation has sucked for years