Why aren't western comics popular in Japan?

>>88944141
Not enought fanservice.

>>88944141
Because the Japanese have higher standards.

To give an example, one of the few western comics to ever get even a cult following there is Hitman. It took literally the best comic ever made for the Japanese to even notice that it existed. They're too used to comics that are actually competently written and competently drawn, so they look and the garbage that gets published in the west and just immediately dismiss everything by association.

Too much diversity.

>>88944536
I don't know a western comic with at least 90% blacks so I dunno why you said that

At first thought the guys on the right were Ollie, Lance And Canary, before I realized it was Snart, Michelle and Glider

Also why the fuck are anime characters always floating around in mid air?

>>88944141
Arent capeshit movies popular over there? The boring answer is that long running western comics are notoriously difficult to get into for outsiders. Japan is used to a work drawn and written by one individual (or a small competent group) with a focus on consistency, telling one linear story. Comics are a clusterfuck. Character personality and even backstory vary depending on the writers whims. Progress is ret conned, art is anything but consistent, and though there's technically a point of origin for each character and story, you have to read about a thousand other comics released over the span of 50 years to get there.

>>88944708
*Mick
Not Michelle

>>88944141

Austism time: Why not just say American comics when thats what you really mean?

Just say superhero comics anon because that's what everyone else is think you're talking about.

The guy who wrote Rurouni Kenshin was a huge Marvel fan, which is why RuroKen has characters whose designs are based off Gambit, Venom, and Apocalypse.

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>>88944733
Capeshit movies are pretty popular. There's baymax stuff all over the place.

>>88944141
they allegedly love spider man

>Why aren't western comics popular in Japan?

The same reason bollywood movies aren't popular in America.

>>88944141
they love spider man and batman, dontcha know

>>88944141

i mean western comics aren't popular in the west

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>>88944141
There's a cult following but it's usually for DC and Marvel A and B-listers.
Limited accessibility+lack of translations could be a reason.
The western comic stores there actually do have free comic book day surprisingly.

>>88944998
It's Disney Anon
Disney's huge

>>88944465
Hitman only got a following there because of Dogwelder and a fan translation

>>88944733
A lot of Japan's iconic "superheroes" (i.e. not Goku or Naruto) are Live Action (Super Sentai, Kamen Rider, Ultraman, etc.)

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>>88945010
It's because he had a tokusatsu and two manga there.
They also like bugs.

>>88944465
>Naruto and One Piece are the most popular comics in Japan
>"High standards"

>>88945135
Naruto ended two years ago
Make way for fucking Boruto

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>>88945135
You forgot Bleach.

>>88945135
>not wanting to embrace proletariat taste

>>88945135
Yes, they're popular among the otakus, but they aren't among the rest of people, shonen is not as read as you might think in Japan

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>>88944879
The guy who made Yu-Gi-Oh is a westaboo whose favorite western comic is Hellboy
>>88945202
Bleach actually had a huge drop in popularity over the years.

>>88945269
what do normal people watc/read in japan then?

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>>88945202
Never forget
http://imgur.com/gallery/XcMWY

>>88945269
>One Piece
>Not popular in Japan
One Piece Film: Gold made almost $50 million in Japan alone. Pretty sure it's popular.

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>>88945269
>shonen is not as read as you might think in Japan
The stats disagree.

>>88944465
>the Japanese have higher standards
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>88945392
>implying anyone in this world can claim superior taste over anyone
they probably saying very similar things over there

>>88945135
Nips have shit taste: news at eleven

Are Marvel/DC comics even localized in Japan?

>>88945108
japanese spider man is pretty based

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>>88945437

Stylistic and art direction choices are too different for them, also the lack of mythology or historical references that relates to them. Japan art and designs also tend to be better

>>88945453
He's the reason Toei put giant robots in Super Sentai.

The women are drawn like women and the men are drawn like men

Japanese like manga because everybody is feminine and the waifus all look underaged

Could you really imagine an insecure Japanese guy waifuing someone like Wonder Woman?

Also, strong female characters tend to trigger them, watch any Transformers Western series that gets shipped over there, they always fudge with the female characters who in the west are strong warrior types and in one case turn that character into a shota male, and in another case turn her into a ditzy airhead

>>88944141
They aren't unpopular. However, due to the coloring and paper they're printed on, they're more expensive, and the Japanese have their own, more diverse manga, of course. So they just aren't as big a segment of the market. That doesn't mean they aren't liked.

Damn Americans always want a bigger slice of the pie.

Nationalism and xenophobia.

>>88944297
'Tis the main reason tho

>>88945269
Shonen is the only genre that makes money anymore, aside from anime and manga that exist to pander to otakus (looking at you Love Live)

>>88945535
>Stylistic and art direction choices are too different for them
Are you saying they don't like it because it doesn't look like anime? Because the original Teen Titans cartoon should've been a hit if that argument held water.
>the lack of mythology or historical references that relates to them
As>>88945073 points out, Disney is huge in Japan and there are very few references to Japanese culture or history in Disney works.
>Japan art and designs also tend to be better
Looks like somebody didn't read the thread.

>>88944465
I was gonna call you on your shit because
>manga
>high standards
But I noticed you just meant "higher" and objectively Japanese strips are superior to western's. You still a faggot though.

>>88944141
All their desire for autistic power level bullshit is sated by DBZ.

>>88945678
>Nationalism and xenophobia.
>Implying these things don't exist in the West.

>>88945646
>Japanese like manga because everybody is feminine and the waifus all look underaged
So you obviously don't know what you're talking about

They have their niche.
Grayson and Gotham Academy were the first and third places, I think, in their biggest popularity contest.

>>88945557
>spider man actually changed stylistic direction
spider man of all people is someone i do not associate with robots, and yet this is wesome

>>88945269
>the whole state of (you)
Shonen is as casual as you can get in Japan, nigger. The comics you mean are followed by hard otakus and whatever the hipster equivalent is for the japanese.

Because they have their own comics. LOTS of them.

>>88945701
No that's not what I'm saying it's exactly what>>88945745 said

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>>88945762
This is it

>>88945742
>the whole country of memerica
>half of Europe
Nice bait. Tell your mom's rapefugee I said hi.

>>88945701
Also because they already have comics about pretty much anything the it over in the west and then some

>>88945776
What does >>88945745 have to do with >>88945535?

>>88945786
that is pretty awesome

>>88945814
You're right anon. Everyone in America and Europe loves refugees!

>>88945828
His first sentence that they have their niche and usually don't explore much out of it

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>>88944141
Because
They can make their own western comics

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>>88945762
The giant robot in Samurai Pizza Cats was heavily based on Leopardon, too.
>"Okay, development's done, let's get into production."
>"Wait, Bandai says we need to put in a giant robot."
>"A what? Aren't those flight packs enough toy fodder?"
>"No, we need to make a giant robot, stat."
>"Shit. Okay, what sort of robot should out cat hero pilot?"
>"Didn't Spiderman have a robot that transformed into a Sphinx and stuff?"
>"Yeah, let's go with that."
>You know. wouldn't it be funny if the hero never actually got to pilot this damn robot? Like if every single episode, some contrived distraction or inconvenience prevented him from boarding it."
>"Brilliant! That'll show those bastards at Bandai."

>>88946044
>9 main rangers
How else are they changing the formula?

>>88946110
Female Green, 4 of them are non-human

>>88946178
>4 of them are non-human
Nice

>>88944465
>The japanese have higher standards
kek. Then how come they never created a manga series with art as good as Alex Ross's or writing as good as Moore's?
How come they like shit?

>>88945269
You stupid faggot, Shounen is the only genre NOT liked by only Otakus

>>88944733
So chinks are casuals.

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Because they do it better.

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>>88946778
Why create something just as good when they can make something 100 times better. Both the people you mentioned are mediocre and shit compared to what Japan is packing. This also is better than anything the West has produced

Because they're not about sports.

How come Japs seem to draw anything outside of a generic animu style and hate everything that isn't in that style? Even Magic the gathering had to get it's perfect art shit on for Jap shit taste.

>>88946778
Alex Ross? Really? You think realistic painting of models is what consists of 'good art'?

And Moore.

Your tastes are sophomoric as shit.

>>88945743
But this is true

>>88945742
Except the west is Liberal and accepting

>>88945654
>Damn Americans always want a bigger slice of the pie.
Well obviously.

>>88946891
Then how come you can't think of a better example you self hating weeb?

Why aren't good western cartoons popular in Japan?

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>>88946951
No, it's not. For the first statement
>Japanese like manga because everybody is feminine
Then what would you call this

>>88947008
He posted an image of a manga for the example.

>>88946933
Look at this pathetic weeb hipster.
>Something is detailed so it's bad
>Watchmen isn't good guise!

>>88947008
The image I just posted was the example you retard. It's like you even see things right in front of you

>>88947013
A manga based on western values that isn't even that popular in Japan since all of it's adaptations are made on shoe string budgets.

>>88947022
See, shit like this is why you are juvenile as fuck. Nowhere did I say they were bad, I was saying that you considering them the pinnacle of the field implies that you have very little range in your tastes and can only accept one specific metric as 'good'.

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>>88947016
But it doesn't look better.
I bet you think the classic Renaissance artists are bad too.

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>>88947013
For the second part you've obviously only been looking at generic bottom of the barrel moe anime
>the waifus all look underaged
Then what is this

>>88946044
What's the theme here? The scorpion tail and scales on gold's head suggest zodiac, but there's only nine of them, and there aren't any zodiac signs the others make think of. Constellations, maybe? It would fit the stars on their chests.

>>88947068
When did I say they were the pinnacle? I just used them as an example.

>>88947088
Sophomoric as shit examples, which any idiot getting into the field would make.

>WHERE OR WHERE IS THE JAPANESE MOZART? WHAT IS THIS JPOP SHIT?

>>88947074
>>88947013
>>88946891
>Japs are so much better, 10 times better
>I suck tiny chinese dong!
>Don't you dare prove me wrong!

>>88947106
>Still can't post an example of anything that is better
Sorry my choices weren't hipster enough for you weeb.

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>>88947044
>A manga based on western values that isn't even that popular in Japan
Yeah there's no hope for you
>since all of it's adaptations are made on shoe string budgets
Those are two entirely different things, look at One Piece, most popular anime in Japan and it still looks like QUALITY in most parts. Besides, it's required for Berserk fans to suffer as much as the characters do

>>88947115
Not him (or either them)
Anon calm down
Two of those posts were just trying clear misconceptions. It's no different then showing how not every western comic is capeshit.

>>88947133
>Berserk wasn't heavily based on the west
This denial.
>B-But one piece
Still has a much higher budget for it's cartoons than CGI shit.

>muh cartoons are better than your cartoons
Stop making cringeworthy generalizations because you feel the need for everyone to know how much better your favorite countries comics are

>>88947160
Weebs shouldn't make claims they can't back up.

>>88947187
But he posted two examples of how not every Manga protagonist is a twinky fuckboi or every waifu looking underage.

>>88947068
Not trying to get in this argument
What would you consider to be the pinnacle for the West?

>>88947168
I was talking more on the fact that it isn't popular in Japan which so laughably wrong that I think you might be autistic
>Still has a much higher budget for it's cartoons than CGI shit
Still doesn't change the fact that it looks like QUALITY, you act like budget means something. Or would you like more examples of popular series with bad animation

>>88947218
Those are exceptions to the rule.
It's a cultural thing but they like their fuckbois.
They even know this by having American characters be strong and big.

>>88947245

The japs do like manga where everyone is feminine. The manga that have manly men aren't the rule, they are the exception.

>>88947288
So you've never watch anything from the 90's below or present and have only seen slice-of-life moe shows from pictures on the internet and memes, because that's the vibe i'm getting from you
>>88947260
It's not an exception, it's a genre; a demographic that still is large in Japan

>>88947260
That's because that's an American stereotype (along with obesity somehow)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtzlKJ1dObU

>>88947084
Constellations in general, some are part of the Zodiac, some aren't (like Eagle Pink (Aquila), Chameleon Green, Wolf Blue (Lupus) and Swordfish Yellow (Dorado)

>>88947132
Junji Ito you faggot

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>>88947288
The feminine crap is made for pandering to the worst of the bunch since they spend more money.

>>88944141
Dude, Japan fucking loves Batman.

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>>88944141
Because they have a thriving, home-grown industry that caters to every conceivable audience and isn't knee-capped by an actual monopoly.
That, and the medium doesn't have the same stigma as in the West.

>>88944141
like the actual comics, or the characters themselves?

>>88947496
>that caters to every conceivable audience
Western comics actually do sort of have that stuff.
It's just hard to find because of the cape monopoly and the publishers are obscure.

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>>88947418
They even made their own version

>>88947528
Yeah, it's great stuff, but even Dark Horse and Image, the Big Two's closest competitors, would have a hard time justifying the expense of funding translations of their lesser-known titles. I saw some translated Hellboy comics in Japan, but that's arguably the company's flagship title/ mascot with two movies to his name: you're not likely to see Injection or Orc Stain on a Japanese shelf because they're not big enough to sell on brand recognition. Supaida-Man and that Japanese Batman series gave capeshit a foothold in the territory decades ago.

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>>88947400
This

>>88944141
Why is coloring in western comic books so shit?.

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>>88944141
I can hardly find western comics I like that much.

I have a Japanese friend who likes Hellboy at least

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>>88944465
You are an idiot if you belive this.
There are tones of greats "Western comics", you are just too blind to see them.

>>88945174
I had to look up Boruto. It's kind of sad when a series that could have been SOMEWHAT good if it ended just keeps going, ad-infinitum until it is a caricature of itself and starts lifting from itself. To be clear, Naruto should have ended when Shippuden began. That break couold have been adapted to the ending point for the whole series and we'd have a pretty good story. Say what you will about Naruto, but Naruto and Sasuke's fight next to the statues of the first and second hokages, before Sasuke left for the first time, was probably the coolest moment of the entire show/manga.

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I am sure some European comics could get popular there.

>>88945202
Contrary to poular belief Bleach was always significantly below Naruto and One Piece. That's why they're number 4 and 1, and Bleach is number 18.

>>88948652
Thoughts on Naruto getting a Hollywood movie by Lionsgate?

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man, whenever /co/ tries to discuss manga, you guys only show how retarded you are.

just... stop.

>>88944465
>higher standards

Fool quit playin

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>>88949283
or maybe you can stop acting like a snob, throw out some good suggestions and actually add to the topic

Mostly because of the size.

Manga can be read like books. They're small, page dense, and cheap to make and buy. Public transportation is not only huge in Japan, it's long. You pull out a huge ass floppie on the train and not only is it attention grabbing, it only lasts you roughly 15 minutes. That's why Shonen Jump is so popular, if one writer can't put out a bunch of content at once, at least you have a bunch of other stuff to read.

Where are manga stores most populated? In the subways.

the three best anime ever?
Lupin the Third which is co-financed through Italy or something
FLCL and Space Dandy, both co-produced by the good ol' USA

the West is the best

>>88949730
you forgot about cowboy bebop

the fuck is FLCL?

>>88949740
...

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>>88949740
Go buy yourself a culture.

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>>88949740
fooly cooly

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>>88949740
Seriously you don't know FLCL

Because they're a pain in the ass to follow.

>It's those two guys that post splash pages from Jap and Euro comics over and over claiming them to be superior

And you fags reply to this bait

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>>88949560

that is not how it works, saying lots of titles will not help you guys to get a better understanding, you need to study, study the history and the cultural aspects to understand manga or other comic's culture elsewhere.

>>88944141
Did someone just make the CW costume actually look good?

>>88945135
Would you rather read naruto and one piece or the recent Civil War?

>>88949980
the recent civil war at least has color

>>88948748
American movies based on manga have all been absolutely terrible except for the tom cruise time loop story

>>88944141
Because the medium as a whole is shut for story telling. In most Manga you get characters you get attached too and can enjoy watching them grow or what not. Good example is boku no hero academia. You watch deku and friends grow as people. Now before you say "but comics do this too" yes they do. However comics then will either make them inconsistent in other runs or kill them off and replace them only to bring them back in a couple of years. There is no consistency and permanence. Yes there can be for some comics I'm not denying that but for the most part there is none.

And before you say "well just read the runs you like" no. Most people like a consistent arc and story. Imagine if you will if Naruto (cause I'm sure every faggot here knows about it) just was himself and growing like usual. Then 59 chapters later the arc skips forward and then we're told "oh go read how this stuff happened and shit in this fucking manga" and then it turns out he genocided babies to summon cthulu. Makes no fucking sense. Yes that is an extreme but is is a terrible story telling method and makes no fucking sense.

>>88945732

/thread

>>88946951
Did you get lost in the shoujo section when you tried to navigate manga? Not even shounen's as bad as you describe

>>88944141
They love Batass

>>88945480
How does free comic day work?

>>88947013
BLACKED

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>>88944141

1.) Should probably be popular in America if you expect superhero comics to be popular elsewhere

2.) No one likes a clusterfuck. Your average person is more likely to respect Garfield or Scooby Doo than your average capeshit cuz at least those two titles don't complicate continuity

3.) It may be 2017, but Japan's still xenophobic, anon

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>>88946778
They exist, you just never bothered to look

>>88951513
STOP

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>>88945108
Is that my boy, Stronger?

>>88947071
>Alex ross

His shit is painfully static.

>>88949740
You have to either lived under a rock or born after 2001 to not know FLCL.

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>>88951557
>>88946778
And this is my pet peeve - when asked to provide example of good comic art and people give Alex Ross by knee jerk reaction.

Ross, while a brilliant realism artist, is comparably poor to most of his colleagues in terms of comic story telling. Adam Hughes, of similar artistic sensibilities, have much better paneling

Japan has some exquisite artists as well, but all that prettiness will not tell a visceral story without proper direction

>>88949730
>FLCL and Space Dandy, both co-produced by the good ol' USA

Original FLCL wasn't co-produced by USA it was Gainax and Production IG. The new seasons are us co-produced and they're probably be garbage (I mean just look at season 2 of Big O).

>>88944141
they have their own comics

Why do you people have to turn every Japanese related post to a comic vs manga thread?
Both are good and each have its own style of storytelling and art. Stop comparing them.

>>88951734
This is the internet. Godforbid people actually like a wide variety of things. Everything is a war, choose your side and make an ass of yourself.

>>88944141
Euro comix and Disney work fine. The problem is Americans believing capeshit is all that exist in "the west"

>>88951792
people really hate it when one genre becomes really popular that it becomes dominating

if only things were not popular

>>88945135
Shittiest naruto chapter still obliterate Greg land art fo he last 2 decades ut together.
cape stories are just as shallow as manga, but manga at least are honest, naruto, one piece or jojo are for teenagers. Comics pretending to be for adults is just hillarious to foreigners.

>>88944141
Because they are racist.

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>>88944141
Because they have superior Manga, which updates more frequently, consistently has better art, and doesn't come from only two companies with maybe 100 characters each who's personalities have been ganked by dozens of authors over 60 years.

>>88944141

You may have said western comics, but I know you don't really mean western comics. Just come out and say America already

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>>88951952
>which updates more frequently

Too bad all the stuff I read is either monthly release like my comics or dead in the water like Hunter x Hunter.

https://hiatus-hiatus.rhcloud.com/

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>>88951952
There are more then two comics companies in North-America, let alone the West.

>>88951998
>Former
>First Comics

Taken from us too soon. So many good titles there.

>>88951998
But do normie nips know that?

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>>88951998
Yet look how many Manga companies there are

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>>88951998
There are more manga companies in english than active comic book companies in english.

I also just realized that I switched the images.

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>>88944141
>market that is completely sensationalize that demands every book relate to all other books and every event effects every book years and stories are controlled by a higher committee rather than the writers

>market that is mostly stand alone from each other and events and series are controlled by the creators rather than higher ups.

Also most of the big two have their worlds entrenched to reflect the western world so it gives little for them to be interested in.

>>88952098
>>88952107
That's great but what's your point?

>>88952137
There's a greater availability of Manga than comics.
If you dont want to read superheros you have to go to the 5 other companies that make stuff less frequently and have weird indie shit.

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>>88951572

>>88944141
Same reason they aren't popular in South Korea, Thailand, Kazakhstan and Turkey.

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>>88944141

As mentioned it's not that "Western" things aren't popular since Disney movies and Disney tv cartoons are popular, but American capeshit comics are incredibly convoluted and you need to know decades of history of countless different titles to understand everything. While some manga are very long running there aren't gigantic shared universes with so much overlap that are so complicated in manga.

>>88945135
Sadly, they are still higher quality than most cape comics.

>>88948748
only death can deliver us from this evil.

>>88948748
Please let Hollywood move on to anime and leave capes alone.

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>>88952197
Please... No more torture....

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>>88952385
>struggler doesn't want to struggle
too fucking bad

The biggest question is, which is better, American webcomics or Japanese webcomics?

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>>88951952
>consistently has better art
Subjective generalisation.

>>88944141
Western comics aren't very good.
Also a Jap can get 100+ pages a manga a week for like 10 bucks, you think they're gonna pay 3 dollars for 10 pages and some advertisements?

>>88945070
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>>88944141
Why aren't western comics popular in the US?
>>88952522
You're downright ignorant if you don't think the average manga doesn't have better art than the average comic.

>>88944465

Hitman fans sure are dumb

Isn't it because most western comics don't get translated?

I remember reading on here that Grayson won the Gaiman Award last year, so they probably have some comics that they like.

>>88952547
What do you think is the "average comic" art?

>>88952565
Anything currently running.
Comics have trouble with consistently decent facial expressions

I'm surprised nobody's tried to make a tokusatsu Batman and Robin, it seem perfect for it.

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>>88952547
>average manga
What are these average manga?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-01-06/japanese-comic-ranking-december-26-january-1/.110723

Does anyone know if the Oricon rankings also includes western comics? Because the sales are really low then.

>>88952583
Any exemple?

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Today I will remind them.

I like both Manga and Comics, but there is no denying that Manga has a better art and storytelling.

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>>88952599
Glad i never got into hunter x hunter...

>>88947013

>Then what would you call this

A Feminist

>>88952197
SAUCE

>>88945073
DOG WELDER

if I remember correctly they really like French comics

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>>88952744
French comics are often great but super expensive.

>>88952702
It's from Rover Red Charlie.

Manga can have fun stories without going all muh politics.

>>88952798
Not to mention since they're usually made by 1-2 guys and are cheaper they're much more experimental.

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>>88952429
Isnt Galko-chan webcomic?

>>88946840
Chinks is the pejorative for Chinese. Gooks is the word for Japanese. Or at least it was in WW2.

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>>88952934
Yes
Webcomics in Japan are easily higher quality than the west's

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>>88952429
What are some good American webcomics?

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>>88952971
I dunno, we got some good ones too. You just gotta get the people with weird fetishes to draw them.

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>>88953059

>>88952620
Not cool, man, I love both of them.

>>88951489
you get some free comics

>>88953059
>>88953070
No one is saying good ones dont exist but the average is easily better in Japan

>>88953083
Is it? A quick perusal of pixiv seems to show we just get to see the good ones people bother to talk about across the language barrier. I'm sure Japan as equally shit amount of amateur artists peddling their slop.

>>88944141
Japan has its own strong comic/manga industry that emerged out of the war somewhat unmolested by codes and regulations allowing for a large variety of stories for many demographics.

>>88953083
Who care about the average?
Just read what is good.

>>88952603
Didn't know Black Butler was that popular.

>>88949802
>>88949820

I've never seen anyone abbreviate it as "FLCL", is it supposed to be like that?

>>88944141
japan is already over-saturated with manga magazines.

>>88953163
What, I've hardly ever seen anyone actually type out fooly cooly.

Who the fuck does that.

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>>88953163
its on most of the promotional art plus the eyecatches

>>88953187

I've just seen it as FC in the few times I've seen in discussed online.

>>88953208

Fuck, I had no idea that said FLCL, I'm terrible with stylized fonts.

>>88953208
I always call it FLCL. The actual letters. People who get pissed about that are funny.

>>88952967
Nah nip is word for japanese. Gook is for korean

>>88952429
Japs and maybe some of chinese and gookshit. Murricans webcomics started out fine and then it'll surely when to shit. At least japs and gook webcomics are consistently good or just shit from the start.

>>88953320
>>88953358
How common are these American nicknames?

http://www.rsdb.org/race/americans

>>88945016
Pretty much this. Their own industry is much bigger than what america can do to cater to them. They simply relate better to them.

>>88946933
>claiming that Moore isn't a good writer
I may not like him personally and he might be overrated, but claiming he isn't one of the greatest comic writers is foolish

>>88945357
Marvel (Perlmutter) would probably kill his mutter just to have similar sales number on their comics

>>88952643
Hunter X Hunter is actually great, but Jesus it's hardcore fans are the smuggest elitist I have ever seen who believe their manga is superior and too intelligent for the normies.

An easy way to get into the series is the 2011 Madhouse anime.

>>88945646
>men are drawn like men

Far too often i have to suffer an effeminate character when reading manga.

Also do you know how incredibly distracting it is when you're trying to watch hentai but you literally can't because the guy sounds more girly than the one he's fucking?

>japanese comics vs western comics thread

>all manga is shonen-shit

>all western comics are capeshit

Both have very good underground comics, but i'd argue western has more variation.

>>88953588
Japanese don't like women who aren't girly and submissive, but also really like guys who look like girls.

Interesting.

>>88949965
Here it doesn't look like leather and more like spandex or whatever they use for toku.

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I wish there were more japs who loved western comics.

>>88953688
Well i like traps if that counts

>>88953721
I really love whole doujin industry. I am glad that exist

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>>88951621
>>88951557
well, actually he is not Japanese
Chen Uen is Taiwanese but work in japan

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>>88953848
and many hong kong artist is good though

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>>88953943

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>>88953961

>>88953732
I like comic/animated porn, but wish there was more western stuff like that. More animated porn is good, but I'm not fond of a lot of the japanese fetishes.

>>88947623
>Kamen Judge Death Batman
That's why they are the superior people.

>>88951489
it's usually some buy one get one free bullshit

>>88944141
here come the weeaboos

>>88948114
rekted

>>88946933
that's the definition of good art

>>88951588
opinion of blind plebs

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>>88954171
He even has a red sidekick

Whose name starts with an R

>>88944141
It's too confusing for them. Having actually good stories makes them go crazy. Can you imagine only reading the lowest quality stuff and then being shown a bunch of top tier things? It would bewilder anyone. They're too used to generic plots, bad writers who forget everything, and tons of fanservice. Clearly comics are not for them.

>>88944141
Because they produce enough for themselves and others.

I mean it's asking why most of Japanese music or television or movies aren't popular in US
Cause we produce so much of our own we usually don't look past what we make.

>>88949980
DC Rebirth, bud. Japan has no excuse.

>>88952538
Sure pal

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>>88952971

>>88944141
Capeshit is pretty terrible, like not even the Americans actually read it.

>>88945646
Men are drawn like women*
Fixed, I have seen manga where the protagonist is a fitness obsessed maniac who is supposedly "in shape" and my fucking dick could probably break his arms like twigs.

>>88952538
So what? A Western comic gives more in one page than a Japanese one does in 1000 so it's definitely worth it. Japan cares about quantity over quality, which is why they produce so much trash, but it's okay because "whoa so many pages for so little money!"

>>88954764
>Capeshit is pretty terrible, like not even the Americans actually read it
>yet they flock in hordes to watch the movie adaptations
kek

>>88946933
Japan will NEVER have an author or artist as good as Jack Kirby. Maybe after 10,000 years of evolution they might BARELY get on his level.

>>88952643
It's on hiatus more often than berserk and Gantz combined

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>>88944141
they like some stuff like Hellboy or the Power puff girls, but for the most part they are used to more dynamic stuff that the static non manga comics

>>88944141
They probably find it absolutely retarded that our heroes don't eliminate their problems, choosing to leave the bad guy alive to escape imprisonment and kill/riot/extort all over again at a later date.

>>88944141
They're not even popular in America

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>>88954807
Superheroes characters (and some of the stories) are quite good, the art however is atrocious and lazy specially on Marvel. Funny but my favorite marvel thing is the mvc video games, love the design in those.

>>88949928
Autism levels: advanced

>>88954602
Not that anon but as much as I like Ross' art, most of his arts look awfully stiff in comic book panels. As illustrations, they are beautifully done but as a comic art, they are garbage, even ONE's awful drawing looks more alive than Ross' in comic panels.

>>88954839
Search and read more.
Shonen Jump isn't the only manga magazine exists in Japan, there are like hundreds of them.

>comics are better than manga
And Deviantart is better than Pixiv.

>>88952620
Peanuts is really good though

>>88944141
>Why aren't western comics popular in Japan?
If are talking about cape comics, it is simple because they have a lot of cultural momentum in America and in the western world to a smaller extent. The thing about cape comics, however, is that they are actually pretty unpopular even in the west, once you actually look the numbers(to give you an idea, the most popular cape comics sell something like 100.000 units monthly in the USA with its 350 millions inhabitants, while in Japan, with 120 millions inhabitants, that is actually inferior to even some shitty gimmick harem series like the one about monstergirls, and even the cultural argument doesn't work because, for example, my country, Brazil, with its 200 million inhabitants, had a crappy manga-like comic(Monica's Gang Teen) sell something like 500 thousand units monthly), and cape comics are generally really bad even with you consider Sturgeon's law.

>>88955098
Post some examples of this 'atrocious and lazy' art you've come across.

>>88945701
>Are you saying they don't like it because it doesn't look like anime? Because the original Teen Titans cartoon should've been a hit if that argument held water.

They probably don't like cheap knockoff How-To-Draw-Anime styles either

>>88954722
Japan buys more from other manga series than US does for comics.

>>88946915
There's shitloads of manga that don't follow the "traditional style", like chimoguri ringo and even anime like big O and shin chan that don't follow the formula

>>88955416
Modern marvel comics.

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>>88956163
You posted the work of one artist. A well known hack.

>>88944465
>Because the Japanese have higher standards.

No, they don't. As someone who's read manga and western comics since childhood, they're standards are about the same as ours. In some cases they're lower.


In response to the thread-The Japanese have more to choose from when it comes to content and genre. A single genre doesn't dominate shelf space as it does here in the USA. A josei manga about the everyday life of a business owner as she tries to balance her love life and work has as just a good of a chance of finding a large audience as shounen manga #10000 (provided that they are made with skill and talent).

Considering what Japanese manga readers are accustomed to, would they tolerate reading 22-24 pages a month for a $2-$4 comic? They're trades, but would they be willing pay $10 for a collection of 6 issues when they're already subscribed to a weekly anthology (or monthly) that delivers more content than that at a lower price? When it comes to superheroes, would they tolerate the line wide events?

>>88955416
He posted a fucking page of Greg Land porn faces, what the shitcunting fuck would you call that?

>>88957002
you have to also consider that they are used to buying a three dollar magazine that's an inch thick and full of comics

bang for your buck kind of matters here

sure people will go out and buy voumes for stuff they like later, but a lot of comic reading is weekly magazines

>>88957960
This. Japan has the serialization culture down to a science. It's also why short-form prose fiction has managed to stay relevant there while it's a nearly dead medium in the west.

Dogwelder is popular and became a Japanese meme, so much Hitman got a Japanese translation because of it.

Also go to twitter and tyoe in his Japanese name and they're discussing his current comic.

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>>88954839
they already had.

Shotaro Ishinomori.

>>88955098
Lazy art is nit exclusively a western comic thing, I've seen manga with scratchy bad art and action scenes where it was confusing to kniw WTF was happening.

OPM before it was redone and Hunter x Hunter are a few examples.

>>88945646
>/co/mblr gets triggered by females actually being feminine

>>88959358
They have fan translations already?
If so, do they rike it?

>>88959593
>fan translation
Thry sell them on Amazon so I dunno how fan it is, I think DC approved it.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/404728890X

But if you search 犬溶接マン around on twitter and the web you'll find fanart of him, people cosplay as him, some discussions of the latest Sixpack and Dogwelder comics and people saying how strange but deep his origin is.

BTW reverse weeabos exist they're just not as obnoxious as weeabos.

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>>88959794
Nah westaboos are as annoying that weaboos

>>88954805
Are you saying manga is bad? And western comics are better?

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>>88944141
>Why aren't western comics popular in Japan?

'Cause they have their own comics, and frankly, they're way better.

>>88954805
if you think like this, eurocomics gave way more content than american comics, to the point you are a retarded, simple.

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>>88953943
HK artists are great, but like Alex Ross, their story-telling are less memorable than their craftsmanship

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>>88949928
Reminds me of this.

>>88947013
A dyke with an impractical sword?

>>88966630
Well jap is right. I am glad that SJW cant touch anime or manga in anyway

>>88944465
weeaboo faggot

>>88964352
Sounds like he's complaining about decompression.

>>88945269
>Yes, they're popular among the otakus
No they're not

>but they aren't among the rest of people,
Yes they are you mongoloid

>shonen is not as read as you might think in Japan
The complete opposite you retarded fuck.

All that ecchi fanservice stuff? THAT'S popular among Otaku. Shonen manga is popular among all ages, you can find salaryman reading JUMP or Magazine or Sunday in the trains every day, nobody bats an eye.