Marvel Continues To Destroy Itself

>>88940181
What's the point in buying a floppy for the digi copy if you just wanted the digi copy?

>>88940221
Collecting the physical copy, and having the digital to read, as not to damage the actual comic? Just a guess though.

>>88940181
I don't get it

>>88940221
Supporting your LCS and getting something more, since each comic costs $4.99. It's already absurd they're charging that much when DC's core titles are all $2.99. At least you got a digital copy as well, so it was something. Now they're not only giving you that, but giving you a copy for something you may already have or may not have wanted in the first place but is what Marvel wants to push. They're really starting to piss off everyone at this point.

So I'm kind of confused. Is it an issue gives you a digital trade, or is it a issue gives you a first issue of a trade?

>>88940326
Marvel used to provide codes for digital copies of any physical copy you buy. They're doing away with that. Now any physical copy you buy comes with a digital code of an issue of their choosing while still maintaining a really high price point per issue.

>>88940181
>Or is there simply too much hubris at Marvel for that to happen?

Well if there is they'd better change it fast because everyone's been catching on to their methods (people are already pointing out they're doing the overship to influence the unit sales on Diamond's charts, which keep getting talked up a lot)

>>88940407
The latter.

>>88940181
>Hmmmmm yes surely this will save our dying brand

>>88940407
First issue of the trade. In this case they're giving Civil War 0 their event they want you to love, YAAS QUEEN 6 their character they want you to love, and Old Man Logan 1 the TPB they want you to buy because there's a movie coming. They're basically switching out people's digital copy for advertisement issues.

>>88940475

If Marvel is dying, then so DC. They're symbiotic.

I wish DCshills would just stop and think about the big picture.

>>88940181

holy shit people bought hard copies for the digital code? what the fuck is wrong with you?

this is a cool move they should've had from the start

>>88940564
>>88940540
Nice try Marvel interns

>>88940412
Are we Marvel isn't including the digital codes for the floppies AND a digital code for one there books shown in select floppies?

>>88940634
They confirmed they aren't including one for the new title like they used to. It's only for the old titles.

>>88940540
>I-if Marvel is doing bad so is DC
>Positive Reception in all time high
>Highest Sales in a long time without any major bleedout per issue
>DC is great again

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Retailers are apparently pissed since they have a lot of customers who come just because of the codes. Huh.

>>88940797
Well it's basically how buyers justified paying $3.99+. You get both physical and digital.

Is Marvel going to overship February titles too?

Wow Marvel is ruining the industry....again.

Yaaass Queen!

>>88940623

y u mad some people like marvel

>>88940797

this is breaking my brain

>>88940901
I was going to joke that Disney is just going to make Marvel a legacy publishing company that produces the occasional Scholastic book with a few digital comics since they now have the IPs for movies and toys, but with they way they're treating actual comic fans and retailers it seems like that may be right.

>>88940942
really slayed the industry there marvel

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Thanks, Perlmutter.

>>88940540
Mousenigs are this desperate.

>>88940181
MCU is already killing the comics forcing "agents of shield", inhumans and another shit teams like Guardians of the Galaxy in the Main arcs, plus Bendis and Dan Slott.

Captain Feminazi "killing" Iron Man was the last nail in the coffin. Fuck this shit, I'm moving to DC.

>>88940797
one dude on twitter...ok then.

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>>88941208
>Fuck this shit, I'm moving to DC

You'll be glad you did.

>>88941208
Hey don't blame MCU. Marlel wishes it was ran by Kevin " Goldfinger" Feige. Just full of incompetence

>>88941236
>I-it's just one guy

Typical excuse.

>It's a Marvel does stupid shit on the way to fucking up the industry episode.
Wait... I've already seen this before, right? Is this a re-run?

>>88940360
As nice as it would be to support your LCS there are very few things that I would get physical. I don't have a lot of space to keep comics and I like reading the good ones multiple times. Keeping comics in a decent readable condition is hard. Digital comics for a lot of people are the future. This plan, is just going to fuck everyone.

Though Honestly, comics need to just move to digital and a Print by Demand system rather than relying on the current comic book store system.

I STILL wouldn't buy from marvel because their comics are shit at the moment but floppies are shit.

Who's making these decisions and for what purpose? I may disagree with their storytelling and business choices but I'm not rooting for them to fail.

I'm also surprised at the amount of people that bought hard copies only to use the digital. I used to sell the codes myself on a subreddit especially for that, was nice to make a dollar back on each issue but it got tiresome keeping it up

Pretty fucking retarded move on Marvel's part

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>>88941431
>Who's making these decisions
Gee, I wonder (((who))) it could be.

>>88941398
It would be nice if they offered their entire catalog online. There could be a time delay for brand new comics so they don't mess with LCS's too much.

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>>88941485
Ike "The literal Kike" Perlmutter

>>88941485
>>88941503
It would make sense if it were actually going to gain them money. This isn't greed, it's blunt idiocy.

>>88941398
This really seems like the first step in Marvel trying to cut out the middle man (LCS) and convert their audience to digital to maximize their profits. Possibly pulling out of Comixology and just having people by directly from their own digital storefront.

Not to get all /tg/, but it's pretty familiar as to how Games Workshop antagonized all the game stores and put up heavy restrictions on how their products could be sold online so customers would be forced to buy everything from GW stores and their own internet store in an attempt to maximize profits.

>>88941386
You realize they do it on purpose, right? Every time they collapse the industry they damage everyone around them. Smaller companies go out of business and Marvel can snap up their talent and IPs, which means they are closer to a monopoly. And now that they have Disney to back them up, they could kill the whole industry, then just hang on and wallow in the fallout once they're the only game left in town.

>>88941552
That's actually a really good analogy. Marvel is almost exactly like the GW of comics, but with fewer quality products.

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>>88941598
DC is more of the "I'll destroy you and take your stuff!" company. When Marvel makes a mess of things, they do it from sheer incompetence.

>>88941208
>Fuck this shit, I'm moving to DC.
Honestly why did you wait til now to do it? Marvel has been bad for over 10 years.

>>88941552
It's a blatantly obvious effort to give Diamond and LCSs the finger.

>>88940181
That's pretty crummy. I only buy a small number of titles to support my LCS and read the rest online but if I was a normalfag who maintained a digital library created from codes off paper I would be furious. Rather than fully switch to digital I would literally not buy anything at all.

>Or, three – I am told that the first week of titles will have three free digital comics. The same three free comics. And one of them is Civil War II #0.

I'd be pissed if they forced CWII on me too

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>>88941284
>Superman telling me it's all going to be okay

>>88941431
Let's see what bullshit Marvel has been doing of late.
>>Price their comics at $4, $5, and $6
>>Give away free issues to retailers to artificially inflate their sales numbers.
>>Non-stop events.
>>Events written by people who really don't give a flying fuck (CWII)
>>Telling their customers they are wrong for not liking what they put out (Inhumans push)

I mean, it's adding insult to injury that they are giving free issues for Civil War II, an event widely disliked! Why not give them Fear Itself and Ultimatum while you're at it?

>>88941545
I guess they think that they are losing a huge market of people who give away the codes to their friends. It's like Marvel is trying to crash the industry by charging more for sloppier work.

>>88941545
Perlmutter sort of flips between savvy businesspsyco and a bad jew joke
>Wait we sell the digitals with the real books? That's like cutting our sales in half it is. Oy! these Goys are trying to bleed me dry. Cut the digital codes out. Now if you'll excuse me I have a used toothbrush I need to return. No pictures.

>>88941789
>I mean, it's adding insult to injury that they are giving free issues for Civil War II, an event widely disliked! Why not give them Fear Itself and Ultimatum while you're at it?
>Marvel giving away CWII #0, Trouble #1 and Avengers #200

>>88941545
Wait, the guy that tried to jew out Stan out of his money only to end up quadrupling his salary and that only made any actual savings by penny-pinching is bad at business? Say it ain't so.

So what are the chances of Marvel directly trying to take down Readcomiconline and other sites like that?
Maybe force the writer of Gwenpool to have a "PSA" about piracy.

>>88941838
>So what are the chances of Marvel directly trying to take down Readcomiconline and other sites like that?
It's likely that they've already tried.
Many comic and manga sites have moved servers to places more friendly

>>88941689
>>88941552
This is depressing, but totally seems like the game they're trying to pull. Figures with Ike meeting Trump.

>>88941822
The think about Ike is that he isn't a comics guy- he came over from the Toybiz buyout. He's a widget salesman, not an artist.

>>88940181
Is this not destroying LCS, rather than Marvel?

So these people actually exist, and are another unsustainable support beam alongside variant covers. Great.

>>88941503
Stan Lee has a vastly higher Jew powerlevel, and he'd have never done any of this crap.

>>88941824
And Marville, don't forget Marville.
Bill Jemas was ahead of his time, it would sell like hotcakes nowadays.

Welp, all those Marvel books I added to pull my list last month? Dropping every single of them. Gonna write Marvel and tell them I'm taking all my business to DC.

This is fucking bullshit.

>>88941838
>Maybe force the writer of Gwenpool to have a "PSA" about piracy.
Yeah lets have a character derived from the knock-off of another publisher's character talk to us about how it's wrong to steal stuff.

>>88941901
For all of his flaws, the Lich King knows how the industry works.

>>88941838
Someone hasn't told you about HTMLComics

The girls (the tumblr kind) I know who read comics do it either digitally or in trades.

>>88941901
>Stan Lee has a higher Jew Powerlevel than an Israeli CEO named Ike
Doubt.

>>88941953
I thought the Lich King left the industry to just wallow in the paycheck he jewed Perlmutter out of giving and appearing as an online celebrity with his own twitter and Youtube channel while appearing in movie cameos?

>>88941885
yeah it seems like it's meant to direct traffic towards digital and away from Diamond/LCS

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>>88941689
>It's a blatantly obvious effort to give Diamond the finger

Man, that's a great idea, it's not like it's ever backfired before.

>>88941624
It actually hurt GW for a long time with people. They were so worried about squeezing out every buck they can that it left a bad taste in the mouths of retailers and players and much fewer people are playing now. To combat the loss of sales volume, GW basically steadily increased prices and had their remaining customer base pick up the slack. They've pushed out a lot of physical and online retailers, so I guess they got their wish and are making bank with each sale. But the community around their games is now drastically different from 10-15 years ago.

>>88941891
>unsustainable

Not really. People were going to comic shops to buy physical books because they knew they could get bot the physical and digital books for one price, meaning they can have their library with them anywhere and still have physical media. That's a positive for the consumer- they get the benefits of both for one price.

Now Marvel is scrapping the program, which means there is less incentive for these people to go out to comic stores to buy physical, since they're literally getting half of what they used to pay for. If they still buy at all, they'll likely go all-in on digital due to ease of access, which is basically Marvel stealing from the pockets of LCSs.

This is nothing more than Marvel spiting their fans and retailers for a quick cashgrab.

>>88941995
Anon...
http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/87986373/#87986603

>>88940181
The redemption numbers for those digital codes was very low, going by what Marvel gave my LCS back. (They stopped that practice years ago.)

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Mfw im DC fan

>>88941948
It'd only be funny if she was begging like a homeless person for people to support her book

What bugs me is that Marvel is selling their comics at such a high price, yet we know the money isn't going to the employees when we hear about their conditions at the Marvel offices. And I highly doubt they give Diamond that much dough. If this is a play to get rid of comics in LCS and bring the market directly to Marvel digitally, it's going to be telling if they drop the prices or not.
God, fuck Pearlmutter.

Who the fuck buys marvel comics in the modern era anyway.

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>>88942090
>social justice pandering and a lack of good editors to keep things in check
>poor promotion of their actual good stuff
>stiff prices compared to the competition
>constant events makes people too uncomfortable to jump on ship and have stories diverge because tie-ins
>lose people who wanted to get into comics
>alienate and lose long time comic readers
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

>>88941552
So, what I'm getting is, stop giving Marvel money?

>>88941996
>>88942033
I should point out now that I don't think Lee still gets those benefits. He attempted to sue Marvel for like a bajillion dollars in 2010 or so.

IIRC they settled out of court. Marvel lost 10m but how much of that was costs and how much was to Lee is ???

>>88942241
I think it's already happening going by Marvel's actions last year.

>>88942049
Its been a long time since The New 52 fellow DC bro, but we made it here, finally what appears to be some decent storylines in most titles.
I liked Dial H tho.

>>88942241
Boycott Marvel. Especially if you care about them. Go to your LCS, drop everything Marvel from your pull list, and tell them you're not buying any more Marvel until they fix their shit. Enough folks do that and they'll get the idea.

Tweet at them, facebook them, write in. Whatever. Send a damn message.

>>88942181
These creators spend way too much time on social media. That's the problem. When all these people who don't read comics or just repost pages n panels keep licking their asses, it makes them feel like they can do no wrong.

They're chasing a high that isn't backed by anything. Now that it's time to cash in their chips, turns out the casino they bet in had no money.

>>88941552
>Marvel trying to cut out the middle man

Because that never keeps blowing up in their faces.

>>88942379
Sounds like something Alan Moore would say.

I wouldn't mind this if they lowered the price to $3 an issue.

>>88941552
You're retarded.

The vast majority of money is made at the LCS level through single issues. Digital varies, but without concrete numbers, nobody knows for sure, but it is not the format making the most money, except for possibly some titles you hear about doing more digitally like Squirrel Girl.

>>88942416
impossible, Alan Moore is english, english people dont speak english

>>88942357
Nice try DCshill

>>88941598
You give them WAY too much credit.

>>88941598
>You realize they do it on purpose, right?

They really, really don't.

>>88942379
Yeah, I think this post is dead on.

>>88942460
>You're retarded.
Lets see:

1) Sell a $4 physical comic (that you had to pay to produce) to Diamond for $1, who sells it to LCSes for $2, who sells it to customers for $4.

vs.

2) Sell a $4 digital comic (with no physical production costs) to a customer for $4.

Gee, I wonder what format Marvel wants to cultivate.

>>88942357
It's important to switch to other publishers, whether it's DC or indies. Take away Marvel's income, not the LCS's, they're not to blame for this.

>>88942978
They still have to give Comixology a cut, among other things.

>>88942640
I'm not blindly loyal to any company, thanks.

>>88943090
Of course, I'm just saying that going through the LCS to get at Marvel is probably the best way to make a point.

>>88943121
What part of

>Possibly pulling out of Comixology and just having people buy directly from their own digital storefront.

do you not understand?

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>>88941236
>one dude on twitter
Quite a lot now, Marvelfriend. Others are catching onto Marvel trying to cut them out as news is spreading. He was just one of the early ones.

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>>88940181
no one gives a fuck about comic books

>>88944014
Have you ever noticed that the people that go
>one dude on Twitter
Convieniently ignore the other tweets and comments around?

>>88944044
The very high possibility that there are actually a great many Mouseketeers out there that consider themselves Marvel fans and hold this opinion is just one of the many reasons Marvel needs to die. Let it reap what its sown and become just a folder full of character trademarks for Mickey.

>>88944014
>>88944056
>Oh, b-but there's TWO guys on twitter

Surely, the two of you are just joking. This won't hurt anything.

>>88944549
Twitter can be safely ignored as it's full of liars pretending they spend money on things and bitching.

who actually redeemed the digital codes?

they're like glued into the book, you'd have possibly mangle a page to get it out

>>88944549
>>88944650
This is some pathetic damage controlling, Marvel.

>>88944549
It's three, actually, the first pic was a discussion between two retailers. The fact that you didn't know that shows you didn't even read them, which in turn shows that you are only here to damage control. Get fucked, shill.

>>88944702
The sticker is two pieces of paper. You could peel it apart, but it'd be obvious it was peeled apart and used usually.

are they really swapping the digital copy of the comic you bought for old comics?

i understood you'd get both.

>>88944752
>for old comics?

Seems more more "certain" comics. Pretty much, whatever they feel like pushing onto buyers.

>>88944707
It is actually true when it comes to comics twitter (not comic retailer twitter).

>>88944752
>Replacing the free digital copy, our BONUS DIGITAL COMICS will offer fans free entry points for current on sale collected editions and, in turn, invite additional and repeat traffic into our trusted retailers.

Figured I'd actually go read the news release.

>>88944904
Also,
>Marvel’s BONUS DIGITAL COMICS will be updated weekly with consistent in-print and social messaging so fans know which BONUS DIGITAL COMICS will be made available that week.

>>88944917
>updated weekly with consistent in-print and social messaging
Great. Wonderful. I cannot wait.

>>88944712
And that's not even counting what responses that Marvel's tweet announcement got:

https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/817474807805673472

So since Marvel is now actively trying to cut out LCS sales in favor of their own digital sales starting February, are they even going to try and pad their numbers like they have been these past few months? I imagine a good number of retailers are going to cut orders by a healthy amount by FOC this Monday since they know who buys for the digital copy but wants to try to support the store with the physical. Are they just going to accept the drop but spout some nebulous "But our digital sales are soaring!" PR statement?

>>88944904
>>88944917
yep im boycottin these fools

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>>88941485
>>88941503

>>88940181
Educate me on this please
What's to ''alienate long time readers''?

>>88945066
>Are they just going to accept the drop but spout some nebulous "But our digital sales are soaring!" PR statement?

If anything I'd say it's the latter.

https://twitter.com/TomBrevoort/status/807437946165100545

>ITT: DC Interns blow things out of proportion
Best start hitting the gym, boys! These shitposts are bad, I could smell them a mile away! Just BAD!

>>88945132
Not fooling anyone, """"contrarian"""" intern.

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I'm pretty friendly with my LCS so I'l be sure to ask the owner what they think when I go next time.

Personally, I don't buy any Marvel comics outside of old Punisher War Zone copies I pick up as I find, but I'm curious whether this is having a real world impact.

>>88945193
I know for my LCS it won't really matter. Only one or two people were redeeming the codes. Not sure if those buyers will stop buying or not offhand though.

Most didn't peel the sticker because it "ruined" the comic from being in Near Mint.

>>88945093

Until now, when you bought a physical copy of a comic, you'd get a code with it that gave you a digital copy of that comic as well.

They're changing this to when you buy a physical copy of a comic, you get a code that will give you digital copies of 2-3 *other* books, chosen by Marvel on a weekly basis.

Their thinking: it gives people more content for free, gives people entry points to books they might not be reading

Actual: now people who bought physical books to have a physical copy for collecting and permanent ownership, plus the digital copy for convenience and ability to read anywhere, lose that. People who read many books will just get redundant, useless copies of books they may already have or actively do not want

>>88940181
Imagine if DC started offering digital codes but kept the same price

How quickly would Marvel lose its shit?

>>88945324
They did used to produce (for some comics, like Justice League and Batman) a regular comic and a digital variant (regular comic with a variant cover and digital code) for a dollar more. I think it just didn't work out for them.

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>Continue with numerous events and relaunches even though fatigue is setting in.
>No course correction on material even though retailers are having difficulty selling and people are clamoring for more traditional books.
>Talent shaming people on social media for not liking or buying what they're producing.
>Actively trying to cut out retailers out of their physical purchases for extra profit.
>Convert perk for readers into glorified advertisements for comics you want to sell.

I've seen a lot good faith missteps by publishers that didn't work out. Convergence was largely just an event to cover DC's move cross country by bringing back some things that they lost with the New 52 and DCYou was their attempt to do a bit more indy style comics that was a big thing at the time. Both didn't work out, but they listened to their retailers and customers and course corrected pretty well.

But I've never seen a company that seems to actively hate both the people who buy and the people who sell their products and sees them as nothing more than dollar signs. That's nuMarvel right now.

>>88945522
>That's nuMarvel right now.

That's been Marvel for the last 20-30 years.

>>88945605
Nah, I'd say more like 17 years. Even during the 90's they weren't openly hostile to their fans in interviews the way it became once Quesada and Jemas took control. It worked under Quesada and Jemas cause they were able to consistently keep fans. It's not working now because they've ended up driving away fans over the last 13 or so years.

>>88945522
>But I've never seen a company that seems to actively hate both the people who buy and the people who sell their products and sees them as nothing more than dollar signs.
Games Workshop. I won't Marvel is the GW of comic, but they are going there. But hey! Look how great it works as a strategy!
it doesnt

>>88941503

I still can't get over how Marvel is run by fucking dril of all people

>>88945522
There's relaunch fatigue sure, but event fatigue doesn't exist. This one just didn't perform as well as they wanted. It was still a top selling book.

>>88941208
The MCU is suprisingly innocent in all of this crap. Marvel Studios has been independently run for years now. Marvel Comics follows the MCU's lead out of its own accord.

>>88946038
Also excuse me for getting off topic, but this is why for MVC:I they should just ignore the comics all together and focus on the MCU for the games.

No one gives a shit about people like Silk, Spider Gwen and Nu Squirrel Girl, Gwenpool might have a chance because she's likeable. People want shit like MCU Iron Man and Rocket Racoon duking it while also competing to see who can get drunk faster

>>88946192
Wow, congrats on being completely ass backwards.

I can't think of anything more fucking boring than a game based on the MCU

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>>88946192
>and focus on the MCU for the games.

So will they be giving codes for the same digital issues no matter which physical issues you buy? So if you buy literally more than 1 physical issue the digital "bonuses" are completely redundant?
>Pull say 4 Marvel titles a week
>Get 8 digital codes for the same 2 books
Are Marvel retarded?

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>turn it around like DC
yeah, just like their "rebirth"

>>88946192
The difference is Capcom never actually followed current comics when choosing their characters. They were told which characters would be important in the future and they picked the best incarnation of them. Making it all MCU will only hurt the game as Marvel will be stuck with the blandest versions of characters. It will also limit the number of easter eggs and fun dialogue in the game. Having Hawkeye talking about the other Hawkeye is way more fun than him saying something about Sokovia. Among other things.

>>88946416
>Rebirth is doing badly because of Marvel's #1s guys!

Yes, something on issue 8 is being beaten out by #1 issues that had 1:1000 variants. Bravo, "detective".

>>88946416
And batman i still number one, while on Digital you will see DC tittle everywhere, not to mention that this was relaunch day so yeah

>>88946416
#1 and a lot of those had variants try harder idiot.

>>88946416
>The most popular character in comics is selling in large numbers because people want comics about him and DC is giving it to them.
Based DC.

>>88946416
Surprised Detective Comics and Action Comics aren't doing better, in terms of quality those two are aces.

>>88945838
Sure, the event book itself sold well... But it still lost repeatedly to DC Rebirth titles

And every series that was unfortunate to become a CWII tie-in suffered a significant dip in sales... Hell, two of them got cancelled

>>88946390
Yes. And Yes.

>>88946416
>Every Marvel book is either an event, a number #1 or Star Wars
Marvel sure showed them.

>>88946416
>Spider-man nowhere in the top 10
This honestly kills me, he is pretty much the most famous hero in the world HOW CAN MARVEL LET THIS PASS ?

>>88946610

...Spider-Man is #6

>>88946749
The married Spider-Man. Makes me smile, even if it IS just because it's #1.

>>88946447
>Making it all MCU will only hurt the game

I didn't know subjective aesthetics it what makes a game good.

>>88940181
This seems like a cut off your nose to spite your face tactic

>>88946809
Millions of people buy those games, about 10-20k play them online, even less play them 'seriously' competitively

"Subjective aesthetics" are the most important thing about them

Why do you think the most popular games are ones like SF and Marvel which aren't considered especially good games, while the ones fighting game purity shitheads love and think are the ultimate fighting games are ones nobody gives a shit about?

>>88946842

There's a perfectly fine logic behind it, it's just that they've ignored the consequences of the change

>>88940181
No, they found making movies is far more profitable. Time to shut down publishing and only have a marvel universe in tv and film.

>>88946956
>No, they found making movies is far more profitable.

Marvel Studios and Marvel publishing got separated last year, slowpoke.

>>88940181
I don't get it? Digital versions are floating around online for free. Just download those and then pay for physical copies that are worth your dollar. I wouldn't buy a single fucking comic if I couldn't read them first. Even $3 is an unacceptable price to ask for not knowing what you're going to get.

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>>88946956
Yeah, cause THAT is a really stable market.
So how many seasons of Luke Cage and Jessica Jones will they try to squeeze out before they realize they have no content left?

>>88946977
Some people have a different sense of morality

Not saying you're wrong - I also think try before you buy is an excellent system for most things - but that is how some people feel.

>>88946997
Well, Cage at least had his original book which lasted over a decade, if you count past the merger with Iron Fist.

>>88941070
This is Marvel doing it to themselves, Disney isn't the one actually doing anything here, except not stopping stupid decisions.

>>88947051
I know Cage had some comics, but I feel like Marvel is going to burn out all of their movies and shows at the rate they are going. 3 movies, 3 netflix, and several shows are coming out this year, and I doubt it's going to slow down. I don't think comics are a bottomless well like most people think, and it's going to crash sooner than later.

I mean, what the hell are they going to do for Jessica Jones Season 2 onwards? Hell, how long can they milk the Hand as villains when people are already bored of them.

Womp womp. Maybe this will teach them to not have fucking relaunches and reboots every six months.

>>88940181
>Ike, more and more readers are becoming antsy and starting to check out the competition. Whatshould we do?
>Take away their digital codes from their physical comics. It will save us sheckels and teach those spoiled serfs to question my order
>Sir, that's insanity!
>Find, they can have the first issue of a trade like that Civil War thing. They want the rest of the story, gotta buy the rest.

Can someone stop this madman?

>>88947093
>I mean, what the hell are they going to do for Jessica Jones Season 2 onwards?

They've already announced they're stealing the Power Broker/UCWF storyline from the Thing/Captain America to use for the second season, at least.

>>88947198
Get some samurai.

>>88946997
>>88947093
You know other popular shows go on for 9 seasons easily.

it's not hard for competent writers to write new stuff too. Competent writers are probably working on film and shows more than the comics anyway.

Fucking hold up, does that mean they're giving digital copies of tpb I don't give a fucking about in my fucking issue?

>>88946997
Jessica Jones is royally fucked but Luke Cage has plenty of source material to work with, especially if they merge his show with Iron Fist's show.

>>88948468
They're only giving the first issue from a random tpb. The idea is that you'll like that issue and but the rest of the story... even though the ready prolly has it.

>>88948598
Merging with Iron Fist is the better option than giving either a second season. I doubt I could sit through another season of Luke Cage and I could probably say the same about Danny. Which speaking of, I have zero idea how theyll do his costume

>>88948692
I have a feeling Danny will just go shirtless for the costume. No mask or anything, just a prominent tattoo and a gold belt.

>>88948468
Yes. You get "Hero" vs "Hero" 0, Yaas Queen: Please Love Her 6 and Hey This Has The Movie Title 1. You'll be sure to love these instant classics so much, you'll want to buy the full trade. Make Mine Marvel, True Believer!

>>88941959
>>88941838
Someone hasnt told you how to pirate comics properly

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>>88941503
holy shit it's mason

>>88944044
>Marvel fans don't even like Marvel

pathetic

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>>88941666
Trips of Truth. I love DC but RIP Captain Marvel.

>>88946970
>Feige begs Disney to get his highly profitable film division out from under the thumb of that retard Perlmutter

Once the comics division fully tanks can they just toss Ike and let Feige have the whole thing?

>>88946231
>>88946250

What do you expect from Marvel fans? Marvel has programmed people to hate their comics and worship their awful movies.

>>88946610
>he is pretty much the most famous hero in the world

You mean after Batman and Superman.

>>88952299
no, if you look at the stats, cant be bothered right now, he actually is

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>>88952184
>>88944371
Can you blame most people?

That shit has been looking like garbage for over 10+ years.

The ONLY things I care about Marvel is it's video games, television, cartoon, anime and movies because they fucked is in the comic region for years. Killing Spidey's marriage, X-Men looking more like deranged idiots, FF are forever shit, Waypool being the Deadpool everyone thinks of and replacing heroes.

I was fan of them because of 90s cartoons, Capcom fighters and the Jim Lee books but the comic division is irrelevant. All its doing is going for brownie points with social media and worry more about making headlines than making good stories.

>>88941901
Stan is American, Ike is Israeli. Two different environments.
Stan grew in an environment were people weren't exactly fond of Jews, Ike grew up in one were everyone was ready to bend over to get fucked in the ass and later thank you for it.

>>88946956
This. I mean, Marvel comics has gone bankrupt like 3 times.

>>88952345
You are talking about that chart which tracked merchandise sales during a year when a Spider-man movie was out.

Jesus, why are Spiderfags so retarded?

>>88952510
Not that guy but if you want to wait until a year when neither Spider-Man nor Batman appear in a film to make a "fair" comparison you're gonna be waiting a while, friend.

>>88940181
it brings me great personal pleasure to know so many people deprive themselves of pleasure because they only pay attention to what people are complaining about

>>88940181
>>88940797

>waaaah marvel are finished

fuck off, so a few poor people wont be able to afford some comics, you sound like console gamers

>waaah my mcjob doesnt pay me enough to buy a decent rig

not our fault you're a fucking loser

>>88952571
Enjoy your dying brand

>>88952571
Hi (((((Ike)))))) is it true your heart pumps acid instead of blood? I have a hard time believing that because it would require having a heart to begin with.

>>88940360
Tbf tho, I think DC's floppies have more ads in them.

>>88952571

>>>/v/

>>88952594
I will, thankyou

>>88952703
Didn't DC have an ad recently that was done in the same style as the comic it appeared in and just made it seem like the story went in a very odd direction until people realized they were being sold Snickers or something?

>>88952571
seriously >>88953005
or /tv/

>>88953108
Yes, in an issue where Superman was fighting Doomsday, there was a two page ad with the first page being Superman offering Doomsday a snickers to calm him down.

They also ran a shitton of half page Twix ads, where the bottom half of a two page spread would be a twix ad, meaning artists had to panel around the ad.

>>88940181
GOOD. Marvel is doing a good thing. The sooner physical copies die off the sooner this industry will get better.

>>88940360
DC comics are half the size as Marvel and have twice the adds

>>88953212
>>88953234

How much did disney pay you?

>>88952345
Are you kidding me? My parents never heard of spider-man, but they know batman and superman

>>88942416
And in this instance, he'd be right.
Sometimes he is.

>>88954070
Pretty much this. There's a reason nobody knows who Spider-man's villains are, but everybody knows Lex and Joker.

>>88953212
>the sooner we stop selling things to the people who buy them, the sooner people who don't buy our stuff can start buying them.

What type of ass backwards logic is that, forgetting the other comic related merchandise LCSs sell for a minute, what in gods name makes you think you're going to get a better digital product with the absence of physical comics?

the prices wont go down, the shitty format of digital titles wont change and the art will be stymied to fit on a computer/tablet screen so no more double page spreads. these are facts.

>>88954070
>fuck your statistics I have anecdotal evidence

Special snowflake spotted.

>>88946749
That's not marvel's 'real' Spider-Man, it's the ongoing with peter and MJ.

>>88954564
>No one knows Dr. Octopus, Venom or Green Goblin.

You're a fucking idiot. Why does everything need to be a competition? Spider-Man is undoubtedly one of the most popular super heroes ever. Is he as popular as characters created half a century before him? Who fucking cares? The average person will know three super heroes off the top of their heads from brand recognition alone: Superman (literally THE superhero), Batman and Spider-Man. Why do you feel the need to have these console wars?

>yeah well MY favorite super hero could beat up YOUR favorite super hero.

>>88955218
>Who fucking cares?
You seem to.

>>88940294

You have to damage the comic to get the code though.

I really don't see the point of getting a digital copy of a comic you just bought a physical copy of. I'd rather get a different comic like Marvel is doing even though they are dog shit.

>>88952345
God you are such a pathetic retard.

>>88955218
Actually no one outside the target public knows them. Fucking poison Ivy is a more popular helloween costume than any of them.

>>88954597
>statistics

Where? Where did you post statistics, spiderfag? How about Spider-man's failing comics, underperforming movies, and complete lack of toys on the shelves?

Iron Man is more popular than Spider-man.

>>88955218
>No one knows Dr. Octopus, Venom or Green Goblin.

That's what I said. Other than Venom who was big in the 90's and then disappeared, those characters are completely cultutally irrelevant. For fucks sake, Norman was dead until the Clone Saga. When I grew up he didn't even exit.

There's a reason that evil clown supervillains and bald-headed supergeniuses are a trope and hoverboard goblins aren't.


>>88955445
>I really don't see the point of getting a digital copy of a comic you just bought a physical copy of.

You can download and read your comic from any device anywhere in the world. If you're out at lunch and decide you want to read a certain comic you don't have to go all the way to your house to get it.

>>88940360
In japan, the cost of one Marvel title will get you all of SJs titles that week

>>88955527
>look up the stats
>"muh personal anecdote"
>mock you for not looking up the stats
>WAR U EBEN POST STATS?

I'm not a fan of Spider-Man or Marvel but you're easily dumb enough to be their current target demo.

>>88946416

>Mother Panic is beating Infamous Iron Man in sales Nov.
>TA Hulk #1 debut at 120 on chart
>Flash #10 is outselling Thor #1 and Amazing Spiderman
>Fucking DEATHSTROKE is outselling all 3 main X-men titles.


Marvel are getting spanked.

>>88955748
>I...I'm not going to post it but it exists!
I accept your concession.

>>88946416
Isn't Renew Your Vows pulling cancellation numbers?

>>88955748
The stats are one singular chart about toy sales, nothing more. Real adults, not people from 4chan don't buy toys for themselves. Toy sales are a terrible and retarded argument. Especially when spiderman in particular has a long history of cheap merch aimed at toddlers, the popularity of a character that that matters is the people outside a target audience. Every 20 years old can recall green goblin, they grew up with the movie, but 60 years old people can remember the Fucking penguin and the riddler. Catwoman and the joker are on a whole other level.

>>88955831
#2's sales haven't officially come out yet, but #1 was in the top ten. There would have to be a massive, massive drop for it to get to cancellation so soon, which typically doesn't happen.

>>88941874
And you wonder why people are always on about /co/ being filled with Libcucks. You bring Trump into something apolitical.

>>88952524
What is 2015?

>>88946997
You are acting like the Movies/TV division actually get anything really that important from the comics, besides the most basic of ideas.
The Age of Ultron wasn't a Age of Utron movie, it had no Terminator style change the future to save the past aspect, despite it being the basis of Age of Ultron, Ultron didn't behave like Ultron, neither did most characters behave like their comics counter-parts.
Just remember the movie Mandarin, Marvel could just kill the comics line and move on using what they already did as a basis.

>>88958795
While true, how much can they milk franchises? I mean, with so many street level shows getting multiple seasons, what happens when they use up all those stories?

>>88940181
I just enjoy watching Marvel bomb at this point.

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>>88959215
It's much more interesting than their comics.

>>88940181
I think Marvel was just ahead for too long without really trying, they don't actually know why they were successful in the first place at this point. Ike's jewery will be their undoing.

Or maybe they just don't actually care? I mean their comics profits must be peanuts compared to the MCU, maybe as long as they can keep getting good press on The View they don't give a shit about sales. Marvel comics may just be part of their advertising budget at this point.

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>>88940540
>If Marvel is dying, then so DC. They're symbiotic.
That's not how that works at all. Marvel doing poorly is directly dependant on thier progressivism marxist bullshit. People get sick of being told that their comics aren't for them anymore, who'da thunk?

Meanwhile at DC, Batman hasn't been replaced by a blackman, and is still doing batman things with his primarily white family and we're not being told it's a bad thing because they're straight white folks.

I think there's less tmblr/sjw buzzwords in the entiriety of DC than in one marvel comic at this point. That kind of high level saturation is toxic enough to kill off a few thousand readers.

And before you start, I'm primarily a marvel reader, but there's been rpactically nothing to read between Bendis fuckign everything up and forcing black arachnid as the new spiderman, slott shitting on what's left of Pete, Bendis again killing off the entire iron cast for his black teen mary sue, more gay pandering forced by bendis and whoever's writing "champions", and more racial diversity by erradicating/subverting all the white folks. There's probably more but it's depressing to think about. At least we have Nova and MoonKnight., at least until Rich dies again and Marc get's replaced by Black Knight.

>>88959600
>Marc get's replaced by Black Knight.
>SJWs get angry over depictions of a black man murdering people in the name of his ancient Egyptian death god

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I guess I just buy DC and Dark Horse now.

>>88959739
>yfw they're okay with him murdering evil white people
>yfw they're just no okay with his "god" being from Egypt instead of Africa
>also he's pansexual

>>88940181
is this a good thing?

>>88959215
>>88959347
I agree. How the fuck can a company be screwing up like this is beyond my comprehension.

>>88955649
And this is why I've switched over to manga. It's more economical and I actually get a variety of stories.

>>88963020
Eurocomics for me.

>>88940181
>this is going to drive me away from my LCS
>I'm just gonna wait for digital sales then

This logic is fucking stupid. Otherwise, this plan from Marvel is dumb too.

>>88946192
>Gwenpool might have a chance because she's likeable
xD

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>>88952184
Would you still like a company that constantly keep churning out shit, has been shitting on your favorite characters for the past decade and is going out of it's way to piss-off his former readership?

I grew up with Marvel, the first comics I bought were Marvel and my pull list is still largely Marvel, but I'm glad they're going downhill, it might be a wake up call for them.

>>88963710
Same here. I don't know why Marvel fans are gluttons for punishment. When a company fucks you over repeatedly, you abandon them.

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>>88963769

>>88952184
Is it really better than DC fanboys living in denial during the New52 years? At least most Marvel fanboys recognize a problem.

>>88941350

>Feige books Hotel room with Sony CEO
>Gets rights to spider-man for Civil War

>>88955218
Doc Ock really isn't that well known you delusional faggot

>>88963769
I haven't completely abandoned them, but I've gone from 30 Marvel books a month to 1 a month

>>88955800
>>Mother Panic is beating Infamous Iron Man in sales Nov.
Bendis well and truly BTFO

>>88964078
Well OBVIOUSLY it's because Infamous is about a wealthy white cishet male.

>>88955800
to be fair, prieststroke is a pretty decent book. Much, much better than the average comic out now. i'm happy people are responding to good quality work.

>>88963830
>le New 52 didnt have good books maymay

spotted the marvelfag

>>88954564
Dude most casuals have no clue who Lex Luthor is.

>>88964257
>>being this dumb

>>88964222
And Marvel still has good books, your meme is irrelevant.

>>88964287
Go ask a non comic book reader, right now, who Lex Luthor is and they'll either say "I don't know," will only give you a vague "that bald guy, right?", or Jesse Eisenberg.

>>88964319
>Marvel still has good books
Anon, the fact they're giving them away for free doesn't mean they're good.

>>88964343
>being this dumb

>>88964376
Ah, so you're still delusional, even after all this time.

>>88964430
about which one?

Lex is well known dude, sorry.

>>88955643
He was being sarcastic you dumb shit.

>>88941236
Usually what you see reported by one LCS owner on twitter is backed up by other LCS owners. I should ask the guy who runs mine (he's actually pretty regularly featured in BC's round up of what's selling at the LCS level) what his thoughts are on this. He'll probably back up the sentiment.

>>88964064
I've been of a fan of Marvel ever since 2000 when they released the Ultimate books. I've stayed with them for 14 years and I think I've given them more than enough time to get their shit together.

>>88965712
My LCS voiced these concerns over the years. Especially after DC priced its books 2.99 while Marvel hasn't done jackshit.

>>88965978
I've seen a couple LCS say that they make more per book off Marvel books since they're priced higher but they frequently move more DC books since Rebirth

>>88960257
Egypt is in africa you dunce

>>88965978
My two local stores are basically gearing up for a "Marvel day" to clearance out both the extra stock they were given and the fact this news has already caused a lot of their usuals to drop Marvel books. The one closest to me said a lot of them are just moving that money spent to other Rebirth titles or experimenting with smaller publishers.
I can't speak country wide but Marvel is killing what few followers it had here.

>>88967414
This is why I'm switching to DC. Any titles to look out for? I usually only buy TPBs of major storylines for DC because I'm more familiar with Marvel.