>itt: patrician tier ships

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>>88939065
>trinity shipping
>patrician

pick one

You first

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>>88939065

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Get outta here, OP

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>>88939065
No, fuck off

>>88939310

What's Steve Trevor personality like?

>>88939065
>Trinity
>>88939096
>Not Wallace
Loser retard
>>88939130
>Black Cat, the shitty Catwoman ripoff
>>88939214
>Mr.Cuck and Mrs.Superpornstar
>>88939225
Abomination end yourself
>>88939241
>>>/o/
>>88939294
>Literally who
>>88939319
>Batman with anyone
>>88939346
Use that small amount of grey mass in your head and you'll figure it out on your own.

>>88939346
Chad who is content to be the damsel in distress to a tall Amazon goddess and just enjoys the ride. And the sex.

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>>88939470
Batman is great with Selina but his destiny is to die alone

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>>88939065
Inb4 the Harlivyfag

>>88939319
>>88939513

>>88939319

Other than the sexual tension i don't see what's the fun about this pairing.

Maybe if Selina had actually been Carmine Falcone's bastard and writers had explored Thomas Wayne's quasi-friendship with the Falcones there'd be a story there, since their relationship could potentially tarnish the Wayne's good name. But nothing came out of it other than the Frank Miller and Jeph Loeb's stories.

Selina's just a slippery thief and a temptress who Batman feels pity and sexual attraction. Once you hook them up, for whatever reason, their story potential end. That's why DC always roll the clock back.

Honestly, there's more story potential between Batman and Harley Quinn, of all people, than between Batman and Catwoman.

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>>88939065
Elder God Tier passing through

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>>88939065
Why has Aquaman got the best waifu out of all seven founding League members?

>>88939552
Nah, she deserves The Joker

>>88939470
>>88939503

Well, i was asking.

Golden and silver age Steve Trevor was just a sexist smart-ass that would constantly nag Wonder Woman about settling down with him and Nu52 Steve Trevor was firstly a poor man Rick Flag and now a poor man Batman.

Seriously, Wonder Woman would be better off dating Artemis.

>>88939625
Current Harley is so shit she deserves to be in an abusive relationship desu

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>>88939625
>Nah, she deserves abuse and pain

End yourself

>>88939642
IMO that goes for every Harley ever

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>>88939470
Don't talk shit about USS Constitution..

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>>88939666
>implying Ivy doesn't abuse her too

>>88939470
You are obviously a queershit, die from AIDs.

>>88939680
>tfw i have been on that ship.

I'm not.
I simply want you to post it on a better board, that will actually praise her.

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>Batman
>having sex

Can we please not?

Either way.

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>>88939666
Ivy is abusive too, shithead

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>>88939722
>Implying she does it

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>>88939755
Any Dickship is better than Dickbabs

>>88939804

I'll never, NEVER understand DickxBabs.

Seriously. I'd rather see Bruce and Dick fucking in canon than that shit.

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>>88939756
Oh-boohoo, an out of context panel suddenly means something. Why don't you post aslo "The Bet" story even though Harley was on the game too, or the Robin & Ivy & Harley story from the BTAS tie-in books even though the Harley & Ivy friendship wasn't set on stone yet, or wait what about the Harley & Ivy backup story from Batman Adventures? That sure is gonna shut me up even though Ivy was going through the process of converting from human to plant and was lashing to to everyone

Pic related my face

>>88939346
batman-lite

>>88939854
>getting this triggered

The truth hurts, doesn't it anon?

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>>88939310
>>88939319
These are both patrician choices, but I was thinking the other night about how, for as much as people talk about how Superman would clean up Gotham, I'd love to see a story or two about Wonder Woman fighting Gotham City rogues. Maybe she captures Poison Ivy and pic related ensues.

>>88939836
I'd rather have DickxDonna

>>88939888
Nah, it doesn't. I'm just tired of casuals and Jarley shippers just posting shit out of context and shit with twisted meaning

>>88939872

Just like Tom Tresser, then.

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>>88939533
My patrician friend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyzuzJhzoDc

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>>88939836
Bruce and Dick are canon now though, anon

>>88939918

Fuck, they've always been fucking perfect for each other.

That shit will always bother me. Yeah, yeah. Besties forever. Whatever. DickxDonna are perfect, but instead Dick is constantly dealing with nagging bitches and Donna taking care of manchilds.

>>88939942

Fucking finally. About time.

>>88939552
>elder god tier
more like intro to dyke ships tier

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>>88939919
>Jarley
Oh, fuck off tumblr.
Without Joker, Harley wouldn't even exist.
They deserve each other, both are crazy fuckers and she loves it.

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>>88939065
Forced Ship Thread?

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>>88939982
I like Dicknighter, but I don't think Midnighter would chose Dick over his husbando

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>>88939738
How do you feel about the Kuznetsov anon?

The Harley Quinn/Poison Ivy ship literally ruined Poison Ivy as a character.

>>88939552
>there will come a time when friendships in comics will never exist, where simply making eye contact with someone of the same sex implies a homosexual relationship

>>88940007
A shame, since unlike Apollo, Dick actually has a personality.

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>>88940020
This, she craves for the Bat.
Harley can have The Joker.

>>88939979
>taking a conversation completely out of context
itp; delusions

>>88940020
THIS. They basically turned her into 'Harley Quinn's Loving, Supporting Girlfriend' rather than her being a human-hating, plant-obsessed supervillain

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>>88939997
Nah, p/u/re perfection

>>88940020
Didn't happen until Palmiotti Harley solo tho, so it didn't ruin Ivy character beyond Harley solo

>>88940057

That's how sex works for Batman.

>>88940007
That's why I like Midnighter, he's a faggot sure but he's a cool fucking faggot.

>>88940080

Even in Gotham City Sirens Poison Ivy was acting as Harley Quinn's lapdog and sidekick. That comic ended with her being BTFO by Quinn, even.

>>88940080
See I like Harley and Ivy being pals and fooling around once in a while that's cool, but it'll never be considered "canon" since it seems like every comic Harley is in she fluctuates on who she's with. Sometimes she's with Joker, sometimes she's with Ivy other times she's with some other completely random ship. It's inconsistent so I never take her seriously.

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>>88940076
>'Harley Quinn's Loving, Supporting Girlfriend'

Again, that only happens in Harley's solo, outside of that she's still is the Ivy you fags know and love

>>88940112

In Sirens Ivy had more independence than being Harley's lapdog, so using Sirens as your defense is useless

The only good thing about the Batman/Wonder Woman ship are all the angsty fanfics. Man, i love that shit. Specially the ones where Batman cuck himself or die.

It would suck in the comics, though. I don't even know how that shit would work out.

>>88940147

>Again, that only happens in Harley's solo, outside of that she's still is the Ivy you fags know and love

Ivy hasn't manipulated a dude into killing himself for a long time.

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Gonna post some real Ivy

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>>88940137
It'll never be considered "canon" since that's the nature of comics, a never-ending story but if Harley had a goodbye story have for secure that it'll be with her and Ivy. Word of Dini say so

>>88940190
That's not on Harley, that's on the writers. Blaming Harley for the writers incompetence of coming with an Ivy story is stupid. Hell if you wanna blame someone blam IvyLeague since they are the ones pushing for an anti-hero Ivy, not us

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>>88940255
If you say so. Though to be honest I'd prefer Ivy going full hero like Clayface since I've always considered her a tragic villain.

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>>88940280

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>>88940322

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>>88940252
>>88940280
>>88940322
>>88940313
>Posting a Ivy story on where she let herself being beaten
>Prefering a hero Ivy instead of villain

God you fags are so inconsistent with your shit.

>>88940252
>>88940280
>>88940322
>>88940347
Thank you. I'm not a fan of retarded cuck nu Ivy.

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>>88939836
Can anyone tell me why /co/ hates Dickbabs so much?

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>>88940347

>>88940355
But that's cuck Ivy too, in that story she's literally Bats lapdog, she doesn't even fight back!

JESUS H. CHRIST

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>>88940369

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>>88940399

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>>88939540

They're both orphans with troubled pasts who gallivant through the night in silly costumes as a form of escapism. Bruce is a sheltered and withdrawn trust-fund baby, Selina is an impoverished runaway gutter tramp. She foils his repressed sexuality and insularity, and challenges his world of black and white. Batman believed in the inherent good of Catwoman when nobody else ever would, and thus changed the way she thought about herself and her actions. They mirror and understand each other in ways no other characters do, they have a great dichotomy. It's sweet and romantic, sometimes fun and sometimes tragic, what's so hard to understand about that? Their families don't have to be connected in order for there to be stories worth telling.

And yeah, Batman being alone is the almighty status quo, and thus must be sated.

>>88939065
>shipping
>patrician
pick one, faggot

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>>88940421

>>88939957
the only time it happened it was a nightmare dick was having. Dick was married to Donna, but the marriage was failing and it was implied she was cheating on him.

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>>88940451

>>88940451
>>88940477

WoW, totally different from what you fags hates

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>>88940477

>>88940365

Firstly, Dick and Barbara had a neat dynamic that had Dick as the younger kid in love playing cool and mature woman who liked to tease.

Secondly, to match the cartoons at the time they retconned Dick and Barbara past dynamic and deaged Barbara.

Thirdly, it became a forced and annoying star-crossed lovers bullshit.

Fourthly, it's an on and off thing with no payoff and all it gives us is Barbara constantly nagging Dick about his life choices.

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>>88940514
That's it, guys

>>88939310
10/10

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>>88940507
Seriously?

>>88940551
Seriously >>88940535 ?

>>88940527
It's even more annoying because it's a really popular pairing (on sites other than 4chan) so it's unlikely to end anytime soon

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>>88940567
There's no connection between those pics.

>>88940624
Sure, so Ivy's isn't Bats lapdog even after this two pages? >>88940514 >>88940535

>>88940643
I think you might be confused and/or ESL.

>>88940551

Holy shit that's pathetic. What happened to Ivy?

>>88940432

>They mirror and understand each other in ways no other characters do

That's false.

>Their families don't have to be connected in order for there to be stories worth telling.

It would create a lot of story-telling opportunities.

As it is Batman doesn't need really Catwoman to have his worldview, since all his rogues challenge his black and white morality, and, to be frank, Catwoman doesn't really need Batman to find out she can do good. So if you take away the cat-and-mouse dynamic and sexual tension there isn't much else to explore with them. They only work as a static thing.

>>88940667
Man, Ivy doesn't fight back, she literally gets herself get punched and let it be, while you fags scream and shout about Ivy being Harley's lapdog even though Ivy only helps Harley from time to time. Those pages are literally the same shit that you fags hate

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>>88939096

>>88940474

She was cheating on him with Bruce, to be exact.

>>88940687
One bad writer, that's it.

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>>88940733
wtf bruce first barbara then donna, has he ever been with kori?

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>>88940753
I don't get it

>>88939096
I approve. I think the source material would have worked much better if they were teenagers.

>>88940790

It was a nightmare Dick was having. Chuck Dixon loved to explore the idea that Dick felt inadequate next to Bruce and was constantly trying to measure up to him. So of course he'd be cucked by Bruce in his nightmare.

>>88940255
On the DCEU, HARLEY ENDED WITH A GUY.

>>88940826
AND IT BOMBSHELLS IN ENDED WITH IVY

NEVER-ENDING STORY

The true patrician ship is not being an insufferable autistic retard emotionally investing yourself in hypothetical relationships between fictional characters

You can't prove me wrong.

>>88940255
>Harley had a goodbye story have for secure that it'll be with her and Ivy
Nope. She ended up marrying a guy after the Joker died, and had kids.

I remember YOU asked Dini on Twitter if the DeeDees were related to Ivy because of the hair (are you retarded?) and he said no.

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Why are Harlivyfags so obnoxious? They ruin every shipping thread with their autism

>>88940865
It wasn't me and I really have clear that the Dee-Dees weren't Ivy related simply because I read it elsewhere, in a DCAU-based Wikia IIRC

>>88940820
That still former make sense from a Donna standpoint. Tell me the issue so i can see it for myself

>>88940818

I just like the bittersweetness of it all plus Lisa is just adorable

>>88940350
Nigga she's always been on the grey area of the spectrum I'd like her to actually go good maybe even join JLD or become a full blown JL member. Imagine the stories of Batman training her or teaming up with someone like Cyborg? This shit writes itself.

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>>88940865
>She ended up marrying a guy after the Joker died
That's actually the perfect ending for Harley.
She only get rid of The Joker after he dies and has a miserable life anyway because she loved The Joker.

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Jean Grey is Worst Girl

>>88940933
Well, that's basically canon.

>>88940931
You fags are inconsistenT, because I've seen you idiots praise and claim villain Ivy but the moment Ivy does something for Harley's benefits (and sometimes a thing that benefits both her and Harley) you fags scream "RUINED RUINED REEEEEEE"

>>88940982
Being a self proclaimed cuck benefits herself and Harley?

>>88940982
I don't mind It helping Harley but can you tags have Harley helping Ivy for chance. It's always what Harley gets from Ivy so no mean joker to mess her up. But Harley never does shot for Ivy.
It's always Harley' s gf, not Ivy' s GF. It's not well balanced since one is clearly way more popular so she has to be the main focus.

>>88941036
This. Harley is never shown helping or benefiting Ivy in any way, it feels like a one-sided relationship

>>88940699

>That's false.

How so?

>It would create a lot of story-telling opportunities.

It would be a pointless addition. You could have Batman grow six arms and that would allow for a lot of story-telling opportunities. That does not mean it's an avenue worth pursuing.

>As it is Batman doesn't need really Catwoman to have his worldview, since all his rogues challenge his black and white morality

Yeah right, as if the Scarecrow or the Joker poisoning the entire city makes him question the way he looks at things. Or Penguin putting a hit on somebody.

>Catwoman doesn't really need Batman to find out she can do good.

That's not the point. Why do you insist on attacking the narrative? It's pathetic and petty and indicative of you reaching.

>So if you take away the cat-and-mouse dynamic and sexual tension there isn't much else to explore with them. They only work as a static thing.

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. We've had stories of them chasing one another, them working together, them becoming married and having a child, them having someone else's child, professing love for one another, them fighting each other, them doing their own things, them missing each other...I don't know how you can justify that statement. What more do you want the writers to prove?

>>88941036

What i don't understand is that Harley Quinn is constantly chasing dicks and pussies while still keeping Poison Ivy around, but you never see Ivy scoring any on the side. She's just always there on call for Harley's sake.

I mean... it's fucking Ivy, the femme fatale.

>>88939540
>Honestly, there's more story potential between Batman and Harley Quinn, of all people, than between Batman and Catwoman.
No, sorry, but just no. If anything Catwoman has always been portrayed as a vagabond without direction who just does what she wants no real direction or cause, while batman is a man on a mission with a clear and present direction to his cause having those to fuck once in a while is perfect because it usually comes about when either Catwoman needs help or when she stumbles on his path and tags along for the ride(kek). Quinn is just an anarchist who likes messing with anyone who bumps into her, if anything they should make Catwoman disappear for a couple of years and come back with a bastard of Batman, a girl preferably. Imagine the possibilities into bringing an infant girl into the Batman family, the stories from Damians side alone would be worth it, not to mention the Catwoman stories being a single mother raising daughter, Batmans daughter of all people.

>>88939065
Why do people hate BMxWW so much? It's great in DCAU. It was pretty okay in comics (they've loved each other during the whole pre-new52 after jla 97, but there were only funny teasing). No need relationship. Teasing, kisses and sudden embaressing sex is enough for me.

>>88941084
Ivy has been defanged a long time ago, sadly. She's only used for fanservice and boasting about nonexistent kweer points.

Meanwhile Harley is the polyamorous chick (with a big slant towards the dick) who hops on a cock any time she wants.

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>>88941001
Is not even that, since I also hate that, it's the moments like these that make me upset while you fags praise when it's Ivy and someone else doing the same shit

>>88941036
Becuase that's the dynamic of the pairing, Harley is the childish one that gets herself into trouble while Ivy is the more mature one that keeps herself out of trouble, it is like Pinky and the Brain, one act calm and the other mess things around

Harley's GF came from the fact that Harley is more popular now and gets more recognition, if Ivy had more recognition I guarantee you it be Ivy's GF instead of Harley's GF

>>88941127
>Meanwhile Harley is the polyamorous chick (with a big slant towards the dick) who hops on a cock any time she wants.

Which is a part that everyone hates, nobody asked that and nobody is glad that she is what she is now. Eveyone agrees that Poly-Harley was put there so that Palmiotti & Conner could self-insert better

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>>88940809
>>88940255
I find posting Bombshells as "proof" ironic because not only the Joker was in that and still the love of Harley's life, but there's zero Harley x Ivy merch.

Meanwhile Joker x Harley got this and the funko too.

>>88941103
It's a combination of

Batfags see WW as a prize for Batman to have, because they it shows how superior he is to everyone by having someone like Wonder Woman after his dick

People ship them with other characters (Wonder Woman with Steve Trevor, Batman with Catwoman)

>>88941215
I ship Batman with Supergirl.

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>>88941197
>Still the love of her life

Haha no. Also the comic was created after the merch have been announced. Bombshells merch and comic have nothing in common besides the designs, you can see that by the while that Bennett plot the stories

>>88940912
>Bruce x Babs
Questionable canon from a quasi "universe" of the animated series.
>Bruce x Donna
Dream squence.

Sounds legit.

Is this Harley/Ivy fag autistic? Why is he still posting?

>>88941065

>How so?

Other than being orphans that had a trouble past and wear costumes, they don't have anything else in common. That's what i meant. They hardly understand each other as well. Batman keep trying to urge Catwoman to be more selfless and have some measure of control on her while Catwoman keep trying to challenge Batman's morality and actions and straying him from his mission. Sure, that's part of their struggle and development before they reach an understanding, but my point is that they don't have an innate understanding of each other.

The Joker, Scarecrow and Penguin aren't his only enemies, despite the character's popularity. There's also Two-Face, Mad Hatter, Ventriloquist, Killer Croc, Clayface and several other nutcases that are more victims of their illness and the system than anything else. Even Catwoman falls more into the Penguin's category since she usually start stealing for selfish reasons, not out of necessity. She only start to steal to right wrongs and help others after going through a bit of development.

No, we had plenty of stories of them chasing one another, a few of them working together and very few of them professing their caring for one another. The whole marriage and kid stuff is pure background stuff for Helena Wayne's, who's biggest motivation was finding her mother's killer. Selina is to Helena what Uncle Ben is to Spider-Man. Once their reach the allies stage writers role the clock back.

>>88941215
Oh, I see. But Trevor is actually pretty blunt and boring. He should stay in the closet. And Batman shouldn't be in relationship with anyone. Only fucking female superheros and villains.
>>88941233
If Batman is Dick it's alright. Bruce is more like uncle figure.

>>88941286
He makes a lot of spelling/grammar mistakes and refuses to listen to others' arguments so yeah, he's probably autistic

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>>88941286
Yes. Post more Joker or Harley/men to trigger him further.

>>88940982
I've never said ruined, I give stories a cahnce and either like them or don't but never felt the need to bitch and moan. I've ALWAYS felt Ivy should've been one of the first to go hero even when I was a kid watching TAS.

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>>88941317
Sure

>>88941318
I'm talking in general terms. Mostly the board will applaud Ivy doing something good for someone, but the moment that Ivy does something good for Harley she is suddenly "Ruined". Just look at the Batgirl issue with Ivy, she acted like she does in the Harley comic but now is good because it isn't Harley she's helping

>>88941215

Batfags usually hate trinity shipping.

The only ones i see shipping Batman/Wonder Woman are cartoonfags or certain Wonder Woman fags.

The biggest reason why Barfags hate the BM/WW is because they feel uncomfortable about Batman being shown as an autistic lovestruck puppy who places Wonder Woman in a pedestal like that Phill Jiminez story about the Olympian gods attacking Gotham.

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Remember when Harley put Joker's face on Deadshot?

>>88940085
so he just eh has sex with his entire rogue gallery?

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OTP

>>88941179
That doesn't balance anything out. It just makes it seem Harley has Ivy caged for when she fucks up just to gey some support but it never goes the other way.

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>>88939942
The only correct Batman ship to be honest

>>88941373
Batman/WW was a thing a lot of years in comics. Not only cartoonfags.

>>88941278
I hate the idea that Dock feels second to Bruce when it was never supposed to feel that way.

>>88941370
They obviously have not read enough of her material, Ivy has always had some good in her way before Harley. Other than throw away stories where she wasn't the focus or a mob character. Shippers are fucking stupid and you're surprised?

>>88941303

The biggest problem about BM/WW in my opinion is that writers try to apply the SM/BM dynamic to it with the whole light and day, hope and cynicism, happiness and fear thing, but with the added romantic twist to it. So you've Batman acting like a teenager who's falling in love for the first time and can't stop worshiping Wonder Woman, while Wonder Woman keep trying to make Batman to open up and give love a chance. It would be some real Beauty and the Beast bullshit and nobody wants that.

Then there's just the the problems that arise in trying to make each other fit in their respective setting. It simple doesn't work. Wonder Woman would mop his rogues and Batman would become even more obnoxious trying to sound knowleble about magical and mythical creatures.

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>>88941452
Harley have helped Ivy too in the past, you know

>>88941494
I'm suprised that they trash the pairing without knowing Ivy's history, I mean she helped a bunch of homeless kids back in No Man's Land even as far as save them from Clayface

>>88941479

Yeah, but it's always the same shit with Batman going on and on about Wonder Woman being the most beautiful thing ever and the light of the world, and him not needing faith because she's his hope for the future. I mean, come on, man. The woman is a amazon with anger issues that isn't above snapping some necks. What's this bullshit about her representing his hope?

>>88941490
It's reader tastes that decide what's real and what's not. Like anything with Bruce Timm BatsxBabs shippers and cuckfags hold as gospel even though it's been stated multiple times that those universes are pseudo canon AT BEST and only meant to be taken with a grain of salt. If they're citing TAS and it's spinoff garbage comics then you're reaching.

>>88941510
>>88941569
I don't mind them just teasing each other from time to time and have some drunk hatesex in watchtower after some mission. No need relationship bullshit which ruining them both.

>>88941591

Dude, Chuck Dixon entire work with Nightwing was all about Dick resent Bruce because he feels emasculated by him. So every time he'd show Bruce as this major jerk that is always putting Dick down and Dick moping around because Bruce was a jerk or he isn't as good as Bruce.

>>88939552
Literally lowest trash taste.

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>>88941300

>Other than being orphans that had a trouble past and wear costumes, they don't have anything else in common. That's what i meant. They hardly understand each other as well. Batman keep trying to urge Catwoman to be more selfless and have some measure of control on her while Catwoman keep trying to challenge Batman's morality and actions and straying him from his mission. Sure, that's part of their struggle and development before they reach an understanding, but my point is that they don't have an innate understanding of each other.

They also both have a soft spot for the underprivileged and orphans. My point was that they had a duality that led to a great dichotomy. Saying they "hardly understand each other" is indicative of the fact that you're not well-read at all. They know what it's like to be alone, to push people away because of what they went through as children, how their alter-egos have become a part of who they are and how they can't quit no matter how many people they care about get hurt.

>The Joker, Scarecrow and Penguin aren't his only enemies, despite the character's popularity. There's also Two-Face, Mad Hatter, Ventriloquist, Killer Croc, Clayface and several other nutcases that are more victims of their illness and the system than anything else. Even Catwoman falls more into the Penguin's category since she usually start stealing for selfish reasons, not out of necessity. She only start to steal to right wrongs and help others after going through a bit of development.

And none of those have ever challenged Batman in the ways that Catwoman does. And she developed as a character through her interactions with Batman, I'm not quite seeing what your argument is here.

The vast majority of their stories for the past 20 years have been romantic. Again, stop using the status quo as ammunition for your argument. It doesn't work. The last reboot was company-wide and hardly a response to Bruce and Selina becoming incredibly close.

>>88941629

Batman and Wonder Woman having a one night-stand would be horrible for both.

It's like when George Perez wanted to have Superman and Wonder Woman having a one night-stand where Wonder Woman would be disappointed with Superman's sexual prowess. I mean, who wants that shit?

Also, Batman's a good and proper gentleman. He'd never do that.

>>88941668
And WW would never have a one night stand with anyone least of all a fan.

>>88939913
>for as much as people talk about how Superman would clean up Gotham

When has he actually tried ? Beside a story from No Man's Land, I can't think of any

>>88941638
Honestly it's never bothered me, though I prefer the stories where Dick is shown to be on at or close Batman level even though he's substantially younger. Nightwings entire solo run pre-n52 was him basically getting over than.

>>88941668
SM/WW is horrible in any way. BM/WW is okay for one night-stand. It's like beautiful and smart people have sex, mate.
>good and proper gentleman
There is nothing wrong about having random sex with collegue you like.

>>88939130
The one true choice

>>88941303
Nah, Bruce Bats.
I like the thought of Supergirl pushing him around, and it seems like it would be cute.

>>88941657

They hardly understand each other. They get to understand and accept each other to some measure with time, but they don't start like that.
Oh, and Bruce was never alone, Selina never pushed others. What they have in common is that care for the underprivileged and orphans, and tend to collect strays.

Tons of them challenged Batman WAY more than Catwoman ever did. Catwoman only challenge Batman sexually and romantically.

My argument is that outside of the chase that leads to the understanding, that leads to the camaraderie, that leads to the friendship/on-and-off love, there's not much to explore.

And you don't need a reboot to roll the clock back. They always end up mindwiping Catwoman somehow. It happened with pre-CoIE Earth-1 Catwoman, it happened with post-CoIE New Earth/Earth-0 Catwoman, it's not happening with Nu52 Catwoman with the stupid terrorist killing thing.

I'd actually like if they managed to develop them further. That's why i liked so much the idea of Selina being Carmine Falcone's bastard. It gave a new venue to explore. A Wayne and a Falcone getting together, their relationship making the media dig up old connections, the shitstorm bringing them apart, them persevering. I even liked the recent mob thing they did away with.

I'm actually kinda frustrated with the BatCat thing.

>>88941743

Batman and Wonder Woman never have a one night-stand. They're responsible and caring people.

>>88941858

You just want to ship Superman and Batman without feeling gay. Admit it.

>>88941137
yes

>>88941958
>Superman
Nah, he's too mature.

>>88941932
>implying you can't be responsible and caring people while having rough hatesex from time to time
C'mon, man. That's how it works to beautiful people. No one needs relationship.

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>>88939470
>My opinion if the only right one
Kys

>>88942087

Wait, wait... why would Batman and Wonder Woman have hatesex? Sure, they're both stubborn and like to push each other's buttons, but they're friends and allies.

But seriously, Batman's too controlled and composed. He has an image to protect. And Wonder Woman's too respectable and modest. She'd never sleep around, much less with a colleague.

>>88942158
>Wait, wait... why would Batman and Wonder Woman have hatesex?
Well, new52 ones definetly would have. WW hated Bats for some reason, and Bruce hated WW for trying to corrupt his bestfriend to injustice level.
>Batman's too controlled and composed
>Let Catwoman force him to fuck her on the roof everytime
>Wonder Woman's too respectable and modest.
And there is nothing wrong with having sex with superior human warrior.

Also, fuck Geoff Johns for trying to set up a trinity love triangle. I hated that he tried to portray Batman as a cuck and Superman constantly feeling insecure about not measuring up to Batman.

>>88942232

This is wrong...

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Patrician ships, eh?

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I'm still sad

>>88942249
There were no such thing. Bats were just afraid for his bro being corrupted into some injustice-level douchebag. Bruce haven't felt a shit about WW, only paranoia.
>>88942282
And what's exactly wrong about it?

>>88942482

I don't like the idea of two heroes just sleeping around like that. What's this? The Avengers?

>>88940057
What's the story behind this

>>88941888

Not the anon you were replying to, but this is not only all unsubstantiated, but it's some real nit-picky shit. Kinda sad, man.

>>88942628
Keep reading the thread, it got storytimed here >>88940252

>>88942567
There is nothing wrong about sleeping with person you like, anon. Dick is famous manwhore, but also nicest person with tons of friends.

>>88942746

It's not nit-picky to point out that BatCat never progress. And everything i said was the truth.

>>88942781

Batman doesn't slee- i mean, Wonder Woman doesn't sleep around.

>>88942915
Well, she could make an exception for Bruce. He is top tier human and literally knight.

>>88941888

>They hardly understand each other. They get to understand and accept each other to some measure with time, but they don't start like that.

Yeah, they do understand each other. Not EVERY LITTLE ECCENTRICITY, but yeah they both get WHY each other does the things they do. They just don't always agree with each other.

>Oh, and Bruce was never alone, Selina never pushed others. What they have in common is that care for the underprivileged and orphans, and tend to collect strays.

Bruce has always felt alone, Alfred tried his best but he wasn't equipped to handle what Bruce was going through. And Selina definitely keeps people at a distance, through lying and manipulation.

>Tons of them challenged Batman WAY more than Catwoman ever did. Catwoman only challenge Batman sexually and romantically.

Like I said, Catwoman imprints a world of grey onto his black/white worldview, and with a manner of regularity. Read literally any Catwoman run. And you're not providing any evidence towards your claims. How does Mad Hatter, who you name-dropped earlier, overtake her on that front?

>My argument is that outside of the chase that leads to the understanding, that leads to the camaraderie, that leads to the friendship/on-and-off love, there's not much to explore.

You're drawing imaginary lines. Writers have already explored beyond that you just don't want to accept it for some reason.

>And you don't need a reboot to roll the clock back. They always end up mindwiping Catwoman somehow. It happened with pre-CoIE Earth-1 Catwoman, it happened with post-CoIE New Earth/Earth-0 Catwoman, it's not happening with Nu52 Catwoman with the stupid terrorist killing thing.

There you go again with the status quo nonsense. The whole deal about the Falcone/Wayne garbage doesn't even merit a retort.

>I'm actually kinda frustrated with the BatCat thing.

More like frustrated a ship you don't like is popular with both authors and readers.

>>88942974

Oh, God, no. The biggest reason why SM/WW is such a bad thing is because writers always focus on their nature as godlike beings. If Wonder Woman were to ever sleep with Batman it would have to be because... well, he's kinda charming, kind... i guess, maybe. Not because he's top-tier human.

Wonder Woman's not a mare being put to breed.

>>88942781

>nicest guy ever
>most handsome guy ever
>all the pros of Batman with none of the cons

Is Nightwing comics' most popular Gary Stu?

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>>88939065

>>88942814

BatCat doesn't progress because DC is terrified of the status quo being threatened. Batman's schtick has become depressed loner, if you take that away by putting him in a relationship with Catwoman then DC thinks he might not sell as much. It's also why they've barely allowed him to progress as a character over the past few decades.

>>88943014
No, I didn't mean she should sleep with him because of THAT. She should sleep with him because she somehow noticed his genntle and soft side of the gentleman and kinght. Like you said about charm etc.
>>88943029
Mature womans like Bruce more I guess. Also Dick is less skilled and kinda too soft and naive for some things.

>>88943107

Didn't he literally cheat on her?

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>>88943122
And she on him. The cheating have been mutual for Dinah and Ollie

>>88942993

They don't start understanding each other. They start at odds.

Bruce doesn't feel alone, he's a loner, but he doesn't feel alone. Maybe romantically.

Catwoman doesn't challenge his morality. She challenge his heart and sexuality muddling things. She only challenge his morality slightly when she start to act as a vigilante, but it's not a big thing.
And Mad-Hatter challenge him because the Mad-Hatter, while disgusting, isn't completely aware of his actions. He's just one example.

I'm not drawing lines. I'm citing their most common path of progression.

This isn't so much about the status quo, but the couple potential. I find that the way writers approach their relationship to be limited.

I don't have a ship. You don't need to attack me.

>>88943086

I just don't see BatCat going further than uneasy fuckbuddies. Them being a couple would defang Catwoman. It would turn her into Batman's sidekick. That's probably why DC always roll things back. They had a good thing with the mobster angle. I don't know why they didn't keep it and decided to bring her back as a thief.

The terrorist killer angle is stupid, though.

>>88943350
Only the top right is any good...maybe the top left too but i was never a fan.
Get the bottom two outta here though.

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>>88943252

Keep on fighting the good fight lmao

>>88943350
Storm X Panther a shit!SHIT!

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>>88943350
>Storm and Black Panther

>>88943447

Do you really like that, though?

Were Batman and Catwoman are shown as two suicidal messes that are only together because they help each other fuck their depression away? Where Catwoman is a serial killer? Where Holly was shown to be just another alias? Where again they keep the meme of rooftop fucking as if their entire relationship amounted to that?

>>88943498

>Where again they keep the meme of rooftop fucking as if their entire relationship amounted to that?

That's literally the first time they've done that.

>>88943583
>What is new52 Catwoman #1

>>88943583

Did you not read her Nu52 ongoing?

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Still made as fuck that this didn't happen and that Warren is now her boyfriend. These two had a lot of potential and it could have been really interesting to have Julian in Laura's book

>>88943600
>>88943603

That wasn't on a rooftop.

>>88943684

It started on one and every time they met it was on one.

>>88943701

It didn't start on one either. They've met plenty of times off rooftops.

Wanna try again?

>>88941461
underrated post

>>88943729

It did start on one more than once in her past series.

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>>88939065

>>88943784

Which one specifically?

>>88943811

I don't know the issues numbers, i only have the digital trades. Do i really need to check?

>>88943850

>I don't know the issues numbers

How surprising.

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Fuck Milhouse.

>>88943877

I'll post the pages, though, smart-ass.

Either way, it's a stupid point to make when the current Batman's run has been treating Catwoman terribly.

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>>88942407
Any ship with Superman seems to feel right.

>>88943907

Well?

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>>88939065
That's not Zatanna.

>>88941461
Cried like a bitch the first time I saw it
Nearly a decade later and it still makes me tear up.

>>88939680
So how does one maintain a ship that effing old? I know absolutely nothing about what goes into ship maintenance so I am genuinely curious.

The only thing I am assuming that it involves chemical preservatives and replacing sections that wound up rotting away due to age.

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Ill break the cape combo

>>88944916
>Blond girl with Brown hair guy

yuck

instant pleb

>>88944937
I do believe the phrase is "don't fix what isn't broken"

>>88939533
threw up in my mouth a little

>>88939065
So pic unrelated then?

>>88939065
excellent taste, OP.

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>>88944798
https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/2016/11/02/preserving-nations-ship/

>>88944916
The correct answer

>>88943650
I don't know if I can think of a single so fit Laura more goddamn boring than Warren x Laura