Spider-man Homecoming

>>88917245

It's a movie we know little about aside from the trailer and cast interviews.

Good thread

>>88917245
I want to fuck Tom Holland.

>>88917245
So did ASM2 kill any chance of seeing Rhino/Electro in the new Sinister Six? Because I'm going to be pissed if that half assed Rhino is all we're getting

I think it's a film people are hyping up and they're going to be disappointed. From the trailer, it looks very bare bones. The plot looks like it's Peter trying to impress Tony to become an Avenger and he fights the Vulture on the way, which is a terrible way to set up a villain for the hero. It's trying to reinvent the wheel by having Ganke, I mean, Ned Leeds be his minority friend, (Cause every MCU hero so far has one), and they're going to try to do another girl who isn't Gwen or MJ because needs to establish this is a new Peter.

You know when people complained about 90's superhero/videogame films when they completely butcher their source material for the big screen? This is what this feels like because they don't want this to feel like a reboot and so we're getting the Peter and Tony show which kind of feels like Gob and George Michael.

>>88918153
I'm never disappointed, as I always expect the worst.

>>88917827
>So did ASM2 kill any chance of seeing Rhino/Electro in the new Sinister Six?

Probably. Word is that Marvel Studios wants to focus on the ones that haven't been touched by Raimi and ASM. Hence why we're getting Vulture. Supposedly Kraven, Scorpion and Chameleon are on the most wanted for by MS for the MCU.

>>88918294
You forgot Mysterio
>Chameleon
Eh, I personally never cared for the guy. But the Rhino stuff is bullshit if true. He was in it for 2 mins and a joke both in design and execution.

>>88918358
>You forgot Mysterio

I wasn't really sure if Mysterio was on the favored list. I mean he's certainly a good candidate in my opinion and would like to see him.

They even have good in-universe justification for him if he decides to rip-off Stark's B.A.R.F. thing and retool it for his own use.

>>88918358
>we will never see Bruce Campbell play Mysterio

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I thought Zendaya was Flash Thompson because I heard he wasn't white or buff in this movie.
I thought she was a guy for a whole week until a friend pointed things out.
To this day I still can't see a girl in this scene.

>>88918513
If we're thinking of the same rumour thread, he was mentioned by the guy. Mysterio is currently on a lot of anons list, and I just don't see the point of Chameleon if he shows up. I mean I get it, one is more about illusions and the other is disguises. But Beck is the better man of misdirection

>>88917245
I'm very hopeful. By the looks of it it seems like they're trying too hard to distance themselves from the past Spider-man movies.
Completely understandable due to the backlash to yet another Spidey movie.

But I'm worried it might have distracted them from making an actual good Spider-man story.

In a way I'd rather they have given Miles the movie and had Spider-man as a netflix series.
A serialised story works best for Parker anyway.

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Having the main villain using technology from one of the Avenger's films gives the cinematic universe more realism and possibly bridges Spider-Man's place between galactic threats the Avenger's usually handle and stuff Daredevil and Iron Fist deal with in the comic books.

Also, if and when Spider-Man does take a larger role in an Avenger's movie it's going have more impact because he spent so much screen time cleaning up the streets of "crime", a very nebulous concept in the eye of a modern day politically savvy teenager.

>>88918616
>I'm *NOT very hopeful.

>>88918616
Miles would've been too much for the current state of political affairs. Peter is safe.

So can we finally admit the suit looks fucking retarded? Full stop, outside of the eyes, looks absolutely atrocious. I guarantee if this was the suit for Amazing Spider-Man 3 everybody would be shitting on it.

>>88917785
good post

>>88918593
>If we're thinking of the same rumour thread, he was mentioned by the guy.

Yeah, we are. I guess I did forget about Mysterio then.

>and I just don't see the point of Chameleon if he shows up.

Agreed. Especially with Shield and Hydra gone. Though that, for me, is probably because my only exposure to Chameleon is from TAS where his introduction was tied to Shield.

>>88918564
>To this day I still can't see a girl in this scene.
I can. Though I understand your confusion.

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>>88917827
>half assed Rhino
There is literally no way to make this character look good in live action.

>>88918692
What if you use an actual rhino.

>>88918294
That's kind of worrisome. If you're going to bring Spider-Man to the MCU, you might as well go all out. Using villains who are known for just being criminals looking for a payday (excluding Kraven in that comment) is like what they did with the Thor Franchise. You could have these high fantasy adventures, but instead they go for Jane Foster bullshit.

The trailer blew the whole damn load for the movie

>>88918666
No

Too much multicult bullshit. The fat filipino "best friend" also looks disgusting to the eye.
Will watch it but only after buying a ticket to another movie.

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>>88918666
>So can we finally admit the suit looks fucking retarded?

No. I think it's a great suit. About as equally as great as the Raimi suit.

Will there be cute boys?

>>88918513
>I wasn't really sure if Mysterio was on the favored list. I mean he's certainly a good candidate in my opinion and would like to see him.

I'd take Mysterio over Kraven, Scorpion and Chameleon. Those later three can not hold their own films. That's right, I'm dissing Kraven.

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>>88918153
>they didn't blow their entire load in the very first trailer, so it's probably going to be shit

>>88918564
I'm more confused how everyone knows who Zendaya is. Like...she's been mentioned on SNL and stuff. Who the fuck is she?

>>88918294
>Word is that Marvel Studios wants to focus on the ones that haven't been touched by Raimi and ASM.
Think that'll go for Norman Osborn as well?
I know some are sick of him but to be fair he's only actually been the villain in one movie out of five. Joker's getting away with a lot more.
I mean I can get holding off for a while but I'd be surprised if Marvel don't use one of the most recognisable villains that they actually hold the rights too.

And let's face it, in about 4 years time a Dark Reign adaptation will go down really well with at least half of the population.

>>88918666
Why are people on this board so autistic about Spider-Man's suit?

>>88918824
You're getting the king of "I can't hold my own movie" villains, which is the Vulture. I'm pretty sure at this point anything is fair game. Bring in Stilt-Man for the next one.

>>88918846
It's a sign you're getting old. I don't know her either, is she a new disney startlet being pushed? Do they still do that?

>>88918828
Let's be serious for a second, even if the movie is certifiably terrible or otherwise deeply flawed it's still going to get a fucking 80% on RT. Some other recent disney films that shall not be mentioned here come to mind
That's the power the mouse holds.
>InB4 lol faggot only cares about critic scores
Oh I don't, but other gullible people do. These same people will keep going and going and keeping these mediocre things alive.

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>>88918769
If you want to fuck Tom Holland, then yes.

>>88918950
>is she a new disney startlet being pushed? Do they still do that?

From what I can gather, yes and yes?

>>88918824
>Kraven, Scorpion and Chameleon.
>Those later three can not hold their own films.

Kraven and Scorpion might. Chameleon I'd agree with though. He'd probably be regulated to being lower tier villain like Shocker and Tinkerer are for Homecoming.

>>88918741
Neat.

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>>88918846
She appeared on a pre-teen Disney show

>>88918828
I'm not saying they didn't blow their entire load, I'm saying this film doesn't have a load to blow. Up front, in all the promotion for this film, it's clear what is the most important aspect of this film. Peter in High School. People are going over the moon speculating who Zendaya is, and it's very likely she is just an OC. There's a fucking math league subplot in the film. It's in the trailer. When Spider-Man is holding up something with that doorway, you see Flash and two other kids in these matching jackets.

I really don't expect much from this film because hey already sold the film as "Peter is in High School, Tony Stark is there"

>>88918666
I could do without the thick black stripes, but I prefer it overall for not having the shiny raised webs from previous Sony flicks.

>>88918926
I don't think it's as much Norman as it is Goblin Nonsense. Every medium of Spider-Man used the Harry Osborn plot, for example.

>>88918741
>Too much multicult bullshit
They're all American though. Possibly American born too.

>>88918958
You could have just said Ghostbusters 2016.

It's insane. It's like Spider-Man fans are seeing something in the trailer that I'm not.

>>88919008
Hell, I can't even see Chameleon putting up a fight against Spidey. And if Marvel ever tries to do Secret Invasion, he would be a redundant force.

>>88918926
>Think that'll go for Norman Osborn as well?

Supposedly not. I think the current climate in the MCU can give him a lot of room to thrive. If they have him being head of a tech conglomerate, that leaves him with little opposition in arms dealing with Hammer, Killian and Stark out of the picture. And shit going down with the Sokovia accords might also allow him to prosper if they try to do the whole Dark Avengers thing but with maybe the Sinister Six.

So yeah, even with no Goblin, there's a lot for Norman to work with.

>>88919121
I was actually thinking The Force Awakens

>>88919043
Yeah, how do anons still not know about this? oh wait wrong board

>>88918750
All of them except Tobey look like fucking grandpas

>>88919152
>Hell, I can't even see Chameleon putting up a fight against Spidey.

Why would he? Isn't Chameleon just normal in terms of physical prowess? He'd probably just be working under someone else that can challenge Spidey and Chameleon's just working under everyone's nose and then Spidey would catch later.

Or maybe some other character would do it if they want to bring in non-spidey characters appear, like Black Widow. I could imagine they could've ran into one another or at the least that she had heard of him before back in her spy days.

>>88918846
Most of the cast haven't even been in a Hollywood movie, this shit is doomed

>>88919092
I'll give you the Harry Osborn plot. I think Harry is important if you're going to have Norman but you don't need to do the 'avenge thine father' story.
I mean I love J.M.DeMatteis story but it doesn't translate well unless you've got years of a long running story behind it.

How would people take Norman doing Dark Reign first, then descending into Goblinhood?

>>88917245
Let's not.

>>88919341
This is the case for a bunch of award winning films. I'm not saying this will be perfect, but your statement was stupid.

>>88919341
>Most of the cast haven't even been in a Hollywood movie, this shit is doomed

Fuck ton of movies have done this and ended out okay. Do you not watch movies?

>>88919349
>How would people take Norman doing Dark Reign first, then descending into Goblinhood?

I wouldn't mind that. Though I think the Dark Reign stuff would have to be toned down some. All I want is for his arch to ultimately culminate to the Goblin over the course of multiple films. More than three, preferably.

>>88917245
F
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>>88918564
it's one of those "the ugly chick looks super cute and fly for the school dance things" more than likely

>>88919547
sometimes i just wanna fuck a girl in the school bathroom

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>>88919547

Apparently not.

I just want Kraven in a future installment rek-ing Peter and his social life.

A massive guy playing Kraven is the only way.

>>88919060
Either you have a shit ton insider knowledge or you're assuming way too much about the plot of this movie. There's been 2 minutes and 11 seconds of footage released so far, and you already know the whole script for the fucking thing.

>>88919583
She' looks pretty good there.

>>88919390
>>88919419
Alright, go ahead and give some examples fuckwads

Based on what I've seen, It'll be a fun, more character-driven movie with a John Hughes-esque aesthetic. It seems relatively lower budgeted than other MCU movies, so I expected it to be very succesful at the box office and generally well-received. Holland seems comfortable in the role, Ned Leeds and Liz Allen seem like charming characters, and I'm digging what Michael Keaton is doing with the Vulture.

It'll be a pretty straightforward movie, with no real surprises storywise. You can make out the plot structure by the trailer alone. But it'll still be fun.

I kind of want to see an adaptation of Book of Ezekiel with Morlun as the villain.

I've probably been listening to Mike + The Mechanics too much lately.

>>88919349
I think Dark Reign as an Avengers film would be the best option. That way, you can actually do something different with the Goblin And it would make sense for Norman to get that position with Trump in power.

>>88919390
>>88919419
Hollywood is a giant circlejerk anyways. Adam Sandler and Kevin James are still in movies and Brendon Fraiser isn't?

>>88918666
Yes. Some more prominent lines could have saved it, but it's so CG it fucking hurts.

>>88919473
Naw man. At most two. One Goblin film that leads into Dark Reign. I won't be able to stand all the conservatives getting riled up for that long.

>>88919876
>Hollywood is a giant circlejerk anyways. Adam Sandler and Kevin James are still in movies and Brendon Fraiser isn't?

That is because sadly Kevin James and Adam Sandler actually make money and Brendon Frasier doesn't.

>>88919236
this place spawned homestuck generals and /mlp/, why wouldn't we watch preteen disney shows?

>>88919665
And the set photos that leaked. Point being, that trailer reveals a lot of the set pieces. We got the Washington DC stuff, which will likely take up 20 minutes of the film. We got the boat sequence, so I'd say that'll be around 15. We got that fight in the school bus parking lot, so let's say 5 minutes. Trailers do give you glimpses into films, but when your locations are varied in the trailer, it pretty much clues you in on what to expect.

>>88919583
at the very least, you can tell she's a girl here

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>>88918692
They said the same exact thing about Vulture and it turned out alright all things considered. You lack imagination anon. I just think its retarded to not use him. You cant even call SONY's an attempt given how little he was featured, not to mention the Six need a heavy hitter.

For the record, my theory on how the movie goes.

>Prologue with Peter being picked up by Happy to go to Germany fight Captain America and his team and getting his new suit, and later Tony Stark dropping Peter off back at home and telling him he's not an Avenger yet.

>Spider-Man performing street-level heroics, such as the capturing the criminals dressed as the Avengers and armed with Chitauri technology.

>Peter begins his sophomore year at the Midtown Science and Technology School. He's a scholarship student and is looked down upon by the wealthy Flash Thompson, who feels overshadowd by Peter. Peter has a crush on Liz Allan and decides to join an academic declathon team to be closer to her, dragging his best friend Ned Leeds along.

>Meanwhile, Adrian Toomes is a career criminal who decides to procure weapons stolen from Stark Industries to keep up with the game now that superpowered vigilantes are patrolling the streets. He acquires weapons from the Tinkerer, a disgruntled Stark Industries engineer.

>Peter has a brief encounter with the Vulture, who escapes.

>The declathon team goes to Washington, D.C. and Vulture attacks their venue to steal something, leading to another confrontation with Spider-Man. Peter manages to rescue his classmates, but is told by Stark that the government-sanctioned Avengers can handle it.

>Peter refuses to accept this, and manages to locate the Vulture back in New York City, leading to another confrontation where the Vulture damages the Staten Island ferry and Peter has to hold it together, destroying his high-tech Stark suit.

>Peter is once again told to let the government handle it and realizes he doesn't care about being an Avenger, he just wants to help people.

>Vulture figures out who he is and attacks the Homecoming dance with his men to drawn Spider-Man out for a fight. Peter confronts him in his old underoos universe, gets his ass viciously beaten, but ultimately wins, proving himself to Stark.

>>88917245
It will probably be an enjoyable if predictable popcorn movie, like all Marvel films. Don't get why people are preemptively dismissing this one as Marvel's first true miss

>>88920237

For the record, no one cares.

>>88919236
You referring to the Bellafags on /tv/?
Do they even still exist?

>>88920237
>Peter wins, but Liz ends up with Flash and not him, although Flash makes amends with him. Peter ends up dancing with Michelle, who secretly has a crush on him.

>Toomes, Tinkerer and Toomes's men are all arrested and their weapons confiscated.

>Stark welcomes him into the Avengers, but Peter declines, saying Stark can call when he needs help but he belongs helping the neighborhood.

>Epilogue with Spider-Man and Iron Man swing through the city together as the people of New York embrace Spider-Man as a hero.

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>>88919659
Kraven could be fun. If they do him, I want to see everything from crossbows to bolas, or perhaps a staff that can turn into a spear. You could also make connections to Klaue and Wakanda if you wanted too

>>88920237
>>88920285
You forgot about Shocker, and we all know Zendaya/Michelle is going to get dropped second movie to make way for Mary Jane

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Looks disappointing to me

>hire another great actor for another (probably) one off villain

>hire the great actor, and then for his villain outfit, give him a giant mask that doesn't show his face

>donald looks to be some small character that tries to sell the shocker gloves

>using the same imagery from the great second spider man movie

>spiderman wont throw one punch supposedly

>>88920344
I wonder what they'll do with Ganke?

>>88920275
Just like how they will be after this movie!

>>88920422
Make him Hob Goblin since he's named after one
The screenwriter said that Ned in the movie is an almagation of Ganke and Ned Leeds
>You lived long enough to see a fat teen riding a goblin glider

>>88920422
Stays on as fat friend who drops legos? I dont know if they will or even want to try Harry again

>>88919903
>Naw man. At most two. One Goblin film that leads into Dark Reign.

Actually, I think it should be the reverse. Dark Reign first, then into Goblin. Dark Reign will be the height of his power as a businessman and his position/relations with the government. Then it falls apart and his deconstruction begins which culminates with his sanity snapping and becoming the Green Goblin.

So maybe two films that leads to Dark Reign, then Dark Reign, then two films about his fallout which ends with him becoming the Goblin, then a film with him entirely as the Goblin.

His rise, his height, his fall then his revenge.

>>88920344
Shocker is just one of Vulture's goons.

>>88918294
>Kraven, Scorpion and Chameleon
>Mysterio, Vulture, Shocker
I count six

>>88920597
>Implying Herman doesnt become the break out villain of this movie, evading the cops, and the movie doesnt end with Spider Man/Tony going to tie up that loose end in a dramatic swinging/flying shot
>Shocker being "just" a Vulture goon
Dont mock the Shocker anon

>>88920525
You're assuming he'll get that many films. Keep in mind, we aren't guaranteed Tom Holland beyond a trilogy. Hell, we don't even know if this will be the Spider-Man franchise to actually go beyond 3. To devote so much effort for a villain who flies around on a hoverboard chucking bombs at people is kind of overdoing it. We don't need 5 movies for the same end result we got at the end of Iron Man 1.

>>88920648
No offense, but that's an underwhelming Sinister Six. Especially since the Chameleon can do jack shit in a fight.

>>88920794
Chameleon is the odd man of this lineup. Ditch him and bring in Rhino or perhaps Doc Ock. Scorpion has potential to be fun on screen, as does Mysterio and Kraven. Shocker I can take or leave, depends on his performance in Homecoming

>>88920765
>You're assuming he'll get that many films.

Hoping, rather than assuming. It's what I'd like to happen. I fully accept that they'd probably do something totally different or even not touch on the character at all.

> Keep in mind, we aren't guaranteed Tom Holland beyond a trilogy.
Very true. Though considering his age I think they intend (for the time being) to hold onto him for as long as possible. I somewhat expect, unless Sony decides to pull out, that they'll announce plans to have Spidey around for plenty of films beyond three.

> To devote so much effort for a villain who flies around on a hoverboard chucking bombs at people is kind of overdoing it.
Unless they play it right. Loki is less than that yet look how they've been holding onto him all this time.

> We don't need 5 movies for the same end result we got at the end of Iron Man 1.
Obadiah was just the last bit of what I was suggesting. Norman's would be his building his empire, enjoy his time at the top, then watch it all fall apart and go insane. And they don't necessarily need to keep Norman confined to just Spidey films. Look at Ross in Civil War.

>>88920794
>Especially since the Chameleon can do jack shit in a fight.

Who says he'd need to? He'd be the rogue of the group.

it seems insane to not give him the symbiote during infinity war

>>88921344
>it seems insane to not give him the symbiote during infinity war

Because they suck.

And reportedly, Spidey isn't appearing in Infinity War.

>>88920839
>>88921168
Like, I just look at that lineup and it looks really lame. What makes Sinister Six interesting is that it's such a variety of powers. Like, Doc Ock, Rhino, Electro, Shocker, Vulture and Sandman in Spectacular Spider-Man is an interesting lineup because they all require Spider-Man to change up his approach to each one (even though Electro and Shocker are somewhat similar). The reason why Sinister Six has been so hyped up for the films is that you get the idea of six of Spider-Man's biggest villains are coming together, not the leftovers. This is exactly why I'm not too excited for this MCU Spider-Man because it's leftovers because they don't want to be like the previous 5 films.

>>88920505
So Ganke with his name changed into Ned Leeds.

>>88921168
But Mysterio can already do the disguise shit and more if he wanted to. Seems like a waste of a slot
>>88921411
Well not in part 1 anyway

>>88921077
Like, I get it, and it would be cool, but I think that if you're going to build up Norman, you're going to have to have a big finish. Make him assemble the Sinister Twelve of something.

>>88920519
If they're going to do Norman and want to link him to Peter they may need Harry.

Just hopefully leave the second goblin stuff alone.

>>88918750
>Raimi suit
>Good

Maybe if you like cosplay

>>88917245
Personally, I'm more interested in Ragnarok and GoTG2. I'm bored with earth shit.

>>88921344
The problem is, Spider-Man 2 comes out a month/2 months after Infinity Wars ends. Which means that any trailers or announcements for the film will have to try to avoid spoiling Infinity Wars. And playing two very connected films like that so close is a dangerous game.

Think about it, if Marvel pulls off Infinity Wars Part 2 and leads into Spider-Man 2 right after, with the same plot details, imagine what Hollywood is going to do? They're going to explode the scene with films that come out a few months apart being connected to each other. "Hey! Want to get what happens in this upcoming film? Better watch this film first!" I'm not saying that sequels or part twos haven't happen before, hell, Kill Bill Part 1 and 2 were about 6 months apart, but having two blockbusters with connected plots 2 months apart would be one of the most dangerous messages you send to Hollywood.

>>88921489
Agreed. I want to see Ego the Living Planet with his glorious face!

>>88918666
It like the suit from the first ASM movie. People are hypocrites.

>>88917245
Why do you want to talk about a shitty movie about a shitty character?

>>88921423
>variety of powers
>Electro and Shocker do the same thing

>>88921482
t. Andrew Garfield

>>88921443
>Well not in part 1 anyway
There is no part one. He's not in Infinity War at all.

>>88921423
>Like, I just look at that lineup and it looks really lame.
It seems no lamer to me than the Avengers lineup. Hawkeye, Tony and Romanoff have no powers, but they each have their place due to their unique skillsets. At best, Chameleon would just be the Black Widow of the Sinister Six.

>>88921443
>But Mysterio can already do the disguise shit and more if he wanted to. Seems like a waste of a slot
That would depend on how his tech works though. And if espionage isn't his thing, Chameleon can certainly make up for it with that.

>>88921453
>but I think that if you're going to build up Norman, you're going to have to have a big finish.
And the Green Goblin can't be a big finish?

>>88920525
I like the structure but I can't imagine they're being so many films with him as a significant character.

The way I'd imagine it, they build Norman as a minor character in the MCU as a whole and bring him more to the forefront in the Spidey films.
Then you've got Dark Reign itself as a post-Infinity War-phase. Like the comics; new status quo that each film takes place in. Though how much Norman himself is present depends on the Hero. Spidey and maybe even Iron Man would probably feature him the most. If they really want a piece of that Suicide Squad pie they do the Dark Avengers.
Lay it heavy on the Goblin and pumpkin motifs since everyone would know it's coming.
This culminates in the Avengers film in which he is the top villain and ends with his fall from grace and decent into Goblin madness.

From then on Goblin's a Spidey villain.

>>88921687
>Electro and Shocker do the same thing
fucking casuals

>>88921687
But you see what I'm going for. Doc Ock is a long range melee. Vulture is a flight melee. Sandman isn't a villain you approach physically. Rhino is the tank. Shocker is projectiles and Electro is dangerous at short range. You can switch some out for shit like Kraven, Lizard, Mysterio, etc, but the general idea is that you want the team to be diverse enough to keep Spidey on his toes.

When it's Kraven, Scorpion, that's two close range melee. Chameleon adds nothing. If you remove one of those and put in, say, Rhino, it would be a stronger lineup. Personally, if you want to do a Sinister Six for a Spider-Man film, bring out big guns. Cause otherwise, you just got 6 villains Spider-Man could punch to victory.

>>88921752
Nigga fuck the actor, the suit in the second movie was the best Spidey suit ever, they still have it at Disneyland and when they do promotional stuff for the cartoons

I predict that the movie will suck massive dicks because the lead is written to be a complete pussy dependent on corporate welfare. This movie will be nothing but pandering to teenagers, as understood by out of touch 40 something year olds.

>>88921767
>It seems no lamer to me than the Avengers lineup. Hawkeye, Tony and Romanoff have no powers, but they each have their place due to their unique skillsets. At best, Chameleon would just be the Black Widow of the Sinister Six.

But this isn't the Avengers. This is a big super villain team. Hawkeye and Black Widow were added to the Avengers because they are easy to add without going into long explanations. They are humans, and didn't need a set up film, or a lot of the film devoted to explain.
With Sinister Six, you want to go all out for a lineup that would be fun to watch. Don't cut corners with the six. It needs a tank, a melee, a trickster, an projectile, a wild card and a character who requires outside thinking to beat (The Sandman or Venom)

And the Green Goblin we've already seen. It's hard to top that when we've seen a pretty thorough GG in the first Spider-Man.

>>88921941
>Venom

Venom just wants to fuck up Spider-Man. He doesn't need to team up with the Sinister Six, he's more than capable of killing Spidey on his own.

>>88921941
Having one applauded iteration of a villain hasn't stopped the Joker.

At least you could go with a different look and even Norman.

>>88921872
No it wasn't. He looked like a skinny faggot hipster twink, at least give him some muscle. The costume in ASM2 looked like cosplay compared to Raimi's.

I really hope that they pull the MCU away from their regular formula on this one. Make it a bit more mature, a bit darker. Tone down the quips. Try to make it at least a little cinematic instead of focusing on something mundane and regular like school.

>>88921995
I was just throwing out a name. Which also goes to show of think of how intimidating it is with Venom plus five.
>>88922012
I just don't really see what's so great about Gobby beyond Dark Reign and Killing Gwen.

>>88919008
>>88919152
From a narrative stand point wouldn't it make the most sense to use Chameleon as a side-villain if they ever use Kraven as the main villain.

Honestly I think Chameleon's strength is as a side-villain, he can be used well to build a mystery e.g Spectacular Spider-man.

>>88922060
Wasn't that Civil War?
I mean, I get that we want more mature, but even in the hayday of R rated action movies, they weren't really mature then either.

>>88922119
Civil War still had quips and a fight took place in an open and dimly lit airport parking lot in midday

>>88921941
>It's hard to top that when we've seen a pretty thorough GG in the first Spider-Man.
Yeah, but it'd be worth it if they actually did top it. He's Spidey's arch. DC keeps getting away with it with the Joker (even though Leto's iteration was the least interesting). I see no reason why not do it with the Green Goblin so long as there's a gradual build up to it this time.

>>88921941
Well then hopefully they'll decide to use Dock Ock. If there's any villain that's worth reusing from the other spidey Franchises (apart from Green Goblin), it's Octavious.

>>88922098
He's Peter's, whose still Marvels most iconic heroes, most significant enemy and one of Marvel's most recognised villains.
It's be a surprise if Marvel didn't use him, especially with Dr.Doom and Magneto in Fox's hands.

And well let's face it, given the state of things today that Dark Reign stuff would be gobbled up by audiences.

>>88922060
Wouldn't it be crazy ,since everyone else in the MCU is quip crazy, if Spider-Man of all people wasn't?

Instead he'd be a creepy and kinda messed up dude. A guy drowning in self-loathing and anger at a world that wronged him.

He doesn't help people because he wants to atone, he just wants the chance to hurt people.

>>88922178
But wasn't everything before that airport fight what you wanted? The part most people complained that was really boring?

I mean, point at another film and say what you want the MCU to be like. I'm curious.

>>88922208
That'd hurt a lot of people anon.

>>88922197
>Well then hopefully they'll decide to use Dock Ock. If there's any villain that's worth reusing from the other spidey Franchises (apart from Green Goblin), it's Octavious.
Hell, imagine the balls if they go Superior.
>>88922203
I know. Still, I just would really need to be sold on the Goblin again. Just like how I'm not sold on this MCU Spider-Man.

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MCU's Norman Osborn.

Debate me.

>>88922273
Helping people would be an excuse to hurt criminals. It could tie into his "no punching policy", that he doesn't because the one time he did he accidentally maimed a guy and that traumatized him. He still wants to hurt criminal scum, but instead does it accidentally to spare himself the guilt.

>>88921524
>The problem is, Spider-Man 2 comes out a month/2 months after Infinity Wars ends
No it doesn't. Infinity war takes place in 2018. the next Spidey movie doesn't happen til 2020. He'll have two years. And even then, Spidey's not in Infinity War.


>>88921782
This is more or less how I was picturing it. When I said multiple films, I didn't necessarily mean all Spidey films. Dark Reign would easily be an Avengers movie. But at the least, his introductory, maybe one intermediate, and his time as Goblin would be Spidey films.

>>88922352
If they can give him the hair, that's all I want to see

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>>88922098
>I just don't really see what's so great about Gobby beyond Dark Reign and Killing Gwen.
As a major Green Goblin fan, I'm not sure what makes him such a great antagonist could be translated to the big screen. What makes him great, in my personal opinion, is that he has such a rich and personal history with Spider-Man. The two have a genuine grudge Spider-Man doesn't share with nearly any of his other enemies. Spidey, at the end of the day, will still gladly save Ock or Eddie should he have to. Norman's a different story, though.

Again, that's just because the two have such a long sordid history. When it comes to movies like the MCU, building up a long history between hero and villain hasn't been a trend we've been seeing. I like the idea of Dark Reign era Norman first. Having Spider-Man be the reason he ends up being kicked out of control would be perfect.

>>88922352

I think they should go for someone younger. Late 30s/early 40s. Someone who they can get some mileage out of yet still be convincingly played as the father of a teenager.

>>88922460
> Spidey's not in Infinity War.

What a coward! J.J of the MCU is right, he's a coward and a fraud. He has powers and is sitting it out, while Black Widow will be on the front lines despite having no powers. Shame on Spider-Man!

>>88918715
None of them are looking for a payday. Scorpion was created to kill spidey and was a very formidable badguy before becoming a joke. His entire arc revolves around trying to be normal again later and having his revenge on Jonah.

Kraven, you already know his motivations there.

Chameleon, has huge potential to be complex as well. The guy is a russian spy or the guy can be a crazy shapeshifter losing his identity etc etc.


Read a fucking comicbook for once.

>>88922642
>Chameleon, has huge potential to be complex as well. The guy is a russian spy

Now I really want some kind of implied background with Black Widow.

Or even the Winter Soldier if they decide to tie him to being a former Hydra operative.

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>>88922352
check

>>88922031
Nigga how can you tell somebody is a hipster when they're in a Spider-Man costume? You can't even see his face when he has a spidey mask

>>88922460
>No it doesn't. Infinity war takes place in 2018. the next Spidey movie doesn't happen til 2020. He'll have two years. And even then, Spidey's not in Infinity War.
Check your sources
http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/10/13907632/marvel-spider-man-homecoming-sequel-2019-sony

It's July 2019, 2 months after Infinity Wars Part 2. Yes, I know they are changing the name, I'm keeping it for sanity sakes. Spider-Man Films will come out every 2 years starting this year.

>>88922642
>Read a fucking comicbook for once.
I do read comics. Just Ultimate Spider-Man instead of normal Spidey.

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>>88917245
They made the Shocker black, as if all small time criminals have to be black, das raycis yo.

>>88920721
Is he even gonna be named Herman any more?

>>88921423
>(even though Electro and Shocker are somewhat similar).
>>88921687
>Electro and Shocker do the same thing
You fucking casuals

>>88923155
Well modern normal Spidey is shit, so you're not missing much.

>>88921423
>>88921687
>Electro and Shocker
>Similar
This casual shit triggers me every goddamn time. Read a Spidey book before posting

>>88923258
Why not? Hes in the movie, yellow costume included, as long as he has ample time to shine Im good

>>88923351
>>88923258
I meant in terms of being the projectile members of the team, you fucking ingrate. Can you not read where I was going? I was defining the role of each Sinister Six member and how they should be different from each other. Those two are the shooty ones.
>>88923264
Exactly why I don't bother. I mean, I thought Scorpion was just a merc.

>>88923431
>This amount of backpedaling
>I dont read 616 Spidey "because why bother"
FFFFFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAG

>>88922889
Lol I could see it

>>88923102
>Yes, I know they are changing the name, I'm keeping it for sanity sakes

How is it maddening to accept that it's not a 2 parter?

>>88923470
Backpeddling? Of course I know the difference between Shocker and Electro. But they are both the ones that shoot projectiles on a sinister six team. You're the autistic one who can't fucking get that the idea of each sinister six member requires spider-man to approach them differently.

>>88918513
I would only accept Bruce Cambell as Mysterio, or else I just dont want them to do him at all.

>>88923563
Because then I have to keep saying Avengers 4, and we all know it's still a two parter, but they aren't calling it that because Divergent flopped, so now Hollywood is scared shitless that films that say Part 1 and Part 2 in their title are box office poison, just like the word Mars in the title.

Until we know the new name, I'm calling it Infinity Wars, cause they both deal with Thanos and the gems.

>>88923565
>Two villains use projectiles
>Clearly this is too similar
>Implying anyone gave a fuck before what the Sinister Six roster was given the numerous times its rotated
Stay mad you casual faggot.

>>88922352
William Dafoe would be an amazing Osborn.

>>88923631
Tell me how you hate Spider-Man's movie costume, autistic virgin.

>>88923258
>Thug
Check
>Needs to steal for dosh and living
check
>electric powers
Check, check, and check. The electric thing sort of confirms it.

>>88923652
I actually like it, very Ditko. Although I could do without the lines on his blue pants. Nice subject change though

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>>88917245
>Spider-Man Homecoming
>As in coming home
>because it's the first Spidey movie made at Marvel studios.

Like pottery

>>88923652
which one? The ugly bulky Raimi? Raimi had the worst mask/eyes and worst personality but it was comfy and nostalgic other than that.

>>88923688
The Shocker's powers aren't electric you fucking pleb

>>88923602
>and we all know it's still a two parter,
Except for the fact that it's not because the Russos and Marvel Studios have stated otherwise.

>but they aren't calling it that because Divergent flopped
They're calling it different because what the Russos, Markus and Mcfeely are doing render calling it a 2 parter pointless.

>Until we know the new name, I'm calling it Infinity Wars
Then you should probably just step away from the whole thing because it comes off as you trying to deliberately confuse people.

>>88923740
Hes trolling you anon

>>88923716
You are so fucking slow to this that Im going to need to wait two years to fucking post a good enough slowpoke meme.

>>88923789
Screencapped.

I'll be waiting, Anon.

>>88923745
The Russos are just bullshitting. You don't spend 3 phases setting up this big film, then have Thanos and the gems get defeated in the first film and then do something else a year later. There is no time to set up a new Avengers film after all that. Does the 4th Avengers film have Thanos and the gems? Then it's most likely Infinity Wars Part 2 or Infinity Gauntlet. Maybe they arrest Thanos in the first part, then he breaks out. Point being, they didn't spend all this time just to do Thanos in one film and then have Loki's beach party the next year.

>>88923431
>I meant in terms of being the projectile members of the team, you fucking ingrate. Can you not read where I was going? I was defining the role of each Sinister Six member and how they should be different from each other. Those two are the shooty ones.
Sorry about that, should have realized you meant that.

>>88923688
Not electric, vibrational shockwaves.

>>88923809
I pray you survive the next two years to see it anon.

>>88922352
Forehead

>>88923258
>They made the Shocker black, as if all small time criminals have to be black, das raycis yo.
I think it's more that he's just portrayed as dark/tan in some newer comics, and they saw an easy opportunity to make a more diverse cast.

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>>88923854
>Does the 4th Avengers film have Thanos and the gems? Then it's most likely Infinity Wars Part 2
Just because they're continuing a particular story arc doesn't mean it's a 2 parter. Avengers and Age of Ultron both had Loki's scepter as ain integral part of the films, just as Captain America 1 and The Avengers had the Cosmic Cube as a part of theirs. Neither of those are 2 parters.

And even without those in mind, I don't see how they can be 2 parters. 2 films debut between both films (both of which set up the 4th film) and they both take place a year apart. The second half of a 2 parter picks up directly where the last left off. They can't do that with a year's time between and significant development occurring within that time. With that in mind, I kinda get why the Russos are abandoning the 2 part idea.

Thanos and the Infininty Stones and Gauntlet are what ties the films together. But it seems that everything else but those is going to have too much different to warrant it being a 2 parter.

>>88918750
JUST TAKE THE ASM2 SUIT AND USE A BETTER SPIDER ON THE CHEST.

>>88923955
But he was just a really swarthy jew.

>>88924195
I love his post Bigtime armor though.

Doesn't Mysterio basically invalidate Chameleon as a villain. Mysterio can do everything Chameleon does x20.

>>88924555
Mysterio is good with effects, but a terrible actor. Why do you think he builds so many robots?

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>>88917245
wanna know how the suit was built??? wanna know all the inside scope on Stark technology?

>>88924195
They really should do something about his character. I don't think there was anything interesting done with him even when he was Venom, just typical "I hate it, but can't without it" stuff.

I mean, he has the name, he has the armor, it's just that his origin sucks and is more about Jameson.

>>88924590
Fair enough, but doesn't my point still stand.

>Chameleon
Can take on the appearance of any person.

>Mysterio
Can build robots in the appearance of any person. Also an incredibly vast array advanced special effects used for physical and psychological torment.

>>88918828
The story really does look boring, though:

>prequel to Civil War
>Tony being condescending and telling Spider-Man to not fight Vulture
>Peter wants to fight Vulture to prove he can be an Avenger
>homecoming dance and girl subplot weaved in somewhere

and that's it.

>>88918750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLHNI96oF2A

>>88924610
Who authorized the release of this info?!

>>88924644
Hey Im not disagreeing with you anon, I myself prefer Mysterio over Chameleon anyway. Hes much more practical in a fight too, not to mention perfect for a movie given the creativity the character allows

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>>88924195
You know I really don't like Scorpion rework lately. They could use Scorpia instead since Spidey's villains are such a sausage party. A female baddie could break that up a bit.

>>88924679
internet ship posting

>>88924691
Oh totally, I'm all for him appearing in a movie. Though personally, Rhino has always been my favorite Spidey villain, so I'm praying that he gets an MCU appearance beyond the shitty ASM2 version.

>>88924625
Its not just the origin, Mac is a fucking idiot who's still small time. Hell there was a time where he thought he couldnt take off the suit. The character does have potential, which is why a movie appearance might do him some good. Its really weird how a villain whos supposed to be the "evil reflection" of Spider Man, predating Shocker and Rhino I might add, and still hes a fucking joke thats gone nowhere

>>88923565
Neither of them shoot projectiles

>>88924749
I've read a handful of Spider-Man comics, but not a great many, so excuse my ignorance, but I've always been of the opinion that while lots of Spidey's villains have great gimmicks (electric man, old man in flying vulture tights, man made of sand), most of them (save for Green Goblin, Venom, Ock) don't have a lot of personality or character depth beyond "I wanna rob banks" or "Grrrr, I hate you Spider-Man."

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>>88924731
Im right there with you anon, but I fear Marvel Studios is afraid to do him again despite how little was done with him. In a perfect world he'd be a secondary villain who eventually reappears in the Sinister Six. Perhaps a failed hulk formula project and was given the suit to compensate the drastic changes in his skeletal/muscle structure. Fingers crossed they actual give him a chance, because Electro certainly isnt coming back anytime soon

>>88918593
>I just don't see the point of Chameleon if he shows up.

Kraven's partner. They would work together much better in a movie than they do separately.

>>88924694
why don't we just make all the villains female, and have sexy fight scenes.

>>88924830
So long as it's not another mech suit. That shit sucks.

Big Hulking Guy in Rhino costume>>>>>>>>>>>> Average-to-Big Guy in Rhino in tacticool Rhino battle armour>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Man/Rhino hybrid like in ASM1 video game>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Guy in mech suit like in ASM2

>>88919843
Osborn buildup > Goblin Spider-Man > thunderbolts movie with him as commander and Zeno as field-command > thunderbolts 2: dark reign.

>>88924840
Why not Rhino instead?
>Both are Russian
>Kraven is clearly the smarter of the 2 and can lead the movie
>Both undergo a genetic change
>Kraven can give the idea behind the Rhino theme when Aleksei is being fitted for the suit

>>88924804
The Gauntlet helped with some of them recently. Now granted, Grim Hunt was terrible for the most part, and that What-If was fucking horseshit since it didn't even do the Last Stand story like it implied if he killed Kraven.

>>88924937
I was more annoyed by the guns and the impractical design of the mech itself

>>88925001
Are the last 2 volumes of The Gauntlet worth reading? I just grabbed the first 3

Chameleon technology already exists in the MCU. Black Widow used it to impersonate the World Security Council member in the climax of Winter Soldier.

>>88924937

Maybe something where he gets an enhancement, but needs the suit to maintain the enhancement?

I know it comes off as a bit Bane-ish. But if it was a big enhanced guy is a Rhino costume, what would stop it from becoming the new and improved wave of Supersoldier? There has to be a catch that would kill incentive to use that precise method because Cap (and I guess Bucky now) is the only successful attempt.

>>88925003
Plus the NY bystanders just standing and watching behind a small fence as this walking tank death machine is shooting missiles and machine guns willy-nilly.

>>88924963
Osborn buildup > thunderbolts movie with him as commander and Zemo as field-command > thunderbolts 2: dark reign > Goblin Spider-Man.

Superior character arc.

>>88925058
The catch could just be that it makes you murderous, unstable, and insane, though Blonsky/Abomination already did that in The Incredible Hulk, and frankly I think that it's pretty weak writing.

>>88925058
I think the best way to do it is have the formula provide an irreversible growth in the subject, but cybernetic/metal implants need to compensate the strain on the skeleton, and the next gen kevlar protects everything else. The reason they can say Aleksei is the only one is because its not cost effective. So in short make him the first and last in an attempt to replicate the hulk

Over the course of a trilogy and I guess the MCU, I want to see a teenage boy and a grown ass man feud and hate the shit out of each other.

The past movies really lacked this. I want a history built up of them just being complete antagonists of each other.

>>88925128
>The catch could just be that it makes you murderous, unstable, and insane, though Blonsky/Abomination already did that in The Incredible Hulk

The serum only did that because it enhanced his personality, like it did with Schmidt and Rogers. Blonsky was a fighter, as he himself admitted. He went on a rampage because he finally got what he wanted.

>>88925173
>So in short make him the first and last in an attempt to replicate the hulk

But isn't the idea to replicate Captain America? the Hulk itself was a failed attempt at that.

Though, now thinking about it, I suppose Rhino could be a speedbump attempt for what would eventually be Ross going Red-Hulk?

And yes, I full on have not lost sight that this is all just wishful thinking and that none of this willl probably ever come to pass.

>>88925039
The Lizard arc is extremely iffy on if you liked the fact that he killed his son while becoming "feral" then the retcon where he was completely in control during that entire time. I forget how Juggs' story went so I can't say.

>>88925281
One mans failure is another mans profit. Think of it this way: replicating the super soldier serum has proven difficult, but you could still make a profit if you could market monster men just below hulk level who are easier to make. You advertise them like an rpg, not really for subtly, but a good weapon nonetheless.

>>88925039
I loved the Gauntlet. It was a slow breakdown on Peter's life and emotional health as it led into the Grim Hunt - which was an excellent story. The Rhino story was so, so good.

>>88925400

But market them to who? I mean I can certainly see an appeal for if say a black market enhanced slave thing. But Deadpool kinda already did that, and word would get out that the personweapon you paid for is just as likely to wreck your shit as your enemies.

So who do you market to? Men looking for monsters, or men looking to BECOME the monsters?

One way or the other though, the business wouldn't last if it's all coming from the same people. Guys like Rhino and Scorpion would make too much of a ruckus and likely would talk if captured.

Ultimate peter the movie?

>>88925537
I could think of a few dictators who would pay up for a few WMD monster men. And just add a kill switch in them

>>88925056
And Vulture already exists with Falcon...

>>88924440
Whatever, I bet it'll just be they arrest Thanos and then he breaks out.

>>88925619
>I could think of a few dictators who would pay up for a few WMD monster men
I'm sure. Like I said, I can certainly see an appeal there.

> just add a kill switch in them
You just KNOW that wouldn't work. Come on.

>>88918358
If we got Chameleon, he'd be running around as different Avengers, most likely.

>>88925653
Whats so hard about implanting a bomb or something in the skull of the subject when doing the procedure? Again theyre not hulk level. You're overthinking this shit

>>88917245
It's going to be as shit as the non-SM2 Raimi movies or the ASM movies but because MUH MCU people will act like it's great. /co/ will have some dissenters but the first month or so will just be "so great" or "bretty gud" fanboys and shills and then, six months after release, people will evaluate it more critically, declare it shit, lament that this is the Spider-Man we're stuck with and some might even pine for ASM.

>>88925623
I know, so there's already an easy way to work him into the MCU. I wasn't suggesting it'd be redundant or anything.

>>88919232
I don't think it's the power that Disney holds per se, it's that pop culture is so pervasive and all consuming and franchises are what drive everything that to not be in with it means you're the weird one socially. So you get critics who feel like they can't give X film bad reviews because, well, it's just such a big deal and might be the next big thing and you don't want to be the Armond White-esque contrarian. You get fans who feel that you can't hate Y film because it's a big deal and you don't want to be the weirdo in the group who didn't like it.

Granted most of these are Disney films and much of it comes from the immediacy of pop culture (remember, movies generally make most of their money in the first couple weeks) and if nothing else Disney is the best at promoting that every release they put out is supposed to be treated as an event. But Disney's simply part of the symptom, not the overall disease.

>>88919785
Honestly, that's all I want from a comic book movie.

Basic plot, fun visuals, familiar character w/ a new coat of paint, and maybe a decent villain that's properly set up.

>inb4 then why do you watch Marvel movies lol

Because Marvel understands that I'm there to watch a movie, not be amazed at how many layers the director decided to add to make himself look smart.

I was hyped when I saw "spiderman will return" at the post credits of Civil War and I'm looking forward to seeing what they do w/ him.

>>88922060
Listen DCuck, you have your own cinematic universe if you want dark and brooding for the sake of being dark and brooding.

We'll keep our shit the way it is, thank you.

>>88925699

I was just having some fun, anon. Yeah, theoretically it could work.

>>88925755
>and some might even pine for ASM.

I wouldn't go THAT far.

>>88922178
Yet at the same time, it also featured a darker plotline that focused on the collateral damage that the Avengers caused while trying to deal with Loki and Ultron.

You can't have drama w/o comedy and you can't have comedy w/o drama. It's why people enjoyed Civil War so much while BvS was considered one of the worst films of 2016.

MCU knows how to present dark themes w/o drowning in its own darkness while DCEU can only be funny unintentionally.

>>88925965
As a reactionary message to display how bad the movie is? Yeah, you'll definitely see a few "I'd take ASM over this" posts.

>>88926134
>>88925755
Yeah well those people are fucking idiots and I wouldn't take /co/ or /tv/'s opinion on anything with more than a grain of salt after how much people shill BvS and Suicide Squad around here.

Seriously, there's at least three threads up right now shitting on production photo of Civil War's airport scene w/ green screen while at the same time ignoring the shitty greenscreen that we saw in BvS as if Doomsday looked impeccable.

What'll actually happen is that SM:H will make a decent profit thanks to its lower budget but won't make as much as the Avengers (obviously), which DCucks will cite as the MCU being finished while saying WW is a cinematic masterpiece even though nobody watched it. Then if you bring it up, they'll claim that it's "too deep/smart/etc." for "plebs" to understand and that's all we'll see for the next few months.

>>88918750
Raimi's web layout and red/blue placement
ASM1's nothing
ASM2's eye shape
SM:H's unraised webs and eyes, spider symbols and "web wings"

Perfection

>>88924649
>prequel to Civil War

It's not.

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>>88930066

I'm not quite sure how that makes sense, but I'll roll with that for now.

>>88930066
>gets puched in chest
>clothes fall off

>>88930165
Screencap this, he will fight with Black Cat in one of the sequels and this will happen and he'll make a quip about one-upping her revealing outfit

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>>88930465
I want Black Cat, but I know they'll fuck her up.

>>88927369
You can just say that you want a comics accurate outfit, anon. You don't have to piece the outfit together for us to know what you mean.

>>88919341
>Most of the cast haven't even been in a Hollywood movie

Uhh.... the fuck are you talking about? Actors that have been in "Hollywood movies" that will be appearing in this film:

>Tom Holland
>Robert Downey Jr.
>Marisa Tomei
>Jon Favreau
>Donald Glover
>Michael Keaton
>Logan Marshall-Green
>Donald Glover
>Angourie Rice
>Martin Starr
>Hannibal Buress
>Tony Revolori
>Bokeem Woodbine
>Kenneth Choi
>Michael Chernus

>>88919268
This Peter hasn't been Spider-Man long enough for BW to have interacted with him as a spy.

>>88920402
>>spiderman wont throw one punch supposedly

He throws a punch in the TRAILER you dumb mongoloid.

>>88934045
His reality is defined by stupid shit he's read on the Internet. You're just going to upset him.

>>88918958
>That's the power the mouse holds.
There were like 3 Disney films that bombed critically last year

>>88921767
>He's not in Infinity War at all.
Allegedly. All rumors, anon.

>>88934113
Quit imposing your Objective Reality!
REEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>88925755
>It's going to be as shit as the non-SM2 Raimi movies

Take your nostolgia goggles off. SM2 isn't that great, anon.