>People idolize this fucking speech Literally a one paragraph

>>88845084
not to mention it basically explains why there will always be war and we can't "all just get along"
we all stand up for what we believe in, and we all believe different things. In any given disagreement, a maximum of one party can be right, and even that's not very common. standing up for incorrect beliefs intrinsically harms everyone. on the other hand, remove the right to stand up for your beliefs, and you almost certainly just eliminated the rare chance of being right from the equation entirely.

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>>88845322
>>88845084
Hydra pls

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>>88845084
(you)

>>88845322
Some things aren't worth killing or dying over.
Some are.

>>88845746
Worth is determined on a personal basis

>>88845781
...But that makes Cap right, because he personally decided this was worth standing up for.

>>88845322

You are a pussy

And you have been a pussy for so long that you argue your pussy position

Spineless wimp

>>88846037
He's not wrong though

It's weird how boring /co/ is now. Do you think it's just the time of year?

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>>88845084
Cap is dumb. This isn't new information.

>>88846213
But suppressing everyone's beliefs intrinsically harms everyone anyway.
I'd take a world where all but one is wrong over a world where no-one can be right.

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>>88846289

>implying he doesn't know better

>>88846289
>I will plan myself beside the river of truth, because 'the government said its okay' doesn't make the violation of human rights okay

>>88846464

Seriously though, what the fuck?

>find out the government is going to show up at your friend's house and kill him on sight
>go out of your way to prevent him from being killed and make sure he gets arrested and brought in to custody
>ask if he's getting a lawyer
>"Lawyer? ahahaha no"
>everyone spergs out at you and accuses you of giving your friend preferential treatment

>>88845322
Human nature inherently dictates us to go back to fighting again and again. The absolute best plan I ever saw in fiction for world peace was in Naruto, specifically Pain's plan. The villain knew this fact, and wanted to create a weapon of unspeakable power to scare all the nations into peace. Eventually, when the nations begin fighting again, and they will, the weapon is brought forth again and the cycle is repeated.

>>88846604

Sounds like the guy just read Watchmen, and listened to what Manhattan had to say at the end.

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>>88845084
Liberals get really mad about it for some reason so it's always fun.

Also pic related.

>>88846591

At least it's better than the shitty comics:

>"Yo Captain, so the Registration shit will be signed in a week or so. We're gonna need you to help hunt anti-registration heroes down like dogs. Cool with it?"
>Well I dunno, ma'am, I just don't I agree with this kind of thi...
>"STAND DOWN CAPTAIN YOU ARE NOW A FUGITIVE FROM JUSTICE SOLDIERS OPEN FIRE!"

That event was abysmal.

>>88847265

Were people actually upset by this page?

>>88847575

I heard France wasn't fond of it

>>88845322
Freedom > Order

>>88845322
COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES FOR CONSENSUS!

>>88846591
This is why people who shit on Cap have no argument.
Even when he does wrong it's just that everyone else is retarded

>>88845084

It gained a new meaning because Captain is one of the last characters to not be directly tainted by affirmative action, even if it means his own company has branded him into a villain in the process.

>>88845084
I'm sure terrorists use the exact same logic to defend their actions

>>88848021
They do, but they also provide really shitty reasoning for harming the people they harm while cap doesn't.

>>88848009
there was a black Captain America well before the current wave of minority heroes, though

hell, Falcon briefly held the title even before that

>>88848054
Not him but I liked those black cap-like experiments guys better. What were their names again?

>>88848081
Isaiah Bradley

>>88846591

Captain America in Civil War was almost as right as Rightclops. He was undeniably in the right the whole time, every single move he made was the right move

>>88847575
Capfags hate it because "muh Cap" wouldn't shit on the French

>>88848150
Thats like complaining Iron man is right all the time in his designs and engineering decisions

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>>88845084
A few days later he buckled like a chump and moved.So even cap can't follow his shitty ideals

>>88848320
>thats a very different thing


Okay, how?

>>88845322
>dude like just stop fighting and we can force everyone to agree, lol.
That sounds like commie talk to me.

>>88848352
As proven by Bucky, Falcon, and Patriot's granddad whose name escapes me right now, anyone can become Captain America.

>>88845866
It doesn't make him right or wrong, because someone else may not view it as being worth fighting for. "Right" and "wrong" are not objective labels.

>>88848398
Too bad Cap is objectively right basically always. The speech is flawed because he doesn't understand not everyone has a perfect moral compass.

>>88848184

not that guy but I didn't read it as complaining

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>>88845084
>makes this speech
>gets mad when a private citizen tells him to get the fuck off his island and stop trying to kidnap a minor

>>88848429
Cap's rightness is always bested by Cyclops though.

Superhero comics are written and consumed by manchildren who think they are smarter than others.

No wonder that they believe that being a stubborn asshole is the foundation of democracy.

>>88848496
I mean if you ask the House Republicans it is

>>88848021
The only difference is that they blow up people and Cap doesn't.

>>88845781
>>88845866
Chris Chan got arrested for attacking a stand of Sonic Boom in a game shop because his arms were blue. That is the hill he's willing to die on.

>>88848021

no, the terrorists are the guys who tell you to move.

Shouldnt we be more upset about that cunt of a reporter who was more concerned that Cap didnt know what Myspace was?

>>88848573
No, because that wasn't even remotely her actual point.

>>88848496
read a history book. rebellion is the foundation of democracy

>>88848628

elaborate

>>88848659
>What are dictatorships established by coups

Found the Burger

>>88848628
If her point was to argue that Cap was out of touch with how to handle current issues then it was undermined by her retarded fucking examples.

>>88848659
Wouldnt it be an open discussion?

>>88848758

How long had Cap been unfrozen, in-universe at that point? It's not like he just came back a week before.

>>88848529
The Sonichu kid?
He's gotta be pushing 30 now, right? That's sad.
Link?

>>88848782
no because before you establish a democracy you gotta dispose everyone who doesn't give a shit about what you want

>>88848573
She hasn't shown up again. Just be glad she isn't used as a feminist icon in current Marvel.

Also, I like how the side story in Fear Itself redeems Damian's mom.

>>88848659
Rebellion is the foundation for just about anything, really. People like Fidel Castro came to power through rebellion, after all.

>>88848790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EflHHVROiSs

>>88848832
I'll concede that

>>88848529
His ancestors are smiling to him, anon. Can you say the same?

>>88848786
Right. Sure Steve is old fashioned and has his own set of principles he follows, but its not like hes completely oblivious to whats happening around him. Hell hes more likely to read a damn newspaper than anyone in the Marvel Universe. The reporter was just an idiot with her "oh a frozen caveman from the 1940s" mindset and bad writing

>>88848659

Democracies may be established through rebellion, but they don't function through rebellion...

>>88848815
Didnt they change her dialogue slightly in later prints because of how dumb it was? I may be thinking of something else

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>they shoehorned this shit speech into Civil War putting it into Peggy's mouth

>>88847575
It's kind of OOC.

>>88849062
Not for Ultimate Cap

>>88849062
It's in character for Ultimate Cap, as just about anyone in the ultimate universe was a major tool anyway. The people offended and called it out of character probably didn't even know that it's from the Ultimates.

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>>88848904
The reporter found proof that Tony Stark brainwashed Norman Osborn into trying to start a war with Atlantis so that Stark Tech would gain profit from weapons sales, went GOOD JOB TONY, and left with no intention of telling anyone. She's a horrible person.

Like how did her and Ben Urich going, "Tony we found proof that through nanites you were using Norman Osborn to start an arms race and kill many, many people, but good job man it could be worse" and just leaving not become a big thing?

It also can be applied to any ideology, because everyone is the hero of their own story. Red Skull could use this, for fuck's sake.

>>88847575
Brubacker and Ellis were, at least.

>>88850358
Oh, and Ennis, probably.

>>88848628

It was central to the point, but the fact is using Myspace as an example is out of touch in itself.

Fuck, I had a Myspace and I'm not sure what Myspace is.

>>88849939
Meanwhile the world of superheroes is infinitely worse than RL for common people.

>>88849783
Cap specifically says that the belief must be based on the truth. So this this speech can only be applied to one ideology, the true one. The problem with this statement is that cap is assuming that the person will know what the objective truth is. And it's beyond the scope of a comic to have a philosophical discussion as to how one comes to the knowledge of objective truth.

>>88850388
Ennis hates capes anyways, except Superman.

>>88850660
Nah he's just fellating the gullible american public who, surprise, are the ones that buy his comic books.

>>88850513
>Fuck, I had a Myspace and I'm not sure what Myspace is.

wat

>>88845084
I know this is a babby's first moral relativism situation, but you can't really criticize Cap without setting your own standards and take an opposing position contrary to his in the same way he has set his... which is the whole tendency he's advocating.