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>character/villain changes an special point in history and creates a new timeline where everything went to hell.
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>>88834964
>The character's shadow reveals their true form/nature
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>>88834964
>the heroes and the villains have to team up for an episode
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>>88835111
>Deep inside They are actually tsundere for each other.
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>the bad guy of the story was the protagonist all along
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>>heroes go to bad future and see themselves as OP and evil.
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The villain messes with the intro
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>character gets transformed physically and/or mentally
>At the end, they change back to normal.
>But there's a hint they might have leftovers from their transformation
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>character/villain changes an special point in history and creates a new timeline where everything went to hell.

The cute innocent character is now a grizzled badass with an eyepatch.
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>>88834964
>It's a comedy show.
>Changing something in history causes nonsensical changes that the MC addresses.
>"HOW DID STOPPING MY DAD FROM MISSING THE GAME LAST WEEK CAUSE GIANT FLYING T REXES?!"
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>>88835231
I'm kinda disappointed WOY didn't do this with their last episode
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>>88835267
Yeah, that can be funny
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>Magical/supernatural disease episode.
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>>88835231
>the villains that teamup are now doing all the hero parts
>the villain interrupts the heros normal intro

If it is near the beginning of an episode and not just some random spot it is a good way to get people who are out of it from expecting the same ol thing to really pay attention.
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>>88835266
Also leader of the resistance, the main character and next like 4 competent characters either went evil or died fighting their friends that switched.
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>>88835123
Batman XJokers
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>something that should change in the timeline somehow doesn't
>something that shouldnt change somehow does
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>>88835231
>villain was messing with the intro the whole time
Fuckjngn DIO
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>>88834964
>characters time travel to a different era
>there are exact counterparts of everyone from the main cast in that era
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>Alternate dimension where the villain wins
>It's a utopia ruled in totalitarianism or hivemind
>B-b-b-but m-m-muh free will

Fuck I hate this. If it works why break it?
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>>88839038
this is one of my favorites
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>>88839416
>If it works why break it?
Works for who..? Because it sure as hell wouldn't work that well for you, would it? Either you imagine yourself as the leader or you already live in a place without free will and just don't give a shit anymore.
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>>88835244
I liked the way Puss in Boots did that one.
The only way it could have been better is if she didn't constantly call capo ferro whenever she fought and they just let you put two and two together that learning how to fight with super powers still counts as learning how to fight in general.
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>>88834964
>the main character's ancestors not only looked exactly like them but had the same exact personalities and similar names

>the big, strong, mean-looking character is a big ol' softy, but fuck with the people/critters he cares about and he'll make the Cartel look like Nobel Peace Prize winners

>the huge asshole character has a wee dug that he adresses as if it were a hellhound to cover for his soft-spot for the cute bastard

>it's a "we've been left behind and need to take a road-trip back home, experiencing cathartic adventures along the way" episode

>the evil villain is shown to have a dweebish side, like fanboying over a TV show or losing his shit on an imageboard

>the episode is about a retro, noir alternate universe

>the rich Valley Girl is kind-hearted and supportive of her lower class friends and invites them on cruises, to parties, and expensive vacations, and they don't treat her differently because of her money

>the villain is a realistic depiction of vile, reprehensible scum that can barely be called human that is specifically created to be hated and then cathartically destroyed by the hero

>ape hi-jinks, gorillas being optimal candidates
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>>88835244
Examples of this? i remember the 90's Man.Spider episode and kid me was like it would be awesome if he could transform at will
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>>88839664

If the villain succeeded in taking over the world and made it better by creating world peace, where is the problem?People are fed and don't have to do anything.
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>>88834964
>Main villain is replaced by a newer bigger villain
>Main villain eventually returns, puts the new villain in their place, and re-establishes themselves as the true threat

Master Orc, Lord Hater (to a degree), Darkseid, Lord Zedd (briefly), and Norman Osborn are the ones that come to my head.
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>>88835024
aw man, I miss Misfits when it was good
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>villain goes from being serious threat to innocuous, to a friend
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>>88834964
>Big bad is about to be defeated.
>Everybody gets in for one final attack.

Alternately
>Protagonist performs an attack that has significant ties to another character that died.
>That character appears in spirit or in their mind to help with the attack.
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>Seemingly impossible event occurs due to pure faith/effort/determination.

>>88835223
>heroes go to bad future and see themselves as OP and evil.
Bonus points if they're justified evil like the death of Wally.

>>88839710
>the episode is about a retro, noir alternate universe
I'm a fucking sucker for noir alternate dimensions.
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>>88834964
Why can't a change in history make everything better?
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>>88840349
>History where the character was never born.
>EVERYTHING'S better. Even shit they didn't think they had anything to do with.
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>>88839760
People aren't cattle. It takes more than just having food and not being murdered to call a place a utopia.
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>>88840059
>Four episode long Father Son Kamehameha
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>>88840415
Waiting for the butcher of freedom!
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>The perspective briefly changes to the antagonist and shows why their actions are justifiable and not entirely evil.
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>>88840415

If you take care of the basic necessities in life most people would be on board. I was thinking more of brave new world where everything is advanced and all wants and desires are met.
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>>88837517
>all the reoccuring characters except for the MC(s) get turned into zombies/vampires/etc.
>they get better
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>old gruff wisened soldier trains a young idealist and has his life is changed for the better from training him
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>>88840448
I know this is supposed to be triggering but I just find it dumb since the main antagonist of Dragon Age Origins is inarguably Loghain and he should be in good tier
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>>88840485
sauce of pic?
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>>88840523
>Loghain in good tier
The guy's excuse holds no water because we do not get enough time to get to know him without actively forgiving him, accepting him into the party, and pissing off Alistair. This makes him seem less good and more shit. Meh at best.
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>>88834964
>character lives a full and happy life, dyinof old age surrounded by family and friends
>only to wake up in their younger body
>it was all a dream

Bonus points if it's just a background event and the show/movie continues as if it hadn't happened (a la Rick and Morty)
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>>88834964
>Character is trying to figure out what to do
>Voice of another character starts repeating something from earlier in the episode over and over again, seemingly in the characters head
>Camera pans out a bit and it turns out the character is actually just right there beside him
>"I heard you the first time!"
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>>88840380
>B-but it's too mean spirited
>think of the children
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>>88840608
you disgust me.
>Comedic relief character is actually super strong
>He's also really depressed,
>Just doesn't want to be a downer.
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>>88834964
>comic relief villain becomes mayor thread.
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>>88840787
And/or king, captain, or otherwise leader, depending on the setting
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>>88834964
>Superhero gives up and tries to live the civvie life.
>Is hesitant and tries to ignore trouble and that makes him realize why they became a hero int he first place
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>>88834964
>hero an villain must work together
>they make an amazing team
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>>88839760
It works for the villain, everyone else is an instrument for him.
Hiveminds are the most selfish kind of utopia? Who's at the top? The guy who thought about it in the first place. Just look at communist regimes, what hiveminds imply is that you're ripping out the basis for human rights in the first place.
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>>88840569
He's still not all that good because his reasoning is basically "I'll take my own experiences and fight the devil I know over the word of the Wardens and fight the devil I don't. Even while the devil I don't know is destroying the country in a way even Orlais couldn't and wouldn't do"
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>>88841484

It's a mutual relationship. People give up their independence and pledge loyalty and exchange it for security and happiness.
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>>88840471
To be honest, BNW is pretty dystopian and I'd rather live innawoods before belonging to such a pathetic society.
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>>88839981
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>>88834964
I love happy endings, sad endings get me bummed.
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>villains of the series reveal in the finale they are working for an even greater, eviler villain
>eviler villain gets an amazing, intimidating introduction to the series
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>>88841570
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>>88841824
>Series ends
Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo was great
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>character reveals himself as the villain 2/3 into the film
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>>88841578

You know people won't pass up on utopia over ego.
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>>88841570
Security is a hollow ideal if it comes at the price of your will, happiness is subjective. You can't force happiness onto people.
What you're saying is the same as a caged bird with clipped wings. It will be feed and taken care of, but it will forever remain an stunned and unrealized individual. The very act of "taming" an animal is to make it reliant on you, and make it abandon its desire for self-reliance. Like that anon said, people aren't cattle. You're basically taming people, allowing people to live meaningless mediocre and dictated existences, squandering under the apparent blanket of conformity. Brave New World takes this further, allowing people to be born without attachment to anything or anyone, wallow in hedonistic, hollow relationships, addled by (rationed) hallucinogens and the overall frowning of "negative" behavior, and trapped into a predetermined caste way of life.
So yes, totalitarianism (and to a further extent, hiveminds) is evil, doesn't matter what outcome, because it works by stripping down the people it's supposed to be protecting.
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>>88834964
>Minor character in one season becomes a main character in next season

>Deceased character or minor character returns in a flashback episode

>Supporting character has an episode focusing on them.
>BONUS: Main character doesn't appear.
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The protagonists having back up is by far my favorite trope, especially in /co/ shit

Like when Batman reveals that the rest of the League is behind the hangar gate, or in Young Justice when the Team is is revealed piece by piece as some fly in from the top of the cave and others unmask themselves as decoy henchmen. A proper reinforcements scene gets me everytime.
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>>88841925
I'm well aware there are people that crave utopia no matter what cost, but there's also people who think the opposite. It's also the reason why such "utopias" will never come to pass, because they require people to follow the same way of thinking.
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>>88839038
Moville Mysteries did this one pretty good.
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>>88841938

As heroic as that sounds, it is far from the truth. There is nothing evil about humans, just what society accepts and doesn't. The majority of people in America, the literal sense of freedom, don't vote, choosing to go along with the flow rather than actively participate in the decision making process. Noam Chomsky once stated that people no longer care about being enlightened but are so far gone in the trivialites of their own lives which cause them to fall into the spiral of silence thus consenting to whatever society they are in. The people you and this guy >>88842111 are talking about are extreme cases that are few and far between. You cannot permanently get rid of these people so you have to get them to consent to the idea of the utopia while proving them an outlet for their ambition and creativity.so long as it doesn't upset the system.
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>>88841917
See: every Disney Movie from Wreck it Ralph to Zootopia
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>Character sacrificed himself
> It was enseless Sacrifice
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>>88834964
>It's a crossdressing episode
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>>88842812
>Character attempts to sacrifice self.
>Things work out without them needing to go through with it.
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I love it when the group of heroes get separated, either because events outside their control force them to or because they need to go their own separate ways and over the course of the season grow in unexpected ways through their attempts to reunite or finish the initial quest by themselves until fate brings them back together where for some it's a joyous, heartfelt reunion and for others it is a somber occasion because their allegiances have shifted and now find themselves on the opposite side.
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>>88842727
He said 2/3 into the film not 10 minutes until the credits.
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>>88834964
>Character seemingly dies out of left field
>Later when heroes are on the ropes character returns to save the day

Bonus points when:

>Character sent to limbo
>Chooses to remain on earth to help friends
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>>88840448
This chart is complete horseshit.
Ratigan, Sheev, Joker, and Hannibal are all terrific villains.
Freeze is a shit villain because he only has one story and it's literally "muh waifu!" over and over again.
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>episode makes fun of Fans of the show itself by making a character obsessed with the MC
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>good character turns evil
>they have a mustace
>their hair changes color or is slightly messy
>they speak with a britsh or german accent
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>>88835158
holy fucking shit, learn what words mean
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>>88834964
>the bully isn't actually secretly depressed, he's just a dick
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>>88842434
>You cannot permanently get rid of these people so you have to get them to consent to the idea of the utopia while proving them an outlet for their ambition and creativity.so long as it doesn't upset the system.
That sounds suspiciously of what's going on right now.
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>>88843409
>That sounds suspiciously of what's going on right now.

It's about social engineering to make humanity better.
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>>88840448
But Ganon is great because he's the literal embodiment of evil. Hell, he even had his sympathetic side in Wind Waker but was still an ass.
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>>88834964
>huge intimidating beast
>actually friendly or timid
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>>88834964
>villain is so fucking evil and such a threat that the other villains team up with the heroes to stop them
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>>88840349
>That Family Guy episode where Peter marries Molly Ringwald in the past
>The entire world is better off as a result

>But Chevy Chase is hosting the Tonight Show or something
>"Oh god, we messed up bad, we messed up real bad!"
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>>88842027
Dude I fucking LOVE that shit
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>Stable time loop
>Main characters caused some historical event
>We see what really happened at Roswell, who killed JFK, etc
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>>88843452
Better for everyone, or just better?
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>>88840485
>Adult befriends a young girl who helps him with his love life by going on pretend dates with him and stuff
>I'M NOT A PEDO, GUYS, I SWEAR
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>>88844387
Does that happen in cartoons?
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>>88844375

Everyone.
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>You missed!
>I wasn't aiming for you
OH SHIT
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>>88844457
This happen to fucking much in JJBA and HxH, and I love it.
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>>88844416
A guy on /co/ asked for advice on a webcomic he was working on with this premise, and was thoroughly mocked.
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>Character rarely, if ever, talks in an understandable way
>Still has a really clearly-defined and enjoyable personality
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>MC defeats a villain they physically can't beat by using a cheap trick
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>Character's face is never seen/voice is never heard
>The reveal almost happens but is stopped by something silly like a second mask under their mask or a truck loudly driving by when they say their name
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>Show has a kind of funny, not too dangerous antagonist and a Shit Gets Real antagonist
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>>88840380

I've only seen that in that cartoon version of Little shop of horrors. Probably the only funny episode of the whole thing.
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>>88835267
New SpongeBob did this trope terribly
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>>88840448

Too obvious a troll because of Adachi.
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>>88840538
Google Jlullaby
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> main characters reveal the big secret and how populace is being controlled or whatever
>the people don't want to know the truth and want to be controlled
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>hero is outmatched and getting the living shit beaten out of him
>continues to be defiant and just shit talks the villain
>bonus points if it actually starts pissing the villain off
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>It's a time travel episode with multiple clones of one person
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>>88844457

My favorite version of this is Superman vs Manchester Black.
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>>88840448
I'm not gonna say the Investigation Team was correct, because all they did is say "U SUCK LOL", but Adachi does indeed suck because he chooses to blame everything in society instead of doing any introspection, so he indulges into selfish and reckless pursuits such as killing people as a game, and wants the world to be the same because "CHAOS DUDE LMAO". Adachi has the personality depth of a puddle.
This is why he possesses a corrupted version of the protagonist's persona. He represents everything wrong with The Fool arcana: impulsiveness, frivolity and poor judgement.
You can easily cross out any """chaotic""" villain this way. They try to drown and break others with pseudo-nihilist philosophy to hide the fact that they are just aimless beasts that only live in this instant.
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>>88844669
>Star Vs. The forces of Evil season 1.
> Wander Over Yonder.
> Adventure Time
> Gravity Falls
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>>88839760
>made it better
I don't think you understand
The villain doesn't create utopias, he makes dystopias centered around him (and sometimes also his crew)
everything's for HIS benefit, everybody else can go and die for all he cares
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>>88845429

It depends on the "villain" really. There are some villains who are genuine in their belief that what they are doing and their antagonistic ways are only perpetuated because the protagonist disagrees with them. If there is a genuine ruler then it can very much benefit everyone if the world is unified under one person.
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>>88845610
>what they are doing is best for everyone

Sorry about that.
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>>88840059
>>Protagonist performs an attack that has significant ties to another character that died.
>>That character appears in spirit or in their mind to help with the attack.

GODDAMN I LOVE THIS

Only examples I can think of are either anime or toku series though.
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>>88839760
>>88840471
>>88841570
>>88842434
>>88843452
>>88844419
Kek, the same line of thought behind fascism, communism, etc.

>We'll do what's """best""" for """everyone""" and others will learn to submit to our benevelant rule! Oh, they won't submit? Well I guess we'll have to do something about them to keep out progress going!

Haven't you utopia chasers done enough to the world this past century or so?

Protip: If you need to keep the populace sedated via drugs, brainwashing, or force then you aren't doing them any favors as human beings unless you just see them as little more than living piles of meat.

Which brings to mind another question...

Why not just lobotomize the entire populace? You seem to believe that if a person is breathing and not in any noticeable distress then it's a victory for humanity, regardless of that person's mental state.

Hell, start with yourself and then report back- OH WAIT, let me guess! You intend to be a part of the ruling/administrative class in this brave new world, am I right?
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>>88845770

Calm down dude, this isn't the place to be arguing natural derived dignity of human beings vs. authoritarianism.
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>>88845839
If it starts in a thread then it belongs in the thread.
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>>88844678
The two examples that come to mind are Beavis and Butthead's Christmas Special and Fairly Odd Parents.
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>>88845770

I have no intentions of being the ruler, it does not suit me, but if I could be a part of the process it would make me happy. I only want to see people at their most optimal performance. Its not out of sick desire for being on top which is the folly of some totalitarian systems but it is more efficient when the people are happy to be apart of the system. Hence there is no need for brainwashing or lobotomies, because people are perfectly capable of surrendering their own free will if it has been proven the system works. Now there have been failures but their have been success as well. Denmark is a huge success in its pursuit of utopia. The people there well fed, have families, and pursue their desires. They make enough to sustain the system and in return they don't need to worry about thinking about the big decisions. They don't compete nor have the desire to. They are almost at perfection.
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>>88845770
>>88845839
Fuck off this is a cartoon board
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>>88845770
Well said. But I think you were right the first time with fascists. Utopia Chasers implies it's about some grand noble striving instead of fear-based entrenching. Frightened Marvel citizens wanting security from those scary mutants and all that.

It's the same thing as "whatever nationality/race/religion/generation/etc I was born into is the best. People like me should be in charge and we should all agree because I am uncomfortable with differences."

Check out Robert Altemeyer's writings and research on authoritarianism if you haven't already.
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>>88846080
>"whatever nationality/race/religion/generation/etc I was born into is the best. People like me should be in charge and we should all agree because I am uncomfortable with differences."
That reminds me of Apocalypse in the X-Men Evolution cartoon.
>Since when has mankind ever known what it needs?"
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>>88840448
It's all in the presentation, honestly.

>>88835123
>The villain wants to be the hero/has an almost fetish-like attraction for the hero

>>88835024
I love this one as well
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>Innocent or unassuming character orchestrates the whole ordeal.
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>Villain reveal
>"Oh my god"
>"There is no god here. Only me"

Or any variation of that line. Makes me rock hard.
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>Character keeping an eye out for suscpisious individuals
>There a fucking convention going on full of people looking like suspicious individuals
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>>88834964
>Treasure is searched for and found
>It looks like a metaphorical treasure
>Turns out the metaphor was yet another very literal clue
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Well shit, I have to be off for a bit and the thread is super dead now.

>>88845987
>New antagonist shows up to make everyone's life hell.
>Looks like no one can get the jump on the guy.
>Asshole authority figure (boss, cop, etc) that usually plays the role of lawful neutral/evil antagonist puts them in their place, showing that they ARE useful for something.

Bonus points if this happens more than once, or leads to a positive relationship development between the main cast and the authority figure.

Happy now?

>>88845985
>I want to be a part of the process!
And there it is.
>People will surrender to the magical kingdom of greatness!
So you're arguing in favor of a complete and total fantasy? Nice, thoughts and opinions soundly discarded. Nice try trying to make this place sound even nicer btw, maybe promise free puppies and energy too next time.
>Muh small white homogenous nation
Read up on what it's actually like living there, it's not exactly a utopia unless you like the idea of acting and thinking as a single massive indistinguishable blob. Even real success is frowned upon if you're too good at something simply because you might stand out too much.

>>88846080
"Utopia Chasers" refers not to just those that promise a shining utopia with ulterior motives, but those wanting to believe in it as well, as they are always the enablers of such disastrous plans.

Stuff like eugenics, for instance, was pursued with the best of intentions not unlike >>88845985 here, but the results of such beliefs in practice were disastrous.

It's ultimately a struggle between modernist and post-modernist thinking. I understand the appeal of achieving perfection but there are far too many instances in history where groups think they know best, go for that goal, and leave rivers of blood in their wake only for it to be revealed that their ideas were flawed from the start.
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>>88847536
That's a lot of "nice" in my post there lmao
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>>88834964

Rape was deemed okay, cus woman dressed like a whore.
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>>88847611
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>>88834964
>Brother and sister don't get along
>So she puts a gun to his head and forces him to fuck a dog while she videotapes it and he ever pisses her off she'll put it online and email it to everyone he knows
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>>88847611
>plumbus/human hybrid
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>>88835024
I love this effect because it always sends chills down my neck.

I'm not sure why though. Like your shadow is just a projection of you, and when it creates something it's seemingly not supposed to form it's like you have been corrupted.
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>>88839666
You just reminded me of something
>villain says he's been there all along
>flashes back to scenes where they weren't before until they said they were.
Humpty did that
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>>88847867
Shit like this poster got me so hyped as a kid.
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>>88847536
>And there it is.

That what? I want to help humanity?

>So you're arguing in favor of a complete and total fantasy? Nice, thoughts and opinions soundly discarded. Nice try trying to make this place sound even nicer btw, maybe promise free puppies and energy too next time.

Well of course since there isn't a system in place as of yet that matches what I am describing so you can't see the effects.

>Read up on what it's actually like living there, it's not exactly a utopia unless you like the idea of acting and thinking as a single massive indistinguishable blob. Even real success is frowned upon if you're too good at something simply because you might stand out too much.

Denmark has it's faults particularly in the realm of race which is why I do not think it's perfect, yet. That "blob" you are talking about is the ideal society. Everyone is on equal footing and perform functions best suited to them. Yes people are shunned by being too successful because that promotes competition which threats the society. The problem with people standing out and overwhelming success is it stirs negative emotions among the rest and the winner or stand out gains an ego. Most people like yourself associate with collective society as negative yet fail to address the flaws of a free society. The United States continues to be one of the biggest contributions of crime because there is no security. A free society in of itself is anarchistic in nature and makes the individual think they are more than what they are worth. The level of distrust against others and the superficial arrogance of oneself cause people to seek out their best interest. There is no room for sympathy in a free society and paranoia is rampant. In a collective society the assurance of security and addressing their desire cause people to become more complacent and thus pose less of a threat to themselves or others. I would like to see how far humanity can progress if they are devoid of all irrational emotion.
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>New bad guy comes along trying to destroy the world.
>Usual baddie teams up with the hero because they can't take over if everything's gone.
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>>88843367
This literally happens in Fight Club.
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>>88847867

It's great. I also love it when human/powerless villains make visual callbacks to imagery of devils, monsters or dragons, or are refered to as such. Does anyone get what I'm refering to?
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>>88848226
Not the guy you're arguing with, but you sound like a stock robot/A.I. overlord.
People don't want what's safest and "best", they want freedom and the chance to push themselves to see how far they can get. Why do you think people flock to Hollywood and try to become actors, even though odds are they'll fail miserably and anyone with a brain knows that?
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>>88848409

You know it's funny you mention Hollywood because that particular industry describes everything I covered. People strive for such a glamorous lifestyle that was incepted into their heads by Hollywood and throw away their lives to pursue an idea that doesn't even exist. And even if they do become successful in their endeavors they become egomaniacs who are gripped in whatever vice they developed along the way. It is why you see too often celebrities going to rehab or dying at such young ages because they took all the drugs and had all the sex they could have. The sad part is there is so much coverage in celebrities lives nowadays they have to be the person people see them as 24/7 and if they don't they become shunned from the industry. I ask you know: Can you honestly tell me that such a pitiful existence is better than the paradise I have laid out for you?
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>>88848739
>Know

Now. My apologies.
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>>88847715
Gravity Falls?
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>>88848226
>That what? I want to help humanity?
You would hate the idea of being nothing, so you need to latch onto anything to give yourself an ounce of worth in this pitiful idea of a society we're talking about. Well, what I'm talking about. As soon as I point out a flaw in such thinking you moved the post and claimed it was actually super great and perfect because hey! It's all hypothetical anyways.

>Well of course since there isn't a system in place as of yet that matches what I am describing so you can't see the effects.
And there never will be, no matter how much blood is spilt to achieve it.

>Denmark has it's faults particularly in the realm of race which is why I do not think it's perfect, yet.
And that's the key issue. If the US were as racially and culturally homogenous as Denmark, which would be impossible due to how large it is, then I can guarantee you that crime rates would take a dive regardless of laws.

>That "blob" you are talking about is the ideal society.
What a joke and too easily debunked. You already contradicted yourself by stating everyone should live up their potential, but then they can't here because it might hurt feelings. You also imply that everyone gets to do exactly what they excel at, but more likely they're pressured into demanded positions due to their willingness to bend to societal pressure.

>Most people like yourself associate with collective society as negative yet fail to address the flaws of a free society.
I'm not against a collective, I'm just against hive mind mentality as it stifles thought and converts humans into cogs.

Everything else you said after this is pure unadulterated hyperbole, like how a free society has no sympathy despite it being required there but not in state controlled one. Had a good kek at you indirectly deciding people's values btw.

>I would like to see how far humanity can progress if they are devoid of all irrational emotion.
Top kek, it's called Science Fiction for a reason dumbfuck.
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>>88835024
That part of the YGO intro were Yugi's casting two shadows. Still fucking tite.
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>>88839038
I actually hate this one. It's lazy.
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>>88849273
>You would hate the idea of being nothing, so you need to latch onto anything to give yourself an ounce of worth in this pitiful idea of a society we're talking about.

How do you explain the people of Denmark then? They are happy participating in their society and aren't "scrounging for a shred of humanity as you put it.

>And there never will be, no matter how much blood is spilt to achieve it.

You keep harping that there must be death to achieve this utopia but I think the best society won't need any bloodshed to be implemented.

>If the US were as racially and culturally homogenous as Denmark

You are missing the point, it's because there is diversity that it bogs the country down. If you could eliminate the importance of that diversity and make everyone equal then race becomes obsolete.

>You already contradicted yourself by stating everyone should live up their potential, but then they can't here because it might hurt feelings.

I'm stating humanity can take more advantage of their potential as a group rather than an individual effort.

> I'm just against hive mind mentality as it stifles thought and converts humans into cogs.

Again, you fail to address the disorder and harm free society continues to conjure. The problem with freedom is that there is no control over what people can do to each other and enforcement only happens on a reactionary level. Sympathy is required in a collective society because any sort of disorder threatens that security so people have to look otu for one another.

>Top kek, it's called Science Fiction for a reason dumbfuck.

Conditioning is real practice that is used for the wrong reasons. with the right amount of social engineering we can obtain what is thought to be fiction.
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>>88849594
>How do you explain the people of Denmark then?
I was talking about you dumbass.

>You keep harping that there must be death to achieve this utopia
There is no utopia, just death from people trying to achieve it. Even Denmark's laws and culture would be radically different if it weren't for Marxism, which led to massive bloodshed.

>it's because there is diversity that it bogs the country down.
We /pol/ now!

>If you could eliminate the importance of that diversity and make everyone equal then race becomes obsolete.
... and YOU missed the part about culture, but race will always be an issue no matter how minor. We're unfortunately hardwired for it.

>I'm stating humanity can take more advantage of their potential as a group rather than an individual effort.
Humanity's greatest achievements have always been spearheaded by individuals capable of thinking different from the masses.

>Again, you fail to address the disorder and harm free society continues to conjure.
The US' issue with crime isn't related to freedom, it's a cultural problem. Look at the terror attacks in Europe today, or the murder rate in gun control heavy cities like Chicago. The issue is the cultures that support such violence prevail there, not the freedom. Limiting freedom only dampens the symptoms but is never a cure.

>Sympathy is required in a collective society because any sort of disorder threatens that security so people have to look otu for one another.
What? Do you even know what sympathy is? You yourself believe that people need to be controlled, that they're worth a certain amount, and that they should't try to achieve greater success. That isn't sympathy, it's tyranny.

>Conditioning is real practice that is used for the wrong reasons. with the right amount of social engineering we can obtain what is thought to be fiction.
Sorry dude, that's far too much disconnected autism for me to carry on further with you. Enjoy playing sim city.

PS: Sympathy is an emotion lmao
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Holiday specials are always great, be it Christmas, Halloween, Thanksgiving, etc.
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>>88850554
Fuck, forgot my picture.
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>>88848946
Yeah, that was a wild episode.
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>>88850366
>I was talking about you dumbass.

Why would I be the one trying to be human? Humanity is striving for perfection which makes me most human.

>There is no utopia, just death from people trying to achieve it. Even Denmark's laws and culture would be radically different if it weren't for Marxism, which led to massive bloodshed.

Except it didn't and therefore proof there can be peaceful implementation.

>... and YOU missed the part about culture, but race will always be an issue no matter how minor. We're unfortunately hardwired for it.

Culture has caused more harm than good and therefore should be eradicated. Race is tougher but I can see the solution to negate race until it is of trivial importance.

>Humanity's greatest achievements have always been spearheaded by individuals capable of thinking different from the masses.

Innovators are not special, they only invest more time into ideas than most. Groups can achieve the same result at a pace that doesn't shock the society. Incremental changes helps maintain order and devalues achievement and thus negates ego.

>The issue is the cultures that support such violence prevail there, not the freedom.

Culture is the problem. Eliminate culture and you eliminate all problems related to it.

> You yourself believe that people need to be controlled, that they're worth a certain amount, and that they should't try to achieve greater success.

Because it's not about the individual it's about the group. the more people invest into the idea of the group the more apart of it they become. A watch can only work if all the piece are in place and function accordingly. Each has their worth but the function of the watch is most important.

>Sorry dude, that's far too much disconnected autism for me to carry on further with you.

Resort to name calling all you want, it does not affect me.
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>villain does something so vile, it breaks the hero emotionally, mentally, morally etc
>the hero becomes something worse than the villain
>the hero genuinely terrifies the villain
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>>88843367
>I think protagonist means good guy!
You can't be this uneducated.
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>>88841984
>Minor character in one season becomes a main character in next season
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>>88839760
Define world peace? If it's just the absence of war we can have that easily without mind control/totalitarianism.
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>>88840448
>All these people responding to this chart about the villains directly.
It's about motivations of villains, not the villains themselves.

Goddamn it /co/.
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>>88851229

World peace is without war, crime, or malicious intent.
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>>88841570

>hive mind
>security and happiness

Pick one.
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>>88851390

You can be both secure and part of a group,
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>>88851389
>without malicious intent
Forcing peace is, in and of itself, malicious.
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>>88839416
>Fuck I hate this. If it works why break it?
Because innovation requires a certain degree of individuality and totalitarianism never fucking works.
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>>88851404
Hive minds are about sacrificing individualism for the group. There is no security for those in fascism or hive minds. They're expendable.

You can't say ants are secure in their hive. They're disposable parts sacrificed the the whole. It's literally a contradiction saying you're secure in such governments.
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>>88844508
That wasn't the premise. The premise was that he was going to kill himself, but first he has to babysit this kid because of reasons.
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>>88848739
I will admit there are multiple issues with the Hollywood system you laid out, but I don't believe taking it away and replacing it with a hivemind where no one is allowed to excel is the way to go. Uniformity breeds mediocrity breeds stagnation.
>>88850802
It is impossible to eliminate culture. Being in a group in and of itself creates a culture. Sticking everyone in one big group would only homogenize the culture to a certain extent, and I can't bring myself to believe that there will ever exist a society where every single person on the globe will agree to stick to one culture.
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>>88849326
100% Yes
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>>88851500

And yet Denmark still stands.

>>88851499

That is not what I am advocating. I want people to willingly participate in this group thought.

>>88851518

There has to be an exchange of security for individuals otherwise you risk the society falling apart. People will not want to participate if they are not secure.

>>88851558
>Uniformity breeds mediocrity breeds stagnation.

Being safe is most important. Advancement will come in time.

>and I can't bring myself to believe that there will ever exist a society where every single person on the globe will agree to stick to one culture.

Denmark participates in this type of thinking. They are happy to be in a society that only asks for their participation in their society in exchange for participating in group think.
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>>88851706
You do realize Denmark's groupthink doesn't extend to anyone else, right? They're heavily anti-immigrant, and the odds are they can only sustain their society because they have a relatively small population and refuse to let in anyone who doesn't support their views. Their way of life can't spread globally because they're outnumbered by people who disagree with them.

Unrelated, the new captcha pics are delightful.
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>>88851706
>>88852000
Also, advancement requires risk, which is against everything a society built on safety stands for.
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>>88852000

Denmark has its flaws but its success is proof a society like this can work. The ideal scenario is the idea spread globally and every surrenders to this society.

>>88852027

Advancement is human nature to make lives easier and safer. That is it's function. As such, advancement will happen, as for the pace the safest way to make these advances is when the group is ready.
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>old master trains the chosen one
>villian appears and chosen one escapes with the master to fight the villian
>master gets curbstomped by the villian.
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>>88834964
>character does something irreversible and its there for the rest of the series
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>>88852310
Where do you live? Legitimately curious.
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>>88852594

California.
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>>88852911
>guy from California wants to go as left as possible
Heh. Which brings us full circle to the thread topic,

>guy from place claims stereotypes aren't true
>the cast heads to said place and every stereotype is true
Every time. Most culture shock tropes are usually good for a laugh, actually.
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>>88853280
>Heh. Which brings us full circle to the thread topic,

The people here aren't too keen with my idea. They seem to think they can reach utopia while maintaining both individuality and freedom. It is delusional and illogical that such a thing can happen.

Also I don't think stereotypes fits in this conversation.
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>>88848382
expand homes
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>>88839737
The old Ninja Turtles cartoon from the 80's kinda had something like this, with Michelangelo and Leonardo being turned into kids.
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>>88844596
>cheap trick was actually foreshadowed earlier in the film
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The hero takes down a crime lord and takes his place to control crime. While staying good.
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>>88854589
When has this ever happened outside of JoJo?
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>>88846517
>THIS is God.
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>>88842979
My boy Okuyasu.
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>>88851163
The protagonist can be bad, but you can't 'reveal' one halfway through the plot.
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>Chekov's Gun
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>>88841984
>Character that is barely mentioned or referenced in a previous season becomes a main character in later seasons.

>Second in command/sidekick outlives the main villain or hero and becomes a main character eventually
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>>88855007
If I'm not mistaken, on Bendis' Daredevil run
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>Idiot character does something heroic/fulfills the mission
>You did it!
>"The what?" or "Oh yeah, that's what I did"
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>>88844596
>>88854150

DORMAMU

I'VE COME TO BARGAIN
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>>88847940
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>>88839760
Hi, SuperHitler.
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>>88840608
First time I saw that was in Invader Zim and loved it
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>>88856901
You're retarded, you can and it has happened before.
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>things look a bit bleak for our heroes
>protagonist stands up and says "I have a plan!"
>sound fades out as he explains it to the rest of the gang
>everyone nodding along and looking excited
>drum beat kicks in as a preptime montage starts up
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>>88848382
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>>88857851
Actually I was referring to another film.
It's obscure and was released in 2005
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>>88840485
Why is she smiling when Killer Queen is choking her?
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>>88834964
>character goes back in time and causes history to occur as it actually did
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>>88859535
Sharkboy and Lavagirl?
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>>88859997
Nope.
The Toy Warrior
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>The fate of the world is in the hands of a minor/unrelated to the current situation character, often by accident or random chance.
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>>88845753
Final case in Trials and Tribulations did this.
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>>88839737
Happens with Flutterbat, too.
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>>88861633
OUT
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>>88844074
Can't say that was the case for Kill la Kill
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>>88856901
Ever read the book of Acts? The first few chapters are about Peter going full pope, and then Paul is introduced in chapter 8 and completely monopolizes the story by chapter 11.
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>>88853356
What's delusional and illogical is trying to introduce a utopia in the first place, especially whenever humanity ISN'T one big happy family with the same cultural and ideological values.
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>>88844629
>second mask
Fuck, that made me chuckle just thinking about it.
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>>88835223
Definitely.
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>>88851327
yeah, but even then, the motivations of a villain does not dictate if one is good or bad, it's the villain themselves that should matter in the end
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>>88840380
i hate this trope with a passion, it's like, why am i watching this nigga suffer for entertainment
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>>88848382
Azrael from Blazblue?
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>dark is not evil
>light is not good
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>>88862344
What can I say, I'm a sucker for dark humor. The opposite situation of a character realizing their self worth via an "It's a Wonderful Life" scenario is always nice however.
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>The show's most common receiver of slapstick/misfortune is an attractive/cute female character with a likable personality.
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Time Traveler keeps going back to save someone only too keep failing.
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>>88862771
>Guts and Griffith
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>>88851017
Love this.
> I have lots of rules. Today's not a good day to find out why.
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>>88863113
SHUT THE FUCK UP, DEE, YOU BIRD!
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>>88865283
>Dee
>Attractive or likable
Fuck out of here
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>>88865310
It's Always Sunny isn't exactly a cartoon
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>>88842930

Why do people like Frozen again?
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>>88851327
No because a villain can have the most sympathetic motive ever and still be incredibly boring if they're not characterised well.

Meanwhile a villain can have the most simple motivation like 'I want power for myself' and still be far more interesting if that motivation is integrated well into their character and personality.

I mean I don't think I'm being controversial if I say Ratigan is a much moreally engaging character than Professor Callaghan.
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>Through character development, looser villain becomes an effective and dangerous threat over the course of a series.
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>>88835024
>Their shadow IS their true form/nature
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>>88851017
Always wanted to see this done from the villains PoV.

Maybe they frame themselves as an underdog and the hero a bully, only to find out too late at the end what actually happens when the hero doesn't hold back.
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>>88856901
Fight club, Heavy Rain and maybe nightcrawler.
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>A villain makes the friendship speech
>Team of villains have no quarrel with one another/ are better friends to one another than the Hero team is

>Other team of Heroes/Villains are the same as the original teams but better in every way
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>>88840569
>>88841563
To be fair, Loghain has a extremely deep-seated hatred for Orlais who had Ferelden under their thumb for years before he and Maric rebelled and kicked them out. Not only that, but Cailan was conspiring to divorce his daughter and marry the Empress of Orlais.
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>>88847536
Utopia chasing is perfectly fine, people making improvements for others, society or people yet to exist is dandy. The problem is when they insist others must conform to their beliefs or else.
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>>88844387
I loved that thread anon, the guy replied to me and got mad at my suggestion that he could have sidestepped the issue by making the adult gay.
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>>88852310
>Denmark has its flaws but its success is proof a society like this can work. The ideal scenario is the idea spread globally and every surrenders to this society.
But as someone already said before, it's success won't necessarily translate on a global scale. What works for a smaller, homogeneous nation probably won't work on a larger scale.
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>Villain meets and befriends protagonist
>Protagonist discovers villain's secret and fights villain
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>>88868822
Which thread was that?
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>New villain almost kills the hero
>The old villains team up to save the hero
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>>88835111
Love this, especially when it's a male/female hero/villain duo and there's a shipping undercurrent.
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>>88835024
>Reading Warcraft The Last Guardian book for the first time, completely new to Warcraft
>Khadgar sees two shadows behind Medivh
>mfw
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>>88840448
Wind Waker gives Ganon a sympathetic backstory anon.
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>>88869837
>villain only does so because he knows that if the new villain succeeds, he won't get to rule the world himself
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>>88870137
>"I'm the only one allowed to kill you"
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>Villain beats hero and starts to walk away.
>Hero stands back up.
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>Hero on the verge of the defeat
>Pulls an over the top weapon or move out of nowhere or something about the power of friendship or love
>Theme song starts playing
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>>88869717
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/67839499/
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Weaker Bad Guy from earlier in the series shows up to team up with hero against newer power creeped bad guy
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The power of the human spirit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM5WqJp7tUQ
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>>88856812

Every time I rewatch Nightmare on Elm Street I forget just how fucking GOOD it is. The bodybag scene in the hallway gets me every time. It's so perfect.
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>villain befriends a stranger(s) who have know idea they're evil
>villain grows attached to them, even starts to love them like family
>almost as if the villain will give up on their evil ways just to be with them
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>>88871379
>Villain has a normal life when he's not doing evil.
>The idea of someone finding out who he really is, especially someone they care about, terrifies them.
>People think he's a god person, and it kills him on the inside.
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>>88857938

Hitler wanted to conquer people, I want to make them better.

>>88861986

I admit right now humanity is not ready for it but with conditioning and weening off of liberties they will begin to see the light.

>>88868894

Only because other people are not open to that idea just yet. Their brains need to be rewired to think that the collective is the right path.
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>>88844793
>I am many things Man of Steel.
>Here, I am God.
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>>88839760
villains are the type of people who solve world hunger by letting everybody starve to death
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>>88844562
Have you seen Chowder? Schnitzel a bro
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>>88872446

Again, what kind of villain are we talking about? If the villain is say like Kuvira she fed and supported the countries she conquered.
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>>88870577
>the weaker badguy/comic relief and henchman of the main guy was the real big bad all along
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>>88856876
>>88842979
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>>88850802
>Culture has caused more harm than good and therefore should be eradicated.

Oh okay "Art and Poets should be destroyed!" Plato.
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>>88871379
I love when this is inverted
>villain befriends a good guy who have no idea they're evil
>good guy grows attached to them, even starts to love them like family, they seem so nice
>The reveal is done by someone just mentioning who they are or them having to step forward
>Good character is split between their formed friendship and the character being pretty much bad
It's such a sweet scene when this happens. Bonus points if the villain is great and the only one who can cheer the hero up.
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>>88852583
>Hollywoo
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>The character that hasn't done much for the series, but always tries his best, has his berserker switch activated and flies in to such a fury that even his teammates are afraid.
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>>88839416
Ever read Brave New World?
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>>88840448
>it's the "good villains are the ones who are sympathetic" meme
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>abrupt moment of black comedy in mostly kid-friendly show
>entire episode of absurd meta humor in mostly serious show
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>>88834964


>Episode moral Santa ruined Christmas with consumerist and character need defeat Santa Claus for save Christmas
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>>88872670

What does art do for people? It only entertains and distracts people from functioning at optimal levels.

>>88872898

Yes and it is very much a paradise.
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>>88834964

>Shows is running by +20 years
>Characters never age but meet modern celebrities and give smartphones that dont existed in his time
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>>88857887
Speaking of which, goddamn an I a sticker for hero kids- kids stuff, jl8, ps238, technically Gotham
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>The sequel is many years after and all of the characters are old, battered, and tired from the world which has become horrible and uncaring.
>What little remains of the cast teams up to make things right.

I swear there's probably a name that's much better at eloquently describing what I mean, but I'm sure you people know what I mean.
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>>88835024
is that supposed to be The Stig?
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>Kamen Rider parody
Haha right, I sure do love how often that trope is used in Western cartoons!
it hurts, why always Power Rangers parodies
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>>88844457
Shonen as fuck and I can never get enough of it.

>Villain believes he has hero trapped
>Hero can't escape or stop the villain without suffering great bodily harm/death
>Villain gets all smug, assured of his victory
>Hero doesn't care and makes the sacrifice anyway
>Villain's face when
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>"We're not so different you and I"
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>Protagonist goes into the future to discover they've become the villain
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>Villain is so fucking batshit insane that his henchmen get fed up and check him into an insane asylum
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>>88875216
I don't care what anyone says, that episode is god-tier
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>>88839038
>Characters travel to the Mesozoic
>Somehow the time device/machine/spell/etc skips millions of years and the next time destination is the Paleolithic times (cavemen)
>every next time periods they travel from now on are just a century apart from each other
Why. And also why it always the Mesozoic period of choice has to be the Late Cretaceous, hours before the meteor impact?
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