Are the Star Wars cartoons any good?

Yeah

Yes. Surprisingly. Both of them, clone wars cgi and rebels, take a bit to get going... but once they do it gets good. Plus surprisingly violent for a Disney kids show.

>>88828189
Yes.

Just stay away from the /swco/ general.

They're so much better than the new films it's not even funny.

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the 2003 series is god-tier.

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>>88828537
NOT CANON

>>88828189
The Clone Wars is better than six of the movies.

>>88828225
>TCW
>Disney show

Oddly enough TCW improved tenfold once Lucas got more involved. And after he quit and they moved to Rebels the show got bad.

I'm not saying he's a good director but his impact on morale must've made some difference.

>>88828685
it is tho

>>88831383
Quit spreading miss information.

>>88831430
Rebels is shit = True

tcw originally didn't air in chronological order and was pretty crap for the first 2 seasons imo. Clones were really fucking dumb, there wasn't as much violence etc, it just felt like merchanidise pandering for the most part, but watchable. Season 3 onwards had way better production values, really developed the clones as characters, had top tier space battles and redeemed a lot of the shit lucas came up with in the prequels, even jar-jar was bearable by the end of it. The fight scenes were amazing and for the most part the lore was good, but some shit really pissed me off like Savage O'press existing and having such a fucking ridiculous name, grievous being such a jobber, pretty much every padme focused episode and the majority of droid episodes

it was a really satisfying wild ride that made me sad to finish. I felt like TCW's greatest strength was in the clones themselves, they went from literal CGI copy + paste to being unique and tragic protagonists that I cared about more than any jedi/sith force magic drama. Make sure you watch it in chronological order imo.

Rebels has had some great moments after a shaky start but suffers greatly under the watch of the mouse. Nowhere near as much on screen violence as TCW, lots of "stand out in the open because stormtroopers have bad aim lmao", shitty comic relief that isn't very good. When rebels is good though, it's really good, but it will never fill the hole TCW left behind.

So I want to get into the Star Wars cartoons, is the 2003 series worth watching? Is it canon?

>>88828189
The Clone Wars is surprisingly, shockingly good. All the low points are early on, grin and bear it.

Rebels is fun too. Bit more cartoony in a bad way, but not actually bad. Lower your expectations if you watch this after The Clone Wars (you sure shouldn't watch it first, they're connected.)

2003 Clone Wars is short and sweet. Interesting little thing. As for the 80's cartoons, I'm not sure.

>>88831852
>chronological order
No, that's a stupid idea. It's not meant to be watched that way.

>>88831912
>is the 2003 series worth watching? Is it canon?
Yes. No.

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>>88831852
Season 2's underrated. The Geonosis Arc is one of the best in the series.

Even Season 1 had some good episodes though, Rookies is great.

>>88831944
?_? nigga it was meant to air that way but there were fuckups. There's arcs in season 1 and and 2 with absolutely no conclusion so a new story starts and you have no idea wtf happened in the last one. That clone origin episode where they show the training on kimino maybe, but the rest of the out of order stuff like that one emerald planet and such just made things really confusing to keep up with

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>>88828189

Obligatory pic related for The Clone Wars.

The movie is neither good nor necessary. Some people would tell you to find a chronological order but it works fine as an anthology. Some arcs are better than others, but overall pretty good.

The troopers were the best/most interesting thing to come about because of the prequel trilogy. Who the fuck cares about the jedi/sith shit, let's have more shows/games about the troopers.

>>88831962
that was in season 2? Completely forgot desu, I loved that arc. Was Rookies the episode where there was some random raid in a buttfuck nowhere clone outpost? That was cool. S1&2 did have high points for sure, but it certainly felt like a bigger grind to get to the good stuff, a lot more shitty humor and "wtf are you doing senpai those are plasma blast you should be getting to cover" moments, you could really feel the lower budget and younger target audience imo.

>>88832001
have you played republic commando anon? That shit needs a sequel or remake, it was great

>>88831967
whilst chrono order makes some arcs more cohesive I felt that the quality between episodes could be seriously mish mash because of the constant jump between seasons
where as watching in production order you get a greater appreciation for the gradual yet constant rise in quality season to season

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>>88832010
it hurts
We were going to get a sequel called imperial commandos, but supposedly it was scraped and turned into force unleashed

>>88828189

TCW is great and really what Star Wars should have been. Star Wars always seemed to work better as a TV show as opposed to a movie because Lucas likes pumping out ideas and worldbuilding, which is limited by movies.

Rebels is iffy, it has good parts, usually the first episode or two, the mid-season finales, and the actual season finales but it can really drop the ball because of the Mouse. They rarely show characters dying, when you think a character is gonna get some development, they backpedal because MUH STATUS QUO.

>>88832031
>ywn know what happened to Sev
Why even live?

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This arc was so fucking good. Watching it I was like "is you really going there" and OH did they go there

>>88831991
No mention of season six, the canon comics or the unfinished episodes? Weird

>>88832070
>Starts out with a clone shooting a Jedi child in the back

I remember rewinding that part over and over.

>>88832070
The mission...the nightmares...they're finally...over... ;_;

>>88832071
that guide's been around for ages and no-ones bothered to update it since

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>>88831329
Maybe that's why it was so good?

>>88832071
Their killing of Ventress and her mom seemed really undignified. I mean, what the fuck, they exterminated their entire race, that's fucked up beyond belief.

>>88832128
The Clone Wars was never aired by Disney and it was on Cartoon Network until it's cancellation.

While Rebels is ok, at times, it has never reached TCW levels of greatness. Which sucks, you just now the writers want to do more but Disney won't let them.

>>88831430
He's right though.
Lucas pumped nearly a million dollars into each episode of TCW after season 2, and it showed.
He's a shitty director and a shitty writer, but he's rich, and that's about the only thing he's good for.

>>88832359
>He's a shitty director and a shitty writer
>tv
>r/lm

>>88832911
Stay in your thread autist.

Clone Wars > The Clone Wars >> Rebels

no one can argue with this

>>88833661
Go back to your containment board.

>>88833710
I don't have one because we're in the majority and you know this.

>>88833754
If you start samefaging and spamming , sure.

>>88833778
Paranoia as well as autism. I feel for your parents.

>>88831430
He's not wrong.
Lucas was the one in control and had the final say in everything for TCW. Not to mention how he was the one funding the entire thing whether it was making money or not.

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I've watched all of the 2d clone wars, it great.
I watched a lot of the 3d one but I probably fell off near end of season 3.
Haven't watched rebels, but it looks ok.

>>88832911
Lucas is a phenomenal producer, and a terrible writer, and a mixed bag as a director, though more good than bad.

Lucas is absolutely brilliant in a lot of aspects of directing, but there is some stuff he's bad at, a huge part of which is working with actors. The dude has absolutely no idea how to work with actors or get good performances out of them. When that's combined with his shitty, horrible horrible writing, it has a huge negative impact.

TCW was more or less perfect for Lucas. His producing is fantastic, and he has just the right amount of distance from the writing and actors. Close enough to impact story and set pieces and general arcs, but not having to deal with dialog, pacing, or anything like that, and being kept as far away from the actors as possible.

>>88831389
What? No, it's not. It's great. Excellent, even, but it's not canon.

>>88832141
Talzin isn't Ventress's mom.

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>>88833754
FYI, more people like the PT than OT.
So no, Anon, it is you who is the minority. Time to do some soul searching.

>>88835601
Source?

>>88835654
>Date of tweet right there in picture
https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/708777308262301696

>>88835679
That's not a source though, that's just some guy talking.
Where's the data?

>>88835601
That's not surprising. Anyone who says they like the prequels is likely to get an earful from purists sperging out so they just keep it to themselves.

>>88835679
>some guy on twitter said it, so its true

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>>88835728
>>88835754
>some guy
He's one of the head honchos at Lucasfilm.
Are you really so butthurt at the thought of being wrong that you're just going to dismiss him?

>>88835778
>Are you really so butthurt at the thought of being wrong that you're just going to dismiss him?
All he's doing is promoting something that, if it sells well, will get him paid more. Why should I believe what he says?

So where is his source for this claim?

>>88835829
He gets paid whether the PT or the OT sells. They're both Star Wars. There is no ulterior motive. You'd have to ask him how he came to that conclusion. He's likely citing merchandise sales.

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I just started Rebels and the animation is so fucking bad I literally cannot. I heard that as studios build their item library the animation gets better, is that true?

Can I skip like the first season if that's the case because moving from Season 6 of the Clone Wars to this is just frightening.

>>88835829
He tweeted that 11 years after the prequels had all come out, he gets money when either trilogy does well. If anything, it would make more sense to promote the OT since that's what Disney's pushing.

>>88831991
Is there a version of this for Rebels yet?

>>88836025
>>88835886
So where is his source for his claim?

>>88828189
Clone wars is great, actually made the separatists a threat unlike the prequels.

The Clone Wars is a mixed bag some episodes are bad, but some are god tier.

Rebels is garbage I dropped it in season 2. The characters are pure annoyance made for little kids.

>>88836064
Anon made the claim that the majority of people think Lucas is a hack. I provided a reliable source that counters that argument.
Now where's your source of the original claim?

>>88836179
>I provided a reliable source that counters that argument.
You provided something with the exact same amount of evidence as him, which is to say none.
Neither of you have any basis for your arguments beyond "I/he says so"

>>88836179
Not that anon but I think a lot of fans think he's a hack, either because thats what the most vocal fans think or because the prequels is full of some seriously piss poor writing, Normies I can see enjoying the sceptical of the Prequels more.

The last scene of RO though is the shit though for me. Right up there with Empire.

>>88836237
>Pablo's word carries the same wait as an anonymous shitposter.
If the thought of people liking the PT more than the OT bothers you so much than you really should fuck off back to your containment board.

>>88836274
So where is the source for his claim?

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>>88835728
>just some guy

>>88828189
Better than the new movies and the prequels IMO.

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>>88832070
>the mission of our dreams...
WITNESS MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>88832359
>>88832911
>>88836237
>>88836260
George is a god tier producer and his founding of Industrial Light and Magic has advanced the modern film industry and created more useful film-making processes and tools far more than most people realize.

>>88836292
You'd have to ask him. Pablo is well-respected among fans as he himself was a dedicated fan before joining the company. I promise you he loves and knows more about Star Wars than you or I ever will and his word is good enough for most fans, and I mean actual fans, not casuals.
If it's not good enough for you than ask him how he came to that conclusion. He's very responsive to fan questions.
No one's trying to dupe you.

>>88836581
and he's a shitty director and writer.

>>88836292
The source is called an Expert Witness. Courts use them all the time as evidence. They'll call on physicians for medical input or programmers for computer related questions and their answers are good enough based sheerly on their credentials.
So unless you have hard evidence or another expert witness to discredit Pablo, then Pablo's claim stands firm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert_witness

>>88836739
His claim is based on nothing,m an expert witness is called to give further explanation to an existing piece of evidence or as someone who actually made or participated in the testing of evidence. Neither of which have been presented. If he gave this testimony in court, I would be free to ask where his data is from, as I'm asking you, or however many of you there are. If none can be presented then there's little reason to trust anything he says.

This is someone making a claim about something with nothing to back it up, just like the other anon.

>>88828189
Honestly, I never found either of them very engaging. I never liked many of the characters. I found Ahsoka annoying, along with the majority of the Jedi. Ezra and the Ghost people aren't any better either, and their show is made worse by simply being a lot cheaper and taking far fewer risks in their story telling.

If you're a real big fan of star wars then you could watch it, but if you were you'd probably go to /swco/ and already be watching it anyway.

>>88836876
The difference is Pablo has no reason to lie while the other guy is a /tv/poster.
Anyone with a modicum of reason knows whose word carries more weight and until I see hard evidence against or someone of equal Star Wars insider knowledge as Pablo that contradicts him, his expert opinion wins this argument.
If you still disagree than I have nothing more to add.

>>88837021
So where is the evidence for his claim?

>>88836606
Pretty much, yes, and plenty of people who worked with him agree on that. He wanted Yoda to be a monkey and hated the puppet.

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This could have been a good thread, but then the /swco/ autists showed up in force.

>>88837123
Doesn't change that he's a good enough producer though.

>>88828189
Clone wars was hit or miss. Either just ok, or really really good, with some bad/annoying in there too. It definitely did get better near the end os season three and onward though.

Rebels would be good if it didn't pull so many punches. They do things that should have consequences and then the consequences get "kid's show"ed away. Still often pretty good though

>>88837159
>/tv/ places blame squarely on /swco/ for the autism
It takes two to tango, friendo.

>>88837220
>everything wrong with our thread is because of /tv/
>there's no chance that the regulars are fucking retarded or that i'm an autist

This is why I stopped going in that cesspool.

>>88837257
>everything wrong with our thread is because of /swco/
>there's no chance that the regulars are fucking retarded or that i'm an autist

This is why I stopped going in that cesspool.

See what I did there?

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>>88831991
This is a better guide

*** is essential

** is semi-essential

* is non-essential

>>88836048
It would be pointless to make one. Rebels isn't set up the same way as TCW. It's not a bunch of individual story arcs, it's an ongoing story. Stuff that appears in one episode will eventually return later on.

>>88837437
I see what you were trying to do, but it falls flat because it's a fucking fallacy.

>>88831962
>Space Nam
It was cool

>>88837521
Geonosis was D-Day.
Umbara was Vietnam.

>>88831962
>Good thing those bugs can't aim
>Boom

>>88835601
Not that guy, but popularity =/= quality. Internationally, many countries never got an "official" release of the OT until after the PT, it stands to reason that normies would prefer the one with more flashy effects and lightsaber twirling than the less effects driven originals.

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>>88832911
Kys prequelfag

Lucas is only good for being a producer. He can craft ideas but he needs smarter people around him to refine those ideas into something good. That's basically how New Hope became a hit. Seriously go look up Lucas's original ideas for Star Wars and then try to tell me he should be let anywhere near a keyboard and camera.

>>88840214
Who refined his ideas on A New Hope?

>>88831852
Grievous is a canon jobber, fucking deal with it

>>88841092
Literally everyone involved. He didn't have total control back then and constantly had to work around budget constraints. His wife even edited the film.

Google the story about the production of that movie.

>>88828189
The one that Genndy did is awesome an ties together Episodes I and II perfectly.

The other Clone Wars cartoon (the CGI one) was too childish and full of clichés at first but then it turned out pretty cool.

Rebels too but, although it did developed a better plot, I just hated the outcome of the Vader v. Asokha fight.

>>88831389
Sadly not anymore

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>>88837521
>>88837561
>it's a "Jedi Colonel Kurtz slaughters his own men by way of Space-gooks, man-eating plants, friendly fire, and personal lightsaber" arc

Jesus christ, Umbara was fucking brutal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6QC_oPLVFs

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>>88841191
>>88841216
>>88841303
>when you teach the kids the wonders of state-sponsored terrorism and proxywars using the magic of Star Wars

>>88841889
>212st

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>>88841968
It's great.

>>88841191
>>88841216
>>88841303
>Freedom Fighters
I bet in 20 years when the Empire came and called them Terrorists

>>88832304
>and it was on Cartoon Network until it's cancellation
Season Six was Netflix, but if it makes you feel better they already knew it was ending.

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>>88837869
The show was brutal to the clones. A nameless clone would be giving the droids hell, being a badass, and then some random droid just shoots him in the face. The end. Move to the next shot.
The show definitely made you feel for the canon fodder.

>>88842200
That's kind of what happened to Saw, he's deemed too extreme by the rest of the rebels

Can't speak for Rebels but Clone Wars around season 3 starts to get good.

Like really fucking good and it only gets better.

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>>88842209
ONE TENDS... TO LOSE... ONE'S... MIND...

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>>88842333
The CIS should have just leveled every city on Onderon.

>>88841889
Ive not seen the series past the first season, but holy hell that was intense.

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>>88841968
>When Darth Vader himself advocated during the Clone War for the creation of an insurgencey that would become one of the founding force of the Rebel Alliance that destroyed the Empire
>Fucking Onderon anti-seperatists helped destroy the Empire

>>88842881
It's like Charlie Wilson and Ronald Regan with the Mujahadeen slowly turning into the Taliban, holy kek.

Only Tartakovsky's 2003 Clone Wars.

It's also part of the objectively superior Legends canon and not the Disney shit that the cgi Clone Wars and Rebels is.

>>88842211
>That giant eel grabbing the rookie clone and disappearing into a hole while the clone is screaming in pain and horror.

I remember they said 'hell' a few times in TCW as early as S1. I remember rewinding Rookies a few times to make sure I heard correctly.
What a ballsy show.

TCW was great. It was slow and tried to play it safe in the first 2 seasons, but it turns around once they stop making Ashoka such a fucking drag to deal with.

They did an amazing job humanizing soldiers who all looked the same though, that was pretty impressive.

The droids were fucking hilarious at times too. Really drove home how stupid they were.

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>>88844489
>it's a "ventress goes around french kissing clones while impaling them" episode

Good soldiers follow orders

Good soldiers follow orders

Good soldiers follow orders

>>88846621
stob it ;_;

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>>88842211
>>88837869
>>88844489
>>88846621
>all those shots of the destroyed transport ships in S5 and the suffocated clone corpses their faces frozen solid in horror, floating around in space
>pong krell ordering the two battalions of clones to attack one another and then slaughtering them when they refuse to do so
>grievous constantly just meat-grinding random clones with his foot-claws
>queen geonosian hijacking clone corpses with her buttworms and using them to infiltrate the republic ships
>shark guy during the mon-calamari arc just fucking biting scuba-clones in half
>clones being drowned by CIS squid-bots during the battle of Kamino
>clones getting their throats slit by vibroblades in the middle of the night by CIS commando droids
>any manner of horrifying alien beast just sowing up on every planet they land on and ripping clones apart
>clones getting ripped to shreds by space-hyenas, chopped in half, shot, electrocuted, blown up, and dunked in lava during the Jedi Prison Planet escape arc

being a clone is suffering

>>88846952
>being a clone is suffering

And then the Jedi show up to take all the credit.

>>88847412
Jedi and clones were complete bros. Most of the clones probably became super depressed after coming out of their trance and realizing what happened. That and the country they fought for was replaced and told them all to fuck off despite their lifetime service.

>>88828189
they are literally the best things in the star wars universe

>>88831610
shut up faggot

>>88847665
>despite their lifetime service.
The Clone War was like, two years long.

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>>88831389
Not after (((((DISNEY))))) took over.

>>88847695
the cleansing of the EU was a LSG thing before the deal went through.

>>88847690
And the clones are 10 years old and have been training to be soldiers since they came out of their tubes.
So yes, lifetime service.

>>88847690
Clones mature quickly

>>88847665
Sad part is Order 66 completely stole their old memories of their past friendships, any good times with their Jedi. Well, maybe not completely stole. Kanan's clone buddies couldn't remember ever being friends or loyal with Caleb Dume or Depa Billaba until one of them broke through the control.

Or maybe his chip was defective and it hadn't completely erased his memories.

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Watch out for that vicious bounty hunter Boba Fett, Luke. Did I ever tell you I fought his dad? He was hired to assassinate a senator your father and I were guarding. We kept bringing her around open windows and public areas in order to draw the would-be assassin out because we knew he had too much pride to just shoot her from long range. He had used his payment to hire another bounty hunter to kill the senator for him while he sent us on a wild bantha chase. Also the 2nd assassin used her payment to buy a robot to assassinate the senator for her. Did I mention the 2nd assassin was a shapeshifter? She could have been a good friend in disguise and just shot the senator for all we knew! Then the robot used its payment to buy poisonous bugs to release into the senator's room while she slept after lasering a hole through the window. It could have just lasered her too after that because we we weren't watching her at all, but it already bought the bugs. So we sense the hostile life forms (not the robot) in the room and rush in and save the senator in the nick of time! Then I jumped out the window to chase the robot back to its owner! Luckily it didn't have a self-destruct function. Then we found the 2nd assassin, chased her across the planet, and caught her when she tried to kill us instead of shapeshifting and escaping. But to our surprise, Jango was watching the whole thing instead of going to kill the senator while we were away chasing the bugs chasing the robot chasing the shapeshifter. He shot her with a poisonous dart instead of sniper blaster, and only her instead of shooting all of us or blowing all of us with a rocket or something, then he escaped with his tiny jetpack. Luckily for the senator, my good friend Dexterr Jettster owned a 50s dinner on Courscant that had Republic secrets on the menu along with cheeseburgers and malt shakes. We found the assassin and Mace Window killed him later, right in front of Boba. And he was a good friend. Boba is a bad friend.

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>>88848974

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>>88849049
And Kanan will never know that at the last moment one of his old friends made it right, gave up his own life and his still brainwashed brothers just to save him. He'll hate and despise clones until he finally meets Rex, and even then it took a lot of effort.

>>88849013
Haha, pretty sure they have the wrong person saying, "The fools are turning."

>>88849202
Or he's just acting normal so they don't suspect him.

>>88849249
Nah, he can't be talking. His mouth isn't even moving!

Wah wah waahhhhh.