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Do you prefer Venom as a villain or an anti-hero?

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Do you prefer Venom as a villain or an anti-hero?
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>>88819579
Hero
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>>88819579
Hero. Flash was the best host since Eddie.
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Lethal protector Venom.
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>>88819738
Just looks like he's wearing armor with a painted symbiote symbol. Lame IMO
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>>88819738
Hell yeah
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I prefer Venom as a villain who became an anti-hero

Nothing against Flashfags, but he could be anybody....coulda been Toxin, coulda been a brand new symbiote, it wouldn't have changed a thing.
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>>88819835
Story time?
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>>88819579
Villain. Eddie pre-Maximum Carnage is still one of the best villains Pete has ever had.
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Crazy that does both roles depending on the day and might eat brains
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>>88819579
I'm fine with either so long as it's Brock and his twisted sense of "justice" remains in place.
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Anti-hero.
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An asshole
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>>88821406
The brain eating thing was always dumb. It was better when he only killed when he twistedly believed it to be necessary, like the policeman he suffocated to death in a church.
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I'm okay with both
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On the left
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How you ever made a Symbiote OC?
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>>88824702
No but I'm writing a fan fic
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Which heroes (within or outside Marvel) do you think would benefit the most out of having a symbiote?
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>>88819579
as Eddie Brock.

>>88824702
Yes
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>>88825155
>>88824879
Post it
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>>88825023
Him
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>>88825171
No

http://anonkun.com/stories/symbiote-quest-20/nLFhaigrSfd8Kdqfr/home
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>>88825171
I uh never drew him.
It was a long time ago, what I remember is that the body was black with red eyes and a red emblem on the chest.. a random pattern resembling the spider. He didn't have the white squares on his hands but would shoot web the same way as Brock did.
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>>88821513
I love that the substance he actually needs from brains can also be found in adequate amounts in chocolate.
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Hero, I'd like to see more symbiotes though.
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>>88825254
:D
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>>88825254
>anonkun
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>>88819835
This.
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>>88826553
Could be worst

Could be Space battles
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>>88819579
villain

angry yandere space goo ex-GF shacks up with ripped jerk that obsessively hates you is great villain material
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>>88826553
qst is ded board
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>>88827100
Ya but Anonkun?
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>>88819579
villian all the way but I want a Jekyll/Hyde deal where the host gets controlled by the suit. Drives me nuts how little that was ever used in the suits whole run considering that was a big thing when Peter had it was it just body snatch him in the night and did as it pleased.
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Here's a better question, how powerful would the Joker be with the Carnage symbiote?
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>>88827177

I hate looking at pastebins and qst was dead when I started
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>>88819835
Pretty much. Flash Venom is horrendously overrated. Lethal Protector Venom is pure '90s cheese and thus way more enjoyable.
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>>88819579
Anti-Hero.

But if we're talking Flash then Hero.
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>>88819579
are we talking about 'Venom' or the Black Symbiote?
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>>88819579
are prefer the symbiote with Peter. Making him ditch it was an out-of-charater mistake.
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>>88827720
Skyfather, at the very least. No really.
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>>88830242
depends how canon the bad vibes are to the writer in question
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Obsessed with Peter "biggus dickus" Parker. No one else is good enough.
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>>88819579
Does Villain to Waifu count?
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Host rating time

1. Eddie
2. Flash/ Mac
4. Peter
5. The girls
6. What Ifs
7. New Edge guy
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>>88830433
1. Peter
2. Everyone else
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>>88821406
>>88821513
I thought he only ate brains in one arc? The rest of the time, he just threatened to
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>>88823984
>cropping this
You lewd fucker.
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>>88827720
This wouldn't work because Carnage despises Joker for his overly elaborate schemes.

It was in that Batman/Spider-Man book.
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>Tfw the symbiote collective on earth will never obsessively stalk Peter because he's the all-father
>he gave Venom his power template, thus all derivatives and spawn from venom down are spider-themed
>there'll never be a story arc dealing with this nonsense
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>>88830441
You. I like you
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>>88830939
>friends with Carnage

This just gave me a really stupid idea.
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>>88820944
>wouldn't have changed a thing.
I disagree. Pretty much the entire first half of Flash Venom revolves around the symbiote having this huge rap sheet.It's done some damn horrible things. Flash thinks its an absolute monster which he justifies using because it lets him be Spider-Man. Flash absolutely wants the sybmiote to remain drugged beyond coherent thought because it did so much to hurt Spider-Man. The symbiote wants to corrupt Flash first to escape from the drugs and second to turn him into a more pliable host so it can go back to hurting Spider-Man.
and then, at the apex of their toxic codependency, they start to genuinely look out for each other. because not only did the stars align but so did the desire in Flash to be a hero with the tiny sliver still in the symbiote to protect the innocent.

I'm romantisizing a little, but while you could still do 'a' Agent Venom story with a different symbiote, it would not be the same story. Carnage has never wanted to help people (Axis notwithstanding), Toxin doesn't have the rap sheet, and not any other existing symbiote nor any OC would fit that same way either because the history just wouldn't be there and ham fistededly forcing such a history into the gaps of continuity would fall flat
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>>88821406
>>88821513
>>88830939
Why does he have large carnivorous teeth?
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>>88825023
My list of interesting choices:
mystique.
hulk.
antman
the human torch.
rouge
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>>88831370
>rouge
IP discarded
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>>88831385
and?
would still be interesting. would she gain anything from absorbing the symbiot's life force? any weird memories?
the hulk would be hilarious because the symbiot would have to just go along for the ride instead.
mystique in a skintight symbiot is good enough, the shapeshifting only makes it better.
antman would be terrifying as a shrunken murderous asshole with too much strength for his own good.
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>>88831437
I suspect he's taking issue with the typo
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>>88830963
Cletus and Carnage aren't the same being, although Cletus is insane to consider himself just that.
Carnage the symbiote doesn't care and just wants nummy adrenaline to eat.
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>>88819579
Nonexistent.
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>>88831499
Imagine if Carnage managed to bond to an Extreme Sports hobbyist.
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>>88825254
>we are toxin
>SKREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

kek fucking 10/10
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>>88830939
Wait
Spawn?
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>>88830381
Bring her so she can team up with Brock.
>Sym-duo
Muh dick!
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>>88830381
That's his wife right? Whatever happened to her?
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>>88833214
I think it's a joke
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>>88835888
didn't she get turned black?
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>>88819579
What if Steve-o was The Venom?
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>>88819738

A-Anon, I'm so sorry...
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>>88823984
Source?
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>>88819579
I miss 80's - 90's Venom
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>>88819579
Eddie Brock, Venom, Lethal Protector
Not specifically that story line, but back in that era, all the way back to when he wanted to protect the newly resurrected Parkers from Peter.
Mac Gargan and Flash Thompson can eat shit.
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I want more symbiote babes.
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>>88835311
>>88819579
>>88837549
Oh right, I forgot. Eddie's ex-wife is totally allowed to be Venom whenever she wants so I can break the world masturbation record.
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>>88836801
I thought she died
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Why hasn't Mary Jane become Venom yet?
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>>88837867
GB2 the DeviantArt cringe thread, where this trash belongs.
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>>88831670
I swear I had a piece from a drawfag of carnage jumping a motocross over some sharks
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>>88838008
Oh, I have that
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>>88838082
Muh nigga from anudda migga
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>>88819738
I don't see the point in taking what was the evil Spider-guy and turning him into gun wielding armored guy that rarely if ever does any spider things. They could have just given him armor with a big spider painted on it and called it a day. Virtually nothing else about the guy would need to change.
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>>88827720
He would job to Batman ten times faster.

All of a sudden Batman only needs to pull out his tiny Bat-Sonic noise making device every time Joker appears and he is left writhing on the ground in agony.
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>>88837527
I mostly liked late 80's Big evil Spiderman Venom. By the mid 90's when he was a drooling giant monster with teeth and drool everywhere and had the mentality of a retarded child I stopped liking the character.

I think he works more as the top personal villain for Spider-Man who knows who he is and goes after his family most often.
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>>88836801
She was originally. Fixed for the trades
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>>88838181

Well honestly by this point there was not much that could be done woth Venom. The time as Gargan was a time of just generic villany, Eddie was preaching the word of the lord as Anti-Venom, and Venm-Gargan already shared the symbiote villain spot with Carnage. Turning Venom into a full blown hero was a breath of fresh ar

As for the new design, I always took it as a fusion of all Flash was: a Spider-Man fanboy hence the mask and spider, and a soldier hence the tacticool armor. Also, when the armor has those spikes and buff shoulderpads, it kinda gives me a small impression of a Football player, like it's made for a lethal charge at full speed.
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>>88831499
Carnage and Cletus are as close to one being that any other symbiote in the Marvel U is. They have bonded on the cellular level, and they don't refer to themselves as "we".
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>>88838640

Yeah, Venom was perfect symbiosis while Carnage was downright fusion.

On the other end, Toxin was the most independant symbiote, with simply no interest to mentally bond with his first host, therefore being unaware of what went in his mind. Of course then the Blackheart incident happened and he ended bonding with Eddie, and I guess the revenge issues in both of them put them in synch and they bonded to Venom levels without realizing it, like a begrudging pair of allies who want to kill eachother but end up hatefucking instead.
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>>88826538
>>88832417
Danke
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>>88830939
I don't remember mortimer
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>>88824702
Maybe?

Character: http://kiekan88.deviantart.com/art/Crimson-42914354

Fic link: https://mega.nz/#!ospXFZoJ!mvxDJZOoyB9rV7W207vWIrt5KPi6gPxk0-pYEWKf_dM
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>>88821288
I did that a while back. Didn't seem like there was too much interest.

Part 1 - https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/88582753/#88588864

Part 2 - https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/88602092/

Part 3 - https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/88611776/#q88611776
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>>88827720
With or without the Dark Hold's influence?

>>88830242
The Symbiote isn't Big Head's mask.
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>>88835888
She died back in ASM vol 2. She had a mental breakdown after being bonded to the symbiote twice and threw herself out of her apartment window.
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>>88830985
I want a what if about the Symbiote originally latching onto someone else and copying their powers and equipment instead.
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>>88838777
This reminds me. In universe have far back did the Blackheart thing take place and how far back was Toxin's mini?
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>>88837867
She did. Along with a few other models.

It happened in the Spider-Man and Power Pack AU series.
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>>88819835
>stronger thn spiderman
>could literally wreck his shit hard
>was his own guy
>didnt have retarded level of weakness, such as getting fucked by a lighter
it was good
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>>88841466

Yeah, I really dislike the fire weakness. It really makes countering him stupidly easy. Sonic weakness should have been all.
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>>88841549
Im still mad over the sinister six humiliating him with a lighter.
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>>88841466
Yeah, he just needs a church bell to go off anywhere near him instead... is that why he went to California?
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>>88841644
I remember it being because he already lived there and that it was far from NY.
I could be wrong, since I read it when it came out and I was a kid.
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>>88841642
>sinister six

Wut? That was Pete, anon.
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>>88831159
You sound like a faggot.
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>>88819579
Venom was actually at his best before his first official story.

He had so much promise in those little cameos leading into his debut. When he was a hand pushing Peter in front of a train, or cutting his webbing whilst unseen, or haunting MJ.

Venom as a character was legit scary. He was faster than Pete, stronger with tougher webbing, he could camouflage into whatever clothes he wants, he could go undetected by Spider-sense and he knew EVERYTHING about Parker's life. He was the ultimate in nightmare stalkers and could be the biggest personal threat to Pete.

Sadly they threw all that out the window in his second ever appearance and he's had only a handful of decent stories since. Carnage has completely overshadowed him. Cletus has so many worthwhile stories by comparison.
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>>88831159
>Pretty much the entire first half of Flash Venom revolves around the symbiote having this huge rap sheet.It's done some damn horrible things. Flash thinks its an absolute monster which he justifies using because it lets him be Spider-Man.

You didn't actually read Remender's run, did you?
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>>88831159
>The symbiote wants to corrupt Flash first to escape from the drugs and second to turn him into a more pliable host so it can go back to hurting Spider-Man.

This literally never happened. Nor is ever even suggested. Literally, what the fuck are you even talking about?
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>>88841895
did Byrne or Mackie write this?
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>>88841895
thats retarded
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>>88842067

>Carnage has completely overshadowed him. Cletus has so many worthwhile stories by comparison.

HE ATE THE FUCKING CHILDREN
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>>88842366
Mackie did, I believe.
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>>88825254
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>>88841895

There was an earlier scene where the Sinister Six humiliated him with a campfire.
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>>88843739
Uh-huh and >>88841642 said they used a lighter.

Lighter =/= camp fire
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>>88838323
You have a point with the personal arch nemesis thing.
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>>88840941
Thanks for sharing.
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Venom is a shit character
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>>88841407
those crossovers were fun but also make me very sad because they came out when one more day was going to happen
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>>88842530
and what did venom do in comparison?
nothing
that's why he is overshadowed
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>>88841407
this is my fetish
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>>88847097
Then why are you here?
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>>88848104
Just came here to say that because he really is a shit character isnt he when compared to the likes of Green Goblin or Doc Ock
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>>88819579
>metaphor for a bad ex girlfriend
>being anything but a villian
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Can anyone recommend some Flash-Venom runs? I'd like to look into it.
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>>88848264
Dock Ock is a shit character, Gobby I'll give you though he is the best Spider-Man villain but if it wasn't obvious enough, Venom as in Brock doesn't really fit in that same class of character considering he had a face turn and became a good guy, he's more comparable to the Punisher or something
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How would it react to a magic user? Would it absorb magic?
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>>88849750
Define "magic", it's been bonded to Red Hulk while simultaneously bonded with the spirit of vengeance
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>>88819835
this by far

taktikool period is just horrid
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>>88850010
Mystic stuff
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>>88819738
>has powers
>uses a gun
??????
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>>88855150
Firearms have something called range and depending on the weapon in question, can reach a target faster than his powers would allow him to get to. Also this being Marvel he can use super science rounds giving him more shit he can't do with the symbiote.
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>>88855150
>>88855210
Also he's an ex soldier and government agent. Having a gun is either required for the job pr reccomended based on skillset. Also other ex military types that get powers use guns after. Im pretty sure even fucking red hulk has dome that
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>>88819579
With those teeth and that tongue? Villain all the way.
Otherwise, it's just a waste of the design.
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>>88849185
>Dock Ock is a shit character
woah my dude, i like venom but lets not start saying things we cant take back
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>>88855150
the power to use many guns
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>>88855150
To shoot you with when he can't rip your face off
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>>88855150
>>88855556
Flash was pretty stupid, it limited the creative potential for venom, but I'd say it was entertaining to see him use it the way he did. They were both so mentally deranged at the time of their pairing, that his gradual climb to hero really felt nice. And then be dished to show up with his galactic defender bullshit, where every symbiote somehow already looks like variants of spiderman.
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>>88855900
Bendis*
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>>88855334
The process of him becoming a 'hero' is what's endearing. His murderous rage-boner for Peter transforming him into a savior of sorts from the menace known as Spider-Man was charming.

And then the Maddness happened and Eddie went a little crazy, but his heart was in the right place I tell ya.
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>>88856098
He murdered Hybrid
Fuck scream but not my nigga Hybrid
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>>88830381

Venom is better as a girl
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>>88856403
This is objectively Wrong
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>>88856403

Yandere space goo bonds with jilted ex (MJ, Felicia, Carlie, recently re-animated Gwen take your pick).

Venom as psycho stalker ex who veers between wanting Pete and wanting to eat his brain. It practically writes itself.
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>>88856403
eddie with tits is shit and you are the dog feltching hitler rapist of quirindi rsl for thinking to the contrary
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>>88856529
Maybe...

Or maybe Eddie without tits is the one thats shit.
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>>88849750
>Would it absorb magic?
No.
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>>88855210
>Firearms have something called range

You realize there are many ranged powersets, right?
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>>88856519
>Carlie

Why would anyone actually want this? Does Carlie even have fans?
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>>88856781
Just two, Slott and Quesada
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Thoughts on Anti-Venom?
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>>88856717
Literally Death by snu-snu
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Bagley still draws the best Venom
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>>88859629
The best thing to ever happen to Brock.
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>>88859629
>>88864283
I don't even understand Anti-Venom....Brock somehow the symbiote turned Brocks blood into a symbiote itself because it bonded with cancer cells? I really don't get it
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>>88841046
With.
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>>88866187
Nope. There were still traces of the venom symbiote left in his body while he had cancer, and when Mr. Negative used his powers to cure his cancer, they had a side effect on the remains of the symbiote and merged it with his antibodies, creating a fake symbiote that was more of an extension of his body
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