So, what was the fucking point of this death?

>>88815328
Nothing.
Like all of CWII.

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>>88815328
What was the point of Superman's Death?
Of Batman's?
Or Captain America's?

To generate a little bit of drama, bump sales, maybe fug aroud with some weird legacy characters. That's what Big Two character death means.

>>88815328
To give Clint some forced drama for his new ongoing which will probably last less than 10 issues. Ditto for She-Hulk err I mean "Hulk".

>>88815363
>What was the point of Superman's Death?
>Of Batman's?
>Or Captain America's?
Technically, none of them died...

>>88815397
So you think Banner will be dead 12 months down the road?
Please.
He'll be up and dicking around in comics before Thor: Ragnarok, if not sooner. He's a Hulk, they don't die.

>>88815363
>To generate a little bit of drama,

Which got undercut by the unexplained reappearance of Doc Samson. And even more so later on with the future vision of the Old Man Logan timeline.

>bump sales,

That did get accomplished. On the other hand there was absolutely no demand for that issue on the back issue market like with Superman's death or Captain America's death. It was like people only talked about it for a few days and moved on.

>maybe fug aroud with some weird legacy characters.

But they already had Cho as Hulk before Civil War II even started.

>>88815415
Idk dude. They way Marvel has been lateley, they'll probably just have a Thor CHulk team up.

Why is Banner strongest there is, borderline literally invincible, and all the other hulk's are just generic bruisers?

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>>88815410
>And even more so later on with the future vision of the Old Man Logan timeline.


>He takes future vision stories seriously
>He takes X-MEN future vision stories seriously.

Is this a thread full of 10 yr olds?

Hulk was expendable since Marvel doesn't have absolute control over his movie license. It's also the reason Namor isn't mentioned to be added to the MCU. His movies don't sell, so they just need him for the big events. Once Infinity War starts, they'll bring him back.

>>88815433
Why does Batman get to beat up Darkseid but none of his legacy wards?

>>88815433
Isn't it because the others still retain their higher brain functions? Like Savage Hulk is just pure power.

>>88815444
Hulk co-stars in the next Thor movie, this very year.

>>88815468
Because he's the goddamn Batman.

>>88815328
What would happen after this if Batman and some other DC (not kill no matter what) characters were in Marvel?

>>88815442
You mong, the point is that its inclusion negated any drama Banner's "death" would have and vice versa. Either the vision comes true (which it won't, but Bendis deliberately wrote it to make it sound like it was coming true) and it means Hulk isn't dead, negating the drama from Banner's death....... Or Banner stays dead (which won't happen) and it negates any point of including Old Man Logan as a future timeline.

>>88815420
>And even more so later on with the future vision of the Old Man Logan timeline.
And then the last issue also had a future vision of Age of Ultron with both Wolverine and Hulk in it.

If anyone clever was involved they would say that Clint and Bruce's plan was to fake his death and the Anti-Hulk arrow was meant to sent him to the Microverse where he keeps his normal mind when he turns into The Hulk.

>>88815328
Shitting on Clint character, setting him as a pariah between his mates for a while.

Letting HydraCap be seem as scheming for his event.

And giving Cho something for what grief.

>>88815378
Hey, I liked the first two issues of OA: classic short cape story, easy to read. I hope it lasts at least 12# issues.

>>88815328
Well at this point, it seem to be to give Jen ANGST.

Why does every think Bruce will comeback this year?

>>88815468

Are you referring to BnR where he used a suit forged by the rest of the Justice League and he managed to almost tickle him? It also nearly killed Batman.

I certainly hope that's not what you're talking about.

A FUCKING HULK ARROW

>>88815328
To prove Bendis is a hack, but didn't work, they still hire him

I thought Banner hadn't been Hulk for a fucking while, why kill him? It's like you go and kill Isaiah because Captain America is going to do something bad in the future

>>88815328
To demonstrate that Carol makes terrible decisions and Clint has terrible arrow discipline.

>>88815363
The characters in CW2 are so unlikable that it's impossible to generate drama and bump sales. Kamala is actually tanking in the sales because she was dragged into this mess.

Why did they even make a Civil War 2?

>>88816978
Because there was a Captain America: Civil War film out.

>>88816267
Because he's Hulk aka the strongest there is.

They'll dig up his grave because Jen is having visions or some shit linked to her increased hulk aggro and it'll be empty. They'll trial Bruce back to one of his old underground labs and it'll turn out it was all planned so he could escape the world or some shit.

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>>88816267
there was mention of a mummy or bandage hulk

>Cho gets his own ongoing, Champions, and now he's busy ruining GR too
Did Doc Green depower Lyra? Why isn't she getting any play? Especially since Jen is currently going by just Hulk so we don't have a She Hulk right now.

>>88815328
He ain't totally awesome enough.

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>>88817185
wasn't she still in that hell dimension? the one she conquered and turned into her own females in power queendom.

and with lyra her hulk form was her normal form, the only reason she had a human form later was because of banner making a device that allowed her to assume a human form.

>>88815328
An illustration of how preventive justce can go too far and lead to death of an innocent.

>>88815328
Uneccisary drama to artificially heighten the stakes.

>>88815328
>epic super event! Hulk dead! Buy now so you can say you saw it happen here!

>>88815328
You know, if I was a superhero in the Marvel universe...I think I would just quit. Look at this moment. Look at it right here. This is, what, the eightieth hero vs. hero event since Civil War? The civilians cheered on the woman whose incompetence led to two other heroes dying and one of the oldest and longest standing heroes on the planet getting put into a coma. And for what? A program that, if used incorrectly, would have people arrested for crimes they didn't even do yet based on the word of a man who was proven to be capable of being wrong. Hell, we might already have one supervillain in training right now who came about only because of Carol's actions. And yet the people cheer her on. Yay dead Hulk, yay predicative justice, YAAS QUEEN SLAY!

If I were a hero there, I would quit. What is the point in this universe anymore? Who are you protecting? Who is even a hero anymore? These aren't flawed characters doing the right thing. They're assholes. They're all assholes. This is all Marvel is now. The company of incompetents or assholes.

>>88817421
Does Marvel even use their villains anymore?

>>88817421
She's a woman though. That makes her more rational and right than those dumb, brute WHITE men.

>>88817453
Yes, the vast majority of stories are still about heroes fighting villains. It's just that hero vs hero stories tend to be events and thus attract more attention.
At least the next event will be heroes vs giant monsters.

>>88817421
If I ever get into writing for comics, at this point even if Marvel gave me a writing job with no strings attached, I'd refuse it out of personal principle.

I refuse to work in a company that has no creative integrity anymore, unless it involves niche books given to writers so they'll be out of the way of Bendis' mentally-disabled shit-scribblings whenever the bimonthly event comes around.

>>88817453
I think if there had been a single storyline throughout Civil War 2 headed by a single villain it might have helped out a great deal. Not to say I wanted it to be like this story, but remember DC's Armageddon 2001? Some hero was going to turn into a universal tyrant and the other heroes had to figure out who it was going to be in order to change the future. If they had established that there was one big thing everything was building towards, headed by an actual villain and possibly involving some other hero that they had to figure out who it would be from the visions, that would have been a better story. Instead we just had eight issues of people bitch about whether arresting someone for a crime they didn't commit yet based on the predictions of a guy who was shown to be wrong sometimes was a good idea or not.

No. Turns out, no. Simple answer. What the fuck was the point of the rest of the story? Like, even Civil War I had a point to both arguments and no simple yes or no. You could argue how both sides were implementing their ideas, but each side did have a valid point. And I think this might be the worst thing about Civil War II. It leaves me saying that Civil War I wasn't that bad. That is some fuck right there.

>>88817421
No offense, but you sound like those whiny liberals that said they would leave the country if Trump was elected and ave lost faither in the American people because of it.

>>88817647
Give me one hero worth standing next to in Marvel right now. One. Just one. Spider-Man? Sold his wife to the devil. Cap? Hydra-Nazi, and he way overstepped his boundaries in both Civil War I and AVX. Cyclops? Lets just completely throw out all the mutant and Inhuman teams as the Inhumans won't let the world deal with their giant poison gas cloud and the X-Men have been acting like such whiny bitches for the past few years that they kinda deserve whatever happens to them now.

I'm really, honestly trying to think of someone who could actually be called a hero in the Marvel universe right now. All they have are amoral psychopaths or poorly written whiny SJW bullcrap characters. Even Kamala, my last bastion of thinking Marvel could actually come up with new and decent and fun characters has been ruined by this Civil War bullshit. So if there is anything worth saving from Marvel right now, please, tell me what it is. I would love to hear about it.

>>88815415
That's now what that anon was saying anyway but you just had to sperg out.

>>88817812
>poorly written whiny SJW bullcrap characters
So just because they hold progressive views that means they can't be heroes?

>>88817812
Spidey is pretty much the only pure bearted hero left. I just pretend OMD never happened since he wasn't even acting in character anyway

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>>88815378
I haven't been keeping up with this, She-Hulk hasn't assumed Hulk's name, has she?

>>88817874
No, you generalizing fuck, it's because they're characters not written as characters with problems or personalities, they're written as soapboxes for the writers to prop themselves up on, for their shitty beliefs.

Imagine how you'd feel if Green Arrow, as a character with an established canon of being a pro-Socialist superhero, suddenly began to dress in KKK robes and spouted racist rhetoric.

>>88817959
>Imagine how you'd feel if Green Arrow, as a character with an established canon of being a pro-Socialist superhero, suddenly began to dress in KKK robes and spouted racist rhetoric.
Sam Wilson has always been a lefty, I can't think of any "liberal" character in Marvel that wasn't always like that or a new character.

>>88817951
She hasn't in universe. But her ongoing is simply titled Hulk because currently the trauma she's going through is causing her to have classic Hulk anger induced uncontrollable transformations, rather than her totally voluntary and in control she hulk transformations.

>>88817453
No, Marvel Villains are busy trying to run semi-legit businesses to fund their plans for world domination. Many of them are just standing back and watch the Marvel Heroes kill themselves in petty squabbles.

>>88817812
>Spider-Man? Sold his wife to the devil.
She was literally more involved in the deal than he was

>>88818054

Same anon as >>88817959. Sam Wilson's alright with me, and I like him as a liberal-leaning character, I just wish that his Cap book wasn't derailed by Bendis events every two months. Same with the other Marvel legacies. I don't dislike the characters, nor do I dislike most of the executions, but it feels like we really only have the solo series as breaks between events.

I really can't think of anything remarkable about his run because he hasn't done much to stand out. Then again... Same with Bucky when he was Cap. Good character, it makes sense that he and Sam became Cap at different points, but there never are any good moments to cement their characters.

>>88817874
Fuck no. Ollie Queen is great as Green Arrow. Cap, when written right, is old school Roosevelt Democrat. Hell, the X-Men are basically a stand in for minorities fighting to get the basic human respect they deserve.

But let us look at current Marvel. Carol Danvers is proclaimed to be the greatest hero in the Marvel Universe, despite the fact that most of the hero community hates her, her entire tactic during Civil War II was wrong and her own book's sales are consistently terrible. Jane Foster Thor...literally, tell me what this character is without using the words "female" or "cancer." What differentiates her from actual Thor? And we still don't even know why the real Thor is unworthy! What makes Jane worthy other than "Is woman, has cancer?" Its weird that, other than the main character, the rest of the current Thor book is pretty good. While on the subject of Thor stuff, look at what they did with Angela. It was a pretty interesting idea, however *UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ABOUT ISRAEL.*

Mockingbird? Terribly written, and apparently I'm supposed to talk about tampons? Also, Phantom Rider wasn't a rapist but it was still okay for him to be murdered? Squirrel Girl? Have you seen that art? Hellcat? Again, have you seen that art? Iceman's gay, but he didn't want to tell anyone, but hey, reading minds and forcing secrets out is okay if you mean well! Nevermind that it goes against decades worth of internal monologues from the character himself, we're being progressive here! And we have two completely flawless young teen black female geniuses taking over the roles of straight white male characters. TWO! At once! And don't even get me started on Miles Morales, or as I like to call him, NoCharacter McVenomBlast.

You want good diversity characters? Good liberal characters? Not to turn this into a company war thing, but look at DC. Batwoman. Apollo and Midnighter. Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz. Jaime Reyes. The entirety of the Milestone lineup. Those are good.

>>88818146
>tfw the Red Skull looks more and more right every week

>>88817812
And then Spider Man got his wife back in Renew Your Vows because he remember all the mind blowing sex he had with Mary Jane

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>>88818175
>tfw tie in team up bullshit is ruining Marvel's only good remaining ethnic teen hero

am I the only one who thinks this iteration of ghost Rider would look good with some really minor horns growing from the skull?

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>>88817812
>I'm really, honestly trying to think of someone who could actually be called a hero in the Marvel universe right now.
Deadpool?

>>88818175
My headcanon's that Jean Grey just really wants a gay friend so she can faghag it up. Like -really- wants a gay bestie no matter what.

If they wanted Bobby to be LGBT, making him a bisexual who really just wants a good romantic relationship would be a good move, but that'd make gays and lesbians shriek about him being "fake gay" and straight people would be just as weirded out.

Miles would be SO great, if Bendis had the brains to actually make Miles stand out instead of just getting the leftovers of Ult Peter's supporting cast.

And, yeah. I really don't get why SJWtards shriek about DC being racist. Steel. Amazing Man. El Diablo. Fire from Fire/Ice. Bloodwynd. Mr. Terrific. DC has had tons of fantastic minority heroes, they just don't treat minority characters as check marks on a list, or -FORCE- people to like them, like Marvel's been doing.

>>88817874
The heroes of the Marvel Universe can be progressive, it's just that very few of them fit in with SJW. Captain America is supposed to be Theodore Roosevelt imagined as a superhero, the X Men fit better with the Civil Rights Era.

>>88818274
I like to think that DC has an awesome super science department which allows minorities to enroll and improve themselves along with their community.

>>88815328
If you've read the Hulk comics over the past few years there's like 3 different ways for Banner to get out of that and it's already printed and ready to point to, like the time they used Stark's Extremis to fix Banner.

And yes, everything's screwed up. Characters are replaced by brand new characters. They could have at least declared that they were on vacation. But I guess that you have to really convincingly fake your death if you want to hit the beach, when you're a Marvel property (or employee.) They're probably relaxing at an Xavier-owned beach house.

>>88818175

>Batwoman

So you just want more minority rip-offs of established characters, whose defining character trait is either their gender, color, or sexuality?

>>88817812
>I'm really, honestly trying to think of someone who could actually be called a hero in the Marvel universe right now.
I vote Moon Kight! He's the only rational choice! You know things have gotten out of control when it's down to Dr Strange, Namor, or Moon Knight for "most heroic current character".
Select all images with sushi.

>>88818274
Here's one big difference between Marvel and DC. When Kamala was first being brought out I remember the fanfare. Everyone was talking about her. Oh, here was a teen hero GIRL character! And a MUSLIM character! A teen GIRL MUSLIM! She's the most MUSLIMY MUSLIM to ever MUSLIM! Isn't she progressive and cool and hip?! She writes fanfic and is quirky and MUSLIM! Please love me daddy! I swear to God, I almost never gave her a chance just because of how obnoxious their marketing was. Shockingly, she was a good character, but most of that I think comes from her writer actually being a Muslim and just writing her like a normal person because to her being Muslim was just a part of life and not a huge deal.

Now look at Simon Baz. A Muslim Green Lantern whose family was directly affected by 9/11. I think I read, maybe, one article about him. DC didn't go out honking like seals trying to do tricks like Marvel did. They just let the guy and his story speak for itself. They let the character sell the character. And it worked. In fact, I don't think I've read a single article about how Earth's two official Green Lanterns right now are a Muslim man and a Hispanic woman, but I bet I could find articles in the double digits talking about how progressive the Champions lineup is.

And that's the point. Marvel doesn't write stories. They make progressive characters because they want PC Good Boy Points. And when they do actually try to tell stories, like with Civil War II where they seem utterly and truly confused as to why nobody likes their main character, you can see that they are truly crap at it.

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How long did it take to get a new Watcher up and running?

I didn't read the arc. This picture just reeked of thoughtless tryharding.

>>88818531
If you read Batwoman and only come away with the fact that she is a lesbian, then I don't think you read her book correctly.

But let's say it is a bad book. Let's say I agree with your evaluation of the character. Still, compare it with Mockinbird or Thor or Angela or Hellcat or Squirrel Girl and tell me it still isn't lightyears ahead of any one of them.

>>88818670
They got Original Nick Fury chained up on the moon being the watcher. They also got The Orb wandering around in a magic taxi cab watching all the bad things that happen. It sounds like one of those horror comics like the EC comic's Cryptkeeper or Elvira or something. If they ever do that I think it'd be pretty good. A comic with 4 or 5 short stories with a bloody ending. Throw in a Marvel Zombies story for good measure.

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>>88817421
This.

The only heroes worth fighting with in Marvel right now are either those battling crime on a small scale like Kamala, or those that have been kicked out of the official Avengers-approved superfriends club, like Cyclops.

Shit, I would legitimately rather be on the same team as Magneto than Carol or Cap or whoever.

I would be absolutely livid at the notion that Carol can just get away with throwing one of Earth's mightiest heroes into a coma in the pursuit of some Orwellian nightmare she really liked the sound of. Hell, I'd probably end up sparking another stupid hero vs hero event in my attempt to murder her on my way out of the circus. CAROL WAR! Coming soon, the next big event that will strain tensions and break friendships but not really because we don't actually want any real consequences for anything!

In a few years something completely unrelated will occur, sparking CAROL WARS 2. It won't even have Carol in it, it'll just be called that because the first event sold well to retards.

>>88818779
Fuck man. Now I want Robbie to fight The Orb while the two stand on top of their cars neck in neck.

>>88817453
What villains? All of Marvel's villains are right: Magneto, Doom, even guys like Galactus are forces of nature beyond morality.

For the really bad dudes like Ultron and shit, it looks like the best way to beat them is more Hero v hero shit, like the time Wolvering killed Pym to stop Ultron or whatever

>>88818670
Here's something that always bothered me about this story. Why did the Watcher's eyes have all that information? Wouldn't it be in his brain? Yeah, the eyes saw it, but still, they're just eyes. Its like saying you need the information that a camera saw, so you steal the lens.

>>88817812
Daredevil
Moon Knight
Ghost Rider
Miles Spider-Man
Doctor Strange

And Marvel has always been about fucked up people trying to be heroic.

>>88819049
These aren't just fucked up people trying to be heroic anymore. Spider-Man, when he first started, was an angry teen who lashed out at every chance he got because of all the abuse he had suffered combined with the new power he had. He was flawed, but you could see he was still trying to do the right thing.

This year? That same character literally was on the side of someone who wanted to lock people up because of someone saying that they might do something awful in the future. They stayed on that side after watching the ill effects of such a philosophy caused a longstanding hero to murder another one in cold blood. That isn't just being a flawed hero. That is stupidity at best, callous ignorance of the consequences of your actions at worst.

Also, I like how all the comics you listed have super small fan bases. So basically, your only hope as a Marvel hero is being so small time that Marvel doesn't even care about you and, through their ignorance, allows you to be good. So. Good. Great. What's the fucking point then?

To show Mark Ruffalo he's replaceable

>>88818175
>Batwoman
>Apollo
>Simon Baz
Batwoman's rarely been good, Apollo is the blandest Not-Superman in existence, and Baz was generally considered the worst Green Lantern until Rebirth.
The best diverse/legacy characters are the ones that actually offer something new. Kamala, Robbie Reyes, Chulk; they're infinitely better than Jane or Miles because they stand on their own as characters.

>>88818274
>Steel. Amazing Man. El Diablo. Fire from Fire/Ice. Bloodwynd. Mr. Terrific.
When were any of them last actually relevant, though?

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>>88819274
>actually offer something new. Kamala, Robbie Reyes, Chulk

>>88819299
>implying all those Marvel minorities are relevant at all

>>88819300
Aside from the name Robbie has nothing in common with Danny or Johnny, and he's been refreshingly responsible and independent for a teen hero.

>>88819314
They're in comics. Maybe not good or interesting comics, but you don't get to say how great and diverse DC is by naming a bunch of characters that haven't been seen since Rebirth.

>>88818716

I never said her book was bad, vastly overrated by lezfags yes, but the art was incredible and made it worth reading. If it weren't for her homosexuality and the Bat-symbol on her chest nobody would give two shits about the character.

>>88815328
Oh no, they killed Chuck!

>>88819336
Pity that the writing and the art suck so much.

>>88819343
>if they're in comics, they're relevant
Starting 2017 with a dumb argument, huh?

I've noticed less and less fanfare/outrage from the fan communities regarding character deaths over the last 2+ decades.

When a character died in the 60's, 70's or even 80's fans were shocked, outraged, saddened but most importantly (from an industry perspective) they were reacting! Good or bad they were buying comics to see where things were going.

After the gimmick Superman death, the (literal) bus load of young mutants and flagrant Titan murders...I just don't care anymore.

Remember when Marvel killed off their oldest comic character in a pointless attention grab for Squadron Supreme #1? I don't remember any significant outrage over Namor's unceremonious death. Then the book failed and Namor showed up again anyway...again without any significant fanfare.

If the creators don't care then why should I? Hulk will be back, Thor will be worthy, Cap will defeat Hydra, Iron Man will wake up, etc. Hopefully these stupid pleas for attention will continue to return lesser and lesser rewards...maybe then they'll try to write captivating stories, rather than gimmicky deaths/pallet swaps/genital roulette

>>88819943
Will deaths in the big two ever be more meaningful than Uncle Ben, or Captain Marvel? Can they not resist the urge to use them as cheap tricks to boost sales for an issue or two, and bring them back almost immediately?

How long before they bring back Mettle? They haven't yet, have they? Don't get me wrong, not saying his death was meaningful at all. Just curious.

>>88815328
Bendis wanted to make a #BlackLivesMatter analogy. Banner would be the unarmed black person who is shot by a cop (Hawkeye) without doing anything really wrong. Bendis and his fans think he's being socially aware or something and in their minds you're probably a racist if you think that's stupid. That's pretty much it, I think.

>>88820072
Unfortunately, it seems the older the character the quicker they're brought back. Since Mettle was created when these writers were already adults they simply don't care about him.

Eventually, some new writer will come along, consolidate power, and then resurrect all of their favorite dead characters...while killing a new generation of characters introduced between 2020 - 2030.

>>88819183
There're still heroic individuals out there in the Marvel Universe that do their best to not fuck up things more. It's just they're B to D listers. Say, for example, Iron FIst and Power Man, the people in Champions, the people in New Avengers, the people even in Uncanny Avengers, the New Warriors, wherever they are, and FalconCap, I think (I don't read that book).

In any case, it's interesting to see how a neutral or law good characters fuck ups stuff of goes neutral or even evil for a given reason, for a long time of period with lasting consequences. I'm a hawkeye fan and I'm starting to like the opportunities for good stories that his current status could bring in the right hands, with an actual editorial plan for him. A pity it probably isn't going to go anywhere.

>>88815328
1: post previous page

2: 4th panel shows lower chest shot from behind. wtf? Thought it was a head shot.

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Is there any way Marvel can get better in 2017?

Clearly, the events over the last 5 years were the worst we've ever had.

>>88820211
It makes me sad that this is a thing that happens. To be fair, I don't think Mettle should have been killed, or at least not in the way he was, and in the book it happened in. Why can't they just write good stories with real stakes? I don't know, I guess I really just want most cape books to be more like Astro City.

>>88820157
A man that, when angered, turns into a viscous monster (and has been responsible for a slew of criminal acts) is executed by an authority figure. Said execution is based on a very valid concern that they were about to commit a crime yet again and the authority figure is found not guilty...

Is Bendis a secret Trump supporter or just an incompetent hack?

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>>88815328
Not sure why you had such a hard time finding it OP.

>>88815328
> What was the point in Wanda going cray cray?
> What was the point in Hawkeye becoming a ninja?
> What was the point in She-Hulk dying but not dying?
> What was the point in Tony dying but not dying?

Because Bendis.

>>88820362
>Is Bendis a secret Trump supporter

Considering that Bendis tweeted something like; 'What am I going to tell my black daughter why the people of this country voted in a racist" I don't think he's a fan.

>>88820467
> Bendis is a leftist ruining Marvel.
> Ike is a rightist ruining Marvel.

There's a lesson in there somewhere...

>>88815328

>She Hulk is hurt. Doctors aren't experts on gamma radiation and we can't find Banner.
>Ulysses Has a Vision
>Everyone appears outside of Banner's lab to witness him die.

>>88815433

I thought Chohulk was stronger?

>>88820542
Oh man, I forgot how much this sucked. I don't think anyone even informed Banner that his cousin was in such a bad shape. This is after the doctors were pleading with them to find Banner pronto. Also, that whole notifying kin thing.

>>88820467
Ah...so he's just incompetent then

>>88817226
She's still stuck in 616 after getting "saved", but she wants to go back.

>>88817453
Yes, but only when they need a Trump parody.

>>88820908
Lyra should have been in GR, not Cho.

>>88822006
What are you talking about?

>>88823453
A joke backup issue of Spider-Gwen or something had trump turned into a MODOK or something and now /pol/ tries to pretend that every villain is a trump parody now.

>>88818228
Apart from Silk I love this new Fantastic Four

>>88817421
you sound like a bitch

>>88823652
There's also Red Skull and Serpent Society.

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>>88815328
Oh! That's what got your knickers in a bunch? Some random death? How am I the only one flabbergasted that Ulysses had a vision about a 50 foot naked hulk flipping the FUCK out!

OF FUCKING COURSE THIS PIC IS RELATED

>>88815328
To push Chulk for the SJWs. But now Chulk is replaced by Shulk.

>>88815475
I don't care how strong you are, your foot stomping temper tantrum will not split the planet in half. Unless Hulk is hooked into the speed force. Then it's a given. All things are possible with speed force. Barry could take a piss using the speed force and cut through Darkseid like tissue paper.

>>88816978
Because every year they trot out an 'event' in an attempt to bump sales for lower-selling crossover titles that are 'vital' to the story. It worked once back in the 80's, so they do it every year now.

>>88817226
Thor: "Still, I am a Warrior God! So come, Hulk, I shall use my hammer to take us to somewhere without innocent people! Limbo, perhaps! There to determine once and fo all which of us is better!"

>>88817589
Ah, but next year's 'event' is how Ulysses was Loki! Huh? Huh? Exciting!

>>88824950
That could be Amadeus.

>>88816324

Maybe Final Crisis where batman straight up shot Darkseid

>>88818894
>even guys like Galactus are forces of nature beyond morality.

Galactus murders people by the bliilions. He commits nothing short of pure, outright GENOCIDE. And he does it CONSTANTLY.

This fits well within the confines of morality. This is the textbook definition of pure, undiluted EVIL Galactus knowingly and willfully ends innocent life on a scale that vastly eclipses Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao COMBINED thousands of times over.

WHat Galactus does IS a moral issue. They really need to get a coalition of star fleets and cosmic characters and hunt down Galactus and end his threat once and for all

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>>88818228
I kind of see your point, anon.

>>88819183
>This year? That same character literally was on the side of someone who wanted to lock people up because of someone saying that they might do something awful in the future. They stayed on that side after watching the ill effects of such a philosophy caused a longstanding hero to murder another one in cold blood. That isn't just being a flawed hero. That is stupidity at best, callous ignorance of the consequences of your actions at worst.

And what if they let the guy go and he DOES do exactly what he was prophesied to do, huh? Im sure your moral posturing will bring great comfort to all those the guy harmed

Youre in a position to stop evil before it starts. Then you stop evil before it starts. The needs of the many ALWAYS outweigh the needs of the one.

>>88820467
>Considering that Bendis tweeted something like; 'What am I going to tell my black daughter why the people of this country voted in a racist" I don't think he's a fan.

But that literally didn't happen.

>>88820615
Stronger like Abomination is stronger, i.e. baseline. But Banner still has speedforce-level potential strength.

I am surprised they never had Banner get so pissed off he punched off the LT's hood.

>>88825626
Anon please, that argument was already debunked in Minority Report.

Also, I thought that Banner turns into the Hulk at any point of injury? Or was that just a thing in the movies? (Banner stating that he tried to kill himself but the Hulk ate the bullet)

>>88824950

If his wang can still be obscured by his shadow, he's not all that "Incredible" as he would like to think

>>88825941

Minority Report was shit. Any "Debunking" made in it is invalid.

>>88825536
>I don't read comics: the post

He was a necessary aspect of the inverse and was destined to play a key role in it's life cycle. He played his role just as much as Death plays hers, yet you aren't going full retard and asking for Death to be eliminated because DEATH MAKE ME SAD! :'''(

>>88825941
Banner literally couldn't turn into the Hulk when Clint killed him.

>>88826224
Galactus played a key role in the OLD universe. This is 616-8 baby, and Abraxas has been removed from existence for over a decade

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>>88817421
>You know, if I was a superhero in the Marvel universe...I think I would just quit.

Good idea, get out before Jean turns you gay.

>>88817647

I find I mostly agree with the villian monologues when I read Marvel.

>>88818175

Yeah, the current state of Marvel is pretty sad.

>You want good diversity characters?

Can't have that when you place minority characters on a pedestal soley for being a minority.

Good liberal characters?

Can't have that when a liberal viewpoint is epoused as being completely and utterly correct and everyone who thinks otherwise is literally Hydra.

>>88815397
death of supes was actuall fun to read. This is shit/.

>>88823863
I liked it better when it was RULK 23, Flash, and alejandra. Though Robbie is the only trade up we got from this.


Alejandra was a massive femenist bitch who looked like an idiot half the time.

>>88826024
He's fully erect in the most awkward way, I think I would opted for the Liefeld appraoch and covered it wiha rock or had Jan'es corpse covering it in the forground.

>>88827138
I do love me some Rulk and Flash Venom. But I've been a big fan of Cho since his Hercules days, so I like this new team as well.

>>88815415
he's already alive in uncanny avengers, he wasn't even dead a month

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>>88827092
>death of supes was actuall fun to read

>>88827200
What? No. He was resurrected by the Hand for a bit, and then Voodoo laid his soul to rest. He's still dead.

>>88818924
now that you mention it

>>88817453
>Does Marvel even use their villains anymore?

Practically all of the mutant X-villains are X-men now. Magneto, Sabretooth, Mystique, Emma Frost, Apocalypse... all X-men.

>>88815363
>What was the point of Superman's Death?
>Of Batman's?
>Or Captain America's?

All of these actually led to a very good and interesting temporary status quo changes with solid writing behind them, in Superman's case even lead directly to the creation of several iconic new characters. And had rather significant ramifications in-universe.

Hulk dying literally has lead one, ((((ONE)))) good story, and that was in a tie-in focusing on what happened BEFORE the death.

>>88827312
Don't you be talking shit about Evan. He isn't Apocalypse, he's a good boy.

>>88815433

Because the original always trumps imitators.

>>88825535
A palsy-stricken infant could destroy New York by sitting on a nuclear launch switch. That's the weapon doing the talking, not Bruce's strength.

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>>88827227
>I posted le laughing anime so that means I win!
Do regale us with your favorite stories, anon.

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>>88825711
Except it did and he hates Trump. I expect a Trump type villain sometime soon.

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>>88818175
>I just want white people who just HAPPEN to be a different colour/gender/sexuality

Or maybe characters like Miles and Kamala aren't meant for you? Don't get me wrong Miles is a borefest under Bendis because Bendis can't write for shit more often than not but Miles is more than just black Spider-Man and Kamala is more than just Muslim Captain Marvel.

Their cast, their decisions, their stories are more than just what /co/ says when they look at comic book covers and see:

Written by:
Drawn by:
Inked by:
Edited by:

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>>88824950
I still don't understand why Americans don't draw bulges on their males characters but have them basically naked in skintight suits.

Also the swearing. I read a comic recently where the Beast Boy called Robin (Batman's child) a bastard but I thought that was a swear word but then you've got some comics censoring the word asshole but not ass and bitch is ok but shit isn't?

Like Ben Grimm (The Thing) says "Poop and giggles" that took me out of the comic immediately. No one says that.

>>88827671
>I expect a Trump type villain sometime soon.
MODAAK?

>>88827756
You don't have to censor bastard if you're using it for its proper definition, silly.

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>>88818819
>The only heroes worth fighting with in Marvel right now are either those battling crime on a small scale like Kamala, or those that have been kicked out of the official Avengers-approved superfriends club, like Cyclops.

Are you telling me right now that Beta Ray Bill isn't the greatest hero in both classic and Modern Marvel?

>>88817421

Is this what led Captain Manhattan to leave his world and make the Nu52?

>>88827911
no that was Reagan getting elected

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>>88826914

Why is Jean so r00d

>>88827671
>they let you do it

look, I like how it is affecting she hulk,if it makes her as stong at hulk temporality and more monstrous, I am all for it. I could do with out the grey tho.

>>88817421
I know people say this here a lot and I know that it means fuck all to you all and more importantly this may even get some of you angry but I am so close to being done with comics because of shit like this.

It's not even the fact that it's a woman or that it's a push because her movie is coming out or any of that immediate response shit. Because at the end of the day, not everything in comics is meant for me but when you have people literally LITERALLY causing fuck ups this bad and being hailed as the heroest of all heroes simply because your writers can't write themselves out of a paper bag it just does damage to the medium that can't recover.

I just don't care anymore because Marvel doesn't care anymore. Like, I think to myself, does it really matter if I miss a few months of comics? If I just spent that time studying or practising my skills or crafts am I better off? What am I mean to do with this above average knowledge of these characters? I'm trying to start a podcast but a part of me just doesn't want to even talk about comics anymore because it'll just be me cynically dissecting what's wrong with the medium today and no one wants to hear someone whinge for 20 minutes.

I'm just so exhausted of events and writers who just don't care and want a paycheck to write their fan fiction.

I read Hulk this past week and Infamous Iron Man and I liked those, they took all of five minutes to read and it felt like real entertainment but the insurmountable pile of shit that surrounds it is just unimaginable. For every Hulk there are books like Hellcat or Mockingbird or Thor....

I don't fucking know you guys. Maybe this new year should be the year I just read one comic book a week on the leisure time I have at the 9-5 because this is getting me nowhere. Sorry for the blog post. It's late and I'm just unloading.

>>88815328
bye incredible hulk, hello TOTALLY AWESOME HULK!!!!1!!1 LOLXDXXDXXDDD

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>>88818819

I can at least somewhat sympathize with Cap because he's literally going insane over the world he lives in, and he started as the liberalist of the liberal you can scrape out of the 40s. Now they replaced him with Captain Socialism; he really should have been left for dead and let Falcon be Falcon, because Marvel has no will to do anything with him anymore but make him a fucking srawman.

>>88817812
Kill yourself you fucking retard

>>88817589
>Like, even Civil War I had a point to both arguments and no simple yes or no. You could argue how both sides were implementing their ideas, but each side did have a valid point.

Yeah but it was never in practice an even split, even in the core book it very quickly became apparent that they were favoring one side of the argument more, to a point where the ending and that infamous Sally Floyd page with Cap was a fucking joke that everybody complained about.

The sole reason to kill Hulk is that Bendis wanted to kill Peter Parker off and was banned from doing so due to Dan Slott openly opposing the idea.

So Bendis killed Hulk as he was the only big name hero not currently in use due to Amadeus Cho currently being Hulk.

>>88828073
Do you even read the comic?

>>88818257

Oh boy wouldn't that be something; the bar actually falling so low that Deadpool unchanged would be the closest thing left to a cape.

>>88827851
>Implying any hero can live up to Bill's legend
That's not being fair, anon.

>>88828070
I know it's tough being a Marvel fan, but one company's bullshit is no reason to give up on the entire medium. I mean, if you feel your time is better spent doing something else that's fine, but don't let Marvel burn you out on comics altogether.

Branch out, read older stuff from Marvel's heyday, other genres, other companies. Change it up a bit so you can look at their current crop with fresher eyes instead of seeing it as an unavoidable slog.

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>>88820406

You're alright anon.

>>88819943
>>88820072

Well, Professor X is still surprisingly dead, but we all should wait and see ResurrXion if that'll still be the case. He may very well be the last meaningful death in the big two. Him and Jean Grey, but Jean's death was soiled by her past self being brought to the present.

>>88817094
dis

>>88828155
>The sole reason to kill Hulk is that Bendis wanted to kill Peter Parker off and was banned from doing so due to Dan Slott openly opposing the idea.
no he wanted to make peter that bad guy in this and make him have the Tony stark ending.

>>88831252
People give Slott way too much credit. If Bendis got away with that he would have been responsible for killing a third series. Even marvel isn't that stupid. If only just.

>>88815328
To cement the fact that a Chinese teenager is the new Hulk now

So are Peter, Hank, Cho, and T'Challa Earth's front line of defense against science threats with Pym, Reed, Tony, and Bruce removed from play?

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>>88817421
>Who is even a hero anymore?
Some other anons already pointed that out, but still.
ONLY THE HORSESSSSS, WILL SAVE US TONIGHTTTTTTT

>>88831343
No that's the whole point of the Ultimates. It's Carol, Blue Marvel, Monica, T'Challa, and America, along with Galactus.

>>88818054
Sam Wilson has always been a NOTHING because his characterization and origins have been a clusterfuck of bad writing and retcons since day fucking one.

>>88817505
Well, too bad for you. My name is Brian Michael Bendis and, after reading this thread, I've seen the error of my ways. Thanks /co/, you did it! I just got off the phone with my best buddy, Joey Q, who was about to offer you a job as a writer for the All-New All-Different Uncanny Champions! It's a pity you don't want the work.

Whoever will we get now?

>>88831554
>Carol
Not a genius
>Blue Marvel
Fucking who?
>Monica
Not a genius
>T'Challa
I said him
>America
Not a genius and fucking who?
>along with Galactus.
No

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>>88818175
>The entirety of the Milestone lineup
None of these characters have had an ongoing series in like 20 years and you would have complained about SJW bullshit on every issue of Static, Icon, or Hardware.

>>88815328
>what was the point
It's at the end of the shaft

>>88818924
Windows to the soul.

>>88831642
>>Blue Marvel
>Fucking who?
Come on, he's amazing. Competing with Kamala for best new Marvel character of the last decade.

>>88820542
I completely forgot about the fact that Ulysses had vision of the Hulk going crazy and killing all the superheroes so Carol comes up with the genius idea of gathering all the superheroes right next to the Hulk.

Like...you ever think there were possibly two ways to avoid this scenario you crazy bitch? Sure, you could stop the Hulk, but you could also stop the other superheroes too. If Iron Man isn't there to die, Iron Man doesn't die.

How the fuck is Bendis a paid writer at Marvel? A three year old could see the massive plot holes coming from this story.

>>88827992
>Because you're rich

The big problem was the fact that he could get away with it.

>>88825626
There are two things wrong with that argument. 1) Ulysses can be wrong. Woman with the briefcase proves that. She literally did nothing wrong. She was not a Hydra agent. But because of Carol's heavy handed tactics, she's well on her way to being a villain now. Which brings us point number two. 2) Perhaps, maybe, some of these prophecies might be self fulfilling. Hulk might kill a bunch of superheroes? Let's gather a bunch of superheroes to fight him! A teen Spider-Man might kill Captain America? Better ostracize the fuck out of him so that he goes rogue! Also, why would he kill Cap? Did anyone ever think that, in a hero vs. hero situation, maybe Cap might be the bad guy there? Maybe we should check what Cap is doing? The answer, of course, is no, because this event is a poorly written piece of garbage.

>>88831772
>they let you do it
>it's crazy

>>88828128
Like I said, I don't want to defend Civil War I, but still, its better than this shit. They both might have been poorly written and horribly implemented hero vs hero dog shit, but at least the first one was poorly written and horribly implemented hero vs hero dog shit with a valid point to it.

>>88831772
I mean he literally did. He's president now.

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>>88817812
>Give me one hero worth standing next to in Marvel right now.
Robbie Reyes
when his book doesnt get taken over by the Champions, you see that hes just a guy trying to improve his neigbourhood and do good by his little brother
a guy possesed by his satanic unle is literally the only real hero left in marvel right now

>>88827671
>>88827992
>>88831772

but it is true
ask any man with money
women brag to their female friends that "I fugged that really rich guy! I am amazing now?"

the same way they use makeup to impress other women and not men

>>88831806
>2) Perhaps, maybe, some of these prophecies might be self fulfilling.

They were already self-fulfilling, and self-fulfilling instances will only become more common the longer Ulysses lives, due to how his power works.

He's constantly absorbing all information on Earth and charting the most likely future based on that. In the beginning, when he was unknown, this was fine. But now his very presence and the system Carol was building around him skews the information that he's collecting. His powers have to take into account his own impact on the world's future, which means he will invariably start producing tons of self-fulfilling prophecies.

>>88825626
>>88826137
>Minority Report was shit.

Wew, what a plebeian opinion. Minority Report the film was dragged down by some meh acting, but K. Dick's novel The Minority Report is great, and makes a valid point.

You can't criminalize someone for something they haven't done, or don't even know they're going to do. Because they haven't fucking committed a crime yet.

Stepping in to prevent the crime from happening would be a good idea, and can take many forms, but putting someone in jail before they've even encountered the conditions that lead to them committing a crime is ridiculous.

>>88826137
Still better than its ripoff CWII

>>88831772
You dont have many friends, do you ?

Hulk is a lame character. Nobody miss him

>>88816655
>Kamala is actually tanking in the sales because she was dragged into this mess.
i really hope marvel is smart enough to realize her sales plummeted because of civil war and dont go trying to fix problems that dont exist

>>88827992
But of course. Women love it when a strong man takes advantage of them, but they flip their shit because they don't want to admit it

>>88815328
Banner needed to have his Stand power activated.