Songbird thread? Storytiming some comics with focus on Mel.

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Sorry, using the old scans since I have yet to download Thunderbolts Classic

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>>88787650

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>>88787792
Life Sentences next

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>>88787896
RIP Genis, gone too soon

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>>88788096
Anyone reading? Please respond

A short break then Thunderbolts #59 next

Songbird a cute

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>>88788272
Indeed

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>>88788336

I play Songbird/Diamondback face-down in attack mode

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>>88788351
>revealing your face down card
C'mon son

>>88788351
I think S/D is more in a DB mood these days

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>>88787811

Remember when Thunderbolts one-shots could sell 40k? Cause this one did.

>>88788444
What's with her neck?!

>>88788452
Blame modern Marvel and focus on the MCU.

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>>88788297

This 'Nuff Said issue was very good and also fit perfectly after the rest of the team was seemingly offed by Graviton.

>>88788105
im reading bro

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>>88788454
Fixer replaced part of her throat with machinery.

>>88788463

>tfw Nicieza got kicked off the book the first time when sales had settled around 30k
>tfw when Zub's Bucky garbage gets to keep going despite heading for sub 15k sales.

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>>88787646
Fuck off, S/D.

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>>88788491
According with Rich, the Thunderbolts title is ending soon. Maybe they will pull a Hercules and make it an event tie-in miniseries for Hydra War

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>>88788516

Fingers crossed that it gets cancelled soon. And gets relaunched in Fall without Bucky, Zub and Malin.

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>>88788516
Honestly, they needed a better artist and a boost from a more popular series.

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>>88788577
They needed an editor that actually gave a fuck and isn't a Stucky shipper

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>>88788373
Well then, this is to go even further beyond.

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>>88788608

Why do people like Mel Gold so much?

>>88788603

Or who at least can keep their boner for Bucky and Stucky contained.

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>>88788613

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>>88788623
Because she is one of the few characters in superhero comics that were allowed to grow and develop and it stickied instead of flushing down to the drain for the sake of maintaining the status quo.

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>>88788642
I guess by extension, that's pretty much why people like all of the O.G. Thunderbolts?

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>>88788659
Yes, but some of them like Zemo got hit with the status quo bat.

>>88788659

Yeah. Except Zemo and arguably Moonstone. The former was not allowed to keep his character development, and the latter had a string of shitty writers crapping on her.

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>>88788676
I feel like Zemo still exists with all his backstory behind him. It's not ignored, he just regressed in personality. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

I think Moonstone and Fixer have had less dramatic changes throughout their T-Bolts run too, so less change? Ofc yeah Ellis definitely took a very negative line on her and worse writers picked that up. Moonstone got a few focal arcs in the original Thunderbolts which she's never really had again even in revivals or other teams.

>>88788670

What makes Zemo's backslide sting is that outside of that first arc of him trolling Bucky, he hasn't exactly been used well. He is usually the entry level villain that gets jobbed out and dies after six issues, so he didn't even lose his character development for anything worthwhile,

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>>88788697
Despite writing a Zemo that sounded like X the Eliminator, Spencer said in an interview that he Zemo knows he slipped back and wants to return to his successful phase as Citizen V.

>>88788701
They just see an aristocratic German warlord with no face plotting world domination drinking schnapps in his mountain chateau. They don't see the heart underneath.

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>>88788741
Taking another break, Thunderbolts: Breaking Point later.

>>88788741
The kid Zemo stuff more recently has shown more appreciaton for the character IMO. Spencer wrote a pretty good John Walker too.

>>88788756
Spencer has an appreciation for villains. You can tell he loves T-Bolts, Grunwald Cap, etc.

>>88788697
The problem with Moonstone is that she never wanted to redeem herself. She prizes surviving the most and only changed when she had an anchor like Jolt or Hawkeye. Once she got away of them, Karla went back to villainy by helping Graviton.

>>88788756
I feel like Spencer really do not want to write the Sam Wilson book. He wrote a good USAgent and the Serpent stuff was kekworthy, but the rest of the run was mediocre.

>>88788756

If you compare with how other writers in the last five years or so treated John, Spencer was extremely kind towards him. He didn't play him as a joke, he didn't portray him as a frothing at the mouth idiot, didn't cripple him or kill him off...

Young Zemo honestly seemed like a sweet kid so Spencer is at least not going for him being inherently turbo evil or anything like that.

>>88788832
Hell, he turned Diamondback into a stripper and it still was in character.

>>88788801

I'd argue it's more that Karla is unsure whether she wants to be a hero or a villain, and there was this running theme of her being held back by her insecurities and fears of responsibility/vulnerability/and so on.

>>88788801
Well, the Graviton stuff doesn't exactly end like that. I do think it's a bit shitty given how she was with Jolt - and hell, even Troll - the reaction she has to Kobik in this current run.

>>88788832
I would definitely be interested in a USAgent series or mini with that angle on John.

>>88788881

What frustrates me is how Zub makes her act like a totally inept moron around Kobik. Like she'd now better than to pull a stunt like the one in the first issue of Zubbolts in front of an omnipotent toddler. Karla would also try to bring Kobik to her side by playing mommy to her not doing whatever the hell she doing.

>>88788537
I would so hard.

need an alt universe where songbird and moonstone are moms raising jolt and troll and widdle zemo together desu

>>88788917
Headcanon is that she got brain damage from using both moonstones

>>88789801

Works for me. Opens up the possibility for a writer to retcon some of the more stupid shit people dumped on her out of existence, too.

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Let's go

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>>88790661

Chen is cute. CUTE.

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>>88790702
He really is. Pretty sensitive portrayal of a guy intentionally playing up false stereotypes too.

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>>88790807

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>>88790837

>>88790813
He is le evil radioactive chink again now. Thanks Loeb and Waid.

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>>88790873

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>>88790276

Mel really suffered during Dark Reign. Also some of her earlier interactions in Ellisbolts and so on with Andreas felt like a less fucked up version of her relationship with Zemo (obviously not here where Andreas doesn't give a fuck whether or not Karla kills Melissa). Chen is another of those characters that got kinda dicked over after T-Bolts.

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>>88791001

Isn't this pretty much the last time Dallas Riordan appeared anywhere?

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>>88791031
I think so, she was even excluded from the upcoming 20th anniversary cover

>>88790873
Again, you know, it's just throwing away stuff you can use for a good story. Chen is kind of Norm's pocket devil Chinamen representing both the anti-China sentiment and the anti-nuclear sentiment. He understands the lies, but he accepts it as his role - and his own country isn't too fond of him either.

That's pretty nuanced in the stories you can tell with it, so why throw it away? Especially now, because those hooks are probably more relevant now than they were here.

>>88791061

Which is weird considering that she was a pretty major character for most of the classic run.

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>>88791092

The really retarded thing is that you wouldn't even have had to turn Chen back into a cackling supervillain again to use him as an antagonist. Has there even been a good story with Radioactive Man as the villain after he got turned evil again?

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>>88791218
No, he is just a generic villain.

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>>88791190
>>88791221
>>88791237
>>88791261

I have to say that this is a great villain moment for Karla. I think this was pretty much the last time that she was played as a skilled and threatening manipulator, subsequent writers made her too dumb.

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>>88791332

The artist was probably going for regal and dignified with Zemo in that picture but all I am getting from it is

>my shoulder pads are heavy
>I am cold
>my feet hurt
>I wish I was at home plotting world domination

>>88788642
>>88788659
>>88788670

>Marvel rushes a T-Bolts film for the end of Phase 3 and they all get smacked with the Status Quo nerf bat even worse

It is not a good feel

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>>88791390

Even worse is that a Thunderbolts movie would mean that Bendis would at least try to park his talentless fat ass on that book.

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>>88791843

So with the inevitable Thunderbolts movie announcement within the next couple years, marvel comics will GOTGize it.

That means every member of the movie getting a solo whether they can carry one or not.

Fears and hopes about a Songbird solo, /co/? Can Mel carry one?

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>>88791869
I think she can carry an ongoing as long as they give a gimmick redeeming villains or play with her personality by adding a few comical supporting characters. Bringing back Dr. Dorcas as a villain would help.

>Fear
Turning her into Mockingbird 2.0

>>88791869

If they can find a good pitch for Mel then she'd probably be the only one with a chance to reach 12 issues. The question is just what kind of pitch you could make for an ongoing with her that doesn't meander around aimlessly and moves her character forward.

>>88791979

You could add Troll and maybe bring back Chen as supporting characters for her.

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Y'know it just isn't really Thunderbolts to me unless Zemo is kicking around being all sneaker but "the better man" and i really quite liked Jolt, shame we never saw her again.

I get why they had to reinvent with that Civil war era EDGE LORD team that everyone loves but I like the old fashioned guys doing their own thing rather than being led by the nose by this volumes white bread "make me proud like I was your real dad" hero eg Luke Cage/Hawkeye/Bucky.

Though desu i just probably miss being young

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>>88792093

> rather than being led by the nose by this volumes white bread "make me proud like I was your real dad" hero eg Luke Cage/Hawkeye/Bucky.

In all fairness, though, at least with Luke and Hawkeye we were given solid reasons for why the team is following them and Clint had to work really hard to gain their trust and loyalty. Plus Clint's leadership was mutually beneficial for everyone's character development unlike Buckybolts where everyone just exists to prop up Bucky.

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>>88792093
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>>88794529
Is the image limit still 250?

>>88794321
With a Busiek/Bagley story to boot.

I wish the book kept Bagley after that issue instead of maintaining Malin on the art duties

>>88794570
Last time I checked, yeah.

>>88795446
Bagley at least isn't a complete eyesore.