Captain America: Steve Rogers #8 Storytime

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>>88729276

How much of this is gay Cap/Zemo fanfiction at this point?

The last time I read it they were at a fucking English boarding school together.

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>>88729378
About a third of it. Then a third is Quasar shenanigans and the last third is Captain Keikakku playing everyone like a damn fiddle.

>>88729353

so wait.
did Steve getting rejuvenated rewrite ALL of history, or just his memories?

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If you're wondering about the Starbrand thing. Wendell accidentally ended up in the New Universe back in the 90s, and used the Starbrand to get back to 616. He then accidentally gave the starbrand to his girlfriend and didn't realise it until a bunch of super-villains showed up to get the Starbrand from her which lead to the Star Blast cosmic event of the 90s.

The Star Blast tie-in for Secret Defenders also has my single favorite Nova spread of all time. It's fucking beautiful.

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>>88729438
We won't know for sure until we get to see Steve and Zemo talk. If Zemo also has these same memories then Kobik warped all of reality. If Zemo doesn't know what Steve is talking about then the reality warping was localized only to Steve (basically, it'd be like if 616 Steve was replaced with the Steve who experienced these flashbacks).

Either way, it's not "memories." Since all this stuff did happen to Steve thanks to Kobik. It's just a question of whether 616 itself was altered or if it was only altered from Steve's perspective.

Was Wendell as OP when he was wearing the bands? I'm not too knowledgeable on Quasar, but the new one Vaporized an entire chitauri army. That's pretty impressive.

>>88729331
>>88729353
>>88729367

Helmut is cute. CUTE.

>>88729496
Yeah. Though Wendell was probably too nice to do that.

>>88729486

I find it amusing that highranking members of Hydra are holding an important meeting regarding Hydra's future somewhere in the backyard of a fucking school.

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>>88729496
Yes, Quasar was always extremely powerful. He just didn't use the full extent of his powers most of the time since he's generally a pretty nice guy and often tried to find non-violent solutions to problems.

>>88729382
Why are they fighting in open space without ships?

>>88729276
>there are edgy teenagers in the world RIGHT NOW who aren't reading Cap

Weird, don't they know their its only audience anymore?

>>88729550
>>88729579
>>88729589
Did she actually vaporize them? Seems more likely she transported them.

>>88729486
>Dr Whitehall, I'm HYDRA

>>88729499
What about the Japanese?

>>88729603

oh shit HYDRA WAR intesifies

>>88729613
If I pull that mask off, will he die?

>>88729382
kek Alpha Flight is just SHIELD in space with Carol as a more incompetent Maria Hill

>>88729539
Who the fuck is this guy with the same name as Wendell Vaughn?

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HAIL HYDRA!

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Also I guess I'll do Thunderbolts too since Thunderbolts is literally just a Steve Rogers tie-in book.

>>88729550
Since when can the Chitauri do this? And why do they look so different to all other Chitauri we've seen?

>>88729486
I'm pretty sure it was just Steve's memories. Like she rebuilt his memories of his own past while everyone else is a constant.

>>88729669
The same cocoons the Thunderbolts destroyed and Crystal threw a shitfit and tried to kill them?

>>88729687
That's what I'm assuming too, but we won't actually know for sure until someone other than Steve comments on it one way or the other.

>>88729651
>Steve is drawn like a stereotypical Nazi now
this shit is amazing

>>88729706
Yes. Thunderbolts is just a tie-in book.

>>88729589
>>88729603
>Hydra Cap BTFO'ing out of these 2 cunts

I want to read an entire trade of just that. Hail fucking Hydra.

>>88729445
storytime that please

>>88729603
>you'll be in for another war
>a... Marvel Comics presents Nick Spencer's Hydra War

>>88729499
>Hydra wasn't always aligned with Nazis

What? I mean, I get that this is an "alternate universe" but it's still weird.

>>88729641
Just like SWORD was just SHIELD in space with Agent Brand as a more incompetent Maria Hill.

>>88729669
Gotta love how competent and threatening Steve is as a villain.This is still one of the best books of current marvel. Shame that normies hate it because of "NOT MUH"

>>88729715

Zemo is showing up in Captain Falcon right now yea?

and they're about to start ramping up to Hydra War...

>>88729796
Zemo is showing in Thunderbolts trying to recruit a new Masters of Evil roster

>>88729767
I assume HYDRA was like these occult and/or fascist groups that were co-opted by the nazis.

>>88729651
The Chitauri have never been like this, hell they don't even really look like the Chitauri anymore.

>>88729589
Remember when everybody was sure Avril was Carol's next love interest?

>>88729767
Anon, Hydra was never aligned with the Nazis. After the war, a bunch of former nazis joined up with Hydra with one fo them (Baron Strucker) becoming a high ranking official, but they were never aligned and Hydra as an organization predates Nazis by thousands of years. It's an ancient organization of eastern origin that Strucker co-opted after the war.

I was going to say "it's only the MCU where was always aligned with the nazis" but even there, HYDRA predates nazis by thousands of years.

>>88729820

ah damn.
well still, Spencer has said that he hashed out his story with Zub so that Thunderbolts would be a part of his ongoing Cap narrative

>>88729850
No?

>>88729767
It's not weird. Hydra wasn't aligned with the Nazis until late in the war, when Baron Strucker (after a trip in Doctor Doom's time machine showed him that the Reich was doomed) made an alliance with Hydra in Japan, then took over.

>>88729820
Storytime when?

>>88729651
Sounds like ultimate cap america.

>>88729486
>>88729687
An upcoming issue will explain how he managed to fight on the side of the allies during the war, so it is quite likely that she altered all of reality.

>>88729767
>everything I know about HYDRA comes from Captain America: The First Avenger
This isn't the MCU, anon. I bet you also think that Red Skull was associated with HYDRA since the beginning.

Spoiler Alert: Red Skull didn't become the leader of HYDRA until Spencer made him the leader after Standoff ended. He's allied with them on a handful of occasions, but Red Skull didn't actually become a member/leader of HYDRA until last year.

>>88729486
When Kobik modified Selvig's history into thinking he'd always been a loyal Hydra agent, the Red Skull was confused and needed Kobik to explain what happened to him even though under this new history Selvig knew the Skull.

Fun fact: Kobik is the shards of the cube that was once used to resurrect Hitler.

>>88729985
It's actually the shards of the cube that was once used to IMPRISON Hitler.

>>88729896
>after a trip in Doctor Doom's time machine showed him that the Reich was doomed
When the hell did that happen?

>>88729975
I remember that, but If my memory doesn't fail he didn't meet the Red Skull personally. Selvig has memories of serving under Hydra, but naturally the Red Skull wouldn't remember every soldier that has worked for the organization.

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>>88729684
OK, let's do Thunderbolts #8. Prepare for Liefeld Jr. and MUH BUCKY.

>>88730044
Why not make a new thread?

>>88729515
Are these ancient evils we should know about already or is this new stuff?

>>88729603
>>88729669
Captain Hydra keeps delivering

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>>88729985
Was actually going to mention that when she showed up in this storytime.

Hitler's soul was originally trapped inside the cube that would later become Kobik. Might storytime Waid's run where the cube was destroyed. The second issue of CA: Steve Rogers has a couple of the pages from the end of that run redone word-for-word/beat-for-beat.

>>88729849
It's the ultimate ones with new armor on. Same skin color and long ears.

>>88729382
why would they hold fire until they were in melee range

the whole advantage on the human side is having ranged weapons

is this literally just because carol wanted them in punching range

this seems like a really bad tactical decision

>>88729896
>>88730033

it didn't.
Red Skull could tell that Hitler was going to lose and sent Strucker to Japan to infiltrate HYDRA (happened in the long forgotten Captain Savage and his Leatherneck Raiders)

>>88730083
Because it's the new thunderbolts book, so it will probably reach like 20 posts before being archived.

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>>88730132
Carol isn't known for her tactical genius. She's known for punching first and asking questions later.

>>88730013
Was that before or after Deadpool, Fury, and Cable murdered Hitler?

>>88730033
Marvel Universe by Roger Stern

>>88730137
It did happen.

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>>88730155
Also because it's more "Captain America: Steve Rogers Gaiden" than it is Thunderbolts.

>>88730165
The Cube actually imprisoned the Hate-Monger, a clone of Hitler.

>>88720848

>>88723817

Someone tell that tripfag to do it properly next time

>>88730207
I love comic books

>>88730147
To be fair to Mach-X, the Guardsmen armors have always been fodder. I'm pretty sure even the Mach-I armor is better than them.

>>88729496
Wendell was too nice and polite to do something like that.

He would've taken 'em out one on one at a time with his cosmic nunchucks.

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>>88730241
Ah, didn't realise it had already been storytimed what with it being hidden in a thread I didn't bother reading because I didn't want to be spoiled on which book he appears in. You never want to storytime a book without putting it in the OP so people can find it easily.

Which... I'm doing in this exact thread by not mentioned the thunderbolts in the OP. Oops.

>>88729382
>>88729399
>have ranged weapons
>fighting melee opponents
>wait till they close the distance to fire

ebin, just ebin

>>88730272
you know, this is a really good page even if it's liefeld jr.

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Not posting the letters pages because I think everyone is pretty sick of reading Stucky shippers spewing their nonsense. Stemo is the superior ship and Spencer knows it.

>>88729378
I'm still kind bummed out they made the Zemos be part of Hydra. I hope it's just cosmic cube bullshit.

I don't know how many layers this run is on but I like it.

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>>88730293
She likes to see the life being ripped out of the aliens up close.

>>88730415

To be fair, though, the letter pages for this page was mostly BuckyNat shippers begging for it to appear in the T-Bolts book, god knows why.

And a dude who I am pretty is S/D begging for Diamondback.

>>88730518
>BuckyNat shippers
Brubaker was a mistake.

>>88729550
>>88729579
>>88729589
Can we push this qt as Marvel's WW instead of Carol? Please?

>>88729331

So who is he talking to here? Zemo? Selvig? Sharon, or someone else?

>>88730553
I assume Zemo.

>>88730415

Zucky is best ship

>>88729603
Based Hydra Cap.

>>88730518
>And a dude who I am pretty is S/D begging for Diamondback.
OK, someone has to post it.

Avril is cute, CUTE

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>>88730748

>>88729924
No he doesn't

>>88730866
He actually posted this letter on his tumblr.

>>88729445
I never thought I'd see that referenced again in modern Marvel, it's not THAT obscure but it's already irrelevant enough.
Epoch when? I want to see the cute female cosmic entity backing up the cute female Quasar and do cute things in space

>>88730586
Nope it's still Stemo, even Zemo's hate for Bucky stem from his obsession with Steve.

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>>88730356
>>88730377
Based Songbird

>tfw no Songbird or Quasar ongoing spinning out of Hydra event

>>88730298
>Ghost is back
FUCK YES

>>88731168
Pair them both up with Singularity, give her a book to go to.

>>88731196
>tfw no Songbird or Quasar ongoing spinning out of Hydra event
I would be shocked if there wasn't a Quasar ongoing spinning out of Hydra War.

>>88729353
This is amazingly cute for what it is.

>>88729445
Wonder what that forget about powers thing might be foreshadowing.

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>>88729445
Might as well post the page in question because everyone deserves to see this beauty.

>>88730866
Absolute madman

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>>88729486
Posted without comment.

>>88729276
Aw yiss.

>>88731412
Unless you're a barafag, I don't see what's so cool about it.

The interactions between Zemo Jr. and Steve as well as the ones with his dad are weirdly disturbingly adorable.

>>88731457
>not being a barafag
But why?

>>88731492
If you want to dial right back to Helmut's first appearances, it makes complete sense that he'd see his dad like that as a kid.

>>88731519

Oh, definitely. And Heinrich comes accross like he hasn't turned abusive towards his family yet. Who knows, Kobikverse!Heinrich might not even become an abuser in the first place.

>>88731254
Nah, Singularity should be a character in All-New Runaways

>>88731660
Yes please. It's the only place I think she'd actually fit.

Any guesses on what's the next step on Steve's master plan?

>>88731412
I'm somewhat underwhelmed. But preferences are a strange thing.

Why do I almost *want* Steve and Helmut to have been teen boyfriends, /co/? What's happening to me?

>>88731652
Honestly when you consider Zemo Jr's whole run on the Thunderbolts and his idea of 'saving' the world - to see him saying "My dad - the smartest man in the world!" is a pretty emotional moment, and a great character moment. When you know all of what comes afterwards that line really has an impact.

>>88732138

It also makes Helmut's eventual rejection of his father and his line of thought during his encounter with Heinrich in Born Better so much more impactful.

>I want to beat him to death with my own two fists. Beat. Him. For so much. For everything.

>>88729428
not muh quasar

>>88729412
So Carol got all her outer space fighters killed and then moved inside to meet Cap?

>>88732498
>a wild Phylafag approaches
Judge Anon, pls go.

Thanks, OP.

>>88730223
I still can't take Abner seriously after Superior Foes.

>>88730313

I read your precious little fuck boy

>>88729603
captain keikaku leaves them to despair even when he finds out the truth

>>88730326
>She's back where she belongs!
>On the run from the law alongside me, the ex-boyfriend she can't stand, a woman that's tried to kill her multiple times and Zemo's not-boyfriend!

>>88735466

>Zemo's not-boyfriend

It took me a minute to figure out you meant Fixer cause my first thought was that Captain Hydra isn't even on the team.

>>88735747
Zemo is gay for Steve. Fixer is gay for Zemo, and Zemo probably reciprocates on occasion when he feels lonely.

>>88735788

Poor Norbert. Forever minionzoned.

>>88730399
I wonder if Songbird is hesitant in joining the Thunderbolts again cause she is afraid to revert into a villain after leading an Avengers team.

>>88735998
Rejoining the Thunderbolts is a massive step back for Melissa that she thought she had finally moved past.

>>88731432
kek

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>>88735998
There's also the fact that she's uncomfortable around her ex-boyfriend, she hates Moonstone, Fixer is untrustworthy and she doesn't really know Bucky.

>>88736166
And she's being drawn by Malin. Notice how she wasn't drawn by Malin in the issue where she wasn't a Thunderbolt again yet? Then once she becomes a Thunderbolt again, back to Malin.

>>88736166
>she hates Moonstone
Why do they even let Moonstone stick around? And why hasn't she bailed on them yet anyway? Her plan to steal Kobik failed and Fixer is no longer on board with her plan, she has nothing to gain from staying here.

>>88736257
Didn't Kobik give her the mind whammy to make her COMPLIANT when she tried and failed to gain control of Kobik?

>>88736257
Moonstone was likely mindraped by Kobik and be a sleeped HYDRA agent

>>88729579
Why did he get his ass kicked so hard during Annihilation then?

>>88737270
Because the Cosmic Control Rod is even more hax.

>>88731749
They need new characters to make up for half the team's death, anyway.

>>88737270
Because Annihilus had the Cosmic Control Rod. The Quantum Bands are insanely powerful. The Cosmic Control Rod is one step above them.

>>88729276
Does anyone have this OP image but without "Captain America" written on the back?
I know there's just art version of this somewhere but I can't find it.

>>88735788
Seems legit.

>>88736166
What's up with her and Abe? Why is she uncomfortable around him? Last time they parted was in good terms right? Did I miss anything?

I can see her being uncomfortable around Moonstone and Fixer tho, even Bucky, but Abe and Erik are cool.

Captain Bump

>>88730415
this wasnt so bad, even the liefeld-tier art was mostly okay, its Liefeld but without the glaring problems he has.

>>88736257
Kara stays because:

1. She's a loose cannon and better to keep her around under their watchful eye.

2. She's got her moments of true altruism that allow her enough good will to stay around

>>88738335

Go to the marvel database page for this issue and look for the textless cover.

>>88729445
Wendell is such a swell guy. I don't mind him giving up the bands if it means he finally gets a happy ending.

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>>88736257
Karla's extremely powerful and if you know what she is, she's willing to be a team player.

>>88738583
>Did I miss anything?
He's now a wanted criminal again, for reasons that it doesn't look like she agrees with.