>sequel 1 - Spider-Man 2 >sequel 2 - GotG 3 >new IP - ?

>>88710661
Thunderbolts

Hopefully moviegoers will be sick of superheroes by then.

>>88710684
I hope

>>88710661
Fantastic Four could come back. If not Im sure they'll give Ghost Rider another movie

Black Widow and Captain Marvel team-up to fight male oppression. With special guest Mockingbird.

New Avengers with Doctor Stranger and Spiderman as leads.


It will be fucking terrible desu

>>88710661
Squirrel Girl: The Movie

>>88710684
Making a Suicide Squad ripoff would be the dumbest thing Marvel could do

>Sequel 1
Spider-man 2
>Sequel 2
Captain America 4
>New IP
F4
>Other New IP
Silver Surfer
>Final Movie
Coming of Galactus

>>88711397
Has something changed regarding the Fantfourstic rights? No? Then don't count on Fox to give them up.

>>88710697
This meme is shit. People will always be popular because people like fantasy/action/martial arts movies

>>88711397
>Captain America 4
I know Cap's most likely going to die in IW, but i would've really liked to see that Serpent Society movie

>>88711680
*superhero movies

>>88711257
this is how we know you don't read comics

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>>88711257

>>88711257
Ignoring how dumb this post is I want to point out that WB didnt even get Suicide Squad right

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>>88710661
Hit Monkey
James Gunn wants to do it
That or Marvel Studios could do Nova I guess.

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>>88710697
Who said it had to be a superhero?

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>>88710684
A man can dream.

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>>88710661

>>88711171
ffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag

>>88711257
Exactly. Which is why they'd make Thunderbolts instead.

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Bring Namor into the MCU pls :'(

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>>88713189
Carol took his spot. It's too late. ;_;
Although maybe he could be the antagonist of a Black Panther sequel...

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>>88713251
I feel like they'd have to at least introduce Atlantis fully before they could have Namor and T'Challa fighting.

>>88711397
>Galactus
>not Kang
Booooooooooooooo.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
>>88711758
Presumably anon's positing it'd feature Sam or Bucky under the name instead.
Even so, I think Strange 2, Panther 2 & CapMarv 2 are all more likely. Shit maybe even a third Ant-Man.

>>88710661
So what will be the MCU in 2035-2040?

> Prowler
> Darkhawk 3
> Songbird
> White Tiger
> Black Knight 3
> Silk 2
> Machine Man
> Forceworks 2
> Nova 5
> Ms. America 2
> Wonder man 6
> Hercules & Amadeus 3
> Eternals 2
> Quasar 2
> Blue Marvel 2
> West Coast Avengers 4

>>88713251
>>88713308
They dont own the rights to him. Not to mention I doubt normies want not-aquaman

>>88710684
Let's say they confirm this, who would you like to see on the team and who should play them?

>>88713308
That's what I'm suggesting; It'd all be introduced in the selfsame movie.

>>88710661
Nova

>>88713357
I thought the rights recently reverted back to Marvel.

>>88713357
They don't own the rights to Hulk either.
They own most of his rights, for all we know he can appear in movies just not be the marque name.
>I doubt normies want not-aquaman
Nigga.
It's fucking Marvel.
Normies want what they TELL them to want.

>>88713398
Twice in the past few years that story's """leaked""" and twice in the past few years Feige has responded with an 'eh... not entirely'.

>>88711257
Suicide Squad tried really hard to be GotG, anon.

>>88713358
I'd like to see more of Batroc.
He had a really cool fight scene in the beginning of Winter Soldier a lot of people seem to forget about.
https://youtu.be/E0hATPE_oGY

>>88713427
Dashing my hopes and dreams

>>88713189
Is Namor still an X-Man? They might not be able to put him in the MCU.

>>88713483
Universal had or has his rights not Fox

>>88713358
Justin Hammer, Tinkerer, and whatever secondary villains are in Ant-Man 2 and Captain Marvel (provided they have growy powers & blasty powers, respectively).

>>88713325
>Sam or Bucky
It's been pretty obvious how hard they're setting up Buckycap for when Chris Evans eventually steps down.
Especially with Stan's nine movie contract.

>>88713455
I was there both times, anon. Even did a celebratory storytime. Don't pull that shit on me.

>>88713517
Wouldn't necessarily need his own movies though. Sam Jackson had a 9 pic deal too.
Also between the car scene in Civil War and Marvel trying to market him as a Thunderbolt, I'mma keep my mind open,

>>88713358
Zemo, Erik Josten, Abner Jenkins, Norbert Ebersol, Melissa Gold and Karla Sofen of course. Ain't the Thunderbolts without them.
Would be cool if some would have Batreaux-level roles in upcoming movies, like Beetle in Spider-Man, Goliat in Ant-Man & The Wasp, Moonstone in Cap Marvel, etc. But that won't happen unfortunately.

>>88713455
Hey, at least Thor 3 is a stealth Planet Hulk movie.

>>88713555
*Batroc
*Goliath
I'm too tired to type

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>>88713411
Namor is superior to Aquaman though

>>88713483
Namor was Marvel's very first character, he's his own IP. Being mutant was a retcon.

>>88713589
They just used mutant to explain the wings on his feet pretty much

>>88713555
Do they have to have those specific names if all else is kept the same?
>>88713588
Oh undoubtedly. But that's besides the point.

>>88713588
Bull.Shit. Aquaman is great

>>88713631
>Do they have to have those specific names if all else is kept the same?
Why would they use those exact characters but rename them? What's the point?

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>>88713665
How?

>>88711637
Phase 4 is a long way in the future so things could change. F4 hasn't exactly been a cash cow for Fox so it's very possible they could sell the rights back to Marvel.

And honestly Fox SHOULD do that right now, since F4 is a depreciating asset. Whatever they'd be able to get Marvel to pay for those rights now is more than they'll ever be able to get in the future.

>>88713350
>Quasar 2
I wish

>>88713357
Who owns the Namor rights? He wouldn't be part of Fox's F4 or X-Men rights because he predates those IPs by decades.

>>88713750
Universal Studios

>>88713411
>They own most of his rights, for all we know he can appear in movies just not be the marque name.
Which name can't be used in the title? Namor or Sub-Mariner?

>>88713769
I think it's Sub-Mariner

>>88713683
Because it undermines the point of the Busiek team if you're cramming in these specific Z-listers.
So long as they have the same powers & personalities it could still be true to the source material whilst also being something of a surprise. Besides, Marvel Studios have already made it clear they'd rather use what's readily available than bend over backwards for accuracy's sake. 'Member Ultron?

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Is Namor actually an unpopular character? I always get that impression

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>>88713696
Plus, you know.
Phase 4.
Fantastic 4.
Shit writes itself.

>>88713769
Either, I'd imagine.
If he's anything like Hulk, co-starring in Black Panther 3 wouldn't be a problem though.

>>88713970
Define unpopular.
In terms of source material & notoriety he's easily Strange or Panther-tier.
Thing is neither of them saw their shtick ripped off and dragged through the mud. Plus, neither are as big an asshole.

>>88714050
I was referring to what people that know about him from the comics think about him. I know he's kind of rough around the edges but I always found him to be an honorable character. He's my favourite for sure

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>>88714111
Goddamn though. My friend mentioned to a guy that sells comics that I liked Namor and he accused me of liking him just because he wears a speedo

>>88710697
honestly this

These movies are almost all universally awful. I hope Trump brings back 80s action films instead of kid cartoons for chinese idiots

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>>88711257
>Guardians of the Galaxy? Making a Green Lantern ripoff would be the dumbest thing Marvel could do

Blade

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>>88710661
Obviously

>>88714050
>>88714111
I like him because he's aquaman if aquaman was a raging asshat with a heart of slightly acidic gold

I'd actually be ok with a Khmala Khan movie

>>88711761
Neither do the people watching these films.

>>88712030
I bet you people would call Songbird a Harley Quinn knockoff.

First off OP, there's an error in your planning. Spider-Man 2 (whatever it'll be called) comes out after Infinity Wars in 2019. So it's Captain Marvel, Infinity wars Part 2, then Spider-Man 2 (Yes, I know it's not called Infinity wars Part 2)

With that out of the way, Dr. Strange 2, GOTG 3 and Black Widow film for 2020. They've been teasing that for so long, they might as well get it over with so they all stop bitching.

2021 will be Black Panther 2, Spider-Man 3 (Remember, every 2 years we'll get a Spidey film now) and Thunderbolts (Hopefully). That way you get a team movie each year as well.

2022 I guess will be Captain Marvel 2, Avengers 5, and...Ant-Man 3?

>>88710684

Thunderbolts, Sinister 6 and Power Pack are all projects likely to happen from 2020-2024

Sinister 6 and Power Pack have concept art, story and other details worked out already. Both even have scripts, but neither are MCU ready. They need re-writes.

>>88716490
Blend Eternals into it and I'm game.

>>88716553
I figure they'll wait a while on that one.
Say, 8 years.
>>88717124
I don't even like the character and that makes me a little mad.

>>88717251
>Power Pack have concept art, story and other details worked out already
saucesaucesaucesaucesaucesaucesauce

>>88717251
Also I figure Power Pack would be given to the TV people, that's where all the kid teams are going.
Maybe Disney Channel.

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>>88717198
>Black Widow film
They've "teased" fuck all.

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IF DOORMAN DOESNT EVENTUALLY GET HIS OWN MOVIE IM GONNE BE VERY FRICKIN UPSET

>>88717309
Clown face bad girl who has colored hair on a team of bad guys.

>>88717251
Can't picture a big screen adaption of Power Pack. Unless they make them much older, not many people want to watch 8 year old superheros.

>>88717251
>>88717345
Power Pack might be on Hulu, and then crossover with the Runaways Hulu show. I wouldn't be shocked if Young Avengers went to Hulu as well.

>>88717404
We all know it's and eventuality at this point. It's been brought up way too much not to happen.

>>88717445
Hulu series.

Marvel probably wants Spider-Man to be the only teenage superhero in the MCU films. God, why does Peter have to always be back in High School?

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Phase 4 - Avengers: Masters of Evil
Using science and sorcery, Arnim Zola and Amora raise up champions to destroy the Avengers once and for all. Starring:

Daniel Brühl as Baron Zemo reluctant super-soldier
Elizabeth Banks as Amora Asgardian sorceress
Charlize Theron as Moonstone powered by an alien artifact
Mickey Rourke as Crimson Dynamo more machine than man
Tim Roth as Abomination brutal gamma beast
Karl Urban as Executioner Amora's right hand
Andy Serkis as Klaw a being of living sound
Keke Palmer as Yellowjacket II reluctant villain
Huang Xiao Ming as Radioactive Man
Aaron Taylor Johnson as Whirlwind
and the voice of Toby Jones as the evil AI Arnim Zola

Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man
Chris Evans (?) as Captain America
Chris Hemsworth as Thor
Mark Ruffalo as The Hulk
Paul Rudd as Giant-Man
Evangeline Lily as The Wasp
Chadwick Boseman as The Black Panther
Brie Larson as Captain Marvel
Elizabeth Olsen as Scarlet Witch
Paul Bettany as the Vision

with Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury

Whats the odds that a young avengers or champions movie will happen?

>>88717309

Unfortunately none of it has leaked. The movie has been off and on in-development at different times in the last 16 years. Back at Artisan and then again in 2006 before Disney bought them and then again in 2012 after the success of Avengers.

>>88717345 There is a moratorium on power pack at the moment as Disney decides what to do with it. Big Hero 6's success may have squandered the potential for a power pack movie. Maybe.... We'll see.

>>88717509
Depends on how successful Fox's New Mutants is.

>>88717557
Ooooo that low eh?

>>88717494
This movie would only really introduce 4 new characters. Which is workable.
10 on 10

>>88710661
The ideal that I have for Phase 4 is more cosmic based. So we have

Sequel 1 - Spider-man 2
Sequel 2 - GotG 3
New IP - Nova (essentially being a retelling of Rich's experiences at the start of Annihilation, where Thanos btfo of the Nova Corps and Rich being the only survivor with the Worldmind giving him powers that no other Novas had)

Several other sequels assuming BP and Captain Marvel do well. Captain Marvel in particular to speed up the Cosmic Wheel. Possibly a Cap 4 with Bucky and doctor strange 2. Ant-man 3?

Big event this would build up to would be the MCU's version of Annihilation. Maybe with Ultron right away instead of Annihilus (since I'd bet Annihilus is part of the F4 crap), but better done than he was in AoU.

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>>88717460
No, it's not.
No, it won't.

>>88710661

Will the MCU have an end?

How long until they just kinda stop making these movies every year

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>>88717619
So he'll be driving his little space ship solo?

>>88717431
Fair enough I forgot all about the Screaming Mimi phase.
>>88717460
I feel Young Avengers might just be the one they pocket for the big screen.

>>88717650
When they stop getting great audience reviews and making large sums of cash?

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>>88717650
When they stop making a profit.

>>88717641
ScarJo is getting too popular not to go after it, and they can't use her for too much longer.
>>88717650
When they stop making money, which could happen if Infinity Wars doesn't work out. Frankly, I think Marvel is in a dangerous place with 3 movies, 2 - 3 Netflix shows, and TV and Hulu shows coming out all in the same year. They are going to use up all their content. What the hell will they do with Jessica Jones Season 2? Borrow some villain from another character? Then what happens when that character comes around?

>>88717673
Nah, he won't have a space ship (at least not in the film). Whatever Thanos does basically destroys the entire Nova infrastructure, but when Worldmind links with Rich he gives Rich all the Nova powers that we know in the comics because alien science. Say it's a "last resort" piece of technology that is built into every Nova's suit (or maybe a special suit that the Worldmind hides for this) to protect the Worldmind if all else fails. Special suit might work better.

>>88717650
When the bubble bursts. In 40-50 years the super hero genre will be like the westerns that kids see these days: rarely made into films and playing the "oldies" TV stations. But for right now they're everywhere.

>>88717703
>Implying Marvel isn't using maybe half it's content maximum
>Implying they don't have enough Jessica Jones-tier villains they could use

They are rolling out multiple villains for season 2.

>>88717494
I can appreciate the effort but man:
>implying half those Avengers are surviving Phase 3

Zemo's alive & in the custody of a govmint guy nicknamed Thunderbolt, Occam's Razor mah man.

>>88717673
>>88717619
I think Nova will be redundant if they make Carol Danvers the space/earth hero. I want Nova too, but too many heroes doubling over on the same shit would make people weary.
>>88717681
I think the biggest reason that Young Avengers won't get a film is the fact it's called Young Avengers. Nobody in the general public would want to see a spinoff of the Avengers cause it diminishes the Avengers name. That and gay heroes would get Russia and China's ban.

>>88717703
Damn straight they can't.
That's one of the reasons it ain't hapnin'.
>>88717733
That was just a rumor. A rumor I desperately want to be true, but just a rumor nonetheless.

>>88710684
How if they keep on killing villains? Like other than Loki and I guess Thanos, but he hasn't come out to the front lines himself yet, I can't name any villains that are both worth a damn and still alive. Oh, there's Justine Hammer I guess but I'd rather forget the Iron Man sequels.

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>>88717731
They were putting out 5 superhero movies a year 22 years ago, when you weren't even born. And again 12 years ago.
Not to mention the yearly superhero movies for another 15 years previous to that.

And all the television series and cartoon series....

>>88717733
I'm flat out saying people underestimate how fast Marvel will use up their content. Take away Fantastic Four and X-Men, and then the stories that are repeats of established stories, prolonged stories that exist to hype up events, and then outright bad stories, and the content starts to dry up.

Hell, Inhumans will probably have Maximus the Mad, then the Unspoken as villains, but they already used up Lash on AoS.

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>>88717703
>They are going to use up all their content.
By 2055, maybe.

>>88713696
They'd rather keep the rights to both spite Marvel/Disney and they always hope a F4 film they make will actually be successful and make them money.

>>88717788
I don't get why people are so hung up on the T-Bolts being villains from previous films.

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>>88717788
>How if they keep on killing villains? Like other than Loki and I guess Thanos
They have like 10 villains that are still alive

WB has a higher kill ratio on villains than Marvel, if you take out the guaranteed return of Lex Luthor for almost every fucking Superman movie.

>>88717788
>I can't name any villains that are worth a damn
I don't think you quite get Thunderbolts anon
Hammer's sincerely perfect.

>>88717822
Again, I think you are all too confident.

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>>88710661
Loki, Lord of Asgard

>>88717863
I don't think you read comic books, quite honestly.
Or you'd know that you're being ridiculous.

>>88717805
I'm 35, try again.

The saturation is hitting its peak. We're well past five movies a year.

Wonder Woman
Logan
Justice League
Thor
Spider-man
GotG
LEGO Batman

>>88714456
Well, do you?

>>88717881
>counting the shitty Lego cartoon

>>88717849
What if Hammer is Mach...whatever

>>88717830
It's probably because they're worried about giving all the new characters backstory in a team movie. Obviously it worked for GotG but Suicide Squads "establishing characters" was terrible.

>>88717884
No. I don't think about him that way actually

>>88713350
They'll probably have rebooted a couple times by then. If they get the rights to Galactus could even have him explain time and the universe being remade but different this time on screen. Like in whatever book where he's gold.

>>88717897
It's just another fucking super hero film when we don't need even more of them.

>>88715619
>GotG is a Green Lantern rip-off
In what way, besides the Nova Corps?

>When is Jess going to appear in a Captain Marvel movie?
>When will Marvel get F4 back and take a crack at it?
>Will Ghost Rider ever get another movie or is his material forever doomed to be stuck on AoS?
>Will Spider Man finally lead into the Sinister Six?
>Will Hulk ever get another solo, featuring She Hulk?
>Will Beta Ray Bill ever show up?
These are the things I care about

>>88717901
Did they establish anyone but Harley, Deadshot and El Diablo? I can't think of anyone else getting more background than the gambling prison guard.

>>88717762
I don't mean a 1:1 adaptation of the mid-00s series. Just sayin', if there's still a market for all this shit by the time Larson, Boseman & Bendydick run out of contract then I could totally see them casting a super-young:
>Iron girl
>black Cap
>spic Spidey
>brown Marvel
>fuccboi Strange
etc.. as in-universe legacy replacements.

>>88717933
Bill is pretty great. I hope he's in the newThor

>>88717863
I think you're underestimating just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
I would also bet money that the FF are back before 2020, and that the X-Men are being shared by 2030.

>>88717876
I read a shit ton of comics, but the way these movies work eliminate a ton of them. Let's say you have Doc Ock in a film and dies at the end. That means you eliminate all Doc Ock stories you can use in the future. Now let's see, they killed off Ronan, which eliminates all Ronan stories like him rising as champion to the Kree people, or his relationship to Crystal. Now let's take Quicksilver. Every Quicksilver story is now unusable (and he can't marry Crystal). Hell, we probably won't see Ultron again, so eliminate all those stories.

Now let's take this method and stretch it across all the MCU. Even grander stories take elements from many other books. Ragnarok will merge the Thor story and Planet Hulk together. There goes all the stuff you could use with the War Bound. Thor not being magical kind of prevents a story like Godkiller from happening. Civil War kind of takes away the hundred of tie in issues off the table.

Now think of how many comics exist that are callbacks, continuations, retellings, small moment issues, what if tales, or just outright bad comics. Sure, you got content left over, but it's increasingly shrinking when you have so much output. I'm telling you, Marvel will hit a wall because of this.

>>88717933
I can see Marvel finally doing the Sinister Six, maybe in Spider-man 3.

Beta Ray Bill is unlikely, though it'd certainly be a way to get people to be interested in the Thor films again.

Ghost Rider movie seems unlikely, as does Spider-Woman in CM. F4 could happen depending how much of a black hole FOX wants to keep diving into. I actually know people who liked the latest film.

>>88717951
At best, a cameo. What fucking sucks is the plot of Thor 3 is perfect to introduce Bill, and yet Hulk has stolen his place as a companion because we need to make him fucking relevant. We could have had hammer bros traveling across he 9 realms stopping Ragnarok, but instead we have watered down Planet Hulk

>>88717917
A reboot would kill the MCU and it would never recover. Nobody wants to start over after all this progress.

>>88717973
I'd wager X-men sooner than that unless they find a new Wolverine they can milk.

inb4 X-23, there's no way she'll be in as many solo films or carry the "excitement" of Logan's Wolverine.

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>>88717881
>I'm 35, try again.
I'll probably still be here by that age too desu

>>88717949
We don't even know if these characters will be remembered in 4 years.

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>>88717981
>I read a shit ton of comics, but the way these movies work eliminate a ton of them. Let's say you have Doc Ock in a film and dies at the end. That means you eliminate all Doc Ock stories

OH shit spidey is down to 40 classic rogues! This would be a problem if they were making a Spider-Man movie every month.

Even if they had 2 villains a movie and killed one of them each time, they'd have to reboot in 20 years if they put out a Spidey film EVERY year.

>>88718011
By implies at the latest.

So what are the chances of us getting a Hercules movie with Cho included?

>>88717982
Im willing to bet Robbie on AoS was a field test like Frank was on Daredevil. I think enough time has passed to give it another go, its not like anyone remembers either of Cage's GR films all that much. Marvel would be crazy to not tap into the Mad Max audience. Shame Robbie got wasted on AoS, but at least we have Danny. As for Spider Man, I could see the 2nd film adding two more members, then forming the Six in the 3rd movie

>>88718023
Which ones?
By black Cap I meant the Young Avengers one, notoriety ain't no obstacle.

>>88718038
>Cho
Fuck that guy
>Hercules
He could replace Thor down the line

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>>88717912
Stop lying.

>>88718054
I think a Ghost Rider movie would be great but I just find it unlikely. Not even because of the Cage films, just because it seems to clash with the theme the films are going for.

>>88718019
This is really the only place I can talk about comics, none of my friends know much about super heroes and such beyond what they see in the films.

>>88717762
Maybe Nova can be a supporting character.
Or they just keep doing GotG movies indefinitely and he's the new Earth-dude-in-space MC. Maybe rename them "Annihilators" to keep the brand looking fresh.

>>88718029
You know what I mean though. Like, if they do a Dark Reign film, that would be a full years worth of comics in one film.

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>>88718082
I like him better with clothes on

>>88718038
People would confuse him with all the other non-superhero Hercules shows and movies.

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>>88717881
Every cape film released each year takes the place of a shitty movie based on an old cartoon show, television series or reboot of an old movie/franchise.

Fuck, I'd be willing to have 9 a year if WB would halfway get it's shit together.
Somewhere, a script proposal for another Masters of the Universe reboot or Scooby Doo movie is mouldering.

Bring me more Superhero action please!

>>88717345
>Power Pack turned into the typical Disney channel live action sitcom for pre-teens
>main set is just a living room while occasionally seeing a bedroom or two
>closest we see to any super hero work is a character running off screen/stage while the camera focuses on other characters just watching while stock sound effects play
>"live" studio audience

>>88710661
>implying Marvel lasts long enough

>>88718165
erry year..

>>88718124
I'm not saying I'm getting sick of it, but the audience hivemind is. Say what you will about Apocalypse but when it bombed critically it was in part a bunch of reviewers getting their frustration out at how "by the numbers" many of these films seem to be.

>>88717828
Fox/Ike was the hot money feud.
Feige is a negotiator extraordinaire, and now he's the one in charge. A TV contract here, a Living Planet there, give it time.
>>88717830
Because that was the entire point.
At least in the DCEU's case Batman had been operating for decades offscreen. Pym aside we've seen everything from its inception. Besides doing otherwise would kick IDS OHL COBEBBDED square in the teeth.

>>88718096
You saw what they did to Dr Strange, I wouldnt put it past Marvel to somehow science up ghosts, demons, and monsters. Not saying I want, but "spirit of vengeance" could become "parasitic energy based inter-dimensional lifeform" if theyre desperate enough for material

>>88718186
Apocalypse failed for many reasons, none of them were a burnout on the genre.

It got bad reviews because it was Yet Again a movie centered around Charles/Magneto/Mystique/Wolverine.
With easily one of the worsts plots of the franchise.

>>88717921
About as much as Thunderbolts is an SS ripoff.

>>88710661

Black Panther 2
Doctor Strange 2
Captain Marvel 2
Spider-Verse
Fantastic Four
Iron Man 4

>>88717849
By "worth a damn" I mean "able to draw in audiences".

>>88718213
I meant more tone than angels and demons problems. If a Ghost Rider bit isn't at least pretty dark then it won't feel like GR, and only maybe two MCU films have approached dark.

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>>88718213
>You saw what they did to Dr Strange, I wouldnt put it past Marvel to somehow science up...
STOP

>>88718231
By that point, none of those 4 characters had anything interesting left to say, and it still focused almost entirely on them.
And Magneto, having failed at "redemption" horribly yet again, just gets to walk off whistling.

Pure garbage.

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>>88717849
Please keep Hammer the fuck away from my favorite franchise, I hated him in Iron Man 2.

So what will people get sick of first? Super hero movies or Star Wars? Last I heard Disney's plans are to release at least one new Star Wars film every year for the next 40.

>>88718263
Exactly. I don't think you quite get Thunderbolts.
>I mean "able to draw in audiences".
"By Marvel Studios". Sorted.

>>88718192

Marvel started allowing the x-men license to be used in products. So that's over. Towels, posters, playing cards, all kinds of random bullshit is being sold with x-men on it. As well as new collections of TPB for x-men.... and the big damn relaunch

Marvel is not treating x-men like their little bastards any more. Though you have to remember the F4 deal and x-men deal are different deals. Profit sharing for x-men is different than it is for F4. Fox had to give disney money for deadpool and.... they did.

>>88718291
You sayin' he wouldn't make a good MACH?
They seem about as annoying as one another.

>>88718281
How am I a casual here?

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>>88718301
>So what will people get sick of first? Super hero movies or Star Wars?
When did you develop into such an irredeemable Aspie piece of garbage, that all you can do is long for the "collapse" of stuff other people are enjoying?

No one is forcibly subjecting you to any of this material. God Damn you are a sad sack.

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>>88718285
2deep4u

>>88718281
>>88718332
You don't have to respond to this, the rest of us understand completely

>>88718301
I was sick of Star Wars when they announced VII. Only went to see it because my friends weren't.

>>88718301
I think one Star Wars film a year is a good number. Once they get to two or three (if they do) it might be too much. Then again, Rogue One being good might be making me too optimistic. I have NO hope for Young Han Solo.

>>88718023
Since the people that make the majority of those characters get a check every time some other writer uses them you can bet those characters will stick around in the comics as long as those people are writing. And I think the only thing that'll get them out of it will be medical reasons, since their careers are more or less not able to go anywhere other than writing more comics.

>>88718332
Why do you think you're the casual anon?

>>88718343
Superhero movies are still good, Disney Wars isn't.

>>88718326
MACH has some redeeming qualities in his own way. HAMMER just spent the whole movie being a more annoying, less successful Tony Stark, which was pathetic and didn't hold your interest at all.

Plus it would imply that any suit he had actually worked.

>>88718231

Fox got too big of an ego. DOFP was the sequel and finale to xmen 1-3 that everyone wanted. Apocalypse had to be bigger and more epic than DOFP....while also not being a part 5 to the franchise and instead being half sequel to first class, which got interrupted by DOFP, but also be its sequel AND set up future movies. Oh... AND fullfil contract obligations and finish all those up for actors who were promised money/screen time and blah blah.

I mean.... fuck that.

>>88718402
Somehow they'll probably manage to persevere without your mark of approval.
Somehow.

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>>88718326
Id say the hell with it and make him Crimson Dynamo (minus the russian of course).

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>>88717933
>>88717982
>>88718054
>>88718096
>>88718267
Ghost Rider should only exist if it's a Netlfix series about Danny Ketch. Fight me.

>>88718453
Sorry I don't fight the mentally handicap.

>>88718453
DK Ghost Rider is a laughable steaming pile of 90's, and you should feel bad for wanting more of it.
Someone sit you and Jim Lee down and explain that no one else wants that shit back.

>>88717494

if Zola's still alive what's stopping him from just making a new algorithm and predicting the Avengers to death?

>>88718511
It takes him decades to get anything accomplished?
And the increase of Metahumans is going to be problematic if most of them rally behind the Avengers (as Ant-Man and Spider-Man have already done).

>>88718502
Didnt Johnny get most of his good shit from Danny?

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>>88718500
>>88718502
Are you fucking serious?
I read the whole kit & caboodle over the past few months and Mackie's run is head & shoulders above the rest tonally.
>>88718540
Powers & looks -wise, yes.
Danny & Kale were better characters too.

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>>88718540
Are you talking about the movies?
Nothing good came from those movies.
Certainly not the designs of the characters.

>>88718580
I meant the character Johnny Blaze in general. Movie GR was a shitshow all around. Kind of hard to fuck up Ghost Rider but somehow it was done twice

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>>88718580
>Nothing good came from those movies.

>>88718568
Angst-Rider and his Angst Stare is a shit.

>>88718453
>>88718540
>>88718568
Honestly I like Blaze more just because of that Aaron and Way arc. But either of the two would be fine with me.

>>88718538

It took decades to build the helicarriers to kill everyone the first algorithm predicted.

But that's not the only way such an algorithm can be utilized. He could use it to know exactly when and where guys like Tony and Rhodey will be alone and out of their suits for easy assassinating, for instance. He could get a crew of like 2-3 decently powerful villains and systematically wipe out the Avengers if the algorithm is as good as we've been led to believe.

>>88718617
Don't tell me; you are gay for Sam Elliot.

>>88718343
Wondering when something is going to collapse is not longing for that something to collapse. Calm the fuck down. I just wanted to ask a question that both involved Marvel/Superhero movies, which this thread is about, but didn't feel like it deserved its own thread.

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>>88718618
But BWAHHAHAHAHAH BURN UR SOUL BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN is for us cultured types, obviously.

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>>88718636
>>88718636
>But that's not the only way such an algorithm can be utilized.
Sure he could troll them on social media.

>He could use it to know exactly when and where guys like Tony and Rhodey will be alone and out of their suits for easy assassinating, for instance.
No he fucking could not.

>>88711105
Speaking of, Andrew Garfield would make a really good Johnny Storm.

>>88718673
He couldn't even predict that Captain America and Widow would end up walking right up to his front fucking porch, resulting in him having to An Hero himself in an attempt to kill them.
Which failed.
>>88718636
You are dumb.

>>88718717
>He couldn't even predict that Captain America and Widow would end up walking right up to his front fucking porch

They couldn't predict Captain America because the guy had no online presence.

>>88718706
>Secret Wars movie
>MCU collides with the prior Fox/Sony capeflicks
>Torches bond over how their all-around better body doubles make them feel inadequate

>>88718580
>Nothing good came from those movies.

Didn't the movies introduce the idea of Ghost Rider turning whatever vehicle or weapon he's using into a hell version of it? I'm not that familiar with Ghost Rider and never paid much attention to the character but I don't remember anyone mentioning that until the movies.

>>88718755
But Natasha has miles of it, in an organization they've fully infiltrated.
Please, just stop.
It was never an Algorithm for predicting what people were going to be eating on the 23rd of January. It simply predicted who might have the means and disposition to pose a threat to Hydra.
That is all.

>>88711637

Well, the franchise is currently unusable for Fox, the film company that actually owns the rights (and licenses it to Fox), Constantin film, may be shutting it's doors, and the rights expire in 2022.

Couldn't they still work Doctor Doom into the MCU? I know he started out as a FF character, but he's also one of Iron Man's rogues.

>>88718790
no.

>>88718806
>but he's also one of Iron Man's rogues.
No, he really is not.

>>88718802
>But Natasha has miles of it,

If they can't predict Cap, they also can't predict things that Natasha does differently as a result of what Cap says or does. Cap was the origin point of things they can't predict, so everything he affected would also not go according to predictions.

>It was never an Algorithm for predicting what people were going to be eating on the 23rd of January.

And yet Sitwell was afraid that the algorithm would predict him spilling the beans. And for whatever reason, they were tracking Steven Strange, even though at the time he posed no threat.

>>88718806
He's an Avengers level threat, and its easy enough to do thanks to the tech established and Dr Strange's powers. However something is lost if we dont do his rivalry with Reed and his Latverian roots. That said, this is all moot until the rights revert

>>88718852
So anyone with a relative who doesn't use social media is safe?
Listen to yourself.

>And yet Sitwell was afraid that the algorithm would predict him spilling the beans.
Gee, maybe because the algorithm could see him as an exposed weak link, and hence a threat to Hydra?

>And for whatever reason, they were tracking Steven Strange, even though at the time he posed no threat.
It's noteworthy that Doctor Strange has access to time powers.

>>88718901
>So anyone with a relative who doesn't use social media is safe?

Social media isn't the only thing they tracked. They also used some things like bank records and shit. It's possible that the Amish were safe though.

>Gee, maybe because the algorithm could see him as an exposed weak link

exposed to what?

>It's noteworthy that Doctor Strange has access to time powers.

If Dr. Strange went back in time, and didn't use an ATM or shitpost online while in the past,how would they know?

>>88718957
Yes, like school records, political and organizational affiliation and suchlike. To predict whether someone would have the talent and/or temperament to fuck with them, and so they could point a gun at them.

>exposed to what?
The worst enemies they have, uncorrupted SHIELD officers and their super-agents?

If Strange at any point went back to the 60's or 70's or really any Cold War period and dicked around with fighting Evil, some journalistic record/shitty photographs, or accounts might have survived.

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I would love to see a Human Torch movie with the original Torch and Toro...

Having him burning Nazis to death... It would've been grand. Or better yet, he wasn't in the European Theatre so he was burning Imperial Japan to a cinder.
>fought on Okinawa
>firebombed Tokyo
>regrets it all
>a machine that becomes human

It would be grand.

>>88719060
>The worst enemies they have, uncorrupted SHIELD officers and their super-agents?

how would they know he's exposed to them unless they predict him getting captured? And if registering as a "potential weak link" is enough, why even hire him in the first place?

>If Strange at any point went back to the 60's or 70's

If he went back to before he was born, no one would recognize him and nothing he did back then would be on the Internet for the algorithm to take advantage of. People wouldn't piece together "red cape wizard from the 70s is totally Stephen Strange" until post-2016, unless the algorithm predicted him becoming a wizard.

>>88718806
The rights were sold in packages, hew was part of the FF package. No dice.

>>88719128
He was getting more exposed to the heroes and Nick's plans as the MCU developed. They really wouldn't even need the Algorithm to start worrying that he'd be a exposed weakness for them. And maybe he scored low on "resist torture" class, who knows?

>>88719128
>If he went back to before he was born, no one would recognize him and nothing he did back then would be on the Internet
You seem overly obsessed with it relying on modern internet interaction.
1. Strange goes back to 1975
2. Does something newsworthy, his picture is taken
3. His facial image is stored while Zola can't find this "mystery" wizard
4. decades later, important surgeon's picture exactly matches the dead-link photo.

>>88711397
Cumming of Galactus.

>>88719219
>He was getting more exposed to the heroes and Nick's plans as the MCU developed.

So were a lot of people.

>They really wouldn't even need the Algorithm to start worrying that he'd be a exposed weakness for them. And maybe he scored low on "resist torture" class, who knows?

Then why hire him?

>Strange goes back to 1975
>Does something newsworthy, his picture is taken

Would he wait around for a photographer to show up though? It's not like people in the 70s were carrying cell phone cameras to get random pics with.

but let's go back to "can the algorithm predict where you will be on a given day." If they can just datamine Google, they can already bring up the location history of millions of people and form a solid pattern, giving them semi-reliable predictions for where individuals are most likely to be in the near future. Probably wouldn't work so well on Stark since he seems to use custom software for everything, but it would be in the realm of possibility for a lot of them, I'd imagine.

>>88719496
I'm done holding your hand.

You are on your own now. Godspeed little dumb guy.

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>>88710661
if they don't use Don Blake as an excuse to recast Thor, I could see them doing U-Force/Enigma force to fill a similar niche

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>>88719640

k

>>88713953
But in the comics the reveal was in like the first issue anyway. Besides, the surprise would still work for the majority of viewers, since most haven't read or even heard of these comics. They're going to call the movie Thunderbolts anyway, so no matter what the team, people familiar with the source material will know what the twist is in advance anyway.

>>88721683
>Besides, the surprise would still work for the majority of viewers, since most haven't read or even heard of these comics.
Not if the villains are totally new dudes they've never even seen before.
I feel we're arguing two different things.

>>88719643
Source? Wayfinder/Engima/Microverse shit always goes way over me 'ead.

>>88713555
Nah, MCUbolts will be:
>Zemo
>Shocker
>Abomination
>Captain Marvel's antagonist
>Mordo
>Hammer
>Loki

>>88723713
That's exactly why I said they should be introduced before the Thunderbolts movie in my original post...
>>88713555
Who knows, maybe Avengers 5 could have Masters of Evil before Thunderbolts in phase 5 or something?

>>88723892
And that undermines the point of the Busiek team if you're cramming in these specific Z-listers.
The surprise was that they were any old nobodies, not SOOOOO important to the concept that they all had to be specially created from scratch within just 2 years.
As long as Zemo recruits a cocky suit dude, a burly STRONK dude, an autistic tech dude, a bitchy brick & a winged waifu, it's fundamentally Thunderbolts. And if Songbird's the MC you can introduce her i the movie itself.

>>88723892
>maybe Avengers 5 could have Masters of Evil before Thunderbolts in phase 5 or something?
The Thunderbolts filled a void that had been left when the Avengers were killed off.
Between actor contracts and the fact it's Thanos, Phase 3 is likely ending with the Avengers getting killed off.

>>88724008
>>88724008
>The surprise was that they were any old nobodies
Which is why it makes perfect sense to have them in similar roles to Batroc in Winter Soldier. Characters who are not major villains, but just obstacles who appear and are gone after, or independent criminals the hero fights in the opening.
>they all had to be specially created from scratch within just 2 years.
>As long as Zemo recruits a cocky suit dude, a burly STRONK dude, an autistic tech dude, a bitchy brick & a winged waifu
Why does it have to be in 2 years?
Those thunderbolts with different names would still need to be introduced somehow, might as well go with established characters.
>>88724036
>the Avengers getting killed off
Yeah right. We have this huge franchise that makes lots of money, let's just quit now. They're going to continue the Avengers even if Tony and/or Steve are not around anymore, as long as it makes money. Besides, the T-Bolts need time to be introduced as their former villains before them becoming their new identities could work. There are plenty of other ways to do that. Also, as long as the accords are a thing, they couldn't really do anything.

>>88724467
>There are plenty of other ways to do that
To have them "replace" the Avengers for a while in a way that doesn't require it to directly follow Thanos, I meant.

>>88724467
>They're going to continue the Avengers even if Tony and/or Steve are not around anymore
Anon that's precisely what I mean. The OG Avengers will be ded, the new kids probably won't coalesce into the "New" Avengers until whatever crisis hits at the end of Phase 4.
You prove that it'd be a slow process yourself by bringing up the accords.

>>88724467
>Which is why it makes perfect sense to have them in similar roles to Batroc in Winter Soldier [...] might as well go with established characters.
Yeah.
Like Hammer & Tinkerer.
>Why does it have to be in 2 years?
I'm convinced it'll be early Phase 4. Bruhl and Hurt ain't getting any younger.

>>88717981
>There goes all the stuff you could use with the War Bound.
Anon Ruffalo doesn't have enough dates left on his contract to have ever gotten War Bound anyway. There's only so many stories you can fit into one story cycle's lifetime.
By the time Hulk movies are even viable to Marvel, we'll have passed the 8 Year Rule, they'll be able to recast and it'll be fair game again.

>>88724530
Yes, it will be a slow process. They can't show up at the start of phase 4 yet, because they couldn't operate publicly without signing the accords, which they couldn't sign while keeping their identities secret. Also, the members need to be introduced in other movies before they appear in Thunderbolts, so there need to be more movies for them to appear in.

I still don't get how changing the names of the members would change anything about anything except not having the same characters. You'd still have to introduce them just the same, it would still be a surprise for the general audience, it wouldn't be a surprise for comicbook readers either way.

>>88724662
Ah, you're talking about using established MCU characters. Should've said that when you mentioned changing their names. Still don't agree though, I'm not a fan of giving random characters new identities (like Killian as "Mandarin"), so I'd rather not have Hammer as Mach-I or something.

And like I said, early phase 4 is not possible storywise, due to the accords. Also, who'd be the members then? Hammer and Tinkerer is just 2. Who else would be on the team?

>>88711397
>Captain America 4
I have some bad news anon

>>88713588
>it's a "Namor becomes an executive producer of a movie about the FF so he can be closer to Sue" episode
What a weirdo.

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>>88718001
I figure that once business dies down they'll upgrade to the Marvel Cinematic MULTIVERSE and do whatever the fuck they want.
>Want more MCU? Here's a movie about it's latest generation of heroes.
>Want Iron Man remakes? Here's the universe next door, with it's own fresh new Iron Man.
>Want something self-contained? Here's GotG 3000, or Squadron Supreme, or Conan.
etc. etc.

>>88718120
>BY MARVEL STUDIOS
nah

>>88725050
>Conan sequel after Conan sequel made by Marvel & Disney
Not sure if want.

>>88710661
MCU X-Men

>>88718038
I reckon the next few Phases will focus on the novel concepts of Dr Strange, Black Panther & Captain Marvel instead of just jamming in Tony/Cap/Thor expys. Even if they did, they'd most likely be supporting characters.
Give it few years. Maybe Phase 6 will be based around Herc, USAgent & Ironheart.

>>88710697

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>>88718126

>>88723787
Mordo & Loki have better shit to do.
Provided Loki even survives Thanos.

>>88725084
Like I said, self-contained.
There would only be sequels if the first was a big hit.

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>All this talk about Thunderbolts
>yfw pic related is the MCU version of the Thunderbolts

>>88718124

Well there's a new Scooby Doo movie being made that's the first in the Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe, called S.C.O.O.B.

>>88724849
Anon we're getting our streams crossed again; I'm saying that getting the AVENGERS back together would be a slow process. Thunderbolts would be easy as fuck, either they're independent and simply don't play by the rules (since they're bad guys) or they're Ross' brainchild and thus granted wiggle-room (since it's enough that he knows who they are).
>it would still be a surprise for the general audience, it wouldn't be a surprise for comicbook readers either way.
It would be a surprise for both. Introduce Beetle and the web will be inundated with WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THE MCU think pieces. Because it's fucking BEETLE. Why else would anyone bother using that shmuck? And the flood will double/triple/quadruple in size with every other member they introduce.
>so I'd rather not have Hammer as Mach-I or something.
IT'S FUCKING BEETLE
WHAT DO YOU LOSE
I MEAN SERIOUSLY
>Hammer and Tinkerer is just 2. Who else would be on the team?
It'd be nice to see Abomination again, give him some Stark hologram tech and he's a good Atlas.
Insofar Nebula's the only girl villain, which is admittedly unideal.

Tell you what: mostly, I just don't see the fucking point of Beetle & Fixer. They just don't fit in anywhere, especially when the MCU already has two equally-lame villains to hand that serve the same purpose. But there's an Ant-Man movie and a Carol movie between now and then; even if Thunderbolts wasn't a possibility, it would totally make sense for Goliath and Moonstone to be in those movies. Compromise?

>>88725461
Which one's canon?

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>>88713133
dubs confirm the return of best Marvel IP

>>88725461

Would they really do a movie about a team of only white males?

>>88717991
>and yet Hulk has stolen his place as a companion because we need to make him fucking relevant.
Blame the fuckers who couldn't shut up in demanding Planet Hulk. They shouted loud enough to get their own movie.

>>88710697
Nope.

>>88724849
>Still don't agree though, I'm not a fan of giving random characters new identities (like Killian as "Mandarin"),
Indeed. It is already bad enough that some people thought Black Momba of Luke Cage was in Civil War because of the actress playing two roles. Characters really shouldn't have their name changed unless they really become entirely different.

For example, Bucky and Winter Soldier are really two distinct personalities and justifies two names. But I think if you are going to use Justin Hammer, then just call him Justin Hammer. You can give him a code name that is used once or twice, but he really should still be Justin so that the audience know he is meant to be that IM2 guy and not just a recycled actor in a new role.

>>88714589
I love Nostalgia-fags who don't realize the vast majority of shit they jerk off over was shit.

>>88726156

I thought Universal had to say yes to Hulk solo movies.

They probably saw the story idea for Planet Hulk and said "That's nothing like the old Hulk TV show!"

>>88726274
>I thought Universal had to say yes to Hulk solo movies.
You missed the memo? By hiding Planet Hulk in Thor 3, it technically isn't a Hulk solo movie.

>>88718186
>I'm not saying I'm getting sick of it, but the audience hivemind is.
Tell that to Deadpool and Doctor Strange.

>>88726311

I know that, I'm asking if that's Universal's fault. Everyone but them wanted a Planet Hulk movie so the story ended up getting shoved into another movie.

I'm guessing Thor will be replacing Silver Surfer, like Beta Ray Bill did in the animated version.

>>88717918
Just like the industry has burnt out on comedies and war movies and rom coms, right?

>>88726438
>I know that, I'm asking if that's Universal's fault.
Basically, Universal still holds the distribution rights. Marvel has the rights to make a Hulk movie itself, but they are not allowed to distribute it through Disney's channels.

This means if they had made a Hulk solo film then Universal would take a huge cut of the profits. Mouse said screw this, and just make Hulk a guest star.

It is just as well as Hulk can't support a film by himself. Disney is not in a hurry to get the distribution rights back, as they have no direct reason to make official Hulk films anymore.

>>88713357
After GotG, Ant-Man and Doctor Strange, I'm pretty sure that Marvel would easily sell it to normies and outperform Aquaman solo movie.

>>88717494
>Implying Mickey Rourke would come back after the shitstorm after Iron Man 2

>>88726949
Hey I might be a Marvelfag at times, but even I dont want that. Not saying Im a fan of DCEU Arthur (because theyre trying to hard), but I REALLY want a good Aquaman movie and doing Namor would essentially kill that

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>expecting anything else than the original team for a Thunderbolts movie, maybe with a Ghost or Red Hulk cameo

Just look at the marketing machine

>LEGO Avengers, original team
>Avengers Assemble, original team
>comics, original team with Bucky in the same role as Iron Man in GotG
>Hasbro fan poll had both Citizen V and Songbird
>most of the games added Songbird, the most likely candidate for the MC of the movie

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>it's the 2100
>we're on the phase when there are no phases anymore
>everything has been done, including spider-man fighting the wall and marvel's superman visiting gay city
>EXCEPT
>Moon Knight
>"mr feige, everything that marvel ever made has been adapted, except for moon knight. care to explain why?"
>robotic feige starts speaking
>"what? that batman rip-off? forget it. worst superhero ever made. we should have sold him for a couple of burgers when he still had the value of a couple of dollars

I'm exaggerating but moonie will never happen. Movie or TV show. I can bet my right hand on it.

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>>88719097
Seeing Namor and Jim fight in New York would be pretty classic

>>88725031
He is but what's so wrong with that?

>>88725905
I'm just saying they'll do it on AoS and will never have a movie. AoS doesn't really have any living female earth-based villains, except for razors-bolted-to-fingers lady, but nobody wants that.

>>88727802
But Anon, clearly they will make it Marvel's Suicide Squad with Abomination, Klaw, Shocker, Justin Hammer, Batroc and a bunch of other random nobody villains. That's what I keep hearing from all these knowledgeable "fans" and "comicbook readers" on the internet.

>>88728001
Eh, he'll get his Netflix show. I mean, the way it works is basically Loeb goes to Feige to ask "hey, can we use this character?" and if Feige doesn't go "No I have plans for that character" they'll make a TV thing about it, right?.

>>88726260
Nah . As soon as Hollywood went for the "international" market (china) there has been a significant drop in the quality of their film making (especially in the blockbuster department)

Nostalgia wouldn't make sense seeing as I didn't grow up watching these movies but only recently watched them.

I liked cape flicks when they first came out because I enjoyed the characters from the comics. Now that I've seen them i realized that the movies themselves aren't very good.

No offense to people who enjoy them (Chinese people) but they really aren't for me anymore

>>88727649
Aquaman's coming out before Namor will even appears in an MCU movie dude.

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>>88727802
>>88729240
The team they're marketing is Atlas, MACH-1, Techno, Meteorite and Songbird.
You can slap those suits on anyone.

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>>88728001
>everything has been done, including spider-man fighting the wall and marvel's superman visiting gay city
>EXCEPT
>Moon Knight

>>88729187
AoS is dead dude.

>>88710697
>>88714589
Hey, just don't watch them.
I enjoy this ride.

>>88710661
I'm guessing something to do with the Avengers going "missing"/"presumed dead".

Thunderbolts
Young Avengers
New Avengers
Runaways

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>>88730224
>New Avengers
>It's Hickman's Illuminati with Fascist Carol instead of Namor

>>88727802
Songbird was also in the first wave of Tsum Tsum that are characters they are planning to push, some of them will be in that New Warriors show.

>>88710697
Don't be a cuck

>>88725461
Gimp man?