HYWC/ How's Your Webcomic #252

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>>88710099
Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'starlinemike' and they'll add you in.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

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reminder to
>ignore shitposts
>actually discuss amongst each other
>practice your fundamentals

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>tfw want to collab as a writrr with an artist to make a webcomic
>tfw no one is going to take a risk like that
>tfw I don't blame them

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>>88710204
arent there sites for that and vice versa?
though the best thing would be to pick up drawing on your own

have you thought about everything else that goes with having a partner?

anyone else get really inspired by things and suddenly have ideas for really cool characters?

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Now that I don't need to give a texture to the story, I'm switching to digital ink, mostly. I've not decided yet which brush to use. The one I'm currently using is too clean and a bit blurred.

On other news, I hate hands.

>>88710682
Wow, exporting my image from CMYK to compressed jpg really is a bad idea. I need to change my color space.

>>88710682
have you tried using a small hard round brush?
shading b&w could help with that mature harsh look
id like to know the context of this but so far
>the extreme detail in the faces and the rest of the comic is a bit jarring
>not sure what hes holding in the second panel
your hands are actually pretty nice senpai

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>>88710803
>have you tried using a small hard round brush?
>shading b&w could help with that mature harsh look
That's actually a good idea. I was going to try the pencil brush (which has a texture), but I have a round, small, very hard brush that leaves a bit of... I don't know... dirt, excess ink behind. I was planing on shading with colour, but I guess I can try shading with flat black, like comics always did.

>>the extreme detail in the faces and the rest of the comic is a bit jarring
Right. I'll give more detail to other stuff.

>not sure what hes holding in the second panel
Believe it or not, it's a shaving machine.

>your hands are actually pretty nice senpai
Much appreciated. I sweat each time I have to draw them.

This is a former page. I made it with markers, scanned it, and then cleaned it. I added some paper texture over all the layers in the end. All the pages are going to have that. I think it helps making the digital colors more.. warm.

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>>88710993
maybe black and color shading then? pic related
your colors are pretty dull, maybe its lack of contrast in value, saturation and hue? the black can help with that too

>i sweat each time
i know. fuck hands they have no right to be the most difficult thing to draw

the texturing sure does give it the nostalgic feel of looking through the old classic comics

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>>88710099
close! This is thread #336

reposting because end of last thread

>>88711187
I'll try to put a bit more of contrast (in general) in my drawings.

John cleese video for future reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EMj_CFPHYc

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anon once suggested that i head over to /qst/ and try interactive storytelling for experience before my own. is this any good? i want to use a simple, loose style for that

>>88711260
your paneling is quite confusing
especially the last three, no idea what happened
i like where your art is going, the faces are like old anime. do more funds though. always.

>>88711345
just my two cents senpai

>>88711460
reminds me of how one theory is that creativity is a form of madness

>>88711561
oh and still sketching this faggot of course >>88711510
pls no bully about lighting, it sucks at home

>>88711561
>confusing paneling
aw shit, I was worried about that. It was already so damn many panels for something so quick, but actually expressing it was hard. and as it is, I was having trouble coming up with how this is going to work
basically her gashapon capsule gets picked up and put into a freezing chamber, she sees her breath and realizes that maybe if she mixed heat and cold she could get some kind of rain to happen (like it does in the atmosphere), and.. yknow, liquid water isn't good for electronics
but it doesn't work right away, then it occurs to her to try prying up a panel on the floor, exposing it to the water.. and it just shorts out and some kind of emergency hatch opens. I realized right at the end there wouldn't BE a door on it, but some kind of access sure.

next comic (by which I mean 3 more from now) she'll be in the bowels of the ship and then back into the hallway looking into other rooms.
anyway I'm glad you like the faces. One thing I'm really seeing in my new larger canvases, aside from the smoother lines (the intended reason) is there's a lot more room for facial variation now. When your pupils are 2 pixels wide you can't really make them grow or shrink, yknow?

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Since the webcomic threads are no longer a thing, I'll post this here.

Working on a webcomic series on my spare time from work. Working on the first five pages and waiting to upload them all at once first then the next pages one at a time.

Pic related is the first page.

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>>88711693
Been super slow on this. Barely did much since last webcomic thread. But I want to start working on it more when the new year starts as my resolution.

Page 4/5 preview.

>>88711561
Those are to worthy cents. I wish I could help you with your question, but I don't know anything about /qst/, but if it's like the old text adventures we used to do in /m/, it probably is quite entertaining. They probably don't ask for detailed art, just fast and expressive for the purpose of ilustrate the quest.

>>88711587
That's... cure. I like it. Reminds me of Ghibli's style, for some reason.

>>88711693
>Since the webcomic threads are no longer a thing
what?
anyway nice lighting here. good art. one prob, you seem to be holding shift while you type to get comic-standard all-caps... but it's turning your apostrophes into quotes, m8

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>>88711757
screencap of my page 2.

>>88711800
I meant "cute".

>>88711805
Was copying what I posted in a /wya/, sorry. Last night someone made a thread making it sound like they were banded now but it doesn;t seem like the case anymore.

And thanks, and the type was the default with the apostrophies, but I'm using a different font for the finished pages when I upload them onto my site.

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ill be away for a bit. dont you fuckers let this die, or derail

>>88711665
practice storytelling without words senpai, thatd help. also all that dialogue isnt really necessary as well if you show it good

>>88711693
>>88711757
noice, you got some great motion in there
careful with talk boxes, its left to right, THEN up to down, so i fucked up reading it right from the first panel

>>88711777
glad i could help then.
> just fast and expressive
thats why i wanted to go loose and messy for this. if it makes sense and looks cute, thats good enough for the job

>>88711800
>cute
thanks senpai
>...
but theres something wrong i take it?

>>88711839
i dont know but i think it was more or less the threads went to shit and kept dying

>>88712136
>but theres something wrong i take it?
Nope.

Keep in mind that I'm not a native speaker and I may fail at translating into English words my intention.

>>88711693
>>88711757
>>88711806
KEEP IT UP, I can SEE your potential ol chap, I believe in you.

>>88712136
that's good advice! I've been thinking about that lately... if maybe they're a little too chattery about something obvious.
In Riven's case though she's too cerebral not to talk her way through everything she does. It's important we know which gears are turning in her head.. of course I could draw a picture of her thoughts!
Which, oddly enough, is exactly what I have planned in the comic I'm starting on today.. lots of thoughts to make a point about how something's being figured out

>>88710099
>HYWC/
>not /HYW/
>How's Your Webcomic
>not How's Your Webcomic?
It's time for you to kill yourself.

>>88712354
Aw thanks!

>>88711693
I really dislike the captions, they look like Windows 3.1 prompts. Lettering is really important and needs to be minimal. Make them white or black and possibly change the font

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Here is my shitty little comic's prologue. This surprisingly took me longer than I expected to finish

http://vidyadeparted.tumblr.com/post/143519142838/first
and here it is on Tapastic in case you don't wanna go on the main site I have
https://tapastic.com/episode/517704

I have been working on this inbetween life stuff for a couple months now, so you can easily tell that I have improved my art over these past couple months. I genuinely hate the look of the first 15ish pages, but I'm not gonna redo them because it isn't worth it.

Tell me what you think though. Is it god awful or somehow kindof decent?

>>88712812
If I changed the color of the font, it'll clash with the blue boxes. I'm going to be using a new font since I wasn't sure at the time what specific font I needed and would fit.

>>88712477
That's not worth niggling over
the number being off by over 80, maybe

>>88712843
>choice between a tumblr and a tapastic
well you've set the tumblr up pretty well, so I guess I'll bookmark that. Glad you have something beyond that imgur link to share now.
I've got nothing new to say about it since last time but despite not being super into the art, I'm still gonna add it to my list.. because I like the writing and the concept is kinda neat

>>88713163
I'm still working on this comic, but I'm making sure I can do scenery better and also have the entire chapter planned out before I actually do any of the art
If I ever finish the first part of the first chapter I'll post it in these threads

>>88712347
oh ok then

>>88712372
fair enough

>>88712477
the old threads were always like that iirc, ill change it then for next. but >>88712992 is right
brb getting a noose
what number did you guys leave off on?

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>>88710682
>>88711561
Ok, let's see if I'm going in the right direction.

I suck balls big time when it comes to inking. I mean, I'm quite decent at shading with traditional media, gradient shading, buuuuuuuuuuuuut I cannot do it for my life when I try to make flat shadows.

>>88714423
the last one was #335
next one will be #337
use of anything within /these things/ has never been standard.

>>88712843
the character designs are my favorite part, theyre so intriguing. however you should really really practice basic forms to flesh them out more. and maybe cel-shading, the airbrush is kinda bland
the first page is quite dull, but i like the humor once past that
ramp up the art and youve probably got yourself a nice looking comic

>>88714657
yes senpai! this is much better

>>88714670
ok thanks, been away for a long time

>>88714832
Great!

I was wondering, we could use these threads to share webcomics we like, or comic pages we like, or something like, or art that inspires us.

I guess it's clear as day that I read a lot of manga, for example. Like YAS style quite a lot, even if I cannot imitate it. Clean, simple, easy to read.

>>88714945
if it's specifically within the context of inspiring you, and how you'd like to learn their techniques, then I don't see why not
but it's not just a fangushing about webcomics thread

>>88714945
i dont see why not, just be careful to to get too off the point
posting art that inspires us seems like a great idea in a lot of ways

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Special guest update

Comic is SaffronComic.com

>>88715072
tell me about guest comics
how do they work?

>>88715072
ha, ees funny because just like their usual lives but different!
>>88715148
It can take a number of forms. most commonly the artist wants to go on a little break so they invite people to do guest comics for them. I often feel like I want to do these, but alas, it's really hard unless you've been reading something for years, to be really confident in writing the characters, even if it just amounts to a wee fanfic.
other times it can be unsolicited fanart in the form of a comic that the author still wants to feature
sometimes they put their own characters in as guests, do some kind of crossover...

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Ok then.

So why I like Yas? He's pretty cool at visual storytelling. I don't have a digital version of any of his manga here, but you can google his name (Yasuhiko Yoshikazu). He's a big name in Japan because he was a reference in the animation industry since late 70/ early 80s. He knows how to guide the reader through simple panels, and knows how to mix history, drama, comedy and sci fi in his stories (well, not all them: he doesn't mix history and sci fi). I like that he can get work and look great simple, non detailed character designs (probably because he's mostly an animator, and that was really an important matter in the past). And I like how he uses colour too. Overall, it's an artist I like quite a lot. He may not be impressive, but I really like his skills as a whole.

>>88715148

My main artist is on Christmas vacation, so I have my flatter doing bonus comics so that I have content. This isn't really a "guest" comic, because I wrote it and Threnn was paid a regular page rate. (And its canon nature is kind of ambiguous).

Often guest comics are paid, either with money or more commonly with an informal "cover me this week and I'll do one for you if need it" kind of deal

>>88715311
>not having a huge buffer to be able to take some off time without a break in your comic

Why even live with yourself?

>>88716004
hard enough being on time

>>88716022
It isn't if you plan ahead and don't spend too much time overworking your pages.

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>>88715365
oh damn hes good
i think i can see where you draw from him, with the ease in ease out coloring

as for me, i have an entire folder of pics but heres one. i have a thing towards messy art. its loose, and effortless looking. things that id like to work on, which is why the style i use for this is so different from my regular stuff

>>88716628
I like some messy styles too, but I'm usually so naturally inclined to fix and clean my mistakes that I cannot work a messy, gesture-like style for myself.

>>88716253
not without ceasing to update. It takes one update-period to finish a comic (ideally. sometimes longer)

How long have your comics been going, guys?
How much longer do you plan to go?

>>88716948
>I'm usually so naturally inclined to fix and clean my mistakes that I cannot
exactly. partly why im attracted to it i think. and also why i push myself to lean more towards that

Any /co/ approved 'how to draw' books? I've got Keys to Drawing, and I'm working on some online stuff too, but psychologically speaking, I do much better when learning from books so I'd like a hard copy of another thing or two.

>>88717486
>how long
coming up on 15 years for the franchise as a whole, just passed 9 on this specific iteration..
>how much longer?
trying to wrap it up in under another year, but I'll do another iteration after that.. already have characters and plots in mind.

>>88717087
>It takes one update-period to finish a comic (ideally. sometimes longer)

But why?

I supposed the amount of time would matter here. People seem to average once a week here and I can't imagine spending that long even if it's only 2 hours a night, to finish a page.

>>88717656
Oh yeah good point, I could choose to update weekly and then I'd build up a buffer.
but I feel like bi-weekly is an absolute minimum to keep interest in a story

>>88717591
>15 years
holy shit senpai

>iteration
like a spin-off?

>>88717672
once you have your buffer your set and can go back to building a fanbase

>>88717736
>spin-off
I used to say 'sequel' but it's whatever DBZ is to dragon ball
but I'm not going to keep with the whole 'little sisters and descendants of previous cast' thing next time. It gets a little too 'oh hey we know your dad he sure did do a thing just like we're hoping you'll do'
also thinking it's going to take place largely slightly further south than where most of this has been, so as not to retread even more. also have a plot in mind to shake up the area at large (which I neglected to ever name. That's going to be a plot point)

how much should I charge to do a cover of a creator owned series that gets sold at cons?

>>88718158
I reckon you treat it like you would any commission. The fact that it's going to be published doesn't change how much your art is worth.

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>>88710204
a/s/l?
is this just a hobby or semi serious?
what is your favorite genre?
your favorite setting?
what do you expect of me?

should HYW and WOYA combine?
i mean, they have trouble keeping up on their own and much of the discussions intersect

>Get really fucking into a comic
>they introduce a goddamned pronoun character
god fucking shitcrusting dammit. I really liked this. it was something I wanted

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>>88714832
I've realized over time that my biggest strength is making characters. I'm trying to play to my strengths a little more than everything else, but that prologue is not a good example honestly.
I have a good 25 or more characters that are gonna be shown sooner or later in this thing, and I'm planning ahead to make this thing as good as I can at the moment

>>88710204

Just draw it badly. Every artist has their own story to tell.

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finished this page!

>>88719157

Needs a better font and better bubbles.

>>88718621
>25 or more characters
whoa thats a lot, be careful with juggling them. also you might want to think about combining characters to be more rounded
might i ask where youre going storywise?

>>88719157
>>88719223
yeah. the last time you used it you said this was just a practice page for your new tablet, but seriously that's a major step down from how you were doing the text before.
the art also looks like it's taken a major hit, there's much less confidence than before, the lines are all jagged, the anatomy is nowhere.. you were doing a lot better before. Are you just having trouble getting used to the new tablet? or was it a new program, I forget

other than that, I'm giggling. the writing's still good.

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>>88719259
>also you might want to think about combining characters to be more rounded
Surprisingly, I have already done that with a lot of characters. Just today I've been trying to form some of them together and make them a little better. Off the top of my head, I think like 8 or so characters have been taken out because of me not liking them designwise and characterwise.

>might i ask where youre going storywise?
The whole gist of where I'm going is a bunch of big stories told by multiple groups of people. It's a video game so there are a bunch of friend groups and clans ans whatnot. I'm trying to make all the characters entertaining and personalized in some distinct way from each other, and it's my favorite part of making this comic.
Basically a slice of life but with a continuous story of stupid losers with stupid problems.

>>88719157
I don't know why but this whole scene made me smile. You seem to enjoy making this comic a lot and that makes me smile even more. Keep at it dewd

>>88719303
>>88719223
Yeah, my old comp was 2 years old, so I thought that I should get good with this before my old one goes kapoot.

But if there is like, an actual page that I want to have some sort of impact, then I will go back to the old computer and bust out the old tools.

But yeah, this is basically training right now.

Also It does annoy me with how the lines are so shaky and I don't know if I'm gonna change how I do those. But I have already thought that through and decided that the second part of the West Tree story will be in a new style.. maybe, I dunno.

But yeah, it's nice that my writing is still good! Thanks guys!

>>88719303
>>88720072
>the writing's still good
TOP KEK

All the competent artists and writers left /hyw/ because they don't want to be associated with retards like these.

This is why Discord chat is superior. We can simply get rid of undesirable people.

>>88717562
How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way is pretty good for learning the basics of making a good comic page

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I'm thinking about making a slight change to my main character design, once she dons her default outfit. Previously I planned her to wear sandals and ditch/pack them when turning into a rat, but that seems like too much busywork. Especially if she switches forms by accident. I think footguards like these could work for both short elf toes and long rat ones, and they fit the fantasy thief theme.
I don't want her to walk barefoot all the time, because it seems both impractical and too fetishy.

i dont like drawing panels and i can only draw with 1px pencil tool

can/should i continue like this

>>88721456
I think it'll only seem fetishy if you put emphasis on them. Closeup shots of her bare muddy soles, etc. But I agree in that those footguards look suitable

>>88721457
>i can only draw with 1px pencil tool
??

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I'm unemployed now so...

I started doing my Brandon and Ralph shenanigan again.

Does anyone have a guide on webcomic hosting sites? I have an account on tapas but I just wanna see other options.

>>88723005
Nobody wants your sonic OC furry shit

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>>88721512
Settled then.
I should get on with the next page now. I'm almost at chapter end.

>>88718542
That's how pronoun people feel about the comic right now, I'm sure. Is it off-hand or do they make a big issue out of it?

>>88719157
Dog. Come on, are you even trying?

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>>88711806
WIP of page 2. Man I am slow....

>>88721292
Geez, when did DIO become a webcomic artist.

>>88725959
>ebin jojog reberence
Shut the fuck up.

>>88710204
Are you wanting to write your own projects, or just flex your brain muscles for someone else's?

>>88723005
no sound effects?

>>88724012
i really like this design. not even a footfag just looks cool

>>88718542
>pronoun people
what, like trans or nonbinary and shit?

>>88725829
how do i into perspective senpai?
i look at books and tutorials but im too retarded to comprehend

>>88727993
Well there is this book called perspective made easy. The best and easiest way to understand perspective.

It's for scenery, but you can apply it as well to people if you set up perspective lines. You can use lines to heights and dimensions for other people or objects within backgrounds to know how they are placed and heightened at in places on a picture.

>>88721292
And as this anon said >>88719656
>You seem to enjoy making this comic a lot and that makes me smile even more. Keep at it dewd
It's about the pleasure of making a comic because you have an affinity for it.

I can criticize ONE's art all I want, however, it doesn't mean Mob Psycho 100 is horrible in anyway because he compenstate for it by being good at storytelling.

And,
>muh superiority
Someone may think the same of you in Discord

>draw a comic for 13 years with no readers
>have no friends
>actively fight improvement
>cheerlead for the dewd
>take off tripcode regularly so people can't filter you away
It must suck being coldfusion. I almost feel sorry for him.

>>88725978
Gotta be 18 years old to use 4chan, Negan.

>>88728278
>because he compenstate for it by being good at storytelling
If you actually think his grade school tier copying of popular tropes is good by any stretch, you are as retarded as he is. Really wish there was a compiled list of all the shit he tried to blatantly rip off.

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>>88728329
>cheerlead for the dewd
>he never reciprocates

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>>88727844
I'm still making the page

>>88729998
why bother

>>88719157
the font in the bubbles and the bubbles themselves don't look right, and the background is really stale and boring looking, apply some texture or something

>>88721456
ooh I like those. Though they seem like an odd form of cobblery to exist outside of Third Earth. barefoot has medieval peasant-legitimacy but I like these so fuckin go with it.
>>88723005
the things flying by are a bit too indistinct to tell what they are, which is a shame because otherwise I can follow this pretty well. reminds me of Tokyo Pig

>>88727844
Yeah, that.
>>88725117
Just offhand I guess, but it takes me RIGHT out of the story. For one thing, the preferred pronoun is used by a character before he even met 'them.' For another, these aren't teenagers here. They're in their fucking 30s.
Whatever, I don't need to make a huge deal out of it, but I can't keep reading it now. And this is the third time this has happened (last one was The Black Bull of Norroway. It's even LESS welcome in an oldtimey fantasy.)

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>>88730915
how do you feel about they/them characters that arent trans or nonbinary?
like characters with ambiguous gender/sex?
or ones without a sex?
aliens or angels or just a really weird mysterious person and shit
imo i like those

>>88731593
Supernatural or fantastic characters without gender are fine, but you certainly don't use "them" instead of "he" or "she" or even "it", though. Unless you want to push this particular agenda.

>>88731593
angels, robots, and snails are fine.

>>88731809
This. I know it's retarded and hypocritical to get offended or triggered by words, but those words still add a tone and feel that are undivorceable from this weird (and almost certainly soon to be dated) neologistic thinking.
If the characters using it are that type, then I might still be able to appreciate it from a very real-life period-accurate perspective.

>>88731809
>>88731889
i guess someone going "what the hell is this? fuck it, its a girl now" would be the more common thing to do in that scenario
i figured realistically its half and half between that and using "they/them/it/name". i mean, people do it already "cute dog, whats it's name?" or some shit

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>unironically endorsing a degenerate mental illness pushed upon an unsuspecting populace by a small group of people with a vested interest to exploit them

>>88732068
Hell, people used to call babies 'it' on a regular basis. Mind, that was back when babies died on a regular basis.

all I know is nameks never had any trouble being called kare instead of kanojo, even though they're sexless snail-aliens that lay eggs. Having masculine body types helped I suppose, but.. fuckit, snailiens.

>>88732141
now that you mention it i do recall my cousin stationed in germany mentioning that germans have 3 pronouns or something and that babies are sexless
guess this is one of those things that really depend on your world-building

>>88730915
>it takes me RIGHT out of the story
on that note, what else takes you right out of a story, personally or otherwise, /hyw/?

>>88730915
Well what comic was it?

>>88732424
Basically anytime someone's meant to be from another time or another universe, and they suddenly hold some value or attitude that earmarks it as strictly modern, right here, right now. The moment I stopped bothering to read Misfile was when the clueless second angel, the one who's super naive about things like gambling or lying or almost anything to do with modern life, is talking about teen pregnancy like a guidance counselor, rather than the herald of a deity whose incarnation was almost certainly a teen pregnancy, whose chosen people have a bar mitzvah at 13.
If you're going to have a comic with a variety of people from different places, they should have different ideas and values. It doesn't mean the comic needs to be nonstop bickering or issuefaggotry, it just means you've gotta be able to see past the end of your nose and not make everyone and everything sound identical and just agree constantly.

Can anyone rec colored webcomics that are done traditionally? Preferably watercolor. Im thinking of doing it for mine but I'm worried the quality isn't as nice as digitally colored stuff and just wanna see some examples.

>>88731593
I use neutral pronouns for the gods in my comic bc it just makes sense for me I guess

>>88733246
Plus gods refer to themselves individually in the plural all the time, it's a thing that implies vastness and/or royalty, so they're okay.
>>88733182
Our very own native son whatsisname does amazing watercolor painted comics. It's about different kinds of reapers in the afterlife and I feel like a dumb for not remembering the name, but I'm bad with titles. Stick around long enough and he'll post

>>88733379
Vigor Mortis, that was it. It's a great title!

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>>88733182
This artist is pretty good at watercolor and she has a lot of content posted.
http://www.weibo.com/1835883650/profile?topnav=1&wvr=6

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>>88733182
minus was done in watercolor

>>88733645
gay as fuck

>>88734086
No, Anon, gay is fucking a guy's dick with your asshole like you like to do. Minus is awesome.

>>88734161
don't kid yourself it's gay as fuck

>>88734235
>Cute loli everywhere
>Dark sense of humor
>Larry motherfucking Fine
yeah no I think I'm going to have to disagree

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Hey bros,
I'm redrawing my comic because it hasn't aged so good - planning to get 30 pages done in the next 6 months. Anybody got some good tutorials/resources I should look at to improve?

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>>88732734
shit yeah that bothers me a lot too actually

>>88733645
this is really cute

>>88735024
/ic/ has a good sticky on resources
drawabox
conceptcookies' tutorials
ctrlpaint
youtube artists livestreams help me sometimes

>>88735620
I'll check those out, thanks.

>>88735620

Personally I watch Sycra and JazzaDraws on YouTube for art tips.

Also, not an educational on, but Drawfee is fun.

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>>88710099

Hey guys, looks like everyone's keeping busy.

If anyone has some time, a new chapter of Boys Land has been updated for this month.
Check it out! Let me know your thoughts

http://boysland.thewebcomic.com/archive/#ch_95856

>>88735905
thats some clean linework senpai, process?

>>88725829
Caught your ad on facebook you fuckin dickhead , awesome shit .

>>88732115
>ironically describing /pol/

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>>88736020
Thanks anon!

I hope you don't mind it all mashed into this one image, but I work really fast for the thumbs in 144 DPI, then I sketch everything at 300 DPI, ink it then tone and shrink it down to 144 DPI again to export.

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>tfw your comic is shit and languishing and you want to lash out at something but you realize the fault lies within

>>88736134
Ad? I don't use any Facebook ads or anything, but... thanks?

>>88736527
thats why I dropped out of art school and went into finance. had no confidence in my art and realize I could at least live comfortably with money

money doesn't help, it still hurts

>>88736527
Deep as fuck and totally relatable ,mah nigga keep it up! Atleast your good at posting

>>88735905
Wow you're really cranking these out.
I don't understand the way all the word bubbles are connected when two people are talking, but it's not hard to figure out who's talking so no big deal
I love some of the language here.. like 'outbraved'
I feel like 'banandits' works better than bananadits, but either way I love their design. This is so damn marketable

>>88736567
>had no confidence
ya blew it

>>88736546
I swear I saw one on facebook how the fuck did that happen if you didn't put it there????? Am I missing something

>>88736653
What did it say? Do you even know what title this is?

I don't do ad stuff or anything since 1.) I don't know how to do it, but 2.) I wasn't going to publish anything until I have several pages finished.

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>>88736586

You're right that the name does roll off the tongue a bit better. I'll consider it.
I'm still working on the bubbles, especially clever ways to have conversations bubbles break up so its not blocks of text at time.

But thank you very much for your opinions. Maybe one day it'll sell? For now I'm happy if people read it haha.

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>>88736527
dont take me there before i even start senpai

>>88736375
being mashed into one image is actually the best way to do it anyways
thanks senpai

>want to do flashbacks
>check old comics to keep everything consistent
>in the process, realize you've been inconsistent all along
Next time i give people siblings I am making their age gap a lot smaller, I tell you what.

>>88738141

Holy shit yeah, flashbacks are great but you almost have to plan it in advance. Or else you realize you fucked your own continuity and have to create a plot hole in the process.

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this is one of some english strips that I made (from spanish). I only have facebook page because in my country webcomics from sites or tumblr arent popular

yawn

>>88711693
>>88725829
>>88711757
Not trying to be an attention whore, but I'm curious what you guys think I should improve on with these pages so far, whether composition, storytelling, coloring, etc.

I literally have almost no other friends who are into comics, movies, or anything storytelling related.

>>88740613
it's really hard to say since nothing has started yet. obviously I don't know what's going on or what any of it means, but I feel like within the next few pages, I will.
the art is absolutely superb, that much we have at least.

>>88740613
right off the bat

>>88711693
great first page, intro really pulls you in

>>88711757
sound effects?

>>88725829
with how warm the lighting is on them, maybe itd be better to use cooler colors for shading/shadows

>>88740775
>with how warm the lighting is on them, maybe itd be better to use cooler colors for shading/shadows

Gotcha, I'll ass more darker blues and purples to have better shadow contrasts.

>>88740738
I don't want to reveal the concept yet til the pages are finished and out and make a website for it, copyright and stuff, just afraid someone of taking my ideas since I worked hard to have this all planned out before making it.

And thanks!

>>88740775
Also, honeslty I'm not into sound effects. Never was.

Never noticed them ever when reading comics, just feels it covers the art which I hate. I hear the effects in my head when I read the action that's going on in the page, and I'm sure others can do the same.

>>88740858
you've already published it here, so you're fine. nobody could steal it faster than you're making it
but I'd still rather wait anyway and see it as it comes out. It just means there won't be much to say yet

>>88740882
bold. I prefer my SFX not to overlap the art, but I still want some. At least something to indicate sound is being generated, like impact lines and such

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Disappearing for half a month is like the worst thing you can do as an artist, but I was busy with school.
But anyways, I'm back! How does this look?

>>88741155
these are just the rough colors, right? because they're pretty rough, and this really amazing scene begs for a bit more polish

>>88741260
coloring is my weakest skill, so understanding what exactly needs polish is difficult for me

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>>88741155
Majestic

>>88741319
well hold up, can you show me that train-station picture again? I vaguely remember it being done a lot better

basically the smudges of different shades dont seem to correspond to any actual features (for example those lines on the rock, the lines of tile and whatnot on the building, the road on the broken piece of street) it's all really nice from a distance, but up close it just looks like it was done in haste with a marker

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>>88741376
I think this scene was better because the environment was more structured, and indoors. Painting outside with rockfaces, cliffsides, and ruined buildings is what throws me off.
Also the unusual angle of the light, where I want the forward face dark enough as to convey the proper shadows, but not too dark where you can't see anything. Maybe I'm approaching it the wrong way though, maybe it needs stronger contrasts

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New update of Legend of the Hare! Jill is oddly forgiving

>>88741515
I hear that. I think the contrast level is fine given that the overall light level is surely meant to be quite low, so the viewer's eye would have adjusted
In the future, you might try coloring it first then adding in the cliff-jaggedy lines, ALONG the streaks of color. I've done that before. Works pretty nicely

>>88741534
oh man, I had forgotten how much trouble she was in and how desperately she needed another teleporty egg thing

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Finished this page! hopefully this is a better font.

>>88741551
alright, I'll give it another shot.
I think I remember that I already tried something similar to what you said (when I started the page a month ago), but I wasn't sure of what I was doing. Like I said, its intimidating

>>88741619
way better font. now I'd make it a little bigger.
whoa we're back to silver eye anna. or maybe we were already, I forget.

So what is different about your setup now? maybe it's possible we can help

>>88741657
Yeah, Annabeth has been grey eyed since chapter 15, or, at least, I hope he has.

But yeah, my set up is basically just drawing on a screen, using a program called Medibang Paint Pro.

>>88741844
same one as before? I know you mentioned something changed.

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Not that the thread is still alive, and just in case the anon who helped me is interested in see how this is advancing, I'll post my work today. Not much to tell: I barely did any work, but at least the 3 first panels are done.

Dewd, align your panels, mate. Doesn't take a lot of effort and the comic would gain quite a lot from doing so.

And yes, your font needs to be bigger. Google fonts has a lot of fine, free, readable fonts, take them a look.

>>88738507
That's cute.

So I take it you don't have a profile in Subcultura. right? It's the only webcomic Spanish website I know. It could interest you, maybe. Not sure.

>>88740882
fair enough

>>88741985
yo, nice senpai
my only real qualm now is the razor in the third panel. id complete the lines on it since it look rather ambiguous (like a slingshot). itd really cement the context

>>88741569

I'm unduly proud of myself for setting up a plot point and then resolving it like originally intended

>>88742365
I used to try doing shit like that. It was even a similar trinket. by the time I brought it back I had forgotten entirely what it even was.

>>88742322
Oh, I'll finish the lines better. Also, I'll put more detail on it. Now I see that the thing is too flat compared to the other panels.

To be honest, it's not the razor. The whole page is the (more normal) daily routine of this dude, from when he wakes up to when he leaves his home, early in the morning. He's just getting some of his stuff from his room.

You're being quite helpful, anon. Thanks a bunch.

>finally got a new computer and tablet
Maybe I'll finally do that comic thing. Or maybe I won't.

Keep drawing, you nerds.

>>88741891
The one I used before was Clip Studio Pro.

>>88743343
don't bother

>>88743343
get a lot of practice in first. it can take a while to get used to a new tablet but holy crap it's worth it once you do
>>88743348
wel not to punch a horse in the mouth, but have you considered sticking with clip studio? It sure comes highly reccommended in these threads and your results were a lot better. Does this medibang program have any advantages?

>>88743567
Well, the pen that came with the computer, I'm not sure if it has pen pressure on non app store products, because when I tried the pen out on flash it has no pen pressure, so I don't want to risk wasting money buying clip studio again if that happens.

But Medi bang is very VERY similar to paint studio.

Also funny story, right when I was on the last pannel for the page I found out where the stabilization for the pens are, so I can promise that there will be more confident lines in the future.

Also It's the only app I could find that had layers and It's free.

>>88743706
what the f-
this tablet you're drawing on is a tablet computer?
why in god's name would anyone- why would you even buy

yknow what, washing my hands of it

>>88743741
I got it for christmas, It's pretty nice!

>>88743772
alright ima just letchu experiment. your whole comic has been about playing, experimenting, and seeing what comes out. best not to get too invested.

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Something You Want updated twice.
https://tapastic.com/series/Something-You-Want
http://somethingyouwant.tumblr.com

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>>88744656

So, writing up the website for a short comic here, how the fuck do people come up with alttext? I've known these pages for years and yet I've never considered additional jokes.

>>88744873
Just think of a quip having to do with the page. Improvise.

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>>88710099

Ahem. Hey everybody, im working on a new page 1 for my FATES CHAOS project coming soon exclusively to line webtoons next year. So I probably cant post a finished page here but wips are ok I think? Maybe crop'd previews of the finished page to? I dont know yet.

This page has a shit load of errors I will fixed before I color it and make it look super professional and stuff.

The first panel needs more details before I color it though, there needs to be a coffee pot on the bottom left hand corner and a make shift desk lamp made of a candle with an angled knife over it reflecting light onto Fera's biography she is writting which is also the tittle of this webcomic, she will be narrating through all 12 chapters of this first arch where silver tongue is the main chaotic bad guy, second ark is lord Xi-Xu, the mad king, and the third ark involves werewolves.

Its a sci-fi western, but I want to introduce the sci-fi very very slowly but by the end of the first ark it will be a full blown sci-fi western!

>>88710522

1. Who the fuck are you?
2. You people """"pretend"""" to hate me even though i know yo really dont because some of you are driven to pretend to be me, so come on now. Yall aren't fooling anyone
3. To answer you question, no that never happens to me because everything I do is 100% original and if i get inspired by something i make fa art of it, not inject it into my own original story's.

>>88715072
>>88733645

cool stuff

>>88735024
Body anatomy is great but the faces dont match the bodies at all. Did you trace the bodies and freestyle the faces? Love the monster designs.

>>88741515
>>88741534

more awesome stuff, good job yall!

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>>88746004
You should rework your perspective in the first panel.
It's essentially a 1 point perspective (though to the side), but the lines go all over the place, and many don't even meet on the same horizon line, let alone vanishing point, despite the objects being parallel to each other.
My suggestion: Do a rough sketch of how you want the scene to look, then draw the horizon line (based on the eye level of the "camera") and based on the sketch, seek out the vanishing point based on the outmost lines of your sketch, then follow it religiously, at least to build the bigger structures.

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Comic time takes forever to get to the good parts. I have so many ideas and I can't wait to visit them all (if I can get to it).

It's like an emotional rollercoaster inside me that wants to go up and down from serious to light hearted.

>>88744656
>>88744671
looking good senpai, like how effortless it looks on how you draw them
you mighr want to dabble in lineweight and/or shading, even the most minimalist changes would really make the focus pop and pages look interesting from even afar

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>>88746277

aw shit. Your right :/

Welp, thats going to take forever to fix, unless my colors look so bad ass in the finished page the fucked up perspective wont matter at all...

I can only hope because unlike all my other webcomic pages ive done before this one, and ive done hundreds, maybe even a thousand webcomic pages before this one. have all been done in 4 hours or less

but now, since i really want that 2000 dollars a month from having an exclusive webcomic on line webtoons you cant post anywhere else, im forcing myself to spend a few days at a time on a page

this is my second day working on this page but if i wanted to i could do this entire page fully colored and every thing in 4 hours or less, im that good and that fast! but its the principle of the matter, if i really want my webcomic to stand out from everyone elses on line webtoons im going to have to force myself to work slower on spend more time on each page than ive ever spent on a page in my entire life ya know?

again your right, and i might fix it.... unless the colors look so good i wont need to...

This extreme highlight on the candle, light, and fera's book wont be in the finished page... its just an example of what i was talking about here: >>88746004

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>>88746656

finished line art? its ready for colors now, lots of bricks and floor wood paneling and carpet and landscapes outside the door window and normal window will be painted in
also wallpaper in both top and bottom panel

its going to look amazing when its done!

oh ad lots of fire is going to be painted in for the candle and the coffee stove table combination

i might paint in a gun powder keg and a cup for Fairune who is sitting by Collins jail cell... dont know yet

i think i did pretty good on the little drawing of Fera's face in the newspaper as the first female sheriff ever... like in the whole world lol

>>88746598
damn that looks pretty good, good job!

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>>88746277
anon i see you are new here

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>>88748144

>posting a meme and art from over 4 years ago

mfw

>over 4 years
>still thinks he is a pro
>still ignore criticism
>still at beginner level
>still thinks we are jealous

>>88742475
>not the razor
oh shit kek i was wondering why it suddenly changed, thats quite a jump, or maybe i was just being silly
>You're being quite helpful, anon. Thanks a bunch.
no problem. knowing i helped at least a bit makes my day.

>>88746598
i like it
lighting doesnt seem to match both scenes though, unless theyre different days?

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>tfw your health is spiraling down the toilet as you wonder if the time spent on comics could be better financially invested, creating a constant tug of war in your mind between the looming costs of healthcare and the dreams you chase

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finished this page!

>>88748575
I find him funny, like a court jester. Same goes for feelsposter. And it takes literally 0 effort to not reply to them and continue thread discussion regardless, so I don't have a problem with their continued presence.

>>88744873
I used to do little jokes on the comic number. it's easy to come up with something related to most integers, but if not, I'd just make it related to something that happened in the comic

>>88748268
agreed, everyone deserves a second chance
which we gave bones. which he took, and seemed to get better
then decided to be an assclown again. so for god's sake UPDATE that thing with more recent trolling, lest most sensible people want to be merciful

>>88746598
I know that feel all too well
>>88749746
You're going to die anyway, might as well leave a legacy behind
>>88750403
The stabilizer is helping, but this still isn't up to your previous standards of line quality, which is saying something. Still, zoomed-out, it's less of a distraction now. but i notice you've completely stopped drawing backgrounds.. are those giving you trouble on this thing?

>>88749746

Die for your craft or choose something else to die for. Life is surprisingly short but can be fulfilling. Despite that, you have more time than you think, you could just be wasting it.

If comics aren't worth it, find something that is.

You can do it anon, I believe in you.

>>88748575
At this point I don't even know which person you're talking about because there's just so many
I seriously ditched this thread for a year and it's still the same shit
Too many of you are wasting your time with this

>>88751226
it's so generous of you to give of your precious time to help us preserve ours

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>>88746004
I didn't trace anything. But thankyou for thinking I did, I guess.

>>88726229
Both.

>>88718473
20/f/US.

I'm very serious. Writing is my passion. It's what I want to do in life. Having a couple projects under my belt by the time I graduate college could yield serious results and professional development.

>>88710204
I've thought a lot about collaboration. It's my favorite part of writing. It's why I'm interested in the first place in this medium than just writing my own book - working with others. And if there are sites for this, I'd be very interested in them.

>>88751226
personally these threads are really helpful
>helped me with anxiety over making a comic
>got word back before beginning so i dont make rookie mistakes
>toss ideas back and forth
>see how others go about their work is insightful
>see how others interpret your work
>fresh eyes are always good to use
its not the best for art skill, theres /ic/ for that, but everything else is pretty nice
also i do like to help my peers and vice versa

>>88751278
Well it's not that precious but sure thing, any time.

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>>88751425
>F
LONDON?

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>>88751459

>>88751527
fine forget you then dumb roastie reee

>>88751425
Allow me to spare you the pain. There is no respect in comics, let alone webcomics. It will not yield serious results or professional development as well as a fine portfolio of short fiction (and by that I mean creative short story non-fiction).

The idea of having art to support your work is appealing when you're younger but you're really better off elsewhere. Passion is a beautiful thing, but if it is leading you off a cliff better to know now than when you're walking on air.

Which is more helpful for a beginner artist: Trying to copy reference images to help build up correct anatomy and muscles, or going from imagination as much as possible and correcting problem areas from that?

>>88752564
It's 2016, just trace

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>>88751425
I would agree to this but I'm just an artist that dicks around in ms paint to troll threads.
>tfw no scanner no tablet

>>88752564
gotta do bofe

>>88750811
I'm still gonna do backgrounds, It's just that they're just in a hallway right now and there's not much I can do with that, This fight will actually rely on the background and stuff like that.

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>>88747259

ok, these colors are shit right now, just playing around with them right now

im going to spend a few more days on this page and definitly redraw a lot of stuff

its going to look amazing when its fully finished and shaded and has word balloons and dialog on it and everything

>>88751368
My bad, i was only guessing, but it still look weird, just saying

>>88748575
>>88750695
>>88750781
>>88751226


mfw: >>88748268

>>88751368
see >>88748144

>>88752820
>no scanner no tablet
might as well kill yourself

>>88751425
Any example pastebin of your work

>>88754591
Just be aware that I am going to fap to this knowing a 20 year old female wrote this, regardless of content.

>>88754591
Only example I've got on hand is a film script, not a comic script. Is that alright?

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>>88755025
yes, as long as it's better than this

>bones is back
Holy shit I have to start visiting these threads again. The only artist to ever make me feel physically ill due solely to low quality.

>>88755244
Maybe I'll finally post some of my work and make you change that statement :^)

>>88755375
You don't get it man, this wasn't just some poor amateur stuff. It was animated and everything. I had fucking nightmares about it, I'm not even joking.

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>>88755215
Here's the first 10 pages ripped straight from Final Draft, plus some enters to make it less jumbled.

http://pastebin.com/0xsAAm28

>>88755442
Well now I have to see it.

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>>88755485
>The Beast, an invisible monster, slinks out from the trees. ELINOR, mid-20s, feminine and meek, sleeps in bed.
I got a monster slinking out right here

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>>88755485
I-I'll seriously consider it.

>>88755485
>http://pastebin.com/0xsAAm28
All right, there's a lot wrong here.
>The Beast is an invisible thing.
You don't need to show us it in full, but it cannot be invisible; especially in a visual medium. Even if this isn't meant for comic purposes, a silhouette is far more desirable. Or just follow the basic rules of horror and keep it in the dark, with what light that does glimmer upon it from houses being snuffed out as it passes. Shit like that.
>Generic Setting
Medieval is a very catch-all term, and you're not selling me anything unique. I can't visualize the dress, the appearances, the architectural styles, or even the woods with what we have here. Is this the Black Forest of Germany, a forest in Scotland, a grove in the Orkneys, a pine glade in the hills of Greece? Sure, we might take context from names but even they provide precious little content.

Elinor, Mrs. Baker, the Father; nothing about them gives off a vibe that catches and keeps my attention. None of them are interesting within the circumstances present, which is important because if a monster is stealing people away we should be seeing interesting reactions. They do not speak in any interesting way, and their interactions are very basic.

It feels like you're going for an Emily Carroll vibe without knowing why she's good at her stuff. Research and appreciation for tone are key. I get that this is just a writing sample, and that you're only 20; and I totally get that this will be considered better than what a lot of other comics in the thread may be able to scrape together--but that doesn't make it good.

You should try to have a proper portfolio of work on hand, because a rough draft item like this doesn't speak well for your skills. And if writing is your passion, you need a portfolio of works.

>>88755947
First of all, thank you for your feedback. I really appreciate it. Do you have experience in screenwriting for films at all?

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>>88756070
Yeah, though you should know there's no real set model for comic script writing though a lot of places would rather you don't do the screenwriting method because it puts a lot of impetus for how things need to be framed on the artist. They generally want you to be cinematographer, director and writer so-to-speak with the artist serving as actor.

What matters is conveying things appropriately, and if your partner is willing to work with your format then more power to you.

I write the Sisters, as well as some other stuff that's been published, and I've had to write in a few formats depending on the client or what was desired. I've done short films back in undergrad, but nothing relevant to my current body of work.

Your script has a lot of issues in terms of content. I should be able to look at a page of it and be able to place what the characters are like, while at the same time being able to imagine them being vastly different under different circumstances. Like a snap-shot of someone in an act of levity when you only know them as a jackass. Language and subtle motions are key and important, especially if you establish them over time so you can have moments to execute them.

Page from last week. Craig usually lowers his shades when he's being condescending or concerned, Dan usually eats when he talks and he eats like an American (fork on chinese food), Chel (in blue) is prone to outbursts because she's the odd one out, and Jam is willing to run with shit but she's not going to set it up (in this case, a lie).

Which isn't to say I'm doing it great, but to have that logic in mind is very helpful for the process.

I can give you better feedback if you know exactly what you want to be working in. But the usual notes from me always include "Research" as a key focus.

>>88755947
brings up a good question it does, how do you prefer depicting the invisible? white outline? putting them on their own layer and lowering the opacity? a silhouette that subtly shifts the background by lightening or darkening and/or shifting its position slightly? Or the most subtle, just draw footprints

>>88756286
I just love that bit of self-awareness
like you're so in charge of us but you haven't once thought of a cover for our actions.

>>88756286
What you're describing to have for comic scripts is very interesting, because my superior, who has worked mainly in the film industry, stressed the complete opposite.

Depicting appearances, architectural designs, mannerisms in character, and anything that steps outside the barriers of "story" is seen as the mark of an amateur who wants to play director when it is not their place. It'll get your script tossed out in seconds.

What you are saying is weak points in the script have been noted as strengths to me. Do you disagree with this kind of mindset entirely, or are you simply explaining that, with comic writing, it is completely different?

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>>88756327
I'm saying in general to avoid invisibility when working in a still, visual medium. You can show invisibility well with camera movement in film, but it doesn't translate well--especially for sake of suspense.

Comedy or really anything but trying to cultivate fear allows for a white outline/dotted line, lower opacity thing to work. But in trying to make things scary and create a sense of menace, I suggest silhouettes in the darkness. The hint and sense of what something might be. Footprints can be fine, but the point of this is to give more questions than answers. To pique our curiosity.

I suggest for a "Beast" in this scenario, keep a backlighting thing going on. Have it snuff out light as it moves. Give us a hint of what it might look like but keep it in the shadows. You don't want to reveal your monster too early, but you do have to actually physically put something there. Otherwise you get The Happening.

Even Over the Garden Wall gave us the hint of what the Beast was in terms of its theme and having a silhouette/voice. You have to give us something without giving us too much.

>>88756385
Thanks. We're updating the comic for this week right now, actually.

http://thesisters-comic.com/
https://tapastic.com/series/The-Sisters

>>88756475
Gimme one sec to comment on this, because yes in FILM and STAGE you want to be a minimalist with your directions; but comics are not either of those things.

>>88756475
And because comics are not either of those things, using that script as a sample of your work is a bad call. And even then, you have to consider who is writing what. Because a lot of writers who may have done direction at one point or another, know how to get away with it. And having those subtle mannerisms jotted down can give actors an idea as to what they might want to do or rather where they can take their role.

Yes, those are "strengths" but at the same time you're not giving us a sense of story either. Events are happening, but none of them are carrying interest. You aren't cultivating a narrative so much as you're allowing things to happen. You need to find the happy medium. Give a sense of what you want out of your work while still leaving it totally open to interpretation by others.

I'm just saying that is a very bad piece to use to try and get artists to desire to work with you, and you should as a writer, have a portfolio of work readily available at the moment should someone ask for it. And if you really want to work in comics, it should be things that work for comics.

I'd suggest checking out Panel One, edited by Nat Gertler, which shows a lot of script examples of varying sorts of detail. And realize and remember that what works for one medium will not necessarily work for another.

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>>88753190

oh shit, uploaded the wrong wip, i meant to upload wip 45 where the locks where on the brick wall, not the prison bars :/

oh well

hows my shading so far guys? Did I fix Feras nose on panel 2????

>>88756495
Am I wrong or... isnt the "but... I mean, we're not, we weren't doing that bad right?" part supposed to be Bea's word balloon? because Craig seems to be answering it in the next panel
also craig is making some WEIRD faces in this one. I can't really read them. but I like this one anyway. i love this kinda working-shit-out

>>88756628
>Supposed to be Bea's word balloon.
Son of a bitch, thank you for pointing that out. Fixing it now.

>>88756648
i've done that myself once or twice. it's one of the reasons it's beneficial for character dialogue to really be interactive.

>>88756580
I completely agree with you. I guess I was just confused because it felt like you were critiquing the film script for qualities that are pretty much required for a film script. I'm fully aware that this wouldn't work as a comic script, which is why I stated that earlier before posting it.

I suppose my question is, now that there is mutual understanding that this is not a comic script, but a film script, what prior critiques still stand, and which ones are put at ease due to the different nature of the medium?

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>>88756610
>didn't fix perspective
>that fucked up face
>those fucked up textures like a hi-res minecraft skin
get a grip

>>88756726
I think most of my criticisms still stand, even though it is intended to be a film and thus minimalism should be encouraged. Medieval is too vague, characters lack dynamic interaction, the idea of an invisible Beast being poorly defined in what it is. Because while the audience need not know the truth, the director and the actors sure as shit ought to.

Research grief, loss, historical responses to abductions and unexpected death. You can give us more than age and weight to the character without breaking format. Boldness is to be respected. And even if you can't put into the script the subtle details due to your professors being hardliners, you should still be able to visualize and give us enough to get a sense of that.

I did capstones in stage-plays, non-fiction and screenwriting. What happens when you get into the field is vastly different than what you're doing now anyway, that is why you're doing this now.

Obviously you need to keep to format, and obviously I was aware that this is meant to be a non-comic representation of your writing; I criticized this script for that reason. I still stand by the fact that you've presented an item poorly utilized for the purposes of getting an artist behind you (because it looks like you lack direction).

If writing is what you want to do, and you are 20, you've had at least two years to have some sort of portfolio behind you and you've chosen poorly with what work to put forth here. But even that is an aside and a matter of opinion.

If I'm not being clear, then without any hostility (as none is intended) let me then say this: I cannot tell if you're a good writer or not by that script. It follows format, but it lacks meat and substance to it. It isn't hard to follow format, and I'd suggest finding something better to show off here as proof of concept in your abilities.

But good on you for liking Wander, I did as well.

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>>88756918
I understand all of your points, and will take them into account for future reference. Thank you.

Out of curiosity, is there anything that is good and/or working in the script?

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>>88756808

im sorry, i will get good one day senpai

>>88756286
>>88756495

i love your stuff, cant tell you that enough, ive read every page of the sisters and am a big fan of it!

your to good for this thread desu

I am to but im only pretending to be retarded for the lolz, lol :D :D :D :D :P

>>88757020
The overall idea of it isn't bad, but execution needs work. Language can be a big help, "Goodie Baker" sounds better than Mrs. Baker and gives a sense of place (as in Goodwife Baker, although that might be too Protestant America, still though).

The Father should speak less in exposition and more in misdirection. Poetry is the art of the preacherman, I actually inherited my grandfathers prayer-book from when he did that work. Talking and hinting without bringing direct notice to who you're calling out is important.

The crowd at the start bothers me because they don't sound terrified or bewildered, they just sound tired. A sense of season could add something here, like if this is the dead of winter; which could play into the idea of the Beast being an agent of the Forest which cuts down men in their prime in order to bring forth new life in Spring; or something like that.

Having blood sacrifice be so open is a problem because it feels too Wickerman/The Lottery, and less like people trying to justify their grief and anguish with hocus-pocus y'know, like religion if you really want to try to convey a wider message about how we attribute power to ritual in order to deal with shit.

You have the loose bones of something. I wouldn't say scrap it and burn it all down, but this is a tent when you need a house. You'll figure it out in time.

Word of the wise, I find the best advice in terms of academics in the field of writing, comes from short story people or those who have done interesting things rather than those who are constantly showered in success. Once you're in, you're in for the most part. But knowing someone who was in, got shoved out, and deals with the occasional chance to get back in can give you a clearer picture. It helps in general to know people from many walks of life and have them look your work over.

Also, read. Not enough people do and in doing so you pick up subtle ways to do things. Try for a book a week at least.

page 10?

about how long does it take you all do do shit?
i feel like im x10 too slow enough to keep a proper schedule

>>88759740
It depends. I'm also a slow anon, but if I work at least 6 hours a day, I think I can get one page (completed with writing, drawing, coloring and final lettering) a week. As I said, 'I'm slow.

>>88759740
way longer than I'd like
It used to be a 2-hour affair

>>88759924
Understandable. If it was me, half the time would be spent practicing.

>>88760092
>It used to be a 2-hour affair
what happened?

>>88760478
I got better

>>88760688
figured
on that note, if anyone has any progress charts id love to see them

>>88751368
thats an awful lot of detail anon
maybe less could go into fashion and more into function? like seams, zippers, ties and shit
texture wouldnt hurt too

>>88761034
well we got >>88736375 this earlier

How do you folk do faces? The only way I can create distinction through mine is by either making it a weird shape or through the hair.

>>88761276
varying the size and shape of the features is the best way. pointy noses vs bulbous ones, round eyes vs sharp ones, full cheeks, sunken gaunt cheeks.. pointy chins, fat round chins, lantern jaws.. there's a whole cornucopia

>>88761276
Eye shape, size, and position relative to other facial features is a good one, regardless of style, though it's easier with cartoon stuff where you can really push the shape to be more stylized.
But basically what >>88761342 said; you can push any of those features in different combinations, then add facial hair, make-up, scars, accessories/jewelry etc. for even more differentiation.

Things like accessories and hair style can also help with characterization too, not just making the character stand out from the others.

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>>88736375
>>88759740

If I break it down per page, from thumb to tone, it would take about 8 min a thumb, 30 min a sketch (more if the page is more complex), 1-2 hours for ink and another 30min-1hour to tone.

But honestly it takes me almost all month to finish a chapter. about 20-25 days.

>>88761518
which is extremely impressive, you know

>>88762019
Thanks anon, I appreciate the compliment.

I'm trying to keep a personal goal of being like a real mangaka or comicbook artist. I tried weekly format, aaaand that's impossible if you want ANY time to breath. So 20-5 pages a month even with a part-time job is doable.

If any of you can pour a week of your life for 20 pages of finished content, I completely commend you.

Shit. Any of you making comics on a regular basis, I'm impressed and know the feel. KEEP GOING!!!

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>>88725829
Alright, made some progress. Also worked on some shadows in a few panels.

>>88761518
Damn, love your line work.

And yeah, understand how long it takes to draw pages...... I would kill to be much faster.

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http://stonesofanarchy.org/70.html
New page, I am posting from mobile so here is a picture of my meowmeow

>>88763079
8/10 cat
comic is making me laugh. has he always sweated purple though?

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>>88761034
Most of the costumes are a bit simpler, but it is a sci-fi art/fashion comic. I'm not too worried about anything looking functional.

>>88759740
I have a few obligations so I put my schedule together in this way. 1 day: pencil, ink, next day color letter. I could go faster but it keeps spare time in case things come up I have to deal with. I've done up to 3 comics at a time in this way.

When I'm not being scatter brained and surfing the web while drawing I can get a page done in 4-5 hours maybe. Coloring taking the longest for obvious reasons.

>>88763119
Oh that first sweating panel is purpleish, I'll change it tomorrow, thanks good friend

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hows my OC for my webcomic titled "DickNose"

>>88763744
needs moar poop

>>88710204
You just need to pitch it properly... As an artist I'm usually going to decide if I like your writing on the spot, it's only partially about skill since at some level I have to think your concept is cool enough to be worth months of my life. I'm usually looking for a plot outline instead of a full script, where I can insert some of my own creativity into the design of the characters and locations since visuals is more my department. I just need a single fleshed out scene to get a feel for your dialogue and writing skill, just to make sure it isn't awful.

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SO close to getting this done on time. I say that a lot. but then it's a pretty long strip.
Just as that anon was talking about, I tried to get more across in images this time and fewer words.. I hope the logic flows, though it definitely helps if you're familiar with the comic's history. This is definitely a fanservice page
whenever I do flashbacks like this I'm always unsure how much of the old designs to retcon.. I change stuff a lot over time. sometimes not even much time
Hell i'm even noticing here that this 'split everyone up' thing is biting me in the ass because I nearly forgot how to draw Mizu's boots simply because she's been cut off above knee level for a month
I hope the age differences read properly but.. I know they don't. they never have really. Still better than they did when I tried drawing younger Kaen and Gustav. At the very least it was fun looking up Trunks' recent outfits from Super to adapt for Mizu's outfits in the past.
One thing I was unable to look up was whether I've ever drawn young Oak before. I think I have. If so, might have continuity errors here.

>>88752820
>artist that dicks around in ms paint
Come on man, us MSpainters need to remain strong, I even got some real (You)'s once on a Donut Steel thread, so don't give up!

>>88765010
besides if you push the intentional-suck hard enough you can actually be really funny. like Buml0r's magical christmas adventures.

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still kinda bad with painting, but how does it look now?

>>88765207
definitely better! Looks way more like I'm looking at rocks now
before you add a few extra pen lines here and there, following your new jiggityjags, I suggest just increasing the shading on the shaded sides. just basically up that contrast a bit. shouldnt have to use the paintbrush anymore, just a darkening-whatever. Right now you lost a wee bit of the depth you had before.. but really it looks a heap better. Some of it looks a little more flowy than a solid thing should, or a bit grainy, but it no longer looks like 'this was done in marker'. Plus the actual shape of the jags is downright perfect, looks just like the cleavage of how rock erodes

now if you really feel like doing more work, you could still clean up the bit of broken street they're standing on, since it still has some coloring-grains that run right from the road onto the not-road without any kind of interruption, as if the road was literally just some meaningless lines. but you don't have to. The focus is the crater and the mansion

>>88752564
I'd say start learning from references and real life first

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First Comic

>>88765279
snert

>>88765289
The onomatopoeia for laughter, the acronym for snot nosed rude egotistical teen, or the Dutch Split-pea soup?

>>88765207
improve your inking and shading man, seriously, im not trying to be harsh but its all too sketchy, do you have a line art only page? i like to see that, youre got potential to be honest

>>88766218
When will this "clean" lineart meme end

>>88766797
When you learn how to fucking draw, chickenscratch.

>>88766825
There is nothing wrong with sketchy lineart. Some of us even prefer it when it looks good.

I'm sorry you prefer the more polished works of the holy trinity

>>88765207
I would add a bit more dark lines to separate objects in the background, but it looks cool

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Very little experience with drawing armour and now I'm trying to do a strong armoured character design. I get so caught up with all the pieces I can get a bit blind to the overall look, advice from a fresh pair of eyes would be greatly appreciated.

>>88712992
Please stop with the racist words.

>>88767068
made me snigger

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>>88756610

ahem, can get some serious critique on this?

like pretend you dont know me and just honestly critique the page without being super but hurt and jealous your not as good as me please.

put your jealousy to the side and really help a dude out man.

If you say its shit and give actual reasons why its shit then i will redraw the whole thing.

like pretend your a line webtoons staff member and you dont know me and your looking at this page for the first time would you be like "damn, we need to pay this guy 2000 dollars a month so he keeps posting here and no where else on the internet!" or..."not bad, but not worth 2000 dollars a month...."

please be honest guys!

super violent and epic western music to set the mood for this super violent epic wild western sci-fi webcomic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg-yC0xcI9s

>>88766989
Not bad if you hardly had experience doing armor. Nice design.

>>88765207
From what that anon said about the chickenscratches for the scenery, it actually is best to solidify the values of the hadows in the rocks. Having a scratchy design is not bad, but it does give off a scenes of movement when locations need to be static. Maybe try blending those values in or smoothing them out to solidify their values.

>>88765279
kek

>>88767877

Should be 'hear', not here. Spellchek'd

>>88767877
Your grammar and spelling are atrocious. Your word balloons are hideous. The idea that you think this is any good on any level is disgusting. Your faces are out of proportion to the bodies. The detail work on the objects is awful, with several of them just being gradients.Your setting smacks of edgy teenager, especially with the name of that book. In all seriousness, kill yourself.

What sort of stuff do people even want to read? There's so many webcomics out now and barely any of them are enjoyable now

>>88769251
Furry.
Porn.
Gay shipping.
Furry porn with gay shipping.

>>88769251
Lesbians. The answer is always lesbians.
Why do you think there are always lesbians in webcomics?

>>88769285
Moon. Over. June

>>88765279
this is the best webcomic i have ever seen thank you for posting

>>88769251
I want a webcomic that's like Paranatural pre-train chapter, and stays that way

>>88769251
Just make what you want, man. If it's written well enough with enough heart and creativity, it will attract an audience.

>>88769251
a good comic
thats it
it could be any genre or story. it could be a fucking slice of life about watching paint dry. if its good its good. problem is most of them are shit.

>>88767877
Serious critique then:
The whole page is flawed on a basic and fundamental level. Redrawing it is the LEAST you could do to improve it.

You were told about the bad perspective.
You even acknowledged it was bad.
You had every opportunity to correct it, but instead you continued to polish this turd.

This is one of your biggest flaws; even when errors are pointed out, you don't make the effort to correct them. You don't learn from your mistakes and keep making the same mistakes. Nothing anyone has said has got through to you, which is why we "don't reply to Bones".

Redraw this page again, remembering to fix the perspective first.

While you're at it:

No shadows under the chairs and tables.

What's that white thing sticking in the pillar? Is it supposed to be a knife? Due to the awful perspective, there is a Tangent where the handle of the knife overlaps the pillar and the table of the man by the window. It took me a while to figure out what it was supposed to be. What I assume is a cord on the handle is directly over the pillar of the table which confuses the visuals even further.

The crease on the newspaper doesn't match with the edge of the table it's supposed to be hanging over.

Perspective on the coffee pot is wrong. We're looking at it straight on, instead of from above like the cups.

Panel 2: The pose is awkward. She looks like she's holding the book out for the benefit of someone standing by her right shoulder, not as it she's reading it herself.
Unless that chair is twice as wide as she is, she's only sitting on half of it.

Inconsistent lineweights. The fixed width of the scenery and the thinner lines on the characters doesn't work.
This is going to be a huge stumbling block for you, because you either can't or don't want to understand about lineweight.

That's all I have to say for now.
The ball is in your court.

>>88761054
process and progress are different things anon

Any noir comics?

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Here's a quick comic strip I made yesterday. Hope that's cool to post here.

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Hey guys im new here, but I'm really extatic to see frequent posters replying with actual critue to someone's art. I wanted to know what programs you guys use to draw, texture, etc.

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>>88767877
Dude learn Loomis

>>88769312
And it has achieved a level of notoriety because it's about lesbians.
There are probably more webcomics with lesbians in them at this point than ones without.

>>88769639
lol