When did Dilbert get so based?

Scott Adams is kind of a tool.

He's gradually transitioned from a mentality of "pity the poor engineers" to "incompetent employees are the downfall of the American workforce". It might be true, but I don't like it.

>>88688823
>>88688783

he is californian.
So anything he does that might be considered "based" you have to take with a heaping side of salt.

>>88688823

> It might be true, but I don't like it.

It is true. Its always been true though. It why people always say "Good help is hard to find." Most people are complete fuckwads that cant even follow basic instructions without fucking things up.

>>88689179
That's not the least bit true. If that were true society would have collapsed a long time ago you cynical bitch.

>>88689290
Not necessarily. We're quite good at specialising. So, even a 'bad' employee can probably be competent at one part of their job, even if they are incompetent at the rest.

>>88688783
When you started agreeing with far-right, outdated comic strips.

>>88689726
>far-right

???

>>88689833
You haven't been following dilbert very closely, recently, have you?

His creator went off the deep end.

>>88689290
Society is constantly collapsing. It just turns out that there's not really a floor.

We just sort of keep falling in weird and abstract new ways and somehow end up above where we started.

>>88688783
>When did Dilbert start to reflect my politics

This shit's as droll as liberal agitprop

I BELIEVE THAT SHE WILL WIN

I BELIEVE THAT SHE WILL WIN

come on hilldawgs, join in

I BELIEVE THAT SHE WILL WIN

>>88689966
Well, she did win. The popular vote, at least.

>>88689877
>>88689726

Having actually read his blog in the last five years and reading places like Comics Alliance and tweets of people I used to follow from comic boards, and how they reacted to Adams....

I would definitely say Adams is not the one who's gone off the deep end.

>>88689290
I work in a government job and let me tell you it is true. The majority of people I work with are so laughably incompetent that you wouldn't believe half the stories I could tell you. The best part? We are all paid absurd amounts of money for the miniscule amount of output most people struggle to put forth. Greeters at Wal-Mart do more for society in a day than a lot of my coworkers.

How does it all function you ask? What, are you not going to pay your taxes or your utility bills?

>>88688823
He did a complete 180.

How does someone go from constantly rehashing "Bosses and managers and Authority are bankrupt stupid imbeciles" to "The lower employees are irrational ones giving their poor bosses a headache."
It's sad to think about.

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>>88690150

Adams and Dilbert has actually stayed the same this whole time. Its the world around him thats changed and gets mad at him for doing the exact same thing hes always been doing.

I fucking love me some dilbert tho.

>>88688783
>When did Dilbert get so based?
Wait this strip is dog crap old I remember it when I read dilbert like a decade ago.
How is this news?

>>88690202
>>88688823
Proof?

>>88690014
You misunderstand, you see, as long as we remove millions of people from the country, then she DIDN'T win the popular vote.

>>88690014
But that's not winning.

>>88690202
Maybe humanity became stupider and it took this long to catch up.

>>88690014
Not if you count illegals.

>>88690202
When they become the bosses, managers, and authority.

>>88689877
Scott isn't "Far-right"
He's just Far... out.
His aforementioned insanity doesn't really fit with any political alignment. He thought Trump would win just because he's the closest analog to PhB or Dogbert and fits as one of his monologuist charismatic caricatures.

>>88690014
Only because of California.

>>88690014
Only because of California.

>>88690254
Well, if you're not a real democracy, then yeah.

>>88689290
The synergy of the collective achievements is enough to balance the sum of the many individual mistakes.

>>88690014
Only because of California.

>>88690266
>illegals can vote
Okay long john.

>>88690014
by a whopping 2% and it took Obama's second term to be confirmed the popular vote in February and there was a 10% gap between those two so Trump might get a 4th victory start of next year.

>>88690284
When the hell was America ever a real democracy?

>>88690297
By a hair's breath keeping civilization alive.
See ancient Rome.

>>88690284
Good thing the US has been a democratic republic for hundreds of years.

>>88690319
Not every state has voter ID laws.

>>88690354
You've never actually voted before, have you?

>>88690328
How many people will still vote for Trump when he doesn't keep his promises?
He's already backed off from persecuting Hilary and 'Draining the Swamp'. I'm curious what his campaign strategy when he's failed to fund a 2000 mile Wall or forced bordering nations monetary compensation.

>>88690273
>>88690276
>>88690298
You guys do know you have to space out your shitposts to your rubles, right?

>>88690375
>How many people will still vote for Trump when he doesn't keep his promises?
All of them.
He'll make it illegal to do otherwise and round up those gibbers.

>>88690266
This. So much this.

>>88690375
I voted for Trump so liberals countrywide would get aneurysms. I don't care what happens next so long as the SJWs remain angry.

>>88690375
Most people that voted for him voted for Trump, not for his policies.

Populism. And yes, Obama had something similar behind his own victory in 08.

>>88690284
And the US has never been a real democracy, nor was it ever intended to be.

>>88690375
He will give them placebo solutions. Maybe he spends more on border patrol or goes after people who illegally exceed their visa.

>>88690375
I think you misunderstood my post. People saying Hilary won the popular vote is very premature when the same shit happen with Romine where he had it "won" back in Nov. but come 3 months later he was the loser of the popular vote. Hilary has it that much worse so she might not keep this lead.
As to you question, Both Bush and Obama backed off/failed to meet a lot of issues in their first terms yet got reelected. The real question is who is the competition?
That Said Trump likely, nor his voters likely care. His victory was a black eye to the American political establishment, he embarrassed the GoP, and the Liberal Party. This victory has put all of Washington on it's back and they are spinning in trying to stand up again and get order. America didn't want Trump, it wanted a wake up call.

>>88688854
if all you have is ad homs based on geography you can just shut up and terminate your sorry racist ass

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>this thread

Holy shit and I thought /v/ was triggered by Trump winning.

>>88690546
>America didn't want Trump

What sort of idealistic fairyland do you live in?

>>88690487
bluntly that's a good thing because a real democracy was how Hitler rose to power. Not by the people but by the near impossible mess a popular vote demands on the countries politics.

>>88690589
You should read the whole sentence:

>America didn't want Trump, it wanted a wake up call.

>>88690589
Not him. But Trump has fewer votes than the last republican candidate.

>>88690616
Again, whay sort of world do you live in?

>>88689833
If you have a diploma you are de facto a nazi.

>>88690589
I think what Anon means is Trump could have been a lot of other people in the business world just the idea that a non politician with power as long as it sent a clear message of we are done with the old ways. Keep in mind turn out was weak as hell because America ddn't want either.

>>88690619
What are you talking about? He had two million more.

>>88690576
>/v/
>SJW
???

>>88690619
Just checked Wikipedia, he got more than McCain and Rmoney.

But interestingly enough, Hillary got less than Obama on his re-election bid.

>>88690641
Again, you should read the whole sentence:

>America didn't want Trump, it wanted a wake up call.

>>88690589
The one where he lost the popular vote with 3 million people?

The one who has a electoral college where the electoral don't have to vote for the one who the people vote for making the peoples vote pointless because the electroals decide the election.

I only voted for Trump because he wasn't Hillary.

>>88690647
People voted for Trump because he communicated in the same way they do (or at least want to) - vulgar and self-serving with a hint of racism. That whole "anti-establishment" thing is just a way to make it sound nicer.

Also, turnout was higher than in 2012.

>>88690476
>so liberals countrywide would get aneurysms
So you wasted your vote? More Liberals, minorities and LGBT+ voted for Trump than any other republican in decade. Michigan and Pennsylvania, hugely liberal states voted for trump.
Did you really get a boner in your pants over imagined rage by people who did the same thing you did?

>>88690575
fuck off commie, go scour the desert for water and weed or something.

>>88690684
You know you could have just not voted, right?

>>88690711
Replace liberals with millennials

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>>88690679
It's not that high anymore, likely just like 2012 with Romney and Obama She will have lost the popular vote however I doubt media will even cover that.

>>88690014
>don't you understand? 48 is higher than 46 by two! The people demand Hilary! Democracy is dead!

>the five percent who wanted neither candidate don't count in the final tally

>>88690684
This election was basically a contest on which candidate was disliked the most, and say what you want about Trump; he was much more entertaining than Hillary, and he sounded authentical. Retardedly, stupidly authentical, but you could say that most of the time he spoke what he thought.

>>88690717
That wouldn't have done anything. I specifically did not want Hillary to win, so I voted Trump. It's not as if voting for neither will prevent them both from winning the election.

>>88690661
Not at all. I just see more of the "muh popular vote america wanted HER" shit every time someone mentions trump or politics there than anywhere else. Maybe I just notice it more since its so blatantly off topic, but still.

>>88690699
Don't forget on twitter!

>>88690684
Why didn't you vote for any of the presidential cucks?

>>88690684
Literally 90% of Trump's voters voted for him because he wasn't Hillary.

Democrats will never win an election again unless they take a good long look in the mirror and figure out exactly why and how they produced such an awful, un-electable candidate when virtually any other prospect would have soundly beat Trump.

>>88690727
You're right, they don't. Nor have they ever, in any election in the past century.

>>88690721
Oh so you just got up so you could screenpost (you)'s on that one website. Gotcha.

>>88690679
Because we were supposed to have a federal government, not a national government.

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Which came first: ranch, or Cool ranch?

>>88690756
>Literally 90%

That's a nice way to say 5%.

>>88690684
This.

Trump is a buffoon, a flip flopper, a clown and crass as fuck. I don't think he's really going to amount to anything.

But then you look at the Dems and the other choice is Palpattine.

>>88690756
Democrats didn't pick Hilary.
Hilary pick Hilary, she has had her fingers in all parts of the political climate and even though the people wanted someone else she force herself in there because she thought money, bribes and threats would get her that last hat she wanted to wear. It's rather poetic that her last act in her political climb was to be struck down by the man that help her get in power more than once.

>>88689910

You are an absolute idiot who has been spoiled by the era he lives in.

The recount is uncovering voter fraud only from the left.

Who wants a president who can't even cheat successfully?

>>88690792
The question is, could have Barney beat Trump?

>>88690795
Breitbart is not a real news source.

>>88690724
> likely just like 2012 with Romney and Obama She will have lost the popular vote
uh...what?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final-count/
>The Democrat outpaced President-elect Donald Trump by almost 2.9 million votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%), according to revised and certified final election results from all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38087150
>But with votes still being counted, two weeks on, the Cook Political Report has his tally at 62.2m and hers at 64.2m.

http://time.com/4608555/hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final/
>In the final count, Hillary Clinton’s lead in the popular vote of the 2016 presidential election was nearly three million votes.


I mean come on. At least try to live in the real world, man.

>>88690828
Probably not. He didn't even win the primaries.

>>88690759
>he fell for the third parties don't matter meme

Good goy. Theodore Roosevelt, George Wallace and Ross Perot had zero impact on the nation

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>when you've almost 40 years in politics, are part of a political dynasty, rig the DNC, have the entire mainstream media in your back pocket, and get picked off at the post in election night by a reality TV star

>>88690786
no, it's 90%.

>>88690854
You're right, they didn't.

>>88690848
The primaries were rigged.

>>88690866
go pick up a book before it's too late for you and you become the fool you're pretending to be

>>88688783
Dilbert has always been based, you just haven't noticed yet.

>>88690861
90% of republicans, maybe. If you genuinely think that nearly 60 million people protest voted whilst voting for Trump, you are a. autistic or b. retarded.

Once again white people ruin everything. What are we going to do with them, /co/? They clearly don't know what's better for them.

>>88690772
Yes and from the sounds of it I get the felling that your nation has failed to inform everyone on that behalf. But do us all a favour and shut up about being a democracy, in fact never speak about democracy again.

In fact your voting system is a lot more complicated and stupid then what it has any right to be.

Remember when this thread was about Dilbert?

>>88690870
What evidence do you have to back that up?

>>88690828
Yes. He was well wanted and would have likely seem less crazy. Also he didn't have 50 years of baggage like Hilary. You could ask two people why they don't like her and get three answers.

>>88690911
leaked DNC emails

>>88690857
> have the entire mainstream media in your back pocket

I think that may have hurt more than it helped. It was insultingly blatant how biased in favor of Hillary the media was, to the point where I honestly don't know why anyone believes a word out of their mouths anymore.

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>>88690866
>Theodore Roosevelt
>had zero impact on the nation
Some people
>>88690857
>have the entire mainstream media in your back pocket
Did she? Because the mainstream media was unable to shut the fuck about her emails, which caused her the election. While at the same time being an absolute failure on covering the negatives about Trump, rather then covering what he did they covered what he said.

>>88690857
Reality TV had hijacked all our brains.
We hunger games now.

>>88690909
Yes. Then some anon remembered that Dilbertman predicted something about Trump, and /pol/tards and /co/mblrinas reacted to the word "Trump" as they do.

>>88690885
I can guarantee you that no person born in the past two to three decades knows or cares about who George Wallace or Ross Perot are. Theodore, maybe, but only because he was actually president (whilst part of the Republican Party).

But keep feeling the Johnson if that makes you feel any better.

>>88690900
We'll have to come up with a solution so solve the "white problem" once and for all. A "final solution" if you will.

>>88690923
Any specific citation or reference, or did you just hear this on /pol/?

>>88690546
>I think you misunderstood my post. People saying Hilary won the popular vote is very premature when the same shit happen with Romine where he had it "won" back in Nov. but come 3 months later he was the loser of the popular vote. Hilary has it that much worse so she might not keep this lead.
That's objectively incorrect. Her lead in the popular vote easily dwarfs any electoral college loser in history.

>>88690672
Is it really so interesting? Obama is extremely popular even after eight years of his presidency.

>>88690202
He got promoted to boss

>>88690983
>Her lead in the popular vote easily dwarfs any electoral college loser in history.

source on that?

>>88690951
No anon, russian hackers cost her the election. Don't you watch the news? Oh, and don't look at wikileaks' leaked emails, only CNN is allowed to do that!

>>88691019
And the Russian hackers released the emails, thus the emaisl caused her the election.

Speaking of which never thought I would see wikileaks shill for the republicans like that, makes me question their alignment.

>>88690958
>if they aren't famous they don't have an impact

PLEASE READ

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>>88691058
They outright stated that nothing they had on Trump was worse than the things that came directly from his mouth.

>Russian hackers released the emails
Proofs?

>>88691102
That either means that they didn't do a good job or a lying through their teeth's. I'm going for the later
>Proofs?
CIA

>>88690791
The elections were practically a popularity contest between Emperor Palpatine and Emperor Kuzco.

>>88691011
He's counting in terms of individual votes.

Trump: 62,979,879, 45.95% of popular vote
Clinton: 65,844,954, 48.04% of popular vote

Only one I've found close to it is this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1876

Hayes: 4,034,311, 47.9%
Tilden: 4,288,546, 50.9%

And that was a smaller population.

>>88691011
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/1222/Clinton-wins-US-popular-vote-by-widest-margin-of-any-losing-presidential-candidate

>>88691102
>Proofs?
Not that anon, but it has been stated repeatedly by the CIA and the FBI. Pretending otherwise is just putting your head in the sand.

>>88691126
>CIA
There is nothing credible about the CIA.

>>88691126
>CIA

BANE?

>>88690791
>But then you look at the Dems and the other choice is Palpattine.
But Trump brings an entire government of Palpatines behind him. I'm not sure how much you thought this through.

>>88691149
You know what they say about broken clocks.

Besides it would be in Russians interest if Trump did get elected, and with all the power plays of politics in our world why would they not take a shoot at the election?

>>88691058

Assange is on Putin's payroll, dude. No matter what he says about "not having anything that bad on Trump" he was unapologetically assisting him with the leaks and the particular timing of their releases.

>>88691149
And who told you that? Breitbart?

It's not just the CIA, the FBI says so too. Are they not credible too?

>>88690939
It wasn't so much them shrilling for Hilary as it was the left media and PC culture giving a climate of attention and audience to Trump. He was fucking everywhere. They literally spotlighted every tweet, absolutely everything he said.

Trump didn't need to campaign. He turned the election into clickbait and let the media win it for him.

He may be the first president ever to win the most (you)'s with internet trolling tactics and the oldschool Dems/Hilary fell for it bait line and sinker.

>>88691195
Yeah I know, which is why I called him a shill.

>>88690272
He just saw how Trump was running the game and Hillary didn't have a chance.

>>88691126
>>88691139
I like how the we suddenly pretend to like or trust the CIA when they say something you agree with. But even assuming they are telling the truth, the idea that I should care about who exposes corruption is laughable. I don't care if a resurrected Hitler released those emails, I care about their contents.

>>88691201
>CIA said so

No articles actually confirm a source from them confirmed anything.

Go home CTR, well is dry.

Those checks won't cash.

>>88691139
>>88691201

you and I both know /pol/ won't accept any proof. Any proof you show them won't be good enough and they'll just keep insisting that they're right until Brietbart tells them otherwise.

>>88691251
And I care about balance

Leak all the shit you have on Hillary, but balance it out by leaking the shit you have on Trump

>>88690202
When Millennials entered the work force. Also, he still makes fun of the bosses, he just spends more time on stupidity at the bottom than he used to. Though, if anything, he's actually turned his attention to middle management more than anything else.

>>88691201
>James "Hillary dindu nuffin" Comey
>reliable

>>88691251

While I mostly agree with you, it's pretty undeniable there is such a thing as a "tainted messenger", no one is completely devoid of bias.

Honestly, if Trump showed up with some irrefutable evidence about this ir that, maybe some anti global warming shit or something, I wouldn't believe him just because it's him. No matter how conclusive the evidence, my mind is pretty much set.

Why was Kojima so right bros?

>>88690202
>How does someone go from constantly rehashing "Bosses and managers and Authority are bankrupt stupid imbeciles" to "The lower employees are irrational ones giving their poor bosses a headache."

By getting promoted and becoming a morally bankrupt stupid imbecile.

>>88691320
>>88690202
Any actual examples of him doing a 180 in his comics?

>>88691270
They outright said they had nothing worse than the things he said on TV for all to hear. "Grab her by the pussy" was worse than anything they could have dug up. Its a simple case of there being nothing to find.

>>88691381
Or a simple case of not trying hard enough

Or a much simpler case of lying, plenty of stories where he scammed contractors out of their money. Could have focused on that
>Grab her by the pussy
Yeah about that, was your media focused on the fact that he said that or the fact that he bragged about committing sexual harassment?

>>88691316
>there is such a thing as a "tainted messenger", no one is completely devoid of bias.
you are a fucking idiot.

>>88688783
>>88688783
Man, it's like reading his blog.

>>88690150
What? Dude, you can't say that and then not tell us a story.

>>88690183
>The majority of people I work with are so laughably incompetent that you wouldn't believe half the stories I could tell you.
Greentext?

At least tell me, the humble 7/11 janitor, how to get a gig that sweet.

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>>88689290
Society is held up by the hard-working and/or talented few. Not in an Ayn Rand way, but in a much more subtle way.

Look at smartphones. They existed before the iPhone. There were even some devices that looked like the iPhone before the iPhone. But it wasn't until the iPhone delivered a great smartphone experience that every other smartphone became like the iPhone.

It takes the outstanding few to lead the way, then everybody follows suite.

Another example, CGI films. Pixar didn't have to be the first; any of the huge computer companies like IBM, Intel, and so forth could have pioneered this field. But Pixar led the way and now pretty much every other CGI film is derived from the Pixar style or formula.

Same thing in engineering, math, science, art, and even business. The talented few lead the way, the rest kind of hovel along.

>>88691381
They tried more womanizer stuff, but that falls flat on a man who's never made a platform of his marriage.

>>88691471

Yikes, getting pretty triggered, bruuuh.

I'm just saying it's natural to not believe a certain someone because you believe them to be unreliable or they simply represent the other side of the spectrum, which immediately makes you shut off your brain to what they say.

But sure, keep on talking shit, you dipshit, that'll teach everyone.

>>88690354
Masshole here, it's illegal to ask for ID.

>>88691201
>the FBI says so too.
Wait, liberals believe Comey now? It's hard to keep up.

>>88691512
The problem with this argument is that the "Talented few" becomes the "Possible many" since most innovations aren't so impeccably amazing and unique that others couldn't have brought them along.

Like you said, if those 'few' hadn't discovered it, the very large field around the many would. People think the US was impressive for inventing the nuclear bomb? 16 other countries at the time had their own Nuclear programs in development including Germany, and the US was actively trying to sabotage them for the race to world power.

Being lucky enough to be the first doesn't make one gifted enough to be the best. Who knows, if one of those other film companies pulled ahead first we must not have shit like Cars 2 or Monsters University today.

>>88691569
Yet legal to smoke weed now. Massachusetts gonna be fun.

>>88691593
Another sad case in point with this is Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla. We got the worse end of the stick with that race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GYclSBXhEM
Now that 2016 is coming to an end, what video best describes it?
>inb4 shit show
It had it's moments

>>88691554
>it's natural

It's the duty of men and women who are worth the most remote shit on the planet to overcome that "natural" instinct.

Fuck along now.

>>88691517
that and when the competitions husband is just as bad.

>>88691593
You're looking at it wrong. IBM, Intel, and other computer giants COULD have pioneered CGI films, but it's not like it was a race to the finish like Leibniz and Newton inventing calculus. To this day IBM and Intel made no concrete effort to create CGI films, nor did they ever (as far as public knowledge goes) made any effort.

Pixar led the way through hard work, dedication, and talent that started in the '70s and culminated in the mid '90s with their first feature-length film. It's not "luck", it was years of hard work.

That's the point, it's the dedicated smart people who make progress.

Every other phone company COULD have made the iPhone, but they were too busy cutting costs with resistive touchscreens and plastic toothpic styluses and low-resolution displays to actually deliver a decent user experience.

Nuclear programs are a good example; it's not the masses who develop nuclear weapons, it's the few smart and dedicated physicists who know what they're doing. Whether it's one physicist or 16 teams in different countries doesn't matter, it's still a tiny minority that forges forward while the rest of the world can't even pronounce "nuclear".

Again not in an Ayn Rand kind of way, of course the rest of society is needed to support these achievements and the nuclear physicist needs the farmer to grow food so the physicist has time to study. But in the end there are a fuckton more farmers than nuclear physicists.

>>88688823
So?
It is true, employes are dumb, managers are dumb, owners are dumb, clients are dumb.

>>88691268

I would prefer some actual proof. All I've heard so far is "the CIA said so." If they have proof it was the Russians they need to release it so that we can verify it, rather than just pointing the finger and demanding that everyone take them at their word.

>>88691512
Read "The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable" by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

It is an essay stating that there is more to luck and timing than skill and statistics when it comes to the most decisive times in history, business, science, and social change.

>>88691826
/pol/ leave

>>88691159
kek

>>88691826
Remember when libs wouldn't accept any proof by the CIA that Iraq had WMDs?
Now suddenly it's traitorous and unAmerican to doubt the CIA.

>>88691730
I still don't agree. This puts a lot of emphasis on the credibility of progress by a few individuals instead of the vast range of possibilities where something could have come about.

Your example with Nuclear Physics is undermined completely in the scope of Nuclear accomplishment. What do you define as "few" or "the minority"? You know hundreds of thousands of people were at work with the Nuclear project right? In the states, the Manhatten Project alone took more than 130,000 people. This is the way it is with modern science even, there are no more Einsteins or Thomas Newtons from which one person can push the world forward, it requires people in highly specialized fields pushing the envelope forward.

With those other inventions, it was fortune that an iPhone was made but you're kidding yourself if you think down the line someone else couldn't have gotten it. It just might've taken longer, or who knows. We might've gotten an even worse iPhone than the one we got, and everyone would follow that shit model instead.

The only point I see this valid here is artistic, cultural and creative endeavors. Creations of artistry, like say Toy Story are unique in their story and impact. It's inevitable that the technology necessary to create it would've come around- but just because that's true, doesn't mean we'd ever get that unique story if IMB or Intel had ever pioneered films, it's impossible. That's unique in it's significance.

I think looking at reality that way is a little more interesting when the two interject. What if it hadn't been Einstein or Newton to discover the theories they did? I don't believe we wouldn't, that is to say someone wouldn't rediscover them- but not in the exact way or approach. Science would be fundamentally altered and branched differently. If Archimedes had written down his primitive method of Calculus instead of letting Calculus as "We know" come into existence centuries later, mathematical fields could be interpreted differently.

>>88688783
He's all about PERSUASION and fucking 20 year olds now.

Honestly the strip is pretty blatantly making fun of the worst SJW shitstorms and modern liberals in general.

>>88691730
I also see Evolution in this light. People think of species exist and evolve as the strongest, smartest, best fit and so on because evolution, but in that sense of the word I don't believe in evolution at all.

All that can be said of species that change is they exist. The wrong way of looking at it is, "This species survived because they are the most fit." rather than "This species appears to be the most fit simply because it happened to have survived."

This is because nature doesn't favor any particular universal trait. It was miraculous and by fortune of circumstances that smart, achieving species like humanity evolved. For every humanity, nature also seemingly favors a billion slow, stupid, quick dying and miserable creatures as the best fit for evolution. Branching dead ends incalculably more dense than any single luminous spotlight of an evolutionary breakthrough.

>>88690335
My nigga

>>88691730
>Whether it's one physicist
Yeah different anon but something like this tells me you really don't understand what goes into developing these things. Especially theoretically engineering nuclear bombs and iphones.

>>88690903
I really wish we had country flags here, Probable Leaf.

>>88692178
America is a democracy in name only

>>88692211
Yeah, so what?

>>88692232
Then shut up about it, don't say you are the oldest democracy on the planet, don't say you are the greatest democracy and don't ever say that you are going to bring democracy to anyone.

>>88691946
No, they did have them. They were just old as fuck and completely inert

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>>88692281
Or else what, you're gonna make the UN write us a strongly worded letter?

>>88691381
they could have dug that up
it didn't become a story until around the last debate, Wikileaks or anyone could have brought it up sooner
there's no way they don't have some real dirt on him, there is no way, he has been too active for too long

>>88692029
>Honestly the strip is pretty blatantly making fun of the worst SJW shitstorms and modern liberals in general.

Humorists are usually counter-culture.

The flip side of liberalism being so dominant everywhere now is that the counter-culture is becoming more right wing.

Look at 4chan itself, 10 years ago we were pretty fucking liberal these days we are more right wing.

>>88690684
I pretty much only voted for Hillary because she wasn't Trump.

>>88690792
this, she knows where the bodies are buried, so to speak
which is why she would've made a better president! they're all shady, so the logical thing is to pick the one that's best at it

>>88692355
No, I'm going to tell Israel to do it.

>>88690828
It would have at least forced Trump to go on the offensive. Bernie would have provided competition for much of Trump's support on issues, but he's apparently not very good at dealing with political conflict, so it's not definite. He'd have stood a better chance than Hillary, though.

>>88692396
Nah, ten years ago most of 4chan believed that black people were subhumans who were better off as slaves, and it still does now. Not much of a change.

>>88690014
Thankfully, the entire country gets representation thanks to the electoral college and not just population dense areas. Hillary is not president because Trump was smart enough to appeal to country folk by promising to lift small business restrictions that have been plaguing small towns. Most people living in the city wouldn't even realize that was a problem in the first place, which is why the election system is done in a way that representation is by region rather than letting the most populated areas control the vote.

>>88692502
> He'd have stood a better chance than Hillary, though.
Probably not. Sanders supported both public health insurance for everyone and public funding for universities. The baby boom generation absolutely despises both of those things, so it's unlikely that he would have been able to break Trump's hold on them.

>>88690014
Good thing we don't live in a democracy, fuckwit.

>>88690202
Pretty sure he opened his own restaurant and became a boss himself.

>>88692588
> good thing we live in a system where I'm given disproportionately more power than those other people who don't agree with me

>>88690273
>>88690276
>>88690298
Thank you for being a Nimble American. We regret to inform you that since the election has ended, we can no longer pay you for your service.

>>88690354
you know you need to register in order to vote, right? and you need to have that registration with you? and you need to have an ID to register? and reports of voter fraud are generally in the single digits for the whole country?

>>88692615
>Disproportionate

Even with the electoral college, population still plays the deciding factor in US elections. California, Texas, Florida, and other large states still possess an enormous amount of electoral votes, simply due to their population. But the system was designed so this disparity wouldn't affect the ability of states with smaller populations from participating in elections.

The popular vote does not decide our President. Deal with it.

>>88691472
>What? Dude, you can't say that and then not tell us a story.
this

>>88688823
He made Dilbert a manager and embraced "live for your job, employees don't need rights or lives outside of the workplace." mentality that's poisoning the tech sector.

Yes he still raises the occasional good point but his ideas for fixing things are ultimately "be the worst kind of california tech-millionare."

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>>88692615
Democracy is feel-good tyranny. Cry more.

>>88691456
>the fact that he bragged about committing sexual harassment
>they let you
The difference here is consent. Groupies exist, and wealthy celebrities can in fact do all sorts of sexual things to them with their consent.

>>88692376
>it didn't become a story until around the last debate
It was shortly before the SECOND debate. There's a good chance that Trump had that leaked himself, because it let him attack Clinton on sexual matters without being the one to broach the topic, while visibly refraining from that in the first debate. And look at the polling results of the revelation. No effect on women, slight decrease among men (white knights offended on behalf of women?), and doubling of support among African Americans. Meanwhile, Hillary's past directly undermined the notion that people should support her because she's a woman.

>>88692713
And yet democracies consistently out-perform dictatorships in terms of standard of living, even when they have the same amount of wealth available. Democracies produce superior results, even when compared to a system whose only selling point is its supposed efficiency.

>>88690679
Two things:

1) Both candidates would have run a very different campaign and gotten very different results if they were trying to win the popular vote. Both candidates were after the electoral votes because that's how the game works. You don't play the game then only declare it unfair after you lose.

2) That said, the EC is pretty terrible, and it's hilarious to see the same people defending its existence as part of the ineffable wisdom of our founders and still getting pissed at any effort to persuade these autonomous electors to go against the voters' will. If the EC had decided to pick Hillary that would have been as legitimate as any other outcome according to how the EC is laid out (which is part of why it's so shit).

>>88692767
>And yet democracies consistently out-perform dictatorships in terms of standard of living, even when they have the same amount of wealth available

Provide one example of a dictatorship with the same amount of wealth available to all of its inhabitants as a Western democracy.

>>88692747
>They let you
Because they know they can't do anything about it?

>>88692787
>You don't play the game then only declare it unfair after you lose.
Yeah well Hillary lost because of it and Trump said it was a disaster back in 2012

>>88691967
>>88692030
>comics and cartoon board
>thread start with SJW bait
>devolves into hillary vs trump thread
>turns into sophisticated discussion about the merits of a few big individuals
I fucking love this site

>>88692788
> available to all of its inhabitants as a Western democracy.
That is the difference. A democracy attempts to spread the wealth around. A dictatorship simply results in that wealth being hoarded by the rulers. Saudi Arabia has a very high GDP per capita, yet its standard of living is awful when compared to nations that have less wealth to go around, but spread it around more because they are more democratic. Russia is a similar example. There is immense wealth in the country, but it's concentrated in the hands of a tiny minority and thus overall its standard of living is inferior to nation that are technically poorer.

>>88690699
this
there's a popular misconception that someone saying things that you "aren't supposed to say", especially if the person hearing it agrees with them, must be honest and brave, because why else would they break the rules?
people have gotten convinced somehow that political correctness is basically the law (certainly not true where I live) and they want the government to fix it, somehow, since they're too chickenshit to alter the discourse themselves

>>88692837
The electoral college is not "terrible," it's the only thing preventing our nation from being ruled by a few coastal territories.

>Politicians whine about things that inconvenience their careers
Stop the fucking presses.

>>88692799
Do you even know what a groupie is? And how Trump's anecdote there involved striking out?

>>88692876
>it's the only thing preventing our nation from being ruled by a few coastal territories.

It doesn't though. You need at minimum 11 states to win the EC entirely. Less if demographics shift in the future. The system that would actually do what you claim is State Plurality.

>>88692876
>it's the only thing preventing our nation from being ruled by a few coastal territories.
Instead it allows your nation to be ruled by a few rich old men in every state

>>88692859
And you attribute income inequality to dictatorship?

>>88688823

maybe the source of the change was that he was an incompetent employee and thru all the comic writing he never came to terms with that fact

>>88692906
It's not like they're unrelated.

https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs

The Electoral College does have one thing going for it, and it's this: It greatly simplifies recounts because most votes really don't matter.

In any system where every vote mattered, recounts would be nationwide affairs. Because most votes don't count for shit, recounts are very narrow affairs occurring in only a few swing states.

>>88692946
Still waiting on those examples.

>>88692906
Yes. A dictatorship has fewer incentives to try to remedy inequality. It creates fewer protections for the people in terms of health and safety, environmental protection, etc. It creates a setting in which the average person is less able to improve their position because everything, even things as simple as the air and water, is of worse quality. Democracies, on the other hand, have more incentives to keep the great mass of the people happy, and as a result they institute policies aimed at making life better for the people. The entire society benefits from this, not just the wealthy, creating a more equal nation.

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>>88692859
>A democracy attempts to spread the wealth around.
Dictatorships do that, too. Especially communist ones. And in both, the higher echelons eventually stop giving a crap about the people and being taking everything for themselves. The only difference between democracy and dictatorships, is that the latter does so sooner.

>>88692991
Compare Russia to Croatia. Russia has higher GDP per capita. Yet Croatia beats it quite handily in pretty much every metric for measuring standard of living, from HDI to Basic Needs.

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>>88690476
YOU FUCKING SHORT-SIGHTED FAGGOT.

Do you know what this means? Do you KNOW how this WORKS?

The more they can show that people with power doesn't like them, THE MORE POWER THEY GET, because people sympathize with them for being "undesirables" and shit. They fall to the exact same fallacy as rused-up Trump voters.
They think because it's not supposed to be said, it must be true.

We already had this ride many times in the last few decades (notable after Reagan and Bush and... Bush) and now we're going to have it again.

I LAUGH.
I laugh to think how you'll be sucked into conversations with these people for the next four years.
I LAUGH.
I LAUGH at you being your own undoing, and the undoing of people feeling free to voice their opinions, be they SJW or alt-right or pro- or anti-immigration or pro- or anti-welfare or whatever, things got more and more tense and now they're not letting up like they should because people are not just mad, they're fucking terrified.

That's not even the end.

DO YOU SEE?

>>88693048
> Dictatorships do that, too. Especially communist ones.
Only they don't. As you yourself said, the higher echelons don't give a crap about the people and just take everything for themselves. It's not an issue of when they do it, dictatorships never really spread the wealth in the first place because they have no incentive to do so. Their power does not rely on the happiness of the people. The fact that a dictatorship styles itself as communist or capitalist ultimately doesn't change the outcome.

>>88693112
> because people sympathize with them for being "undesirables" and shit
Won't matter once they're rounded up and shot.

>>88692529
Have a pity (You)

Actually I feel really bad for you anon so here have a couple more (You) (You)

Hell it is the holiday season enjoy one more (You)

>>88690273
Not a fan of this line of argumentation, desu; Trump "only" won 270 EVs "because of Texas" as well.

>>88692529
4chan is and always has been mostly composed of glib assholes. Their political and social views aren't actually that relevant to what they say.

>>88693243
Nice false equivalency. Texas only allows citizens to vote. California lets illegals vote. Big difference.

>>88692992
>democracy is about making everything equal

Nice try, communist scum.

>>88692529
>ten years ago most of 4chan believed that black people were subhumans
Pool's Closed, everyone out!

>>88693323
Not what it's about, but a noticeable by-product. Democracies have more incentives to make life better for the average person, so they do. Dictatorships have fewer incentives to spend wealth on the people, so they don't do it as much. Just look at the difference in air quality between nations that are more democratic and those that are more dictatorial.

>>88692991
I see that you didn't have time to watch the video. It explains how dictatorships are incentivized to consolidate wealth, while democracies are incentivized to spread it around enough to produce a productive, comfortable population.

>>88692693
>live for your job, employees don't need rights or lives outside of the workplace
isn't that the opposite of the message of classic dilbert?
i dunno, i only read a couple strips and watched the show

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>>88688823
He transitioned from making fun of management to selling his own self-help books. What gives??

>>88692876
With the current population distribution in the USA, someone can literally win the presidency (270 electoral votes) with only 22% of the popular vote by winning only the smallest states.

You have substituted being ruled by the coastal territories with being ruled be the farmland. Congratulations, you still don't live in a democracy. (in b4 "murica is a democratic republic" meme. No shit)

>>88693390
>tfw I first came to this hellhole three months after Habbo

At least I was there for the one in the following year.

>>88694014
Well technically I do live in a democracy since I live in a state within the USA.

>>88690375
>I don't know anything about Trump or his love of revenge but I DO get all my news about how badly he's apparently fucking up for real guys!! from CNN and the NYT

Really gotta dig a little deeper sonno.

>>88694014
The electoral college representatives have no obligation to vote for the same candidate the state did anyway.

>>88692992
>>88693048
Why not just have a Communist Democracy?

>>88692963
Are recounts supposed to cost the person calling for the recount even more votes while at the same time letting her fill her purse with kickstarter donations?

>>88694245
Who are you quoting?

>>88692992
>Democracies, on the other hand, have more incentives to keep the great mass of the people happy, and as a result they institute policies aimed at making life better for the people.
ahahahahahahoahohohohohohohohoahaohaohehehoahaohaohohohoahaohoaahaa

>>88694376
>rebbit doesn't understand implications

>>88694392
What are you doing here from reddit? This is 4chan. When you use greentext you don't make yourself smart by making up a quote out of thin air. Your asshurt strawmen isn't really a legitimate argument desu.

>>88694420
This is what we call a highly transparent butthurt post.

>>88688783
Scott Adams, whose only claim to fame is being the author of Dilbert, thinks he's a top 10 target in case of a race war. Dude is a huge idiot. I don't know if it's got anything to dow ith him being alt-right, MRA or whatever you want to call it, but probably.

>>88694454
Is this your first day here from reddit or are you unironically autistic to not know how to use greentext properly?

>>88694458
Have you counted how many death threat tweets he gets? Do you know for certain he's NOT one of the top 10 potential race war victims?

>>88694487
>y-you're from reddit, y-you're autistic, i-i'm not mad at all please stop blowing my arguments out....
Sad!

>>88694497
You're not a top 10 target, Scott. Nobody gives that much of a shit about you.

>>88690014
Yeah, that tends to happen when you illegally import millions of foreigners based on the fact that their children will vote for you

>>88694513
>nobody cares about Scott
>anon is so obsessed with him he thinks Scott is behind another anon's posts
Hmm really makes me think..

>>88694505
>Le Greentext Meme rekt OWNED XD
Holy shit you are autistic.
I'll excuse your retardation, you don't know any better. This is your last (you). And if you want to be taken seriously try to stop sounding so salty, seriously.

>>88694565
Why are you so upset? You realize you're the perfect picture of projecting, right?

>>88694560
>anon is so obsessed with him he thinks Scott is behind another anon's posts

>anon is so obsessed with Scott Adams that he's wasting time defending him on an imageboard

>>88691128
Nah, nah. Episode I/II Palpatine (with orange hair) versus Episode III Palpatine anon.

>>88694593
>trying to pull "I-I know you are but what am I" when it's clear you're the one obsessed with trying to tell everyone how awfully this comic artist touched you in the bad place

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>>88694560
>>88694585
>>88694593
You niggers amuse me.

>>88694611
Yeah dude, you got me, it's me who's obsessed with the dilbert guy and not the guy who's whiteknighting him on an anonymous imageboard.

>>88694634
>w-whiteknighting
This just keeps getting sadder and sadder. You're really going down the checklist of redditor integration buzzwords, aren't you?

>>88688977
>You are unimportant.
>Get out of my office.

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>>88693112
>The more they can show that people with power doesn't like them
But the people with power DO like them. It's the people with power who were shilling for Hillary harder than IGN or kotaku do for vydia. There's that video on youtube that has like two dozens of celebrities trying to talk people into voting for Trump. There was this soundproof bubble where it was parrotted over and over how Hillary had the election in the bag.

>I LAUGH.
I laugh to think how you'll be sucked into conversations with these people for the next four years.
I LAUGH.
I LAUGH at you being your own undoing, and the und--
autism.tiff

>>88694634
>>88694652
Did you know there are no laws in space?

>>88694652

C'mon Scott, you can do better than that.

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>>88694382
You laugh, but the simple fact is that people in democracies have significantly better lives than people living under dictatorships. The incentive structure is much better for them in a democracy, whereas in a dictatorship you get things like this and the government does nothing about it. In a democracy, you get environmental legislation like the Clean Air Act. In a dictatorship, you get talk about how it's just "construction dust."

>Scott Adams will never hypnotize you
Feels bad, man.

>>88694668
>celebrities
>power

Burgerland burgeridiot thinking that the actors from Glee have actual power.
How the fuck is your country so powerful, you're filled to the brim with worthless trash.

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>>88694708
>How the fuck is your country so powerful
We earned it.

>>88694668
>celebrities have power
>every single celebrity in hollywood stood against the man who spent an order of magnitude less running an election that was opposed by the entire existing establishment, all the media outlets, and half his own party
>he still won
wow so much power these celebrities have, i shudder to think what they'll do next time they film their careers ending in front of a white screen

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>>88694014
>in b4 "murica is a democratic republic" meme
>basic knowledge of the country's voting process is a meme
>rhetoric that boils down to "getting the most votes doesn't win? But it's 2016! COME ON" is somehow not the meme

So it doesn't count when the side with the most votes wins (Brexit) and it doesn't count when the side with the technicality wins (Election 2016). When the fuck does it count? And furthermore, why would people want to be ruled by a coastal overclass that can't even study the rules?

>>88693311
oh shit look who just said laws prevent people from doing things, guess it makes sense to control guns now

>>88694697
>Those erotic blog posts he wrote for new years a couple back

>>88694688
Stuff like Flint still happens, and I don't think it's been fixed yet.
Saying that democracy is better seems to me like saying that it's "better" to drink a small glass of piss than to eat a small piece of shit, because drinking can be done in a second or two while you have to actually chew the shit and it tastes much much worse.
It's less bad.

>>88694737
...by being on the other side of the Atlantic during two devastating wars.

>>88693139
>dictatorships never really spread the wealth in the first place because they have no incentive to do so.
They do. It's a very, very brief period, but they do. Of course, the masses will usually spend it quickly and poorly, so they end up under pretty much the same conditions as before the uprising, by which time the government has already locked itself into 'All hail Krull and his glorious new regime!' mode hard.

It happened in my country, where a communist general had several landed estates and gave them to the workers, only for the workers to lay waste to the land and then squander all the goods and money until nobody was left with anything. Same with Venezuela; that oil for a while DID make the country richer for a while, but then the golden-egg-laying goose began shriveling and less than a decade later, the country is a fucking wasteland.

>>88694782
Yes, staying away from two devastating wars seems to be a good idea.

>>88693311
>California lets illegals vote.
lol, these idiots will eat any bullshit the right wing media serves and they'll even lick up the plate after

>>88692030
Evolutionary Biologist here
I just wanted to note my appreciation that you understand evolutionary theory as something more complex than "Nature chose us cuz we is best"

>>88694708
>the actors from Glee
>implying
They hired RDJ and like half the avengers for that short. You think they would've done that shit for free, especially RDJ? A lot of pro-Hillary money was moved during the elections - more money than anybody on this Khmer rice flour sculpting IRC channel will ever see. Powerful people were backing Hillary, anon. Powerful people back liberalism and those identity politics millennials are so taken with.

>>88694382
>>88694688
Is this where someone can chime in with the "unofficial corporatocracy" meme? Is there an incentive for not fucking over the hoi polloi in that sort of system?

>>88694758
Everybody goes for the lesser evil shtick, though.

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>>88694782
Blame it all on Germany.

>>88694668
you're missing the point
the perception of being looked down upon gives people a psychological advantage-- it happened with Hillary's "undesirables" comment, it happened with the accusations of racism and sexism, and it so happens to be one of the things SJWs run on
if they have the new administration viewing them as undesirable, or if people think they do, they get a boost within themselves and among people who are or would be sympathetic, because now they look like the underdog

>autism.tiff
actually I was going for madman.psd, but close enough

it doesn't matter anyway, the US will continue to be the US because of social and political inertia, no one's going to change it for the same reason no one has changed it (aside from a few things), we have it too good here to risk fucking with it

you know it's true, and so does everyone in Washington, including the Tan Boogeyman

>>88694758
Flint made national news without anyone actually dying. Meanwhile, in China 1.6 million people die every single year from their air pollution alone.

Also, Flint happened because the city government was replaced by an unelected, unaccountable city manager who only cared about cutting costs and didn't give a damn about the people in Flint. So he switched the city's water supply and didn't add the proper anti-corrosion treatment to the new water because that would have costed money. The result was that the water leeched all manner of heavy metals and other junk out of the pipes, contaminating the water. If anything, Flint is an example of what happens when you move away from democracy. You get people who care even less about the people they're governing.

>>88694860
Powerful people back both of the parties. How the fuck do you not understand something as simple as that. The Rs are backed by the Koch brothers and every fossil fuel magnate in the country. Also add the various businesspeople that want to get their sweet sweet tax cuts and loopholes. And Wall Street. Or do you think wall Street funds the dems exclusively? And a shitton of toher interests that I don't know about or can't remember.

>>88694943
>Powerful people back both of the parties.
And Trump was backed by neither party.

>>88694809
that's not what they meant
since it was far away, the US wasn't attacked except for a few times by sea, we reaped all the benefits of participating in major wars and none of the drawbacks except losing a lot of soldiers and a moderate amount of equipment
meanwhile Europe was bombed to Hell and back, often times by us

>>88694810
What policies are in effect in California that would not let illegals vote?

https://youtu.be/upn6PpxIQGM

>>88694980
Europe wasn't invaded by a foreign enemy. They shot themselves in the foot. WWI was a mess of their own making, WWII was the continuation of that.
I do not get to complain that my neighbor is rich because I set my own house on fire.

>>88695004
>What policies are in effect in California that would not let illegals vote?

You're asking me to prove a negative (that undocumented people didn't vote) which is logically impossible to do.
You're wrapping the question up in a seemingly different one, of course, but that's the essence of it.

>>88694959
Yes, that's why he ran as an Independent.

>>88690014
While its nice she would've won a game of checkers the fact is they were playing chess and considering how many times she's lost the election you gotta assume she knows the rules by now

>>88695016
You do realize Europe is not a country, right? All of the invasions and attacks were by foreign enemies, attacking other countries in Europe.

>>88695056
Hardly. the question I was responding to was >>88694810 about California letting illegals vote being ridiculous. So attacking that position does indeed take evidence of California actually preventing illegals from voting. If there aren't policies like that in effect, California does in fact let illegals vote.

>>88695162
Remember, the dead have the right to exercise their choice too, and they love voting democrat.

>>88695073
No, that's why the Republican party pulled support for Trump.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/08/republican-party-cuts-trumps-cash-leaves-nominee-wither-die.html

>>88691651
No Edison was actually a pretty okay person, who was a good businessman.

Tessa was the guy who said AC was better and then claimed to make a death ray while sucking Nazi dick.

>>88695162
>To register to vote in California, you must be:
>A United States citizen

>>88695056
Well, actually he's asking you to prove the plausability of your statement. In lieu of hard facts, as a situation like this requires, one must examine what's possible. Let's look at the facts we DO have:
• California has a sizeable population of illegal aliens
• California levies no restrictions on voting
•Liberals have actively encouraged illegals to vote, as seen here >>88695004
• Illegals have, ostensibly, a vested interest in seeing liberal politicians in power

Given all that, the plausibility of illegals voting for Hillary has been established. It's now up to you to refute those points.

>>88695152
Boohoo. WWI was planned decades before by all participants. It was an intentional war eagerly awaited by all. WWII was the direct consequence of their own stupidity.
Again. They intentionally set their own house on fire. The US took advantage of it, just like Europe would have done if it had happened otherwise. Saying that the US was exceptional in that aspect is historically shortsighted.

>>88695004
The same policies as in the rest of the country up until the Supreme Court effectively repealed section 4b of the Voting Rights Act.

>>88695206
>If you would like to register online, you can submit an application by using the California Online Voter Registration website.
>You'll be asked to answer a series of questions and enter your personal information, including:
>Your CA driver's license or ID number.
>Your Social Security number.

>>88695200
To register to vote in California, you need an ID such as a driver's license. You do not need to be a citizen to get a driver's license. I asked about policies IN EFFECT, not policies ON THE BOOKS but not enforced.

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>>88690014
That's because of California. If the election was a straight majority FPTP contest without the electoral system, we'd see far more republican voters in heavy blue states (and vice versa in red states, but California heavily skews things due to population).

>>88695252
>These driver's licenses may not be used for identification purposes.

He shoots and he misses.
I'm not even american and 2 minutes of Google blows your weak ass prison planet alex jones arguments out of the water.

>>88689117
When did triangle hair get so irrational?

>>88692675
Well you need to register to be on the electoral roll, but you don't have to bring ID when you go to vote.

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>>88695255
>everything is underwater

>>88694782
And paying for your reconstruction.
Be a little more grateful, bitch.

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>>88690828
All Trump would have to say is "Look at Venezuela to see what socialism brings you" and Barney Sandals would RIP in piece

Not good enough? Find some people who escaped East Germany before the Berlin Wall fell and give them a microphone and about 15 minutes.

Of course, that's only in a scenario where Bernie wasn't controlled opposition.

>>88692675
You only need to registration on hand in certain states. That said, you need to be a citizen to become registered.

>>88695301
>Examples of acceptable photo ID documents include: Driver's license.
http://www.dmv.org/voter-registration/voter-id-law.php

>>88695306
She's always been angry/irrational when she's wrong or slighted. She's just competent enough that she's not wrong very often.

>>88692281
The oldest democracy on the planet is the UK. They've been having elections for the Commons since at least the 1500s.

>>88694758
>>88694927
This was the issue. I would add thought that along with that there a lack of review by people who knew chemistry and medicine, and that the emergency managers were initially emergency financial managers and nothing more, and that there was some corruption in the city government before that somewhat justified what they did in taking control (but not entirely).
Flint is an absolute mess and no one knows what to do about it. Lansing has been throwing manpower at it for years and it hasn't done much. Flint needs money, it needs people who really care, it needs people who know what they're doing, and it needs to downsize and accept that it's downsizing.
t. white boy that lived in the ghetto in Flint for a decade

>>88695427
>>These driver's licenses may not be used for identification purposes.

Like I said:

>These driver's licenses may not be used for identification purposes.

These = driver's licenses that illegal immigrants get.

http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/ab-60-drivers-license.php

>This is a special driver's license that:
>May NOT be used for identification purposes.


He shoots and misses. Again.

>>88695207
>WWI was planned decades before by all participants.
ooh, a new conspiracy theory! I gotta put this in my scrapbook

>>88695505

it'll probably just end up the same stupid reptile alien bullshit

>>88695505
Dude.
http://www.worldwar1.com/tlwplans.htm

>>88695332
you need to bring registration, don't you? it's like that here and it has been for ages
if not, that's what you should be doing, not requiring ID
if anything that may drive more immigrants to get fake IDs

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>>88695491
>http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/ab-60-drivers-license.php
That's what's on the books. Pic related is what the licenses look like. No one's getting by that, nosiree.

>>88695580
Nope. That would be racist.

>>88695547
http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/plans.htm
>Ever since Germany had inflicted defeat upon France in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71, the major nations of Europe had busied themselves with plans for the next war, seen by many as inevitable given the conflicting ambitions of the major powers;

>>88695583
>employees whose sole job is to check licenses for specific differences won't do that

You're actually honest-to-God dumb, aren't you.

>>88690828
No. America wouldn't vote for a dyed red socialist.

>>88690576
Daily reminder that based /pol/ outed a librul cuck as a mod and got it fired.

http://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/897686/#899169

>>88695547
that doesn't jive still
it says right there the plans were in case war broke out, not for the war they knew was coming
it's also not all participants and it's not decades in advance, it's not even one decade in advance

>>88695620
He's a social democrat, definitely not a socialist and DEFINITELY not a "dyed red" socialist.

>>88695650
See: >>88695601
Seriously. This is basic WWI stuff.

>>88691139
CIA also said there were WMDs in Iraq. Keep those tears coming, though.

>>88695583
I can't wrap my head around how anyone on earth can actually think that it's just an ok thing to have "undocumented" illegal immigrants receiving government services in your country

>>88695617
It's important to check your expectations against reality.
>Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/?utm_term=.112493d541c5

>>88695594
Please fuck off with your baitposting.
If there are gaps to be filled we should fill them, but I'm not going to concede that it's the most important thing to worry about, especially after it couldn't even swing this election.
People already make fake IDs for various purposes, I would be shocked if we didn't see sales of them go up in areas enacting voter ID laws. What then?

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>>88695693
undocumented just means they don't have paperwork, that's not always against the law (as far as I remember)

>>88695693
If they work, they deserve it.
>>88695715
>It's important to check your expectations against reality.
Yes, that's why you're crying about voter fraud when it's never been proven to effect the outcome of an election. Because you're such a reality-based dude.

LOL, even the article is shitting on itself.
>Note: The post occasioned three rebuttals (here, here, and here) as well as a response from the authors. Subsequently, another peer-reviewed article argued that the findings reported in this post (and affiliated article) were biased and that the authors’ data do not provide evidence of non-citizen voting in U.S. elections.

Great find, friend.

>>88695741
The prophecies have been fulfilled.

>>88695693
A license doesn't mean they're getting anything.
Anyway how are we supposed to deal with them if we can't keep track of them? Identification lets us do that.

>see OP
>want a Dilbert thread
>get /pol/ again

>>88695693
>>88695746
For example, let's suppose that Marco's dad is a legal Mexican immigrant, and his mom is native Californian. Suppose further that they were in Mexico around the time that Marco was due, that he was born in a small village without official recordkeeping, and that his parents forgot to file the paperwork when they came back. Legally, Marco would be a US citizen by way of his mom, but that wouldn't have been officially documented. Rare to be sure, but possible.

>>88695825
>>88690953
It's real simple. Too bad too many people on here only give a damn about comics and cartoons if they want to fuck the characters.

>>88695255
>>88695273
Oh fuck I totally forgot that democracies are based on land mass and not individual people. Your images really cleared that up for me, thanks!

>>88690476
>>88690711
yeah no shit. they wanted something to whine about. they love whining

>>88695892
I think his point was that if we towed to Popular vote it would lead to anything that is not in those cities to be ignored and would lead to a pretty bad distopia.

>>88695693
I think it's mostly to force them to learn how to drive. It's more a safety thing than anything.

Also, better if they volunteer to be tracked.

>>88695787
>Great find, friend.
Note what I was using the article for: a poll in which non-citizens, when asked for ID at polls, continued on to vote, directly in contradiction to your imagined state of affairs.

>it's never been proven to effect the outcome of an election
>proven
The point here is that things can happen WHEN POLICIES ARE NOT IN PLACE TO PREVENT THEM. Absent such policies, the most that can happen is polling and statistical anomalies that raise flags but offer little direct election-flipping information. And the popular vote doesn't matter for the US presidential election anyway. That said, there are a few suspicious cases, like the 2008 Minnesota senate election.

>>88695892
Good that the United States of America isn't a direct democracy then because that'd be fucking stupid, isn't it.

>>88695982
It's kind crazy how many dictators manipulated direct democracy and got into power without even being voted it.
It leads to a fuck ton of corruption.

>>88696018
Direct democracy only works on a small scale with a homogenous voter base so that the entire population of a town or small city has their vote matter and all agree upon the general issues and are thus satisfied.

>>88695968
The point here is that you're shitting through your mouth. Policies exist but you don't know about them so they must not exist. Flawless logic. Even after I showed you that you have to be a citizen to vote you're still peddling bullshit.

And you're incapable of understanding that in every system (froim the smallest to the largest) there will be mistakes The best people can do is reduce those mistakes to a minimum amount, so they don't affect the general thrust of the system. And the vote isn't affected.

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>"Russia Hacked the election!"
>Electoral college vote Trump in
>Suddenly silence, nobody even mentions it

Really dilates the imagination doesn't it?

>>88696051
>Policies exist but they aren't actually enforced, so they effectively don't exist.
Fixed that for you.

>The best people can do is reduce those mistakes to a minimum amount
The political establishment in California isn't even trying. Because it is to their benefit that illegal immigrants vote.

>And the vote isn't affected.
The popular vote is, which is what this line of discussion is derived from.

>>88695968
>That said, there are a few suspicious cases, like the 2008 Minnesota senate election.

What a coincidence, it's an election where a Dem beat a Repub.

wiki:
>Subsequent investigations of Minnesota Majority's claims by election officials found that many of their allegations were incorrect. Some of the cases that were submitted involved mistaking a legal voter for a felon with the same name, others involved felons who had had their voting rights reinstated after serving their sentences, and others were felons who illegally registered to vote, but did not vote in 2008 election.

>>88696072
Of course. Trump trolled democrats, who are now saying what they ridiculed Trump for before the election.

>>88696072
>"Hillary's backed by voting fraud"
>Electoral college vote Trump in
>Suddenly silence, nobody even mentions it

Really makes me think what he meant by this.

>>88695935
I'm getting pretty sick of this argument.
People are going to get left behind one way or another. If you're bitter about being a "fly-over state," then make your state better. Don't force the actual literal majority of people down to your level.

The popular vote, apart from appointments, is how every other office is decided. Which other elections should change to accommodate the poor defenseless rural folk?