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Last year on this day I storytimed Pyongyang - A Journey in North Korea by Guy Delisle, this year I'm doing it again.
A biographical comic about a French Canadian Animation director, his life living and working in North Korea for two months. His struggles with the difficulties of outsourcing and the bureaucracy of a totalitarian closed state.
Gather round because the storytime's about to start.
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It was one hell of a ride last year, glad you're back OP
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>>88683225
>>88683239
No problem, it's almost a Christmas tradition at this point.
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>>88683258
>Actually takes George Orwell's 1984 with him to NK, the absolute madman.
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>>88683287
Recommended viewing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyqUw0WYwoc
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I own this, good onya OP
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>>88683311
>>88683304
Guy Delisle's work is definitely worth owning. If you liked this storytime please buy one of his books.
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>>88683297
>they still have not released the second part
fuck em
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>>88683333
>>88683329The Great leader got to them first.
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>>88683397
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3122889/Pictured-fire-Kim-Jong-didn-t-want-Images-emerge-major-blaze-showpiece-North-Korean-hotel-officials-refuse-admit-happened.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7VwnijyVig
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>>88683412
The hotel Guy was staying at even has a hidden floor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glg3mX0edhU
And a video of one of its rooms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsd-4MFYN7A
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>>88683437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yBiW9LB_HA
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>>88683494
Oops forgot to upload a page.
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>>88683505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDMRyrzCimU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnEbVBZIrAE
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>>88683518
The real reason these pictures are at this angle is not to cut out reflection, they're like this so that you always have to look up to the glorious leaders.
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>>88683526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTDvpBfzRPk
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>>88683532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zzY3TSntX8
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>>88683579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V1Xml_XBeM
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>>88683673
>An additional 5 to 6 million individuals, ignored by the regime, are left to fend for themselves.
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>>88683779
Forgot to post a link for >>88683764 >>88683772
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-korea-art-scene_us_55ef4c0ee4b093be51bc9a0a
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>>88683824
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Abduction_of_Shin_Sang-ok_and_Choi_Eun-hee
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/03/kim-jong-il-kidnapped-director-films-north-korea-cinephile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNRhk2Q5s4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuOQhGHdn_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y3s9ehwBhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke3pKKuXUqY
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Thanks for the storytime OP. One of my favourite non-fiction comics ever.
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I wonder if that guy realizes how close he wound up getting his tour guide shot because he wanted to wander off.
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>>88683959
>>88683947
My pleasure!
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>>88683969
After the book came out, people he associated with most assuredly got replaced.
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Thank you OP
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>>88683988
To be fair, that's a pretty accurate description of paris
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I'm pretty sure Ryan Estrada did a comic about his experience in North Korea as well (Cartoon Coup).
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>>88684072
http://ryanestrada.com/cartooncoup/index.html
Nevermind, it was about South Korea.
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>New Regency was working on a film version of Pyongyang, with Steve Conrad to write the script and Gore Verbinski to direct the film, and to star Steve Carell, but this was canceled in December 2014 in the wake of threats made by hackers believed to be tied to North Korea to movie theaters over the film The Interview, which mocks the North Korean regime. The film started pre-production in October 2014, and at the time of cancellation was still without a title. New Regency revealed that the scheduled distributor, Fox, cancelled their participation in the project after the incidents with The Interview.
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>>88684130
>We could have gotten a Pyongyang movie but instead The Interview hacks happened.
Thanks Sony Pictures
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>>88684141
>Directed by the guy who did the first three Pirates of the Caribbean films and the american remake of The Ring
It probably wouldn't have been that good.
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>>88684155
The first Pirates movie was enjoyable and he also did Rango, so I can imagine he could have made it work.
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>>88684184
For something like Pyongyang, it wouldn't work as live-action.
It should be done as animation, like Persepolis was.
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>>88684189
Yeah that would be far more fitting. I mean it's about working as an animator, it really should be animated.
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>>88684197
>>88684189
Who knows at this point, it's a dead project.
http://www.guydelisle.com/divers/farewell-hollywood/
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>>88684218
>looked around on his website
>found this:
http://www.guydelisle.com/traductions/nom-origin/pyongyang/
>Turns out the book actually had a Korean translation
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>>88684418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRYJ9u0sEE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLvJgOgW4hk
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>>88683297
>The part were he talks to her about porn.
Go on.
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>>88684560
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0KdXM2nEsU
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>>88684717
https://youtu.be/JNVCdL908ko
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Giving you a bump
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>>88684826
>>88684816
Thank you
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>>88684982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT061eBUV-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBgMeunuviE
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>>88683297
Are there more videos?
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>>88685007
I post several videos throughout the thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zAZKXrbeqY
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>>88685033
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdhSuJ47Zqw
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>>88685088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TlXmR8ZWH0
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>>88685033
>I post several videos throughout the thread.
Thanks. I read the comic last time and just scrolled down.
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>>88685006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HURZSPpXD54
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>>88685101
She speaks better english than anyone in Japan.
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>>88685186
>>88685173
Pretty sure English speaking Japanese outnumber the North Koreans.
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>>88685211
Everyone learns english in japan but they are super bad at it.
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>>88683248
Great Moments in /co/
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>>88685250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqLspIaeuuQ
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>>88685284
>>88685248
And a ridiculously small privileged few get to learn English in NK.
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>>88685365
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/01/21/north-koreas-gruesome-propaganda-posters-portray-us-military-as-sadistic-and-somewhat-zombified/
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>>88685488
For those of you wondering was cartoon Guy Delisle was working on while in NK was The Bellflower Bunnies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-k5zC_Bpu4
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185090
The end! And with that a Merry Christmas to all! Hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did and until next year!
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>>88685536
>For those of you wondering what cartoon Guy Delisle was working on while in NK it was The Bellflower Bunnies.
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>>88685536
That was quite good.
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>>88685536
Great educational story time.
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>>88685536
Thanks for the storytime, mate. This comic is always a pleasure to read, and a sad one too.
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>>88684060
Always lose it when dude calls Sin his "Groom", and he's more worried about someone thinking he's a captain to pick up the joke.
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>>88684141
The End Is Nigh! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjBQXuWuOak
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I have a hard time understanding why foreigners in North Korea have such a hard time with trying not to cause unnecessary trouble. It always seems to happen.
I get the slip ups, but intentionally taking photos, sneaking out on their own, asking questions they know can't be answered, and generally antagonizing people seems like a dick move.
If I had to be there, I certainly wouldn't want to risk Nork prison, nor would I want to get my handlers and their whole families sent to the mines where they have to paint the stone black and pretend it's coal.
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>>88686145
It's a personality thing. I wouldn't do it either.
I friend of mine asked her grandma about her sex life as a teenager. WHY? Sometimes more social people act more autistic than introverts like me.
I think NK tourists are either clueless or want the James Bond experience. They want to brag to their friends about how brave they are. They probably don't get any trouble but the NK guy next to them will.
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>>88686285
Well that guy who tried stealing a poster got in trouble. But the norks made him into a huge propaganda ordeal, most tourists get away with minor stuff from what I know.
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>>88683971
>CURRENT JUCHE
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>>88683225
You got me to buy this book due to the dumps. I thank you.
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>>88686145
this. I really don't know why people love this comic so much, that guy is always mocking the koreans for no reason other than "lol, their culture is different than mine, what a crazy bunch"
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>>88686145
I doubt he actually got his guides in trouble.
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>>88683383
Damn, Koreans do most of the work load in all animation it seems.
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>>88688548
Even if they ended up just fine, it still obviously had them scared stiff at times.
Even if they agree with the author's views, they certainly can't safely indicate it. So why antagonize them? Why ride their asses about shit that obviously isn't in the cards? Why give purposefully pointed answers to their questions? Why give potential "subversive materials" to your handler? What do these people going to North Korea have to gain by toeing the line like they do?
Just show up, smile and nod, say what they want to hear, ask them to pretty please not destroy your slovenly pig capitalist nation, get paid for your work and leave.
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>>88683868
told [X]
not told [ ]
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>>88683876
oh nvm
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>>88689100
I agree. Throughout reading this, I felt bad for his guides. He made everything difficult for them.
What kind of jackass brings 1984 to North Korea then loans it to his guide for reading?
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>>88683225
Hey OP,
you helped me get through grad school by posting this, so thanks.
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I was in the thread last year, thanks for storytiming again OP
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>>88689492
Did I really? How so?
>>88689541
My pleasure as always anon.
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>>88686145
I think while Americans are capable of appreciating outside cultures, there's a need to challenge and question everything which likely comes off as being obnoxious.
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Thanks OP, I really enjoyed that
>>88690559
He's not american.
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>>88690824
Must be universal with NK.
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>>88689404
The book could be a red pill for N. koreans but getting killed doesn't teach you anything.
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>>88683225
Thanks OP, nice share
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Bumping for interest
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Why outsource animation to north korea of all places
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>>88691882
because they work for a bag of rice instead of a lot of money
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>>88691882
The same reason anything is outsourced, it's cheap. Also some countries are more lax in their willingness to do business with NK.
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>>88691882
It's cheap.
>A separate estimate by the Database Center for North Korean Human Rights issued last December indicated Pyongyang was deploying at least 50,000 people to earn up to $300 million.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/09/20/100000-North-Korea-workers-facing-human-rights-violations-overseas/2451474390641/
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>>88691897
That seems terribly ironic
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>>88691938
Communism is ironic
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>>88691882
The export of NK is limited but they can export art. Many giant statues around the world are made in NK.
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>>88683225
Always a joy to see storytimed. LETS ROLL!
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Thanks op. Finally read this cover to cover.
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>>88685536
This is one of the few comics where you can unironically say: "Really makes you think".And scared.
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>>88685006
wonder what kim was thinking when he saw this? also thanks for the dump!
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>>88684418
This dude is trying to get people killed
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Is Delisle that much of a brown-nosing prick in his other books too, or was it the insanity of the place that made him act like that?
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>>88685536
thanks!
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>>88686145
If you paid attention, you could see he was doing it largely to keep his own sanity in the place.
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>>88691882
They are cheap as fuck, and still produce decent quality. As evidenced by /co/'s brief thing with the lieutenant.
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>>88695018
Most folks would already be exposed to that kind of thing illegally anyway. There's a boom in the selling of black market dvds, where pirated American and South Korean shows and movies are sold regularly. People who buy those are much higher risk than the ones with books.
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I read it last year, but I'll give it a bump
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>>88696709
And that's worth sending some innocent fuck to the gulag?
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Bumping for the great leader
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>>88685488
Oh fug I work at a chicago area liquor store and this just hit me hard. I recommend that shit to people who don't know about cagnac trying to give a cognac lover an ok gift within their prove range. It's like how Johnny Walker Blue Label is the de facto gift of Asian business men to their bosses even though it's horribly over priced and I could recommend a dozen better bottles for less. Oh man this is the moment where it hit me hard.
Thank you so much for the story time. I've loved it.
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>>88686285
Because if you're an honest person who doesn't have a hard time opening up about things you want to know how other people feel about things. It's natural like that. You just want to know their perspective and you want others to be as open and honest as you. That's why people tend to like extroverted people. They genuinely want to know your perspective.
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>>88683225
Loved the last storytime.
Appreciated being introduced to this comic.
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>>88688292
You didn't watch the videos. There are people dying of starvation. Have you visited any Asian city? I went to Xian China as a 19 year old and it blew my mind. They were obsessed with Michael Jackson and Michael Jordan and loved hearing that I was from Chicago just because they knew the Bulls. They were amazed that I could dance and sing and pick other women up like they were nothing. Like oh wow a girl can pick up another girl? They literally didn't know of weight lifting so I showed them some lifts while using my Chinese friend as a weight. Simple stuff like squats and deadlifts. They were fucking astounded. I was even spat on by a chubby cigarette smoking Chinese dude for being a white blonde woman. The Chinese girls I was with were way more offended than me and were incredibly upset when I didn't even give a shit.
If China cam be that strange I can't even imagine North Korea. Hell, in China the high ways were immaculate with hardly another car and there were people sweeping them for no fucking reason. It was so strange. This is entirely believable and if you have any self confidence you'll find yourself asking the same questions.
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>>88698938
Oh, and I was told by my guide, who happened to be the stepmother of my friend who got me to Xian in the first place that the high ways were owned by the local factories. This was when all the info about people committing suicide at Chinese factories was a thing, with them installing nets to catch them and all. So apparently the conditions in those factories was so poor that people were killing themselves but the companies could still afford hiring women to sweep the highway clean every day. Fucking insane.
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Thank you, OP. This is a great read and I appreciate you having shared it.
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>>88683225
I remember, it seems like it's been longer.
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>>88700797
It's a yearly thing so you might have missed it last year.
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>>88698938
You sound a bit unusual even for western standards.
The suicide rates of chinese in factories is bit of a myth they are not that high compaired to the chinese who live in the really poor parts of china.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqSODQMTvBU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOB_myDopZ8
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>>88702323
I don't know, the guy says they are all actors but has no proof. They act strange isn't a proof. They are NKs of course they act strange.
I believe him but it doesn't feel right.
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>>88698938
>"they were amazed by my feats of strenght and godlike looks"
this is the more american comment I've ever read. please stop getting drunk in china
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>>88703052
assmad Canadian detected
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>>88705341
Nice save from page 10
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>>88698938
This comment is dumb. It makes me mad, but I need to stop and realize that this is pretty typical coming from an American.
I can't read this comment and not think that you spent your entire time looking down on people with the perception that they weren't as "civilized" as you were. The only reason any of them showed interest in you at all was because you were an alien curiosity. No shit they know what lifting is, they just found it compelling to see some white bitch do it.
Xian is a MASSIVE city, and it's clear that the local government has been putting massive amounts of fuck you money into infrastructure development for decades. For reference, when i lived there 20 years ago, even in the slummy neighborhood I was in, there was already a KFC and a 5 story mall down the street selling Nintendos. Even back then, it was about as developed as Spokane, though not as well developed as New Jersey. Even so, big cities in China like Xian have been commercialized for decades now. Unless you were 19 in the 80s, I just can't see how you could have such an inflated ego about things. I've been skyping with my family there since skype came out for fuck's sake and you think LIFTING is impressive?
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Thanks for the storytime. Years back, this was probably the first storytime I read on /co/, and the discussion was so great and thoughtful. One of my favorite /co/ memories. It was also the first gift I ever received from a /co/ Secret Santa thread, so this book has a special place in my heart. Always enjoy giving it another go.
I agree with comments upthread about DeLisle kind of being an asshole, but I like how in this and his other travelogues he doesn't really make himself into some kind of perfect being. He seems to know and acknowledge his behavior, which is something a lot of people might not.
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>>88706561
Glad to hear that anon, did you drop by the Christmas cheer thread this year?
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>>88708266
Oh yes, I was very active.I'm Tajador.
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>>88701277
That wasn't my point, I was just creating a time frame for my visit. It was a strange juxtaposition.
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>>88703052
You've never had a group of Chinese girls gush at something stupid you did. I was going to hip hop dance lessons with my friend. They didn't even charge me because I was a novelty. Fun times. Don't get me wrong, China is a great place but man some of the things like sweeping a mostly empty high way come off as rather strange. It was interesting to see that they did that in North Korea as well.
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>>88705974
I tried so hard to find a gym whole I was there with free weights. It isn't a thing. The one I did find had a pitiful selection and hardly anyone was ever there.
What crawled up your ass and died? The people were incredibly friendly except that one spitting asshole. Hell, I never said anything about the place being shabby or backwards, just that there were some things that struck me as strange. Like how many people just littered everywhere, throwing their trash wherever they pleased. There were guys whose job it was to pick up that litter. Kind of ridiculous. But no, making that observation makes me a typical loud rude American.
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>>88710762
Looks like the worlds hardest "Guess who?"
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>>88683876
were those rooms with the nonogonal doorways in team america? i could swear i've seen that before...
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>>88710762
Actually no one pays attention.
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>>88683268
I wouldn't´t call it "madman".
Many parts of 1984 only works because the reader has Fluency in how A Western Society works.
From literature, "the free press", election systems, and such.
1984 is in many more ways a highlight and a critic of social trends, than a real satire of a banana republic.
>>88683297
Ah, smoking in car.
Its like I am back during the early 80s.
And decided to take the bad idea: Lets hitchhike with a relative instead of driving somewhere
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I feel very sorry for the people of North Korean, but reading up and learning about life in NK is always very interesting.
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>>88712513
Agreed. It's terrifying if you ever stop to really think about the conditions and the fact that there are actual people trapped there, but there's definitely something fascinating about it.
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>>88712463
>1984 is in many more ways a highlight and a critic of social trends, than a real satire of a banana republic.
Na, it's clearly a critique of communist systems.
>Newspeak
>doublethink
>fake opposition
>everyone spies on everyone
>mandatory love for the big brother
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>>88683508
Oh, so the Frenchie has not heard Folk Music.
Or expensive suits of Folk Music??
It sounds like that.
Its a good description, but it misses its mark
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>>88683225
yussss.
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>>88683868
Its not that far off the mark.
Gommie Vietnam devoured Capita Vietnam.
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>>88710762
>red: No pin visible. Clearly unpatriotic
>blue: Not watching/asleep. Traitors of the state that can't look at the greatness of Korea without their demonic eyes burning.
>green: Suspicious motherfucker is gonna report you. Report him first!
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>>88712796
All 5 of those isn´t gommie mandatory.
You can even have those in hardcore capitalist states.
Newspeak and doublethink is standards in commercials and spreads of product information.
Newspeak is a special kind of standard, even if 1984 takes it to new heights
Fake opposition generally has to be banned, just like diluted fake opposition(brand names, "generic brand", etc)
The last 2 is "normal" as a part of the human condition.
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>>88712463
>North Korea is a banana republic
Where the fuck are all the bananas. Or any food for that manner?
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>>88684031
This is great
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>>88698938
They are in awe because they think foreigners are impressive. White people have an easier time in China because they are white. Police will be more lenient when you break the law, hooking up is much easier because 'dating a foreigner' is way up on the list of things that make you posh in China(and also subsequently lead to Chinese men of accusing foreigners of stealing all the available women), and people will be almost nauseatingly polite around you. Essentially because you aren't Chinese, you are like some delicate flower and having one nearby is like an unofficial status symbol.
example: /co/ anon from a while back who shared his stories of being an office pet: A white guy getting a paid position in a Chinese company to sit in a chair and be white.
Which in turn lead to /co/ creating a series of ideas for a drama series, but point being.
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>>88685167
>where does the rice come from?
Given when this was made, I'm gonna have to say: The U.S through the Red Cross. Of course they covered up the U.S stamp on the bags first.
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>>88684297
Is this another of the pages, where he does´t get it at all?
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>>88683910
Did Guy copy any actual Korean for any of the book (signs, etc.), or just make it all up?
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>>88685536
So we have accidentally consumed NORK communist propaganda?
neat
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>>88713404
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>>88714835
No he was overseeing animation on a French cartoon, not a NORK propaganda cartoon.
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>>88685536
thanks, OP
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>>88683225
OP, I think I first read this last year and I found it really fascinating. Thanks for the reprisal of the storytime!
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Bumparoo
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>>88713377
>All 5 of those isn´t gommie mandatory.
Yes but it happened all the time. They invent new words and make people talk that way.
Children actually did rat out their parents to the authorities. They literally changed the history books. People did get send to Gulags because they didn't clap enough.
Sorry but"Just like our society" is edgy teenager bs. 1984 isn't about first world problems.
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>>88685101
she has a better jawline than me and i want to have a bitter, patriotic fight ending in national hate-sex with her
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Gentle reminder that North Korea is best Korea
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>>88683225
Oh thanks man, I really loved the story last year.
Couldn't find a copy though.
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here is a bump for Stan
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>>88683225
Thank you, based OP
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