ITT: Your controversial /co/ opinions

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-Age of Ultron was bad, but still better than Civil War
-Young Justice season two was kinda bad
-Batman would definitely beat Superman because supes would let himself die rather than kill bats

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>>88678868
>Ben 10 is garbage the whole way through.
Them there's fighin' werds.

Total Drama Action was a fine cartoon

Cartoon fags are killing this board. They are almost as bad as the /tv/ faggots.

>>88678868
I agree with most of those but
>>New Genesis and Apokolips are dumb ideas and appear WAY too often in DC comics.
I only half-agree with this; you have to keep in mind Jack Kirby created the Fourth World mythos intending it to be a mostly self-contained saga with a predetermined ending he would build towards, but then he got fired and spent the 80s using his ideas on how to conclude it in books like Captain Victory, for third party publishers. I do agree that editorial has overused it because it's one of the few "high concept" circles of the DCU to make it into the DCAU, so they know they can count on everyone to know about it, while creating new and equally outrageous ideas (like Morrison did in every other issue of JLA) is haaaaard.

>>88679224
We've been both for a long time. The problem are any pandering shows, whether they're pandering to shippers or SJWs

Harley and Ivy are more iconic than Joker and Harley and Harley and Ivy should have been the front pairing of the DCEU

I think the Stan Lee meme is stupid and unfunny.

>>88678868
Do you mean like flash Tv show? Because if not, Flash not having good arcs would contradict first opinion.

>>88678868
New Avengers is fucking awful.

Irredemable started so nice, that Fear of having fucking "Superman" chasing you and you and your team trying to fix things while he hunts your friends down was great

But then lol shit went into a way that lmao I am ended up disgusted 6/10

>>88679229


What was Kirby's plot line for ending the Fourth World? I know the stuff he built but didn't know about the planned ending.

Comics and cartoons are different enough that putting them on the same board is a weird choice.

the only good cape comics currently running are Copra, deathstroke and green arrow
likewise, much of the stuff published by image these days is conventional sci-fi/fantasy with a few twists thrown in to keep things 'fresh' and the rate at which people eat them up is insulting.
Greg Rucka's work with gay characters specifically lesbians borders on the fetishistic
Brandon Graham is currently the best living creator in comics and has his own unique niche down
I haven't enjoyed cartoons since young justice ended
/co/ needs about 60% more storytime threads and actual discussion of things, not bitching and complaining 24/7

>>88678868
>Kingdom Come
>Ben 10 is garbage the whole way through.
>The Flash has never had a good arc.
>Sinestro War was poorly written.
>New Genesis and Apokolips are dumb ideas and appear WAY too often in DC comics.
Your opinions are shit.

>>88679445
if they were split they would get /lit/-tier levels of traffic

>>88679625
>not like Kingdom Come
are you fucking stupid

>>88679665
Kingdom Come is crap that's highly valued only because Ross' art is phenomenal. /co/'s gone over this time and again and I'm not going to break it down at 12 at night for your pleb ass. Look it up in the archive.

>>88679683
>/co/
>knowing anything about good comics

kek

>>88679665
not him but let's break it down
>alex ross still frame paintings that while quite beautiful, do not lend themselves to a medium where one of the main goals of the artwork is the visual portrayal of movement in all its forms
>another "superman is a fascist" story because uncreative writers think a unique story is evil superman
>joyless and morbid in its desperate bid for relevancy
>right wing reactionary garbage
>heavy handed messages and metaphors and weird religious overtones

>>88679581

I agree with all of your points anon, except I enjoy a few more capeshit books.

If Invader Zim aired today /co/ would fucking hate it.

I didn't think Legend of Korra was nearly as bad as /co/ made it out to be.

>Tomboy is fucking awful.
>Ellis' Moon Knight was bland and forgettable.
>Hickman was never good.
>Providence has no redeeming qualities, just like anything related to Lovecraft
>body horror is fucking hilarious and I don't see how anyone can look at any example of it without laughing
>Worm is just awful
>both Teen Titans and TTGo are equally terrible.
>Conway's Carnage is boring
>nothing about Valiant is good
>Wonder Woman was never a good character and never had any good runs
>Greg Weisman is an overrated mediocrity
>I hate Ed Brubaker
>AtLA is terrible

>>88679632
Why do people pretend that a slower board would be a bad thing?

>I genuinely liked Ruins. It had that Morrison's Arkham Asylum vibe (maybe due to the art of the first half of the book and how nightmarishly inside reality was shown).
>Fantastic Four getting shelved was for the best, I genuinely don't want to see them getting handled by today's Marvel.
>Even though I hate the state of today's Marvel, I still see potential on some of the legacy characters and The Inhumans - I have faith in Ewing's Inhumans Prime.
>I'm afraid Rebirth's success will only make DC cater on the nostalgia angle and bring another era of creative stagnation to the publisher.

Lemire would be an amazing writer if he started writing what he's usually good at. He's a completely different writer when he doesn't have to phone in for hire or write movie pitches for Image.

>>88680100
>Ellis' Moon Knight was bland and forgettable.
>nothing about Valiant is good
>Greg Weisman is an overrated mediocrity
>AtLA is terrible
How does it feel to be wrong about some of the things you said?

Loeb and Sale are both great and they're even better working together.

>About 99% of DC and Marvel is complete shit at this point and I see very little point in reading any of the newer comics made by them when there is a cornucopia of better comics both old and new out there.
>Morrison makes good stuff but a lot of his work is incredibly overrated.
>The MCU film are mostly stale at this point and the only movies I've truly enjoyed have been the first Iron Man and Winter Soldier.
>The DCU is my guilty pleasure but it's frustrating to see the novel ideas and aesthetics behind brought down by bad decisions and some of the worst editing I've ever seen.
>I'm mildly miffed that /co/ is dominated by the Big Two and the movie adaptions.
>Waifufaggotry seems like it gets worse and worse with each year to the point people will gladly watch a shit show if it has a character design they want to fuck in it.
>Sometimes I feel like a contrarian hipster but it seems like the only worthwhile comics to read are independent titles and older stuff.
>The French are better than almost any country as a whole at animation.

>>88680100
>Providence has no redeeming qualities, just like anything related to Lovecraft
What bad about Lovecraft? His prose may be a bit stale but everything else is top notch. Not to mention he basically created his own genre of horror which is one of the most difficult to do the right way.

>>88680100
>Ellis' Moon Knight was bland and forgettable.
Thank you

Winter Soldier was a garbage film.

I would pay top dollar for professionally made capeshit comics that have guaranteed gay porn in it every issue

>>88679331
Everyone dead. DC wanted to continue using characters so...

>>88680254
>I'm afraid Rebirth's success will only make DC cater on the nostalgia angle and bring another era of creative stagnation to the publisher.
They've been very happy to experiment with their smaller titles which is good. Rebirth is a mixed bag but the way they've been doing it and their mindset going into it have been top-notch

>>88678868
>Mark Waid is a phenomenal writer. He's had some missteps, but work is almost always way above average.
>The Flash has never had a good arc.
I had my suspicions with the first line then you went and confirmed it

this is a shitpostan thread

Comics are outdated and very expensive media of entertainment. You have to dish out ~4 dollars for an ish each month, for several months, to get a bigger picture; very expensive in the long run and you still run the risk of not feeling entertained by it in the end. Even TV series are once a week.
And how they're writing stories right now, where it's taking so long to resolve one plotline, so many issues where nothing is happening or at least no hero vs. villain action, and all the event tie-ins in the middle of it, is not helping any.
You cannot jump in the middle, you cannot even start from a #1 issue anymore, if you're completely new to comics cause they will still expect you know what's what, especially the big 2.
And the movies don't draw in new people. Well they do but their numbers are negligible. If sales spike up a bit for a comic book aided by a movie, it's still only bought by people who generally buy comics.
Noobs to comics who try to find their way in after a movie, are always left disappointed by how poor it is (20 pages of fucking nothing for 4 dollars and see you next month) and how unfamiliar it is, compared to the movie they just watched.
Sale charts today compared to those of say, 20 years ago, shows how the industry can't replenish its clientele even with the golden age superhero movies. I mean movies of literal-whos for the normies, are still gathering crowds in the cinemas and turn in a good profit but the comics just won't sell.
If movies and games can't bring new blood in the industry, if pandering to SJWs, women and PoC can't bring any new crowds either, comics will die.
As a long time fan, being very displeased of their resorting to pandering, sacrificing my fave chars into the altar of diversity, I do want them to die so I won't have to watch them dragged into the mud and remember only the good times.
I'd have liked it be with a spectacular bang, crashing down the industry, but like the poet said, it's gonna be with a whimper instead.

>>88679246
>more iconic

This part isn't an opinion, it's just a false statement

Morrison's run on Action Comics was great.
I liked the ultimate cut of Batman vs Superman, but I admit it has some problems.
Civil War is one of Marvel's best movies while Avengers is one of its worst.

>>88681959
>If movies and games can't bring new blood in the industry, if pandering to SJWs, women and PoC can't bring any new crowds either, comics will die.

This might be a good thing. Sometimes an industry crash is a lot like a forest fire.

Gillen and Ewing are basically the same writer, but one fetishes gays and one black people

>>88682021
The industry will never recover and attain its once former glory.
In this day and age, comics just cannot compete with the other media of entertainment.
If they crash and reset, they will have to shrink and abandon the idea of ever selling to a larger group of people - or else, they're in for more consecutive crashes without any more golden ages in between.

>>88682074
man I don't know even know how to approach this

>>88682021
Are you sure? Are you sure this isn't just paranoid headcanon about how persecuted intolerant people are in a diverse world where "SJW' inclusion is a practical necessity?
Comics were messaging decency and values long before this "SJW" meme was created to troll all sorts of publishers into self-censoring.
I mean, Christ, just hold a fucking book burning if you hate free speech that much.
Marvel didn't go through their bankruptcy during their hippie counterculture era of the '60s, they didn't have massive drops in sales during their inclusion pushing during the '70s, when things went wrong was during the '80s and '90s and the embrace of shallow edgelord Big guns - Big boobs - Big sholderpads. That's when the business almost failed.
How did they recover? By doing what they're doing right now.
There's a business model that works and a business model that doesn't.
Stop pushing for the idiotic choice to the consumers. It's stupid.

>>88682140
>How did they recover?
by selling the movie rights to their biggest properties
>doing what they're doing right now.
the exact same business model of massively overprinting variants and #1s that led to their bankruptcy in the 90s?

>>88682140
not OP, but yeah I'm pretty sure

>>88678868
>Irredeemable and Kingdom Come alone should seal him as one of comics' best.
>Irredeemable

If you had only listed Kingdom Come first I could have left you alone. Irredeemable is exactly as the title describes.

>Ben 10 is garbage the whole way through.
Not the WHOLE way through. I admit it's nothing groundbreaking, but the franchise was enjoyable enough. Well, at least the original series and Omniverse was.

>The Flash has never had a good arc.
Blatant lies.

>New Genesis and Apokolips are dumb ideas and appear WAY too often in DC comics.
Also blatant lies. They're not dumb, they're just overused to the extent the original draw of the concept has become muddled.

I listen to vaporwave unironically

I don't think it matter if something is from America, Japan or somewhere else.

Continuity isn't worth it.

>>88683423
It really doesn't, it's just that a certain kind of people blindly hate one that isn't the other.

>>88679264
I agree. Stan's really not a good writer. He's just a forced meme. He was only really good for the soulsucking jokes honestly.

>>88683563
>was
Do you know something we don't?

>>88683479
continuity's worth it. stakes aren't.

>>88683423
My Grandfather stormed Omaha, so yes, it does.

>>88683563
the soul sucking joke is overplayed and dumb.

>>88682007
>Morrison's run on Action Comics was great
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion.

>>88678868
Mark Waid is a genuinely terrible writer. The fact that comic book fans think he was once good speaks volumes of how plebeian this industry is. He doesn't understand nuance, subtlety, doesn't do high concepts, doesn't do a good job with world building, doesn't create anything worthwhile. Guy is the typical cape writer except he doesn't even put heart into his works, he just inserts some SJW faggotry(yes, open your fucking eyes, he's been doing this shit for 20 years, it's not a recent thing), guy has no self awareness. The worst thing about Waid is that he thinks he's clever and smart but writes the same old tired stagnant cape shit.

>>88683587
Why did your grandfather storm Nebraska?

>Tomboy is fucking awful.
>both Teen Titans and TTGo are equally terrible.
>Conway's Carnage is boring
>Wonder Woman was never a good character and never had any good runs
>AtLA is terrible

Signs of a contrarian

>Mark Waid is a phenomenal writer. He's had some missteps, but work is almost always way above average. Irredeemable and Kingdom Come alone should seal him as one of comics' best.

>The Flash has never had a good arc.

Which one is it? Mark Waid wrote The Flash for nearly a decade. Just about everything about Wally West came from him.

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>>88683623
>>the creator of the Speedforce doesn't do world building well and hasn't had a creative idea.Blatant lies

>>88683854
The Speed Force is underdeveloped and inconsistent as fuck.

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>>88683913
It's pretty simple if you ignore Geoff johns need to use it to jerk Barry and Eobard off

>>88683812
>contrarian
What a retarded word. Has the redit way completely overtaken 4chan? Anything but the hivemind is bad? Popular opinion is the only opinion?

The Dark Knight Strikes Again and All Star Batman and Robin, the boy wonder are both great works and fits in perfectly with the world and characterizations of the TDKR-verse.

>>88678868
Damian is the best Robin not counting Dick as he is his own man.
Supporting modern Marvel movies or comics should be a bannable offense given what they are doing to the industry. Legend of Korra and Gravity Falls were bother perfectly fine shows and the cartoon side of /co/ are all just bitter as fuck and have to hate the shoes they watch.
Same thing happening with Steven Universe now.

>>88684013
>All Star Batman and Robin
Reminder that it will never be finished.
Fuck it hurts saying that. I just want to see Batman fuck some more criminal's up.

Grant Morrison is everything Alan Moore wishes he could be.

>>88678868
>>New Genesis and Apokolips are dumb ideas and appear WAY too often in DC comics.
NG and Apok. are excellent ideas when written properly. And they rarely are. Kirby was the master at it and nothing in the new DC shows that they have a writing team able to copy him. It's like the grimdark crushing oppression of WH40k. There's only so much of it that you can tolerate, then only so much of it that you can put up with while heading towards ragequit. Heck, wasn't the motivation for half the Apocalypse-involved characters for them to leave because they've had enough of this?
>In fact we need more "society horror" comic books. Something to take a good look at the way of the world today and be harsh about how we think about it, rather than being harsh to each other.

>Comics nowadays are poorly written, too softly written. Oh there are gems, without question, like I am Suicide Batman. But they've come to rely on art that can't deliver, to distract from text that should be there.

>The Clone Conspiracy Spiderman stuff is great. Twists, turns, revelations that have you searching your back issues. Actual good ideas on how to use things. It's good. It's like Superior Spider took another step with another character.

>Comic books are for kids. Yes, we've got all the JLA and Avengers and stuff, but there should also be a choice of comic books for the under-10 crowd- not a choice of what comic to get for someone under-10. Where's all the Richie Rich, Teeny Titans, Power Pack? We've got ours, but where's theirs?

>Everything with The Inhumans for the past few years has been a mistake.
>They should never have brought back Bucky.
>There are too many X-men comics.
>They shouldn't replace comic book characters with the version of characters shown in tv versions of those comics. "Whoever the actor's guild sent us" doesn't cut it. Brown Wally West, this means you.
Irredeemable, Kingdom Come, and Empire were all great. Waid's not batted perfect since.

>>88678868
Mark Waid really was brilliant once upon a time. I'm not sure what Kool Aide he drank, but he is not the same man he used to be and we just have to accept that he'd rather #BLM than tell good stories. It's best for all of us that he's over at Marvel now, where the color of your character's skin and what they have between their legs is the number one newsworthy issue at any given time.

>>88684066
Grant Morrison hasn't actually interacted with a real human being since his run on Justice League of America. I read his book, and it was some of the most ridiculous, eye rolling piffle. I had to stop reading when he started talking about the beautiful transwoman waitress in France who was serving him and his artsy friends New Year's Eve hipster cocktails and farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt...

I'd much rather be hangingout with Moore in his snake god cave any day of the week.

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>>88684163
If I was Moore, I'd want to punch him in the mouth, too.

>>88681982
Yeah, nah

This board is way too focused on action cartoons over comedy.

>It would ultimately be good for the industry if the Big Two shut down.
>Grant Morrison's run on New X-Men was fucking awful.

>>88683934
it's pretty stupid is what it is.

>>88679581
>/co/ needs about 60% more storytime threads and actual discussion of things, not bitching and complaining 24/7
How controversial.

>>88683588
>overplayed
Not our fault he's actually lived this long.

>>88682140
>messaging decency and values
>"Mansplaining"
>retconning characters to be gay
>affirmative action legacies

Fuck off, cuck, and leave my picture books alone.

Legend Of Korra was good.

The X Men franchise declined when writers started making Xavier into a shady dude.

Cyclops is wrong half of the time.

>>88684124
>There are too many X-men comics.
This will always be wrong.

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Simpsons has always been bad, completely inferior to KOTH and South Park

Futurama had some gems of episodes, but for the most part sucked

Drawn Together was awful

Teen Titans wasn't that great and was inferior to every DC cartoon that came before it in the 90s era

EE&E was a good show, but quite overrated by it's cult like fanbase

The MCU has some great movies in terms of popcorn flicks, but just as many stinkers

Dark can still be good and I feel like people who have a knee jerk reaction to anything "dark" or "edgy" are likely very young and just trying to rebel against shit that was cool to the previous generation

Brown girls are hot, but Kamala is not, she's just annoying

MLP FIM is still the best daytime kids show on the air

HUB was a way better network than CN, Disney, or Nick have been back when it was still relevant and alive

Wolverine > Cyclops, period

The Joker actually IS Batman's greatest foe despite how overused he is and how shitty some people write him, nobody else comes close to being the "leading man" rogue for Batman

>>88684399
So, X-Men were never good?

>>88684215
I would say that cartoonfags are too focused cartoons from CN, Disney and NIck than anywhere else. Also their strange need for a 24/7 general about every cartoon show.

>>88684547
generals are just here for waifuposting

the waifu threads in general have to stop
>hurr durrdurr I want to fuck a pig

>>88684215
Most comedy cartoons (keyword, most) don't have much to discuss....they usually exist just to be a vehicle for jokes rather than have an engaging world that autists and children can obsess over, and talk about endlessly on the internet

>>88684584
I don't think you know what a "general" is, a general is a thread that is meant to be a catch all thread for a topic instead of allowing multiple threads for said topic to sprout up out of control

If someone makes a thread with a specific topic, even if it's something so dumb as wanting to fuck a cartoon pig, it doesn't count as a general...it's just a specific thread with oddly a very specific topic

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>David Willis used to be a good webcomic creator.
>Ratatouille is the best Pixar film
>Adventure Time still has some good episodes

>>88684621
Yes I was talking about generals and waifu threads, though if you ever had been in a general you'd know it's nothing but waifuposting
that's why there's space between the two sentences you fuckng retard, learn to read

>>88684682
Generals are cancer, but you don't know what one is. A waifu thread is also not what you're talking about, you fucking filthy newfag.

You're referencing the Sing thread, which is not a waifu thread or a general, fucking lurk moar before you post.

Also go google what "lurk moar" means, I'm sure you'll have to

>>88678868
>Morrison's X-men was HEAVILY overrated, and his portrayal of Scott was insanely boring until the final arc
>X-factor with the O5 was boring and a disservice to the characters. The only good thing that came out of that was Apocalypse

>>88679331
Consider that the Old Gods were Marvel's Asgardians.

>>88678868
no argument here

>>88683588
Thank you.
>some D-list celebrity dies, he can't get away with this XDD
I fucking hate you bastards and I hate that me learning about Leonard Cohen's death was through your shitty meme.

I don't like how so many comics are mainly in big cities. I know there are a few that don't, but I want to see more. I remember someone saying that the problem was something along the lines of a lower risk. What about emotional risk? The less people there, the more likely the hero knows the people who are in danger.

Just do something crazy like in Appalachian Kentucky where most people barely have money.

>>88679049
>-Age of Ultron was bad, but still better than Civil War
This is a really bad opinion, Anon.

>>88684443
Agree with all of this, aside from
>Joker is best
I know it might be true, but I just can't feel that way...I feel like with proper handling all of Batman's villains could easily take that spot, but Joker just gets it cause of popularity

A lot of Image books that this board adores are as bad or worse than bad cape books. Very much including Prophet.

>>88686450
What's wrong with Prophet?

>>88679049
Fucking retard

>>88681322
I think Lovecraft is simply kinda hard to "get" as horror nowadays. Sure, horror can still work in brutal gory ways, but we're quite accustomed to this in more detail than Lovecraft gives. OTOH seing the weirdness and the cold indifferent cosmos as "all there is" (there's no "good", "evil" is just a question whether you're eating or eaten, and honestly, the universe doesn't care) was way more horrifying hundred years ago.

>>88686608
the writing

>>88683588
>>88685025
This. Soulsucking Stan is one of the lamest memes ever. It's hardly creative.

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>Bendis is the worst writer of Marvel and he never was good

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>>88678868
>The Global Rule 3 (the part about anthropomorphic animals) and /co/ are incompatible. Tons of /co/ related characters are "furries".
>Miracleman is better than Watchmen in every single way
>JUSTICE is boring and lame
>/aco/ is fucking shit and should be deleted. A /trash/-like version of /co/ for the cartoon/comics generals is a better model.

>>88679049
>Age of Ultron was bad, but still better than Civil War

No and yes.

No, it was way worse. The script, the dialogues, the internal consitency, it's relevance, it's schedule, in pretty much any conceivable way, it's worse. But OTOH, yes, it was pretty much irrelevant and didn't drag as many series down tie-ins, so there's that redeemable quality, which might make it better for those who don't like events at all.

>>88678868
>>Mark Waid is a phenomenal writer. He's had some missteps, but work is almost always way above average. Irredeemable and Kingdom Come alone should seal him as one of comics' best.
That's controversial? I thought most people loved Waid except when he's not doing MUH 60s characters. Personnaly, I think he's a generally shit writer (FF, Flash, Ka Zar, Champions, Avengers) with some rare strokes of genius (JLA)

>>88687433
Can you be more specific?

capeshit is garbage because super heroes are bad characters naturally(except for astro city because its about the implications of living in a super world)

>>88687676
>strokes of genius (JLA)
Even if you like that shit, you can't seriously think it's "genius".

>>88687655

did Age of Ultron have any real affect at all on the Marvel U?
for a Bendis event its one of those things I really forget even happened.

The director's cut of BvS is an amazing movie.
Big Hero 6 is far more intelligent, deep, well-written, and subtle than /co/ will ever give it credit
EE&E is a dreadful show with irredeemably awful characters, a garbage art-style and grating voice acting
The new Injustice and MvC games look terrible
The only decent Pixar movie is the first Toy Story.
The Incredibles is utterly unwatchable and massively, massively overrated. It also doesn't even look as good as Pixar movies that came before it. The only good thing to come out of it is the mom looking at her ass in the mirror.
The original TT show isn't very good outside of the central characters. TTGO is still pretty bad.
Cyclops is a self-righteous dickhead

>>88687784
It was referenced in an (Bendis written) Avengers Anual, pulished YEARS before Age of Ultron (speaking of a fucked up schedule, eh?), and I think it played a little part in Bendis' "The O5 are back, time is broken, we don't have to explain shit" - run of X-men.

>>88687695
no he can't because he's shitposting

>>88687695
>>88687837

different person, I read the first two arcs of Graham's Prophet and just found it meandering and without purpose.

most of the side stories about the alternate versions of John Prophet really didn't add much except to cut down the page count needed to focus on the primary story, something relatively common in Graham's works (which is cool in something like King City and Multiple Warheads, which are generally plotless, but is just annoying when trying to actually tell a story)

>>88684226
>>It would ultimately be good for the industry if the Big Two shut down.

the industry in any traditional sense would be dead, but ok.

>>88687732
Agreed. They're too unrealistic and creatively bankrupt to ever be good. Really that goes for any comic that uses unrealistic bullshit to tell a story

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>>88687933
so comics should all just be American Splendor-type slice of life?

>>88687933
>>88687732

the problem (especially since you brought up Astro City as a good example of superhero media) is that DC/Marvel can't afford to let real change and growth happen to their characters

>>88687933
I'm fine with unrealistic bullshit, I just don't like capeshit because heroes are generally boring mary sues that aren't interesting or relatable characters

>>88687973
That's a good point, especially with the licensening and now film franchises. I don't mind DC/Marvel existing or anything, I just hate how comics in america is synonymous with capeshit when the medium is capable of so much more

>>88687979
Why are you fine with unrealistic bullshit? It's always contrived because the writers are backs who can't come up with something interesting and not retarded
>>88687954
Better then capeshit and dumb monsters

>>88687999
By unrealistic bullshit I mean like sci-fi or magic or whatever, aka non real settings, hard to argue when you're trying to define "unrealistic bullshit" senpai

>>88688017
Yeah that's what I mean. Shit that can't happen in real life.

>>88687885
I think you might have misunderstood what the "primary" story is.

Did you think it was about the protagonist of the first three issues? As it turns out he gets killed off midway through the series, because he isn't the "primary" story.

>>88683942
>certain words are reddit/tumblr/facebook because I don't like being called them

stay classy, 4chan

>>88688024
does any other medium restrict itself like that? why should comics?

>>88688046

thats probably why I didn't like it then.
like I said I only read the first two arcs, and honestly, I think by the second or third issue of the second arc, I was mostly just skimming it for the art.

>>88687999
>>88688017
>>88688024

so you hate sci-fi and fantasy?
why the fuck are you on this board?

>>88687695
It feels cape-y but a bit more juvenile. Also very wordy.

>>88687914
Your local LCS shop would die without Marvel/DC, but the other publishers would continue on through Amazon and bookstores.

The amount of sales needed in order to be profitable is lower than you think, especially for creator-owned comics (the fewer people involved with a comic, the larger their share of the profit). Don't believe all that uninformed THE SKY IS FALLING bullshit you read in Diamond sales figures threads.

>>88682084
If they crash they'll need to seriously rethink their market strategy. Everyone I know who has gotten into comics after they turned 20 tradewaits. One of the reasons Saga has been so successful is that it has deliver trades at consistent rate and markets them over the floppies.

>>88688111

well I know Diamond sales figures are bullshit numbers that mean nothing about actual sales.

but I mean with the death of the LCS, so too would monthly books die. so everything would have to transfer to the more Amazon/book store friendly "graphic novel" or montly digital sales.

which would kill the industry as we mostly know it at the moment.

>>88683942
It means you're a juvenile edhelord whose opinions and actions are 100% dictated by what other people enjoy. You have no character, you're just moving against the flow so you can blame your social isolation on something other than you shitty social skills.

>>88688134
>One of the reasons Saga has been so successful is that it has deliver trades at consistent rate and markets them over the floppies

its strange to me how many Image books still seem to focus on the single issues even though the majority of their sales/profits are collections.

Damian is an entertaining character and a great addition to the bat-mythos.

>>88681275
A lot of these opinions are commonly held on /co/

>>88688055
>>88688055
They all should, because unrealistic bullshit is what's fiction in general

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>>88688232
what a dull human being you must be

>>88688172
>well I know Diamond sales figures are bullshit numbers that mean nothing about actual sales.
I'm not even talking about that, I'm saying that the average /co/mrade thinks that 20k sales are a disaster, because they've been conditioned to think that way thanks to a misinformed conversation dominated by Marvel and DC.

In actuality, an indie comic selling 20k is a huge success, often making the creators MORE money than they would be making selling 100k at DC or Marvel.

Even comics selling under 5k manage to find a profit and keep going.

If the industry switched from the LCS to Amazon/Comixology/bookstores then some adjustments would have to be made, but the industry would still keep going, because the amount of money/sales they need in order to survive is much smaller than /co/ thinks.

>>88688251
>>/lit/
>>/a/
>>/his/
>>/out/

>The flash has never had a good arc

In the TV show or in comics? In comics Make Said wrote some of the best flash stuff ever written and ironically the TV show adapts from it heavily

Plus you just praised Waid

>>88688094
Because I like realistic comics

>>88688547
>depression and suicide with shitty characters on my comic? What a time to be alive!

>>88688650
Better than unrealistic contrived bullshit. Then again, given that art is pointless is general "realistic" is the best comics and art can ever be

>>88688094
>there's no such thing as realistic media
>>88688650
>okay, it exists, but it's all depressing
As bad as the "muh realism" poster you're arguing with is, I find you even worse.

>>88688858
>but it's better unrealistic-
You do know the reason why people like """unrealistic """ things on media is that they want to escape their shitty day to day basis. Like why would at the end of the day would you read a comic about shitty jobs when you already have a shitty job with a temper triggered boss and stupid consumers?
>inb4 but real life is better than unrealistic
If you hate ""unrealistic"" shit go to /lit/ and go talk about philosophy and glamorise mundane shit

>>88689157
But it is better than unrealistic contrived stuff

>>88689294
a work's genre has nothing to do with its quality

>>88685878
I agree
and adding into yours
I hate how so many cartoon characters live in suburbia
fuck that shit I wanna see some shows where the people actually live in the city rich or poor, or like you said rural

>>88679204
I'm with you, Anon. TDA was a bit different from the other 1st Cast seasons, but it was a solid season.

In some ways I actively prefer it to TDI or TDWT.

Spider-man is the best marvel superhero and will never be topped.

The Batman was far superior to Batman the Animated series

Cassandra Cain was best batgirl far outshining Barb

Miles Morales has potential to being a great character if he wasn't trying to be Spider-man

Power-Girl is a great character but people feminist and regular alike can't look past the size of her tits.

Kevin was a more compelling character in Ben 10

The Total Drama Franchise is godly

>>88687789

Wow, I think this is the first post where I disagreed with everything being said.

Good job.

>>88679749
>right wing reactionary garbage
Explain

>>88687415
Exactly, Lovecraftian horror is very difficult to write, but when it's done well it's very good and different from any other type of horror.

>>88678868
>Ben 10 is garbage the whole way through.
The first series and Omniverse are pretty good at least. The animation and alien designs in the first series alone was enough to turn it into a franchise. Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and this new series are pretty shit though.

>>88687914
Sometimes, dead is better.

>>88687555
>Miracleman is better than Watchmen in every single way
Miracleman is very, very good but I think Watchmen just has that extra kick in the art department that's able to put it just ahead.

>>88687954
No, but some more genre and setting variation would be nice.

>>88679229
>Jack Kirby created the Fourth World mythos intending it to be a mostly self-contained saga with a predetermined ending
Jack Kirby's assistant has said otherwise.

>>88693205

people constantly underrate what Gibbons brought to the table. insanity

Barbara Gordon is the worst Batgirl, and getting shot was the best thing to happen to her as a character.

Harley Quinn is a good character, it's her fans that are annoying not her.

All the DC and Marvel films are actually average.

I hate all the fake science given to established comic traits in order to make it more believable and it actually makes it more unbelievable also passing off magic as advance science is a shitty tool.

Darksied has jobbed way too often recently and is getting to Thanos levels. Also he has become to dedatched from the new gods, we see Apokolips all the time but rarely New Genisis.

>>88680100
>Wonder Woman was never a good character and never had any good runs
>Greg Weisman is an overrated mediocrity
>I hate Ed Brubaker
>AtLA is terrible

Let's not say anything we regret, anon.

I like diversity in media but I agree that the demand for it has gone way overboard

Man of steel wasnt that bad, better than bvs imo

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>Steven Universe is an entertaining show and it's poorer episodes only exist in the first quarter of season 1, and the first 5 of season 4, and while the lore is underused, it is always better than the fanfiction and nothing is explicitly contradictory
>That being said, the music pieces are overrated. Good, but overrated. Brad Breek produced better for GF
>Greg Universe is based as a dad, but I'm not sure whether this is contradictory or simply unmentioned
>Adventure time didn't decrease in quality because of 'muh lesbians'. It decreased in quality because the character writing got worse, and it tried to pull a Gintama by genderbending characters
>Korra was neither terrible, nor deserving of a cult classic status. It merely demonstrated interesting concepts that were poorly executed, and relationships that could have been interesting by were marred by their motives, buildup and realisation.
>Cyclops is similarly underwhelming. He neither deserves the hate he gets for being able to cuck Wolverine, nor is he particularly interesting as an X-men character.
>Man of Steel is a good film for the very reasons superman fans hate it; despite the fact it trashed the lore, it is still the second best superman film.
>Age of Ultron wasn't terrible, and James Spader makes him
>Hawkeye is a fun superhero, and non/underpowered superheroes who use their abilities cleverly are vastly underrated
>The third Nolan film was fucked from the beginning, as all of Batman's less ridiculous villains are used up.
>Spiderman's original villains are pretty terrible too. Aside from Doc Oc and Green Goblin, most of their original concepts are hilarious.
>Moon Knight is underrated, but probably doesn't deserve a film as he shines best as a primary character interacting with the main one.
>Gravity falls is neat, and /co/'s obsession is pacifica is wierd.
>Alan Moore is a little fucked up. Yes, seeing Hyde beat the shit out of a bell while Nina gets banged by quartermain, that's a little odd.

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>>88689314
Which is why you read things like Asterios Polyp, A Contract with God, or any of the other hundreds of comic works that have done everything they can to push the medium out of the cesspool the CCA created that is the big two

>>88694034
Indeed. The medium needs to move away from unrealistic idealized bullshit

>>88678868
>New Genesis and Apokolips are dumb ideas
I really hope you step on dog piss wearing only socks
>and appear way too often in DC comics
Actually agree with this one. Every time they use Darkseid as just a generic Big Bad for Superman or the JLA I get triggered

>>88679331
He didn't actually have an endgame- he just knew he wanted it to have an end.
For what we can tell he wanted Orion and Darkseid to kill each other, and probably to have Beautiful Dreamer to defeat Darkseid's plan if/when he finally got his hands on the Anti-Life formula.

>>88680070
I'm pretty sure most of the hate that Korra gets on /co/ is a very dedicated group of shitposters.

>>88680100
>Ellis' Moon Knight was bland and forgettable.
Eh, i wouldn't go that far. It's just baby's first experimental cape book.

>nothing about Valiant is good
Rai is ok but dragged like a fuck so they coul milk an event out of it

>Conway's Carnage is boring
>Greg Weisman is an overrated mediocrity
>I hate Ed Brubaker
Agreed

>>88678868
I hate cosmic Marvel. I hate the fucking Kree, Shi'ar, Galactus, Thanos, Nova, Guardians and every other alien motherfucker.
Black and White Lanterns are bullshit, they were ok for a single event but that shit stuck around.
If Marvel invested in quality over quantity, someone would remember what the movies are about 10 years later.
The Mignolaverse is hella boring, the Hellboy books are mostly fine because of Mignola's art, but the BPRD is a cash grab and those other 65 spin-offs are worse than filler.
Skottie Young baby variant covers were a mistake.
Image should kill Top Cow already.
There are like 5 good comics to ever come from licensed franchises. IDW, Dark Horse, Oni Press, Dynamite and Boom should merge into a containment pile for decadence.

>>88687914
...or it would evolve into something like france/japana where a lot of comics are published, just not by big quasimonopolists.

I like All-New X-Men and I think Nickelodeon despites their faults has a really great lineup of cartoon today.

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Most of my /co/ related opinions are fairly uncontroversial.

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>>88678868
>>Mark Waid is a phenomenal writer.
>>The Flash has never had a good arc.

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>>88679246

You're so pathetic, Ivyfag.

Fucking up every thread.

I love that Ivy told Harley they're not a thing.

JokerXHarley forever.

>>88678868
>Whether you enjoy Adventure Time or not, you should be super glad it got so popular. It opened a lot of doors for other shows.
No I shouldn't. I shouldn't be glad for that at all. AT's done more harm than good at this point, and we could do without the shows that spun off from its staff.

>>88678868
>>The Flash has never had a good arc.
>>Mark Waid is a phenomenal writer.

I want you to know that this is contradictory.

>>88694034
I can read both

>>88694071
Finally! unrealistic idealized bullshit

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>>88696862

>>88697089
But still better than unrealistic unpredictable bullshit

>>88694991
>The Mignolaverse is hella boring, the Hellboy books are mostly fine because of Mignola's art, but the BPRD is a cash grab and those other 65 spin-offs are worse than filler.
95% of any given comic in the Mignolaverse is far better than the majority of what DC and Marvel produce.

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>>88678868

>All the movies in the DCEU are good
>The Watchmen movie is good
>Batman Returns and Deadpool (both well received movies) are like a 6/10 to me
>I loved the Batmobile in Arkham Knight, the tank battles were great in a gameplay perspective (even the cobra ones) but they were conceptually poor (the Knight should have used manned tanks at some point). The real bad things with the game are the dissapointing bossfights and side missions.
>I like Tara Strong's Harley
>TTGO > TT > YJ
>I prefer organic webbing, but web shooters are cool too

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>>88693098
Seriously can people give the Ben 10 reboot a break, it's not bad, just people keep comparing it to OS too much.

>>88700567
The animation and creature design is completely abhorrent from a technical perspective alone. The characters or jokes aren't exactly improved either so of course people are going to compare it to a series in the same franchise that did things mostly better.

>>88700611
I just feel every time a new Ben 19 show comes out people seem to get angry and don't seem to care, they are people who like the reboot, it's not perfect or amazing, but it's still watchable and actually kinda fun. (people complained about Omniverse and that turned out amazing)

>>88701006
To be fair, CN is basically kicking a dead horse at this point and they've outright ruined some of the alien designs for no good reason. The only people I see complain about Omniverse are faggots that liked Alien Force or Ultimate Alien that were angry at the retcons from those two shows being reversed to make it more in line with the original show. Speaking of Omniverse, that show is much better than that piece of shit reboot. Sure, it's watchable but it's completely inferior to Omniverse and the original. Also, I never understood why people say you shouldn't compare a reboot to the source material, that is very much a valid complaint.

>>88682586
It's a genuinely good listen, if you can get past the memes. A subversive genre that simultaneously lampoons and pays homage to the golden era of funk, disco, and R&B that also ties into the whole "layers-of-irony" zeitgeist. It's no Pollock/Dali/Picasso, but it works for me.

>>88701041
I still see the reboot has potential, I love all the Ben 10 shows, but I do understand that not all of them are perfect, I like to see a serious Ben 10 honestly with Teen Ben as the main protagonist, but that probably won't happen, but everything you said are just opinions honestly so not everyone thinks like you do.

>>88701061
Of course it's an opinion, but from a pure visual perspective reboot Ben 10 makes me want to vomit. It is objectively technically inferior on that level.

>>88701073
I honestly understand the hate, it's a show targeted toward young veiwers, at least it's not TTG humor and PPG meme bull crap, it's honestly more faithful to its original counterpart.

>>88683587
I can guarantee you that your grandpappy accidentally bought something Japanese 20 years later without knowing it, and fully enjoyed it.

Nationality does not precede the individual quality of a product of any sort, Chinese collage montages included. And I think it's safe to say you'll never do as much for your country in 20 years as he did that day. Get over yourself.

>>88684443
>one off
Would've rounded off this objectively-right post perfectly.

>>88701098
*German
Goddamnit

Lois and Clark is the best live action /co/ show besides Human Target season 1

>>88683812
>h-he has an opinion I don't share
>c-contrarian
Signs of a moron.
>>88683942
That's what you get from the crowd who doesn't like their shit criticized, but too dumb to come up with anything other than silencing opinions they don't like with ad populum.

>>88688188
No matter how much you want to believe otherwise, you're not important enough for someone to care about your opinions.