Why does everybody hate the best Robin?

I started reading comics two months ago and Damian is the first Robin I've read about.

>best
I can't wait for the 90's kids to get too old and for this meme to end.

He's so fucking annoying. He's instantly good at fighting crime, he's as good a detective as Batman, and he has 1337 HAXOR SKILLZ. Such a cringe-inducing character all-around.

Dick was the original and had his arc about stepping out of Batman's shadow.
Jason was annoying but became the Gwen Stacy of Batman in that his death was far more important than his life.
Damian is Batman's literal son and has had a great arc of going from a little shit to a kid who hides his heart of gold with a jerkish exterior, he's a reverse of Batman who becomes more and more bitter as he gets older.
They all have some unique role.

Tim's character is just "is good at everything".

People here only like him because he's been Robin during their own formative years. Everyone else just finds him and his fans obnoxious.

While s agree that with some good writing on a good Batman book he's passable, the overall idea of his character is, as the other anon said, cringy-worth as fuck. I hate prodigious shit so much. Those kind of character only works when they are projected to be B/C tier in a good humour environment with a taste of villainy like Kid Omega (lmao being mutant overpowered Phoenix related is more acceptable than Damian's skill set).

>>88662454
Damian should have stayed dead

>>88662491
But then we wouldn't have gotten all the fantastic work Tomasi and Gleason have done with him since.

>>88662454
>Tim's character is just "is good at everything".

It's not even that. Every batfamily member is excellent at lots of skills, since otherwise they couldn't be of use to Bats. Nothing about Tim's skillset is unique. Even the hacker skills which defined him early on are nothing compared to Oracle's.

Tim was never anything more than a replacement for Dick when he got too old to be Robin. But now Tim's been aged up too, and the current Robin has an actual personality, so he's simply redundant now.

>>88662518
You mean him killing a man with zero repercussions?

>>88662454
>he's instantly good at fighting crime
False, if anything dick was the natural

>hes as good of a detective as batman
False, he was implied to have the possibility to surpass him, but as Robin hes not as good

>1337 haxor skills
Hes a techie, hes no barbara "im in" gordon but he can handle himself. A good team needs a tech able member

Before damian was created out of nothing tim was the good robin, the result of batman blowing it with 2 robins and learning how to both train his partner and later raise a son.

>inb4 90s timfag pls go
Dick has always been my favourite robin, and him becoming nightwing and joining the titans was one of my favoirite eras of dc. I just loathe seeing a decent character shat on because of "not muh"

>>88662482
>Hate prodigious shit
>12 year old professional killing machine is ok tho

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>>88662341
That's not Carrie, OP.

>>88662454
Tim's character is the straight man or smart guy.His main character flaw was that he is too smart for his own good.

I never understood why people insist Tim was good at everything.

>>88662482
>I hate prodigious shit so much.
But Batman is basically this.

>>88662454
>I can't wait for the 90's kids to get too old and for this meme to end.
This.

>>88662491
Tim is Dead .

>>88662638
No, he isn't.

Tim is, right now, the only Robin who actually fulfills the intended purpose of Robin. Everyone else has either moved on or is an edgy cunt.

>>88662629
We're not going anywhere kiddo.

>>88662640
JamesTynion pls. No One Cares .

>>88662642
hahahahahaahahaahahahaahahaha Timfags.

>>88662642
What does aTimfag and a tampon have in common? A: They are both stuck up cunts!

>>88662664
>>88662675
I'm actually a Dickfag. But Dick hasn't been Robin for ages now so....

>>88662675
Yeah, well the jerk store called...

My problem with Tim is that he brought nothing to the table. He was just Dick 2.

Also, Jason should have stayed dead.

>>88662651
He's alive, you can parrot all you want.

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>>88662531
Because batman has zero tolerance for accidental murders with robins.Hell at least in Damien's case it was an accident,Jason clearly murdered this guy an Bruce let him off Scott free.

>>88662807
>Also, Jason should have stayed dead
Why? Seriously, I want someone to give me a legit reason on why he should have stayed dead instead of just saying that he "should".

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>>88662826
>Hell at least in Damien's case it was an accident
It was intentional as fuck. And don't give me that shit, he learned from his mistakes with Jason, hell, he fired Steph just for using a potentionally lethal move.

>>88662454
Wasn't Barbara supposed to be the token 1337 HAXOR SKILLZ character? What went wrong?

>>88662869
wow.Oh how i miss that book.

>>88662845

Because it takes away the original impact the story had. It makes all of those years of mourning pointless and takes away Joker's biggest accomplishment. It cheapened the story and the tragedy of Batman's life.

Jason should have stayed dead or should be an enemy. It shouldn't be easy for a character to return to life, he should suffer for it. Jason needs to be insane.

I will not argue over the quality of the story that introduced him as the Red Hood because it is a great story but the world needs a dead Robin and Batman to suffer for his choices since not everyone is made for crime fighting and mistakes can happen in that line of work.

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>>88662869
It wasn't intentional,Nobody taught a technique that was 50/50 knock out or kill,he got it right the first time themDamian got cocky and tried it a second time leading to that.Was it Damien's fault yes but it was an accident

>>88662869
Damian is 10 Jason 23?

>>88662928
if Jason should be dead then so should Bruce
and Dick
and Tim
and Damien


which leaves, what? some bastard kid of Dick's he never knew about?

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>>88662869
Not only his he unleashing his anger onto Morgan, he rips his mask of, symbolizing any number of things. Read it how you want. I see it as Bruce taking ownership of his actions; not hiding behind the cowl, this is 100% Bruce Wayne. In an instant however, you see his remember the promises he made to raise Damian correctly, and his face immediately softens. It is a very powerful scene, and one of the best in the New 52 (yeah, I’ll say it).
Bruce Wayne is Damians Dad not Batman.Bruce almost kill Morgan .

>>88662928
Jason stayed dead for almost 20 years which is honestly enough and his return doesn’t make his death any less important. If anything, it's make it even more impactful.

Also, he deserved a chance because he wasn't given a one as Robin and Red Hood has added a lot to the bat mythos.

>>88662982
And you faggots call timfags delusional

>>88663206
JamesTynion pls.Tim sucks .

>>88662341
/co/ is the only place that actually hates him. Everywhere else seems to like him or be neutral on him.

>>88663264
I wish Tim Drake is buried in the same hole Didio dug up for Jason,

>>88663206
Tim is not Batmans son.

>>88663321
He was

>>88662491

Giving Batman a dead biological son is way too much of an albatross around his neck, more than just having a son in general.His whole reason for being is the loss of his family, then giving him an even bigger personal loss has to become a bigger part of his character.

>>88663365
Then why kill him in the first place?

>>88663374
Because Morrison was planning to kill him from the beginning and DC decided use it as a chance to boost sells.

The problem with Damian's death though is it didn't have any impact the same way Jason's death did which why I think DC decided that it unnecessary to keep him dead for more than year.

>>88663420
Yeah, I think Morrison wanted it to be another DITF, but it didn't work. Heck, DC didn't even bother to acknowledge his death since he returned.

>>88663333
Not in 52.

>>88663503
The quads have spoken

>>88663474
in Robin WAR, Damien made a crack that Tim was the only Robin not important enough for anyone to kill, since the other three have all come back from the dead at lest once

Tim is the definitive Robin when paired with Bruce. Damien works so much better with Dick

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>>88663527
Not in 52.

>>88663474
The funny thing is that DC YouTube page made a video (it was last april or something) about top 10 most important deaths in DCU and Damian's wasn't included.

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>>88663573
He was adopted by Bruce during One Year Later which takes place after 52. If you're referring to nu52, that's not even the real Tim.
you still don't have any repeating digits

>>88663631
Not canon.

>>88663631
>that's not even the real Tim
He is whether you like it or not and his parents appeard in BRE.

>He was adopted by Bruce during One Year Later
Source? Because it never was acknowledged.

>>88663626
being resurrected a year later didn't exactly help give his death weight outside of B&R

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>>88663631
Not his son Faggot.

>>88663665
Pretty much. You even have Bruce feeling guilty about Jason's death in JL and Trinity while Tomasi is the only one who acknowledge Damian's death.

His death was really cheap and it didn't have any impact.

>>88663674
Batman was really unlikable bitch in the 4 stages of grief arc.

>>88663760
>implying Batman isn't an unlikable bitch all the time

>>88663767
He was extra bitch in it, though.

>>88663737
>>88663760
Jasonfags.

>>88662454
My negro, have a deserved (You) and ofc, marry Xmas to you.

>>88663760
hack writing

>>88663760
it is his son you Faggot..

>>88662454
Daily reminder that Tim held down his own solo for over a decade, far longer than anyone else who held the mantle of Robin.

>>88663660
>Source? Because it never was acknowledged.
Batman #654
Detective Comics #821

>>88663834
>>88663760
Jasonfags .You're Getting Old!

>>88663842
I know about this. I actually thought it was acknowledged in n52.

>>88663840
Daily reminder that there are others who did too and it's doesn't have any wight.

>>88663842
Not in 52.

>>88663760
The whole arc was stupid and made hard to feel sorry for Batman.

>>88662529
>Tim was never anything more than a replacement for Dick when he got too old to be Robin.
Whoa there, wait a minute.
It's like you never read those parts at all or something. I don't feel much special for Tim but he was there to push batman along in general due to Jason actually dying and Batman having to deal with a death as close to him as his parents. Atleast get that part right.

>>88663877
No Jasonfags. it Emotional Story of a Father and Son it will Make You Cry.

>>88663870
The same 52 where Batman went through 4 robins in 5 years? Two of which died?

>>88663865
A character having his own solo for over a decade doesn't have any weight? A new character at that? I'd love to hear the explanation for that one.

>>88663895
>>88663895
No One Cares

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>>88663850
>>88663838
>>88663834
>>88663815
Damifag stop spamming threads, it's getting annoying I keep thinking there have been legit interesting replies and then being disappointed

>>88663905
That's a great explanation, defending Tim has become like shooting fish in a barrel at this point.

>>88663906
That moment when you can precisely tell who it is because they never put an s when typing out "it's"

>>88663877
Bruce Wayne's Favorite son Damian not Jason.

>>88663877
Second that.

>>88662642
He did, but the problem though is that he doesn't have much of personality nor impact in Batman mytho which is why he feel unnecessary once he lost the robin mantle.

>>88663906
Jasonfags.

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>>88663918
>Bruce Wayne's Favorite son isn't Damian nor Jason.
There ya go

>>88663906
Just ignore her and don't give her posts any value.

>>88663944
It's funny how she succeeded in making people here really hate Damian.

>>88663965
No we hate Tim and Jason.

>>88663965
I really do think that was their hidden motive all along, actually.

>>88662341
the blandest robin*

the least developed robin*

the only robin who cant carry a title*

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>>88663965
Nope.

>>88663987
>the only robin who cant carry a title*
He carried a title for 15 years

>>88663965
>It's funny how she succeeded in making people here really hate Damian.
Hahaha no Tim's now an overachieving douche.

>>88664004
?

>>88663965
>
>this is what timfags actually believe
Tim Drake is literally the worst Robin.

He's the Donatello of the Robins.

>>88663994
Being jason is suffering.

>>88664013
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/robin/4050-4975/

>>88664004
No no no' were talking about nu52 Tim, the one who had all his development reset, right? Surely not the one who went on misadventures with cass and steph' young justice and the teen titans, right?

>>88664024
>>88663840

>>88662341
He's not edgy enough

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>>88663994
The Truth Will Set You Free .

>>88664145
I thought Batman straight up murdered Jason when I first read that, it looks like it gets him in the juggular.

>>88663944
>Her
>>88663965
>She
Stop this meme.

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At least he has the best Robin suit design

>>88664216
Yeah for like 5 minutes compared to the half a decade he was wearing red bird wings.

>>88664226
The bird wings are gay as fuck

>>88664226
Does it hurt to be this stupid?

>>88664216
>that design
>good

>>88664258
Post something better

>>88664216
>'green' mask
>clearly the same colour as his black cape

>>88662341
Damianfags.

>>88664216
OG Tim design is best design.

Red and black only Robin is just Morrison masturbating to his own hypercleverness, he needs green to liven the colors up.

>>88664306
hahahahahahahahahaha noooooooooooooooooo

>>88664373
to what

>>88664306
>Damianfags.
Jasonfags.
Batfags.

>>88662341
90's Comics..: How old are you ?

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>>88662454

You forgot something. Tim is the best trap.

>>88664423
Idk
I'd say that's Jimmy Olsen who wins that.
And he was Flamebird so he counts as being part of the sidekick contest.

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>>88664460

There's only one way to settle this... TRAP OFF!

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>>88664423
Timfags.

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>>88664496

Tim was best when his real father was alive. Closest thing to a "normie" Robin who did shit for free. He just wanted to help out.

Identity Crisis was the beginning of the end.

>>88662341
Bland self-insert no character that turned into blander power fantasy

>>88664747
All the robins were self inserts for the little kid readers.

>>88664306

Morrison never made Robin red and black. He was like that after infinite crisis.

>>88663895
Because Kon also carried a book for a decade and look where he's now. Heck, Wally played a bigger role in DCU and they have easily replaced him with Barry.

Do you know what I actually find impressive and worthy of praise? What Jason Todd accomplished.

Jason Todd is a character that forced DC to accept him. His popularity was something DC didn't plan nor excepted when he returned as Red Hood. He's the reason why Robin is taking seriously by comic fans nowdays and his death didn't only impact Batman, but comic industry as whole. His return single handedly made fans question Batman's methods and forced a reaction from the writers. Years ago, he was just a tale and barely a character. Nowadays, he is the reason that made a lot of people pick up DC. That's what I call freaking impressive.

What Dick Grayson did was also impressive. He was the first kid hero and the one who started all. He has been consistently around since the 40s and grow up to be his own hero.

The problem with Tim is that he was meant to be THE ROBIN (and he did good job at it). He has been struggling to be relevant since he lost the mantle and there really doesn't seem that anything more can be done with him.

Damian at least has a personality and actually more interesting than Tim, but he doesn't bring anything new because Batman being a father isn't something new nor Damian presence was able to change him. Though, there's a still potential to do something interesting with him and Supersons might be a turning point for him.

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>>88663877
Most of the arc was stupid and out of character, but issue #18 was 10/10

>>88663906
>>88663906
that is not me.

How much of a basic bitch do you have to be to genuinely think Tim Drake is the best Robin?

Do you also think Corn Flakes are the best cereal? Is your favourite colour white?

>>88665749
Have you ever noticed that in every thread you post in, literally everybody immediately knows it's you and wants you to leave?

Why do you think that is?

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>>88665803
>Is your favourite colour white?
Yes.

>>88665869
Timfags.Tim is a huge pussy and gets shit on all the time.

>>88665856
You can keep calling everyone who wants you gone Tynion, Jasonfag, Timfag, old, or some user from one of the many forums that also hate you, but it doesn't change the fact you have to be delusional to not see that the common denominator in the shitty threads is you.

>>88665869
>dick is filthy gypsy whore
>jason is a wigger thug
>damian is a dirty sand nigger

Tim is the only /pol/ Robin

>>88665903
>responds to shitpost claiming to be a Nazi
>thinks it's a Timfag

Well this is a new level of stupid. I am impressed

>>88665803
rice bubbles are a more generic cereal than corn flakes

>>88665906
Tim dated a black girl though. Also was pretty heavily cucked

>>88665905
Tynion is mad lol:D Scott Snyder's lackey James Tynion. - "/

>>88665905
You're not the center of the universe. In fact, no one really cares about you Timfag. It's harsh, but true.

>>88665097
>he doesn't bring anything new because Batman being a father isn't something new nor Damian presence was able to change him
This so much.

Lol! Timfag he's just a racist prick.

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>>88665948
>Also was pretty heavily cucked
yup

>>88665950
>>88665984

The best part of this is that Damian is actually my favorite Robin, I'm just continually astounded by how retarded you are.

>>88665905
Timfag tried to write like me Sorry timfag i like Jason.You're a fake liar,,that is not my post loser.

>>88666025
Stev has a baby with tim??????

>>88662622

Batman started his job after his twenties and was constantly beaten up

>>88666060
Jesus Christ, when did you start reading comics? How do you constantly try to shit on all the not-Damian Robins when you apparently know nothing about them?

>>88666118
2014

>>88666118
It's funnier because right in that image it's clear it's not Tim's.

>>88666304
>expecting Damifag to have reading comprehension

>>88666660
Tim still sucks.

Isn't it a rule that you have to be 18 to post on 4chan? Why hasn't Damifag been permabanned yet?

>>88666748
I don't think there's any proof that they're underage. Nobody has any screenshots of it saying they're a 13 year old girl do they?

>>88666769

She's said it multiple time.

>>88666697
>>88666209
>>88666060
Damifag, how old are you?

>>88666748
>>88666769
>>88666818
Samfag .It's poetry..

>>88666854
Answer the question, damifag. Are you a 13 year old girl?

We need the screencap

Tim Drake's popularity has fallen significantly over the past ...

About the actual character... Meh... I donno... Tim never interested me that much.
Personally I prefer Damian out of all Robins sooooo... yeah. Can't say I hate Tim because, to be honest, I don't really care THAT much for him anyway.
His cool, I give 'im that, just... umm... not THE Robin for me.

>>88666925
>>88666902

How are you so astonishingly stupid

>>88663674
Where is this from? I'm loving the art.

>>88667035
New 52 Batman and Robin #19.

>>88666925
. I just hate the intellectual genius kid from a wealthy family going on with him, he's also got some annoying fans... But really, I'd probably take Damian more than him even though Damian is an annoying brat. At least his annoying-ness can be somewhat entertaining, compared to Tim, who annoys me when he's not meant to be annoying.

>>88662454
>He's so fucking annoying. He's instantly good at fighting crime, he's as good a detective as Batman, and he has 1337 HAXOR SKILLZ. Such a cringe-inducing character all-around.

Ironic considering Damian's entire gimmick is being a super assassin who can beat up adults

>>88667314
Conceding that a child can beat up adults is just something you have to accept when dealing with any Robin

>>88667137
I think the interesting part of his story that was retconned, Tim I mean, is that you get to see the journey of him gaining and losing things constantly the first of which coming from his own parents rather then crime. Thinking about what neglect does to a child and then thrusting him out to do a thing, while not necessarily putting him above the rest, is just as interesting as Dick's growth into a new family and then turning away from it, Jason learning to live and love but struggling to match up to bruce's standards and failing and even Damian and Steph trying to match up to their predecessors and fearing being compared to them.

I, personally like all the robins, but that's because I like the idea of Robin and what it first was to what it became later, what Damian saw it as when he first appeared and tried to kill Tim.

Sure the characters are interesting but it's the actual evolution of Robin that should be taken from this and basically every one of them was important. Dick as a new optimistic Robin, Jason as the rebellious Robin who saw the limits at which robin would go, Tim as the Robin who refined it into something of its own becoming more like batman and having the name taken seriously, and then to Damian grows into the roll that his predecessors made.

>>88665097
What happened to Wally and Kon is as big a travesty as what happened to Tim.

Jason is emblematic of everything wrong with DC, has nearly zero good stories, and much better served the universe when he was dead.

Some of Tim's best stories were after he graduated to Red Robin.

Bruce having a biological son who shares his most psychopathic traits is an interesting premise rife with potential.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>88667483
>Some of Tim's best stories were after he graduated to Red Robin.

This is just a testament to how boring he was as Robin since the red Robin series was just OK

Dick
>acrobat trained from a young age by Batman as a protegee, who eventually stepped out of Bruce's shadow to become a hero in his own right. Occasionally headstrong and butts heads with Bruce's authority, but also willing to follow him.

Jason
>Street kid who had a hard life prior to Bruce, so he had a lot of rough edges. A terrible trauma severed his ties with Bruce, leading him to go his own, much more extreme way.

Tim
>Budding young detective who chose to become Robin, rather than being adopted or born into it. Proof that the identity of Robin does not lead to failure, and proudly carries that name to his solo hero identity.

Damian
>The one true son of Batman and an ancient order of ninjas. Trained until his power is maximum by magical warriors. Eh kills people and doesn't afraid of anyone, and even Batman is doesn't tell him what to do. He is the greatest most powerful Robin ever, and definitely not my self insert. Also Batman loves me the most because he's the real Robin so he brings him back to life in a Lazarus Pit.

>>88667605
Nope, it was a solidly well above average addition to the best Bat-Universe we have ever seen and featured some of the best globe-trotting detective adventures we've seen from any Bat-related character (including Batman himself) in a long time.

>>88667706
Accurate

>>88667483
>What happened to Wally and Kon is as big a travesty as what happened to Tim
Yeah, but this proves that DC can ride off whoever they want and them carrying a book for decades is meaningless.

>Jason is emblematic of everything wrong with DC
This such a bold statement that I'm pretty sure that you can't back it up.

>has nearly zero good stories,
>Zero
Whatever makes happy and sleep sounds at night.

>and much better served the universe when he was dead
DC and the thousands of fans he gained disagrees.

>Some of Tim's best stories were after he graduated to Red Robin
Red Robin and TT are his best stories? That's really sad.

>Bruce having a biological son who shares his most psychopathic traits is an interesting premise rife with potential
Literally all the robins shares traits from and Damian hardly shares the most.

And I dare to tell me what did Damian added to Batman.

>>88667890
Just because DC repeatedly writes off the best universe in comics does not mean that the characters they ignore aren't great characters with great stories.

Jason is the poster child of edgy grimdark seriousness that has plagued the industry for the past decade.

His best story is where he dies.

Batman having a constant reminder of his failure to save a Robin will always be more interesting than having one that came back to life and started shooting people.

Red Robin is great and I don't know why you reference Teen Titans after he graduated.

Damian added a shitload to Batman, he was an atomic bomb that one of his biggest villains dropped on him, amplified Bruce's acceptance of his family, and along with Dick thoroughly modernized the roles of Batman and Robin while gleefully honoring their history.

>>88668052
...and then Damian died, which was the culmination of all that. All of his development led to his death, which is to this day the best thing that ever happened to him.

But they brought him back. They threw away all that development, made Bruce act completely out of character, and brought him back without any of that growth. Now he's an annoying cunt and every book has to revolve around getting him to mellow out, and then he jumps to another book and resets again.

Damian is fucking poison. Everything he is in is ruined immediately.

>>88667728
It was alright, but paled in comparison to the series coming out at the same time

>>88668226

>Damian is fucking poison. Everything he is in is ruined immediately.

Batman and Robin with him and Dick continues to this day to be the best bat series

>>88668387
nah

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Tim is automatically worst Robin for not trying to bang the best boy

>>88668052
>Just because DC repeatedly writes off the best universe in comics does not mean that the characters they ignore aren't great characters with great stories
Did I say that they are not a good characters? No I didn't, but they are proved to be easily replaceable.

>Jason is the poster child of edgy grimdark seriousness that has plagued the industry for the past decade
So, you're saying that he changed the industry? Pretty impressive. Not many can do.

>His best story is where he dies
I'm pretty sure that it was to you and I can only imagine how painful it was to you when return. Poor soul.

>Batman having a constant reminder of his failure to save a Robin will always be more interesting
Alright, let's kill Damian again so you can get your wish!

>Red Robin is great
Subjective, but I wouldn't be surprised if you don't know what this means.

So here the definition: based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions

>and I don't know why you reference Teen Titans after he graduated
Because you said storieS and there was only Red Robin and TT?

>Damian added a shitload to Batman, he was an atomic bomb that one of his biggest villains dropped on him, amplified Bruce's acceptance of his family
Talia isn't his biggest villain and it's wasn't really an "atomic bomb".

>and along with Dick thoroughly modernized the roles of Batman and Robin while gleefully honoring their history
It was a good run and they worked well together, but I can't see how they "modernized" the roles.

>>88668387
> Batman and Robin with him and Dick continues to this day to be the only bat series I've read


ftfy

>>88668764
So has /co/ just gone completely contrarian n this, or are all Robinfags this bad?

>>88669169
>all Robinfags this bad
It's series about Dick and Damian...

>>88669415
Yes but Robinfags all have their favorite Robin and think that anything with the other Robins is terrible.

>>88669442
No one said it's terrible, but it's not THE BEST bat series.

>>88668703
English clearly isn't your first language. Sorry I got you riled up.

>>88669487
It's definitely one of the best, especially of the past few decades.

>>88669489
>English clearly isn't your first language
Yeah, so? I'm pretty sure it's still readable.

>Sorry I got you riled up
Nah, you honestly made me laugh. Thanks.

>>88669552
Some think it's, others don't.

It's a matter of opinion.