So he was in the closet for over 40 years?

i hate iceman being gay

it was such a asspull

literally everyone TOLD him he was gay

no build up or illusion just pure pandering

>>88636641
>it was such a asspull

> the immature dudebro of the group has a string of failed relationships
> well clearly he's gay, it's not his attitude or personality that ruins things

whats his chronological age anyway

Im guessing 24, while the rest of the O5 xmen are now on their 30's

>>88636623
Nop, adult iceman is not gay, he overcame gayness because reasons
Time displaces iceman is gay, he could not overcome gayness because reasons.

He doesn't even have a boyfriend

I'm smelling a fakefag

>>88636695
Marvel is pushing conversion treatment. How progressive.

>>88636689
He's only 2-3 years younger than Scott. He was like 13 or 14 in the Silver Age with Warren, Hank, and Scott all being 16ish

>>88636695
You don't read comics.

Old Iceman came out already.

>>88636670
if anyone in the xmen is gay it is wolverine

>>88636623
Well NOW he was.
>>88636713
He got one, now all we have to do is wait for that to tank and we can declare Bobby is asexual since obviously if you're not good at relationships you're simply not into that gender.

Big deal. So was Jodie Foster.

>>88636770
>it is wolverine

I mean we all know about Kitty, Rachel, and Storm at this point

>>88636641
>>88636670
Fucking this. If anything it plays into stereotypes that people who are unsuccessful at relationships past a certain age must just be gay.

>>88636830
I mean his relationship with Kitty didn't fail because he liked dudes, it failed because Marjorie Liu made it a point to ruin that relationship. She wrote a scene where Iceman overhears Kitty admit to someone that she doesn't love Bobby, he's just a fun distraction

>>88636754
when?

>>88636880
Extraordinary X-Men #6

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It sickens me that one empowered feminist can do this to my personal Hetero-Hero.

>>88636641
>no build up
No time for build up, Bendis had to get the plot moving so he could rehash a bunch of Claremont plots and then undo most of it with a time travel loop

I think it was the AV Club that summarized all of his issues as " running in place"

>>88636780
who?

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Bobby knew this GIRL was nothing he wanted any part of from the very beginning.
Maybe his superior super-heterosexuality could detect the eminent threat to his manliness that was always lurking within Jean Grey?

>>88636670
why do you think being immature and a dudebro automatically makes you gay?

>>88636941
Some Inhuman named Romeo.

>>88636869
She was a cunt to do that but even then in her big Bobby arc she didn't go as far as to make him gay. Just fucked up internally. The gayness was bendis

>>88636904
I don't get how this implies he's gay

>>88636963
I don't, but it's a common shitty assumption that a person being bad at relationships indicates they're in the closet

>>88636953
Also he's like 13 here. The other 3 are at least 16 of course they're full on horn dogs, it was later that Bobby started hitting on the coffee shop waitress

>>88636903
fuck this gay earth

>>88637001
yeah, >>88636953 read to me as "I don't stand a chance competing with the older guys for this girl's attention, so fuck it, act like I'm above it!" since, well, that's Iceman.

>>88637001
No y'see that was just a beard.

>>88636984
>She was a cunt to do that
I wouldn't be surprised if that has something to do with her leaving Marvel. I mean it was Aaron's OTP and the very next writer to write the characters breaks them up, he was a contracted writer and I believe she was only ever free lance so I can see some politics getting her fewer or worse assignments

as a fag, I find homosexuality in comics irrelevant unless you are making a beefcake x rated comic in which Mr Sinister needs Iceman's genetic material for his evil plan, but the only way to get it is with his butt, so he shapeshifts into a twink.

>>88637077
After seeing Sinister on the Iceman cover I wouldn't be surprised if they wrote them into a weird adversarial slash romantic relationship like Will Graham and Hannibal Lecter in Hannibal

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And lets never forget Bobby Drake's origin story!
There he was, on his obviously heterosexual fourth date with Judy Harmon, innocently discussing showtunes when the question of if he hetero-lusts for her is interrupted by none other than Rocky Beasely! A bully who accuses our Hetero-Hero Bobby of being not "a real man" ... how laughable!
To think that this persecution of our Heterosexual Hero for not being "a real man" somehow predated his outing as a non-human Mutant is yet another sign of his obvious Heterosexuality...

>>88637077
>in which Mr Sinister needs Iceman's genetic material for his evil plan

I mean in the FOX cartoon he all but says he's going to extract Xavier and Magneto's sperm for his tests

He straight up says " your boys"

>>88636689
Late 20s.

>>88636967
Wrong Iceman.

>>88636903
Actually, Jean forced him to come out in Uncanny X-men #600.

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Everyone knows that from his very first comic-book appearance Bobby Drake has epitomized the kind of masculine behavior that simply screams "virile heterosexzual masculinity"

Saying otherwise is just obvious delusion based upon personal motivations from troubled minds.
I mean, just look at him!

>>88636904
>one empowered feminist
Do you mean in-universe or out-of-universe? Because he wasn't turned gay by an "empowered feminist." He was turned gay by a butthurt waifufag because he dated Kitty. Getting made gay was solely to punish him for touching her.

>>88636623
dat bulge tho

>>88637242
10/10 bait.
Your doing it anon. Living the dream.
Keep pushing.

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Of course, some will claim that those long-ago depictions of normal 1960's heterosexual behavior are somehow indicating gay "flaming" type idiosyncrasies, that's just taking every little thing out of context in ignorance of how things used to be.
The last thing that Bobby Heterorapelord Drake would ever be is "Flaming"...

>>88637149
You're really stretching here

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>>88637282
How dare anyone make the claim that dating the one girl that is defined by a no-touching rule is somehow indicative of Bobby being "frigid" towards women!

>>88637297
Another example of a character whose body altering powers are an untapped goldmine of porn.

>>88636623
Yeah there are a lot of men and women stay in the closet into their 40s, after marriage and a kid or two

Real tragic they felt the need or hated themselves to do it

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>>88637282
>>88637394
Just stop and think about that passion they shared. That unbridled lust! The obvious HeteroHeroNormality that they both share.

>>88636623
he was mindraped into faggotry

>>88637415
Wasn't that the deal with the Orlando shooter? Like he had a few failed grinder dates and bathroom handjobs so he just gunned down other people to reject and suppress his own sexuality? on top of the other motive

No.
Teen Jean, without the guidance of Professor Xavier used her powers to turn Bobby gay because she was tired of his pubescent thoughts.
She in turn made present Bobby gay as to not raise suspicion.

>>88637333
>>88637394
>>88637467
You're definitely b8ing m8y

>>88636790
She's just a pedophile who used that to hide the fact that she molested Kristen Stewart and other kids. They were outlets for her own image problems.

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>>88637377
Why? HOW?
Isn't it a normal thing for a boy to go on dates four times with a girl before the question of physical attraction is ever raised?
Isn't it normal for a boy to think establishing emotional connections of friendship are what the criteria for selecting a sexual partner are?

>>88637044
she just wrote Han Solo anon

>>88637546
>Isn't it a normal thing for a boy
I doubt Stan Lee had any idea what was normal for a teenage boy to be doing while he was writing this. I mean he was already in his 40's

Just look at the same checkerd suits Ditko and Kirby drew for just about all their careers, they only knew the fashion of their youth

>>88636904
>>88636953
>>88637149
>>88637242
Honestly how much time and energy did you put into finding these pages and posting them in every single iceman thread you see?

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>>88637532
THIS.
So much THIS.

GOD! It must have been so irritating to Jean, being lusted after like that?
Oh, wait ... No, uh... Jean was jealous about how nobody was lusting after her... No...
Wait, I know this...

>>88637604
>did you put into finding these pages
Oh I'm sure there's a whole tumbler dedicated to posting out of context pages to show that Iceman as gay all along

People have been spamming this one from day one >>88636953

Shippers are lunatics, just look at Overwatch

>>88637604
Not enough, there's a bunch of stories that I never grabbed a pic out of that I'm regretting not having here right now.

>>88637613
>a few panels from the 60s are evidence iceman has always been gay despite decades of characterization otherwise

Haha batman actually loves using guns. You can tell because he used guns when he debuted and shot a gun at Darkseid during Final Crisis

:^)

>>88637668
> WhatCulture/WatchMojo presents 10 Things You Didn't Know about ________

> Here's the scene from the Injustice comic of Alfred beating up Superman

>>88637668
>https://www.google.com.pr/amp/gizmodo.com/7-times-batman-has-bent-his-no-guns-rule-1634040693/amp?client=safari

Wow really makes you think

>>88636623
1. Time doesn't work that way in comics.
2. Lot's of people did in fact hide that long, sometimes men who were long married or famous.
>>88636641
>>88636670
>>88636830
This is fine because it's about delivery and writing, be more like these people OP.

>>88636770
Chris Claremont wrote a lot of mutants to be different levels of gay.

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>>88637613
>I would never actually be able to properly argue his point, so I just sarcastically agrees while offering extremely weak unintentional innuendo that can be found in all comics and for all characters from that time.

There's more and stronger 'evidence' of this kind for Batman being a pedo than for Iceman being gay.

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>>88637668
I don't understand.
Are you saying that one character being written as being in the closet, intentionally, from the very first moment the known counter-cultural hippie-liberals at Marvel created him SOMEHOW means that the established canon of another character of another comic of another company isn't so...
... is BECAUSE of WHAT?

How does that work? I understand that you believe this logic makes sense in your head, and that you think it's being employed by the people you hold in contempt for not agreeing with you...
BUT for ANYONE to think that makes sense it has to hold to some sort of logic.
You're the one that's propagating this theory of thought, so you would know: how was it supposed to make sense?

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>>88637877
Exactly, Iceman has always been gay because of a few reaching panels that are only odd from the perspective of the modern day, and Batman has always been a pedophile for the same reason!

>>88637923
But people have known about the homoeroticism of batman for more than 60 years.

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>>88637939
Histrionic soccer moms were the only ones that cared back in the day (and still now really). Even sleeping in the same bed wasn't actually that odd.

Of course, you're right in that even then, some people at least picked up the supposed Batman innuendo, while even today, not being fixated on a specific girl is not seen as a sign of being gay.

>>88637982
>letting children read that smut

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Jesus fucking christ, Jean.

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>>88637764
>Lots of X-Men are written as gay to different degrees.
Iceman's a self-loathing in-the-closet homosexual.
Northstar's obviously a victim of Jean Grey's feminism mind-control punishment for being so heterosexual that he thinks misogynistic rapey thoughts all the time ... like all heroic men do.
Storm has a long-distance back-up girlfriend while she sleeps her way through half the X-Men cast because she's omnisexual.
(or whatever you call that)
Psylocke once had a threesome with a guy and a girl version of Fantomex because she's clearly bisexual.
Cyclops... never mind...
Magneto and Professor X have had a very suggestive kind of special "bromance" for decades.
Shatterstar - another poor victim of Jean Grey...
Kitty Pryde is a lesbian. Duh. She's like the gender-reverse of Bobby Drake.
Rachel Summers is a very kinky lesbian, who couldn't get the Kitty-conversion for all her past efforts.
Magik. She's bouncing back and forth between a creepy crush on Peter and relationship with Kitty.
Logan ... barring a tension between him and Cyke, he's all hetero.

>>88636623
>>88636641
>>88638035

I want to retcon this into Jean making Bobby gay because she's one of those girls that enjoy seeing gay dudes fuck as a fetish (like guys who like watching lesbians).

>>88637923
>>88637982
God, man.
It's like you never read a comic before.
Next you're going to say that there's never been a creepy sexual thing between Batman and Joker.

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>>88638072
Oh gosh, that's my fetish.

>>88638097
If you seriously think there was intentional pedophilic subtext, you are an idiot.

The Joker thing, on the other hand, is quite believable as it adds another weird layer to Joker's character.

>>88636623
>So he was in the closet for over 40 years?

No, uncle fester remembered that 1 episode of Family Guy where they make fun of Bobby being gay because he goes around in his underwear, and then he also remembered Scrubs where "The Todd" is revealed as being gay to subvert his whole macho skirt-chasing personality and thought this would be perfect to reboot a character who is often an overthought on the X-Men.

The fact that people make a big deal about this, both pro and anti gay conversion Bobby, only proves that cuck right.

Stop playing yourselves.

>>88638072
Why does she have to be brought low?

She's always been Jean. And when characters in the X-Men describe who Jean is they always say she's the sweet hometown girl-next-door type who loves everyone unconditionally because she's just nice like that.
She's without any sort of weird sexual aspect to who she is because someone who is that nice is itself a weird thing that separates you from the rest of humanity.

That's one of the reasons why this whole Iceman brainrape personal issues theory is insulting to people who actually read the comics.

>>88638167
Or he remembered that time Bobby took Rogue to a coming out party at his parents' house and carefully replaced 'gay' with 'mutant'.

>>88638072
She was just salty that he didn't think she was hot

>>88638138
You are dumb.
It's been the joke about Batman ever since Robin first showed up.
There are books written about this stuff.
It's a culturally recognized punchline.
This is not some headcanon /co/ came up with yesterday.

You really need to get your shit together and start seeing reality for what it is.

>>88638058
>Logan ... barring a tension between him and Cyke, he's all hetero.
The only reason there was tension between Logan and Scott was because he was fucking the girl Logan wanted to fuck.

>>88638194
It is hilarious how it was obvious to so many people and "fanboys" are still freaking out because they're so shocked by it.

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>>88638239

>>88638221
But it is a JOKE, you idiot. Its not intentional, and anyone who makes the joke knows its not some actual subtext the writers were trying to sneak in for fear of being persecuted for their pedophilic beliefs.

>>88638285
What are you trying (and failing) to say here, idiot?
That it *IS* a JOKE? -something put into the comics with humorous *intent*?
OR
That it's not intentional? -and that nobody who put those suggestive scenes in the comics had any idea that pedo thoughts were being portrayed?

It's one or the other, you can't have an unintentional joke made dozens of times over unintentionally.

>>88638239
Logan wanted to fuck X-23?

>>88638416
You very much can, when you're writing innocent childlike unrealistic stories about a man living with a ten-year old boy. Of course, its a joke by the observer who points it out and laughs, its not a joke by the creator. If you think they were purposely slipping pedophilia into Batman comics, you are abundantly idiotic.

By all means though, provide me some evidence to support this view, or any evidence that anyone aside from soccer moms actualy thought DC were purposely producing pedophilic material.

>>88638058
How the fuck do you leave out Mystique and Destiny?

>>88638194
That moive was directed by a gay pedophile

>>88638239
That and Logan likes getting into fights and dislikes being told to follow orders.

Unless those orders are to open a can of whoopass.

>>88638519

He's talking about something that happened in the comics, genius

>>88638507
They're not X-Men.

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And you all paid money for this? Holy shit...

>>88638541
Mystique is. I was only mentioned Destiny cause it's who she was fuck.

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>>88638483
Did you not see those pics?
>>88637923
>>88637778

It's not as if the adult writer who came up with the story and the adult artist who drew the scene and the adult editor who oversaw the production of this stuff were all innocent children without any concept of sex.
Is that what you think? Is that what you're arguing? Is that what's so obvious to you that you're calling strangers online idiots for not believing that?

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>>88638507
Destiny was never an X-Man. Raven was...
But the truth is that I was wracking my brain to think of more guy examples.

>>88638573
Yes, because views towards children, sexuality and what was appropriate were different from modern times. The modern world is so hyper-aware of any signs of pedophilia that you can't imagine a world where this wasn't done.

By all means, though, show me some evidence that there was purposeful pedophilia in Batman comics.

>>88638648
and NOW I get to report you for requesting under-aged porn on a blue board!

>: D

>So he was in the closet for over 40 years?

Over 50 years.

But in-universe, how long was it? Bobby's the youngest of the original five but Hank, Corpseclops, and Archangel are in their thirties??? Forties???

It's still tragic to think someone had to spend their entire life living up to the expectations of hateful and intolerant strangers.

>>88638758
I always thought he was only a few years older than Kitty. How old is she?

>>88638801
Who knows? Early 20s -ish.
She was 13 when first introduced. The original "New Mutant".
Bobby was said to be 14 in the original run, but they also had Scott as 15. Not much of a difference.

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>>88638519

Who said anything about movies?

>>88638851
Man, I forgot he did that in a pastel blouse.

>>88637982
The main reason you even see Batman with females as cast members now is due to just how utterly gay everyone thought he was.

>>88638925
Ahh... Now I feel sad feels for Catwoman.

>>88638851
>Dad's racist
>This is about being gay
Okay

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>>88638851
Should we really be reading anything into the color of his shirt?

>>88638967

...

>>88638460
Jean Grey and i mean the adult one

>>88638967
You do remember that mutants aren't real, right?
You do get that they're all metaphorical and stuff, right?

>>88638986
Adult Jeanie wants some of that Laura action?
I've got to start reading more comics.

>>88638967
Stop being retarded.

>>88638987
I didn't realize the chinese and italians were too.

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At least they know how to touch a man!

>>88638995
No i meant that Original Wolverine (Logan) adult Jean Grey for quite awhile.
Adult Jean Grey didn't have that sorts of feelings for Laura

>>88638987
Yeah. It's clearly about race.
Dad is obviously an Assimilated American ashamed of his or his wife's roots. Bobby's powers represent the fact that Bobby's ethnicity shines past his father's generic American ideal and threaten that normalcy. Bobby makes things worse by disregarding it even further and bringing Wops and Gooks into his house. And now White Trash Mutants.

The whole gay thing is just reaching.

>>88639050
(You)

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>>88636623
no, iceman was never gay
he is a alpha male fucking women

progressives at marvel turned him gay for the sake of diversity and to feed the curiosity of women who like yaoi and gay porn

>>88639050
X-Men is an allegory for discrimination in general. Mutant powers usually form around puberty and they intentionally use language that's similar to coming out of the closet where mutants hide their powers. And yeah, some can't hide them and then the language switches to code words for racial discrimination. And of course Xavier and Magneto are Jewish so there's religious and ethnic discrimination language built in as well. X-Men as a series has covered all ground.

>>88639050
I didn't realize that interracial kids had coming out parties.
Or that they could be born and grow up without the parent's awareness.
I'm sure where you come from (Looney-Land) it's commonplace for interracial kids to come out as non-white to their parents, but in my reality that's not very commonplace.

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Jean was avenging the manipulative Charles Xavier on how Bobby walked out on the X-Men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUJdjGV9ehs

Jean is such a bitch

>>88639061
What? Mutants are clearly an ethnic allegory. Bobby's family like to think of themselves as WASPs but it's probable that Drake was just another name pushed on them at Ellis Island and they ran with it. Deep down they don't fit the mold Papa Drake built up for them and he hates it. Just like the Xgene didn't just spring up in Bobby it had to come from their blood. And daddy Drake hates that deep down he feels his boy got it from him or his wife. He's no better than the Italians or Japs that aren't "like him" and he can't handle it.
The X-men play with this a lot. It's no mistake that Storm is a hodge podge of multiple races.
>>88639134
What coming out party? He's well aware what his son is.

>>88636623
Bendis was just pissed that he fucked his waifu.

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>>88639187
Bendis is a wanker and Jewish, so we know why he wants to see the world burn

>>88639166
>it couldn't be this thing because i don't like the symbolism
>it must be this thing i just made up whole cloth
lol ok

>>88639134
>all mutants are gay

>>88639214
What are you talking about? Why bring up ethnicity if it's not about ethnicity which the X-men constantly play with?

>>88639220
Stop quoting Claremont, this wasn't his doing.

>>88639228
You should go learn how to read if you're having trouble parsing the meaning.

>>88639254
I have no issue understanding the meaning. I made nothing up. The symbolism is all there and more fitting than pulling homosexuality out of your ass.

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>>88639111
That's another thing!
Where do these fuckwits get off with this notion that Marvel comics turned liberal yesterday?
Peter Parker was "in love with Mary Jane" and was involved with student anti-war protests.
The Hulk was anti-war.
Captain America recruited Falcon to headline in his comic and bring in a discussion about race in America.
Iron-Man was replaced by Jim Rhodes after Marvel's alcoholism messaging.
The Fantastic Four constantly talked about Ben Grimm's lack of acceptance in society because of his difference.
The X-Men had stories about persecution of the different long before the Sentinels were invented.
So why constantly headcanon that Marvel used to be as hateful and intolerant as /pol/ before the modern era?
That's a bald-faced lie.

wasn't he the star of Operation Zero Intolerance?!!


Holy shit, Lobdell, you crazy bastard, you knew all along.
Well played sir.

>>88639266
whoa there buddy. Hateful and intolerant on one side and giant gay asspull out of nowhere on the other? I have no issue with Northstar or wiccan or some brand new special snowflake gay OC. But turning Iceman gay just because 'why not?'
Unacceptable.

>>88639187
There's never any sex scene.
They were just "dating".

>>88639298
Just because it scares you on a deeply personal level that gay exists, does not give you the right to shitpost a lie disproven over and over again on every thread ever made about Iceman coming out.

>>88639280
He also nearly killed Emma Frost for saying he liked interior design. Lobdell knew what he was doing.

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>>88639266
>bald-faced lie.
IT'S BOLD-FACED YOU FUCKNIGGER
I DON'T CARE IF BALD-FACED IS ALSO GRAMMATICALLY ACCEPTABLE YOU ARE STILL WRONG

>>88639361
I'm not saying Lobdell is the best X-Men writer of all-time but besides Claremont, he kinda is

Yes, the way he was always constantly hitting on girls was the #1 sign of being gay. None of the straight characters care about girls that much.

>>88639431
all I think about is girls and I'm a virgin so I might be gay

>>88639111
>progressives at marvel turned him gay for the sake of diversity and to feed the curiosity of women who like yaoi and gay porn


Not really an argument. But Marvel has historically done things for the sake of diversity. You pointing it out now, only emphasizes how you've never gave a fuck about them to begin.

wasn't he good in Austen's run....?

also wasn't he in some X-Factor story

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>>88639361
You should reread some comics with an eye to how the telepaths interact with people.
Some of them are clearly manipulating others but for the most part they're keeping people's secrets for them.
(Original) Jean Grey was the trusted confidant in almost every conversation they ever put her in.
The Cuckoos are always making a judgemental commentary to each other about people.
Emma is always mind-snooping and teasing people, until she becomes a "good girl".

They do write them with a mind for this stuff.

>>88639312
Sure Bendis, Sure.

>>88636623
>time paradox literally make you gay

>>88639431
>>88639444
Samefag, (literally) you are pretending that Bobby's (and your) obvious attempts to hide your true nature with these constant vocal expressions about how heterosexual you really are is something that works.
Everyone who reads your totally insecure rants about gay being portrayed as existing is questioning your motives.
And there's clearly one major reason for someone to try so hard to express that they're straight that hard...

(I mean, it's not as if you simply posted that you didn't see gay in the character ... and then moved on with your life.)

>>88639585
Except he literally wasn't gay before since different writers have wrote him different ways and not every single person who's ever wrote an X-Men comic decided to have a secret SJW pro-gay agenda hidden in it.

>>88639642
>Secret SJW pro-gay agenda

It's not secret if people know what going on. Marvel has never been secretive about their leftist agenda. They broacasted in the open and it even earned them a loyal following.

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>>88639511
No, really. They never got beyond hand-holding and kisses in discreet private settings.
That's what was portrayed, repeatedly.
We aren't talking about teenaged virgin characters, these are characters who both had a preference for light petting, a few nice words, and then going on with their day.
You know what nerd-boy Summers did the second he got any telepathic hottie alone in his head? Every single time?
Even when his conscience and wedding ring was telling him not to.

>>88639684

So you're saying that gay Iceman wasn't a Bendis innovation, but that it was always canon? Are you a Hypercrisis poster?

>>88639642
What is it that you psychos think being "in the closet" is?
Really. It's about time you started answering this question.
Because it's not being openly gay. Get it?
You can't keep "pretending" to be this stupid here.
It has been explained to you. There is no reason for you to continue to be this stupid.
Or do you have some lie about what "in the closet" is that's so miraculously believable that you can be forgiven for how stupid you are?

>>88639728
>So you're saying that gay Iceman wasn't a Bendis innovation

No it was, i'm just saying there's no such thing as a SECRET SJW agenda at marvel. It's more than open and it's them jumping on the current trend in leftism. On top of that being an SJW agenda alone really isn't an argument. You stating what it is like others should see from your view point and accept it as an insult, really doesn't put much threat on it.

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>>88639728
Did you see all those pics from the Stan Lee era?

Are you really durping so hard that you believe Bendis hopped into a time machine and went back to personally plant that stuff?
What about that character he dated in The Defenders? The cloud-power superhero that turned back and forth between a girl and a boy?
Why exactly did you think they singled out Bobby for that story back when the comics code still had a ban of all things gay?

>>88637044
>Aaron's OTP

Man. That's practically fucking crackship territory because I don't think they were ever on a team together until like... fuck, Utopia era?

>>88639735
But he's right Bobby wasn't being written as in the closet before, it's all a retcon.

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>>88637149
Because clearly, only a gay man would ever be interested in seeing Natalie Wood.

>>88639824
Anon you don't get it.
Everything Bobby did is now to be viewed through the lens that he's gay. Any other explanation is a stretch.
If he doesn't like girls enough he's clearly just not into girls. If he likes girls too much he's clearly putting up an act. Etc.
He's. Gay.

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>>88639810
Then WHY did they depict him as they did?
WHY was he in so many stories about acceptance?
WHY do anons on /co/ post about how they did know this beforehand BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE CLUES?

And what exactly would have qualified in your eyes as a story that DID hint about it?

>>88639850
its called convincing yourself


much like you think every hot jock is gay and will fuck you

>>88639824
I didn't realize that there was this nude scene in "West Side Story"... the musical that they were talking about...
You remember Musicals, like from Broadway musicals ... full of showtunes ...
You know... all those clearly heterosexual interests...

Seriously, this is your argument that you're making here.

>>88639870
Except this is a fictional characters. So you can literally take all those scenarios and apply them as such and it pieces together perfectly. Because the character is viewed how the writers who write him want him to be.

>>88639166
>Bobby's family like to think of themselves as WASPs

Actually it's more that Bobby's uncle on his father's side was killed by the Japanese in WW2, and he had lingering resentment against the Japanese.

>>88636904
he says gosh more than napoleon dynamite

>>88639850
I don't know why you're posting this panel in an Iceman thread, who the hell is this Lance guy?

>>88639850
They can't answer any one of these questions.
It's obvious that they have to CONVINCE THEMSELVES that "gay" doesn't exist in a character that they personally identify with so strongly.
There's a certain level of desperation in how they avoid actually responding to any point made.

>>88639891
And Wops?

>>88639918
Clearly that's the name Bobby uses for anonymous gay sex.
>>88639850
What clues?

>>88639930
Nah its just a retcon everything else is just twisting everything else out of context to make the retcon seem like it was actually the plan all along and all these writers over the year were cobbling together this narrative.

>>88639886
I didn't realize Natalie Wood stopped being hot just because she was in a Musical.
Besides it's a well known fact Musicals=Thankful Blowjobs from women.

>>88637527
Didn't his own father see gays as an "abomination". Gotta have been hard to see other gays have fun and be free. Envy can boil into resentment, into anger.

>>88639988
I'm not sure about his dad but I'm pretty sure his mosque did. And I vaguely recall his dad talking about his son's rants when they saw a gay couple in public.

>>88636623
He tried pot once. Now he's gay.

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>>88639954
When Decimation happened Bobby tried to fake being a normal human, when his powers got wonky and he couldn't turn back into flesh'n'blood he was accused of trying to hide his true nature, one girl he dated broke up with him because he was "trying to pretend he wasn't what he was".
That wasn't a kind of storyline that other characters who hated their mutations kept repeatedly living through.
(well... mostly)
Bobby was the one who always had the storyline about hiding who he was.
Learn to take a hint.

>>88639982
(1)- You have to stop watching South Park for lessons on how reality really is.
I shouldn't have to tell you how retarded that is, Matt and Tray already did in an episode.

(2)- You have obviously never heard a homosexual talk about musicals, just mention Barbara Streisand in their presence and you will hear even a flaming-gay queer praise a woman's beauty.
It's a thing.

>>88638058
>Magik. She's bouncing back and forth between a creepy crush on Peter and relationship with Kitty.
Colossus Peter?

I thought Magik was a toss up between Kitty and... the Native-Valkyrie girl who's name escapes me just now.

It just may well be that she's so damaged that she can't express emotions right and shies away from actual sexuality in general, potentially making her the Queen of /CO/ I guess.

>Magneto and Professor X have had a very suggestive kind of special "bromance" for decades.
People can me a lot to each other without there being a sexual issue involved. They're like close brothers.


Anyway, the issue is less "gay X-Man" than the evil of Jean Grey mind raping Bobby to be gay.

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>>88636670
>>it was such a asspull

Or in this case more of an ass push

>>88639889
Then he is clearly not gay not even bi

>>88640153
Nah Magik is a pedo. Daniel and Kitty are too old, pixie is more her prey...I mean type. Subtext is all there.

>>88640102
And you clearly believe all straight men stop being attracted to women once they start singing.

>>88636641
>no build up
Why would you need a build up for being gay?

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>>88640153
>Colossus Peter?
They're very-very close siblings.
/co/ has shipped them for a long while now.
And it's only a matter of time before some edgy writer starts writing "Wanda-and-Pietro" scenes for them.
And Magneto/Xavier have had lots of oddly intimate scenes. I don't know when it started being written that way, but there's more than just a backstory of friendship between them.
I was going to post the history as I know it but then I realized that it's been retconned several times.

Anyway, LGBTQ issues and the symbolism of that being a huge part of the whole X-Men story is definitely relevant to whether or not Iceman was always intended to represent a part of the LGBTQ population.
It's like arguing if there was ever any themes of psychology in Batman comics from the beginning and whether or not that validates the most recent psychological themed storylines. One of Batman's first villains was an evil psychiatrist, it's part of the mythos.

>>88640250
How do you justify that trolling shit when the writers have written him as being always-has-been gay?
You JUST said you were basing your opinion on what the writers wrote.

>>88640279
GAAAAWWWD, you turn one underaged girl into your personal phallic-symbol weapon and suddenly everyone thinks you objectify young girls...

I really wish there was some legitimate outrage to Bendis' decision to make Ice Man gay

but I know there wasn't.

>>88640328
It's just bullshit troll logic.
If there had somehow been some dramatic tension-filled build-up for the revelation like they're doing with that other character, it wouldn't matter.
Trolls don't read what they bash.
This prick is lying about having ever read a comic.
He keeps posting wrong information and attacking known facts.
It's nothing but homophobic trolling meant to undermine the thread and ruin the board.
They will be attacking any thread on the board that has people contributing right now. It's what they do.
Report them. I do.

>>88636623
Some people are in the closet their entire lives, OP. 40 years ain't shit.

>>88640425
I just wish there was any legitimate outrage to Stan Lee's decision to make Iceman (one word) gay
butt I know there is because I'm watching the butthurt right now!

>>88640249
Eyyyyyyy

>>88640359
Bad writing

>>88640464
I seriously don't know how there's not more spree-killings and vicious kidnapping/torture/dismembering/murders committed against the people who walk around commenting on how being gay should be banned.
It's not as if assholes don't constantly make themselves a target to an invisible population that could be standing right next to them at any time.

>>88640501
But it - IS - what has been written.
And you only think it's bad writing because you don't like what was revealed.
It's not as if there's been a real criticism about the scene.
What was it this time? No "build-up" to the big revelation.
What a bullshit crybaby pretend complaint.
Last time I read that it didn't have an emotional enough aftermath.
Because that's what the homophobes want more of?
But hey, YOU probably have a real critique.
What is it? What made the writing bad?
Was there a spelling mistake?
Did you have trouble following what was happening?
Were you confused?

>>88640548
Its looks like you're the one confused

>>88640425
There was only from the start

>>88640507
All the psychos all kill is nice people and hot chicks. Never anybody that deserves to die or whose death would make the world better in any way.

I have a friend who says the Army just serves corporate interests and then the next minute says "support our troops, they're heroes" Even though they are stupid suckers who decided to risk their lives and kill so that some very rich people could get slightly richer.

Dumb people... which is everybody. Buy into fucking dumb shit simply because the majority buys into it.

>>88640359
>when the writers have written him as being always-has-been gay?
That is an outright lie

>>88640572
Brilliant comeback!
And it stands on it's own! No explanation needed!
Of course...
>"I'm not confused! You're confused!"
Such repartee is rarely seen outside of the highest levels of pre-school.
I can tell this witty retort is a high achievement in your life.

When was the moment you realized Iceman lost his anal cherry to some dude's penis?

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>>88640611
Oh *THIS* is adorable.

Just out of curiosity: What do you think was written (by the writers) that makes people think Iceman came out of the closet?
(I'm sure we're all going to get a laugh from this.)

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>>88636641
>>88636695
>>88636713
>>88636732
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>>88637077
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>>88637532

Are closeted teen boys really this desperate?

>>88640623

Personally I preffer fort

>>88640644
I'm saying that 40 years ago Stan Lee wasn't sitting back in his chair laughing that no one had figured out he intended iceman to be gay. Because it didn't happen

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>>88640623
Do you understand that having anal sex is not what makes someone gay or not?
There's other things involved: mainly what sexual feelings someone has for people of their own gender.

Here's a protip: if you, personally, are sent to prison and brutally raped, non-consensually - - - That doesn't mean you're gay.

>>88640675
This page still makes me mad every time I read it
>having failed relationships means you're gay
>bi erasure

>>88640675
Here's why you're an idiot: The second part >Here's a protip: if you, personally, are sent to prison and brutally raped, non-consensually - - - That doesn't mean you're gay.

First, I don't even believe that. Second, the fact that you think I do means you've assumed a lot of stupid bullshit.

Gay people do frequently have anal sex. And if you believe Bobby hasn't yet, that option is there for you to believe.

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>>88640672
>it didn't happen
Mostly because it was pretty obvious to everyone, and to a lesser extent because it was 50 years ago.
But thanks for your "insight" anyway.

>>88640706
>Mostly because it was pretty obvious to everyone
Ah yes, everyone just silently agreed that Bobby was gay. Thank God bendis is here in the modern day to voice what everyone already knew. You fucking faggot

>>88640698
Idiot. He hasn't started dating anyone.
Read a fucking comic or stop posting on /co/.

>>88640618
Yep, you're confused and delusional how sad

>>88640728
>gay men
>needing to be dating someone to have sex
No doubt young Iceman was on grindr the moment he got outed

>>88640728
>Read a comic

>Start with fucking BENDIS X-men. Or you're an idiot.

And before you do, hammer nails into your scrotum.

>>88640706
There's nothing there that's implied gay

>>88640724
>Ah yes, everyone just silently agreed that Bobby was gay
Yeah... that's literally what it was. Newfags are hilarious.

>>88640762
Nope no one agrees

Even after jean messing with his mind

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>>88640724
Given that other writers wrote him into gay situations ...
and the comics code authority didn't close Marvel comics down for breaking their homosexuality ban...
And a fanbase developed around the inside-joke that he was gay...

YES, everyone silently thought he was gay. Duh.

>>88640689
If you're mad about page you're kinda dumb

It's not bi-erasure, it's future proofing so other writers don't by complete 'accident' sweep his bisexuality under a rug and write him as a hetrosexual

and the other thing is a person joking with their friend, come the fuck on

>>88640762
Except that's completely bullshit

>>88640781
That's assuming too much
Nothing there implies being gay

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>>88640778
>Nope no one agrees
>Stop proving me wrong!!!!!

>>88640793
You have not provided a single scrap of proof

>>88640789
I'm sorry that you don't read comics anon.

>>88640793
The only proof I see is how bendis shoe horn and force his gay narrative

>>88640787
But he's not bi. He's "full gay"

>>88640814

Please work on your reading comprehension.

>>88640817
I don't have to work for you!

>>88640809
this guy's starting to sound gay...

you doth protest too much

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>>88640806
What I don't get is why they care so much about a comic they obviously don't read.
I also don't understand how they think they can convince people of their fucked-up little limited worldview without making an argument.

I'm starting to understand how terrifying Reverend Stryker was to the X-Men.

>>88640802
Kek. The triggering is real.

>>88640876
>What I don't get is why they care so much about a comic they obviously don't read.
Because they want to discuss real world politics and they think comics are just 20-page political advertisements nowadays.

>>88640876
We do like Iceman that why we care and thinks forcing him gay was a retarded mistake

It was as if someone threw lateral bullshit on your face

>>88640870
Serious question: What do you think Wolverine's "other" quality is?

You know: Kurt is this crazy devout religious guy but actually nicer because of it = ABNORMAL
Colossus is this huge Russian colossus of a man even before he transforms and he has the soul of an artist = ABNORMAL
Storm is this dignified seven foot tall bisexual goddess who practices nudism = ABNORMAL

So what's off about Logan? He's not actually that short. There's plenty of other cold-blooded killers. He's not gay. (Scott doesn't count)

>>88640894
But he was always gay. Don't you see the proof? Like he went on a date to a musical and he didn't cum his pants when Jean was around. The writers were always telling you. You're literally being a genocidal maniac right now.

>>88640933
He's a massive fucking Weeb.

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>>88640894
You "liked" Iceman?
And you read X-Men comics?
And you never once noticed ANYTHING that hinted at him being gay???

Are you sure?

>>88640934
Nope all of this only proves he wasn't actually
The forcing of him being gay was rea>>88640934
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>>88640952
Nothing just an average young naive heterosexual male

until the bendis jean bullshit

>>88640952
I guess he just didn't read talking to his team mate as gay.
Iceman's latent homosexuality proof is basically the shit that literally every other hero has as proof.
All the fujoshippers just finally lucked out and had a writer retcon him into gay and suddenly all their reaching was justified.

>>88640952
You're genuinely just taking out of context panels and implying innuendo where there is none. You're trying to make it sound like he's been written as Tobias Fünke for the past several decades when that's not the case at all. Can you provide an example of a writer outright stating they intended him to be gay?

>>88640972
>>88640975
It's literally the most obvious pick-up line ever.
Are you seriously not trolling here?

>>88640952
He has Robin tier recognition because he's the everyday fun loving goofball young straight kid in all of us

Also by easy recognition Iceman = man with ice powers

I bet he's the goes to favorite Xmen cause of his easy accessibility


Having him forced to be gay is a slap in our faces

>>88640986
No not trolling

>>88640982
What would be the point?
You would just move the goalpost again.
You're obviously either trolling or super insecure about your own sexuality.

>>88641006
Or maybe it you that's insecure
You're the one that keeps forcing sexuality in everything

>>88640990
WHY?
What's the slap in your face?
What's wrong about being gay?
And if you really aren't homophobic (yeah, right) what's wrong about him being gay?

>>88640982
>Cover of him hitting on a man
>Haha guys he was just joking :)

>>88640706
>"Your dog is so awesome! What's his name?"
>"Actually he's a she!"
>"Oh, whoops!"
>"Haha fuck off you closeted faggot I know how much you like to eat penis now because of that gaff!"
>"Aw shucks..."

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>>88640986
It seems like a stretch anon.
Not that it can't be used as a flirtatious line but nothing inherently makes it a pick up line.
Just for fun, what's the actual context of that page?

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>>88640990
>He has Robin tier recognition

>>88640982
I bet he thinks nightcrawler or Dick is gay because of all the lewd poses they are drawn

>>88641033
>What's wrong about being gay?
Because it's NOT MUH ICEMAN

>>88641033
It's so disrespectful and total bullshit
>>88641044
He's popular but not an icon tier

>>88641045
>Dick isn't gay
NOW we have reached peak denial.

>>88641033
Because it was a dumb retcon?

>>88641053
>It's so disrespectful
>To a fictional character
>Who doesn't exist

>>88641033
Completely baseless to make him gay that shit was forced as fuck

>>88641006
Exactly. You have no proof other than out of context panels.
>>88641037
That image with colossus wasn't a cover unless you're referencing something else. Even then jokingly asking if someone is going the same direction as you isn't hitting on them

>>88640986
That's not a pick up line though...

>>88641068
I guess he means more to us than with fake faggot fans

>>88641023
You (I'm presuming these other similar responses were also you) keep accusing me of being gay as if that's a slur, as if it would negate the truth of anything I've posted, and as if only a gay person would care about opposing this kind of vitriolic discrimination.
I'm not a gay man. I don't even like the adult Bobby character that much.
I am however horribly offended that /co/ can't have a nice conversation in good faith without people like you pushing intolerance.
Because what you are doing is the literal definition of intolerance.
Wrong board.

>>88641059
Wrong Robin. All the Fujos pretend Tim is gay because he was a virgin with close best friend
>>88641068
Well yeah if he was a real guy he'd just be gay. A writer needed to badly write Iceman coming out of the closet.

>>88641044
Iceman is really recognizable
But lives in the shadow of the xmen

>>88641043
Dude, you did not just pretend that Gentleman Ghost is an example of a heterosexual...

>>88641059
Tim actually has evidence of shit that is pretty questionable. Iceman has nowhere near that level of evidence. Tim had a whole storyline about him getting over his male best friends death and basically made out with Wonder Girl over his body. Iceman has a history of failed relationships and a few out of context panels that people are inserting innuendo into.

>>88641080
We can't always tolerate bullshit and forced gay narrative

We need to called them out

>>88641061
>Because it was a dumb retcon?
Please read a comic.

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How does Warbird feel about Iceman being gay?

>>88641069
>Completely baseless to make him gay
Being gay IS completely baseless. Being any sexuality is completely baseless.

>>88641107
We did that's why we think its dumb and forced

>>88641033
Him being forced gay gives nothing of value and shits on his legacy

People are going to have to start making actual responses that have a real answer to what was posted.
It is a rule on the blue boards. What's being done now is shitposting.

>>88641121
>forced
Of course it was forced you idiot. The writers make characters do things. comic books aren't real.

>>88641130
>shits on his legacy
>Iceman
>Legacy
Now i know you don't read comics.

>>88641114
That's why he oesn't need to be gay

>>88641080
This is genuinely b8 or you're an idiot. You've already said you don't like the character yet apparently you're still in a position to tell people who are fans of the character that out of context panels are evidence that he's always been gay. Disagreeing with you has nothing to do with discrimination. This has nothing to do with disliking gay characters. It's more disagreeing with the notion that having a series of failed relationships with women implies homosexuality in men. That is the main evidence fans of the theory and bendis bring up more than any ooc panels, and that's a pretty bullshit assumption.

>>88641135
>it was forced
That's what we have been arguing here

>>88641130
Him being forced straight to appease fearful hatemongering undoes what has been established before and undermines the core message of tolerance that the X-Men books have always made.

>>88641145
Explain why he needs to be straight than.

>>88641112
She has yet to appear post the 8 months leap.

>>88641135
>it was forced
That's what we have been arguing here
>>88641153
Nothing there implies he was

>>88641158
He was intended to be that way
Its part of his character and legacy

>>88641152
>That's what we have been arguing here
Yeah, because you don't understand how comics work.

>>88641142
>I don't like a character and think he's shitty so therefore I can use ooc panels to support him being gay
Fuck off, anon. You're not even being clever now. We obviously do read enough comics to tell you that using some panels as evidence of a character being gay throughout their 50 year history in comics is bullshit.

>>88641170
We do that's why we keep saying him being gay is bullshit

>>88641153
>>88641158
He's always been written as straight. Always.

>>88641169
>He was intended to be that way
You asked jack kirby this?
>Its part of his character and legacy
No it isn't. That's not even in the realm of truth.

>>88641184
Than why are you making a fuss over him being gay if he isn't?

>>88641185
50 yes or so is more than enough evidence dont you think

They don't say he's gay either

>>88641169
And if Stan Lee himself says otherwise what's your bullshit argument going to change to then?

>>88641196
We actually care

>>88641203
How about your even more bullshhit gay narrative?

>>88641185
http://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/stan-lee-learns-marvel-creation-iceman-is-gay-wow-i-never-knew-that-a3117201.html

Fuck off, anon. Read some comics instead of lurking on the Mary Sue and fuck off. Those panels from the 60s that keep getting posted that you're implying innuendo or gayness from where not written as being such. You're projecting what you want to see.

>>88641199
>50 yes or so is more than enough evidence dont you think
If you read comics you would understand continuity and retcons.

>>88641205

Why?

>>88641220
And you would understand that it was a forced bendis bullshit

>>88641203
See >>88641219 , fagtron

>>88641196
Because he was retroactively made to be gay by Bendis out of nowhere. Which is annoying and poor storytelling.

>>88641232
Why not?

>>88641232
Because we like the character and have knowledge of past stories. You saying you don't care or that it isn't important doesn't support your argument. If anything it shows that you don't really know the character.

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>>88641219
Faggots BTFO!!

>>88637149
>wrangled by a forceful, tough group of lads
>the iceman cometh
It's subtle, isn't it?

>>88641219
>Stan lee created the x-men
Holy shit, i didn't think you could get any more new.

>>88641246

>Because we like the character and have knowledge of past stories.

Does making him gay make you not like him?

>>88641205
That's a lie. If you cared about the character you would have noticed that Marvel's been setting this up for decades.

>>88641219
>“Wow! I never knew that. I don’t care what happens as long as they tell good stories.”
You showed us, he's clearly against iceman being gay.

>>88641232
Bobby was my fave XMen

It is such a turn off now that he's forced into faggotry

I feel like I wasted money buying his stuff

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>>88641253
>Tumblr
That explains it.

>>88636904
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>>88640706
>"When he was informed of his character’s sexuality on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, he replied: “I wasn’t involved in that, that may have been after I stopped writing the books. I didn’t really have any gay characters. If they were gay I didn’t play up to the fact that they were. I wasn’t aware of my characters sexual proclivities.”

Fuck Off

>>88641271
And we should care why?

>>88640933
Logan Logan is a real American hero, who is the world's greatest murder hobo.

>>88641254
Apparently too subtle.

>>88641261
Only if you force yourself to see it
Nothing implies he's gay

>>88641280
>I wasn’t aware of my characters sexual proclivities.”
>Lee actively admits he didn't write him as straight
Anons still can't grasp this.

>>88641283
You shouldn't
But I care about Iceman

>They shouldn't make a big deal out of the characters sexuality
>They can't just make characters gay out of nowhere
Choose.

>>88641267
Way to move those goalposts. His quote clearly show that those panels from the 60s being posted as allusions to his homosexuality are bullshit. He was not written as gay.
>>88641258
Are you saying he didn't write >>88641280 ?
Those are all from when he wrote the book. It doesn't matter if he wasn't their original creator. The "evidence" being cited at least in those pages is complete projection by some gay anons.

>>88641294
He admitted he didn't right him as gay

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It's not fare marvel bros!!!
Why can't our heroes just be straight boys!!!

/co/ really is the easiest board to troll, isn't it?

>>88641302
Both

>>88641315
And that's why you never win.

>>88641283
B-Becaauuuuse!
I'm a privileged white hetero male and I d-didn't get everything I ever w-wanted!

>>88641294
You're taking this out of context much like how people are taking his panels out of context. He directly said he didn't write gay characters. He obviously did write straight ones considering Beast Cyclops and Angel openly said they wanted to bone Jean. There you go. He was not written as gay. The implication that his quotes from the 60s are evidence of his homosexuality are false.

>>88641294
Well then post that instead of "He talked to Colossus and went to a Musical" that's a much stronger argument if it exists.

>>88641302
It was out of nowhere tho and completely baseless

>>88641293
Nothing! Not even that scene where he says he's gay! And nothing ever will!!!!

>>88641302
Tim Drake would make sense as being gay per his relationship with Superboy. Iceman's evidence is that he has failed relationships with women. That's it.

>>88641335
Anything Bendis writes doesn't count.
Frankly the fact you defend Bendis' writing calls ANYTHING you say into question.

>>88641330
Because if it was built up you would complain about it being shoved down your throat.

>>88641335
Yes it was absolutely nothing

>>88641330

What would you prefer his sexuality be based on, and what kind of forewarning do you require?

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>>88641313
>get shown evidence character was not written as gay
>all those panels being posted as evidence proven bullshit
>start posting this shit

Loving Every Laugh

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>327 posts
>64 posters

>>88641344
Well if it was built up it would've happened 50 years ago.

>>88641350
Hes by default straight

>>88641304
He didn't say Iceman was written to be straight.
You're imagining that part.

>get shown evidence character was not written as gay
But he was anon. That's what this thread is about.

>>88636623
The really depressing thing about this is that it can never be retconned.

Every writer worth anything knows that Bobby is far more interesting without all his relationships boiled down to "He's guy guys", but even trying to phase this change out would be met with riotous accusations of homophobia.

He's gay forever now, and his character is worsened by it. Iceman is genuinely no longer the character anyone has ever liked him for being, and he never will be. He may as well have been removed from the books.

>>88641365

That's not really an answer to either question.

>>88641313
It wouldn't be if the mods enforced the rules.

>>88641357
Do you cry about wolverine not being a hulk villain too?

>>88641352
The fuck you're quoting me for, idiot?
You're responding to a shitposter doing the exact same song and dance, posting the same out-of-context panels and "arguments", for 1000000th time and you still engage him instead of reporting his garbage. You are objectively a moron and nothing I said in >>88641313 has been proven wrong so far.

>>88641379
No need to answer
He's by default a straight man