Very short Crumb story time!

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Stupid image reply cooldown...

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Final panel!

Enjoy!

The best cross-hatcher in the business.

somehow never pegged crumb as a pinko

>>88635108

>>88635026
I don't give a shit who it is. If you don't work, you don't eat.

>>88635529

Cartoonists are nearly always pinkos

>>88639565

Good thing you don't get to decide.

>>88639675

Just for that you don't get to eat.

>>88639565
What if I work, and still don't or can't eat?

>>88639565
In the future only the robots will get to eat.

>>88639845
That's your buisiness

>>88639863
What if I pay the robot to feed me?

>>88640008
Do robots accept cash?

>>88639565
Yeah, nah, fuck you. People deserve to live. Actually having a LIFE ought be a right. Actual testing on this concept shows people are more productive and more free when they dont have to worry about this shit.

Conservatism is simple and thats why it appeals to simple minds. Actual reality is complicated and demands complicated solutions.

>>88640019
Robots only accept the finest AA batteries.

>>88640026
Nobody owes you shit.

>>88640026
you're guaranteed the pursuit of happiness not happiness itself just for existing

if don't want to work then you don't have to, but living a shitty life as hobo is a conscience choice you made.

>>88639845
Either get a better job or stop living above your means.

>>88640094
>but living a shitty life as hobo is a conscience choice you made.

You must be 18+ to post here.

>>88635529
As in communist? That's not necessarily the message in this comic.

>>88640188
Nobody owes you shit.

>>88640094
Do you feel that 100% employability is possible all the time? What about with increasing automation and less *need* to work? To what extent should the government be responsible for that?

>>88640202
No, really, you must be 18+ to work here.

>>88640215
There are always jobs out there, just because you don't want to work those jobs doesn't mean they are not available.

>>88640226
I don't work at 4chan, I prefer to get paid.

>>What about with increasing automation and less *need* to work? To what extent should the government be responsible for that?

That's Mega City 1

>>88640215
The government is not responsible for your life choices, you are.

>>88640215
we are nowhere near a major job deficit due to robots
thats why western europe is bringing in refugees because they have a labor shortage due to the population not breeding at a replacement rate.

And this should be mandatory in 4chan

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109508/

The whole family is completely fucked up

>>88640215
Don't bother, anon. >>88640094 most likely uses government services out the wazoo without even realizing it, but he still feels the urge to bitch about government should stay out of our daily lives.

>>88640235
>>88640265
>>88640268
I'm just curious on your positions here, thanks.

>>88640235
tell me you'll still believe that when you're older and can't keep up with the changing job market

>>88640333
Unlike you, I don't need to find every excuse I can not to work. I'm sure your parents are getting sick of your shit too.

>>88640268
>we are nowhere near a major job deficit due to robots

Even just permanently losing all the jobs in transportation due to self-driving cars would put us near Great Depression levels of unemployment.

>>88640375
Nobody is going to trust self driving cars for at least 100 years

>>88640386
Oh come the fuck on. You KNOW that's bullshit.

>>88640026
>>88639675
>>88635026
>muh women and children

You guys are fucking retarded

>>88635529
He's just plain retarded

>>88640375
Well this wont happen for another twenty years. But you are still right. We are not able to produce most things cheap or small enough without robots. And they get more and more independent every day.

>>88640396
You underestimate human nature.

>>88635108
>>88635071
Except that welfare-types aren't included in original marxism, that's something that bleeding heart marxists like this guy shoehorned in later

Under this guy's idea of marxism gypsies would apparently be the glorious working class

>>88640401
Thanks, edgelord, let us know how that Linkin Park mixtape comes out.

>>88640406
Try fifty years

In any case the USA is about to deport a lot of people and shrink immigration levels, which will also result in birthrates declining as fewer children are born to immigrants (because if the immigrants aren't let in in the first place they can't have their kids here)

In the long term there will be fewer jobs, but there will also no longer be an infinitely expanding population. Japan is right where they need to be on this issue.

>>88640409
No, I don't. The fuck are you actually thinking here, dude? That's like saying people wouldn't trust a sony fucking walkman for 100 years.

Self-driving cars are going to offer enormous benefits to businesses and individual consumers and they are going to be marketed by the automotive industry, which is huge and profitable and has massive branding. It is not going to take 100 years for truckers to lose jobs because of self-driving vehicles.

100 years is 2116. Can you honestly say you think your assumption is accurate? Think of 1996. Think of 1976. I'm not even the guy you were arguing with initially, but that 100 years estimate is a blatantly stupid comment that you might get credit for making in a high school social studies, but which will be instantly shat on by anyone with a brain.

>>88640094
Being on welfare gives you a shitty life at the poverty line, not free happiness.

>>88640455
Walkmans won't kill you and your family if they malfunction

>>88640371
You make some pretty wild assumptions there, mate. Do you think you can attempt to prove your point without ad hominem attacks?

>>88640371
nice try, I'm a software engineer living on my own

my parents are dead btw

>>88640452
>I'm stupid therefore you're edgy

Thanks for sharing

>>88640455
Self-driving cars as they exist are utter shit, it will be fifty years at least before they're mass produced and able to outcompete humans without requiring special roads for non-human manned vehicles to ensure no one gets killed

>>88640476
My uncle is a software engineer too, he works for nintendo.

>>88640474
The vocal 'ban these cars because fear' segment out there will be a tiny portion of the overall talk and marketing around self-driving vehicles.

We trust machines that could kill us for everything every day. Your actual not self-driving car could malfunction and kill you and your family. Beyond that we as a world already do intentionally choose risks that can and do kill people in the world for economic and efficiency benefits. Your outlook here is idiotic and unrealistic, and covers a scale of time you have given no serious consideration to.

>>88640455
do you know how big a 6 wheeler is? it'll be ages until we trust robots enough to autopilot them, just one simple mistake and you can cause a massacre in the highway.
I highly doubt 6 wheelers will ever be fully unmanned, even if it could control itself they would still require a driver at the wheel to take control in case of emergencies.

>>88640509
Nice try Skynet

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I'm just glad that Crumb finally saw the truth and changed his ways.

>>88640509
>DUDE JUST TRUST THE CARS LMAO

No one is going to let those things on the road until they've been thoroughly tested you fucking retard, if you think the average American is just going to leave their life up to the assurances of idiots like you you're mistaken. Death on the road is already a major cause of death in America, there isn't any way people are going to let things like hit and runs become even more common because the on board computer reasoned something idiotic like "beep if I stop suddenly to avoid hitting this kid in the street then five cars behind me will hit me potentially causing more deaths boop" and then the company will get the shit sued out of it and it will be just another out of thousands of stories of the primitive computer intelligence of these cars fucking things up.

At the very least you're going to have on board human drivers monitoring the vehicle as insurance for the first decade or more and at that point what is the point of self-driving cars?

In all reasonable likelihood it will be decades before they are sophisticated enough and common enough that people see nothing wrong with letting them dominate the roads, and it's possible by then the main method of transportation will be by train as gentrification causes Americans to become a more heavily urbanized population while the roads become dominated by trucks driving freight across the country.

>>88640549
>the on board computer reasoned something idiotic like "beep if I stop suddenly to avoid hitting this kid in the street then five cars behind me will hit me potentially causing more deaths boop"

Unless the other cars are human-operated this wouldn't happen as robocars can talk to each other near-instantly and greatly exceed human reaction times.

They'd already be programmed to have the legally-mandated buffer zone that most human drivers forget to maintain so they can not only brake more quickly but they won't be riding each other's asses in the first place.

>>88640560
We've already established you have an autistic belief in the wonders of technology and thus why we need Universal Basic Income, but the reality is that every accident caused by these cars will be met with a litany of hatred from all angles.

>>88639565
You know that's a line directly from the Soviet constitution, right? Go back to Stalingrad, commie.

>>88640619
I'm not even the same guy.

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>>88640463

>getting all the food and shelter you want
>for F R E E
>not being happy

>>88640429
Wow, so I guess those bleeding heart liberals aren't marxists after all, huh. It's almost as if that was a slur used by the right to defame their opponents who wanted the government to work for all its citizens instead of just the GOP paymasters. I think you cracked the case, man!

>>88640493
>works for japs in software

that poor mutherfucker

>>88640652
Except you the part where there are actual socialists in the Democratic party and have been for decades, and the only reason why Sanders is once again an independent is because he prefers to be openly socialist

>>88640681
Marxists =/= socialists
Socialists is as vague a term as leftists or rightists.

Self drive cars will kill you and your family.

Because human drove cars have never done that in large numbers...

>>88640702
*driven (correction)

>>88640694
All Marxists are socialists but not all socialists are Marxists

>>88640523
Machines don't make mistakes. They're designs can fail to account for an unforeseen problem, but they don't drive drunk, they don't fall asleep at the wheel, and they don't turn without checking their blindspots. There are almost half a million truck accidents reported each year. The self driving cars don't have to be perfect, they just have to clear that low bar.

>>88640694
Perhaps, but most people who associate with socialism also have quasi-marxist tendencies and sympathize with marxism

>>88640702
>why are you so afraid if terrorists kill your family when we already have serial killers who could kill your family?

>>88640549
>Death on the road is already a major cause of death in America
Yeah, because humans are driving.

>>88640736
The problem is the people making/programming the machines make mistakes. The first wave of ANY technology is always fucking terrible and prone to problems, especially something lik this where it will be almost impossible to program every possibility or predict the kind of flaws that will emerge

>>88640681
Okay, Joe McCarthy, you wanna show me your list of communist subversives or is this just something you read on a right wing conspiracy blog?

>>88640681
So are the democrats selling out the workers by letting corporations cut costs and send all the jobs overseas or are they closet socialists who are plotting to overthrow out capitalist way of life?

>>88640758
especially your mom

>>88640763
You're not really familiar with how products are rolled out when there's serious questions about public health, are you? It's not a fucking iPhone. Everyone is aware of the risks and the companies will be 100% sure those risks will not be reflected in the initial launch.

>>88640829
doesn't matter, the first generation is always going to suck, and you say that like dangerous products having been rolled out too early in the name of making profit

>>88640736
>Machines don't make mistakes
oh please, machines malfunction all the time

your dream of driverless transport trucks will never happen. planes have auto pilot but we still have pilots in the cockpit even though we could make a passenger plane fully autonomous and pilot free. why? because when you're dealing with a large amount of human lives you have to have a human overseeing to it take control in case the machine malfunctions. nobody is going to entrusts lots of lives solely in the hands of machines, it will never happen.

>>88635005
Test

Sure is comics and cartoons in here.

>>88640829
And yet you're still insisting this is "only a few years away"

You don't get it at all

>>88640799
80 years ago they were a nascent socialist party and America in general was receptive socialism, since the 1990s socialism has basically been forced underground or otherwise destroyed among the democrats and replaced with a cheap "we can give stuff to these poor people to get them to vote for us while still giving kickbacks to our rich friends"

>>88640829
maybe in world without government regulation agencies
any emerging technology will have to pass the government inspection and standards, you can't just shove any invention straight into the market.

>>88640846
> nobody is going to entrusts lots of lives solely in the hands of machines, it will never happen.
what about Germany?

>>88640846
>but we still have pilots in the cockpit even though we could make a passenger plane fully autonomous and pilot free. why?

Because it's way more expensive than a self-driving ground vehicle and not cost-effective yet. Only the military can afford it for now.

Drones have to be able to make corrections constantly for things like wind and air pressure that just aren't a problem for ground vehicles.

>>88640776
How is it not common knowledge by now that documents released by Russia after the USSR's fall proved that McCarthy wasn't full of shit?

>>88640866

Germans aren't machines anon. They're just a bit on the dry side.

>>88640891
No but merkel is.

>>88640899

Merkle isn't a machine. She's a monster.

>>88640889
Rule zero of politics: Just because a politician is aware of a problem doesn't mean he's able to solve it.

McCarthy was like any other pol. He just wanted to be seen as "doing something about it" and didn't really care if it worked.

>>88640841
Not when the risks are obvious from the get-go. Phones catch fire and hoverboards explode, but when have you ever heard of a robotic surgeon maiming someone? Never? Because that's a serious and predictable failure mode and was corrected for in the prototype.

>>88640846
Machines malfunction but they do not make mistakes. Mistakes are something only humans make, and we make them a lot. Perfection is the goal, but doing significantly better than humans will suffice in the mean time, and is very close to being achieved.

Also, autopilots in planes are not designed to replace human pilots yet. There are vastly more things that can go wrong in the air than on the road.

>>88640885
drones are used for war and carry no passengers. the reason they are used in the first place is because they carry no risk to human life (except for the people being bombed of course) the drone doesn't carry any passengers or pilots life in its hands. and even then they are still operated by humans and not autonomous

>>88640865
Golly, it sure is a good thing people like you didn't just vote for a guy who wants to severely reduce government regulation on businesses, you'd sure have egg on your face if that were true!

>>88640953
>and even then they are still operated by humans and not autonomous

They're capable of flying on their own perfectly well. They have human operators because they're used for recon and the people want to be able to see what the robot sees.

But none of the shit that makes drones so expensive are necessary when you just want to slap a robot driver inside a truck.

>>88640950
It's funny that you insist on being autistic

"no guys I swear all those truckers are going to be replaced before 2030 you'll see muh machines"

It's like a guy in the 1970s swearing that cellphones would become widespread in a decade

>>88640950
yes machines malfunction and make mistakes
there are millions of factory error products that come off machine assembly lines each year.

>>88640956
>reducing unnecessary regulations on business means doing away with literally every regulation and allowing farmers to claim white paint is milk and face few legal repercussions

So you believe that Libertarians now have their guy in government then?

>>88640980
>2030
Dude. He said 2116.

>>88640863
>And yet you're still insisting this is "only a few years away"
You'd have a point if they were still in the concept and theory stage of development, but they're not. This may be news to you, but we have functioning self driving cars now, they're just not significantly better than humans yet.
>>88640865
Uh, yeah, no shit. You think that process takes a century?

>>88640455
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>>88640736
>>88640829
Fucking retard, entire lines of cars are still rolled out with often lethal flaws. Planes took decades to iron out most unforeseen dangers. These are manual vehicles full of manual emergency measures. And beyond that, you think our primitive AI is ready to process a high-speed, close-proximity, varying environment of metal deathtraps piloted by unpredictable organic minds, where any lone anomaly results in innocent dead? Teenagers are retarded.

>>88641001
It is irrelevant what the other guy said exactly, since his intent about it being decades before 16 wheelers are just going to be allowed to drive themselves to their destination is correct

>>88640980
>"no guys I swear all those truckers are going to be replaced before 2030 you'll see muh machines"
I never said anything like that. You realize you're debating several people right? There might be self driving trucks with a person on board to act as an overseer, at significantly lower pay than an actual driver, by 2030, but by 2050 we may have started seeing legislation banning human drivers. You have no idea how quickly this technology is advancing.

>It's like a guy in the 1970s swearing that cellphones would become widespread in a decade
Wouldn't be too far off, actually.

>>88641003
I still have a point you raging autist, since self-driving cars are fucking useless for casual drivers anyway and most people aren't going to sell their car off to have your google cars and the main concern is that trucks on the road will end up killing people because your computer-trucks can't hack it

It will be fucking decades before they are in widespread use, after every possible threat is dealt with and opposition to self-driving trucks from politicians and society has declined

Why the fuck do you think nuclear power didn't become our main source of power like other science autists like Asimov believed it would? Because even though something like 5 mile island or chernobyl is basically impossible today the stigma remains. It isn't just a matter of "oh but they'll work out all forseeable bugs before they get their fleet of trucks on the road in 2025!" because the minute something unforseeable comes along and you end up with dead people you're going to end up with multiple corners of society screaming about how these things need more time in the factory before they can be allowed on the road again.

>>88640978
drone pilots set up flight paths and put them on autopilots as they go their destination but the actually bombing and other intricate operations are done by humans. drones are under constant supervision. they are flying death machines for god sakes.
you will never have big rigs driving themselves without human supervision, it is too much of a safety hazard to ever happen.

>>88640863
>80 years ago they were a nascent socialist party and America in general was receptive socialism, since the 1990s socialism has basically been forced underground or otherwise destroyed among the democrats and replaced with a cheap "we can give stuff to these poor people to get them to vote for us while still giving kickbacks to our rich friends"
The socialist party in America 80 years ago was the fucking Socialist Party of America, you ninny.

>>88641056
You're also debating several people

>by 2030

Like I said your autism is astounding, it's fucking irrelevant how quickly technology that can kill people is advancing. Western nations do not function on a basis of "well only a few people were killed so clearly letting these things drive free is fine". That has never been the case and you are some kind of amazing autist to think otherwise.

>>88641095
So why didn't they get elected in 1932 then?

>>88641056
>by 2050 we may have started seeing legislation banning human drivers.
only in your imagination
something minor like a tiny pothole that could have easily been dodged by a human driver or just slowed down as you go over can fuck up an AIs pathing and cause a 15 car pile up.
explain how automatic cars are gonna predict ice on the road?
how is your AI going to interpret a construction worker or police officer's traffic hand signals?

you under estimate how many variables they are for self driving cars.

first off we would need to redesign all our roads and infrastructure to accommodate self driving cars, something that won't happen any where near 2050

>>88640454
Japan has negative population growth. If nothing changes Japan will be facing extinction within the century, and it is their ultra conservative, xenophobic culture that is to blame.

>>88641099
>Like I said your autism is astounding, it's fucking irrelevant how quickly technology that can kill people is advancing. Western nations do not function on a basis of "well only a few people were killed so clearly letting these things drive free is fine". That has never been the case and you are some kind of amazing autist to think otherwise.
Okay, so you are clearly out of touch with reality. Consider the standard non-autonomous car. Standard automobiles are a technology that is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths each year. And yet---oh look---standard automobiles are legal! It's almost as if governments take the economic, social, and infrastructural benefits and weigh them against public safety concerns and aren't swayed by moronic luddites like you!

>>88641071
>Why the fuck do you think nuclear power didn't become our main source of power like other science autists like Asimov believed it would?
Nuclear power is not as clean nor as efficient nor as safe as some memes you may have seen suggest. Even then, it took, not one, not two, but several real world disasters to turn people against it. Those power plants were built and subsequently melted down BECAUSE people weren't afraid of the potential disasters this new technology could unleash. So you basically disproved whatever asinine point you were trying to make.

>>88641136
Same reason the Libertarian party never wins.

>>88641247
>Nuclear power is not as clean nor as efficient nor as safe as some of the memes you may have seen suggest.

I wouldn't call multi-decade longitudinal studies from UNSCEAR and multiple academic sources "memes", but hey what do I know.

>>88641071
You are overlooking the fact that human-driven cars operating normally kill millions of people every year purely due to human error, so even if you could name a bunch of scenarios where a self-driving car would screw up it still would cause far less damage overall than human-driven cars. Plus no-one is asking people to trade in their existing cars to buy a self-driving one, they'll most likely be deployed on a pay-per-ride model like Uber only much cheaper, so in fact it would be even more attractive to casual drivers as opposed to dedicated gearheads.

>>88641151
>Self driving cars will never be able to predict common traffic obstacles! Tesla stock BTFO!
Oh, gee, if only these companies had people who were working to solve these design hurtles right this very moment. Like some kind of "engineers" or something. Or maybe they could hire you to tell them these obvious problems and throw up your hands and say "If God wanted man to fly, he would have given him wings! Stop wasting your money!" But seriously, I can think of half a dozen ways of solving the iced road problems off the top of my head.

>>88641298
> but hey what do I know.
Not much, but I'm getting sick of this /pol/ tier argument without it going nuclear.

And yes, that's a bad pun. Fuck you all.

>>88641247
that point is utterly retarded because the government does take steps to minimize accidents by making safety laws like seatbelts, traffic signs, prohibiton of driving under the influence, and speed limits
the majority of accidents are caused by people ignoring traffic laws

and yes there are accidents caused by human negligence but there are also accidents avoided due to human observance, a statistic that is unmeasurable but its fair too assume that since the vast majority of drivers drive accident free every year that plenty of humans are doing just fine at avoiding accidents. human observance saves lives every year, a trait machines lack leaving them vulnerable to accidents.

>>88640647
LUCKY DUCKYYYYYYYYYYY!!! GRRR!

>>88640889
Because hindsight has shown that beyond the infiltration his ostracization of homos in DC explained as "fags are easier to blackmail because of their shameful butt lust" set sexual liberalism in America back decades.
>in b4 hurr durr degenerates
If being a faggot weren't so stigmatized Tumblr wouldn't be nearly as screechingly annoying

>>88641247
>Those power plants were built and subsequently melted down BECAUSE people weren't afraid of the potential disasters this new technology could unleash.

They melted down because people are fucking retarded and would rather save a buck than ensure that a catastrophe doesn't occur.

>>88641334
just because tesla is working on the problems doesn't mean they will be able to solve them at all. mankind has worked tirelessly and wasted tons of money on impractical inventions to no avail, like jetpacks or hover boards. just because you throw money and a research team at a problem doesn't mean you're guaranteed a solution at all.
you can't just ignore all the blatant flaws of the inventions with just
>hurr they'll figure out a way around it eventually.

>>88641418
>They melted down because people are fucking retarded and would rather save a buck than ensure that a catastrophe doesn't occur.
And you don't think that Big Business are gonna lobby hard as balls to get self-driving cars approved thru Congress as soon as they figure out computers can't form unions?

>>88641475
are government is not that corrupt and we have safety standards. you're acting like america is china where anything is approved as long it will save a few dimes.
they can lobby all they want but self driving cars will have to meet the federal motor vehicle safety standards.

>>88641588
"Safety standards" are just big government regulations meant to punish businesses for being successful. They're going to be the second thing to go, after the Mexicans.

>>88641603
can you show me the magic wand trump owns that allows him to do whatever the fuck he wants with no regulations?

>>88641588
>government is not that corrupt
It was that corrupt BEFORE Trump.

>>88641641
Control of the government and primarily kleptocratic interests? Remember: he's not deadlocked in the legislature.

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>stealth /pol/ thread

mmmmmmfuhrer

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>>88641588
>are government is not that corrupt

>>88641725
>I get angry if people aren't me, they must be paul!
One day, maybe you'll realize how autistic and intolerant you sound every time you post this shit

>>88641859
>thread is about politics
>anon correctly calls it /pol/
>flip out, apparently saying it's not about politics?

>>88641881
>correctly
No, you waited until you didn't like the subect and got angry to throw a tantrum and call people nazis.

>>88641151
>something minor like a tiny pothole that could have easily been dodged by a human driver or just slowed down as you go over can fuck up an AIs pathing and cause a 15 car pile up.

You shouldn't accuse your opponent of dreaming when you seriously expect common road obstacles being impossible for a computer to deal with in the coming decades.

>>88641157
japans issue isn't "muh xenophobia" how is brining in foreigners going to help actual japanese populations? Their issue is societal pressures and shit.

>>88641897
I'm not the anon who posted that. But /pol/ doesn't just mean nazis. The board title stands for politics.

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>>88641859
>>88641897

> [ t r i g g e r e d ]

It's a joke, autismo

The thread is nothing but a derail full of political shitposting, which /pol/ is infamous for. Also they have tons of wacky nazis.

>>88641959
>in the coming decades.
you can't assume these issues will just magically be resolved by time

>>88642032
TIME
IS
A
FLAT
CIRCLE

>>88635026
> TFW welfare literally pays women to have children therefore the economic incentive is to be a single women with children

Haha. OOPS.

>>88640889
Because McCarthy was full of shit.

I wish welfare, affirmative action etc worked as well as people pretend they do.

>>88642173
You can thank the Republicans for that.

>>88642201

I know. I'm just saying. Affirmative action doesn't mean shit if there's no jobs and school is still too fucking expensive. Welfare is a trap for most people. They help but then you get a job and they cut the benefits you get based on how much you make so you never actually advance and move up. You're literally stuck in the same place because you're still getting the same amount of money.

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>>88642044
and you can't extrapolate future technologies by the current technological trends
this is how people of the past predicted the future to look like based on their current breakthrough in aviation

>>88640523
>it'll be ages until we trust robots enough to autopilot them


Here in Iowa we already have automatic big rigs driving around delivering thing to and from farms and local markets.

>>88642237
It's a lot better to live at the bottom now than it has been at many times in history, but the fundamental dynamics of social control don't really change.

>>88642398
>It's a lot better to live at the bottom now than it has been at many times in history

It is but it's not because being poor has somehow gotten better. Also welfare is not the free pass people think it is. I don't know about anywhere else but in NYC there's this thing called the Work Experience Program. They say it's get you "valuable job experience" but it's really just them making you do manual labor jobs (sweeping streets, cleaning train station platforms etc) in exchange for the benefits you get. I did it for a year, got the experience and I still can't find work.

But I digress.

>>88642306
WHERE IS MY FUCKING FLYING CAR!?

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>>88642519
Oh no, they make you work for free money? How horrible!

>>88645175
Wouldn't that put professional street-sweepers, etc, out of work? So they can pay unemployed people less?

> post a five page crumb comics as an excuse for a /pol/ thread

please ban OP for a month.

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>>88635187
>Crumb
>cross-hatcing

There's no cross-hatching in OP's comic at all. Just hatching. Pic related, Druuna, is a phenomenal example of cross-hatching.

>>88640647
It says "GOTCHA" on the bottom of the coffin.

>>88640268
>because they have a labor shortage
No we don't.

In 2012 the UK let in hundreds of thousands of migrants even though it had something like 2.5 million unemployed to 750k job openings, with 1.5m of those unemployed on welfare.

that's only unemployed looking for work - not counting the disabled, elderly, students, etc.

they're let in for two reasons and one fatit-acompli:
1. structurally, it's cheaper than training unemployed british people for certain jobs
2. these new people can take on more debt, making them economically attractive to lenders, meanwhile the rest are debt-saturated.
and
1. EU freedom of movement. (though this doesn't excuse non-EU migration.)

>>88640386
I know, right? I still don't trust regular cars.

>>88640636
It's not though. Soviet constitution was very humane and guaranteed democratic government.

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>an actual politiical discussion that doesn't result in memes
>on /co/ not /pol/

This website is wonderful

>>88641973
How bad is Japan's societal pressures that they won't allow immigrants to move into the country? From the perspective of an outsider, it seems like they're being too stubborn to admit that the world is changing, which is the bad mentality for a nation to take.

>>88649375
Japan has TWICE the population they had in 1940
when they conquered most of Asia.

They don't need immigrants. They just need the population to drop back to the pre-WWII levels, and there will be work and consumer goods for everyone.

It's the same reason the US, Europe, Africa, and western Asia don't need immigrants either.

>>88649375
>From the perspective of an outsider, it seems like they're being too stubborn to admit that the world is changing, which is the bad mentality for a nation to take.
Yes.

Japan has never done this before.

;^)

>>88649868
That's a weird position. The whole world has more than twice the population it had in 1940, and the geopolitical and economic situation in Asia is entirely different. Also the notion of short-term war-based economy being permanent, good, the measure of success, etc.

>>88649868
>They just need the population to drop back to the pre-WWII levels
Isn't that slowly happening anyway with less people getting married and having kids?

>>88640752
Hardly anybody accepts serial killers, you retard.

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The comic has a fair point. But god damn I hate the American concept of what a liberal is. Or what a "socialist" is. Or what a "communist" is. Or a "Nanny State". Or "freedom". I could go on but my pettiness has a character limit. I don't expect the broad majority of people to use words in a meaningful way, don't get me wrong. And every culture has it's ideological blind spots, this is not an American thing. It's not like you people are stupider on average. But goddamn a little more nuanced argumentation and thinking even in arguments that have no intent to be intellectually demanding would be nice.

>>88651373
That's his point.