Civil War II #8 Full Preview

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Michael Cho variant

>>88600394
He reconstructed himself?

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Phil Noto variant

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John Cassaday variant


FIN

>>88600394
wtf is capt. america doing

someone just leak the final issue already
I need to be FREE of this wretched event

>>88600411
suits probably just nanites that form to look like a suit.

>>88600394
Holy fuck capt america is killing me fucking kek

>>88600435

Looks like Iron Tony missed Carl and blew up Cap by accident

>>88600382
YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>88600394
So even after all that bullshit about Ulyses' visions not being 100% right, they still gonna' have Cap end up in that same goddamn pose they keep throwing around in four other comics, just to make it seem like Carol was in the right?

Fuck this comic.

>>88600355

>Marvel's Summer 2017 event

so fucking happy i don't read floppies anymore

>>88600394
The old razzle dazzle.

>>88600382

I'm getting the feeling Tony is doing the least efficient thing by just spamming energy attacks at her.

I mean, I'm sure he could pull of some kind of sciency bullshit to beat her, but here he is charging straight ahead like a retard.

>>88600394

>that bottom panel

That pose just looks hilarious.

>>88600394
>>88600382
weren't these two pages in issue 7

Is it time for death yet?

>>88601044
That comes later

>>88601011
>he could pull of some kind of sciency bullshit to beat her

Wouldn't that require good writing though? At least better writing than "MORE DAKKA WAAAGH!"

>>88600382
Why were they fighting again?

>>88601087

But dude look at the size of that armor,, Tony is da biggezt and da strongezt.

It's absolutely hilarious to me that this entire comic is built around the conflict of two former alcoholics and drinking buddies, and absolutely no one calls attention to that!

YOU'RE IN A GIANT BAR FIGHT YOU NUMPTIES! DON'T JUST FOLLOW THEM AROUND!

>>88601011
He's actually firing ROCKETS at her, not energy blasts. See, if he fired energy at her, she'd absorb it, and Bendis has frequently demonstrated that he remembers she's an energy sponge.

>>88601099

Because Captain Marvel was wrong

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>>88600394

>>88601099

Carol wants to arrest people before they commit crimes because she saw a psychic vision of the future via inhuman were they're allegedly doing something wrong. Tony wants to stop her from doing that. According to Miles "One Tap Zap" Morales, this fight was over him because they saw a vision of him killing Cap.

>>88601200
I know some people won't get the joke you're making Anon, but I want you to know that I do, and I love it.

>>88601176
When rockets explode that's energy going everywhere. Even a punch is kinetic energy. Fuck Bendis

So if Cap is getting blasted and killed and all. Could we star the "CAP IS COMING BACK TO EARTH" thing again? Oh, by the way you're all fucked when the Hulk gets back.

>>88601172
Underrated post!

>>88600426
Doom?

>>88601200
Nice

>>88600394

He's not even wearing his Iron Man suit. The poor bastard is going to die in War Machine's hand-me-down.

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>>88601200

>>88601233
cap aint dying thanks to marvels poor scheduling everyone present at the fight is alive and well in there own series except iron slush

>>88600956
Marvel's Summer 2017 event is all but confirmed to be Hydra War which has a good chance of being decent.

At the very least, there's no way it'll be as much of a fucking trainwreck as Civil War II. There hasn't been an event that's done as much damage while also being as irredeemably bad as CWII since Secret Wars II. Like, Ultimatum and Age of Ultron were worse comics, but their damage was contained. Ultimatum only affected the Ultimate Universe and AoU was practically non-canon.

Actually, it's probably pretty safe to say that Civil War II is to Secret Wars (2015) as Secret Wars II was to Marvel Superheroes Secret Wars.

>>88601217
If it's not a beam, then it's not energy as far as Bendis is concerned. And, for that matter, as far as comic book science is concerned more often than not.

>>88600411
His new armor has regenerative properties. Which isn't new considering so did the Superior Armor and Bleeding Edge. It'd be weird if he made a suit that couldn't regenerate/reconstruct at this point.

>>88600355
>for the fate of the Marvel Universe!
So fucking sick of Marvel's hyperbole.

>>88600394
>>88601200
Cap in last panel be like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUL5w91dzbo

>>88600919
Even if they do, the context would be different. In Ulysses' vision, it was Miles outright killing him because LOL HYDRA (but no one knew the Hydra bit). This time, it'd be Tony accidentally shooting some missiles at him which won't kill him, probably just hurt him pretty bad.

>>88601200
10/10

>>88601367
Nah, the way its reconstructing shows that it's derivative of his current suit. This is just a Marvelbuster he cooked up to take Carol down. Which, given the fact that his ____busters NEVER work, was immediate proof that he'd lose the fight.

He just used Rhodey's colors to fuck with Carol.

>>88601172
>absolutely no one calls attention to that!
Bendis himself called attention to it in his Invicible Iron Man tie-in.

>>88600394
>MOM HOLY FUCK

>>88601514
Ah, so it's another non-event then? Who am I kidding, it's one of the big two, they're all non-events.

>>88601668
And what exactly are the beams? Lazers? Fire?

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Yasss, It'll all be over soon

This shit's still going on?

when will be the full issue out?

>>88600394
Shouldn't Rogers at least hold the shield up toward the explosion, his body flailing like that is hilarious but rather distracting given this is supposed to be serious.

>>88601921
Energy

>>88601921
>>88602105
To be specific, they're "Pure" Energy.

>>88602029
Wednesday

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What happened to this woman?
She was a terrorist or what?

>>88602136
Why did you spoonfeed him? The answer is in the op.

>>88602144
nightcrawler teleported her to his sex cave

>>88602144
No she wasn't. But she hired Spot and Jessica Jones to dig up dirt on any and all superpowered people. Even though some of them went to war to rescue her.
Fuck Bendis. Only he can write a dozen of copied self-fulfilling prophecy plots in a row and somehow sell them as an event.

>>88602144
She wasn't then, but she might become one now. She recently appeared in Jessica Jones and now hates all superheroes.

>>88602115
I wish cape writers could at least pass like grade 11

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the fucking tie-ins already spoilered the outcome of CWII, not that it matters but and interesting plot twist or reveal would bringg this shitty comic with excellent art to a mediocre comic with excellent art

trolling aside, what would you guys change, add, or remove from CWII? how would you make it insteresting?

I know the first step would be remove bendis, but what else?

You have 30 seconds to tell me one good thing about Civil War II

Protip: You can't

>>88602367
the art and colouring

>>88602366
I would remove Bend-

FUCK

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>>88602366
Not doing what is written in the Bingo Chart seems like a good start

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>>88600355
>>88600394
People will actually pay money to read this shit?

Yikes, makes me feel bad for the Marvel fans.

>>88602259
But everyone hates superheroes in 616-8.

>>88602451
Wanda got shit on in issue one and feel like these things need a "writer catastrophically fails at middle school science" square in the future

>>88600394
I remember reading somewhere, that during the writing of 52, the writers spent a shitload of time reconstructing the scene where Booster fakes his death so that it wouldn't come across as unintentionally hilarious.

Clearly the artist needed to try doing the same thing with a variety of poses here.

>>88602366
Never ever do prophecy/time travel-ish stories. They always create wonky paradoxes and stupid explanations. The whole CWII cash-grab thing was stupid to begin with.

>>88602451
Jesus Christ Bendis

>>88602470
What marvel fans?
we the marvel battered wives are the only ones left.

>>88602451
they missed a clear one
>books due after the event ends are released before the last issue.

Shouldnt we summon Scanbro already?

>>88602501
But she hates them WITH REASON

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>>88602645
*Summons Scanbro*

>>88600382
FINAL FLASH !!!!

>>88600394
>My only regret is that I have boneitis!

>>88602536
That would have to be a free space in the middle

>>88600394
Captain America survives and excel in the middle of battles against Thanos, Kang, Beyonder and every kind of omnipotent beings...some of them including Iron Man and Miss Marvel and now dies like a bitch in the middle of a battle between Iron Man and Miss Marvel?

>>88602948
Must be another Thanos buster missile or whatever it was.

>>88601200
...this is just right.

>>88602645
Not until Monday.

>>88602695
And sounds like a psychopath. It's easy to see why she accidentally managed to false flag ulysses.

Wait, are Ulysses' predictions preventable or are they all definite, like Thoth?

Fucking hell,I couldn't handle that last panel of Cap going full WB dancing frog. Why would anyone greenlight that final artwork? Are the editors just fucking with people now?

Excuse me while I bandage my sides.

>>88600394
All of the newfound in-universe love for Carol makes sense now.
She baned the fucker that shot Captain America on the footsteps of the Lincoln Memorial.
THat's gotta be worth a ton of popularity points.

>>88600355
Marvel is a parody of itself at this point

If I copy pasted this solicit and time traveled back to 2010, no one would believe it was genuine

>>88603253
Preventable as with the first big invasion thing that started the whole mess and Hulk and self fulfilling as with old man Logan and shit.

>>88603273
>editors
I wish

>>88603288
So they're unreliable and inconsistent?

>>88603349
Yes, it's part of Captain Hydra's plan to make the superheroes tear each other apart, yes Civil War 2 is really the subplot of Steve Rogers story apparently.

>>88603253
Preventable but it's looking like the harder Ulysses is pushed to make these up on demand the easier it is to make self fulfilling ones.

>>88601200
Wonderful

>>88603017
>Bendis legitimately handwaved away the questioning of one of War Machine's missiles nearly killing shulk by saying he had super special Thanos-tier missiles the whole time
Someone needs to make a list of all of Bendis' retardation. Something to show normie who claim he's Marvel's best writer or something like that.

>>88603349
They're extremely consistent. The problem is that if he has nothing normal to predict and his powers get forced his powers get self fulfilling. It's a million times more accurate than anything we have in RL or in comics that doesn't involve a prophetic powerset and as long as you wait for the person to start committing the crime you don't really have a moral quandry.

>>88603017
Wouldn't a Thanos Buster missile (or 40) cost more than Tony joked he'd charge for upgrading the suit?

>>88603932
normies have no idea who Bendis is, m8

>>88603253
They're not Thoth level. Thoth was, essentially, literally useless. It's predictions were 100% accurate, and what it said would happen would happen regardless of whether people read Thoth or not, regardless of whether people actively tried to circumvent it or alternatively if people actively tried to make it come true.

Jotaro's head explodes in both parts 4 and 6, 100% accurate!

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/12/21/will-the-final-issue-of-civil-war-ii-8-have-the-greatest-tease-of-all-massive-honking-spoilers/

Tony Stark isn’t dead, he’s just been put into a self-induced coma by his high-tech body trying to repair himself. But most people don’t know this, most people just think he’s dead.
pic in link showing the "foreshadowing"

Ulysses, whose powers have seen to be increasing becomes a cosmic being. I don’t know if that could tie in with recent plot twists in today’s Ultimates2 but it should.
Captain Marvel gets praised by the public – and the President – but the reader should still have doubts.
And She-Hulk is suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, which drives the new Hulk series. Expect a rather depressing comic while Totally Awesome Hulk gets to have the fun.

But back to that moment from Civil War II #8.

As Ulysses unleashes a slew of full page and doublepage visions of possible marvel futures to hype possible future events and storylines.
And that is what all those guest artists will be showcasing. Esad Ribic, Leinil Yu, Adam Kubert, Alan Davis, Mark Bagley, Marco Rudy and Daniel Acuna.
It’s the equivalent of Bendis’ big blackboard but more… cosmic. Could Alan Davis show Guardians Of The Galaxy? Could Mark Bagley show Scarlet Spider? The return of Wolverine? The road of Resurrxion? How about the return of the Fantastic Four?

what say you /co/
We know the She Hulk one is true going off of her new book

>>88600382
>>88600394

Wasn't the first civil war fought to prevent shit like this? The irony!

>>88602231
>There are some good cops...

Once you get fucked by the system, you aren't going to depend on it to unfuck itself. Some heroes kinda fought each other for about five minutes and afterwards Carol gets to keep her flying Guantanamo. She gets to keep her super friends and her fanclubs and pays exactly nothing for the shit she pulled.

If the heroes won't, why should she wait around for them to unfuck themselves? Why should she trust any of them to put in the effort?

>>88600435
The Charleston

>>88602451
>One side is comically evil while the other is comically good.

Might want to uncheck that one. Both sides are comically evil.

>>88602548
I remember that he was originally planned to be bisected instead of a skeleman.

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>>88602948

This was Bendis' idea of a joke. In retrospect I think this was a warning that he didn't really understand how the characters worked.

>>88604206
Bendis was gonna spoil Clone Conspiracy in a book that had nothing to do with it?
What a dick. I mean, we all saw the twist coming, but still.

>>88605160
>Galactus
>super villain

>>88600849
QUEEEEEEEEEEEN

>>88601200
I understood that reference

>>88604206
Reminder that the reason Civil War II has a #8 is because Bendis said he had an idea for a better ending.

Assuming this is true.

>>88605749
Now I wonder what the original ending was intended to be.

>>88605845
someone has to ask Humphries

>>88602366
not only remove Bendis, remove everything. don't do the event. no one wanted it, no one likes it, it's fucking with other writer's work, don't do it at all.

>>88602144

>I'm going to hold you here indefinitely
>but why
>I just am

Jesus fucking Christ and we're supposed to LIKE this bitch?

>>88600394
HELLO MY BABY
HELLO MY HONEY
HELLO MY RAG TIME GAL

>>88605338
Most actual villains would have a rough time dealing with spiderman.

>>88600394
>>88606333
Steve hailing Hydra as soon as people stop looking at him would be a funny gag

>>88601233
Every time the republicans take the white house, Cap either dies or retires.

>>88600394
AAAHHHH TONY?!?!?

HELP?!!!!!

You know what would be fucking hilarious and wonderful?

Bendis stealing Spencer's event and writing it himself.

>>88607050

>Steve makes a speech about freedom and patriotism
>Turns back to look at the camera with his left hand covering the right side of his mouth
>"Hail Hydra..." *wink*

>>88607086

Really makes you think.

>>88602366
>excellent art
>ghost drawn

>>88600435
Juju on the beat

>>88602367
The X-Men tie in

>>88602367
>>88607729
Story was cool, Rachel was based, but the art was godawful. It's just "ok", not good.

I'll say the Scarlet Witch tie-in was good though.

>>88602366
Bendis is not the problem, he is the biggest symptom, but Brevoort and Buckley are the problems.

>>88600394
>Steve falls and gets impaled on a stick
>Miles is there trying to pull him off it and gives a monologue to Carol and Tony.
>Tony somehow does it so he gets Steve's wound
>Tony dies/gets coma'd and Steve lives to Hydra for another day.

>>88601200
This needs to go viral...

>>88600355
>speculated to contain possible futures (one of them may be Marvel's Summer 2017 event)

OH FUCK RIGHT OFF

>>88607050
Speaking of, do you think this event will get the rescripting treatment like Civil War I, AVX and Secret Wars 2016 did?

>Don’t miss the comic that will have the whole world talking
Do they live in fairy land or what?

>>88604206

drink your ovaltine

>>88604206
>Bendis' blackboard
He shamelessly stole that from DC when Geoff had Rip do it and Bendis had Tony from the future do it but he never really followed through most of that, lol.

>>88608036
And it looks like most of them are cosmic related

>>88605160
To be fair, that's how Old Man Logan happened.

>>88608228
>Civil War I and SW2016 got Nuzlocke'd

Where? I want to read that shit.

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>>88600394
I don't care what's going on. I cannot take this page seriously

>>88600394
Artist couldn't think of a better pose for Cap?

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>>88602548
As Booster time travels just to make sure his "death" doesn't look silly to onlookers.

Truly a fate worse than death for him.

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>>88600355
Wait, it's not out? CW2 is not yet over? How the fuck do we know how it ends then? Are they releasing books set after these events or something?

Jesus fucking christ, Marvel is a fucking mess.

>>88608761
Same here but i'd also like to see the AVX also

>>88609002
Yes they did

>>88609002
The same thing happened with Secret Wars, but this is worse, The whole event was delayed for months and then extended

>>88609002
They used to do shit like this all the time, it happened with the original Civil War if I remember correctly, it happened with both the original and recent Secret War stories, etc.

>>88601011
>he could pull of some kind of sciency bullshit to beat her

Easily. He has known for years that her powers can be affected by technology. For instance, in an Iron Man issue right before "Disassembled", Carol complained that the communications scrambler on Avengers mansion felt like a full-body sandpaper wrap.

Iron Man not being able to take down Carol is horseshit, but of course, dramatically he can't be allowed to win in this bucket of piss they call of a story.

But, you see, this is written by Bendis, and in any case Marvel writers do whatever the fuck they feel like anyway.

>>88609223

But anon, if Tony won then Carol wouldn't feel like the Empowered Female Face of Marvel!

>>88601200
This is 1000% better to the Bendis shit!!!!!

>>88603285
>Marvel is a parody of itself at this point

The Marvel Universe was destroyed. This is a copy made by Reed Richards' kid. No wonder it's kinda shitty.

>>88609296
If kid created it, it'd be AWESOME.

>>88609271

Carol has not been served at all by being made into the figurehead of this whole movement.

The concept of the whole thing is not bad, but the execution is a catastrophe. It's like Civil War I, but WORSE.

Everything has just gone horribly wrong. And it needn't have been this way.

The problem is the creators. Marvel outright does not have talent that can do big events. I mean, how desperate is a company that puts BENDIS in charge of something like this?

>>88604424
Maybe she should go after Carol then? There is plenty of dirty laundry there.

>>88602816
Carol actually works enough as Vegeta

>>88608761
I assume anon is referencing "I don't want your Civil War" by mightgodking back then and Illuminating Comics' Secret Wars

>>88609007
Lurk fucking more, come on

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>>88608994
Perfect.

>>88609002
>Are they releasing books set after these events or something?
Yes.

>>88601099
Bendis saw Minority Report

>>88600382
This looks cool
>Civil war
Why?

alright /co/ will Ulysses like Black Swan and Hope before him ever appear in a comic book again after Wednesday?

>>88600410
>Ulysses vs Za Warudo
So Ulysses was the bad guy all this time?

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>>88600394

>>88609610
Events are usually planned years ahead. CWII was planned a couple months ahead.

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>>88611669
FYI: Marvel has had precogs in their books long before "Minority Report" Cruised into theaters.

You can't continue to push this lie that Evil Evil BENDIS is ripping off a movie.
It's just obnoxiously stupid.

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>>88609610
>>88613348

This is the end of Carol's longtime quest to be the most popular hero in Marvel-land, that wish she had that she lived out in House-of-M has been motivating her actions ever since that event.
With her publically taking charge in this hardcore fashion in Civil War 2 she's finally winning the approval of the world over.
Now Carol's story is the whole "be careful what you wish for" morality tale.
You may think it's the ruin of the character, but this is just the beginning of the third act of this decade-long story-arc.

>>88604206
>tony not dead but in a coma
holy fucking shit.

called it.

>>88614025
Bendis is stupid
>>88614339
Hasn't Carol suffered enough?

>>88601200
RIP Lockcap

>>88601233
>that spoiler
Don't make me sad/mad again.

>>88614339
>world is only exposed to Carol's extremely well manicured and cultivated public persona via the media, courtesy of great PR
>everything goes to hell when she gets exposed

>>88604206
>No more fun for She-Hulk

Confirmed for the Speedball/Penance of Civil War II?

>>88614953

Man, I'm so glad Speedball recovered from the Penance shit.

>TOO *BANG* DEEP *BANG* FOR *BANG* YOU!

>>88602816
That's a masenko at best.

>>88614870
Never underestimate the Marvel civilian population's advocacy for shallow and violent superheroics.
Hell, just look at the kind of assholes IRL people root for in action movies!

>>88601099
You really do have to ask, because it's not like Bendis is actually explaining anything - he seems to think he can write about the consequences of stuff because in his world things happen without preceding actions.

We've not seen the prisons where Carol and the gubmint are supposedly locking people away. Carol's said they're only detaining people until the date and time of the predicted event passes - but then everyone else is acting like they're banging people away in the slammer for life. Bar some mystical 'the future should be immutable' crap from Tony there's really no reason for the conflict beyond that Bendis wants to write about the consequences of one.

Most of the tie-in authors are off on a huge never ending rant about 'profiling' when Ulysses's visions are very specifically about individuals. Someone in editorial really oughta tell them that was Civil War 1's schtick. He's also predicting large scale disasters in which the megadeaths aren't happening because they're evacuating people or solving the problem ahead of time.

Given the scant info Bendis has supplied for the reasoning I have no idea why are supporting IronMong and his windowlicking ideology this time around.

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>>88615928
>Carol's said they're only detaining people until the date and time of the predicted event passes
That's not even Carol, that was Becky's group that she shut down & arrested.

>>88602451
why don't you just rearrange the options you get a bingo?

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>DURP! I don't understand what they're fighting about!

Maybe people should have read the comic.

One side says; " We have to stop crimes before they happen by locking people up!"
The other side says; " We have to protect people from being locked up for things they didn't do!"

Is it still confusing? Why would it be?

>>88616884
Because shitposters have integrity.

>>88607232
Not going to happen

Hydra War is going to be Disney forcing Spencer to unfuck Cap after Naz Cap and "Lets do an arc where we shit all over the cops" then silently exiling him from Marvel for committing the cardinal sin of pissing off the mouse

>>88608592
IIRC that was more Brubaker's fault.

Brubaker kept pushing Marvel to do a "War of the Worlds: Marvel Edition" crossover and Marvel kept rejecting it. But Brubaker and Bendis kept shilling a Martian Invasion for years and even exiled Kilraven into the present as part of the build-up

God Marvel is fucked.

If DC had a Marvel Unlimited equivalent, I'd shit myself.

>>88604424
>and afterwards Carol gets to keep her flying Guantanamo
But there is nothing morally wrong with this. She is only jailing people she has evidence against, if she hadn't found evidence on the woman she would have released her.

>>88617692
DC did have an equivalent of it a while ago,
but they fucked it up with their "turn-everything-to-shit" ability.

>>88617022
>One side says; " We have to stop crimes before they happen by locking people up!"
Only until the incident date has passed you fucking idiots.

>>88617022
Because that's not what's in the actual comic.

Carol's side wants to use future visions to prevent disasters/crimes/etc.. which sometimes involves detaining people.

Tony doesn't want people to use Ulysses because he can't handle his buddy getting fragged by Thanos.

Then you look at the actual fights and it makes even less sense. The rooftop fight has zero motivation for Tony to be there. Nightcrawler has rescued the woman before Carol even confronts Tony and his crew so the brawl has no point. Then in the most recent issue Carol talks down Miles and is having a peaceful resolution when Tony flies in and starts shooting.

>>88617965
Yeah I am 100% on Carol's side.
IF she ongoingly detains people without evidence, then I would be against her but only until all resources of checking for evidence has been gone through is perfectly fine.

>>88617789
Not every prediction has come with a date attached. What then? These are people's lives, people who haven't done anything.
>>88617965
To meet your argument in kind I'll just say: One side wants to protect people from an overreaching fear-based police-state and the other is an aging superheroine who wants attention. That about right? That pretty much how it is?
>>88618019
Carol does not have any proper legal evidence. Carol has a single source for every detainment and arrest. No due process, no appeal, no evidence hearing, no secondary source confirmation.
It is nothing more than a single person pointing fingers.

>>88618215
>That about right? That pretty much how it is?
It actually isn't. Tony isn't mad about "an overreaching fear-based police-state" he's mad that Thanos killed Rhodey. Sure the tie-ins may add more to it but the core event does not have them clashing over illegal detention.

>>88618215
Overreaching/police state would be spying on people without cause (which the visions are) and punishing/harming them without evidence (which they have not done)

Temporary detainment while searching for evidence would be wrong or a overreach for normal crimes but these are apocalyptic end of the human race threats, its perfectly fucking fine.

Absolutely nothing wrong with a fear based system, fear keeps us alive.

What evidence is there that Carol gives a shit about attention???

>>88618287
Do you really believe that the smartest man left in the 616 universe can't see facts for facts because a friend died?
There is a clear injustice being perpetrated here by a powerful person and that person committing that crime is now claiming that anyone opposing her actions is simply stupid or too emotional or otherwise has an invalid concern that isn't worth even considering.
That's straight up trolling the people you're bullying.

SPOILER: . And FYI: Ulysses is soon proven to be an unreliable source. So in the end Tony is right about this. .

>>88618215
>Carol does not have any proper legal evidence. Carol has a single source for every detainment and arrest, no evidence hearing.
The initial detainment is only so that they may find evidence, if none is found then those detained are released.

>>88618414
>is now claiming that anyone opposing her actions is simply stupid or too emotional or otherwise has an invalid concern that isn't worth even considering.
Except that is false, America Chavez rebelled and Carol negotiated her into staying on the team to make sure things are done right.

>>88618287
This ongoing reductio ad absurdum of 'Tony is just mad about Rhodey, nothing else' gets more and more silly with each passing month. The FIRST ISSUE of the entire event features him finding out about how they caught the "celestial", Ulysses' whole bag of future prediction, and Tony delivers, ON THE SPOT, a "hey, woah, maybe we should be careful here, minority-report style preemptive justice based on one kid's future-seeing, which we have no way to verify the accuracy of, could go some pretty nasty places if we try to take it too far".

It's a rational, intelligent (so surprising it was allegedly written by Bendis) call for caution and temperance, simply based on the entire notion of "lets go after people because someone had a vision, even before they do anything" being a recipe for disaster.

Then the whole Rhodey clownshow happened, and Tony got pretty angry, particularly since Captain Marvel combined both a) acting on visions and b) not acting on them competently to result in c) Rhodey being killed due to poor tactical planning.

From that point onward, it was two things. A) his best friend died, and B) this entire predictive justice thing was being done in the stupidest, most heavy-handed way possible (trapped in a Bendis event!). It was never just 'muh rhodey', despite the nonsensical memes, and despite the OOC and stupid writing of the entire event.

>>88618420
Except they aren't, the woman with an empty briefcase being the most obvious example.

I have to give Marvel credit, at least they found a stupid fascist position that enough readers were actually willing to stupidly support this Civil War go-around, unlike Registration.

>>88618401
Your first argument: "Spying on people was justified because of what was found when spying on people."
What was the CAUSE to spy upon people BEFORE the act of spying on people?

Your second argument presupposes extenuating circumstances that do not exist in ever instance that these extreme measures are used;
"There COULD BE a ticking bomb some day, so we need to act without any rules in all situations just in case that particular situation ever arises!"
But when there is a situation like that, the exception to the norm that it is justifies the behavior that you wish be done for situations that don't justify that behavior.
You're pretending that there's no reason to ever observe rules when there's one example when normal rules wouldn't be followed by necessity.
Fear makes people stupid. Panic causes riots, stampedes, lynch-mobs, and many other bad ideas.
And next time read the posts before you respond.

>>88618420
Read what you are posting.
You are arguing that people should be arrested and only then should a crime be looked for in order to justify that arrest.
So why was that person arrested? And why weren't you?
Does it matter who is arrested if evidence proving guilt of a possible crime is only looked for afterword?
If that was you arrested, how would you prove that you weren't going to eventually BECOME a criminal???

>>88618420
is that supposed to make it better? that's still a pretty shit deal

>>88618444
She didn't win Chavez over, they had to postpone the dispute because of Thanos being Thanos.
Chavez trying to minimize the harm that Carol is doing IS NOT proof that Chavez thinks there's no harm being done by Carol's actions.
Do you understand that?

I just dont buy Tony not beating Carol.
Tony's come close to shutting down the fucking Hulk. Tony's always found a way to shut down power users or use their powers againts them.When he fought against the Hulk, he had Anti-gamma shit, radiation absorption shit, serums that slow down his regeneration, weaponizing cures, ect-

Tony fucking counters Magneto at his own Magnetism game and manages to win for a while!

Why is this random nobody who I remember a few years ago was just a nonthinking brawler suddenly somehow matching a guy who makes suits that take one Worldbreakers and Gods?

Did Tony get lazy?

>>88618854
Carol's got powercreep like nobody's business.
And here she's also rockin' the plot armor.

This fucking event still hasn't ended? Jesus Christ.

>>88615067
to be honest, Penace would have been a lot more fun if they played more the "CRAWLIIIINNNGG IN MY SKIN" card

>>88618854

Super skull could beat the shit out of Tony anyday, imagine a empowered (pun not intended) promoted Ms.Marvel now fucking Captain Marvel. In direct head on head conflict she could win. For Tony to win this he would have to enforce a good strategy aka Ironman asspull and team involvement (like someone comboing with him to force her into a vulnerable moment and then he can neutralize her with some adapted reverse engineered alien technology.


And unlike other enemies, Carol knows Tony really really well, not as Cap's level but probably as deep as any other closer friend.

>>88618979
Shouldnt the same apply for Tony?
He's got years of footage of her fighting style and growth as a person, biological scans, DNA make up from over the years when she was an Avenger, and so many sources of information on her that it should be incredibly easy for him to make an AI algorithim that anticipates her fighting style just like he did againts Cap in Civil War.

They keep depowering Tony.
When SECRET WARS was happening, and the final climatic showdown was taking place, the writers gave Iron Man a fucking Iron Man suit, which was somehow hack proof and EMP proof, and a ton of traditional defenses proof.

Tony didnt call in his hundreds of other suits, didnt call in any of his secondary defenses, no Cap-Buster, no nothing.

Writers really hate Tony, IMO. They never let him win. The guy with the really advanced Tech and years of prep-time and billions of dollars of money and advanced AI companions helping him should not be defeated this easily.

Batman wins all the goddamn time, why cant Tony?Isnt Tony, according to Reed, the smartest man alive, the world's greatest multitasker?

>>88619049
I mean, they gave Cap an Iron Man suit.

>>88618854
Carol has the greatest super power of all.

Management Push.

Now with the power of DISNEY bulwarking said power.

>>88618502
>It was never just 'muh rhodey',

Except that's what it sounded like in the first issue due to the dialogue (His warning was only about what if Ulysses sees a hero as a threat). If they cut the Thanos part out and went right to the death of Banner, then it could be both him getting upset over the death of a friend (Banner) and actually getting upset over something he did warn about.

>>88619049
"Cap-proof"????

Captain America's superpower is the super-soldier serum effects, that's ideal health and peak human physical potential.
That's it. He also has a metal Frisbee.
An Olympic athlete is not something you build specialized battle-armor to take down.

>>88619116
Captain America could just be killed by a well placed dart and cobra venom.Or just throw gas at him.

He cant deflect gas with his shield.

Wide area flamethrower.

Sticky rubber adhesive shit...

I dont know.

I always disliked Cap as a threat. It's why I liked Civil War in the MCU. It showed that Cap alone isnt much of a threat- he needs help and alot of luck to beat Iron Man.

>>88619145
He really is Batman without any of the cool aspects of being Batman.

>>88601215
I'm pretty sure I don't and I love it for its surface level.

>>88600394
Captain America dies AGAIN?

Blah blah blah like pottery, blah blah.

>>88619145
/co/ needs a big list of "capes who can be killed with a pistol despite having superpowers".

Like, you can have all the offensive powers in the world, but it means dick if you don't pass the bulletproof test. Superhuman durability is the real thing separating normal guys from metahumans.

>>88619049

Tony wons lot of impossible battles in the last few years but he has an adaptability limit and that's the beauty of the iron man, lots of suits for different occasions

Like when he fought mags avx, he won but it was clearly stated that magneto dropped the fight.

besindes Tony being one of the most powerful heroes, each suit has to give up on something . Like he made a suit immune to Erik's magnetism but lost so much durability that magneto started to punch the fuck out of him empowered by the sun's magnetism. iron man suit showed durability to take some heavy hits but since he had given up on metal to face magneto,that opened a breach and besides mags not being a physical heavy puncher he could muscle Tony for a while. Unfortunately plot ended the fight with the muh Holocaust memories but I am pretty sure mags would eventually trap him into a metal ball after he got Jupiter's magnetism and throw him into the next solar system lmao. There's a reason he needs hulk buster to face the green monster but he can't just hulk buster the fuck out of every other enemy that does not use just extreme physicsl strength

Ms marvel works with a very varied array of powers that grew stronger far from Tony's surveillance. Powers like this are much harder for him to counter, like fighting absurd guys kinds of silver surfer, sentry and etc. The best he can do is survive and combo with someone to help shut the threat down.

But yes, iron man is capable of beating her with a good asspull, unlike let's say Spidey or Cap, but I think we are kinds of tired of seeing Tony asspull tech just for the sake of a lazy conclusion, specially if you consider how much iron man was shoved into our mouths in the last few years since civil war 1 an all the Tony upgrades that are now more fantasious than magic lol. Things is, they decided to push other hero using the popularity of another hero and since she has the resources to, not even "logic" can help

Also, Reed is smarter than Tony.

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>>88608728
Not thinking far enough, villains switched around during Acts of Vengeance.

And it's not like Daredevil hasn't fought Doctor Doom before.

>>88602367
Getting some insight into how fucked up Miles actually is. Granted, that only lasted for about a page but for that one page he was actually sort of interesting.

>>88614339

You really think they're capable of a long game on that level?

>>88614411

Yeah, because that was really up in the air...

>>88615067

He hasn't really. The Penance thing was not an outrageous reaction to extreme mental stress. And he's still changed.

>>88619079
What The Mouse wants, The Mouse gets.
And right now empowered wymyn and non-whites are in. and they want in, BAD.

>>88620071
It's more that they want their "Wonder Woman", even though Wonder Woman hasn't had a breakout successful comic or TV series since, like, the 70s.

And, of course, Disney knows that selling princesses to little girls (and to the adults those little girls grew up into) has been highly profitable for them, and Wonder Woman is the Princess of DC, so if they can just make Carol into Marvel's Wonder Woman, it's LIKE a princess, like...like Mulan! Yeah, that did okay.

As with everything else, it's market share and demographics and so forth, and corporations blunderingly forcing what they think will make the magic money rain start pouring.

>>88620093
>Wonder Woman hasn't had a breakout successful comic or TV series since, like, the 70s.
Spotted the casual.

I'm not sure if I missed a storyline or not because the schedule of this event is horrible but did we ever see Cho Hulk beat the shit out of everyone like in Ulysses' vision.
Did we ever see that happen or was it resolved in Cho's comic and just ignored in Civil War 2? Or was it just ignored and forgotten because Bendis.

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>>88620241
Cho Hulk didn't beat up anyone. He just sulked, fought BP for a little bit, and then tracked down Hawkeye and they both had a cry.

There was a rampaging zombie Hulk though in Uncanny Avengers, but he only lasted 2 issues and didn't really do that much damage.

>>88604206
I can see the ribic pages be FF related

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>>88618537
>I have to give Marvel credit, at least they found a stupid fascist position that enough readers were actually willing to stupidly support this Civil War go-around, unlike Registration.

Literally NO ONE supports Carol. At least Registration was one of those things that Tony knew was fucked up, and tried to take control of it to make it as less-fucked up as he could because there wasn't any other option. Carol just went straight up girl-hitler.

>>88621407
>Project Wideawake
>Marvel characters get replaced by cookie cutter minorities to please the normiefaggotry arm chair social justice of the left
>#woke is a fictional hashtag on their "Most diverse" book yet on Champions

He tried to stop this /co/

>>88601636
>which has a good chance of being decent.

Are you on fucking crack

>>88622105
Spencer is a good writer and his Captain America: Steve Rogers has been fun. Ontop of that, if Standoff is anything to go buy, he's got a solid handle on crossovers which events are just a bigger version of.

>>88622129
Back to your Twitter safe space, Spencer.

>>88600394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRr5Rh7KdkY

>>88618537
She's literally the only example which is why everyone was confused about how to react to her.
Carol was pushing the detention envelope to try and understand wth was happening.
The threats of indefinite detention were stupid but no worse than what cops and prosecutors already do or threaten.

>>88600919
>So even after all that bullshit about Ulyses' visions not being 100% right, they still gonna' have Cap end up in that same goddamn pose they keep throwing around in four other comics, just to make it seem like Carol was in the right?

It's the opposite. Miles wouldn't be killing him and they'd only be there because Carol was insistent on following Ulysses's visions, which have finally become deceptive and self-fulfilling and therefore useless.

>>88618790
Chavez wasn't minimizing shit. Chavez just wanted to attack somebody rather than talk which is exactly what everyone in the room other than Chavez was attempting to do at the time. She was escalating everything so that she could get her rocks off via hero vs hero fights.

>>88601217
Carol's energy absorbing has usually been limited to the zappy glowy kind. She's not a Sebastian Shaw-level kinetic energy absorber.

>>88617627
You've been posting this for months. No one is buying it. Just stop.

>>88621454
fuck

>>88623266
It's that guy who keeps pretending to be a "Marvel Insider" again.