amazing spiderman #22 storytime

27!

>>88578421
>Voice modulator
Does it modify smell too? Because otherwise The Lizard would be able to tell he's not Warren.

>>88578421
gotta keep quipping
<.<

>>88578457
oh now where did this fucker spring from

>>88578457
>I'm gonna clone this clone!

>>88578512
>>88578457
>>88578484
Why is Miles not in his furry jumpsuit?

Clone Conspiracy a shit

>>88578551
I want to hug Ben

Welp, spoiler guy last night was right.

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spider of murder

>>88578528
how did he survive the fall from the daily bugle?
hell he wasnt even using his jumpsuit anymore, he was genetically green (for some reason)

this has to be another clone

>>88578551
This reminds me of that episode of Treehouse of Horror where Sideshow Bob clones Bart over and over again to kill him again and again.

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>>88578566
well it was scanbro spoiling it

>>88578551
I dont like this direction for Ben

I thought he got over those problems the first time

>>88578576
Or maybe the one that fell from the Daily Bugle was the clone.

>>88578574
>Warren keeps underestimating Peter's limits
I guess even he didn't know Peter holds back a lot.

>>88578609
probably
but where the hell was the real one all this time?

>>88578576
He didn't, but way before Spider-Island there was another Jackal running around in a Spider-Man vs. Punisher mini.

Warren'll just keep cloning the shit out of himself.

>>88578605
So, how long has Ben been the Jackal?
It was Miles Warren during Spider-Island, right?

>>88578590
That's fucking savage.

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and thats all for now

>>88578621
>>88578632
I just realized something.
What's the difference between Jackal/Bens' new cloning process and the process Arnim Zola has been using to resurrect Nazi War criminals for years? Seems to me that Zola's is better.

>>88578648
slott kind of implied it was ben during spider-island

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>>88578648
Must have been, since he called himself Miles Warren in the prologue.

>>88578609
IIRC that one called himself a clone by association when they gassed the shit out of that small town to test their kill-only-non-clones virus.

>>88578657
Huh, I thought we were almost done with this event.

>>88578677
Arnim Zola's way is better because he doesn't pidgeonhole himself into focusing on one specimen. Learning multiple lines of genetic code leads to you find the best strands of each to reinforce the whole.

>>88578735
nazi

>>88578677
>>88578735
Zola's process is so good, he could actually make a clone of Steve Rogers with the Red Skull's conciousness, with all of his memories up to the moment of his death.

>>88578512
That's kind of horrible.

>>88578551
this is horrific

>>88578408
>Except I AM and you KNOW it
>Despite being acting, literally, nothing like Ben Reilly, I'm totally 100% the same guy

>>88578408
>>88578421
not sure how Pete changes his mind here

>>88578657
Thanks!

>>88578895
Tearing up at the thought of that being the cost to bring Uncle Ben back? Seems to work for me

>>88578395
YOU FILTH thread was fun.

>>88579009
better than the actual issue

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>>88579009
>>88579029

>>88579029
We knew it'll be predictable issue.
>>88579056
And "futa isn't gay".

>>88579068
implication

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>>88579068
When will Spidercide show up in this event?

>>88578528
Probably one of the many, many, many Miles Warren clones.

>>88579100
Yeah, he's missing. Clone this, clone that and they forget about him. Shame.

>>88579125
Anon please, he has to stay dead. Miles Warren told him a big secret that must be kept secret.

>>88578590
>you're in the clone club now

Uhh... hasn't he ALWAYS been in the "clone club"? Didn't Miles, you know, START the clone club?

>>88579186
IF UNCLE BEN CAN'T STAY DEAD, THEN NOBODY HAS TO!
And Jason and Bucky.

>>88578590
Okay, that genuine fun

>>88578512
Jesus, just shoot him or something.

>>88579225
also,you forgot Thomas Bruce

>>88578515
>>88578532
;-;

>>88578590

Ok that's one way to torture the hell out of someone.

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>>88579225
He is TOO 90s, I will not ALLOW THIS!

>>88578605
So..... why the fuck did he take on the Jackal name?

>>88579317
That's pretty groovy costume.

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>>88579100
Right after Judas Traveller

>>88578532
>They say drowning is one of the better ways to go

NO ONE says that. The fuck are you talking about, Slott? Drowning is slow and excruciating.

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>>88579408
I thought I was the only one to remember him.

>>88579408
Carol fought an alternate universe version of him in Reed's run of Ms. Marvel.

>>88579402
that's no costume!

>>88579431

I mean compared to starvation, being crushed, burned, torn in half, and tortured, it is one of the better ways.

It still is very sucky.

>>88579444
You and anyone who read the 90s Clone Saga. There was a guy who kept insisting that NuJackal was going to be Judas Traveller and not Ben.

>>88579527
I'm sure he's reading this thread right now angry.

>>88579509
Eh, starvation I'll give you, similar to drowning but takes a lot longer.

But any kind of Mortal Kombat fatality would be a sharper pain but it would be over quicker, so...debatable?

>>88578371
In this issue: Slott watched The Prestige by Nolan

>>88579444
You sick fuck, this is a blue board

>>88578610
This or his clones are stronger, Kaine did the same trick when he was prisoned with Spock

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>>88579642
Sorry anon

Thanks, OP. I'd say that I'm looking forward to this finally coming to an end, but I doubt what comes after will be much better.

>>88578532
>>88578532
Who says that?!
Fucking Christ is this hack now trying to convince us of his fucking fetishes or something?

>>88578775
This is what Warren did in this issue, but his process have the decay problem

>>88579747
Kind of makes you wonder why they don't just try and copy Zola's method.

>>88579680
All this shows is that Slott is a one trick pony. He just recycles the same ideas over and over and over again.

But we already knew this.

>>88579683
What issue is this from?

>>88578551
>And people still think Slott LIKES Spider-Man.

This is the second time Slott has wrote an entire story around repeatedly murdering Spider-Man.

>>88579832
New Avengers first issue.

>>88579790
Also this, sure.
I mean CC looks like Spider Island but with clones
And i dont want to say its bad, im enjoing it so far, but still.

>>88579331
To make Miles feel even more worthless, I guess.

>>88579932
How would he be doing that? If anything, from everything we've seen from Jackal, Jackal/Miles would probably be excited about that. In a "My little boy is growing up!" kind of way. He's twisted like that.

>>88579874
The 2005 Bendis one?

>>88579955
That's true. I got nothing. I guess we have to hope that it'll be revealed in CC issue 4, but I'm not betting on it.

>>88579988
Yeah, the Bendis one.

>>88578408
>I won't you even use my Spider-sense to dodge

Motherfucker, Peter and Ben don't set off each other's SS. Jesus, Slott. Do your fucking research.

>>88578484
This artificial memories bit makes no sense given how clones have been treated in the past. Lousy retcon to desperately make Slott's new clones appear different.

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So who jerked off Spock, /co/?

>>88580005
Cool. Thanks.

>>88579241
he's trying to test his body's reaction to different stress to find his cracking point shooting him won't yield the same results

>>88578512
>>88578515
>>88578532

Jesus Christ, Miles.

>>88580055
Topkek, I totally forgot that part. Can you post the page where it's implied?

>>88579680
Kaine has always been stronger than Spider-man. That's his gimmick.

>>88580055
According to the interview here: http://www.cbr.com/dan-slott-details-clone-conspiracy-3-major-spider-man-return/

Ben has been Jackal since Spider-Island.

So that's Ben in your pic.

>>88580178
they bait people in interviews all the time, that's the same guy who said you couldn't use ben reilly exactly because he dissolved.

>>88580178
I still don't think that's true. Dan Slott has said that Roderick Kingsley was permanently dead and look how that turned out. Or maybe Ben just put one of the Miles clones in those Jackal suits.

>>88580236
>Or maybe Ben just put one of the Miles clones in those Jackal suits
That still makes Ben complicit in all the death and destruction caused during the event.

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>>88580178
>>88580149
>>88580178
>>88580226
>>88580236
>>88580287

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>>88580303

>>88580303
>MY OWN CLONE
>NOW NEITER OF US WILL BE VIRGINS

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>>88580287
>>88580303
>>88580338
Issue 24 of Amazing shows the Miles Warren version of Jackal fight Ben Reilly's. Unless that cover is supposed to be symbolic of Reilly fighting his crazier Jackal side with his more noble one.

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Slott won't kill Kaine right? He'll cure his degeneration right?

>>88580407
I'd bet on it being literal, it's just too big to gloss over ever since when was Ben actually brought back.

>>88580444
Slott has done good by Kaine more often than not. Certainly more than some other characters. I think Slott has a soft spot for Kaine and Otto. Hopefully Kaine makes it out alright. If he doesn't I hope he goes out in style.

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>>88580496
He needs to work as Peter's bodyguard, anon.

>>88580055
>>88580303
>I will bring people's loved ones back from the dead, I'm so noble
>But first let's wreak havoc upon NYC/the Earth and rape Spider-Man

>>88578461
Parkers always use quips to lighten the mood and tension.

>>88580407
>Unless that cover is supposed to be symbolic of Reilly fighting his crazier Jackal side with his more noble one.

>yfw we get a Scarlet Spider book post-Clone Conspiracy, but its just a Superior Spider-Man book, but with Jackal in Ben's body.

>>88580020
This wasn't written by Slott and it's the editors' job to catch continuity mistakes anyways.

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>>88580584
>>But first let's wreak havoc upon NYC/the Earth and rape Spider-Man

I bet you he knew it was Otto in there

>>88580584
>he wouldn't rape spider-man before saving the world
what's wrong with you?

>>88580679
>I bet you he knew it was Otto in there
And that explains Spider-Island how?

>>88580670
>and it's the editors' job to catch continuity mistakes

Marvel's current editors are complete and utter baffoons. Do they even do any actual work?

>>88578437
>he also gave a poor lonely kid a job
I thought Peter worked freelance

>>88578605
Wait... the middle one was never a costume. Miles literally genetically alterred himself to look like that.

>>88580005
Bendis, the writer?

>>88580670
>b-b-but Slott is such a continuity fag!

People actually think this.

>>88578532
Drowning is just about the worst death I can imagine, what the fuck.

>>88578512
This is really fucked up.

>>88578532
>They say drowning is one of the better ways to go
They say the fucking opposite.

Editors where?

>>88579100
> Yost teases Spidercide 2.0.

Maybe he's the end boss?

>>88580736
He also outright died, but that's not going to stop Dan.

>>88580838
Isn't this issue's script by Gage?

>>88578532
I thought drowning was excruciating?

>>88580736
Seems Slott has retconned 90s Jackal to just a regular human in a costume like his 70s incarnation. When Peter says "you've never been that strong" he's obviously wrong, since Warren curbstomped both Peter and Ben when he first came out of his genetic birth matrix mcguffin.
>>88580679
Perhaps, but that's not the greatest excuse to steal semen from your genetic template and build an army of spider-mutants to take over the world

>>88578574
>killing's not what we do
Prowler and Electro might beg to differ.

>>88578564
This is awful. Will Spidey ever be free of Slott's fanfic?

>>88580840
>He also outright died
On more than one occasion.

Pretty much any opportunity he can, Jackal lies about something just to keep Pete guessing.

>>88580178
First rule of Dan Slott: NEVER trust anything he says for interviews.

>>88580576
He needs to stay out of NY and go back in Texas where he is a big gun

>>88580668
>yfw we get a Scarlet Spider book post-Clone Conspiracy, but its just a Superior Spider-Man book, but with Jackal in Ben's body

Thank god this theory no longer stand after this issue.

>>88580839
>Yost teases Spidercide 2.0.

When he did that?
Is he involved?

>>88580953
at the end of his superior/scarlet spider team up.

>>88578590
Damn, that's great.

>>88579784
Cuz >Muh scientific genius

Why doesn't Kaine have the cellular degradation problem?

>>88579408
Fuck Judas Traveller.

>>88580978
At The time i belived he was going to do something with Ben, but now this might be possibile
Or maybe they'll just ignore everything

>>88578437
why is high school Pete always drawn in the Ditko style, but college age Pete drawn in the artist's own style?

>>88581051
He always did?

>>88580864

Yeah, he really needs to give Francine the boot.

>>88581051
Cured after spider-island, then The other kept him from degenerete again, now the other is gone, and he is dying again

>>88580864
>>88581098

He also ordered Rhino to kill the Kingpin after tempting Fisk with Vanessa failed to work.

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>>88581115
>now the other is gone, and he is dying again

No Jesus no

>>88581115
Before Spider-Island though when DeMatteis was back to writing the character they mentioned that the degeneration actually mutated and acted up within Kaine, so his added strength and visions came from it so he wasn't going to die from it anytime soon.

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>>88581115
>>88581168

Don't take him from her Slott

>>88578512
Literally Mengle levels of sadism.

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>>88580584

I suppose there could be rogue Jackals out there, like "The Professor" one from Daredevil vs. Punisher.

>>88580862
>Seems Slott has retconned 90s Jackal to just a regular human in a costume like his 70s incarnation.

See: >>88580883

The genetic mutations could have been:
>A - A lie
>B - On a clone

>>88580886
Unless he talks about how much he hates Peter Parker, like when he was saying Peter was Anti-Marvel because he dated a super model and not his midget OC.

>>88580911
Uhh.... It definitely still does. People have been speculating a lot about what is revealed on this cover: >>88580407

>>88581088
M-M-M-MUH DITKO

>>88581051
aka
>I don't actually read the stuff I want to discuss

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Bring her back you assholes. Progressive Marvel killed off a sexually confused character

>>88581705
Strangely, she appeared in a group shot in the last issue of Web Warriors. It was probably just a version of her from a universe similar to Earth-1610, though. That, or the editors just didn't care enough to notice that a supposedly dead character was alive again without any explanation.

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>>88581744
I just want her to be happy with Peter as a couple.

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When is my boy Peter going to wear this? Summer 2017, yeah?

>>88579431
Actually some studies show that while drowning your brain releases endorphins before shutting down. However psychologically it's fucking terrifying to me to due that way

>>88578449
I JUST DIED IN YOUR ARMS TONIGHT

>>88581880
Never in 616 continuity.

Last time we saw that costume, an AU Ezekiel wore it.

>>88581705
>>88581812
If you really loved her, you would choose to keep her dead. Remember her as she was. Not what Bendis or Slott and NuMarvel would turn her into today.

>>88580859
actually it depends on temperature and salinity,and if you try to hold your breath...
and panic....

>>88581812
That would be masturbation or incest?

>>88581880
>>88582044
I'd rather if he wore a leather jacket with spider symbols.

Having a leather jacket/leather longcoat over your own suit was one of the many things I miss about Marvel.

>>88579444
I wish to God that I didn't remember him.

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>>88582263
>Having a leather jacket

Made me think of this clone from the 90s Clone Saga.

>>88582727
But that's Peter.

>>88582799
It was a clone.

>>88582827
Really? I must be misrememebring things then.

>>88582727
God it's great...but the pants are kinda off.

Seriously Marvel should return to this type of hero costume + leather jacket/longcoat over the costume.

Imagine how good Captain America would look this way. Not every hero mind you (imagine Iron Man with one of these over his armor).

>>88578457
Because Peter did not collect the ashes and gave them the proper burial?

>>88578457
If all this is part of continuity does it mean that the son of Peter and MJ who supposedly died in childbirth also existed?

>>88582918
yes

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>>88578484
>>88578512
did he shock ben so hard he popped?
>>88578515
>>88578532
>>88578551
fucking hell what sin did ben ever do to get this kind of treatment

>>88582827
>>88582859

This is Peter. That issue had 3 Spidey's and Kaine. Fake Spidey was in the original costume.

>>88583052
That means that in the future we might know what happened to Spider-man's son.

He was probably kidnapped by Normal to turn his weapon against Spider-man

>>88583129
May's dead, man.

In Life of Reilly it was confirmed that the dangling plot thread that she might have been alive with the little bitch that poisoned MJ in Osborn's behalf during DeFalco's post-Clone Saga run was just red herrings Bob Harras thought would make for sales. In the end she only knew "May" as in Aunt May was still alive.

Also in other runs like Millar's some people flat out acknowledged it (Scorpion said "you killed Osborn's son, so he killed your fetus")

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>>88583097
alright, I knew I wasn't going senile yet.

>>88581612
But this is just a cover.
I dont think it is a hint or even a reference to the Superior Spider-Man cover where there is Pete and Otto fighting (was it the last one? i dont remember)
And if it is really an hint and Ben is Warren (Scakal?) it would be a really lazy reveal

>>88582918
>does it mean that the son of Peter and MJ who supposedly died
>son

You mean their DAUGHTER?

>>88583184
I know nothing of OMD exept the things that all people say, but in Spider-Man/Deadpool they are touching that plot again.

>>88583184
>In Life of Reilly it was confirmed

Also explored in depth here: http://www.cbr.com/abandoned-love-whatever-happened-to-peter-and-mary-janes-baby/

>>88583737
>But this is just a cover.

And? You have no idea what the contents of the comic include. There is a reason why people are speculating.

Could be a literal battle or a metaphorical battle. We don't know.

>>88583737
>it would be a really lazy reveal

You're acting like that's not Slott's MO.

>>88582918
But what is the point of Peter not having a daughter? Deadpool have one and the character hasnt changed.

>>88583073
>fucking hell what sin did ben ever do to get this kind of treatment

Simple. Miles is a uberdick.

>>88579408
He's a version of Miles Warren isn't he? That's where someone's gonna go with that.

>>88584401
no, he's just a superpowered character the writers didn't know who was he supposed to be to begin with they handwaved as a mutant that had a mental breakdown when they realized they needed to scorch the earth short-term with the clone saga. nothing more and nothing less.

>>88584401
He was a mutant that had illusion powers.

>>88578632
Wonder how Kaine will add to this conversation?

>>88578590
Wow Ben, that's a little out of line

>>88584743
dude, he was slightly forced to die 26 times straight by this guy.

>>88578632
God please why wont Slott leave

>>88578551
So new Jackal isn't even a clone of Ben Reilly. He's a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of Ben Reilly.

>>88584444
>>88584495
Sure, just like how Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver used to be mutants. Or how Squirrel Girl used to be a mutant. Someone is going to do that dumb retcon at some point, and you know it.

>>88578449
Goddamn I love Ben's Spider Suit.

>>88584967
Traveller being the mutant WAS the retcon though. No one knew what he was during his debut and they only came with the whole 'mutant' shtick because absolutely no one cared (maybe DeMatteis did but he wasn't writing the titles at the time. So Glenn Greenberg who was an assistant editor and never liked the character said he felt like the superpowered mutants that'd pop out of nowhere in the X-Men during the 90s when the character debuted, and when they decided to do the house cleaning to end the clone saga, they just let him use his old "mutant" idea because no one cared)

The only interest some creator showed on him was DeMatteis, and that was more on Scrier than Traveller, and he did use the cosmic Scrier in his Silver Surfer run.

>>88578512
>>88578515
>>88578532
Jesus Christ I wasn't prepared for this

>>88584955
And the worst part?

He knows how the previous clones felt when they died.

Being killed and cloned again slowly turns you evil.

Just ask Doomsday.

>>88578574
That last panel is so god damn sinister, i love it. Camuncolli is the shit

>>88582918
No. Pregnancy was jettisoned out of continuity by OMD going by Quesada's words.
I know what you're gonna say, no baby and no marriage renders the majority of the Clone Saga pointless or completely different to what happened pre-OMD. Just roll with it.

>>88585621
>No. Pregnancy was jettisoned out of continuity by OMD going by Quesada's words.
last thing I remember they said in interviews "every story happened, we just got rid of the marriage certificate" during BND.

>>88585657
During OMIT he all but stated it outright. "We think they wouldn't conceive a child out of wedlock" or something like that

>>88585731
In OMIT she does say she could never have kids outside of a marriage, but given how they were pretending to play the whole 'marriage certificate' excuse pretty strongly figured it was just 'and then that one time they thought about doing it because lol retcons

>>88585775
that's what MJ says in-universe. I meant what Quesada said;
>I personally feel that that’s one that didn’t happen, chiefly because Peter and MJ now not having been married, would have taken proper precaution to avoid getting in the family way in the first place.
>It was a turn down a bad road, and some of the creators even realized it at the time [...]So that’s an area where we maybe need to squint a little bit more in terms of overlooking it.

>>88586110
I didn't doubt you really, I just thought that odds are that's what they were rationalizing the whole clone saga as now

but sure, now osborn decides to fuck with peter who had 'killed' his son because... because.

not that it was any better when BND revealed harry had never died but was taken away to daddy to europe and he had to write a diary saying how PISSED he was that peter made him think he could HAVE possibly killed harry and had to pay, not to mention that he knew aunt may wasn't dead.

>>88585016
I wonder if his new one will have the hood or not

>>88578371
Thank you

>>88578449

>"I guess I finally felt like I was entitled... To step into the role of the one, true Spider-Man"

And then comes Miles and does it just because he feels like it.

>>88578632

YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING IDIOT

YOU PROMISED LESS THAN AN HOUR AGO TO GWEN THAT YOU WOULDN'T FALL FOR IT BECAUSE IT ALL ENDS IN ZOMBIES

SAVE US KAINE

>>88588432
Well, same thing happened in all the different universes

>>88588432
He's probably doing the 'yes, tell me all about your master plan' shtick to figure out a way to stop him.

>>88588432
Why doesn't he just tell him about Kaine, Gwen, and the carrion thing?

>>88590205

He's balls deep into one of his guilt trips.

Remember OMD? Kinda like that.

If I was to read Slott's run on Spider-Man, what would be the perfect jumping off point?

I kind of want to see where it went to shit.

>>88580978

How'd he do that? I can't remember.

>>88590345

Final issue of Superior Spider-Man. When Norman escaped because of sheer stupid luck.

>>88590925

That's why the Jackal took all those samples form Kaine and Spock (and jacking them off). He was going for Spidercide 2.0.

...

Wait is that selfcest then if Ben jacked Spock off?

>>88578604
This isn't Ben. This is a clone of Ben who also has the memories of being tortured to death over 20 times.

It's forced but justifiable. Kaine didn't need that much to snap and become a murderer.

>>88583875
>http://www.cbr.com/abandoned-love-whatever-happened-to-peter-and-mary-janes-baby/

Wait... there's a part to this subplot that's missing. After the Sciers blow up the woman who poisoned MJ and had "May" they took what the woman had to a warehouse. They even say that they have what the woman had before..

Kaine then showing up killed most and Robbie saw one of them at a hospital who barely survived and noticed he had the Mark of Kaine.

It was the final appearance of Kaine until BND.