Laser Guns vs. Conventional Firearms

>>88555412
Because laser uns are not real

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I remember the episodes from regular show with the animatronics have a lot of guns but usually don't see them on any other episode, maybe it's only ok if they are robots

>>88555437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxugT-QiEI

>>88555412
I don't get it either. Sometimes it fit, but other times you get cartoons like Spectacular Spiderman which takes place in relatively modern times and everyone from robbers to gangsters to cops have laser guns.

Lasers make pew pew noises and not blam blam noises.

I think it's also easier to show laser guns being completely ineffective than real guns.

S&P work on a type of logic that only makes sense to themselves. I remember the commentary on one BtAS episode they talk about how it was ok for a tommy gun to be fired towards the camera but not a handgun.

>>88555540
They had real guns sometimes. They just had laser sounds.

>>88555500

I do think the taboo is starting to lift, as cartoons in general are showing more and more stuff S&P would NEVER allow even 5 years ago.

>>88555597

I remember in an interview they said they could never show violence towards people, just robots, so they made a lot of villains use robot henchmen just so they could get destroyed in the most gruesome way possible.

>>88555653
That makes them laser guns.

>>88555550
Make the lasers go blame blam

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>>88555659
Following the great one's steps

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>>88555653
GI Joe did that a lot too.

>>88555682

Those banana magazines must store PHOTONS and SCIENCE

>>88555412

You know I was actually fairly impressed with the Loony Toons Show and how healthily it handled guns. There was even an episode where they went to the shooting range for fun. The entire thing was refreshing.

>>88555723

or just some really funky colored tracers

>>88555665
Not if they shoot real bullets.

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>>88555723

>>88555581
this. lasers can be set to stun or blind people. even when it's on the lethal setting, it doesn't cause blood to fly every where, which is why star wars the clone wars is such a violent cartoon.

>>88555597
>I remember the commentary on one BtAS episode they talk about how it was ok for a tommy gun to be fired towards the camera but not a handgun.
I can see the logic there. A child in 1992 could potentially get his hands on a a handgun but not a Tommy gun,

>>88555885
>>88555839
Here's what I don't get, though.

In G.I. Joe and the like, they have real guns, just with laser effects.

Surely all that does is make kids think that real guns only stun people?

Why not make a show where the characters have real guns, that do kill, so that kids get a show where there's real consequence from violence? You don't have to show gore or anything extreme. I'm pretty sure most kids know what death is by 6 or 7.

>>88555412
anything looney tunes related is gonna get a reasonable amount of leeway on the content shown even fucking loony tunes babies tackled some shit they shouldn't

Warner Bros likes to promote war mongering, the entire episode of OP's pic was really just that

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Not gun related, but goofy censorship related.

There's an episode of Captain Planet where Dr. Blight gives Hitler an atom bomb. And honestly they're really up front about the horrors of nuclear war, mentioning it poisons the land even after killing everybody.

What's weird is Hitler looks just like Hitler aside from his moustache. Like calling him the Fuhrer and having him talk about happily killing innocents is fine, but the toothbrush stache is just too much.

It's also worth noting that Hitler is able to weaken Captain Planet just by staring at him. He's THAT evil.

>>88556066

maybe they just wanted their own alternate reality Hitler they could use as an original character(do not steal)

You guys are forgetting one of the basic things about kids and TV: they try to imitate what they see and think it's cool.
Put a cool character with a fairly realistic gun on a show and kids are going to want to play with daddy's gun.
Give the same character a weird looking laser blaster and the kid will be satisfied with a nerf gun.

Like >>88555885 said.

>>88556100

This is my OC Alfred Hilter.

He's super strong and muscular and has psychic powers and lives in a castle in the mountains shut up he's totally original stop making fun of me

>>88556100
It's not that. There are laws in some places that make it a hate crime to show any depiction of Hitler or other high-ranking Nazi officials.

They gave him a mustache so they could still sell it to European countries to dub over the Nazi stuff.

"Hay guys we gotta stop that Hatler guy and his 4-square soldiers."

>>88555757
How the fuck is it refreshing? Anime has been having real guns for years.

>>88556183
>real guns
I mean, they get kind of sort of close but that's like saying Homer's future car is actually a car.

>>88556212
t. I only watched 3 anime my whole life

>>88556183
>Anime has been having real guns for years.

yeah, but not in an every day context.

shooting as a hobby, gun ownership as a plot(they take away Yosemite's revolvers for being irresponsible in one episode) are never going to be in an anime other than Gunsmith cats.

>>88556238
Riding bean is literally just that

>>88556259

Riding bean is literally gunsmith cats though

>>88556234
Most do a passable at best, many others may as well be laser guns with the silly nonsense, gets worse when they try repeating some poorly translated nonsense fuddlore from an old issue of Soldier of Fortune to seem like they know what they are talking about.

I didn't say anime never does it right, sometimes they do an exceptional job but that's rare.

>>88556276
Riding Bean is way more fun though, and has a kickass soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V_wKwzaCkQ

>>88556164
Pretty sure it's only Germany, possibly Austria that are this anal about it.

>>88556183
Oh good, the weebs are here to inform us about grorious Nihon.
Plenty of euro cartoons and older American toons have real guns, but here we're talking about relatively modern US cartoons.

>>88556338

Who the fuck does a coordinated 5 man heist of a grocery store.

>>88555540
If you had a chance to have either a loud tinnitus machine with limited capacity and recoil or a relatively quiet lasegun that has no kick and enough shots to last until convenient towards the plot?

I love my guns but if I had a choice I'd be grabbing that if I hear a bump in the night or need to gaurd a shipment of questionably procured merchandise

>>88556238
>yeah, but not in an every day context.

almost like there aren't many japanese gun owners

>>88556527
Modern US cartoons are fucking shit though.

>>88556546
You could do like Lucky Luke and have canonically "just as large as the plot needs it" magazines.

>>88556572
Who gives a shit, they're the topic.
Jesus Christ you weebs can't fucking help yourselves can you.
Can't have one fucking thread on /co/ about the state of animation without some entry level weeb going "but in Japan"

>>88556125
>Give the same character a weird looking laser blaster and the kid will be satisfied with a nerf gun.

And more importantly, realistic guns are copyrighted, and have a stigma attached.

Make a gun design that's out there, eye-catching, and distinctive, and you've got a merch opportunity.

>>88556649
>he doesn't watch anime
Kill yourself.

>>88556673
I do watch anime and read manga, but I don't bring it up in unrelated discussions to wank about it.

It's pretty rare that a show just straight up uses recognizable firearms.

I remember Archer using tons of detailed real life guns but it's not really a kid's show.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Archer

>>88556753
Weebs' entire personalities and identities are built around anime, so when someone doesn't want to constantly talk about it they flip out.

>>88555682
Man, that mook looks so sad.

>>88557006

Call of Duty and Assassins creed is what kids learn violence from these days

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>>88557075
>Relaxing at a secret R&R base in the antarctic.
>suddenly a bunch of Joes show up
>Have to go outside in the freezing weather to fight

I would be sad too.

>>88556451
>a hate crime to show any depiction of Hitler or other high-ranking Nazi officials
>>88556451
>Germany Austria
nein nein nein
otherwise Germany wouldn't have so many Hitler-parodies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNBNK_pMy6I
the (political) use of swatiskas is not allowed

>>88556183
That's only because to the Japanese real guns are little more real than laser guns.

>>88555412
It really is a weird cultural norm.

I volunteered at a youth center in New Orleans for a while, and these kids all came up pretty rough so obviously guns were a big taboo.

There was tons of video games, but the people who ran the place made sure none of them were violent. And yet they still had Battlefront II, which has everything from assault rifles to tanks. When I asked why it was allowed, they pretty much said it was fine because it had lasers and was all fantasy.

Not that I was complaining, I fucking love that game.

>>88555930
There are some very special episodes that basically do that.

>>88556066
>Hitler is able to weaken Captain Planet just by staring at him

What a pussy. Captain Planet is the biggest jobber in the world. His weakness is the exact fucking thing he's supposed to fight.

>>88555412
>The Looney Tunes Show
Why did this show go in the overall realism direction anyway? I thought it was kind neat but the characters are jarring.

>>88557726

It was when super subdued western slice of life comedy was getting really popular.

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M16's are nothing. The fucking looney tunes show is the only kid's program to feature a picture perfect german tiger tank

>>88556066
What's hilarious is Hey Arnold only a couple years later actually showed a "flashback" of Grandpa kicking Adolph's ass, postage stamp stache and all. And not even dancing around who he was. I think they even showed the swastika arm band.

It's even a bumper for Splat.

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>>88558769

It's not a swastika, but it's something even funnier

>>88558769
Grandpa straight up calls him Hitler so they definitely weren't trying to hide it

>>88555835
laser casiings! Made of real solidified lasers and emitting laser smoke

>>88559173

Burnin that laser powder

The question is, once portable laser weapons become a thing will it still be allowed to replace regular guns with them? If not then what else?

>>88559286
Then we go back to showing regular guns in animation because who the fuck owns a regular gun when laser guns exist?

Incidentally, all of these old shows with goofy laser guns get banned by BS&P because they have harmful depictions of real life weaponry.

>>88558563
it also features the norwegian zeppelin occupation force

Because Censors are literally retarded.
Just recently Britain is making certain types of porn to be completely illegal like BDSM.

However BDSM is still legal in practice. So it's totally cool doing it, you just can't watch it.

>>88555791
Tracers that go ZAP.

>>88560211
Don't worry, when they get taken over by Muslims they'll cry to the Americans to save them, problem is that this time the Americans are just as emasculated as they are and that will be the end of Britain/England.

>>88555500
Is he shooting dogs?

>>88560999
He's not the ATF

>>88555412
It's not about censorship, it's about legally covering their ass. If the characters use weapons that don't exist then if little Jimmy watches it and then shoots up a school the parents have less legal grounds to sue for influencing little Jimmy's actions. If this sounds stupid that's because it is.

>>88556451
Even if it was just one country or two doing shit like that. It's a lot cheaper to just make one version you can show everywhere then having to make a whole new version for some places.

>>88556572
So is Pretty Pantyshot Heroines #78948. What's your point?

>>88555412
>>88555526
Perhaps this is a reason the trope is starting to fall wayside? Lasers are becoming closer and closer to reality. Nevermind kids can easily get a hold of a laser pointer and think "hey, this doesn't hurt" and shine it into another kids eyes.

Any kid that can get a hold of a gun either should damn well know it's not a toy or it's the fault of the damn adults.

This is one of those censorship things that I actually like, like hit flashes.

Laser guns make for cooler looking fight scenes anway, especially with large-scale battles


who doesn't like seeing good/evil color coded lasers flying everywhere?

>>88561589
>who doesn't like seeing good/evil color coded lasers flying everywhere?
They have never bothered me BUT I can't stand them in SW which is one of the franchises that uses it the most

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The only good Lasers are imperial lasers

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>>88556546
Sounds like you need a Cadian Pattern Imperial Lasgun.

>>88561740
This Salamander Marine knows what's up.

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Laser guns are far more interesting than real life guns. There's a reason why people like them in their cartoons.

>>88561791

>High heels

WHAT HERESY IS THIS

HOW WILL YOU HOLD THE LINE IF YOU CAN BARELY STAND

>>88556670
>realistic guns are copyrighted
What? If you mean patented most gun patents have expired long ago. I don't know of any copyrighted guns.

>>88555659
>I remember in an interview they said they could never show violence towards people, just robots, so they made a lot of villains use robot henchmen just so they could get destroyed in the most gruesome way possible.
...you killed Captain Clown...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KCJxXwq20U

I think part of it is also that it's more belivable to be hit by a laser and just be winded with maybe a minor burn. No gunshot wound.

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>>88558858
>frowny face for swastika
Pic related

>>88559070
Which is why it's funny. It's like Ted Turner was a pansy who thought kids couldn't handle anything that was mildly questionable.
>SWAT Kats
Oh wait!

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>>88561803
Nothing is better than Kraut Space Magic.

>>88561803

>An intense beam of light cooler than a small contained explosion projecting a piece of metal faster than the speed of sound

Are scififags really this delusional?

>>88555930
>Why not make a show where the characters have real guns, that do kill, so that kids get a show where there's real consequence from violence? You don't have to show gore or anything extreme. I'm pretty sure most kids know what death is by 6 or 7.
Anon, I...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf1vNNBdzJs

>>88561898
>he doesn't like seeing impossible shit in his cartoons
You're better off watching live action garbage, kid.

>>88559286
>portable laser weapons become a thing
Honestly that's not likely to happen for a very, very long time.
I mean we know how to make a laser gun already, we have the technology, if we wanted to we could make a functional railgun/lasergun right now, hell people on youtube already do.

The issue is battery technology, the power consumption required to make a hand held railgun or laser rifle lethal would be massive and modern day batteries are basically incapable of doing so in a small enough package, we'd need to carry fuck huge battery packs on our backs and that would give us only a handful of shots at most, you can carry hundreds of cartridges loaded into conventional magazines with a fraction of the space and weight. Until battery technology drastically improves we're not gonna start moving away from chemical based propellants.

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>>88561705
>That one episode of The Clone Wars where a small band of Hando's pirates defect against him.

>Coincidentally the defectors all had red blasters while the loyalists all had blue blasters.

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>>88556322
Not that anon, don't want to propagate an east vs west shitstorm, but...

While there are a lot of inaccurate depictions of guns in anime, it's because Japan has really super-strict gun laws and most people will never touch or see a gun outside of media their whole lives. The flipside of this tho, is that there are a handful of mangaka who HAVE gone through the herculean effort to get a Japanese gun license, and they're usually a lot more /k/-tier than most western artists when it comes to depicting firearms.

See: Rei Hiroe's Black Lagoon and Kenichi Sonoda's Gunsmith Cats, which is like 80% gun porn.

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>>88561803
>Energy weapon

>No sights

Every sci-fi

All of them

Without fail

WHY

It's fucking funny seeing guns being removed in anime dubs. YGOTAS had several jokes on the matter.

>STOP! OR WE'LL SHOOT YOUR WITH OUR INVISIBLE GUNS!

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>>88562103
>You will never own a short rail CZ-75

>>88555412
It's okay to use and shoot guns, as long as it's not explicitly stated to be directed at another human being. This scene was able to get away with it because we never actually SEE the soldiers who work for the enemy base, for all we know they could be shooting turrets.

>>88562125
>Handguns are pretty much illegal in Japan but it's perfectly legal to show them in children's anime
>Handguns are perfectly legal in a huge chunk of the US but they absolutely refuse to show them in cartoons
It's bizarre

>>88562115
To be fair, a big bright laser is going to be a lot easier to see where it's shooting and adjust accordingly.

>>88562092
well you see because the loyalists were good guys they had perfect aim therefore they were awarded with superior armory that allowed them to easily defeat the traitors

>>88562178
>huge chunk of the US
Where are they not legal? Even shitholes like California and NY allow pistol ownership, though restricted.

>>88562127
It's literally like 800 at most, hold off on other stuff like tendies in favor of lentils and Ramen and you'd be able to get one in like a year if you are a super poor fag.

>>88561855
thefuck is that picture

>>88555412

PPG had guns. Was pretty neat to have criminals and cops actually using real guns instead of stupid kid-friendly shit.

>>88562179

with sights you won't fucking need to shoot twice.

>>88555412
When I was a kid I just thought they did it because laser is overall cooler than bullets, and you can actually "see" laser "projectiles in the screen (while bullets are only seen when they hit their target), so they could have better-looking action scenes

>>88562281
SUPRESSING FIRE

>>88562281
It's as if you think laser guns are for shooting people, and not shooting in their general direction in a flashy display.

>>88562281
laser guns all have invisible laser sights.

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>>88562217
>It's literally like 800 at most
Nigga, where the fuck did you find a short rail CZ-75 for below $3000? Hell, where did you find a short rail at all, things are hella rare.

>>88559173
Maybe they are spent batteries.

>>88555412
I recall Spider-Man TAS explaining the street gangs having them due to Fisk and the police escalating in kind. Although given all the super scientists it makes sense they would be fairly available. I've always wanted to see an AU where someone takes superscience and actually has it spread.

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Why not have both?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4mICKA7wLM

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>>88562425
>Gorilla Warfare

>>88562218
No clue, had it for months, forgot what the thread was that I got it from.

>>88555412
Cause kids can't just grab their daddy's laser gun and shoot themselves because, unlike an actual gun, he probably doesn't have one.

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Generally comedy shows can have real guns but actions shows can't.


Also, there's a visual compromise within many action shows like 80s GI Joe or 2003 TMNT:

They can look like real guns but they have to fire lasers instead of bullets
OR
They can fire bullets(or make realistic gun sounds) as long as they don't look particularly like real gun models.

>>88562178

I think it's for the same reason that it's fine to show laser guns: a Japanese kid probably has zero chance of encountering a gun in real life, so there's no risk of them grabbing daddy's revolver to do the cool trick their hero did on the TV show.

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>>88562451
>Not teaching your kids the importance of firearms safety once they're old enough to figure out how your safe works
Yeah, at the same time why don't I just write "candy" on all my pills and leave them on the kitchen table?

>>88561589
Fuck you, hit flashes are annoying and disorienting. Brave and the Bold sucks on rewatches because of them.

how the fuck was the looney tunes show able to get away with showing both real guns AND real bullets but most action shows can't even do both?

>>88562557
Context and tone, not hard to figure out.

>>88562425
I appreciated the mix in Beast Wars.

>>88562582
But action shows should be allowed to do both.

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>>88562482
IIRC Avengers EMH had to choose between having actual Nazis or realistic looking guns, they chose the latter having Hydra completely the replace the Nazis.

>>88562526
>tfw I had to go to an intensive five day gun safety course just to get a hunting license
>tfw I've gone hunting exactly twice since but still have the lessons drilled into my head
>Don't point guns at anything you're not willing to destroy, always be aware of what's behind whatever you want to shoot up to a mile or more away
>Always be absolutely aware of whether your gun is loaded
>Always leave safety on and point gun straight upwards when not in use
>Treat gun like safety is always off anyway cuz mechanical failure is a bitch
>tfw I find out most people don't even have to fucking take a weekend course to own handguns that're more powerful, carry more rounds and are easy to carry and conceal
What the fuck is wrong with people. I don't ever want to hear another horror story about kids finding their parents' loaded guns, because as much as that sucks, I can't help but think "WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU LEAVE YOUR GUN LYING AROUND LOADED?!"

>>88562115
Actually, Star Wars has sights.

Just few characters use them.

>>88561919
Not that anon. But I knew exactly what that video was going to be before opening. Shame they never aired the original version since.

>>88562482
TMNT 2003 is the oddest thing where it simultaneously got away with a lot (bishop getting impaled on a hook), yet felt censored to heck anyway

>>88555412
>>88562309
There's also the situation where animators think every bullet works like a tracer round.

>>88555412
They didn't. It's just plausible deniability, especially since laser weapons are effectively banned in modern warfare (their most effective use is to blind, and apparently it's more human to blow people to Kingdom Come than to rob them of eyesight; because we have to have wars at all).

>>88561934
our lasers are only 50 years old
we all know how effective guns were in 1550

we just gotta believe that our technology will make portable laser tech, and even if it doesnt pan out, our drive to kill people with light will force us to continually improve batteries, so dont be so pessimistic, believe in lasers

>>88562839
Some people do leave a loaded gun just laying around in case of home invasion. The weapon is loaded, ready to go, and all you have to do is turn the safety off. Which in an intense situation like a home invasion you are much less likely to fuck up compared to loading the gun, putting a round in the chamber, and more than likely making so much noise you give your position away.

>>88563096
the reason no one uses sights is because the costumes and props were too clumsy to aim in

its doubly funny, because hans gun has a a scope because the flared barrel made the sights useless, but han never aimed down thw sight anyway

>>88564148
Han's pistol also had pretty dramatic recoil.

>>88564018
I'm not saying they won't exist, but we won't start moving towards them until they have a significant advantage over current chemical based propellants, which requires a huge buff to batteries.
I doubt we'll see them in our lifetimes.

>>88564201
its apparently a "heavy blaster pistol", the biggest weapon you can carry in one hand

so han uses a something like .44 or deagle. maybe its for intimidation? (which would make han an enemy of /k/)

Lasers have animation advantages as well. It's much easier to see a giant beam of light than a tiny bullet, so you can make it clearer to the audience what's going on. For example, with a normal bullet, you have to use a lot of animation tricks to show a character just barely dodging a shot. With lasers, you can just show a character jumping out of the way.

>>88564258
Not to mention launching a physical projectile at high speed is still the best way to impact energy into a target.

>>88564306
Maybe he uses it because with all the different species out there he could get into a fight with, he wants to be sure whatever he puts down stays down. If you go bear hunting and you take a handgun as a back up in case it charges at you, you're not taking a little 9mm.

I think in terms of how often shootings happen now-a-days, I don't really blame them for moving away from actual guns. Also laser guns are pretty cool.

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>censorship bureau
Idiocy aside, big networks all drank the same kool-aid. The "psychologists" they consulted said they shouldn't put violence that kids can emulate.

Knives, guns, axes, household items - bad.
Dynamite, lasers, boulders, over-the-top items - good.

>>88564958
Did I mention none of these studies showed any correlation, let alone causation, between violence in cartoons and violence in children?

This "risk of imitation" is purely hypothetical.

>>88555500
Remember that time Santa Clause got shot twice in the fucking chest?

>>88562127
>>88562398

So what? The most iconic version of the cz 75 was produced for, what, 17 minutes? The only reason it got such spotlight in the manga was because the producers wanted an apparent "super ultra master gun" to make Rally appear even more of a cut above the rest.

It's a special snowflake gun, which I don't have time for. Even if it was the pinnacle of handgun design, what's the point when you can't find any parts for it?

>>88564958
>>88564988
It's a safe assumption that if a kid sees a real gun like they have at home in a cartoon, they might try to act out a scene with daddy's revolver. Not necessarily intentionally firing the weapon, but playing with it as if it were a toy and it going off is a possibility. I mean, it has happened. Regardless, it's one of those "better safe than sorry" things.

Don't think this means I'm against a gun going "BANG BANG" vs. "ZAP ZAP." That's an asinine difference. Most households don't own military grade weapons anyways.

>>88565250
>I don't understand why people would want rare and interesting firearms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De2SuYAjrdY

>>88562179
If anyone agrees here they shouldn't be playing shooter games anymore or ever.

>>88565752

So you can do what? Stroke and cradle it every time you sit down to read or watch whatever it was that lured you into obsessing over it? If you're paying 3 grand for a gun you can't ever find parts for, you're gonna be too worried to enjoy it like you really want to.

>>88566206
Tacticool shooters anyways. Which are inferior anyways.

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>>88566585
>He doesn't regularly take his guns out just to cuddle with them

>>88562179
you know lasers dont actually make viable beams right?

>>88566908
Are you now telling me a sci-fi raygun uses real lasers?

>>88562218
>>88562449
It's from something on Newgrounds, I remember watching it but I don't remember the name.

>>88566932
star wars blasters are supposedly plasma

they also have definite advantages over bullets
a single pack contain ~100-200 blasts, they penetrate armor (plastoid only slightly protects from blasters, but is really good against slugthrowers), their blasts produce small explosions (rebels go down to near-misses that hit the wall)

>>88566585
Different thoughts regarding guns, if everyone thought like that everyone would have a polymer frame double stack pistol, a semiautomatic rifle in an intermediate caliber and a shotgun. Maybe a bolt action .308

>>88567007
As far as i remember one negative point is that blasters are less effective against jedi. Correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm fairly sure that trying to reflect a slug shot with a lightsaber would only result in getting a facefull of hot metal.

On the other hand they can just use the force to send the bullets back.

>>88562839
While I agree, if kids have access to a gun, even locked up they probably will eventually get into it, most you can do is teach them to respect the power behind a firearm and general responsibility.

>>88567297
I don't think a single jedi is demonstrated as having enough skill to rip a bullet out of air mid-flight. Though maybe their predictive skills would allow them to dodge a shot.

I assume it just doesn't come up since gunpowder weapons are archaic as fuck to them and nobody thought to try.

>>88562178
I think it's because there's a shitload of anti-gun lobbyists in the US trying to do the same to guns in media that has happened to cigarettes. Since Japan already has extreme gun control, they don't really care about their depiction.

>>88567378
Probably. Gunpowder weapons are likely more expensive than blasters to mass produce, but it would make some sense for a bounty hunter or jedi/sith hunter, alongside other kinds of gear like vibroblades and such.

>>88567489
according to the (non-canon) FFG books, slugthrowers are inferior to blasters in everway except cost

>>88561589

Blue light has more energy than red one.
Does that mean that the blue lasers are more powerful? They don't just rreplace them for convenient coding, like football dresses.

>>88556066
I wonder what would happen if stalin stared at him.

>>88567378
I read a Mace Windu book once where some gangsters attack him with slug throwers. Either he dodges or the lightsaber just vaporizes the bullets. He then wrecked their shit because he's Mace Windu.

>>88567489
If you're a person who goes against force sensatives a lot then sonic weapons are your best chance can't deflect it and the concussive force can stop them from using force powers if it near-misses or doesn't kill.

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>>88561862
>that webm
>mfw I will never shoot let alone own one of those majestic creatures
/k/ has ruined me.

>>88567679
What is it?

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>>88567679
If it makes you feel better I know your pain
>tfw you will never own or fire a VSS Vintorez

>>88567728
K11, highly experimental West German gun, unique for using caseless ammunition.

>>88567728
>>88567744
Sorry, mean G11

>>88567744
Do you mean the G11?

>>88567728
the G11
a rare gun, that looks really futuristic depsite being made in the 80/90s, it uses a P90 style mag, and uses the unique caseless round, no shell casing just a bullet embedded in propellant.

it looks damn cool, and its caseless rounds means no brass being ejected, as well as carrying a crapload of rounds

>>88567673
That sounds pretty neat, what other weapons/items made to fight jedi are out there?

>>88567522
Huh. was expecting them to have some utility, but its just like the stubbers vs. lasguns in warhammer 40k (except the stubbs are cheaper).

>>88555723
>magazines

FINALLY, someone who fucking knows.

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>>88567744
>VSS Vintorez
Molot may be making a version for the civilian market but it won't be in 9x39 nor will it be suppressed. I just hope it gets through those godawful importation laws.

>>88567803
And with it having no ejection port it also means it would be more reliable/less likely to jam.

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>ITT: /k/ visits /co/

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>>88567887
>it won't be in 9x39 nor will it be suppressed
At that point it's just an SBR AK, what's the point?

>>88567930
In theory at least, without ejecting brass to act as a heat sink the guns had a tendency to overheat very quickly which led to cook offs quite a bit, and early caseless ammo wasn't all that great as it tended to crumble.

Granted they managed to figure out fixes for these problems later on but by that point the reunification of Germany took a lot of money away from production so finally the idea of caseless ammo and the G11 was scrapped

As the old joke goes "they gave us a choice between reunifying Germany or fixing the G11, we went with the cheaper option"

>>88567958
>implying there aren't /k/ommandos who secretly lurk /co/ and this thread is for them to vent their autism somewhere else
I'm one of them.

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Someone fucking post some guns from cartoons.

>>88567987
Aesthetics I guess.

>>88567838
Depends on the skill of the opponent a flamethrower or carbonitethrower can screw them over but some can block that shit. Shotguns, and blaster "shotguns," can make it hard to dodge or deflect, especially extreme close range, but that's lightsaber range. Sniper weapons, mines/hidden explosives, but those could be sensed. Gas but they have force powers and training for that. Hell some assholes, like Vader, can absorb blaster weapons fire with their bodies so just hope you fight padawns and crappy adepts.

>>88568123
Jay, what the fuck is that?

>>88568145
>shotguns

Fuck, a motley group of pricks with automatic shotguns would easily fuck a Jedi/Sith's day up.

>>88568761
Unless he pulls the gun out of your hands. Then you have an angry Jedi with a shotgun.

That's the crappy thing with fighting Jedi you have to study the prick you want because for all you know he has any number of powers or intelligent enough to do something. Hell, some Mando once wrecked the shit out of the Jedi with a full auto sonic minigun thing, it made him deaf but he didn't care, until one Jedi made a helmet that protected his ears and then kicked his ass. So even if you find something that works they eventually learn.

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> inna 90's
> Exosquad
> XMEN
> even Batman The Animated Series
all realistic guns
then the heavy-weight strolled in

> Captain Planet
Basically the first 5 minutes
https://youtu.be/qeKtUHWi7WQ

>>88569585
Damn, really pushing those Shaggy and Velma cameos

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>>88555412
What about guns that shoot magic?

>>88556572
I disagree. Most cartoons, much like most movies, books, shows, and all other forms of media, are terrible. Needles and haystacks, my man.

>>88561589
I prefer explosions and hits with punch over neon streaks of light, honestly.

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>>88567887
I recognize that picture.

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>>88560136

I just remember they did the laser bullshit until like 2010 when Regular Show started. I remember it featured guns, even the occasional RPG.

It used to blow my little kid mind when they would actually show real guns in cartoons.

>>88567576
>Blue light has more energy than red one.
>Does that mean that the blue lasers are more powerful?


Good always triumphs over evil.
Pottery.

>>88562218
God knows its been around for years

>>88570819
Is that a breech loading gun

>>88561823
It's a back up weapon obviously, when the heretics get into melee range, when she kicks them, she also stabs them. Ironically it's a tactic favored by chaos, who put bayonets on everything from pistols, to anti-tank guns, to pinnacle mounter storm bolters on their rhinos.

>>88573190
It's a gun that literally fires little canisters containing magic spells. It's called a "caster", because 90's anime.

>>88561589
It ruined the Regular Show Movie scenes where Mordecai and Rigby shot and killed each other, and again when Ross and Mordecai were shooting everyone else.


To anyone thinking guns are more usable now, they're not. CN was in an experimental era when Regular Show got to do it, the show lasted into this current era where they can't use real guns anymore, just lasers. One real gun was finally shown in a recent episode but it wasn't used, it just came out of a VCR deck.

>>88570819
I feel like this gun didn't live up to its potential.

>>88562178
Well, in Japan a kid is unlikely to get his hands on a gun to play with. Meanwhile in America, with so many guns around a third of world's mass shootings happen there, a kid has more guns to play with readily available.
Nevermind that kids will buy toy guns the moment they can. My mother never got us any gun-like toys, so we got them ourselves with our pocket money. If we were only allowed building blocks, we'd make guns out of LEGOs.

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CYKA Blyat!

>>88575450
Meanwhile, cap guns in Japan have a shit ton more gunpowder and no orange cap. Nearly went deaf when a friend got one and fired it in his tiny Japanese apartment.

>>88567522
>slugthrowers are inferior to blasters in everway except cost

And the fact they're much easier to maintain and keep working. Put a blaster in a muck covered jungle and even after cleaning it'll never work again. Slugthrowers will still work after that.

>>88568145
>Sniper weapons, mines/hidden explosives, but those could be sensed.

Are they like newtypes where they sense the intent of the person using it and if so would using a droid prevent that since no organic brain to sense?

>>88576364
depends, some blasters are tough enough, maybe not as tough, but good enough to shoot the locals

>>88573190
Yeah, you load each shell one at a time in the back.

>>88562115
Because it'd ruin the aesthetic thrust of the weapon, usually.

They're not designing these things to be useful, they're designing them to look cool and suit character.

>>88576408
Sort of, the force is weird. It can be he sees the future, has (near literal) lightning reflexes, or can sense intent or all three. Many Jedi didn't sense order 66 (but they never considered that) bit some did, again depends on who it is.

>>88576364
Literally the opposite in 40k the lasgun's only maintenance is to clear the barrel and after ~10,000 shots a tech-priest needs to change the focusing crystal.

>>88577512
star war blasters are also pretty proven tech, with the reliability problems having been solved way back in the old republic

>>88557726
To try something different. The characters have been used in the exact same roles over and over for the past 70 years.

>>88577512
Well good thing we're not talking about 40K then.

>>88561934
Which is exactly what the one Joe with an actual frickin' laser had. Why they chose to call him Flash and the bazooka specialist Zap though I'll never know.
>>88567378
Really? Straight from gunpowder to blasters with no intermediate tech? What about coilguns?
(Those would go a ways toward solving the Joe lasers actually. So many railgun designs use the pointless energy discharge effect.)

>>88555412
Didn't PPG have proper guns in its first few seasons?

>>88567803
>>88567930
Caseless rounds are a white elephant. Shell cases have always acted as disposable heat sinks even if no one thought of them that way. Without that even your infantry rifle heats up too much, like a machine gun.

>>88562103
In the extras for the Gunsmith Cats OVA there's a little footage of the production team going to Guam to do gun research.

'merika!

>>88567803

it also has a fucking RIDICULOUS rate of fire

it fires so fast you can get bursts out before the recoil even makes it's way to your shoulder

>>88575450

if guns are already a big part of life for people from childhood to adulthood in America, how exactly does it make sense to make remove them from the media?

the only way is education and safety from the earliest age possible.

also considering the gun availability in the rest of the world, the fact that so FEW shootings happen in America says more about the other aspects of society that birth that kind of violence.

>>88561862
Woah, just what the fuck is this? And why hasn't it been made for public use?

>>88583818
Caseless ammunition and because it is ungodly expensive and niche and that is before that ammo. Also the ATF are cunts and would probably try and kill it for reasons.

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>>88583908
>>88583818
It also relies on literal german clockwork autism for the loading to work correctly because each bullet needed to be individually re-aligned 90 degrees. This creates, reliability issues.

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>>88560999
He's not ATF

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>>88583818
>>88583908

the US Army is developing the L-SAT to replace alll automatic weapons with an universal, caseless light machinegun.

just like every rifleman became an automatic rifleman, now every rifleman will be an automatic machinegunner.

>>88560211
I thought it was legal to watch it and practice it but not to actually film it.

Generally they switch to fake guns to appease retard soccer moms after a big shooting has happened and everyone's really on-edge.

Beware the Batman went from real guns to nerf-looking "pulse guns" after the theater killing.

>>88564306
The DL-44 is criminalized because it's a blaster pistol specifically capable of puncturing stormtrooper armor

it's at least .44 magnum-tier, yeah