phantom rider

>>88514753
Then you're in luck, he's not a rapist anymore.
He's just an overbearing possessive boyfriend who Mockingbird murdered to get rid of. Clint was just being delusional that he got cucked.

>>88514810
Yeah, she simply murdered him to cover up the fact she was cheating on Clint, the 'rape' thing becomes just a cover story.

Girl Power.

>>88514877
But it makes sense, only weak women can be raped. Mockingbird is stronger than that.

>>88514753
It wasn't Carter, so it doesn't matter.

>>88514903
Op here. I may not really believe mockingbird, buy not all rape victims are weak

Isn't the writer of mockingbird a total sociopath who had like 3 or 4 guys get randomly murdered by a teenage mutant girl but the comic totally glossed over their deaths because "people aren't talking about tampons"?

>>88515118
Oh my god do you actually believe strong women can be raped? It's 2016, there's no place for Misogynist MRAs like you in the world anymore.

>>88515226
But anon, there is an entire genre of movies built around this premise.
"Rape and Revenge"
Woman gets raped then bounces back and murders all the dudes that raped her like an unstoppable horror movie monster.

>>88515456
Typical sexist male fantasy, those days are over grandpa.

>>88515226
Of course I can believe it, anyone can get raped

>>88515173
Fortunatly she is no lin we writing Mockingbird, her run was canceled.her last issue took mockingbird on a cruise through the Burmuda Triangle with a bunch of the writers faux nerd friends. Phantom rider comes in to try and get Mockingbrid back despite the fact that she murdered him, but she and The Pretensious Protland Posers kick home ass without issue because he writter needed the shit out of his powers to turn him in to punching back FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE. He manages to grab her and drag her into the ocean with him, she is then saved by, and I'm not kidding, mercorgis.

>>88516746
I have no idea what anything you just typed means.

Casuals don't know the difference between Carter and Lincoln.

>>88516968
Mockingbird the heroine goes on a superhero themed cruise.
The people on the cruise are presumably based on the author's friends a bunch of portland nerds who'd resemble portland nerds
They all use their cringey "nerd skills" to beat a superpowered ghost.
Said ghost drags Bobbi into the ocean.
Bobbi is then saved by a pack of Corgis with fish tails.

>>88517048
Lincoln was the one that made the Emancipation Proclamation, Carter was kind of lame in comparison.

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I'm gonna pseudo story time the last issue of Caine's Mocking bird run. I'm not going to start from the beginning, all you need to know is the Bobbi is on a cruise with a bunch of "nerds" who are friends with Caine in real life.

Look at this line up, absolutely none of these people would get their heads blown off immediately by a paranormal gunman.

>>88517303
>that lonely black guy

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>>88517303
Spade calls up on his phantom horse to come to his aid and our heros are completely uninterested, quips are what they would prefer to do, rather than, I don't know, get ready to fight.

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>>88517344
The first bozo in the ridiculous Canada costume gets a totally kewl and hip DnD intro before attempting a front flip and falling flat on his ass, you'd think this would serve as a prelude to how illprepared these jokers are to deal with a ghost cowboy. You hope this guy would get his ass kicked after this, but he's just swapped aside for the next loser.

>>88517344
>the guy who designed Eberron
Wow. Wonder what /tg/ thinks of him, is he a huge faggot?

>>88517402
>Marc Mohan is the lead film critic for The Oregonian, and the former owner of the pioneering DVD rental shop Video Vérité. Born in Wisconsin, he graduated from Beloit College in 1991 with a degree in Philosophy and Creative Writing, and immediately moved to Portland. Marc has written about film and books for The Oregonian since 1998. His work has also appeared in The Portland Mercury and Salon.com. He is also an avid Marvel comic book collector and tabletop gamer.

>>88517423
Eberron is alright, but it's just a kitchen sink setting with no depth in worldbuilding.

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>>88517402
Some dweeb named Roderick is next up with his "Hulk" costume. He charges the phantom with the intention of punching I guess. However he's...pushed aside? Dodged? I can't tell the action is weird.

Then we're treated to two sisters who must be in their late 20's acting like 5 year olds. Understandably this freaks the fuck out of the ghost horse

>>88517142
How can anyone read that and believe "Yes, this is good. I'm gonna write a gazillion number of articles about this book and how it is good and how it's awful that it got justifiably cancelled" ?
Everything you wrote is horrible.

>>88517523
Seems to be a side step, but incredibly fast.

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>>88517523
Ginger Thor is up next after Phantom Rider inexplicably can't seem to shoot what's right in front of him. Ginger Thor then manages to start horse whispering to the ghost horse.

>>88517465
>Portland
>Salon.com
wew

>>88517523
>The Doubleclicks made a video for their song "Nothing to Prove" about acceptance of women in geek culture.[7][13][14] The video featured appearances from celebrities including Kelly Sue DeConnick, Wil Wheaton and Adam Savage—and was covered in print and online media, gaining over 1 million views on YouTube.

>It is a response to the misogynist concept of the "fake geek girl" and the subsequent bullying and gatekeeping prevalent within the geek community.

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>>88517592
The ghost horse the fucks off because Ginger Thor said it could. Apparently he's good with animals so he was able to break the bond between a cowboy and his horse with the most basic bullshit.

>>88517631
>>88517592
That's probably a reference to how he tells women to be free from patriarchy

>>88517592
>I'll shoot all of you. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
What riveting dialogue.

>>88517402
Holy shit. This is literally a big inside joke between Caine and her friends. The entire comic's artistic integrity (or what was left) got thrown out the window simply because the writer decided to include her group of friends.
I suffer for the artists that probably has no idea who the fuck these peoples are and who's stuck in drawing for this shitty comic for a meager paycheck.

>>88517626
> Their biggest achievements in their music career is getting 1 million view on Youtube.
Wew lad.

>>88517592
The horse does seem to be freaking out

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>>88517631
This cowboy and his horse were bound by spirit, can't have that, Caine just gets rid of that shit so that this formerly dangerous villian won't threaten her friends even in fiction. Oh also CORGI ATTACK! OMG so cute <3!!!! I like Corgi's as much as the next guy, but this lady is obsessed. Anyway, the corgi's are some how enough of a threat that they make Slade drop his gun.

>>88517303
>>88517344
>>88517402
>>88517523
>>88517592
>>88517631
Holy shit. It's too bad people felt the need to make a fuss about this book and its feminist agenda or whatever, otherwise the terrible writing alone would have sunk it of its own accord.

I can't believe anyone defends this shit.

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>>88517700
Clearly this was a stealth pitch for Phantom Rider to get into the next Marvel fighting game. Imagine hearing that over and over again during a corner loop. BLISS.

>>88517303
Boring front poses for first panel, babbys first perspective drawing for second
>>88517344
You know whats fun in comics? Watching people be totally bored by incredible things happen. Look at those nerds acting so cool. They must all be super cool
>>88517402
WHAT DYNAMIC ACTION YOU CAN REALLY FEEL THAT HE THINKS HE PULLED SOMETHING
>>88517523
More dynamic action. Such dynamic.
>>88517592
"I'LL SHOOT ALL OF YOU HAHAHAHAHAHA but I guess I'll just watch this guy fuck with my horse for a bit because all you nerds is so cool"
>>88517631
Wow that guy is so good with animals its like very day people can be super too ya kno???
>>88517902
OH NO NOT THE DOGE'S. Srsly, not the dogs. That man has a gun. Those dogs could get hurt.

So...Marvel is selling this? If this was a cute Christmas present from 1 artist to a group of his friends, there would be absolutely no issue.

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>>88517902
Slade finally gets his shit together and gets the annoying mutts off of him. He rises up and starts his villainous mologue about how he won't lose her and all that. But she doesn't have time for that, she's got a plan, and the British twat threatens the cruise with a bad yelp review.

>>88517993
>and the British twat threatens the cruise with a bad yelp review
It's inconsistent tone like this that really pisses me off. Are we supposed to be afraid of this flying gun-wielding dude or not?

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>>88517993
OH BOY YOU GUYS A FLOWCHART!!! If there's anything that vastly improves an action comic, it's a flowchart shoved in middle in a vain attempt to be witty.

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>>88518073
Slade for some reason doesn't swoop in an get Bobbi while she's distracted by her mental flowchart. Instead, he decides to try and get some of the pretentious hipsters on the cruise to subdue her for him, this doesn't work out because their pretentious hipsters, what would they help anyone?

Finally having enough of this shit, he decides to summon zombie pirates to his aid (why not start with this?)

>>88517908
>It's too bad people felt the need to make a fuss about this book and its feminist agenda or whatever
Except people didn't. You just bought the media's narrative. They started spinning this "misogynerds hated this book because feminism!" when the book sunk.

Most people hated it because of the writing, especially in the third issue, but the last issue and some other instances as well. Even Tumblr hated it for the "not rape anymore" bullshit.

>>88518054
Also, I don't think we're suppose to take him seriously, in fact there was an interview with Caine where she outright states she needed him and made him a joke. I do not have a link unfortunately

>>88518144
>Hulk supporters!
>Wait... the Hulk is dead?!

Fuck, even Chelsea Cain knows these people are fake fans and don't read comics.

>>88518073
Oh boy just like my eckskayceedees

>>88517902
>This cowboy and his horse were bound by spirit, can't have that
Just how many things has Chelsea Cain retconned or ignored in order to create her Mockingbird self-insert fanfiction?

>>88518203
You can still make him a joke without making him totally non-threatening. He's already fired his guns like a bajillion times without hitting anyone and let a fat guy without pants steal the horse right out from under him.

When the heros inevitably win, who will care? What challenge has been surmounted?

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>>88518144
Oh no spoopy skellingtons! Oh wait their progressive feminist, never mind their friends to everyone, which begs the question "why come out in the first place if they weren't going to do anything?"

Slade, understandably, decides that this shit is getting stupid and walks to the bow of the boat to contemplate shit

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>>88518403
No Bobbi,you murdered Slade, and made Clint think you'd been sexually violated. You manipulated them both for your own convenience, and you deserve that punch to the face.

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>>88518403
How do skeletons get Feminist literature delivered to them underwater

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>>88518468
Oh no, our friend's been punched overboard! Better espouse some pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo to try and sound smart! Science rules!

>>88518468
This writer really doesn't give a fuck about men being murdered. its like a non-issue for them

>>88518403
Wow. Just wow.

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>>88518511
And in case you thought I was kidding about this women's obsession with Corgis, she made up mercorgis. MERCORGIS! That is one of the most aggregious "lol so randumb" moments I have ever had the displeasure of looking at

That's the end. Thank god this shit got canned. Now we should all pray the same fate befalls Henderickson's Squirrel Girl and Letha's Hellcat. May 2017 be even better than 2016

>>88518403
I get that the whole thing is an entire joke. That we are not supposed to take it seriously.
I'm just saying that this is awful.

>>88518488
They were extras from Pirates of the Caribbean. When they tried to complain to Disney about representation/ Get a raise, Disney walked them off the plank.

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>>88518577
lol so random

>>88518718
I know how it's spelled, I made a deliberate decision to spell it that way.

>>88518825
Wasn't correcting you, spergtard. I was agreeing with you.

>>88518403
>We're progressive feminists
What does that have to do with not killing people? Feminism isn't the same thing as pacifism, you twit

>>88518468
>He told himself that you had drugged me, taken advantage of me.
>But he never truly believed it.
>It's too ridiculous.
>He knows that I've always made my own decisions.
HOLY SHIT DID SHE JUST IMPLY THAT WOMEN WHO GET RAPED ARE THOSE WHO CAN'T MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK

>>88519275
I dated a girl in college. She was super into actualization and calling her own shots and grrl power, etc etc.

After we broke up, she started going out to bars and drinking more. She got drugged (read as: got too drunk to say no) and raped like 4 times. She would always come back to me crying about how she didn't know why it kept happening.

Strong womyn have a limited understanding of the true nature of power and just how much power they actually have. Western women live in a world where if they say something rude to a stranger on the street, they don't expect to be punched in the face or otherwise physically confronted.

>>88519540
So she needed to become stronger. Lift all the weights and develop a resistance to drugs.

>>88519657
She was never drugged. The hangover from date rape drugs is like 2-3 days long. She was just a drunk and a slut. She should have just accepted that aspect of her personality so she could have grown as a person and stopped bugging me for rides home from shitty bars.

>>88519540
are you implying anyone should have to expect to be punched or physically confronted for "being rude" to a stranger?

>>88519756
Those who have power over others will act based on what they see as beneficial to themselves. The weak are at their mercy.

>>88519756
Are you implying people aren't punched or physically confronted for "being rude" to a stranger? Of course not, that would be a tough thing to believe. So why are you trying to steer the conversation in that direction?

>>88519847
now you've done it
here comes a paragraph of abnormal psych cliff notes and armchair analysis

>>88519756


....they might not be but as someone who isnt the guy you were talking to, yeah i do.

if some person i dont know whatsoever starts getting in my face theyre getting a firm shove out of my face at the very least, what fucking world do you live in?

....I'm Canadian btw this isnt even in our nature.

>>88518873
okay.

>>88517993
Time to give this man the Yelp special.

>>88518511
>friend gets punched and thrown overboard
>obviouse non scientists work out some weird ass Mumbo jumbo while the twin twats high five.
>British twat yells her name to the heavens (I think, the font isn't big enough to look like it's yelling)
>no one thinks to try and save her.

With friends like these

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Op here. Now I feel guilty for supporting a rapist. Her rape is no different from Ms marvels and I shouldn't have been biased against mockingbird like that.
But at the sane time they should stop turning heroes into rapists or abusers like rider or hank pym, because now those of us who liked them will look like monsters.
Please. Stop, unless it's watchmen or something please don't turn older heroes into sick people

>>88521054
If it makes you feel better, anon, the real Ghost/Phantom Rider is not a rapist. Just like Peter Parker is not a man who can sell his marriage to the devil, Gwen Stacy is not a cheater, Hank Pym is not a wife abuser, and Steve Rogers is not HYDRA.

Love the characters you love the way you remember them, and don't let edgy tryhard writers ruin your favorite characters for you.

>>88517048

Yup. Any excuse to hate on women comics seems like

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>>88521291

>>88521054

Pym isn't a rapist or really an abuser

>>88521221
I remember I was a preteen during that time with spidey. I tried to support his decision because of my blind devotion to peter, but deep down I wasn't comfortable with it at all.
Also how do I redeem myself to women? I feel bad for supporting soneone who'd be considered by women on the same level as purple man

>>88521421
What I meant was Misogynistic crines in general. After that slap, people hated pym. They made him even worse in ultimate marvel

>>88521438
If you didn't support or justify the rape itself, you should be fine.

>>88521438
Clearly, suicide is the only answer.

>>88522091
Suicide for what
>>88521697
No I didn't support or justify it. I'll be honest I wasn't too happy with mocking bird but then I realized I was being inconsiderate

>>88522570
You can dislike the character Mockingbird, that doesn't mean you approve of the rape.

>>88522774
No I meant I was immaturely upset at her for supposedly letting this happen.i used to like her a bit before hand. But the I stopped, thought, remembered how my own girlfriend was raped and how many of my associates claimed that she wanted it, then I came to my senses and wasn't upset at her anymore. However at no point was I happy with what Lincoln did. I'm Also Annoyed At The writers

>>88522875
You shouldn't be upset at people for getting raped, just like you shouldn't be upset at people for getting mugged or killed. Shit happens.

>>88523128
Yeah you're right. I feel bad for that autistic kneejerk reaction i had yo what happened to her. The real problem js lincoln and the writers.Anyway to redeem myself?

>>88523231
You don't need to redeem yourself. You just take this into account and learn, that's the way to self-improvement.

>>88523364
Yeah thanks anon, I won't treat one character's rape as any less important than anothers

>>88517142

Oh.

Well, that's perfectly reasonable. Most Bermuda Triangle stories have Aliens and Dinosaurs.

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>>88518577


I want to commit murder. Right now. Lots and lots of murder.

>>88516746
>that weird obsession with corgis
GERMAN SHEPHERD LIVES MATTER! Where's mah representation?

>>88514753
HES A FUCKING WHITE MALE

>>88518203
Why is it whenever a woman tries to write a rapist villain (I know Cane retconned it, but you get what I'm saying, right?) in cape stories, they're always a joke?

>>88518403

the skeleton joke is perfect because it's so off hand and harmless but people get SO WORKED UP

>>88526596
You're not fooling anyone Chelsea.

>>88514753
>I always liked him as a character, and when I found out he supposedly raped mockingbird

I don't know who the hell you're trying to fool with this, because it's fucking 2016, "Ghost Rider" was only ever an relevant character in the fucking 60s, and the rape storyline happened in the fucking 80s. And just about every storyline about the Phantom Rider since has touched on it.

This is obvious shitposting. It's functionally impossible to know who the Phantom Rider is and not know him as "that dude that raped Mockingbird"

>>88521054
The original phantom rider wasn't a rapist so there's that.
On the other hand ever time phantom rider shows up it's Lincoln.

>>88527870
That's not true, Hamilton showed up for years as part of the rangers before they killed him off in the Hawkeye/Mockingbird mini from a few years back.

>>88527991
>>88527870
A possessed cowboy with spooky powers sounds neat, so I'm not sure why isn't used more. Maybe just make an ANAD one that is a half-Indian rancher girl if CURRENT YEAR is a problem.

>>88518577
While I hated it as much as you, I would like to point out that at the beginning of the arc, the map of where she was going had "isle of the mercorgis" or some such marked on her map, so she at least set it up before hand.

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>>88527087
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>>88527991
Guys, Carter Slade appeared in Ghost Racers as an zombie-centaur-cowboy-spirit-of-vengeance-with-Gatling-guns.

>>88521438
Purple Man did literally nothing wrong, so there's that.

>>88530109
Yes I know it was established at the beginning of the story, that isn't my issue. My issue is that it is there at all, it is only there, like everything else in this issue, as a means of stroking Cain's ego.

Such nonsensical humor can be pulled off if it's purpose is solely to be needlessly random (this is VERY hit or miss though), this "humor" is masterbatory.

>>88518403
I like how at the final panel he's just given up on everything since the whole plot is retarded.

>>88527087
>I can't like classic characters
Ok. Mind you, after the first ghost rider movie that made me curious about carter slade. That's why I looked him up and found him slightly cool, because I liked cowboys like Jonah hex, woody, or mccree from overwatch.
I never cared much about the west coast avengers so it was awhile before I found out about that weord rape story. Mind you that was Lincoln slade, not carter. That's why I started this thread. People like you who look at the identity overall aa a rapist. Lincoln fucked it all up
>>88531771
Now this is shitposting

>>88521438
>Also how do I redeem myself to women?
Holy shit, grow a spine you white knight faggot.

>>88534508
Kek it's not white knighting

>>88531607
Things are looking up.

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Golden age a best

>>88535776
>>88535748
Makes me wonder, do you think mockingbird hates the modern ghost riders? She shouldn't. People like robbie kill rapists

>>88535776
Yes

>>88527087
Carter Slade was a hero of the old west along with Rawhide Kid, Two-Gun Kid and Kid Colt.

>>88521054
To be fair, this happens a lot in real life when some beloved sports hero or star turns out to be a rapist. (Bill Cosby is the most obvious example)

>>88532080
I mean, Who the fuck are all of these people?

Why is Mockingbird on a boat in the middle of the bermuda triangle with a bunch of Gays and SJWS?