What does /co/ think of artist like Fred Perry who based there

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>>88443379
I jerked many times for Fred Perry art, I also like Adam Warren.

I really don't care. There's room for everything, and the mango cribbing artists of yore are still better than today's "Who gives a shit about anatomy or originality? This shitty middle-school doodling is my STYLE" artists.

The ones who are actually decent at art can usually still fuse western and eastern styles into their own. I was about to mention Warren >>88443418, and of course Felipe Smith.

>>88443418
left= 7/10
Middle= 4/10
right=3/10
Botton= Fucking perfect

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>>88443418
His new stuff is great, especially the porn.

I want to get into gold digger, but damn it if I can't find the fist couple of issues or a collection of such.

>>88443379
You HAVE to learn real life anatomy, and at least PARTIALLY use it to base your drawings on.

If you learn to draw from animu, you are doing it wrong. And ugly.

I think too many of them use it as a crutch for their insufficient artistic talent and without understanding how to make it work.
Common issues I notice:
1) They draw characters with awful and inconsistent proportions using a pseudo-chibi style that's vaguely based off of 90s shows or 00 moeshit with no idea of how to make it look attractive because they don't understand the fundamentals of the styles they try to mimic
2) They have no proper concept of linework and they try to use Western scene composition standards with Japanese panelling which causes things to look messy. E.G. they subconsciously structure the page as if you would read it right to left and pack too much details into the background while using the same pen size for it and the characters, resulting in the two blending
3) They have Western people do the inking/do it themselves and it looks fucking AWFUL with the characters because it clashes stylistically

Also most of them are weebs who can't write for shit.

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>>88443379
>What does /co/ think of artist like Fred Perry who based there entire career on imitating the manga/anime asthetic?

Some of the most embarrassingly ugly shit ever published by a "professional" company.

>>88444658

>That pic

I really wish white people wouldn't try to draw "anime". No good ever comes of it.

>>88444838
Fred Perry is black

>>88443517

http://antarcticpresslibrary.com/ Newest issues can be bought through comixology.

>>88443379
Fred Perry's art is fucking garbage. Flat faced anime trash that only furry weaboos like because he draws them with big tits.

Everything japanese is shit so everything imitating japanese shit is inherently shitty.

>>88444838
Fred Perry is black, Ben Dunn is from Taiwan, and Ted Nomura is at least half Asian judging by his last name. The only white person there is Joe Wight.

>>88444960
>Fred Perry is black

Black weebs are even worse. That's how we got the Boondocks and Cannon Busters.

>>88446172
Boondocks is great, it was the only genuine anti-establishment show, this from Trump supporter.

>>88443379
i hate everything he's done that isn't time lincoln. also he needs to do more time lincoln

>>88443379
>Fred Perry

I would be fine with Perry if he ever actually improved as an artist. But his art in 2016 looks exactly the same as it did in 1986. He never grew or got better and still draws like a 17 year-old.

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>>88444658
AP was never that professional, but I like DeJesus, and Dunn's work is amusing if not technically well done.

>>88446738
>draws anime shit

Of course he never improved. Anime garbage is an artistic dead end.

>>88446738
Horseshit. His modern stuff is WAY improved.

>>88443379

That's not Fred Perry art.

That's Ben Dunn, and he's crap.

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>>88444658
>Tigers of Terra logo
>donut steel

>>88444658

That looks wretched.

Was Antarctic Press the precursor to Deviant Art?

>>88446917

I remember when DeJesus did art for PSX magazine, I think one of my memory cards still has a sticker he drew.

>>88443379
Fred didn't draw that cover. Even then his art style was better than that

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>>88446578
time lincoln vs mephitohitler

HISTORY CLASS JUST GOT AWESOME!

>>88443379
>anime aesthetic
If only. The "aesthetic" they are imitating looks like what's in one of those awful "how to draw manga" books.

>>88443379
but Fred didn't draw this cover

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>>88443379
>name drops Fred Perry
>posts Ben Dunn
OP is the lowest order of faggot.

That said, I think artists like Fred Perry, Adam Warren, and the like are heroes. They didn't just ape the style when they were going through their "anime phase" like most 15 year olds, they immersed themselves into the culture of anime fandom, worked with and have been published overseas in a bunch of doujins produced by japanese artists like Kenichi Sonada and TRUMP.

Those interactions are most likely responsible for the kind of diffusion of styles you see on the Japanese side as well from artists such as those in Gainax and Trigger.

To think that artists can't and shouldn't influence each other based on their geographic location is idiocy.
OP, you're a moron.

Marvel Mangaverse was terrible and has nothing to do with Fred Perry's career. Fred Perry has been drawing Gold Digger and it's the longest running independently published comic book series in history. Meaning it's selling well enough to stay published. Meaning it's probably a bigger success than anything you've ever done with your life. And that's just the comics stuff.
Don't get me started on Perry's military service history...

>first got started by drawing porn for money when he was in the military
>made serious bank

he deserves his success

>>88448458
>Fred Perry has been drawing Gold Digger and it's the longest running independently published comic book series in history.

Wait, he passed Cerebus?
Fifty issues in the black and white run, plus the mini, plus 238 in the color run... plus 'Beta'... still 'only' 293.

>>88448458

The only interest actual Japanese manga artists have in things like Gold Digger, Ninja High School or Mega Tokyo is a source of a good laugh.

>Is THIS how they think we draw?
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No, Gold Digger does not have a huge market in Japan and there isn't a Japanese Mega Tokyo fanbase. Get real.

To paraphrase something my friend once said of them, Fred Perry and by proxy Golddigger is in a big way the precursor to the original webcomic boom of the 2000s. The way he uses his characters and tells stories is mirrored in hundreds of web works, and not necessarily in a bad way. Take all the stuff you like, and tell your own story with it, that sort of thing. Only he's a professional artist (at least his art and story telling can be enjoyed opposed to say, Rob Liefield) --enough so that he can get nearly 300 issues out of a story I imagine he's drawing for himself as much as for an audience. And even if his work is largely derivative, it's not trying to be anything more than popcorn fun.

>>88443379
Why the fuck is her waist that small,that isn't even possible..

>>88443379

That's a pretty good drawing for a 14 year-old.

Maybe they'll become a pro someday if they keep practicing.

>>88447909
Hoyl shit you're ight, he did the otaku orange hair guy, right? DAMN

I used to love the over the top covers they did like the sub zero/scorpion veriants and such.

Shame gaming mags are pretty much nil at this point other than GI

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>>88446917
>that fucking perspective

Why are people posting shit from the 80's and acting like that's representative of what Fred Perry's art looks like now?

>>88448541
I remember years ago seeing an image of Fred Galleger I think meeting what I THINK was Ken Akematsu, the author of Love Hina and noticing the look of either pity or disgust on Akematsu's face as Galleger presented one of his fan art drawing of one of the female characters to Ken. Pretty funny

Also holy shit Megotokyo is still being updated. Never did like that comic

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>>88448912
They're jealous they aren't as successful and trying to claim the product is inferior.

>>88448912
>Why are people posting shit from the 80's and acting like that's representative of what Fred Perry's art looks like now?

Because the art isn't from the 80s? It's contemporary. Perry has never improved or grown as an artist in 30 years.

>>88449018
You're objectively wrong, but that isn't surprising.

Stay mad.

>>88444658

I hope everyone who participated in that picture was euthanized.

Unless they were children and this was a school art project?

>>88448458
>>88448531
he's going to pass cerebus?

holy shit

>>88448458
Hi Fred, nice to see you have enough free time to shitpost on 4chan about yourself

Also implying I'm somehow jealous just because I don't like the art is stupid. I just dislike the overall aesthetic of blatantly trying to copy manga and anime art style (and not really improving all that much in 30 years apparently).

If you like it, that's fine. Don't really give a shit. I just dislike the overall artstyle.

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>>88449248

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I like him.

>>88449304
So if I don't like a thing I can't make a thread to discuss it? Where do you think you are?

>>88449537
Well, the fact is, it just doesn't seem to be all that important.

So it really seems like you're just trying to waste everybody's time and get a little attention.

Are you bored?

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>>88448458

This anon knows what's up.

Been collecting NHS/Gold Digger since issue #1 on both. I stopped getting NHS because Ben Dunn kept letting other far less talented artist work on it. Last thing I remember was OP pic related getting preggers (which was a HUGE shock). But NHS was my first experience with manga style art and it got me through some hard times. So despite how it ended up, I'll always look back at it with fond memories.

Actually met Fred several times at conventions and he's ultra cool guy. He works unbelievably fast. I've got a ton of NHS/GD shit. From a mint condition NHS/GD poster, GD figures, NHS videogame, GD portfolios, to even rare shit like that special STD issue. Fucking lost it when Jeremy's friend contracted an STD from a girl he met named "Veronica" (hateful stab at Archie comic that Benn admitted to in one of the "Perfect Memory" issues).

Unfortunately, dealt with homelessness years back so all collecting has been put on hold since 2007. God, it's going to take forever to catch up.

>>88449643
Wasn't Ninja High School canceled?

>>88446172

>The Boondocks
>bad

nigga u wot m8

>>88449713
I think it just ended.

I seem to recall seeing a special Series Finale issue some years ago.

>>88443517
>especially the porn
I've spilled too much seed to that WarNerd of Mars porn comic he did

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>>88449304

>>88449982
I liked Doity Rats better.
I want the Mallrats to return.

I don't care for it either, but the guy who draws most of the UDON Street Fighter comics is pretty damn good and captures the style of SF pretty damn well.

why is is that when westerners try to copy the "anime aesthetic" it looks like shit, but when the japanese do the reverse it looks fucking amazing?

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>>88450094
Thanks!

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>>88447853
>mfw anarctic press is in my city
>half price books overflowed with gold digger and NHS
>pic related something i bought,not knowing it was from them because it looked promising

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>>88450277
>mfw its awful

>>88449643
I fell off with reading NHS when it switched from Jeremy to his younger brother. Are those issues any good at all?

Anyway, yeah, Antarctic Press was one of the earlier publishers that got me into comics, so I'm not gonna sit around and pretend to act superior like so many other anons here. I found their output to be fun. It never pretended to be more than it was, it was just stuff done by dudes who love both eastern and western pop culture. And they may not have been the most talented dudes around, but they fucking did it and had fun with it, and good on them for that.

>>88449640
I made a thread to discuss things and share my opinion. Every fucking thread is the same thing. Either that or to complain about some stupid thing that happened in comics or cartoons. Are you unfamiliar how discussion forums work, fred?

>>88450214
>why is is that when westerners try to copy the "anime aesthetic" it looks like shit, but when the japanese do the reverse it looks fucking amazing?

Before you develop a style, you have to learn the fundamentals (anatomy, perspective, scale, etc.).

Most people, especially black people for some reason (Lesean Thomas, Fred Perry) jump straight to the style and never learn the fundamentals. And when that style is "anime" it always, ALWAYS looks like hilariously bad shit.

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>This is still being published today

>>88443379
>I like both my mango and my comic books but I think they should stay 50 feet away from each other at all times because most of the time they come off looking really awful

The Japanese are good at copying our style but not the other way around.

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>>88450622
>especially black people for some reason (Lesean Thomas, Fred Perry) jump straight to the style and never learn the fundamentals.
Indeed, all those silly negros with their fake animu style lacking in all fundamentals. Clearly they are the outliers of exceptionally bad anime styled art.

>>88443379
This stupid prick bitches about Fred, posts a pic by Ben Dunn...wtf?

>>88446157
There's been quite a few white people at Antarctic press.

>>88450767
I wouldn't call that copying. What studio Trigger does for example is do their own thing but draw heavy influence from western media. Imitation vs inspiration. Plenty of western media is starting to show signs of anime influence without outright copying the artstyle

>>88450622
Niggas can't afford art school or even art books, that shit is 'spensive. Same reason things like rap(which requires no instruments to be purchased) and sampling got so huge.

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>>88450277
>>88450386
I'm gonna level with you, anon.
Antarctic Press doesn't print very good comics.
Some of their titles you might consider to be "fun" or "entertaining", yes. But that's highly subjective and dependent on your own tastes and proclivities going in.

Maybe some of their creators have gone on and done better things... some wrote for Robot Chicken, a few others did spot back-up artist work on books like Harley Quinn and Spider-Man <3 Mary Jane. Others have jobs in animation or game development.

Antarctic Press wasn't about producing great titles. It was mostly a place for creators to get in, make bad comics till they hone their talents enough to springboard out into better shit.

For instance, the guy that made that book did so under an alias. He and some buddies went on to create a certain anime-themed social network / forum based website that got pretty popular. After some years of maintaining it they later sold said website for several millions of dollars.

Now, I'm not saying AP was directly responsible for that, at all. What I'm saying is AP is a place where people like that can get their start at making shit. A Creators' Kindergarten, if you will.

That book is kinda like one of those macaroni pasta arts kids make-- only instead of being stuck on a mom's refrigerator door, it's bagged and buried in a quarter bin long box at your local comic book store.

>>88448458
>That said, I think artists like Fred Perry, Adam Warren, and the like are heroes.
>they immersed themselves into the culture of anime fandom,

How heroic! They devoted their lives to the pursuit of shitty japanese art. Let's give them a Nobel prize.

They make shitty comics with shit writing and horrible art that people only read because they have shit taste and the drawings give them boners.

>>88450622
It's still MILES better than when white people attempt it (see almost every webcomic with a female artist, and Peter Is The Wolf as a glaring example of when a guy tries it).

>>88450899
Jesus, Code Lyoko really suffered from not being sure whether to do an anime thing or go with its own art style.

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>>88451460
>They make shitty comics with shit writing and horrible art that people only read because they have shit taste and the drawings give them boners.
A Nobel prize for boners? Yes. Let's do that.
They've more than earned it.

>>88451603
If their shit art gives you a boner then you've got shit taste.

damn, op is really dumb.

>>88446172
hey, one of the only people I had a mutually tolerant relationship with in high school was a black weeaboo

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>>88447683
It's pretty close to the Legacy Era logo, which is kinda funny because that first appeared in 2006.

>>88446738
That is a goddamned lie and you know it. The 'style' of anime he resembles hasn't been the norm for about 20 years though.

>>88452151
>The 'style' of anime he resembles hasn't been the norm for about 20 years though.

So you're saying that he has been drawing the same shitty style since he copied it over 20 years ago? Isn't that the same as not improving as an artist?

>>88452232
If you want to tell me his mechanical skills (proportion, anatomy, perspective, whatever the fuck) haven't improved while he stuck to drawing in a style he enjoys, then sure. I mean, you could complain that his plot amounts to aping whatever's current in pop culture and I'd probably be right there with you.

>>88452520
>(proportion, anatomy, perspective, whatever the fuck) haven't improved

Do these proportions look right in any way? >>88449342

He's a shitty niche porn artist that caters to people with shit taste.

>>88451380

Libraries are free, Tyrone.

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>>88452841
Some people can't really learn well from a book. Actual classes with an actual art teacher work the best.

>>88452725
Not him but I think Fred Perry's work has made a ton of improvement over the years (pic related a year one cover of God from the 90's). Also, I think in the pic you referenced, her otherworld barbarian genes got activated or something and that's why she's built that way.

Personally, I don't care much about technical proficiency in a story. I care about whether or not the style is consistent and whether or not the artist is comfortable and clear enough with his work so that the narrative isn't hurt. I appreciate technically proficient work but stylized artwork isn't a deal breaker if it works for the artist/story.

>>88453913
I mean GD, not god. Stupid auto correct...

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>>88443379

>>88450214
Beginner Japanese artists have terrible art that's terrible in all the same ways as beginner western artists copying anime. Just look at some of the buried stuff on pixiv or the fan submissions manga authors get.

>>88443379
It's shit.

>>88451423
I liked AP back in their heyday. I was really into what little manga we had and they were making stuff inspired by it which was unique for an American company. And they fused it with furshit for a style that was ultimately different enough from anything else to have its own appeal.

>>88449982
Any links to that?

I personally have had a good wank or two to this little diddy.

http://g.e-hentai.org/g/692200/4787035442/

>>88454877
Holy fuck yes they do. You aren't kidding.
>>88456346
>He recently did some no-bullshit Gold Digger /r34/
That man is a treasure

>>88448531
>Sim realizes his comic got surpassed by a silly motherfucker who draws ass and titties for fun
I wonder if he'll have another breakdown. It'll probably just kill him this time

>>88443379

Why is the ninja a skunk lady

>>88458199
She's an alien princess who goes to Ninja High School.

I remember seeing an autographed copy of Ninja High School at a Half-Price Books here in Houston once. Wonder if I could've resold it for anything.

>>88443379
One of the weirdest experiences of my life was going up into the attic and finding my mom's collection of ninja high school and her binder of MtG cards.

>>88458749
Anything good in the binder?

>>88458749
I really want to say underageb& but I keep forgetting that shit's been around for 20+ years.

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>>88450555

***minor spoilers ahead for NHS fans***

I have ten or so issues after Jeremy ends up with Asrial (made perfect sense) and Ichi ends up with Lendo (which made NO fucking sense) and the brother takes over the story.

All I remember was bad art and something about an island and I couldn't even pretend to care. I was waiting to see of Ben Dunn was going to come back then I'd power my way though them just to keep up with the story. One of these days, I'll have to look into the series again...but catching up with Gold Digger comes first.

I remember when Ben asked Fred to work on the "Time Warp" saga because he (Ben) didn't have any direction with his own comic. It probably seemed like a good idea at the time. Ben work with Fred's characters and vice versa and have the story switch back and forth between both series. But in the end, Fred's GD stories and plot lines were absolutely TRASHED and seriously regretted doing it (all of this stated in a "Perfect Memory" issue). Point is, Ben is inconsistent. Fred isn't. Even the porn is nothing new. He drew it in the military in exchange for basic necessities like toilet paper.

And I ask you, name me another comic artist that gave out hundreds of issues on the web so new comers could catch up rather than force them to save up several hundred dollars to get all the back issues. He's released animation (he did himself), a digital version of his comic a decade before anyone else did on DVD (still have them), several toys/figures, posters (have pic related), and has the longest running series next to Cerberus. I only wished someone/something would've invested in helping him do an animation series earlier. So much shit cartoons out there (with rare exceptions). I'd love to see a more refined version of GD animated.

>>88443379
IIRC, Fred Perry was trained traditionally by his mom(who was an art instructor). He just adopted the manga/anime style because it made his dick hard(still does I imagine). There's even a story out there that when he was in the Gulf War, he drew sexy girls to trade to other soldiers for toiletries and other supply items.

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>>88454653
Here you go, the first moeblob.

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>>88443517
>Gold Digger
>Good

Let me tell you my Gold Digger story.

Back in the late 90s there was an video store in my town that became the de facto hobby shop after everything else affiliated with Magic the Gathering folded. They had a single issue of Gold Digger in the front case. This was before the advent of high speed internet became widely available. It sat there for literally 10 years, maybe more. A few years ago I decided to buy it because... shit maybe I was just tired of looking at it.

It was awful. It was like somebody had published their web comic.

>>88460883
Just started reading it today after seeing this thread
It's okay so far but I'm only 8 issues in, so far it looks like the author threw all the shit he liked in a blender and then published it
Not necessarily a bad thing but I am hoping it gets batter

>>88448458
Speaking of Sonoda, did any of the weeaboos embrace his growing pedophilia?

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>>88460549
>Ben is inconsistent. Fred isn't.
This.
NHS was my gateway comic. I still have love for that dumb shit Anime-Archie-before-it-was-cool series in my heart. But Fred is just flat out better at making comics and telling a story.

>>88460549
>I was waiting to see of Ben Dunn was going to come back then I'd power my way though them just to keep up with the story. One of these days, I'll have to look into the series again...
Don't.
Yes, Ben comes back.
No, it doesn't get better, it gets worse.

Making the asshole little brother the protagonist was a mistake.

>>88461454
Dear sweet child of Summer.
The term you are fumbling for is "lolicon".
And considering the prevalence of such content in Japanese entertainment culture it would be a sad, sorry weeaboo that didn't embrace it.
Normies and Casuals, otoh, would be another story...

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>>88443379
I have a real soft-spot for Ben Dunn, especially his older works. Saw what you will about his character design Though I kinda like it, depends on the era, but he was the shit at backgrounds and mecha.

Some random examples here-
http://ilpazzomondodigonagai.forumfree.it/?t=45082775

As for Perry, never been much of a fan, I think the majority of his art is mediocre and Gold Digger never interested me. Warren was good but is almost as mediocre nowadays, fuck them ugly-ass sausage lips.

>>88460883

To each their own.

The first trade hit my eye because it had a catgirl in the cover and I was really into Dominion at the time.

Pawed through it a few times, in the end I bought it, never looked back.

But I understand where you're coming from.

I know for a fact I have bad taste. I simply don't care. Life is too short.

>>88454877
>Beginner Japanese artists have terrible art that's terrible in all the same ways as beginner western artists copying anime

So after 30 years, Perry is still a beginner artist?

Has there been any good western "anime" artists/illustrators?

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>>88448531

Cerebus was 300 monthly issues (every. fugging. month. no hiatus for being depressed or some other delicate artist shit) 1977-12 to 2004-03 twenty-five years.

Gold Digger was every other month, then monthly but taking summers off, and started in 1992.

So no he didn't surpass Cerebus.

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>>88462241
those guys make video games or animation.

>>88462267

I meant in numbers.

If you want to talk 'enjoyability' Sim might as well not have bothered.

>>88448007
Hey, I've got a few of those... if only I'd ever had the discipline to even learn to draw at THAT level...

>imitating the manga/anime asthetic
That's not a thing. You can't "imitate" an aesthetic. You either draw/paint/whatever in a given aesthetic/style or you don't.

It's not something that there exists a genuine, official piece of that you can only falsify.

>>88446172
Which are both amazing things.

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>>88461780

>Don't.
>Yes, Ben comes back.
>No, it doesn't get better, it gets worse.

>Making the asshole little brother the protagonist was a mistake.

Fuck. Not going to pretend I'm surprised, but I was still hoping he would end his series on a high note.

The only question now is what to do with the shit-ton of NHS I have. Thinking of just scanning it for whenever the nostalgia hits and selling it (I can practically hear /co/'s laughter from here). I'm going to be moving soon (and probably often). Not sure I want to drag a failed series around with me.

Going through all my old manga and forgot how, in the beginning, manga was released like standard U.S. comics. So instead of paying $15 for 360 pages of Ranma 1/2 like you can now, you paid several dollars for around 30 pages (or 2 chapters at most). You fuckers got it so good now. At last count, I spent around 12k for just several series...most I'm not even close to finished (Inu Yasha, Ranma, Ah My Goddess, etc.)

>>88462682
>The only question now is what to do with the shit-ton of NHS I have. Thinking of just scanning it for whenever the nostalgia hits and selling it
Do it and post it online. Future generations need to know and understand so that the mistakes of the past are not repeated.

>>88462682
Save it for your kids.

Force them to read it as punishment.

Fred's a genuine hack who would have a better grasp on drawing figures and comics if he spent a month studying Akira Toriyama or Yoshihiro Togashi. His understanding of the fundamentals is "slightly interested in comics" 10th grader tier.

Now, people like Tradd Moore who draw inspiration from Asian artists? There's nothing wrong with them.

>>88462682
Scan em and put em online. I wanna download em for nostalgia. And fuck /co/.

I remember when manga was like that too, it's how it was when I go into Gunsmith Cats. A series that was heavy on gunplay and car chases being scanned and flipped for American audiences was initially very confusing for me indeed.