Is Batman crazy?

Are you?

Yes.

No, he's Bruce Wayne.

>>88431855
Yeah he's pretty batty.

>>88431855
Please anon,
mentaly ill.

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>>88431855
yup, hes totally batshit

>>88431855
Yes.

He's also EXTREMELY ineffective at his job

And is all around a shitty role-model.

>>88431855
He has to be not to do what needs to be done to Joker's butthole.

That's literally whole point of the character

No but Adams is

Next question: Is THE GODDAMN BATMAN him written at his craziest, or is there a crazier run?

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Batman Odyssey is just as bonkers.

>>88431855
He ran around with a bomb over his head once.

>>88433443
>Punisher taking up the Batman mantle

>>88433443

Directed by Zack Snyder

>>88431855
Is Frank Miller writing?
If so, then yes, very much so.

Is in the Bronze Age/is O'Neil writing?
If so, then no, he is merely a very serious man who is quietly at conflict with whom he must become to be the Batman but refuses to shirk from his self-appointed task.

Is it the Silver Age?
If so, then no, but the world he lives in is pretty crazy.

Is it the 90's/is Chuck Dixon writing?
If so, then he is no, but he shows strong signs of either Autistic-level obsession or poor emotional self-regulation and is socially maladjusted, though a decent man under all that damage.

Is it Batman Odyssey?
If yes, then not only is HE crazy, but so is every single other being in his world, the world itself, the rules that govern it, and the narrative structure of the story.

Congratulations.
You used to be a casual who knew nothing, but now you know more then most people who know the name will ever bother to even try to know.

>>88433443

It is also to me, one of the greatest Batman stories. I genuinely loved this so much for it's absolute insanity. It's like comedy gold only I would instead of gold, Neal Adams went into the spectrum of colours itself to create this great piece of historic art.

Requesting story time.

I second this. Am morbidly curious about Odyssey.

>>88433735
It's completely insane.
Not figuratively insane. Literally insane.
It is written by a guy who posts the most insane YouTube things ever and actively believe things a crazy person believes and has strong indications of mental illness.

>>88433643
>If so, then no, but the world he lives in is pretty crazy.
Silver Age Batman honestly seems to be a genius at traversing the insane world he inhabits. As if he knows just how crazy to be in the given situation.

>>88433443
>We've gotten a Batman Odyssey and a Superman Odyssey

When will Adams make the rest of the OG Justice League have an Odyssey.

Would Batman suck a dick if it meant saving a life? If so then he's crazy.

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>>88433643
Underrated post, 10/10 screencap'd

>Hey Batman suck a penis to save some mook's life

How exactly would that even happen?

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>>88431855
No, but Bruce Wayne clearly is.

>>88431855
No, he just is incredibly bad at dealing with death

>>88431855
No, and only a retard would think that.

Being Batman is MADNESS. But that's the nature of comics.

Also, he isnt paranoid either, he is Anti-Social and probably Borderline

>>88433862
He needs to do a Wonder Woman Odyssey.

>>88434062
Aren't we all? Especially our own.

>>88434024
You could make him suck your dick to save the Joker and then force him to rape the Joker to save your life.

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Batman is a psychopath who is trying to fill the hole created by his pain trought revenge and escapism. That's the whole point of this character. In reality Batman just a very tragic person.

"They taught me the world only makes sense if you force it to."

Batman is forcing the world to make sense, and so at some level Batman himself is acknowledging that he has a skewed perspective and that he imposes his interpretations on reality rather than taking reality as it is, perhaps because reality is too painful or maybe he just thinks it’s non-sensical in general.

>>88434537
>Batman is a psychopath

He isnt

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>>88434537
>I get my information from fucking Buzzfeed articles
I hate nu/co/ so fucking much.

>>88434700

I didn't read this shit
just found pic

>>88434731
And then you made a casual comment

>>88434764
It's just my interpretation of Batman character
I refuse to believe that Batman is just "some guy killed my parent so i should protect Gothan now lol"

>>88432195
Depends on the continuity. In many, he's pretty much the main or only reason the city isn't under the thumb of the mafia, conquered by various thematic lunatics with more dangerous mental illnesses than his own, or a smoking crater.

>>88432956
>whole point
Also heroism, transforming pain and grief into something productive, and explorations of ideas about crime and justice.

>>88434855
Now do the same with superman, spiderman or Ted kord

>>88434537
>psychopath
>driven primarily by grief and guilt
Uh huh.

>Batman is forcing the world to make sense
Trying to impose one's philosophy upon society is potentially madness, but it's also the driving force behind many or most political, military, religious, and artistic endeavours, isn't it?

I like to think that Batman's trying to stay sane in what is clearly an insane society with hypocritical rules governing all typical civilian behavior.
Once you hit a certain I.Q. every adopted cultural norm starts to look like organized insanity on a mass level.
For someone as smart as Bruce, growing up in Gotham must have been like growing up in a madhouse where the inmates ran things.

>>88431855
Yes. His outfit: he's supposedly not gay, and he doesn't do it to be scary.

Only person who would pick that outfit out of the blue and wear it for no reason: insane.

And he's stupidly wasting his efforts maintaining the status quo rather than try to fix some of the world's problems.

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>>88431855
He's only baby crazy.
The real question though is would you have sex with Batman?

>>88434537

"the world only makes sense if you force it to" isn't Bruce saying that the world is inherently nonsensical, it's him saying that the world is fucked and does not adhere to human values, and often works to destroy and undermine those values. The "force it to" part is him basically saying "fuck you world, I'm going to actively work to MAKE you be a better place"

>>88435289

I just realized that Batman embodies the idea of a Nietzchean ubermensch.

>>88435279
. . . Not if he'll let YOU decide that?

>>88435232
>he doesn't do it to be scary
He does though. usually. Explicitly for that purpose.

>>88435232
>he's stupidly wasting his efforts maintaining the status quo rather than try to fix some of the world's problems
Depends on the version, but in the majority he's often at odds with established systems of governance and law. Not sure what you want Batman to do about war in the Middle East or whatever, though. Some of the uber-competent versions might be able to take a crack at it, but it sounds as if you're a casual and thus mostly just talking about "urban vigilante" Batman. That version of him doesn't exactly have the skillset to be revitalizing third-world hellholes or ending longstanding tribal and religious conflicts. He's right where he belongs, doing the things he's best at to help his community in some small way.

>>88435306
Batman is the Bound Ubermensch. Joker is the Unbound Ubermensch. This is entry-level shit.

>>88435306
Superheroes in general tend to, especially in their early days. there's a reason he's called "Superman".

>>88435310
He could be a LOT scarier if that was his goal. Instead he chooses fruity gaylord.

Batman takes dangerous and sick criminals, puts them in an insane asylum, where they break out in 2 months or less. That's not once in a lifetime Ubér Batman... that's normal every comic I've ever read of Batman Batman. He'd be better off building and maintaining his own prison.

And the idea of "save everybody's life" and "everybody's life has value" is very detrimental to human evolution.

>>88433965
Thank you.
I just get fucking tired of adults who ask questions and then get their answers from idiots that know nothing and thus become idiots that know nothing themselves.

I just want everyone to be smarter and know more. That's all.

>>88434855
Except he's not even unique.
There's three other guys like him in his universe (normal people who decided to fight crime) just off the top of my head without thinking really hard.
He's not even the first one who HAD that idea in his universe even so he's not even that original.

>>88435389
>He could be a LOT scarier if that was his goal. Instead he chooses fruity gaylord.
If you find Batman sexually arousing, that's on you. Not that I blame you, but there's nothing overly camp about most versions of his costume. It's a weird Dracula outfit with acrobat influence in early versions, or else just riot gear with horns and a cape in most versions since then.

>Batman takes dangerous and sick criminals, puts them in an insane asylum, where they break out in 2 months or less.
>He'd be better off building and maintaining his own prison.
Yes, the sane thing for a man to do, when he is aware he has possible mental disturbances and that he is acting outside the law, is to build and maintain a secret prison. I sure hope this is ridiculously uber-competent batman, too, or that this version you're hypothesizing has the JLA behind him. Otherwise, no way that prison is going to be viable, with just him, his butler, and some orphans operating it.

>And the idea of "save everybody's life" and "everybody's life has value" is very detrimental to human evolution.
Oh, I see. You're fundamentally against the premise of most superhero comics. That explains why you're spouting really bog-standard criticisms of Batman that writers and other critics have addressed countless times over the decades. You probably even think they're super original.

Don't worry--you've established you're against humanism, idealism, socialism, and all the other things on your edgy philosophy checklist. The rest of us will continue being social animals, and not look at altruism and a desire to preserve human life as a sign of mental derangement.

>>88435389
In all fairness if he brutally killed his villains he'd look even more pathetic because they'd come back anyway since they are marketable characters.

>>88435502
Depends on the universe, to be fair.

>>88435520
This is true.
Given that this poster is likely so casual that he might not even really count as a person here, he's probably talking about movies and shit.

I don't have a problem with casuals like on this thread.
I just think they should shut theirs mouths and admit they know fuck-all rather then pretend like they know some shit because of their fifth-hand education on a fluid interpretation character they got from a goddamn three paragraph internet article somewhere.

>>88433443
what kind of drugs was adams on when he wrote that shit

>>88435577
None, actually.
Go listen to Neal Adam's YouTube videos; he's NATURALLY that crazy.

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>>88433643
I could not have formed a better opinion myself anon.

How crazy do you think the various movie batmen are?

>>88435616
>60's
Perfectly sane in a world that operates on insane logic. Arguably saner than most of the people around him.

>Burton/Schumacher Movies
Fairly crazy in Burton's, but if Schumacher's are an actual continuation of the canon (debatable) then he starts to mellow out and adjust... Just in time for the world to catch up to his prior craziness.

>Baleman
Not very crazy, but not well-adjusted. depressed, obsessive, and self-destructive, but largely logical in the goals he pursues. even his methods are usually fairly well thought-out, and when he does something weird and goofy, he's self-aware.

>BvS
He screamed at an unconscious man in a sewer because he said a fairly common name. We don't know how long he was screaming at him, only that it was long enough for a reporter to get a helicopter, fly over, land, search the rubble of a massive district-wide fight to find aforementioned sewer, and spot him STILL SCREAMING AT AN UNCONSCIOUS MAN.

>>88435616
Tim Burton's Batman is gloomy, but mostly Silver Age weirdness at heart, albeit with vaguely gothic overtones. Not crazy but certainly weird...much like everything Burton does.

Joel Schumacher's Batman is unfiltered Silver Age nonsense. Not crazy, but even weirder then Burton's.

Christopher Nolan's Batman is basically just the 90's gloomy Batman who is emotionally having difficulty moving past a single event in his life. He actually ends up one of the mentally healthiest Batman because he puts the pain behind him and moves on with his life while still recognizing the good he'd done.

The DCCU Batman is roughly-formed as of yet, taking elements of Miller's Batman but ultimately is only fractionally as crazy as Miller's was.

And before anyone even asks; B:TAS/DCAU Batman is O'Neil/Bronze Age Batman right to the core.
They literally lifted entire issues from that run and turned them into B:TAS episodes.

>>88431855
No, it's just that HIS PARENTS ARE DEAAAAD!

I really want a batman who constantly switches between his 60's personality and his modern grimdark personality. Confusing and frightening criminals.

>>88435736
I loved the Planetary crossover where Batman keeps changing into different incarnations.

>>88435711
>>BvS
He screamed at an unconscious man in a sewer because he said a fairly common name. We don't know how long he was screaming at him, only that it was long enough for a reporter to get a helicopter, fly over, land, search the rubble of a massive district-wide fight to find aforementioned sewer, and spot him STILL SCREAMING AT AN UNCONSCIOUS MAN.

The key issue here is consistency.
The way the director makes (and writes) films is that he thinks up a bunch of "would it be cool if [insert visual thing]" scenes and then tries to tie them together regardless of actual logic, so his personally and nature shifts in between scenes depending on what Snyder thinks is/would be cool to look at. In addition, the absolutely bullshit committee-menthol WB is using to make films hinders there being any single "voice" for the character because at any given time any one of these people can veto a scene or line and they MUST make these changes.

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>>88435711
>that last one

Goddammit every time I think about that movie the batman parts get funnier and the superman parts get stupider

>>88435760
I always felt like BVS was a decent batman film trapped inside a horrible superman film.

Tim Burton's Batman - Weird

Joel Schumacher's Batman - Not crazy

Christopher Nolan's Batman - Not crazy

The DCCU Batman - Aboslute madman

>>88435828
I felt like it needs to be made like an actual film before I can consider it one.
WB needs to sort out it's internal bullshit before anything they put to film will ever be as successful as they want them to be.

But then again, maybe "good enough" is good enough for them.

>>88431855
No, he is just baddly written.

>>88436105
Yeah I can agree to that.

I have hopes for the batfleck movie when it comes out but I already assume it'll be shit. Or maybe mediocre at best

>>88431855
Seriously anon, wtf? of course he is!

>>88431855
It's just the rest of the world that is crazy, he is perfectly sane and rational

>>88437480
Yeah... cht*... You see... He's not CRAZY... mmh... He's just ahead of the CURVE.

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>>88431855

>>88437517
Oh, if you weren't so CrrAzy, I'd think you were inSANE. heh. Hur. HUUUURRRRRRRR...

>>88431855
He's sane enough to live outside Arkham. And he's rich. Rich people are crazy by default. Look at Trump.

>>88431855
>dresses up like a bat and beats on criminals with his bare hands
>Spends his fortune making himself a better criminal beater-upper instead of investing in the police and public works of the city
>sleeps an average of an hour a night
Gee I dunno. He sure sounds like a rational guy.

>>88438965
>>Spends his fortune making himself a better criminal beater-upper instead of investing in the police and public works of the city
This is wrong though, Most times you see bruce wayne being bruce wayne its at some charity event.

>>88431855
No Batman is

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