Marvel NOW Free/Matched Comics Sent To Retailers

>>88395085
>>Jessica Jones #3 match to #2
>>Invincible Iron Man #2 match to #1
BENIS ON SUICIDE WATCH

Is it sad that the list is still missing titles like Great Lakes Avengers which were confirmed to be shipped to retailers for free?

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>>88395217

>>88395085
I'm a little confused on the wording, does 100% overship mean they're doubling orders for free?

>>88395346
Yes.

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>BC is now archive-tier

>>88395085

So how hard is Marvel panicking internally right now? Pity though that a couple of decent/good titles are DOA, too, but I can't say that I have a lot of sympathy for Marvel as a company here.

>>88395378
>now

JUST

Marvel wouldn't be dong as bad if they just fired Bendis and stopped letting slott write.

>>88395434
Just give Pym to Slott.

>>88395394
I'm sure they're already planning their next relaunch.

>>88395085
I for one am glad to see bad comics not selling, but what do all these overshipped comic books actually mean for an LCS? What are they going to do with those and is it actually hurting their business or not?

what an asshole company. they're wasting their money and the comic stores with this bullshit, all to keep up appearances.

>>88395581
They have to pay for shipping, store extra product, and find a way to get rid of it

See >>88395244

>>88395583
No wonder that Marvel Studios decide to ditch them and go to Disney after one too many unnecessary demands from Perlmutter and his toadies.

>>88395244
The sad thing is that these are not the worst comics coming out from Marvel. Mid-tier.

>>88395581
>What do all these overshipped comic books actually mean for an LCS? What are they going to do with those and is it actually hurting their business or not?
Marvel ships them to LCSes with the stores having to pay for shipping costs. So if they don't sell any of these unwanted copies, they're still losing money. Additionally, they take up space in their stores if they're not sold.

>>88395581
It means they have extra stock they don't need. At worst, they had to pay a few bucks extra to compensate for the shipping difference and end up wasting space in their back-catalogue longboxes. At best, they do manage to sell them and end up getting money for issues they didn't have to pay for.

>>88395085
This is how those bargain bin boxes you always see at comic stores get filled up.

>>88395244
>Use our restroom without a purchase, get Mosaic #2 and GLA #2 for free!

Marvel JUST

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>>88395741
>I'll give you my sandwich, just take copy of Mosaic
>please

>>88395908
This sort of stuff never gets old.

>>88395908
This made my day

>>88395908
I love this guy.

>>88395665
>At worst, they had to pay a few bucks extra to compensate for the shipping difference
Do you know how heavy comics are? If they're not getting them in by freight, then they're basically paying an absurd amount in extra costs.

>>88395665
the biggest issue for LCS is space management 90 percent of the time

Very rarely is a comic shop JUST a comic shop, they do dnd, warhammer 40K, board games, local art, tpb, figures and statuettes, tcg etc.

Getting stock that you cant sell but STILL takes up space looses you money in the long run because you could use that space to move something that WILL sell

>>88396020
with how sjw marvel is I imagine they'll just sell em off in the cheapy bin or just throw them out.

>>88395908

him ordering zero is why Marvel is shipping free issues.

>>88396050
then you have sunk money in shipping cost, which is a lot more than you'd expect since comics are pounds and pounds of merch to ship cross country

so Marvel is basically fucking over LCS to make their numbers better, while LCS are throwing away money for shit they didn't even order/want

>>88395085
Based Marvel is supporting FLCBS unlike DShit

>>88395085
Just pointing out that a lot of these aren't actually doing shit numbers in the first place; Marvel's just overshipping them to convince the Mouse that they haven't lost market leader status.

>>88395472
I eagerly await Marvel Nowest

>>88395908
He ordered 0 and marvel sent 45 copies? Jesus

>>88396080
I know.
All this is gonna do is make LCS stop taking any chances on marvel sidestories and order less, if not none of the alt titles. Which means all the SJW stuff they've been shilling is gonna sit in thier inventory, while only the classic characters like white spidey and cap will sell.

Unfortunatley this means the break out and good stuff will never see light of day, but on the bright side that cuck Bendis will be taken down a peg.

>>88395622
I hope Marvel finds a bigger book for Randolph once Mosaic bites it.

>>88396238

I hope Randolph goes back to DC when Mosaic ends

>>88396187
Pretty sure you can refuse delivery if you don't accept the item as something you ordered. Especially if they wanna charge you for the S&H. Prevents disingenuous shit like this. They do that enough and all lcs will be viable for a class action against marvel.

>>88396260
Wouldn't they have to refuse an entire shipment for that?

>>88396260
>refuse delivery
I think they have to accept the package as part of their distribution deal with Diamond.

>>88395085
>match to
What?

>>88396260

the books aren't delivered separately though.

the choices are: accept delivery of all his diamond books that week
or
reject all deliveries for that week, meaning no real business that week.

>>88396260
Every company's comics are all mixed together in the Diamond boxes.
The box with 45 unwanted copies of Mosaic may well have the hyped new Image series.

>>88396336
"Match to" means that they sent them the same amount of copies that they ordered of the previous issue. For example, if a store ordered 100 copies of #1 they sent them the same amount of copies for #2 even if they ordered less. "100% overship" means they basically doubled the store's order.

>>88396067
>him ordering zero is why Marvel is shipping free issues.
Marvel: Why buy shit when they'll send it to you for free to keep up appearances?

>>88396362
One shitty shop near me would sometimes take every box EXCEPT the one with the barcode.
They won't be able to afford the comics on Tuesday, but will after Wednesday's sales. Then the UPS guy brings back the only box that matters, the one they get charged the whole order for.

They have customers, but the owners are morons who lose money on the dumbest shit.

>>88395085
Cam you explain the chart at the bottom of the link. I can't really tell what's going on. Because to me it looks like DC is somewhat doing the same.

>>88396136
Every month is a new #1. No #2 issues, no #3s, all #1, all the time!

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>>88395085
>>Gwenpool Holiday Special Merry Mix Up 100% overship main cover

Ding, dong, the witch is dead!

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>>88396362
>>88396291
>>88396277
So what you're saying is, diamond has a monopoly over the comics distibution industry, and because of that Marvel can do shit like this? Pretty sure a class action could be made of this, even if they did sign a contract.

When will they learn that singles are a massive waste of time and money?
Release them as singles in a digital format so that fans can follow on a regular basis, but in a convenient format, then do physical trades for the mass market and make sure to advertise them during commercial breaks on their cartoons/on the Disney channels. Plus, the money they save and all the extra printing machines they free up means that as soon as a comic hits #5, they've got the trade ready to be sent out to retailers.

>>88395085
>And that also helps us spy anomalies. Marvel SVP – Publishing Tom Brevoort said that Diamond rankings doesn’t take into account free copies of comics that Marvel sends out to retailers. Well, Diamond has told me that they do, but only on the unit share side, not the dollar side – as they are free.

>>88396727
>diamond has a monopoly
That's been the case for a long time now.
The courts don't give a shit about comics and lump it with other printed works like books, so legally Diamond is doing no wrong.

>>88396727
Yeah. Which is funny. See, back in the day, Marvel wanted to have their own distributors. That was nineties, unless I'm wrong. Marvel wanted to cockblock Diamond, Diamond got deals with absolutely everyone, from DC to, I don't know, fucking Archie. Year later Marvel's distributor was sold to Diamond for some mad cash.
And best thing? Being only company to distribute comics isn't monopoly.

>>88396727
Today's Marvel would still have done that even if Diamond wasn't a monopoly.

>>88396479
>Can you explain the chart at the bottom of the link.
That's just the monthly sales chart with the Quantity Rank (number of issues sold) and the Dollar Rank (amount of money it made). DC's not doing the same thing as Marvel. Their Dollar Rank will generally be lower than their Quantity Rank because most of their titles are $2.99 right now compared to Marvel's $3.99 and $4.99.

>>88396727
They actually tried suing Diamond over a decade and change ago.
The courts decided that since comic books aren't "real" books and thus Diamond didn't have a monopoly over real book sales there was no case.

>>88396746
>When will they learn that singles are a massive waste of time and money?
When everyone who works there dies of old age and people able to accept the changing times and realisties of the industry get their jobs.

>>88396746
Wouldn't that outright kill LCSs too? It's like buying everything from amazon instead your local shop center.

>>88396479
There's the Qty Rank (which is number of copies ordered or gotten for free) and then there's the Dollar Rank (which is cost paid to Diamond, I think)

So on the Dollar Rank, Civil War II, All Star Batman, ASM Renew Your Vows, Batman Annual, Avengers, Star Wars, Batman/TMNT Adventures all "beat" Batman #10 in that category because their cover prices are $3.99-$4.99 while Batman's is $2.99. But remember that this is from retailers ordering and not sell-through. From the sound of the Bestseller list on BC and retailers on Twitter, I don't think Avengers is outselling Batman.

>>88397049
Completely.
Unless comics are just side money to Warhammer, MTG and whatnot.

>>88397049
LCS don't make most of their money from singles anyway.

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>>88397049
>>88397096
So, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

>>88396727
You should read these.
http://www.milehighcomics.com/tales/
Pretty good info about the comics industry, specially distribution.

>>88397049
>Wouldn't adopting computers put the typewriter salesman out of business?
Can't make an omelette without crushing a few eggs.

>>88397049
You can say that about literally any product. If LCSs were appealing to new readers, or more convenient than buying digital copies, we wouldn't be in the current situation.

>>88397096
Bullshit.

My LCS exists because of regular Wednesday customers buying single issues. Yes, they sell Magic and toys and stuff, but 75%+ of income is from Wednesday comic sales.

Retailers pay 50% of cover price (typically), so some guy buying $50 of comics is $25 profit. It adds up fast. Trades barely sell at all at the LCS level, except for evergreen stuff like Walking Dead.

>>88397297
Well, if your gaming groups bring you so much cash that you can ignore comics, sure, go for it.
But we both know it's not like that everywhere.

>>88397472
>>88397399
>>88396746
This is why you're not making business decisions.

>>88397477
You must live in a place with a very dead magic community.
On an average Friday night, the LCS I go to makes about 2 grand.

>>88397552
No, this is why LCS are dying and becoming obsolete. Survival of the fittest

>>88396441

its Marvel saying "you aren't giving our books a chance sight-unseen (the normal process), so we're forcing your hand"

and it gives the stores an essentially no pressure way to sell books.

the only thing they're "paying" for with these deliveries is shipping, but its the same shipping they pay for their weekly books anyway, so thats a no sum loss.

if the stores can just give these books away (especially the #1s) people who maybe wouldn't have picked it up normally will read it and hopefully come back for the subsequent issues.

>>88397598
What do you play?

>>88397598
My LCS underwent refurbishment a few months ago, was supposed to reopen last month. I went over there to see if they'd opened yet and they were gone. Have been going there since 1998.

>>88395908
I love reading shop owner bantz. Top tier stuff.

>>88397606
I wouldn't be surprised if the stores get a shipping rebate for it. They almost always do for free copies of anything. It sometimes takes a few weeks after whatever shipped though.

I think my LCS said it works out to about 5 cents a book, so it's not like they're losing fistfuls of money from this.

The main problem is the LCS's don't need extra copies of the books. They know what to order and what can sell. It's a promotional tactic from Marvel. They know the LCS will likely give copies away, and they're hoping that taste will hook someone into continue buying them. My LCS has given me a free copy of all the overshipped books so far just for being a good customer.

Free comics (or 25 cent comics, like Red Sonja #0) don't work unfortunately. Remember that Cyber Force free comic? Nobody wanted that. My LCS had a pile of them with a sign. They still have some copies lying around.

>>88397645
Jund in Modern and UW Flash in standard.
I know Flash is complete bullshit, but all other decks in standard suck.

>>88397477
>>88397598
It's entirely dependent on the local gaming community.
And without one, succeeding as a comic shop is a huge struggle.

>>88397606
>but its the same shipping they pay for their weekly books anyway, so thats a no sum loss.
Well, no, more boxes add to the cost, but the difference is negligible.
But if a customer is unwilling to pay for a first or second issue of a book, they most likely won't be willing to pay for the third issue either. Even if the first few were basically given to them.

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>>88397606
>and it gives the stores an essentially no pressure way to sell books.
They already know they can't sell the books. Comic sales generally don't go up from the #1 issue. For the vast, vast majority of books you generally don't get a "Oh, we ordered too little." Look at the tweets from various retailers talking about all this extra stock that they receive that they'll never be able to sell. This is purely to pad sales unit figures.

>the only thing they're "paying" for with these deliveries is shipping, but its the same shipping they pay for their weekly books anyway, so thats a no sum loss.
They pay by weight. More weight = higher shipping cost that come directly out of their pocket.

Nova is the only new title I'll be picking up.

It's a huge failure to me

>>88395085
JUST

>>88397705
Moment I saw you're playing Jund, I knew you're my nigga.
As long as it's not some BU atrocity, I hate that color combo.

>>88395085
Wait, wait. Hawkeye #1 is out yet?

>>88397782
It comes out tomorrow.

>>88397735
it's the biggest failure, i already dropped everything.

>>88395085
how does this work exactly ?

>>88397764
Jund is just so fucking good that all other decks seem pointless to me. Plus, the amount of hate you get from other people who can't afford makes it even better.
Standard is just more aggro dominance than its ever been. Playing UB would be like asking to get raped with no lube.

>>88395085
>>88397782
>Hawkeye #1
>Remember Hawkeye? No not that Hawkeye, our favorite Hawkeye
>our favourite Hawkeye
>Kate
Gee, I wonder why no one made a big order of this.

>>88397851
Store ordered 25 copies of Avengers #1
Drop #2 to 15 copies because they didn't sell all 25.
Marvel sends them 25 copies of #2 anyway, but they only pay for 15.

or Slapstick #1, store ordered 5 copies. Marvel sends 10. Store still pays for 5.

>>88397851
Marvel sends extra copies to comic shops in order to inflate their numbers.

>>88397723
>They already know they can't sell the books.

but all those books that they're barely ordering are #1s.

the one anon posted an image earlier with a retailer saying how he ordered ZERO copies of a number one issue.

thats literally just the retailer having no faith in Marvel. not knowing the book won't sell at all.

>>88395908
It kind of sucks. Mosaic's not really bad or anything but it's going to go down as an example of everything Marvel did wrong in 2016.

>>88397893
this looks illegal

>>88397804
Ah, makes sense. I didn't remember it being storytimed.
I expect nothing from that book, and I'll be disappointed.
>>88397851
>you ordered 50 Jessica Jones last month? You have to order 50 again.
>>88397852
I mostly play EDH or make gimmicky lore decks. Vorthos is silly name.
>>88397874
Yeah. I'm semi-interested but... eh. It's Marlel in 2016.

>>88397918
It probably is.

>>88397918
>>88397893

its not.
its a way to trick fucking idiots on this board who conflate the Diamond release charts with sales.

you know those monthly charts everyone creams their pants over? they aren't sales, they just track how books were ordered.

>>88397918
It's not illegal, just scummy and annoying.

It's not the first time Marvel's horrible practices have had a negative impact on the industry as a whole.

Of course, that's pretty much what Ike wants.
For the comics to be dead and gone so he can just focus on licensing.

>>88395085
You know, what really bugs me is that most of the new ongoing are not outright horrible, but whats bad is really bad, i guess the Relauch shit was going to bite then in the ass sooner or later

>>88397932
>>you ordered 50 Jessica Jones last month? You have to order 50 again.

no.
its "you ordered 50 last month?, and only 25 this month? we'll send you an extra 25 issues free"

>>88397895
But that's the retailer and he knows his customers. If a retailer doesn't get any preorders from his customers or any interest from his customers for a comic, why would he get dozens of walk-up traffic to buy issues? Comic books are a pretty closed industry and there's very little in the way of random people coming in to make a purchase. You don't get dozens of new, random people stopping into a shop on a day-to-day to make an impulse purchase of comics.

>>88396251
IIRC he does commercial art and character designs for cartoons and shit so he's probably not hurting. Likely he'll just go back to that.

>>88398008
now, the question, why ordering at all from marvel, if they give for free anyway?

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>>88397895
>the one anon posted an image earlier with a retailer saying how he ordered ZERO copies of a number one issue.
>thats literally just the retailer having no faith in Marvel. not knowing the book won't sell at all.
The fuck is he going to do with 45 copies of Mosaic 3 that he had to pay for to get to his store, anon?

>>88398050
That's what they're starting to ask.

>>88398050
They didn't know what they were getting for free before they had to submit their orders.

>>88396727
It's not a technical monopoly since book stores like Barnes & Noble aren't forced to use them. So they have a monopoly without having one and are able to get away with it thanks to the industry crash and Marvel's self-distribution bringing everyone else but Diamond down.

>>88398050

people buy comics sometimes.

>>88397932
I play Thraximundar in EDH. He's a lot of fun and dominates in 1v1. Thinking about turning the deck into Breya, but just not sure if I want to spend the money.

>>88398093
frankly, at this point, they should start an experiment. order nothing from marvel, and see how they react

>>88398032

well he did I AM ROBIN before Mosaic
and he was just in that new talent spotlight issue DC did, so hes clearly still on good terms with them.

>>88398104
New commanders are lot of fun, Breya especially. I prefer Saskia, simply because she has no U and that sweet effect.

>>88398168
I like all of them except the group hug one. I'd buy the intro decks with the commander's, but those have been a bitch to find too

>>88398299
Someone mean would say that group hug commander is gay.

>>88398366
[/spoiler]I am very mean, then. I also think it's hilarious WotC printed Blasphemous Act in that deck.[/spoiler]

>>88398366
>>88398482
Fuck off, /v/.

>>88398482
It's legal on Theros.

>>88398129
It's funny to call him a "new" talent because he was drawing for Marvel like 12 or 13 years ago. He did the Sleepwalker story with Kirkman.

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>>88396895
>>88397091
Okay! That makes sense.

I think it was a few months ago some tard was spewing inflated numbers with zero proof. I'm glad there is now something to back that claim up. So, here's my next question, what does Marvel get by inflating numbers. Isn't that bad because it lies to shareholders?

>>88398730
In an argument with someone else on Twitter, Brevoort was defending the sales by saying "I don't see how we can be blamed in a month when we outsold everybody else."

Have you noticed the articles for November sales have been like "Marvel dominates the charts"? It's kind of a way for Marvel to damage control or make things sound better.

Jesus, the main thing I see when I read this shit is that the delivery system for comics is absolutely broken. It's horribly balanced and easily manipulated. There really needs to be some sort of systematic overhaul so LCS, customers and comic publishers don't get fucked.

>>88398730
>Isn't that bad because it lies to shareholders?
Marvel Entertainment is now just a division of Disney, and it's such an incredibly small division that it's irrelevant. It doesn't have it's own shareholders.

To note, the Marvel movies are not associated with Marvel comics. Marvel movies are under Marvel Studios, not Marvel Entertainment.

>>88398719

yea, one of his friends called him out on it on twitter ("whats your old ass in doing in this", or something to that extent)

but still, it shows a level of willingness to promote him.
Sunny Liew was in that book too, and hes been around for a couple years professionally now too.

>>88399023
>>88399157
So let me add all this up.
>Marvel does shock value diversity changes in comics with no substance to make the mainstream media talk about their comics
>They're inflating numbers so people talk about how well their comics sell, even though quality and price counter that
>They've also been pushing Movie Synergy in various comics.

This all sounds like Marvel isn't making comics, but making Good PR and ADs to help out the other marvel divisions.

The only thing I care about is Nova. I want it to do well.

>>88399023
Also I completely forgot about what someone said here:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/11/27/bleeding-cool-bestseller-list-27th-november-2016-dc-floods-chart/

>This doesn’t bode well for IvX, although I appreciate Marvel shipping retailers a 50% overship on the zero issue next week, since they believe in the title and the $4.99 price tag more than we do. While I am always thankful for free copies to sell, use to give away to promote or whatever, Marvel really has to do something to reach out to a new audience, since actual sell through on these new books is at an all time low, while the rest of the industry seems to be in sold shape. Most Marvel books have seen a major dropoff of 20% to 30% on total sales or total subs these last few months and they have to find a way to course correct that.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/12/11/marvel-comics-won-november-2016-marketshare/

>Aside from the boxes, you can see evidence of the real deals going on. Amazing Spider-Man #19 was 24th on the quantity sold but 12th on the dollars brought in. It was a $4.99 book after all. But Death Of X #1, 18th on the quantity sold, brought in fewer dollars, at 13th place, even though it was also $4.99.

>Why? Because retailers who ordered 175% of their orders for Extraordinary X-Men #7, which will have been most retailers, got an extra 15% off the cost in addition to their retauiler discount. So the comic raised less money despite having a higher chart position.

>The other big aspect is that Marvel have been handing out free copies of comics, upping retailer orders for free. November’s IVX #0 saw all retailers get an extra 50% of copies for free. That all adds up on the unit sales and marketshare – but doesn’t affect the dollar ranking.

IVX was estimated by Comichron as having 84,181 copies ordered but how many of that was actual orders and not free comics?

>>88399279
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if they planned to have Mosaic show up on the Inhumans show.

>>88395581
It's going to lead to retailers drastically underordering new #1s, which is basically Marvel's entire business model

Incidentally, also one of the factors that led to Marvel's bankruptcy in the 90s

>>88399279
>They've also been pushing Movie Synergy in various comics.
Okay now, lets look at Level 2.

Ike Perlmutter was an influential part of the movies, because he was Marvel's CEO. Kevin Feige got sick of his bullshit and convinced Marvel to separate the movies, so Perlmutter wouldn't have a say. Now Perlmutter is CEO of Marvel Entertainment, he only has the comics and TV shows.

The reason Perlmutter was trying to cull X-Men and Fantastic Four was because Marvel didn't have their movie rights. Marvel at least had the merchandise rights for movie Spider-Man so no problem there.

Since Perlmutter and his company is no longer associated with the movies, there is no reason for him personally to drop X-Men and Fantastic Four (especially since X-Men is such a big brand)

Since he was outed, Fantastic Four has been announced to have a comeback sooner or later and X-Men are getting RessureXtion.

All that movie synergy has suddenly become a massive waste of effort.

>>88399498
RessureXion was just another wave of reshuffling the writers.

>>88399532
Well yeah, not saying anything good is gonna come of it. Current Marvel and good are almost mutually exclusive.

But they're clearly trying to promote them more than they were before. IvX doesn't seem like the death sentence for the X-Men that it sounded like a year or so ago.

>>88397477
I'm 99% sure my LCS not only makes most of their money but made enough money to open a second location solely off trade sales

>>88398565
>MTG
>/v/

>itt /co/ thinks comic stores are worth saving, or could even be saved, in (((current year)))
kek

So, when does the market crash and burn again?

And will Marvel sink smaller publishers this go around? We do have Valiant once more, the cycle can be repeated.

>>88399697
>We do have Valiant once more
Yes, but it's not owned by a cursed man like Jim Shooter.

>>88399687
Honestly most of us are anticipating the collapse and hoping it benefits the medium in the long run.

At least, those of us that have been paying attention to this shit for years.

>>88399579
I promise you that if they do MtG, that's where they made most of their money
>Want to get into Magic and play a competitively viable deck? Cool, that's $300-$400
>Oh, rotation is coming up? Yeah, that'll be another $300-$400.
>You want to play a format that's not standard? Well, modern's bare minimum entry fee is only $800

>>88399707
Jim Shooter did nothing wrong.

>>88399729
They don't, hence my claim

don't even sell packs

>>88399498
>he only has the comics and TV shows.

He also controls merchandise, IIRC. So even then they are still concerned with movie synergy in some way.

Also they made a deal with Fox to allow Fox to do an X-Men-related TV show.

>>88399725

Yep, sucks for owners though

>>88399792
>got cucked at Marvel
>got cucked at Valiant
>got cucked at DC when writing LoSH
>got cucked when trying to write Valiant again

>>88399939
Extenuating circumstances.

>>88399880
>He also controls merchandise, IIRC
Yes

>So even then they are still concerned with movie synergy in some way
Sort of

With Sony's original deal, Marvel has the merchandise rights for Spider-man, including the movie version. I don't know what their current set-up is.

Marvel doesn't have the merch rights for the movie X-Men, which means both Fox and Marvel have to be real careful about how they brand their merch. I'm not sure if I am describing this right. Marvel can't for instance use Hugh Jackman's likeness on their Wolverine merch, for instance.

But it is true that popular X-Men movies probably mean increase in Marvel merch, so it is a bit of a win-win situation; just not nearly as much as Marvel would want.

>Also they made a deal with Fox to allow Fox to do an X-Men-related TV show
A lot of the stuff that Fox does requires Marvel to okay it. The rights are convoluted as fuck.

The two seem to be trying to build bridges, possibly because of Marvel's successful deal with Sony.

>>88399498
Ha, I didn't know him leaving meant they'd stop drowning comics to fuck over other people's movies, so that's good. It doesn't fix everything else wrong with Marvel currently. I think they need to drop a bunch of writers and artist off certain titles and have the do something else, or let them go. Here is what I think would fix a lot of what is wrong with Marvel
>Drop Bendis as a "lead writer" and put him on smaller, street level characters. He's ruined mainstream characters and does care about continuity. This isn't someone who should be flag shipping titles
>Take Slott of Spider-Man. I like what he did with his run on Spider-Man but everything post Superior has been trash. Move him to something else or give him a Doc Ock solo
>Get rid of some of these successor characters or make them stand on there own. Riri, Jane Thor, and other bad successor characters need to be dropped or changed into a different character. It would help bring in something familiar for new readers.
>Cancel any book that isn't all ages that hits under 20,000 copies.
>No more publisher wide relaunches to gin up sales figures
>Make Ewing head Marvel writer

Thoughts?

>>88399989
A curse by other name.

>>88397049
So?

Fucking just put all that shit on Marvel unlimited and have DC do the same and fucking problem solved

>>88400042
Yeah. They need to bring back Thunderstrike, USAgent, and War Machine!

>>88397598
>mfw I don't go to the comic book shop literally across the fucking street from where I work cause its just comics and I prefer reading old Xmen on my tablet but I go to a comic book shop like 30 mins away to play blood bowl

>>88400042
Can't tell you anon. I'm a bit hopped up on meds at the moment. I can relay facts but not really think much of my own

I think the biggest thing is you'd need to replace Alonso, then add some editors who really know their stuff and can keep track of other ongoing comics.

>>88400167
>>88400167
>I think the biggest thing is you'd need to replace Alonso, then add some editors who really know their stuff and can keep track of other ongoing comics.

I don't think Marvel even has editors. Some of the shit people have been getting away with is remarkable.

>>88400042
And here is what I think would fix a lot of what is wrong with Marvel:
Fire all the sjws. Tell guards to shoot them if they are close to the building.
Moore, Gaiman, Morrison. THis is your home. Feel free to come and write wonderful stories with our characters. Do whatever you want with them. Oh, and could you solve the OMD mess, please?
Real continuity. Characters will grow old and die. And they won't appear in more than 2 series.
You bash on the rpublishers, I fire your ass for giving Marvel a bad PR. Besides, what kind of idiot insults future or former employers?
No more decompressed narrative.
No more Ultimate universe.
90s characters: kill them off. Fuck Cable, Deadpool and all that shit.
No manga influence. Let's keep comics pure and clean from inferior beings.
Creative Commons licenses for all Marvel products.
Epic Illustrated v2. European and Latin American stories.
Spanish translations of books. It's the second language of the US!
Republish pre-1990 material and let 90s books rot in the cellar.
Punisher out of 616 universe.
Millar: get out of here.
Ellis: finish your series or others better than you will do it.
Give Moon Knight a decent writer, for Jack's sake.
Don't charge more than 2 $ per issue.
More translations of foreign material (yes, including manga)
A Vertigo-like collection.
Fuck crossovers and events.
Less splash pages. We are telling a story, you know.
No Conservative messages in comics.
Aunt may dies forever.
Iron man: he fell into a puddle and got rust. Killed off or a B-list again.
Writers and artists keep the copyright every time they create a new character.
Characters can smoke or take drugs if necessary or cool.
Put the ads at the end of the story. No more interruptions.

>>88399279
Anon that's what Marvel always was. Back in the 90s when kids bought toys Marvel was nothing but an action figure company. That's the whole reason Ike was chosen to lead Marvel over a creative- he was from Toybiz.

The sooner everyone realizes that Marvel isn't a comic company the better.

>>88400242
Holy fuck! You just want to burn that damn house down and build a new one.

>>88400269
>always
Casuals gtfo

>>88400293
And the problem is...?

>>88400227
This is something I haven't been able to confirm, but I have been told that Perlmutter slowly cut down on the amount of editors, so now the remaining ones mostly just sit back because there are too many series

>again this is totally unsubstantiated. I haven't looked into it so treat it as rumor

>>88400269
Dude, compare 90s shit to today. The bigger stories blow the shit comic out of current Marvel out of the water.

>>88399459
They never learn, do they?

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>>88400344
>2030s Marvel will be even worse

>>88400320
Nothing. I can't really picture what that marvel even looks like. Also, I say 5 years off limits for characters you kill.

>>88400330
That shit wouldn't surprise me one bit. For the past 2 years, there have randomly been weird errors that go unnoticed.

>>88400371
>All new, All Different Avengers has only 2 members that are even Earthlings

>>88400242
Marvel is now bankrupt. GG.

>>88400436
That isn't necessarily bad, anon.

>>88400300
ALWAYS.

>>88400029
>Marvel doesn't have the merch rights for the movie X-Men, which means both Fox and Marvel have to be real careful about how they brand their merch. I'm not sure if I am describing this right. Marvel can't for instance use Hugh Jackman's likeness on their Wolverine merch, for instance.

You got it right. It's why all the X-Men products you've been seeing from Marvel lately have been primarily comic book-based (Marvel Legends, Funkos). The last movie-related thing I remembered was like Minimates for Days of Future Past.

>>88400242
I recognize this pasta!

>>88400371
>Black Panther is an African American Woman
>2099 Cap is the main cap
>Bucky, Nic Fury Jr, Thor, Namor, and Tony aren't allowed to be used because of there Misogyny.

>>88400242
>No more Ultimate universe.

But there is no more Ultimate universe.

>>88400479
>Not Americans
>Not even human
>Alien aliens

>>88400479
go back to tumblr you alien justice warrior

>>88400534
see >>88400489

>>88400029

>being this delusional

Fox just spent the last year stealing half of ESPN.

I wouldn't be making broad stroke remarks when it comes down to individual divisions and markets.

Fox also still owns the distribution rights to original starwars.

Getting a piddly little exchange of characters, Ego for Tv rights, Air carriers for whatever marvel got, that kind of thing is small potatoes, grudgingly talking to eachother kind of shit. I wouldn't go as far as you saying there is a thawing there. The war marches on anon.

>>88400556
>>88400537
Enjoy Bendis' GotG then.

>>88400673
They might be in competition with one another, but that doesn't mean they want to be. There's a reason big companies like to work together or merge.

If they have a chance to make more money, they take it. If Fox thinks working with Marvel for the X-Men could be more profitable than working solo, then it would.

I'm not saying they're diving down to suck one anothers cocks. I'm just saying they want to keep the option open just in case

>>88400740
oogha Chaka oogha chaka

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>>88400673
>the Disney/Fox War goes on

>>88400673
>Fox also still owns the distribution rights to original starwars
only physical distribution, and only for another four years
so get ready for a re-release before Episode IX

>>88400750
They don't merge because they want to "get along." They merge because every business wants to get bigger.

>>88400242
Literally no company in Earth would ever agree to some of this nonsense and some of it leads to to believe you think the writing part of comics somehow matters more then the business side that pays for the writing, except it actually doesn't and the Big Two both sued for bankruptcy some time ago and got bought up by parent corporations.

>>88400859
>no company in Earth would ever agree to some of this nonsense
YOU DON'T SAY? GEE, MAYBE I SHOULD STOP POSTING FOR FUN!
>you think the writing part of comics somehow matters more then the business side that pays for the writing,
Me and the indies.

>>88400859
Anon, this is pasta from many years ago. Did you miss the part where half the lines clearly only make sense in a late-00s context? Only thing that anon changed was the first line about "SJWs" but he left in the line about "no more conservative pandering in comics." The irony, I hope, isn't lost on you.

>>88400851
Yeah, which is what I am saying
It's a purely profit thing

Marvel and Fox not being at each others throats is purely because there might be a chance in the future for a better profit margin if they can forge a deal like Marvel and Sony did. That is it. It's not out of "good will". I have never claimed otherwise. If I didn't elaborate enough in the first post I apologise.

>>88400791
>get ready for a re-release before Episode IX
I'll pay the ticket. Disney SW is terrible.

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>>88395085
I guess this CBR poll was a warning sign.