ITT: Examples of Bad Forced Diversity

>>88389956
ur gey lol

Black Wally West

a plan so bad it died before it went anywhere.

I'm so glad you started another thread about gay iceman. There's aren't enough already.

>>88389975
>>88389956
Why don't they just make a new character instead of changing a character's race or/and sexual orientation? It's beyond retardation.

>>88390013
Because pre-established names sell.

It's still bullshit, but new names would be ignored in favor of known ones.

>>88390013
What's wrong with giving a new character the same name as an old one or revealing their sexual orientation to be something other than straight?

>>88390056
The current Giant Man is a gay latino man who is not Hank Pym

nobody knows he exists, because he's not Hank Pym.

>>88390045
>make an asian character white
MUH WHITEWASHING
>make a straight character gay
MUH PROGRESS

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>>88389956
The trinity of degeneracy

>>88390067
To be fair, Hank Pym's had like 7 different identities and is a wife beater so counting on one of his identities for name recognition is full fucking retard.

Also to be fair, that's more of a problem with the fans than the writers unless the books are shit, which again doesn't inherently stem from him being gay or latino or Giant Man.

>>88390089
The bottom line seems to be there's no way to win here.

>>88390056
If a writer really, really wanted to tell that story, fine, but it's a bit improbable that a bunch of writers conveniently around the same time all got the same itch to tell that story.

>>88390078
But they can be fun

>>88390111
>but it's a bit improbable that a bunch of writers conveniently around the same time all got the same itch to tell that story.
What about when writers conveniently around the same time all got the same itch to make everyone EXTREME!!! during the 90s?

>>88389956
They really should have had anyone other than Jean "I'll just abuse my telepathy however I want" Grey reveal it

>>88390013
Because people are capable of change and although it may trigger you to find out your gay tendencies might have a larger meaning, it gives other people hope

>>88390114
nope

>>88390125
In that instance we had a brand new company that was pushing that style to massive commercial success. So everyone had a good reason to want to follow suit.

This current trend isn't even a moneymaker.

>>88390101
>>88390111
And while we're discussing this issue in comics, keep in mind that relying on existing character concepts instead of introducing new ones also prevents property bloat that leads to shit like Convergence or the 75% survival rate of the X-men.

There's only room for so many active characters in a company and heroes don't just "retire". They die or get sent to limbo or something.

>>88390135
except gay people don't change we were born this way so having someone be straight then change to gay is highly insulting

>>88390134
>They really should have had anyone other than Jean "I'll just abuse my telepathy however I want" Grey reveal it
B-but it's ok when Jean does it.

>>88390153
>born this way
I'm gay too, but come on anon... you're embarrassing us.

>>88390149
>There's only room for so many active characters in a company and heroes don't just "retire".

They could if marvel and dc had the same approach than 2000ad. 1 year of comics equal 1 years for the characters. This way we could have new generation taking the relay without having a clusterfuck of clones characters

>>88390056
Because the old ones are still alive. It's not like MC2 where it's set in the future and legacy heroes can exist. Right now they're appropriating mantles they don't deserve just to give it to some targetted minority demographic.

Like I think captain americ 2099 is a hot white/hispanic lady, but that's okay because she's captain america in 2099 and time displaced.

Where as Sam wilson being black captain america and being a mouthpiece for shitty political narratives is awful garbage.

The same way Miguel O Hara was Spiderman in 2099 and is also a mixed race guy in the future, and we like him but not black appropriation Miles "one hit and quit" Morales, who wins every fight with one punch and has no character.


This doesn't hold true for legacy characters or chracters taking up a vacant position. For example.

Ms Marvel being arabic is fine because the ms marvel mantle was vacated, and the former user of the mantle upgraded to captain marvel herself, also a mantle with lots of hereos who took it up.

Robbie Reyes, also well recieved had an interesting character and was another legacy character, there's a lot of ghost riders, so it's safe to say that one can be hispanic.

Sam Nova was another one of those heroes, again hispanic, and agaain there's more than one Nova. Although no one like what happened to Dick, until recently that is, people were mostly luke warm to Sam. He's had his moments


Another example of bad appropriation: Kitty Pryde as Starlord, because what the fuck.

>>88390147
I don't know if they still think it could be a money maker or if they thought it could be at some point and now it's too late to do a massive rollback.

>>88390199
>Where as Sam wilson being black captain america
1. Actually Black Captain America is already a thing. His name's Isaiah Bradley and he's been around since 03 and in continuity he's still active and using the name Captain America
2. He's earned the mantle just as much as anyone else has that wore it, more than some.

>>88390199
Kitty got the push because of waifu syndrome, same as Lightning.

>>88389956
There's such a thing as good forced diversity?

>>88390165
When did you decide to be gay?

Pretty dumb decision honestly, given how much you've cut down on your potential partners and the stigma it still faces in some parts of the world. Surely it would have been smarter to decide to be bi?

Really, anyone that chooses to be gay is a fucking idiot. f course no one just "chooses" to be gay it's a mix of factors that influence development without conscious choice that can begin as early as the womb and you're a dumb faggot

>>88390187
Yeah, except Marvel and DC, and their audience, are entirely character oriented. People don't want to read about Batman's grandson. They want to read about Batman.

>>88390788
I was only making fun of you for using the phrase "born this way." In no way am I saying that people choose to be gay. I agree with your last sentence.

>>88390149
to be fair, Claremont tried to retire Scott and Jean.

>>88390020
/thread
Nobody wants NEW GAY MALE LEAD, they want gay Batman and Captain America.

>>88390067
That computer guy from Lang's book? I thought he's poo in the loo.

>>88390236
>continuity he's still active and using the name Captain America
Greatest story never shown on panel.
I wonder what's that kid Doom adopted doing now that his homeland is in middle of civil war.

>>88390840
And what happened? Not muh, forced unretirement and resurrection. Working for Big 2 is a bitch.

>>88390803
I wonder what it was like to live in the days when new characters were coming out all the time, and any new character could potentially be the next big thing.

Oh well!

Just make Sam/Nova gay and call it a day.

Everyone will be pleased.

>>88389956
>time paradox literally make you gay

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>>88389956

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>>88389956
>Examples of Bad Forced Diversity
I think the biggest problem is that current marvel has taken things to ludicrous levels across the whole line.

I mean: I've been reading comics for decades so I *know* that when Batman dies and Dick takes over ... it's not gonna last. Thus Steve getting "old" and Sam taking over as Captain America isn't a big deal to me ... because it won't last (and, in fact, Steve's already been de-aged in the comics).

However they didn't JUST make cap black or thor a girl or ... I mean look at this shit:
0-5 X-Men -> timedisplaced teens
Captain America -> Sam Wilson (or Hydra Steve)
Captain Marvel -> YAAS Queen!
Ghostrider -> hispanic
Hawkeye -> Kate Bishop
Hulk -> asian
Iceman -> gay
Ironman -> black teenage girl
Moonboy and Devil Dinosaur -> Moon Girl (also officially smartest person in MCU)
Ms Marvel -> brown Muslim teenager
She-Hulk -> grey (and going by "hulk")
Spider-Man -> brown teenager/Pete doing his best Tony Stark impression
Spider-Woman -> single mom via literal sperm donor
Thor -> Jane Foster
Venom -> edgy extreme 90's throwback
Wasp -> Nadia (Hanks daughter)
Wolverine -> X-23/Old Man Logan

It's not so much that I have an issue with most of these in isolation, given the nature of the medium, but ALL AT THE SAME TIME???

And that's not even getting into shit like Jessica breaking up with Luke Cage or the Guardians being "grounded" on earth FFS!

Sexual orientation shouldn't come up tat often in comics anyway, since it only comes across when relationships happen, and relationships in comics are almost invariably trash and uninteresting drivel

>>88391598
>ALL AT THE SAME TIME???
all-new, all different, same as it ever was

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>>88390935
>Just make Sam/Nova gay and call it a day.
>Everyone will be pleased.

>>88390199
KittyxStarlord happened because waifu and movie push.

>>88391598
Kate Bishop was Hawkeye before all of that m8

>>88390788
i decided to be gay a few years back to prank my friends
to this day i occasionally get them all together and let them fuck me as a joke, they think it's a riot

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>>88391650
>Kate Bishop was Hawkeye before all of that m8
I know that (I've read Young Avengers and Fraction's Hawkguy). I was referring to the upcoming ongoing solo book of the same name; just like Jen is going to be the new Hulk solo rather than being She-Hulk.

It's not that I have a problem with Kate being called Hawkeye it's just another example (when taken as a whole) of how the vast majority of the titles have been gender/racebent or otherwise radically altered (Old Man Logan/X-Teens/Gayman).

>>88391598
>However they didn't JUST make cap black or thor a girl or ... I mean look at this shit:
>0-5 X-Men -> timedisplaced teens
Holy shit established X-men characters from another time period and/or dimension are running around, this is totally fucking new!
>Captain America -> Sam Wilson (or Hydra Steve)
Holy shit, an american hero is being mind controlled to be evil and someone other than classic cap is wearing the mantle!
Captain Marvel -> YAAS Queen!
Holy shit, Captain Marvel is a woman!
Ghostrider -> hispanic
Holy shit, there's a new ghost rider!
Hawkeye -> Kate Bishop
Holy shit, literally who cares is literally who!
Hulk -> asian
Holy shit, an established character other than Bruce Banner has been given Hulk powers!
Iceman -> gay
Holy shit, an established character has been revealed to be homosexual!
Ironman -> black teenage girl
Holy shit, someone other than Tony Stark built an exosuit that looks remarkably like Iron Man!
Moonboy and Devil Dinosaur -> Moon Girl (also officially smartest person in MCU)
Legitimately bullshit for a host of in canon reasons, but it's tied into Inhumans so of course it is.
Ms Marvel -> brown Muslim teenager
The fuck is wrong with Kamela?
She-Hulk -> grey (and going by "hulk")
Holy shit, a Hulk changed their color and name!
Spider-Man -> brown teenager/Pete doing his best Tony Stark impression
Legitimately surprising if only because Ultimate Marvel is radioactive.
Spider-Woman -> single mom via literal sperm donor
Holy shit, there's a baby in Marvel that hasn't been taken by time travelers or someone living in an accelerated timespace and returned grown up yet!
Thor -> Jane Foster
Holy shit, there's a new Beta Ray Bill!
Venom -> edgy extreme 90's throwback
I can't even feign surprise at this.
Wasp -> Nadia (Hanks daughter)
Holy shit, a mantel god handed down to the child of a previous holder of said mantel!
Wolverine -> X-23/Old Man Logan
See Wasp and 0-5 X-Men

>>88391777
Hulk turning asian is probably the only thing I missed out mostly because I've been avoiding group comics.

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>>88390199
>Where as Sam Wilson being black captain america and being a mouthpiece for shitty political narratives is awful garbage.

I actually like how politically charged Sam is. The comic isn't being a pussy about offending anyone and even if I don't agree with it, it still does a better job at making Sam Captain America than Spider-Gwen's or 2099's Cap by leaps and bounds and sure they are ancillary characters in what they show up in but stronger writers should be on those characters if Marvel wants them to matter.

>>88391785
It's literally just Cho with Hulk powers

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>>88391777
Literally nothing wrong with Venom.
>>88391793
and none of the dumb, right?

>>88391827
>dumb
Hulk's not dumb. He's had supermath as a subpower since day one. How do you think he never kills bystanders with all the shit he throws around. He's just antisocial and doesn't talk very well.

>>88391827
>literally nothing wrong with nuvenom
fuck off you corporate shill, that's not even nuvenom, this horseshit is nuvenom
>>88362889

>>88390078
Sams not degenerate, Sam is suffering.

>>88391869
oh shit I totally didn't know.

I thought he went back to his regular self but with Brock or Flash losing the tacticool

>>88390199
>Ms Marvel Being Arabic
She's Pakistani not middle eastern

>>88390114
2/3 can be fun, 1/3 is a mary sue who ends fights with a venom blast. I'll give you a hint which one is the worst of the three.

>>88391879
It's okay, nah, nobody knows what happened to Flash, and we think they're setting up old crazy Brock.

All we know now is that Lee is the coolest thing sincce my chemical romance and that the Venom symbiote is weak against chairs and JNCO jeans.

>>88391895
Nothing can surpass the disappointment that is Toxin losing Pat offscreen.

I heard he's gonna be revived to be a character again soon?

>>88391895
I still think they're setting up Peter Venom and redsuit miles.

Marvel runs on rage at this point.

>>88391933
If Miles got anti-venomed, would it be white-washing?

>>88390134
This what pissed me off the most. As if I needed even more reasons to despise her.

>>88391930
I can think of a million ways to bring Pat back, and I can think of a million books for him. I'm honestly surprised no one's done anything with him. Just make him look like s ymbiote swat officer distinct from Flash.
Make him part of the NYPD's SHTF and have him deal with the threats nomal cops can't hack. You could even give him hybrid's symbiote dog as the K-9 unit of the super human task force. Bam, thing writes itself.
>>88391933
I'll be honest, that's what I was thinking.

>>88391945
It would be extremely painful.

>>88391930
Killing the cop that got back together with his estranged wife and newborn kid and competently low level heroed on the side offpanel was the biggest fuck you to fans of the genre in general.

It was the death of closure.

>>88391827
Venoms already black

>>88389956
There will be no such examples as OP's pic, it either that just other characters under already established name (all marlel current heroes), or it is character from rebooted universe like Alan Scott being homosexualist, or Brolly.
But granted marlel is 1000x more cancerous than DChads, when they even made Pater Parker into Miles Morales surroundings judging by the trailer of Homecoming.

>>88391983
On top of that he died in a gutter and to a villain he wasn't even fucking related to.

>>88391777
>there's a baby in Marvel that hasn't been taken by time travelers or someone living in an accelerated timespace and returned grown up yet!
I've been legit amazed that Dani Cage has lasted this long as a toddler, senpai.

We've currently got (off the top of my head):
Danelle Cage
Spider-Woman's kid
Jubilee's adopted kid
And Kung-Fu Girl (the new Iron Fist in the upcoming Iron Fists ... although she's like 8 years old or so and might not count).

Havok and Wasp's kid will apparently never be heard from again.

>>88390078
these arent that bad are they, I havent read champions yet but they seemed kinda cool in the avengers books

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>>88389956
It was a mind control subplot that they haven't resolved yet.

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starwars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16OOgx63Xts

>>88390013
Entrenched raceism doesnt let them see that option as viable, you have to be super progressive and throw them a white super hero because thats not being condescending and racist to literally everyone, nope not at all.

>>88390056
Robberts first appearance was in the early 60's hes an established character, and making him gay is insulting to gay and straight people.

>>88394931
This, except swap raceism with prejudice.

>>88389956
I never understood why changing a characters race or gender is automatically perceived as forced diversity. Characters and heroes and who plays them changes all the time I mean ironman was changed on a genetic level and no one seems to care all that much.

>>88389956
People are still anally sore about this?

>>88390114
Sam and Kamala are. Miles can go fuck himself.

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>>88394600
Why and how is teen Grey so hot?

Is it because IS THERE PORN??

>>88390013
Because it's as much about punishing the evil whites as it is uplifting the supposedly helpless minority.

>>88391777

>n-no all these things happened at the same time purely by coincidence it has nothing to do with D*sney's progressive agenda honest!
dat damage control

do they even pay you interns

>>88390867
Not muh was pretty steady in the letters early years of UXM. They just kept on dpng their thing though. Kurt buisick's letter regarding the nanny issues is a giod example of this. There was a time when Marvel was very selective with what they did and did not listen to.

>>88390067
I suppose you kinda proved your own point considering that Raz is Indian not Latino

>>88394476
Sam is good, Kamala is kinda SJW, and Miles just sort of...exists.

>>88398110
>Sam is good
Samfags need to leave

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>>88390078
Fuck you. Kamala is great.

speaking as a black guy, forcing Storm and Black Panther to get married annoyed me.

It's like a bunch of middle school white kids going "you look so cute together, you just... match"

>>88390078
For some reason these three don't annoy me as much as Ms.Marvel, or female thor.

>>88398417
shut up waifutard

>perfect opening for a bi character given Bobby's history of womanizing
>could actually explore how past Bobby's desires conflict with present Bobby's genuine love for the women he's dated
>in the end we could talk for ages about whether or not a brief snapshot of sexual desire in a hormonal teen's mind make Jean Grey able to correctly diagnose sexuality

And then they shoot it all down, because a straight woman telling a queer guy "no, you're not bi," never happens in real life and wouldn't be deeply insulting to many readers and in fact damaging to some of the young male ones this hack was trying to make feel included

Fuck this shit so hard

>>88399500
Didn't you hear anon? When a male character that has exclusively dated women in the past shows interest in a man, it must mean that they were secretly gay all along! All those past relationships with women failed not because of interpersonal conflict, but because the man was using them to hide his dick lust.

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>>88390199
>Right now they're appropriating mantles they don't deserve just to give it to some targetted minority demographic.

Cassandra Cain took up a mantle that was open for 20 years and look what happened there.

Two decades of growth for her predecessor where tossed down the garbage and she got booted to limbo for years herself because DC editorial is all NOT MUH

>>88398936
The writer was black and it was essentially his OTP. He talks about it in theessays at the back of the second KIRBY/lee FF omni.

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>>88398417

I just want to see a really disgruntled Monica cosplayer go around and photobomb Carol pics

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>>88390844
>gay batman
oh my, yes

>>88399693
Is that easy?
If I stare at cocks long enough will I get gay and liberated from the oppressive yoke of pussy?

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>>88399701
To be fair, Cass had been completely ruined before New 52, and Morrison was the only one trying to get her back on track.
Modern Cass with her rebooted origin is in a far better place.

>>88390236
>His name's Isaiah Bradley

But he's not in a movie. How will movie goers be able to tell two black marvel characters apart.

>>88399844

Well that's part of what I meant when I said DC Editorial. They where going out of the way to ruin her from the start. Even her book was canned because, allegedly, two girl bat books would be confusing to readers.

Come new 52 and guess who gets to keep her book alongside Woman. Babs. So apparently readers would be confused by a ginger and an asian but not two gingers

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>>88391675

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>>88389956
You're welcome.

>>88389956
What sucks about this one is that it can never be undone. You can't un-gay a straight character that's been gayed, and if you dare try, you'll just be labeled a bigot.

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>>88399944
Damn it, I forgot the ellipses.

>>88400026
She has an extreemly punch-worthy face.

>>88399957

Oh please, once this all dies down we'll just say he's bi or some shit and forget about it.

>>88399957
Can you imagine the wailing and gnashing that would ensue if a gay character was after 50 years suddenly revealed to have been straight all along? That he was just pretending to be gay?

>>88390155
Actually according modern psychology, it is possible to change sexual orientation over the course of ones life. They aren't entirely sure how. It's kinda like those people with strokes who end up with a different accent.

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>>88389956
Oh sweet Jesus

>>88390013
As soon as a new minority character is introduced people start complaining 'why is this minority being shilled' even if the character is not getting a push.

If an established minority character gets a push people complain 'this character does not deserve a push' or 'this character is too boring to get a push'.

I feel like the writers are handling things the right way because no matter what they do with minority characters some comic fans will complain

>>88399500
>history of womanizing
That's Warren. Bobby has a history of low-key relationships that don't amount to much compared to the shit the other X-men get up to.
And I don't like the forced outing either, but an insecure gay guy claiming he's bi is a paper-thin defense as old as the hills. You have to be careful when you use it in fiction these days though because some babyqueers aren't aware it's one of the biggest cliches in the world.

>>88390135
Especially changing your race, that one is just a matter of choice, innit? Look at Rachel Dolezal.

>>88391777
man, i've ready every single issue of spidey core books and about 90% of his cameo in official 616 books since 1963 and not even i am sucking marvel's dick as hard as you are.

>>88391793
Cho as a character just come off so wrong. It's better than he was never created.

Iron Woman

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>>88390134

It totally should have been young bobby and old bobby talking.

Its way more impactful to have an adult reflect on their opression and talk to their younger self. I know they had that scene, but THAT should have been the reveal scene, with no jean. Just a man looking at his younger self and telling him to be open and honest and live more a free life. That's drama, that's sci-fi, that's bigotry, that's everything x-men and gay rights is. How many people would want that moment?

BUT NOOOOOOO, they do it in the most perverse disrespectful way possible.

>>88403382
But anon they have to show how insightful and compassionate Jean is!

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>>88403560

fuck jean

>>88403622
Wasn't Bobby the only underage kid there at the time?

>>88390013

It's about money. You fags all sperg out like this shit has an agenda but it's literally "we need to jig audience, what if Green Lantern was a spook?" and people say "yeah that'll work." It's not some grand conspiracy it's just about trying to grow the potential market and create a little controversy/get attention in the process.

>>88403737
They were all underage I think. Scott was seventeen, Jean sixteen. But Bobby was the youngest at fifteen.

>>88403382
It totally just shouldn't have happened

Robbie Reyes is perhaps the only one in recent memory that wasnt pants on head retarded

>>88403932
This.
And I bet half of the people that complain about "forced diversity" think Miles is the first black spiderman

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>>88403382

Yeah. I don't think that any one is really mad that he's gay so much just well, the way they did it was really sloppy and honestly rather disrespectful to actual gays.

And then they parade around their gay hero like some kind of trophy shouting LOOK WE HAVE A GAY WE'RE SO FORWARD when all gays really want, what anyone really wants is to be left alone to simply be. They put his sexuality before anything else and it shows how sloppy it is. He's not a character anymore he's just THE GAY ONE.

>>88404128
>I don't think that any one is really mad that he's gay
Excuse me? I'm fairly mad that an established character who has had several relationships with women is suddenly gay.
The way they revealed it being so utterly stupid and disrespectful is just icing on that angry cake

>>88404187

So just read those stories and ignore the modern run. Honestly when comics and characters exist for this long there's a point where you have to quit while you're ahead anyways and let the next generation take over, your old books aren't going anywhere

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>>88391629
He doesn't really think Sam is his child, right?
He must get very nervous when Bendis is writing Sam.

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>>88403737
No anon, he was gay

just like you are

>>88389956
Black Jimmy Olsen on the Supergirl tv show

>>88403932
>>88400254

So here's my question. If gay, black, or whatever characters don't sell, why do we need to force them? If minorities can't read comics about whites, then why are whites expected to buy minority led comics?

The idea that "you all complain when we make new minority characters and don't buy them" is laughable because the entire argument for creating or replacing characters is that minorities complain about white characters.

Minority characters don't represent white readers. They don't speak to us or share our experiences. They are not relevant to us, and we don't want to read them. This White Man's Burden shit has to stop, because it is not our responsibility to subsidize the comics YOU want.

If you want more black characters? Fine. Go make them and buy them. No one will stop you. Boput stop trying to destroy our culture just to replace it with one that serves you.

>>88390078
Jesus Christ I hate Kamala and Miles.

I just feel sorry for Sam though. He's Mexican but always has to suffer for being a FUCKING MALE. He may as well be an honorary white considering how much Marvel hates him.

>>88405188
How has Sam even suffered

>>88405188
At least the newest Nova was enjoyable. He has that going for him.

>>88391598
>thor's a dude

Right? How weird it is that he's the same sex that he is in actual mythology?

>>88406235

if I had to guess from just the panel i'd say it's the people figuring out they're in a trap or something because it's the wrong Cap and Thor.

>>88406235
And they STILL haven't explained why he isn't fucking Worthy anymore!

>>88391827
Venom's a problem because he's now a villain again, which meant that every single person familiar with CURRENT YEAR MARVEL immediately knew he was going to be a straight, white male. Because Marvel may be all about progressiveness all the live long day, but you better get your brain fucking checked if you think they'd take a chance on getting negative publicity for introducing a new minority villain.

>>88390236
a yea the retarded cap with the drug consumer grandson such a great character

>>88390236
He's earned the mantle due to his tenure as "Steve's black bestie." Sam Wilson's history and characterization are both inconsistent as fuck, and now he's just being used by Spencer to live out his political fantasies of punching straw Republicans.

>>88399853
And the Russos put no less than THREE in Civil War.

The absolute madmen.

If Marvel wants real diversity, they should have Spider-Man and Nova come out of the closet and have a relationship. Hell... their real names are already perfect for a gay couple - Peter Parker and Richard (Dick) Rider.

>>88404128
>They put his sexuality before anything else
Well, that's what it means to identify as HomoSEXUAL, isn't it?

It's an identity based solely on who you want to fuck. It's obviously the most important thing to them.

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Remember when Stryker was an arrogant, show off who was looking to use his powers as a way to become famous as a super hero?

Then he had some sob story about how he was taken advantage off and was secretly gay and was just flirting to mask his own insecurity?

And then he came out fully and it seemed like he was back to his old show boat self for like a panel but in reality every comic that came out afterwards had to remind you that he liked penises even when it wasn't entirely relevant and no one was talking about him personally

>>88407457
Hey remember fucking any of the Academy characters?

>>88405138
This is a really stupid argument. It relies entirely on the "white as default" line of thinking. You act like it's impossible for any white man to empathize with a black or asian man, and yet I'm a white guy who watches chinese Kung fu cinema all the time, despite never having lived in the Tang Dynasty or whatever. By your logic no one should ever be friends with someone of a different race since they might as well be a robot.

What the fuck is this minorities don't represent white people shit? That says more about you than it does society. Ever watched Fresh Prince? Cosby show? Blackish? Tons of black lead shows out there where the race doesn't define all of the characters and their problems are relatable to anyone like they would if it was a white lead show.

Maybe, and just maybe, white people might want to make something starring a black person, not because they're forced to, but because they want to.

>>88407548
no you are not alowed to remember them they kept looking like they might take up panel space of the talents waifus

>>88406424
I wonder if they'll ever come up with anything. I really think that if they had come up with one, Thor would have his hammer already.

>>88389956
>facebook

>>88400156
Is this proven or one of those things that a social "scientist" theorizes after diddling a kid and not understanding a legit biologist.

Because people said that about electroshock for years and all it amounted to was the Kennedy's lobotamizing their high-functioning sister.

>>88404802
Anon they're gonna retcon shit and generally mock old readers.

Maybe this is the guys or gals hobby. It means something to him and you get a shitty lol ur gay to maybe your favorite character and it invalidates a lot of his character because of changes. It's like how Tony Stark still is that fucking teen prick.

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>>88389956
You mean stuff like this>

>>88407655
And SJWs act like minorities can't read white books. The argument is always that we NEED to destroy white characters because minorities aren't represented by white heroes, but that works both ways.


>Maybe, and just maybe, white people might want to make something starring a black person, not because they're forced to, but because they want to.

Except guess what? They don't. It doesn't sell. That's the entire reason that you people whine about needing race swaps instead of new characters is that new minority characters don't sell, and then when heroes are replaced by minorities, it also sells like shit (see:Marvel.)

So if new characters don't sell and you can't sell a character when you steal an identity, them maybe the problem is that there's no market.

>>88404802
>We aren't taking your video games away!

You're literally saying that we aren't allowed to have any more comic books because it's muh noritys' turn.