Champions

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Way too obvious.

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>>88381151
Champions are awesome! I always liked Garurumon, but the giant cactus is cool too.

>>88381151
I'm enjoying it.
Mostly because I don't spend my time on the shitpost threads that only exist to tell me not to like it.
It's really hard to enjoy something when some asshole keeps pushing a false narrative memorymeme about how shitty everything about the comic is anytime you want to talk about what was actually published.

>>88381858
Most the threads I've seen are pretty spot on criticisms of the book.
I think you just have shit taste.
It's yours to have, but its shit.

>>88381858
SO much this. Those of us who are making our own decisions adore the book.

>>88381151
>>88382076
literally gave me cancer i demand reparations

>>88381151
I dig the cast, but the third issue of the book felt really hamfisted to me, and I really don't like how Waid is writing Cho. Also, I can't stand Humberto Ramos' art.

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>>88381151

I enjoy the sick bantz in the storytimes, does that count?

I actually do like the book. Kamala, Miles and Teen Cyclops keep me coming back.

>>88381151
It's a good idea but it's dogged by having to play off of the aftermath of Death Of X (which was shit) and Civil War II (which still hasn't finished but is showing all the telltale signs of ending like a shart)

>>88382603
Third issue was what saved its place on my pull list, I fully expected to be dropping it but I've given it another month.

>>88384822
I didn't know steaming shit kept books on your pull list.

>>88381151

Is this a serious post copypasted from CBR? This sounds like something those creatures would say.

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>>88381858
And what exactly are these "false narratives" the big bad anons on /co/ try to force again?

>>88381151
It's cringey and unejoyable. A cheap attempt at making something "cool" and "hip" with the wrong writer. The idea itself may hold potential, however it's executed in the most stereotypical, corporately blandest way ever.

Marvel. Fix your shit. We know what's going on.

>>88381151
I honestly want to like it but it just seems really off putting. I liked Viv in Vision, I enjoy Ms.Marvel, I like the first couple arcs of Miles' in the Ultimate Universe, and just pages/panels /co/ post of Kamala,Miles and Sam make like their friendship. Champions Kamala's monologuing was a bit over the top, Viv getting triggered over ghosts was retarded, and it has done nothing to really grab my interest. The only redeemable thing about this book is Sam and he does barely anything.

It's really the best thing goning now.

>>88381151
TI hope you are sarcastic, anon

>Reboot Legion was good
>Threeboot Legion was solid, but was kinda rough when directly playing to the youth crowd
>Champions is cringe-inducing, very obviously an aging man trying to be hip with the kids
So I assume in another decade Waid will write a truly nightmarish teen book.

>>88387623
This. Prime fucking material, easily could've been the teen book "for the ages" and Waid just wastes it.

>>88381445
They are releasing new Digimon statuettes. It is now canon that Renaming has breasts under her fluff.

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>>88387899
BEHOLD.

And the fluff is removable.

>>88387848
In a perfect world, who would be the ideal creative team for Champions?

>>88388005
I desperately want Zeb Wells to make time for comics again.

>>88381151
Why cyclops is a kid?

>>88388070
He time-traveled in from the past. It's a long and very convoluted story (as per the X-Men standard).

>>88387848
Nobody could have done much better. The problem is tied to the fundamental problems of Marvel editorial running on "fans buy more books if they hate them" and ham fisted political ideals.

>>88388070
Beast brought the original five X-Men to the present in hopes that Rightclops seeing his idealistic younger self and friends would make him 'good'. This fails and I have no idea why they're still in the present.

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>>88381151
Would you be willing to buy the Stan Lee Box to support Champions? They've got two variants!

https://stanleebox.com/

>>88387848
Waid won't even let them fight proper supervillains. Thinks making them fight real-world issues is more important than just letting us have a nice and friendly book.

Dammit, let the Champions fight the Circus of Crime or the Young Masters of Evil, villain teams better suited for their age and desire to cover the small stuff that the big-name heroes won't. Let the Avengers themselves worry about things like child-trafficking and the Middle East.

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I miss Yost's New Warriors.
Just felt like mentioning that.

>>88389088
How is that a "Sketch Variant"? It looks like they put a grayscale filter on it.

>>88389194
He spent 6 issues getting through the first arc.
I don't know what he was thinking on that.

>>88389194
I don't even remember how it ended, but I remember Kaine getting choked by Thor because of a magic midget, and that was pretty great.

>>88389252
I dunno about you but I'll take taking too long to get somewhere over running to nothing very quickly any day.

>>88381151

Reading the new Champions book is like having to eat a cactus, I honestly can't understand how Ramos can get a job on the comic industry.

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>>88388005
Nick Spencer
He balances, comedy, and political material without being heavy handed.

Probably would make sure whatever artist that's on it doesn't copy paste expressions.

Otherwise Ewing would be a good fit for Viv where ever she appears. Make her go into technomancy.

Pak could be neat, as he does Chulk, and plays Miles as a straight man. He's also writing Kamala soon.

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>>88389542
>Otherwise Ewing would be a good fit for Viv where ever she appears. Make her go into technomancy.
Fund it.

>>88389522
I think Ramos works for cheap and he actually does meet deadlines, which is something some Marvel artists have been struggling with.

>>88389542
Damn I could fuck with either of those

>>88388005
Hastings, Loveness, Zdarsky, Ewing, Kelly and Thompson are the only Marvel writers with a sense of humor

>>88388055
>>88389542
>>88390091
But what about artist?

>>88390122
Scalera, Javier Rodriguez, Rocafort, Skottie Young, Stephanie Hans, Joe Madureira or Immonen

>>88389581
That's not a bad look for her.

Champions 001 (2016) (digital) (Oroboros-DCP)
http://www29.zippyshare.com/v/djuaY3Oc/file.html

Champions 002 (2016) (digital) (Oroboros-DCP)
http://www95.zippyshare.com/v/PKZrGVaR/file.html

Champions 003 (2017) (digital) (Oroboros-DCP)
http://www102.zippyshare.com/v/fFh0tIpZ/file.html

>>88387946
Sweet Lord. Didn't think I'd get a Renamon underboob fetish.

>>88381151
ahhh teenagers changing the world...nice. let me RT this and give it a Like. thats how teens are changing the world. GROW UP DUDE

>>88381151
Go to bed Waid.

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>>88382079
>Those of us who are making our own decisions adore the book.
Oh, gawd. Champions is the new Kino?

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>>88389542
>Nick Spencer
>political material without being heavy handed

Didn't Waid promise we'll know why Viv's characterization changed in issue 3? So did that happen? I didn't read this trash.

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>>88389542

Spencer is better on Cap because he is too heavy handed. Might as well keep him where he is.

Ewing is the easy answer too often.

Pak would be a better fit since he was the guy that worked on Cho the most. But try to get Van Lente as well.

Daring suggestion is Loeb. I think he does teens better and he's the opposite of an SJW.

>>88392470
She was raped by anti-robot bigots.

>>88389542
KIERON
G I L L E N
art by

A N N I E wu

>>88381858
If I eat this rancid pile of shit and pretend I like it I'll show everyone that I'm a free thinker that doesn't follow the masses!

>>88381151
OP is #woke

>>88384755
Civil War II still hasn't finished? Jesus fuck!!!

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>>88389522
I actually like Ramos.
He draws Kamala with those great DSLs

>>88388005
Frank Miller

Cake anon here. Could i post a thread without being banned?

I've been enjoying it because I'm able to remember that Kamala and Cho aren't being affected by the events of the Champions book and aren't being written any diffrent in their solo books, but mostly I'm enjoying watching /co/ turn inside out wuth rage over this book wuth every issue.

>>88395167
It won't end until Carol has absolutely no friends left and Ulysses is revealed to have been part of some elaborate evil plan

>>88382603
>I dig the cast
At least 3 characters there are from shit books

>>88395254
>rage
You misunderstand rage and mocking a shit book. Its also underpreforming. So I'm enjoying marvel shooting themselves in the foot again.

>>88393548
Wait really?

I was hoping this book would be like Young Justice. It's not.

>>88395180
He draws EVERYTHING like a female midget pornstar.

>>88395167
The Oath comes out next month.

>>88395902
How much did issue 3 sell? Like 45k?

>>88389581
But her aunt Wanda already has an heir.

I read the book for free and I could not finish issue 3
If his sister wasn't there I'd assume Cho was an OC made for this book with a Cho sticker slapped over it
And lastly, I have never liked Ramos, not when he was doing Flash in the 90s and not when he was doing Spidey in the early 2000s or the early 2010s

There are funny moments and at points it seems like Waid's skills are shining through
But anybody who really says this is their favorite book (even out of the two Waid books) is an actual retarded person just trolling you.

>>88396398
#2 was at 49,733. But #3 will also have two variants in the Stan Lee Box so it might boost the sales up a bit.

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>>88381151
I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but if it's anything like Totally Awesome Hulk, I'm sure it consists of amazing art, stellar writing and diverse, touching (yet hilarious!) characters!

>>88396398

we have no way of knowing.

>>88395205
Apparently Miller wants to write a Captain America book for Marvel. People seem to think that would be bad idea. I say let him. In fact Marvel should offer him a job there. His writing and political views would honestly be a breath of fresh air at current Marvel.

>>88390122
Gurihuru

>>88397450
To be honest Marvel has always had Frank Miller's fascist politics with the identity politics of SJWs. They're like the worst of both worlds.

>>88397676
Weeb garbage

>>88398083
Miller's facist politics could be a nice change of pace though, as well as being a bit of a counter against Marvel's SJW identity politics. And I do understand that whatever he would write would most likely bad. But at least it'll be a different kind of bad than Marvelfags are used to.

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>>88381151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mOywd92BM

Marvel even hired some french movie director to made a propaganda style trailer for Champions, I SHIT YOU NOT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mOywd92BM

>>88398125
Champions is garbage, anon. Might as well give it a super cute artstyle. That way at least it won't look like garbage.

>>88399008
Can't argue with that.

>>88388266

How did original Cyclops ever exist in the present if his past stayed in the present?

The comic is really fun. It has some problems (not as much as /co/ believes) but the way every page is made to enrage people online make it a really fun comic.
If you consider it non-canon it's much better.
The other books certainly don't care about the characterization in Champions.

>>88389542
I wouldn't want Ewing on Champions, because Ewing works great with deep continuity which wouldn't be there for a bunch of legacies.

I'd have liked Wilson to write it. She'd at least get the characterizations kinda down

Ehhh. You know what? I love the way Miles and Kamala are drawn, I have no love for DC comics when He-Man AND the Thundercats aren't on the cover, and this book was easy to pick up and follow apart from having to google who Cho was.

It's not going to last; more than likely the next big plot event will break up the team, but I like it. I like the simplicity and I'm just gonna enjoy the ride whether you chuckleheads hate it or not.

>>88381151
*crosses arms and nods wisely in agreement*

stay woke friend

>>88402020
Wow, everything you just said was retarded as fuck!

>>88400636
Nobody knows! It was explicitly using Doctor Doom's Back-To-The-Future style time travel as well (no alternative timelines junk, changes to the past change the present), and in one book baby Cyke temporarily dying caused classic Cyke to wink out of existence for a bit.

But this is the Bendis Age of Marvel Comics, where causality takes a back seat to just about everything. Presumably there will be a storyline at some point that deals with / hand waves the matter away.

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>>88390091
I liked Space Knight so I think would have liked Thompson on Champions. It would work even more perfectly if Mania were to be added to the team, considering his past experience writing her in Space Knight..