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So I just got done reading that new shit-heap of Venom. It's edgy, cringey and overall a piece of shit, now a try-hard pussy version of Flash thompson is acting all hardcore and the symbiote suddenly pussies out of the driver seat.
Where the fuck is Flash Thompson and who greenlit this jackass to write the worst Venom concept I've ever read.
This is almost as bad as agetn Toxin.
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Fuck it, time to show you how bad this actually is
VENOM#1 story time.
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>>88363117
It seems like it might go somewhere interesting....
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>>88363145
But then you realize the guy who wrote this is a hack.
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>>88362889
>>88363117
We know anon. We know. Also, Monday(?) Symbiote General?
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>>88363169
But anon! Mike Costa says he's a big fan and that this is his love letter to Venom.
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>>88363222
Lets see where edgy Steven Segall does next!
>>88363229
Well I didn't and I want everyone to know how bad it is so they don't go out and buy this piece of shit. I can already call what this guy's gonna do next. More on that later....
Speaking of later, wish I had a sacnner, Remender's Agent run was ace.
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>>88363258
He's an idiot who doesn't understand Venom, he shows that through out this shit heap, that this guy is just a watered down version of Flash who is less compelling as a character and is just being edgy as fuck. It's not even a new concept, we had Mac as bad contrast Venom already, speaking of, look who's here!
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>>88363340
AndI don't mean mac was bad, i mean he was a badguy venom. for what it's worth hewas a neat Venom because of his role in the bigger story at the time.
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>>88363455
>uncle tombstone
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>>88363475
>but now here uncle tombstone means female supervillian
I don't even understand this.
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>>88363509
Oh wait, I posted that outta order, oh well, not like this deserves respect anyway.
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>>88363645
What the fuck did he even do to that guys head? Crushed it? the fuck is going on?
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Symbiotefags deserve this for being the extremely whiny cunts, desu.
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>>88363802
>ow the edge
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>>88363863
That's it for this shit show.
What a load.
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>>88362889
>and who greenlit this jackass to write the worst Venom concept I've ever read.
I agree. I have been struggling to understand why someone would think this a good Venom concept. You're changing the host from one that was very well-liked by fans to a completely new character. And this new character is an unlikable edgy scumbag. If Marvel felt that Flash was the reason for Space Knight's low sales (even though he really wasn't) then they should have just had Eddie Brock be Venom again or fuck take advantage of Clone Conspiracy and bring back Ann Weying and have her be She-Venom again.
Also this book has been promoted as bringing Venom back to his roots. However I wouldn't say that's true, because I don't think Venom wasn't portrayed as being just a big evil brute. There was more to Brock Venom than that. This book feels like it's going more for Mac Gargan Venom. And Mac Gargan Venom was one of the most disliked Venoms!
I will say that the concept does have one unique thing about it: it flips the symbiote and host relationship. That, at the very least, is different from anything we've seen before.
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>>88363753
They whine the same as any other fanbase, except maybe Spidey fans who are constantly being cucked by Bendis.
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>>88363899
>Bendis
What did Bendis do this time? I thought Spiderfags loved him because of Ultimate Spider-Man and that Slott is spidefags' enemy #1.
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>>88363829
>>88363366
So here's what's gonna happen, Gargan's being set up as a reoccuring character. He's probably gonna find the symbiote and bond to it again and Lee here's gona be all like "nooooooo" and symbiote will go bak to him like a bttered housewife because it still believes he has a chance.
Then the little shit that burnt his house down is gonna be hunted by yours truly and become a main antagonist because fire hurts Venom. Then Lee will snap his neck.
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>>88363899
>except maybe Spidey fans who are constantly being cucked by Bendis.
Don't forget Slott.
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>>88363888
Space knight's sales were low because Venom isn't a space knight, he wasn't even set up properly he was shot into space by Bendis because he's a jackass of a writer. The agent Venom books sold rather well when they were written by remender.
For fucks sake, the book was around for a while Flash was Venom since 2011, that's a long god damned time.
>bringing Venom back to his roots
It's like this guy saw a t-shirt of Venom at hot topic and figured he knew what Venom was all about. He started as a Spidey anti-thesis and quickly became an anti hero. This is not even close to og Venom. Closer to Gargan, but Gargan was actually a likeable scumbag with a shorter tenure as Venom/Spider-man.
It does flip the relationship, but it doesn't make any sense, especially if he's "bringing Venom back to his roots"
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>>88363986
I didn't, but at leas the Slott Machine is sometimes able to spit out a jackpot, or at least a prize someone can make something of. Like Anti-Venom, or SpOck.
>>88363949
He's just as bad as Slott and quesadilla. Except he's trying to kill off mainline Spidey so Miles is the one true Spider-Man.
Can someone take over storytiming the GOOD Venom stuff? My captcha is slowing to a crawl here.
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>>88363753
This book does feel like the result of a Monkey's Paw. Like someone was like "I wish Venom was back on Earth and had some of his edge back!" and this was the result.
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>>88363366
so did he ask shadow to move or what
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Im going to keep preaching it, bring back Eddie
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>>88364473
Yeah, let him fuck off of muh Toxin and bring Pat back.
Toxin is shit without Pat.
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>>88364513
I don't understand why they killed him off anyway. Honestly you could do an interesting storyline with Pat and all the venoms if you wanted to.
>>88364473
I liked him better as Anti-Venom. Everything since lethal protector has been rehashes of his old Spidey rivalry, where as Anti-Venom he developed further and actually grew as a character.
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>>88364737
>Honestly you could do an interesting storyline with Pat and all the venoms if you wanted to.
Like pic related?
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>>88365191
Neat, wish it was real, but it might not be that great if it were.
I was thinking more of a brief team up book that explains how Crimemaster got the Toxin symbiote and could Lead Eddie back to Pat, could even get him Anti-Venom back if it was angled right.
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>>88363194
>Rent past due
You'll get your rent when you FIX THIS DAMN DOOR.
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>>88364473
My brother is a huge eddiefag, poor basterd.
I liked agent venom, I liked born again christian anti-venom (one of the few times I've seen christianity not shit on by modern marvel) but if this edge-fest is where they're taking the character just give it back to eddie. I mean damn, who thought this was a good idea?
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>>88365873
>I mean damn, who thought this was a good idea?
It really does make little sense. Who are you pleasing with this book. really? You're not pleasing the Flash fans and you're not pleasing the Brock fans. Who is Marvel trying to gear this book towards?
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>>88366009
I guess Gargan fans, but Gargan was more nuanced than this.
His limited was pretty funny, and he himself as a character was intended to be used as a foil, not as coldsteele the hedgeheg.
Maybe it's pleasing people who never actually read a Venom comic and have no idea who he is?
Maybe they wanna get the edgy teen DonteMayCry crowd? Even then though, his anger is way misplaced for that.
Not for nothing, I had friends in the military who got fucked by the va with more than a pussy " I lost one useful finger and one useless one that I can hide with a glove poor me" . Had a muhc harder life than this cringey fuck and I can tell you they wouldn't be this edgy.
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>>88364033
>The agent Venom books sold rather well when they were written by remender.
I think Agent Venom was still selling pretty well even when it got cancelled. It's just that Marvel was apparently going through one of its relaunches at the time and was cancelling everything. It consistently sold above 20k, more than any other symbiote series (including Carnage).
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>>88366087
Its for new readers. A lot of people know who Venom is and like his look but beyond that the info is limited with casuals. One of Marvels biggest issues the past few years is constantly trying to pull in new readers and as a result they further alienate anyone trying to invest into reading them long term.
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>>88365191
>Someone saved my pic
Nice.
>>88366161
Seriously though, when was the last time a comic had more than 40 issues? That's really good for a marvel book these days.
Also, just picked up Volume 2 of Remender's run. I already have the first volume signed by him (and one of the inkers), so now I just need the second one signed.
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>>88366207
I think the problem is thatthey've got thier priorities backwards. Agent Venom got me back into comics, one of the first trades I bought in a while.
The other problem with comics is accesibility, and there being tons of backlog to read to catch up. A lot of it which is badly written or retconned later doesn't help tthings.
Thirdly, nobody is gonna spend 4$ on a single book nowadays and it shows when trades outsell floppies in general.
The reason why comics worked back in the day is because they were accessible, cheap, and you didn't need investment to get into one. It was pure pulp, so yuo can see what the problem here is with the other points.
These huge events don't help things either, sure they boost sales initially, and some even help sales if the tie ins are good. But as CW2 has shown, big events too often leads to reader disconnect. Why the fuck should anyone have to read a cosmic event to find out what happened to spiderman?
They oughta go the way of the manag, and pay writers/ artists to work on trades and sell those. More bang for you buck I mean, manga are about as dense for 20$ and black and white, rihgt? what's 15 bucks more for similar quality and content with full color magazine pages.
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>>88366290
>Seriously though, when was the last time a comic had more than 40 issues?
That's what I've been saying man! Shit's ridiculous, I think it had more issues than the og Eddie run.
>signed vol 1, just got 2
Nice, I got 1 +2 looking for 3, was supposed to be out by now. Wish I had it signed though.
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>>88363564
So the goo wants to be a good guy like Flash, but this guy is a psycho who is super cool edgelord so can just instantly wrest control of the symbiote away from... itself?
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>>88366940
Yeah, fuck continuity, I want Venom to be like the edgelord from "HATE" that was that games name right?
It's even more bizzare since the symbiote has a history of being able to influence it's host, and it hasn't even been able to communicate this direct till recently. And now SUDDENLY it's ahuge pussy.
Nuh-uh, poppa Brock didn't raise no weaklings. If this thing doesn't end with him getting his teeth pounded in with Flash and brock reclaiming the symbiote I'lll be annoyed.
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>>88364473
They are.
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>>88367719
I don't think it's Eddie. Sorry man.
I wish Eddie and Agent Venom could co-exist.
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>>88367743
>editor teasing Brock since the series was announced
>in an interview said there was something big coming up for Venom's anniversary
>biggest Venom story in ten years
It's Brock.
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>>88367757
Hope that means they ditched edgy mc edgelord.
I just don't see how they can make Brock interesting again without regressing his character, or retreading old ground.
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>>88367765
Retreading old ground that hasn't been touched in 10 years isn't interesting to you?
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>>88367719
>It's Miles riding Peter
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>>88367765
>I just don't see how they can make Brock interesting again without regressing his character
That would imply he's had character development, which he basically hasn't in a long time.
He needs some good old tormenting from the souls of his victims.
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>>88367780
I hate the old, "must kill Spiderman"" thing. I'd like to see how lethal protector works now in the hellscape that is sjwmarvel. I'd also like it if they kept him buddy buddy with Pete like Anti was, want the old bantz back though. Wouldn't mind a Venom and Spidey team up book.
Still kinda miffed Flash got near zero interaction with pete and spidey. They were building to it before Bendis shot him into space....god damn it.
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>>88363888
>I will say that the concept does have one unique thing about it: it flips the symbiote and host relationship. That, at the very least, is different from anything we've seen before.
Bull. Hybrid was the first to truly switch around the host/symbiote dynamic with Scott being the edgy aggressor and the foundation symbiotes acting as his morality chain who all desperately try their best to hold him back from doing something they'll all regret. The only difference is that Lee has the asspull explanation of "the symbiote is extremely weak" to explain why Venom is still somehow his bitch while Scott actually had to struggle to fight against his symbiotes' whims.
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>>88367864
>I hate the old, "must kill Spiderman"" thing.
Agent Venom fans, everyone.
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>>88367915
You mean fans of definitive Venom story?
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>>88362889
So whats everyones ideal status-Quo for Venom the'd like to see
for me id love to see flash venom remain a guardian and a space knight, being a cosmicfag and with venom being my favourite character this situation seems ideal, although i wish the guardians wouldnt get pulled into the damn earth based events (i guess i have the movie to thank for that sadly)
for brock id like to see him back as anti-venom, being a dark hero like his old 90's run, unstable but tries his best
id like to see toxin to bond with a cop again, that was a cool dynamic of a young symbiote learning, even though toxin has seen some shit it could still be done with klyntar(could they really not come up with anything catchier) cleansing or some shit
id like mania so basically replace flash as the venom of his city, and every few issues he checks in to see if she's alright.
basically my idea would be that flash is a part time member of the guardians that pops in whenever he has free time, the Venom series can kinda play a little fast and loose with continuity of when he's doing stuff, but use his appearances in guardians to tether when/where he is based on what he references has happened
all other symbiotes could get like a monthly/bi-monthly thats just a little 2-3 issue adventure with anti-venom or toxin and maybe Mania
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>>88367915
Eddie was a better character once he stopped trying to kill spiderman. Bringing him back to that does nothig for the character of Eddie. You telling me Brock hasn't forgiven Spidey after all these years after making peace with himself, god, and almost dying of cancer?
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>>88367972
This, except I want Carnage man back, and I only want Agent Venom in space sometimes.
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>>88367915
>i havent read any venom comics ever
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>>88366161
Hello, agent_jcharris
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>>88368000
Huh? You know this guy or something?
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>>88363949
Bendis trie dto make a stupid origin for Venom, meanwhile ignoring the established history.
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>>88365191
Zebb Wells is a hack too. He forgot about Amazing Spider-man 315 where Venom beats the living hell out of Black Cat. In some series he wrote, She acted like she never saw him before...even after Maximum Carnage. He's damaged goods like this new guy,
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>>88367977
>You telling me Brock hasn't forgiven Spidey after all these years after making peace with himself, god, and almost dying of cancer?
Has Spidey forgiven Brock for all the murder?
He hasn't forgiven Deadpool and unlike Brock, Deadpool doesn't even like killing and would fucking like Spider-man's respect.
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>>88368038
I can forgive a guy fro missing one issue if they can write a better story, but this trite reads like an emo 7th grader's Venom fanfic.
I also wnna add the suit's had soem character development too, and there's no way it should ahte Spidey unles this shit writer fucks everyhting up. Hope Frank punches this jackass' ticket.
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>Zebb Wells forgot this moment of awesome from Amazing Spider-man 316.
I hate writers that don't do their homework and Editors who don't catch that stuff.
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>>88368051
Spidey sort of has when Brock became Anti-Venom and sacrificed it to save Manhattan. Though it is sort of like Peter's relationship with Wade where he doesn't completly trust him. I'm not sure if he trusts Wade or Eddie more.
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>>88366087
>Gargan fans
Do they even exist? I have never in my entire life seen anyone saying anything nice about GarganVenom outside of few people who read Sinister Spider-Man mini.
Hell, I'm a Scorpionfag and I think Gargan Venom was a shitty idea.
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>>88368066
Black Cat was also on Venom's team in Maximum Carnage.
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>>88367864
Brock was over the "must kill Spider-Man" thing by that point anyway, he was just another anti-hero on the moral spectrum but had an interesting story in that he and the symbiote were truly a pair, and truly partners
>>88368051
>Has Spidey forgiven Brock for all the murder?
All what murder? Spidey has worked with Wolverine and Punisher many times on friendly terms, or as friendly as they can be, and both of them have much much much much higher kill counts than Venom ever had
The idea that Brock was some ultimate evil killing machine who racked up bodies is enforced for no reason by dumb writers, because he literally never was
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>>88363509
I think they are referring to black cat being a crime boss.
Apparently everyone but slot thinks it's a bad idea.
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>>88368066
>implying marvel has editors
>implying if they decide to hire one that whey would do anything that inst >enforce this events presence
>implying marvel gives a flying fuck anymore
you sweet summer child
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>>88368077
Wasn't that before Brock went and murdered Hybrid and Scream's hosts for literally no god damn reason?
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>>88363564
I kinda would have like to seen hobovenom
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>>88368096
>The idea that Brock was some ultimate evil killing machine who racked up bodies is enforced for no reason by dumb writers, because he literally never was
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>>88368051
Deadpool totally liked killing, but he's grown out of it. Also Spidey used to be buddy buddy with Wade, but they keep retconnning it so they can have Deadpool earn his respect. It's really annoying when every writer does this.
I don't think Kelly did in the recent run, but I could be wrong. Also Spiderman varies depending on who's writing him, a level headed Spidey might not leap into action, unless Venom is super agressive. In Agetn Venonm Spidey lost his shit because he thought Venom kidnapped Betty, which admittedly was one of Spidey's dumber moments. But half the time it's someone out to kill him wearing the suit. If I remember right 90s lethal protector didn't ahe to worry about Spidey randomly beating the shit out of him. I remeber him handling Aniti-venom pretty well too, and he paired up with him too.
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>>88368120
>I've never read this comic and just pulled an image I found online
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>>88368066
>that pageFuck, now I can't stop thinking about the porn edits of that comic.
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>>88368135
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>>88368153
Wow, you did it twice in a row, good job.
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>>88368135
There's a reason why Brock was dubbed the LETHAL PROTECTER during his time as Venom, anon.
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>>88362889
>>88363880
Actually it looks like a throwback to classic venom. Venom was always edgey, stupid violence. It's the Flash Agent Venom that literally diluted the concept until it was just a generic superpower instead of an overblown 90s extreme evil rival premise we knew and loved.
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>>88363899
>constantly being cucked by Bendis.
It comes from two sides. In ASM, the main Spidey book, the character is getting shit on by Slott and everywhere else, he is cucked by Bendis.
Aside from Renew Your Vows, there is literally nothing good happening with Spider-Man books.
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>>88368167
He only killed people who deserved it, he didn't just do it for kicks. Like Moon knight, he also left some people alive if they could be redeemed.
Spidey's not gonna sperg out and start beating on Venom because "joo killed peoples!1!1!" he's not cool with it, but as long as he keeps himself in line he's fine with him. Anti-Venom did that. unhinged Brock was killing symbiotes because of that god crap, and I think the editors were pushign it. Like they wanted lethal protector back, and they wanted a crazier brock to pull in new readers. They shitcanned Anti-Venom so they figured they could clean up the symbiotes that were left and pair brock wiht Toxin to make it one clean package.
It's why they made Brock Agetn fucking Toxin when Venom got shot into space. They really don't know what makes books sell.
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>>88368162
At what point does a character become an insane murderer?
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>>88368190
>Actually it looks like a throwback to classic venom. Venom was always edgey, stupid violence.
No he wasn't, he was edgy violence wiht a reason. LETHAL PROTECTOR, not lethal monster.
>diluted the concept until it was a stupid super power
found the edgy hot topic kid, maybe read the book before you shit on it half pint.
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>>88368198
>He only killed people who deserved it
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>>88368200
You did it three times now. Congratulations anon. It's amazing to me.
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>>88368200
>low rez pics grabbed from google thumbnails
kek it's cute when you're retarded!
By the by, that's Spidey from reign or some suchs. An alternate continuity where mj died of spider jizz.
Not the same Venom. Try again sunshine, read books before you shovel shit.
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>>88368120
Yeah, you posted an image of him killing scumbags....same thing Wolverine has done for decades, what's your point? Do you not know what an anti-hero is?
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>>88368216
Again, that's Eddie now, not during lethal protector. anybody ever tell you you suck at this?
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So Venom fans, what are then essential runs to check out?
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>>88368233
autists being retarded, next he'll sat he was only pretending and he got us
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>>88368235
>Again, that's Eddie now, not during lethal protector
I don't recall ever saying Eddie only killed people during his Lethal Protector days.
>>88368230
>By the by, that's Spidey from reign or some suchs.
It's insane Brock with cancer dipshit.
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>>88368251
For Agent Venom everything by remender and Spidey issue 654.1 which is Agent Venom's first appearance and origin.
For Classic Venom, grab his lethal protector run, also that guest spot he had in Darkhawk cause everybody loves Darkhawk..
Also MAximum Carnage is a must. Then play teh sega cartridge of it.
You can skip the Gargan stuff except for sinister spiderman. Great art, and a fun read. Only 4 issues I think. I'd story time it, but I ain't got a scanner.
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>>88368272
>moving the goalposts to prove a wrong point
That's cute sweetums, but you lost this one. Go cry in a corner.
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>>88368253
More like Agent Venom fans being retarded, still mad that Flash isn't Venom anymore. They'll get over it eventually.
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>>88368287
Right on cue!
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>>88368273
Thanks anon.
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>>88368283
>moving the goalposts
I-what?
Those were never the goalposts. I never said jack shit about his lethal protector days.
My point was that Eddie Brock is an insane unrepentant murderer with multiple victims that did not have jack shit coming. Does he usually kill people that deserve it? Yes. Does he only kill people that deserve it. No.
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>>88367719
>The cover reflects what's in the book
Jolly good laugh sir.
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>>88368153
>>88368216
>Scream jobbing in less than two pages
>Hybrid begging for mercy like a little bitch
>Pat gets murdered off panel
Now I'm reminded exactly why I hated Reminder's run so much. Motherfucker shat on nearly every symbiote-related character just to help prop up the Flash/Brock rivalry.
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>>88368309
>>The idea that Brock was some ultimate evil killing machine who racked up bodies is enforced for no reason by dumb writers, because he literally never was
Lemme spell it out for you sunshine. this was your original goalpost. >>88368120
>The idea that Brock was some ultimate evil killing machine who racked up bodies is enforced for no reason by dumb writers, because he literally never was
Brock was not some ultimate evil killing machine, never was in his lethal protector days, he only killed scumbags back then.
Then you started referencing shit that happened after it, grasping at straws. Then you talk about him being unrepentant, when he absolutely was and that was the whole coming to terms with cancer and faith in god arc before he sold the symbiote and got Anti-Venom.
The new shctick of him killing the symbiotes was him thinking he was helping after becoming unstable, and is more due to editor fuckery than bad writing. It's very apparent in the Carnage mini he wasn't supposed to be the one in that thing., but I digress.
He's not ever meant to be an endgy villain he was an adgy anti-hero and he only killed badguys, later it was folks he thought deserved it, and guess what? Most of the symbiote hosts did.
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>>88368251
Shit edit but this is all the must reads for Brock. The last one is the Separation Anxiety trade that isn't out until the end of the month.
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>>88368331
>Motherfucker shat on nearly every symbiote-related character just to help prop up the Flash/Brock rivalry.
Not something he did at all, it was to set up Crimemaster using Toxin for his own means, but more importantly it was eidtorial. Remender does not like to do shit like this and ussually has a set group of heroes and villains he likes to work with, see his Punisher run during dark avengers. This stinks to high heaven of editorial.
They wanted Brock back in a suit, and they wanted Remender to tie it into his book so it'd sell. "VENOM VERSUS TOXIN WAHT!?!?!?" they wanted to have thier cake and eat it too. Shit didn't work obviously. So then they tried it in reverse by making Toxin Agent Toxin, which was fucking retarded.
Eddie wasn't even supposed to be the lead in that book, it was supposed to be Flash
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>>88368325
I know it's not much given all the covers for the new ongoing series depicted Brock Venom, but they probably are doing it this time.
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>>88368395
Till editorial changes thier mind. I just hope it's Brock and not this mega faggot. Or worse, Gargan again, becuase this guy set Gargan up to appear in this book.
It would fit Marvel's MO tease the fans, then give them something they hate so they'll rage and then make a quick buck from the publicity that gets.
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>>88368356
>Most of the symbiote hosts did.
He only killed 2 symbiote hosts. One only committed her crimes as a result of mental illness and not only had reformed, but was helping other people out in her new life.
The other was Hybrid's host and he most certainly didn't do shit to deserve it.
Then there was the nurse during his cancer days.
Brock is mentally fucking ill.
And to be clear, my initial goalpost was
>Has Spidey forgiven Brock for all the murder?
Cause that what those were, murder, not vigilantism.
I didn't call Brock fucking Carnage.
There is a reason the Punisher tried to kill Eddie.
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>>88368386
They should have used Anti-Venom.
And maybe changing his name in something less hilarious like Vaccine or Medicine
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>>88368439
>There is a reason the Punisher tried to kill Eddie.
Not Punsiher we're dealing wiht, Punsiher also has a penchant for killing vigillantes and also would've killed the symbiotes had he got the chance.
Besides, I showed you the posts you were defending. During Eddie's near final days I'm positive Spidey actually forgave Eddie, but this was befor he became Anti-Venom and went around trying to heal people.
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>>88368066
Marvel's got six editors for their entire line. I wouldn't blame them for not catching this shit when corporate gives them ludicrous workloads.
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>Punisher also has a penchant for killing vigilantes
That kill innocent bystanders. Or fucking prison guards as in the case of Brock.
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>>88368439
Brock is mentally ill, that's the appeal of his character. Not every character needs to be squeaky clean, also Eddie is a hero even if he kills people, he's a flawed guy who's kind of a mess and that's what people liked about him
I don't care if you call me "edgy" or some shit, Eddie created Venom and is what Venom is all about, the constant reinventions are just shit, I wish Marvel would leave the legacy crap to DC
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>>88368497
He did use Anti-Venom earlier in the run, and I think he wanted to do so again.t By this time they'd killed him off because of hack writers, so Brock was left without a suit again. So instead of killng Brock or letting him keep Ant-Venom they decide to keep him in limbo because they think he's a money maker waiting to happen if they milk him right.
And then this leads to trainwrecks like current Toxin.
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>>88368512
>but this was befor he became Anti-Venom and went around trying to heal people.
Which was before he murdered Hybrid's host for no god damn reason.
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>>88368540
You'll ditch God for Devil soon, Peter. Fuck you.
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>>88368547
No...no that was after, he didn't have the anti Venom symbyoite because he'd already lost it by that point, or he probably would've just killed the symbiote. Crazy Eddie happend directly after Anti-Venom.
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>>88368557
Mephisto isn't the Devil, he just says he is.
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>>88368540
I don't remember Brock being mentally ill at first, he was just a pissed off reporter who got really violent if someone tried to stop him from killing Spiderman. The reason being he lost everything to Pete and so did the suit. The suit fed off that, the suit is it's own character.
Matter of fact, I only remember him being a crazy dickhead to bad guys.
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>>88368582
To be fair, the suit does literally eat love out of the human brain so it could just be long term use drives a subject mad.
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>>88368582
Well he was going to commit suicide, which I guess some would say isn't a sign of mental illness but I always got a kind of manic depressive vibe from Eddie....also yeah, the fact that he wanted to kill Spider-Man, usually homicidal urges are tied to mental illness
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>>88368605
>Well he was going to commit suicide
In all seriousness, if there's one character that deserves a redemptive suicide mission, it's Eddie.
His last words shall be "Anne..."
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>>88368605
They explained that he was diagnosed with cancer when he went to kill himself in the church. It's why he was dying of it when he left the suit behind, it was keeping it at bay.
>>88368598
Does it? I thought that was a retcon bs thing, cause I mean, Carnage and Carnage man enjoyed the fuck out of being a red psychopath. I rememebr it feeding off adrenaline and enhancing it's effects or something.
Might be a thing based on the suits mood? Who the fuck knows anymore.
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>>88363888
I actually think this new guy could have worked in an Agent Venom books as a villain for Flash. A Veteran but unlike Flash hes a complete unlikable edgy asshole. Hes the kind of guy who if he got any win over Flash would just make you mad but Flash beating the shit out of him will always feel good because hes such an asshole.
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>>88368421
>Ben Reily's return.
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>>88368650
He would've been good as the original guy that they tested the symbiote on who we never heard anything about.
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>>88368646
>>88368605
Fuck I forgot to mention, this was one of the bigger reasons he wanted to kill spidey. If he didn't he figured spidey might accept and he couldn't let that happen or it was the big C for him. So he also fought anyone who tried to get it off of him, or could've seperated him from it for too long.
Little did he know he could've held out and gotten a free hammer of Thor.
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>>88367743
THEY FUCKING COULD IF SLOTT DIDN'T KILL OFF ANTI-VENOM
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>>88368666
>>88368650
This. And it's not like the symbiote doesn't make copies of itself. Mania is basically a hot chick wearing a dupe of the suit. They should use this to keep a suit with Flash. I want a Venom family book damn it.
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>>88368666
Dude your so right.
He just fits so well to be the rival type character to Flash. One of my biggest problems with Marvel right now is nobody seems to fucking think about an idea for 30 seconds before green lighting it.
>>88367972
>for brock id like to see him back as anti-venom, being a dark hero like his old 90's run, unstable but tries his best
I want this but i want him to be a little more of the crazy guy in a church preaching he is the cure like he was in Spider-Island.
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>>88368669
That's just headcanon, anon.
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>>88368706
Literally confirmed in Jenkin's spiderman run where he ha lets Spidey know he has cancer.
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>>88368646
>Does it?
Unless they retconned the whole brains thing, the symbiotes need a steady supply of phenylethylamine to survive and one of the ways Venom got its supply was eating the phenylethylamine Brock's brain produced. When that wasn't enough it went on a murder spree, and afterwards Venom managed to eat the shit out of a nonhost's brain without killing them, but I don't know if it can NOT eat the shit in its host if it gets enough elsewhere nor has it ever been established where the symbiotes get the shit since (other than Gargan who ate people).
I mean presumably the symbiote hosts just eat a lot of chocolate or something, but like I said, I'm not sure the symbiote can not eat the shit in their host's brain.
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Flash should have always been Toxin, and Eddie should have always been Venom but with writers who actually respect the character
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>>88368038
>>88368066
Wells didn't write Venom vs Carnage.
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>>88368736
>Eddie should have always been Venom
I'm mildly surprised Eddie's never been a Hybrid.
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>>88368728
You men's the same series that said Eddie grew up in Brooklyn and had cancer before he became Venom that came out in the mid 2000s?
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>>88368735
I mean, they made klyntaars a peaceful race for no reason. That was a thing.
Last I read it was adrenaline they fed off of. Shit's changed a hell of a lot.
Personally I'd like it better if somebody competent came along and wrote a definitive guide to what the suit does, and how it works. Then I hope they retcon the symbiote homeworld because it was a mistake to have evr gotten there or learned what the symbiotes race was.
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>>88368818
If you're gonna shit on what Bendis wrote, at least don't call symbiotes Klyntars.
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>>88368736
No, Tocin should've been Pat. An official police officer with superpowers on the force? they fucking need it. I can think of a bunch of differnt stories for Pat right now in the Vein of Ellis' Moon Knight.
Got hostages up on the 15th floor? Send Pat.
Got a riot breaking out on 5ht? send Pat
Superhumans terrorizing a mall? Send Pat.
Agent Venom could always be Agent Venom, and Venom could always be Brock because the suit cna do whatever the fuck it wants. I just preffered reverend Anti-Venom and that baller white costume.
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Why does this new venom have fucking Final Fantasy hair?
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>>88368841
Wasn't it Kylntar before? back when they were a race of evil sentient goo? Didn't Bendis make the real homeworld good and the other one the evil offshoots? God damned. it's like Wolverine's history, they should've left it alone, we don't need to know what the history is.
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>>88368818
>I mean, they made klyntaars a peaceful race for no reason. That was a thing.
Vaguely amusing how they went from one extreme to the other; Planet of the Symbiotes posited that all symbiotes (besides the Venom, which was regarded as a freak) were inherently evil monsters that existed only to eat and kill everything, to the point that a later story mentioned that they have an instinctive drive to murder their own children.
And now they're gooey Green Lantern rings.
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Better question. Where the fuck is Scorn, not to mention Hybrid dog and Scream?
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>>88368907
Scream is dead. Scorn still floating around. I wish Hybridog was on the Carnage team or this new Symbiote Task Force they're making.
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>>88368924
>Scream is dead
Scream's host is dead. Scream is alive.
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>>88368924
>this new Symbiote Task Force they're making.
what? with who?
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>>88368907
Killed by Brock iirc
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>>88368938
I'd love to hear where you got that. She's pretty dead, Brock ain't gonna show her mercy.
>>88368943
The new series is gonna have a Task Force to hunt down the new Venom consisting of Jameson, Brock, and Gargan.
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>>88368959
>I'd love to hear where you got that. She's pretty dead, Brock ain't gonna show her mercy.
Didn't he do to Scream exactly what he did to Hybrid (who is still alive) or am I confused?
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>>88368959
>The new series is gonna have a Task Force to hunt down the new Venom consisting of Jameson, Brock, and Gargan.
1. Fucking why Gargan
2. Aren't Jameson and Brock busy with fucking Carnage and the Darkhold at the moment?
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>>88368959
>The new series is gonna have a Task Force to hunt down the new Venom consisting of Jameson, Brock, and Gargan.
You got me excited there for a second, I thought we were gonna see J Jonah Jameson in a symbiote suit.
I never realized how much I wanted that until now.
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>>88368959
Jameson as in Man Wolf Jameson? With Toxin Eddie?
So they stick as a team after the Carnage run? neat, but aren't they on the other side of the world right now?
Also consider the following:
>Toxin eventually leave to bond with a cop to get hero Toxin back
>Eddie has remnants of the symbiote on his body and it happens all over again
>Anti-Toxinwho looks the same as Anti-Venom
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>>88369000
>1. Fucking why Gargan
Because he's one of the only people to have worn the symbiote and lived, makes me wonder why Flash isn't on the team though, guess they killed him off. I'm assuming this is going to happen once they've built up edgy mcedgelord and Carnage has decided whether or not to become carnage-man again. Somebody told me Cletus is actually in a flip flopy state to whether or not he wants to killl anymore or something. Hope it's true.
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Anybody write to the book? I told them I had zero reasons to read the book. Bad art, bad writing, bad story setup. I wonder what the sales for this will look like down the line if they really are jettisoning Flash, that's 20k readers potentially gone.
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>>88369029
>Because he's one of the only people to have worn the symbiote and lived
Right, and he was a slight step down from Carnage when he did. Why the fuck would anyone want him near the symbiote? Or anywhere but superjail?
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>>88369051
What if they make flash the new USAgent?
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>>88369064
Because they set him up already in this shitty book, see above. Like I said, I'm not entirely sure that they're not gonna just give Mac the symbiote again. Classic bait and switch and it goes with Marvels "make everybody mad to boost sales" bullshit.
Alternatively, they might be bringing him along so that he can get Toxin, or so that whatever symbiote decides to brith something it comes out green and slimey and makes him a symbiote scorpion. Ya feel me?
This smells of bad set-up all over honestly.
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>>88369099
But it's completely batshit. It'd be like giving AIM government funding, you're just setting yourself up to be backstabbed horrifically.
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>>88369139
Of course they are, and we all know bad writers set up people to be stupid on purpose. We also know that editors are mostly shit writers/ co-ordinators, unless they're Jim Shooter.
They want to give Gargan a symbiote, make him scorpion again, or both that's what I'm getting here. Maybe they want him for the second Spidey film and this is why he's getting a push bak.
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>>88369029
>Cletus is actually in a flip flopy state to whether or not he wants to killl anymore or something.
He was murdering people left and right to get the Darkhold and now thinks hes outplaying people who worship lovecraftian horrors and the old god type monsters themselves. Because of magic bullshit hes currently linked to the girl whos boat picked him up and he keeps getting flashes of her memories and she gets memories from him. Its actually kind of funny seeing Cletus inserted to these happy or emotional scenes from her memories then shes in Cletus memories having the shit beaten out of her by people.
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>>88369234
There's actually a lot of Lovecraftian bullshit going on in Marvel right now. Cancerverse, zombie virus or whatever that bullshit going on in Clone Saga is, and Darkhold are all active at once
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>>88366161
Man, Agent Venom was utterly killed by events. All those shitty events disrupted a perfectly coherent story.
I mean, I really liked the idea of Flash running black-ops for the government while his home life slowly crumbled, while occasionally running into Spiderman. Unfortunately, this completely fell apart by Circle of Four (awful) and Spider-Island.
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>>88369084
Why should Flash be US Agent? Their ideologies are totally opposite one another.
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>>88369659
So he can keep the world's best agent mug.
I mean obviously.
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>>88362889
Flash? That red speedster? He's at DC world.
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>>88363956
>snap his neck.
Like Bruce Lee? huh huh?
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>>88368497
Both of those names are shit
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>>88368959
>The new series is gonna have a Task Force to hunt down the new Venom consisting of Jameson, Brock, and Gargan.
No Flash?
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>>88363145
You know this going to be a shit series when literally the first sentence of the book is just flat out wrong.
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>>88368497
An antivenom is a thing, dude. The name works on multiple levels.
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>>88363145
>The costume was making him angrier and angrier
No
>First host
Didn't Space knight say there were other before?
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>>88369659
but at least then he can stand for something
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>>88363145
>When Peter realized the costume was making him angrier and more aggressive and actually a living organism
It made Peter into a living organism? What, was this written at a 4th-grade level?
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>>88368190
>I have never read a comic with Venom in it
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>>88363888
>or fuck take advantage of Clone Conspiracy and bring back Ann Weying and have her be She-Venom again.
I'm so sad that this will never happen.
/co/, how would this play out if it did?
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>>88368190
Ayy lmao
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>>88367892
Scott was an edgelord, too, but somehow they made him like able. He actually has a sympathetic and understandable motivation. He just goes over the edge with it.
Lee is just... edgy for, well, the sake of edginess. He has no motivation of any kind what so ever.
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>>88368846
>Patrick Mulligan becomes the NYPD's to-go-guy after Mark was deemed too fucking batshit crazy to keep on the streets as a reliable resource.
>Every issue is just another day of Pat's life as a super-powered officer on the force with Toxin delivering his usual colorful commentary as the duo faces whatever crisis their called in to deal with.
>Possibly appearances from Yuri Watanabe and an even more tired Detective Flint acting as members of his supporting cast.
Why isn't this a thing and why am I not reading it right now?
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>>88369452
Agent Venom literally started during the beginning of Spider-Island and wasn't hurt by the event at all as it was the only tie in where anything significant happened (The revile that spider king was Cap and stopping the virus from spreading past NYC), and the comic led into Circle of Four crossover seemlessly, then had a good 30+ issues of uninterrupted storytelling. If anything CoF was a mini Venom event as he was the only one who made his way to Vegas without organically, Rulk had a good reason to, but Fem Rider and X-23 had no actual bisness being there other than the crossover calling for it.. Are you sure you read Agent Venom?
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>>88368104
>for literally no god damn reason?
There was a reason. He had an existential crisis and started thinking all the symbiotes were evil and a blight on the world.
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>>88370028
>was making...and...organism
It's properly written. It just has a confusing sentence structure.
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>>88370346
>*Made his way to Vegas organically.
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>>88370338
You know what's the biggest bullshit?
Pat-Toxin jobbed to Blackheart despite being so strong he makes Venom look like a wimp, and then Blackheart gets oneshotted by that fucking nobody Miles Morales and his stupid fucking hax-touch.
If there's ONE thing the Clone Conspiracy could be fondly remembered by, is bringing back Pat and have Toxin bond with it, fixing it's genetic imperfection with its symbiote powers (if Otto doesn't do it himself first)
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>>88370356
>existential crisis and delusions
>reason
Also, even if he believed that he said there was no way to separate his victims from their symbiotes, which is bullshit.
People get separated from their symbiotes all the god damn time.
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>>88370358
That's what I'm criticizing. It's technically correct but really poorly written.
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>>88368367
You're missing the Sinner Takes All and The Hunted minis. Those were great.
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>>88370428
Keep in mind, even after Eddie lost Venom, it left it's mark on him, 'tainting his soul' as it were, and it was that corruption that Mr Negative accidentally turned into Anti Venom. In his own skewed way Eddie was right. I don't agree with that line of thinking, but I can understand and sympathize with it.
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>>88369974
And wasn't the whole point if it being imprisoned because it wanted to bond with hosts and have an actual relationship with them instead of hijacking their bodies like a fag?
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>>88367972
I want Flash on Earth, as Venom, fighting crime and shit with Mania. I think a series focused on the two could be really good. It could help further develop the relationship between Flash and Andi. It'd also just be a hell of a lot of fun.
I'll admit that I actually liked Flash's crew so I wouldn't mind seeing them again and Flash going into space every once in a while.
I don't want Flash to be a Guardian anymore.
Now this is unlikely but I would LOVE a Mania series (could be an ongoing or just a mini). A book from Andi's perspective, showing her dealing with the symbiote combined with her daily teenage life.
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>>88370533
A lot of us do anon
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>>88370194
I actually did think it had a chance of happening. A very, very small chance but still a chance. But then issue 150 was revealed and that seems to snuff out the possibility of it happening.
>/co/, how would this play out if it did?
>Ann Weying gets brought back in Clone Conspiracy
>Remembers killing herself
>Thinks she was weak for doing so
>Strives to become a stronger person
>Meanwhile the Venom symbiote ditches Lee
>Finds its way to Ann
>Ann fully embraces it
>She-Venom is back and badder than ever
If this happened I would have also liked She-Venom to be an antagonist to Mania. I think that could have worked really well.
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>>88370217
Is there a more "90's" page?
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>>88370217
Why did they clap?
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>>88370695
This one post made me realize how old I am...
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>>88368924
>Scream is dead.
She isn't. Like Hybrid, the host, Donna Diego is dead. But Brock wasn't able to kill the symbiote itself.
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>>88368959
>The new series is gonna have a Task Force to hunt down the new Venom consisting of Jameson, Brock, and Gargan.
Literally no where has that been stated. You're just making that shit up.
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>>88368985
>Didn't he do to Scream exactly what he did to Hybrid
Yes. He gutted the host with a sonic dagger. Which has been shown time and time again to not kill the symbiotes (see Separation Anxiety).
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>>88369029
>Because he's one of the only people to have worn the symbiote and lived
aka
>I don't know my symbiote history very well.
The Venom symbiote has had a fuck ton of hosts. Even just on Earth. Once it broke out of the Baxter Building it ran around NYC swapping hosts left and right, till it made its way to Pete's apartment in Web of Spider-Man #1. None of those hosts are dead.
Nor are any of the hosts that had symbiotes bond to them during the 90s Planet of the Symbiotes.
Nor are any of the hosts that had psuedo-symbiotes in the Venom Bomb from the Mighty Avengers story.
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>>88369914
>>88369974
Retcons, friends.
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>>88369974
>Didn't Space knight say there were other before?
Yes. So did the 90s Planet of the Symbiotes story. As did Dark Origins.
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So let's see if I'm keeping track of the symbiote family correctly.
>First gen
Venom
Mania (Venom clone)
Anti-Venom (kinda Venom clone)
>Second gen
Carnage (Venom's kid)
Hybrid (fusion of Venom's kids)
Scream (Venom's kid)
>Third gen
Toxin (Carnage's kid)
Scorn (Carnage's kid)
Raze (Carnage's kid)
Correct?
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>>88370428
>People get separated from their symbiotes all the god damn time.
Hell, Brock HIMSELF got separated from the Venom symbiote a buttload of times.
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>>88370584
I want that team-up to happen.Also Andi x Robbie could be a good ship.
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>>88370525
Yes, this is accurate.
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>>88370648
>>Ann Weying gets brought back in Clone Conspiracy
>>Remembers killing herself
>>Thinks she was weak for doing so
>>Strives to become a stronger person
>>Meanwhile the Venom symbiote ditches Lee
>>Finds its way to Ann
>>Ann fully embraces it
>>She-Venom is back and badder than ever
>If this happened I would have also liked She-Venom to be an antagonist to Mania. I think that could have worked really well.
I want all of this. Why has Marvel forsaken us?
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>>88368846
>>88370338
It really is a shame that proper law enforcement doesn't get their own champions. It would have been nice to see Pat fill that tole and actually team up with the police coordinating with them instead of escaping.
Also it will never happen but it would be interesting to see Toxin meeting Pat's wife and kid after his death, since she was aware of the symbiote.
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>>88370844
>Retcons
Retcons don't happen on a summary page. They happen in the actual content of a story.
This is just shit editing.
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>>88370872
>Raze
Has this been confirmed to be an actual symbiote?
Seems more like just a piece of the Carnage symbiote, like all of Carnage's other minions.
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>>88370872
Yeah
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>>88371060
Well, she has her own name, plus a completely different appearance than any other minion who were literally mini Carnages.
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>>88371120
Could just be rule of cool.
If I recall, they even talk about her feeling like a minion, don't they? She mentions Carnage having some level of control over.
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>>88371177
Yeah yeah you're probably right. We'll have to see how it ends to get the final word on it guess.
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Here's an idea that Marvel will never do.
>Peter meets the new guy with the Symbiote
>They fight for a while
>The Symbiote is being slowly corrupted by the new guy
>Peter reminds it of their recent encounter while Flash was still the host
>Peter stops for a minute and groans
>He offers to (at least temporarily) be the symbiote's host again so it can get away from the new guy
>Peter beats up new guy and webs him up
>Swings away with the symbiote telling it that he's sorry that all that happened
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>>88371245
>>He offers to (at least temporarily) be the symbiote's host again so it can get away from the new guy
This would never happen. Pete thinks the symbiote is creepy. That's why he got rid of it in the first place.
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>>88371278
Yeah I know. That's why I mentioned him groaning or whatever. If he ever did do something like this, he would just take it somewhere safe to get it off him ASAP.
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>>88365191
what's scorn up to now a days
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>>88371278
Last time they met Venom actually apologized to Peter and he accepted it, water under the bridge.
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>>88371245
Replace Peter in this scenario with revived Ann, please. Then it could work.
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>>88371327
Yeah, doesn't mean he wants to wear a living goo suit. Also, wouldn't be the first time he settled things with Venom.
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>>88370764
He's not making it up, that was mentioned by a writer who went to some panel who was summing up things said, but I'm pretty sure he was either confusing the Carnage series, or accidentally said Jameson instead of Thompson because I have never seen Jameson mentioned in any interview aside from that one guy.
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>>88371440
Source?
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>>88371413
Based Ann, telling Eddie what is what.
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>>88371471
>http://whateveraspidercan.com/2016/10/11/spider-man-clone-conspiracy-panel-nycc-2016/
>When talking about the upcoming new Venom series, Lewis, as quoted by CBR, claims, “This is Venom as you’ve known and loved him since he began.” He also, according to Newsarama, mentioned a “Symbiote Task Force” comprised of John Jameson, Mac Gargan, and Eddie Brock. “I guarantee you that Eddie Brock is in this book and will play a pretty big part in it,” said Lewis.
Since it's "according to newsrama", I don't know how accurate it is.
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>>88368778
Be it as it may, it's still canon. Might be stupid, but it's canon.
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>>88372430
That whole story was stupid as shit. That was when they turned the Venom symbiote into a generic hulking monster. For literally no reason at all.
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Venom fanboys are such fucking faggots holy shit
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>>88364033
>It does flip the relationship, but it doesn't make any sense, especially if he's "bringing Venom back to his roots"
Have you considered that maybe it's just a temporary thing to move the symbiote away from the Klyntar "guard the galaxy" shit Bendis coopted it for? I mean christ, you say Venom was great because he wasn't just a two-dimensional killer like everyone thinks, is it that hard to imagine that two-dimensional space knight is seen as something to get away from to get the damn thing back in more of a grey area?
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>>88373274
here's your (you)
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>>88373354
>to get away from to get the damn thing back in more of a grey area?
It was never in a grey area, though, until writes just said fuck all to the symbiote's continuity and no one could figure out what to do with it.
Up until 2003's Spectacular Spider-Man v2, in The Hunger story by Paul Jenkins, anyway. Before then, the symbiote was ALWAYS good intentioned and wanted to support its host, choosing to experience its emotions alongside said host, rather than dominate said host like the rest of its species.
Then Jenkins just said, "fuck it" and turned Venom into a generic hulking monster and the symbiote into an adrenaline vampire in his story. Since then, the entire idea of the character(s) has been completely fucked.
Also:
>being this defensive
Mike Costa, is that you?
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>>88373592
>Before then, the symbiote was ALWAYS good intentioned and wanted to support its host, choosing to experience its emotions alongside said host, rather than dominate said host like the rest of its species
Why do you equate "grey area" with "dominator?" I think good intentions, wants to support the host is much greyer than "pure paragon of justice, alien space knight guardian of the galaxy" or whatever it is that Bendis started. This experience could show the symbiote that the species, despite Bendis' retcons, still have the wrong idea about the universe. Not everything is good or worth protecting, so maybe it's enough just to bond with a host and look out for them.
Also I'm not defensive, I'm just surprised at the intense resistance to a semblance of character development after a single issue. Especially when we've already been through this with Gargan and Flash.
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>>88370533
>>88370584
Do a Batman beyond thing. Phily needs a Venom and she has the power and he has the experience
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>>88373741
>I'm just surprised at the intense resistance to a semblance of character development after a single issue.
Because there is literally no character development of any kind here.
Lee starts off edgy as fuck and does nothing but edgy things throughout.
The symbiote starts off weak. And stays weak throughout the whole issue.
What development even happened?
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>>88373741
>didn't say he wasn't Costa
Hi Mike!
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>>88371245
here's what marvel will actually do:
>new venom kills peter(for real I guess? Comics are too convoluted) to show how edgy, evil, and cool this new venom is and setup miles to be the new main spiderman
>miles avenges peter with his patented venom cumblast
>stan lee dies cursing disney on his deathbed
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>>88373817
>Lee starts off edgy as fuck and does nothing but edgy things throughout.
>The symbiote starts off weak. And stays weak throughout the whole issue.
It's only been one issue. You're trying to critique an entire story despite only having read the first chapter. Decompression fucking sucks but you have to take it into account.
And again, I point to Gargan and Thompson. People hated both of those fucks initially and went full "Not Muh Venom" but in time they've garnered their share of defenders and fans. Now I don't think Lee has much depth as a character but I'm also not convinced that he'll even be around for long. He's obviously an unlikeable dude but that could well prove to be the point in which he case he may serve his point.
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>>88374009
>It's only been one issue.
Yeah, that's the problem.
There is no "gimme". No hook. No reason to actually WANT to continue reading. As it currently stands, why should I spend money on a follow up issue? Because something MIGHT change at some undisclosed time? How many issues do I have to wait before the plot turns good?
As it stands, the lead character is totally unlikable and the symbiote just got shit all over. And the issue ends with the same continuing.
At least give us some kind of twist at the end that's intriguing. Rather then "see how fucked the symbiote is! SEE GUISE!"
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>>88374009
>People hated both of those fucks initially and went full "Not Muh Venom" but in time they've garnered their share of defenders and fans.
Readers LOVED Thompson, pretty much from the get go.
Right from his first appearance, we get a fresh new take on an already established character, showing the spy stuff. And it sets the stakes by showing that Flash doesn't have complete control, especially when he gets angry or heavily injured.
All of this was done in a single issue, too.
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>>88374009
>You're trying to critique an entire story despite only having read the first chapter.
If you don't want people to critique the first chapter DON'T JUST SELL THE FIRST CHAPTER!
In one chapter AF got us the empathize with Peter and explain his origin while telling a complete story with a hook to read whatever came later. We knew who he is and what his deal was.
It's not our job to give them fucking issues (priced at bucks a pop) to see if the story MIGHT be interesting. That's retarded
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>>88374009
>People hated both of those fucks initially and went full "Not Muh Venom" but in time they've garnered their share of defenders and fans.
There are Gargan-Venom fans?
Fucking where?
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>>88374296
Spider-Man's origin wasn't even a full comic book, it was told in 11 pages.
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Another
Single issue
Established a new status quo
Introduced a new hero
Established who she is and her own origin and how she was different than Peter.
I don't know if marvel does this decompression shit to boost sales of trades or whatever but it's completely off putting for single issue buyer. Stories that should take maybe two issues are being spread across five.
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>>88374190
The hook (for me anyway) is exactly that, I see the symbiote in a position of vulnerability and find it intriguing enough to want to know what happened and what happens next, it has fuck-all to do with Lee. To me he's not even the lead character, this is all about the symbiote. I sure hope it leads to Brock becoming Venom again.
>>88374227
There were definitely people on /co/ who hated Flash and just wanted Eddie back.
>>88374296
No shit, but those days are a long time gone and they ain't comin back again. Most modern series, even the good ones, take several issues to really get going first.
>>88374312
Gargan doesn't have fans but you see less "that stint was a blight" now and more "well it wasn't THAT bad."
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>>88370695
>He doesn't know about Hans und Franz.
PAD is too good for you kids.
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>>88374837
A story needs to have more to it "The hero is vulnerable" to be a hook. Gargan was one of Spdey's previous enemies given the power of one of his strongest, Flash was a super soldier Venom. Those are unique elements.
>I sure hope it leads to Brock becoming Venom again.
Oh, you're one of THOSE retards. That makes a lot of sense
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>>can someone list te flash venom tpbs? I just want to collect them all
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>>88374837
>There were definitely people on /co/ who hated Flash and just wanted Eddie back.
Yeah, but not because of bad storytelling. Because of "Not muh". There were also lots of people who loved it. Even on /co/.
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>>88374837
>To me he's not even the lead character
Then you're not reading the issue as presented. The symbiote hardly does anything in the whole issue. it slinks around, weakened. Saves Lee from some bullets and then becomes his bitch. That's pretty much it.
Oh yeah, and it has a couple dialogue lines like, "Don't kill him! Waaaaah!"
The entire issue is from Lee's POV, shows all of Lee's actions, focuses on Lee's dialogue, etc.
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>>88367972
I want a Spiders restricted to Peter, Kaine and Miguel with an obligatory fourth slot for whatever pets come and go. I similarly want Symbiotes restricted to FlashVenom+Mania, EddieAntivenom, and Carnage with whoever the fuck he wants.
Kaine and Miguel's adventures can be shelved whenever they aren't selling, but neither should die. Same with Eddie and Carnage. Flash can pass on the mantle, but only when someone actually fucking finishes the Mania Hellmark subplot.
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>>88375023
>A story needs to have more to it "The hero is vulnerable" to be a hook
Bullshit, plenty of stories begin with just such a hook.
>Oh, you're one of THOSE retards. That makes a lot of sense
Well where else is it supposed to go? Back to Flash? Stay with Lee? Another new host?
>>88375055
And you're telling me most of the response to this isn't either "Nut muh Venom" or "Not muh Symbiote?"
>>88375121
The symbiote is the one narrating the whole issue. Sounds like you're the one not reading it as presented.
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>>88375040
There are like 2 "Complete" trades. Just google that shit. Its not hard you ignoramus.
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>>88373759
I'd prefer a Batman & Robin thing but if I can't have that I'll take Batman Beyond. The idea is definitely better than what Marvel and Mike Costa came up with.
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>>88367972
>Andi as Venom.
Yeah, never gonna happen. Marvel is too terrified of straying too far from Eddie's iconic look to make a girl THE Venom.
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>>88375159
>And you're telling me most of the response to this isn't either "Nut muh Venom" or "Not muh Symbiote?"
Yes. Read what people are fucking saying. People aren't mad that there is a new host. They're mad that the new host is fucking lame.
He's the most obnoxious edgelord imaginable. It reads like a goddamn parody almost.
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>>88375247
>People aren't mad that there is a new host. They're mad that the new host is fucking lame
So it's "Not Muh Venom" then.
>He's the most obnoxious edgelord imaginable. It reads like a goddamn parody almost
I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to like or root for Lee.
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>>88375312
>So it's "Not Muh Venom" then.
So you're just going to dismiss any criticism you dislike? Got it.
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Since we're having a Venom thread, who would you say was better?
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>>88375312
>I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to like or root for Lee.
And? He should still be enjoyable to read. Make him an antagonist that is fun to hate. Not some obnoxious stereotype, veering on parody.
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>>88375159
>Well where else is it supposed to go? Back to Flash?
Yes.
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>>88375419
100% 90s TAS Venom.
Those creepy breathing noises just added so much to the character.
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Under a good writer, this
>>88363863
would be the first page.
It immediately establishes the conflict and situation.
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>>88375312
>So it's "Not Muh Venom" then.
If you're not going to actually discuss things... why are you even here? Are you just looking to shitpost?
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>>88369452
Circle of four was great you fucker, it was literally a neat mini series homage to McFarlanes fantastic four, it also showed that Alejandra is an awful awful character and I'm glad she's dead. X23 and Rulk had some good moments in it too.
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>>88375419
I'm not sure if USM Venom should even be included, because Eddie Brock never appeared on the show. We got "Venom" but not Eddie Brock Venom.
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>>88370403
Miles also jobbed black heart a second time furing the sjw issue, where the hot sjw vlogger noticed how miels skin is black and has a freak out and Miles proceeds to whine about how he's the black spiderman and not THE spiderman in the most unaware of self dialogue I've ever seen. Jackass your costume is black too, no one's ever gonna take you seriously.
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>>88375592
This, if we're including non-Eddie Venoms, gotta include Danny Trejo Venom.
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>>88375419
Unlimited Venom
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>>88375656
Wrong.
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>>88375399
>>88375553
Well it seems to me most everybody else doesn't want to discuss things either, instead just focusing on the surface elements like "the new host is too edgy" or "the symbiote isn't tough enough" instead of the interesting possibilities this has for the story after Space Knight. I guess we can thank decompression for that.
>>88375433
How would you personally go about it?
Also what's so fucking obnoxious about Lee anyway? He seemed pretty cut and dry sadistic psycho to me. Which no, I don't like as a protagonist, but it might ultimately make for a decent story for the symbiote.
I mostly don't like this notion that if this issue got your attention then you're somehow not a true Venom fan or whatever.
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>>88374368
And those 11 pages had more value than entire issues.
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>>88370648
You wanna know how it'd go? She'd be brought back, and would immediately jump out a window upon seeing Eddie. This is the kind of writing we're dealing with.
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>>88370533
>Not wanting a Mania/Hummingbird team up
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>>88375673
>Well it seems to me most everybody else doesn't want to discuss things either
No, you're just dismissing any argument you disagree with as "not muh". Stop being so dense.
>Also what's so fucking obnoxious about Lee anyway?
What isn't obnoxious about him? He's basically Coldsteel The Hedgehog. Its like some pre-teen wrote a "Muh Badass!" type character.
Hell, his "amputation" is a complete cop out. His two least useful fingers are gone? And he's traumatized by that? What a fucking joke.
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>>88374296
Having more Amazing Fantasy would be a great way to give life to comics worth our time.
>Propose new character/story, make a single issue of it as an experiment
>Check feedback
>If good enough reception, give it a chance at serialization.
But no, mch better to just go for the clickbait and outrage of ruining/replacing old characters to get sales.
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>>88375714
>She'd be brought back, and would immediately jump out a window upon seeing Eddie.
Sadly, Marvel would do exactly this.
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>>88373354
I can get behind getting it outta space because fuck Bendis, but giving it to the man in highschool most likely to "drawl in his skin" was not the way to handle this. In fact everything the guy thinks he knows about venom is wrong, and all the future plot points he set up are obvious. Fact is he wanted to make this bag of dicks a tragic villain, but it doesn't work because he's a handsome 6,4 imposing vet and all he lost was two fingers.
Flash already had a comparably shitty home life and he lost his fucking legs. Then this clown kills his best friend of years because he couldn't keep a secret? fuck off, you gotta build to something like that.
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>>88375224
meant that as role-wise, not literally be venom, she'd still be mania, just doing flashes job while off world
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>>88375769
>No, you're just dismissing any argument you disagree with as "not muh".
"Too edgy" is hardly a worthwhile argument.
>What isn't obnoxious about him? He's basically Coldsteel The Hedgehog. Its like some pre-teen wrote a "Muh Badass!" type character.
You're evading the question. What did Lee do in the issue that was obnoxiously edgy? We see he doesn't care about killing and he doesn't care about dying. If that's enough for you to write off a character as edgy then that precludes you liking a fuckton of cape characters, both heroes and villains.
>Hell, his "amputation" is a complete cop out. His two least useful fingers are gone? And he's traumatized by that? What a fucking joke.
Literally all he says is that the government has classified him as disabled which is preventing him from picking up any decent security jobs. There's nothing about being traumatized in there.
>>88375919
Man, I don't see anything about Lee that's supposed to be tragic. He's a straight-up killer, he doesn't even try to rationalize it.
Serious question... do people still not realize that the symbiote is the one narrating most of the issue? I'm wondering if that's not adding to the confusion here. I can see how reading that as Lee makes him seem way goofier and over the top edgy. Otherwise, he's seem like just your average ordinary psycho to me.
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>>88374009
Okay fine, lets compare it to Venom's first issue, he starts off as wanting to do the right thing, and in control of the suit. He's got a shaky but loving family too. By the end of the issue he's already lost control once and we can see the addiction forming as well as the facade that he would develop to hide from his family and his superiors.
It sets up a bit more than that, but it has the startings of character development. This has nothing. The only thing this idiot set up is that flame kid is gonna be his nemesis and he's gonna try to kill him for revenge, and Gargan is also gonna be another target because he set him up too. Wow, so deep, much edge.
Basically the guy has no nuance and no self awareness, Lee himself is basically a super whiny bitch version of Flash.
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>>88368673
The thing about anti-venom is they could literally have reed or another smarty pants hide a little sample of the white suit somewhere, then eddie can steal it and it'll either blast off the toxin suit or he'd just put it on depending on the situation, brocks shown many times he can get shit done without the suit
plus it'd make the "no eddie i nEED EVERY SINGLE CELL" copout less insulting
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>>88375159
>And you're telling me most of the response to this isn't either "Nut muh Venom" or "Not muh Symbiote?"
It's both, this jackass is basically Flash but worse, and an edgelord. The writing is bad, the chracter is unlikable, and the only other character in teh book I'm invested in who has established cannon is the symbiote, and it's chracterization is a complete bitch.
It's the fucking worst book.
I didn't like Gargan as Venom, but it was something interesting and it had some cool things for the dark avengers. He also worked as a classic "kill spiderman" guy. This guy is literally a fanfic version of Venom and I can't understand who would've greenlit it.
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>>88363753
>>88363753
No one deserves this or Bendis.
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>>88376055
>It sets up a bit more than that, but it has the startings of character development. This has nothing. The only thing this idiot set up is that flame kid is gonna be his nemesis and he's gonna try to kill him for revenge, and Gargan is also gonna be another target because he set him up too. Wow, so deep, much edge.
See I don't really care about Lee's developmental prospects (or lack thereof) because I see him as the villain here. I want to know what this means for the symbiote. I can dislike Lee and still be interested in the story.
>>88376159
Why does everyone think we're supposed to like Lee? What is wrong with the symbiote itself being put through the ringer?
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>>88375433
This
>>88375673
>How would you personally go about it?
You either make him a tragic villian, or make him a guy that's you love to hate. Either way you set up his motivations as understandable. He's literally just "muh fingers" asshole doesn't wanna work and keeps getting shady jobs. Not only does his sob story make him look like a tool, but we had a guy like this before, he lost his legs, BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE.
Secondly he kills his friend at the end of the first issue, you don't fucking do that right away, that hack writing, That's something you build to, you have the inklings of "hmm maybe this guy's gonna blow Lee's secret" you set him up for the fall.
You also don't make his motives paper thin, I already know what this tool is gonna be doing for the next few issues. Hit it rhymes with Bargain
You wanna a good example of a Venom you love to hate ? "sinister spiderman" mac gargan's mini as dark spidey. Shit was gold.
>Also what's so fucking obnoxious about Lee anyway? He seemed pretty cut and dry sadistic psycho to me. Which no, I don't like as a protagonist, but it might ultimately make for a decent story for the symbiote.
His chracterization wasn't like Cletus, who was a smaller pat of a bigger story, and who has mental problems,. He's a selfish prick who is the edgiest piece of shit I've ever read. It's like the worst shit from the 90s congealed into one book, all it needs is giant shoulderpads and pouches. It's not even self-aware, not to mention it shits all over established cannon.
>I mostly don't like this notion that if this issue got your attention then you're somehow not a true Venom fan or whatever.
Because you're not if you think this is classic venom, like the idiot claims, This is like some kids idea of Venom from seeing him once in a cartoon and buying t-shirt of him from target.
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>>88376208
>Why does everyone think we're supposed to like Lee? What is wrong with the symbiote itself being put through the ringer?
We're not, we're supposed to hate him and want him to die, and guess what? We do! I've been saying this exact thing since issue 1 dropped.
I, for one, can't wait to see Venom turn on Lee and move onto a new host. My problem with the series this that I don't know what happened to Flash, and why Venom is no longer with him, we know Symbiotes require a host to survive so that explains why its too weak to fight Lee off.
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>>88376052
>too edgy is hardly a worthwhile argument
It actually is you mongoloid.
>what did Lee do that was edgy?
He killed hsi best friend of years for possibly blowing a secret and then a homeless guy who would have no credibility. Not to mention his hackneyed backstory of parental abuse (which his mother stopped dead when it happened) and his former friend burning his house down and killing his mom (who he's gonna try to kill later). Christ how dnese are you? Aside from that, the guy made his symbyoit his bitch because he's so badass!!!111! They also tried to throw in a bit about wartime ptsd but it was disjointed and made no sense.
>Man, I don't see anything about Lee that's supposed to be tragic. He's a straight-up killer, he doesn't even try to rationalize it.
Except he does try to rationlize it "i killed him because he'd squel just like this homeless guy" You also don't see what I mean because the writer failed miserably.
>Serious question... do people still not realize that the symbiote is the one narrating most of the issue?
It's not you funcking mong, it's Lee, The symbiote has a brief bit in talking to lee before he completely overpowers it, which no one has ever been able to do, I guess it's because Lee's this badass remorseless killer huh?
Are you the writer? because I don't see any other reason why you'd shill this book so hard.
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>>88376427
See I don't care about any of this shit because I don't care to root for Lee. I'm not looking for a new sympathetic antihero. I don't care if he has understandable motivations. I don't care that his wounds are light and make him look like a tool, especially compared to Flash. In fact that almost seems like the point to me. These things make Lee unlikable to the point that I detest him and want to know how the symbiote is gonna bounce back. That's enough to at least get me to check out the next issue.
That said, I don't find him obnoxiously edgy either and certainly not "the edgiest piece of shit I've ever read." Again, he seems like an ordinary psycho to me, and not one we're supposed to root for.
>>88376549
That's what I gathered. And while it might be cheap the sort of cliffhanger-pickup leaving out Flash is also a hook for me.
>>88376569
>villains do bad things
Stop the presses! How fucking edgy!
>It's not you funcking mong, it's Lee, The symbiote has a brief bit in talking to lee before he completely overpowers it, which no one has ever been able to do, I guess it's because Lee's this badass remorseless killer huh?
Oh my god, dude. Read the issue again. The symbiote's narration boxes are black with white border. Lee's are the inverse until he bonds with and overpowers it. This is made crystal clear during that spread where they first start to bond. The symbiote is narrating most of the issue.
Seriously, it makes a world of difference in the presentation.
>Are you the writer? because I don't see any other reason why you'd shill this book so hard.
I ain't the writer and I ain't shilling anything, I don't give a fuck if you buy the book or not. I fucking pirated it in fact. I'm merely having a discussion about a book I expected to hate but wound up being interested in.
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>>88376208
>See I don't really care about Lee's developmental prospects (or lack thereof) because I see him as the villain here. I want to know what this means for the symbiote. I can dislike Lee and still be interested in the story.
That's just it, ther'es development, or lack thereof with lots of villians, it's jsut that they take reasonably bad decisions and go down the wrong road. Or they act out of selfishness. As for teh story, no. The guy says that this is a throwback to how Venom used to be, and it's completely wrong, Venom was not like this, the symbiote was not like this, this is not a loveletter, this is an idiot's interpretation of Venom.
Ialready don't ccare about the symbiote because it doesn't even act like the symbiote. It's a battered housewife. The symbiote has never been a bitch. No symbiote ever has.
>Why does everyone think we're supposed to like Lee?
Because he's the headliner for the fucking book, if you're not supposed to like him you're at least supposed to make him entertaining again, see "sinister Spiderman"
>What is wrong with the symbiote itself being put through the ringer?
Because the character is not the symbiote, it's like if Spiderman tried to mentor a kid and the kid beat the shit out of him because this kid is so hardcore, and they completely forget what Spidey's powers are and they make Spidey a weak willed weakling. The guy doesn't respect the source material and the character of what has been nearly every symbiote since thier inception.
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>>88375759
I never said I didn't want that, anon :)
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>>88370872
Yep, well Mania is more like a satellite of Venom (iirc this was said in Agent venom's run but i may be wrong)
And Hybrid is defused, now the dog have all the Hybrid's symbiotes
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>>88376838
From what I remember of the explanation it was a clone that Venom devoured, and he lucked out because it gave him a way to spit the hell mark out of his system by spitting the clone with it.
I said Hybrid because essentially they're still together and in theory should be able to join again, plus I admit I don't remember their individual names (Agony? Lasher?)
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>>88376704
>Stop the presses! How fucking edgy!
Ignoring bad writing
good job retard, gold star. Kingpin did bad an edgy stuff too, ever watch netflix kingpin? Good character, did edgy shit, but he had a reason. This guy doesn't.
>Oh my god, dude. Read the issue again. The symbiote's narration boxes are black with white border. Lee's are the inverse until he bonds with and overpowers it. This is made crystal clear during that spread where they first start to bond. The symbiote is narrating most of the issue.
So you were right about the boxes, still doesn't change the fact that the symbiote bitched out when it did. Symbiote doesn't do that. see
>>88376549
What we have here
>>88363564
>>88363645
is a plot contrivance, if the symbiote is talking about how hard it is to be a good guy, then why didn't it try to stop him? The symbiote was shown to nearly overpower Spiderman with it's urges, just like every other symbiote has. For good symbiotes, as mentioned earlier, they will force bad guys to NOT do something bad.
If Venom was trying to change, why didn't it stop him? Again, shitting on a character to make in convenient to the narrative.
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>>88376065
Or you could have the explanation for Anti-Venom's return be that it was never fully gone, just very slowly regenerating since Spider-Island, like Ultimate_Kardas had it be in the plot he wrote for >>88365191
https://www.reddit.com/r/thevenomsite/comments/562zxv/my_dream_symbiote_book/d8gnx0x/
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>>88370338
>Possibly appearances from Yuri Watanabe
I could see her being a rival character given that Pat tried not be all Lethal Protector-y whereas Watanabe has recently gone full Punisher.
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>>88376925
Keep in mind Venom is weak right now, too weak to separate itself from Lee, unlike Angelo here, it's a key part of the story that Venom isn't 100% right now.
>>88376969
Self replicating nanobots made to inhibit the anti Venom symbiote found in Brock's white blood cells, planted by Reed because he was worried about Brock having the power to 'cure' the F4
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>>88376921
Agony: Purple girl one
Lasher: Green one
Phage: Brown-ish yellow one
Riot: Venom without the Spider Symbol (he truly had the laziest design)
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>>88377113
>Reed literally destroys an eternal fountain of disease cures because they'll take muh powers
Doom was fucking right about this asshole.
It's not even like his stretchy powers are that useful, pretty much all relevant things he does are from science.
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>>88375224
>Marvel is too terrified of straying too far from Eddie's iconic look to make a girl THE Venom
I know this is never going to happen. But I think having a woman host be a lead to a book would be a genuinely interesting change.
I don't know why writers are so afraid to tackle that. Zeb Wells almost did it in the Family Feud story, but chickened out.
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>>88377113
>Keep in mind Venom is weak right now, too weak to separate itself from Lee, unlike Angelo here, it's a key part of the story that Venom isn't 100% right now.
Still a plot contrivance since we have no idea what happened to Flash, looks like he's dead or MIA. We also know the symbiote has had multiple hosts, and he kinda looks weak in one panel, we don't actually see it being weak, having the homeless guy fight it would've gone a way to showing us where it was at, instead it bonds to it and looks mildly upset, I thought ti was because the guy puked out the alchohol.
Instead it kinda throws itself onto this idiot and it verbally communciates that it doesn't want this. SHOW IT, have him fight the symbiote and win, even the briefest struggle would inform the audience more.
I'dve liked this story better if Venom wasn't such a pussy, that "noooooooooooo......"
"we don't want this!"
that was cringey as fuck. This concept should've had a better wrtier.
>>88377113
>Self replicating nanobots made to inhibit the anti Venom symbiote found in Brock's white blood cells, planted by Reed because he was worried about Brock having the power to 'cure' the F4
Totally something Mr.F would do. This and this
>>88376969
Anti-Venom was gold, we should've never lost him.
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>>88377261
Fem Carnage was great, but honestly I was really happy when I realized the symbiote was trying to get back to Cletus.
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>>88377261
What are you talking about? Marvel loves that bullshit, they made Thor a woman, they made Captain Marvel empowered, they're trying to make Ironman a black woman, they got black spiderman. They would LOVE to do a fem symbiote. Problem is they'd fuck it up hardcore. Just like they've fucked up every single one of those characters.
Best female lead that had the symbiote was earth x May.
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>>88377236
>It's not even like his stretchy powers are that useful
He tanked a fucking mountain falling on him once.
Invulnerability is fairly useful.
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>>88377406
>Best female lead that had the symbiote was earth x May.
Why wasn't she in Spider-Verse?
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>>88377420
Big deal, I bet Flatman can do that too.
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thanks for reminding me I commissioned this last week but hadn't posted it anywhere yet.
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>>88377328
I'm still willing to give the ongoing a shot though, so long as they don't drag out the "What ever happened to Flash?" trope like they did with the X-Men and Cyclops. I xan deal wuth 3 or 4 issues being in the dark about something like that, but a whole year is too goddamn much.
The symbiote, acting heroically, threw itself onto Lee to try and protect him, it was only after it was stuck did it realize the error it had made, but by then it was too late. The struggle doesn't happen because it's weak, and Venom is forced into a sort of role reversal wherein it's has to watch this asshat use it while it's powerless to stop him. I don't think it was all that bad to be honest, but I'm no athuorty on comic writers, just a fan.
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>>88377483
Oh my god that is great.
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>>88377512
Artist's tumblr if you're interested. He opens commissions regularly. http://liefeldianabomination.tumblr.com/
I've gotten a few Manias from him.
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>>88377483
aaaaand Shipped
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>>88377483
Thank you for sharing. That's great stuff, who'd you hire?
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>>88377483
I feel like neither of them would want anything to do with eachother.
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>>88377541
>MAYnia
that works too well
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>>88377471
I dunno, if she was I'd like to se that, she had a baller costume.
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>>88377483
I love it, well done. Who's the artist?
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>>88377535
Hmmm, I should speak to this person about doing a few pages of my script...
>>88377471
Didn't Kang scoop her out of her reality to join his team in Uncanny Avengers?
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>>88377501
Oh, I'll read this trainwreck, but I ain't payin a dime, we'll see if he gets better, but I doubt it.
I never wanted Flash to go to space when there was still more to be explored on earth, that's what you do to characters who run outta development.
Same with killing off Anti-Venom, that should've kept going, he was fun as fuck. It was like Eddie turning over that leaf he never got to and going on adventures with a hooker.
I also don't want to see the symbiote turn back into a badguy, I like it when it conflicts with the main hero, but I'm sick of seeing it hulk out all the time. It should be a special kinda thing. I just hate when characters go backwards in character development due to hack writing.
Did spidey ever find out Flash was Venom? I know he did in the what if of spider island.
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>>88375419
90's Venom. It's not even a contest. I know people liked the spec version, but I thought he sounded super lame, especially compared to the 90s perfection.
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>>88377710
Flash was sent into space because Bendis saw he was getting popular and wanted him on his failing Guardians team, Slott went full retard on Anti Venom, it's still my head canon that Reed hit him with nanobots, knowing Eddie didn't know enough about blood cells to call him out on his bull shit. As for Venom doing a heel turn again, I'm like you, I hope it doesn't happen, but if it does I want it to be like when you see an abused animal that's been reformed, get abused and go back to its vicious feral state, it fucking sucks and you hope whoever is doing the abusing pays their pound of flesh later.
And I don't think Peter ever found out about Flash, but Battleworld: Spider-Island was a lot of fun with this bit.
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>>88375419
My vote goes to
>>88371245
n64 Venom was GOAT
>SPIDER WUSSSSSSSS
>EH HE HA HAHAHA
>we're sorry we tried to kill your girlfriend
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>>88377837
>Flash was sent into space because Bendis saw he was getting popular and wanted him on his failing Guardians team, Slott went full retard on Anti Venom,
Fucking Bendis and Slott machine. Bendis didn't even use Venom, and that issue of Space Kngiht with Mania was tragic, guy wanted to write Agent Venom. Bendis really needs to be taken out back and shot. Sllott....slott needs to not write, but be paid to spit out ideas, .
>And I don't think Peter ever found out about Flash, but Battleworld: Spider-Island was a lot of fun with this bit.
This shit kills me, so much potential here, Flash, the old bully of pPete, and eternal fan of Spiderman, barely has any Spidet interaction. Remender set it up, but we never reaally get to see much of it. Fucking criminal.
>You will never get to see Flash and Pete broing out on the field
>you will never see Pete and Flash Team up book
>You will never seem tehm come to blows or reconcile those differences
fucks sake Bendis, you fucking hack.
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>>88377948
Blaming Bendis or Slott is usually a meme, but honestly, almost everything that I don't like about current Marvel can be traced back to those two.
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>>88376921
Dont worry Anon, i didnt remembered them until >>88377123 posted
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>>88377999
>A world without Bendis, Slott or Quesada
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>>88377948
Slott should just go and write a GLA ongoing.
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>>88376925
>The symbiote was shown to nearly overpower Spiderman with it's urges
This never happened.
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>>88377113
>Keep in mind Venom is weak right now, too weak to separate itself from Lee
It has literal control over his entire nervous system.
Previous to this shit issue, never once has it not been able to do assert its control if it chose, even in a weakened state.
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>>88367719
> Biggest Venom story in ten years.
> New Edgelord Venom kills Eddie.
> /co/ flips their shit.
> Marvel counts the bucks and laughs manically.
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>>88377328
>looks like he's dead
They're never going to kill Flash. He's a major Spider-Man supporting character.
He's probably locked up somewhere as a prisoner or something. That way he can't just come and rush to the symbiote's aid right away.
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>>88378119
Yes it did, The shit that happened in the 90s cartoon happened in the books, why do you think every incarnation of the suit has done the same thing since then?
He'd wake up sometimes on the cieling in the suit after having nightmares about it. This was a thing.
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>>88378171
See, this is what I'm afraid of. Shit's all retarded. If it were me, I'd do this as a fake out, and then Have Eddie reanimate via Anti-Venom cells Then he'd go find his hooker girl firend and they'd make a night out of beating up edgey mc edge lord.
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>>88377406
>They would LOVE to do a fem symbiote
Then why don't they? How come every time they get close, they back out.
>Mania back to character limbo
>Tannis Nieve was almost She-Carnage, they backed out
>Tannis is Scorn now. But stuck in character limbo. Probably never to be seen again.
>Donna Diego dead. Symbiote MIA.
>Leslie Gesneria dead. Symbiote on a dog.
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>>88377406
>Best female lead that had the symbiote was earth x May.
I would HARDLY call her a lead. She was hardly even in any of the Earth X trilogy at all. The only exception being Universe X: Spidey.
But yeah, Universe X: Spidey is a stellar comic and this iteration of May is fantastic.
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>>88377948
Peter knows about Flash, but Flash doesn't know about Peter.
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>>88377483
I want this to be an actual comic.
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Mania would be so cool in MvC
Instead we're probably gonna get shitty gwen
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>>88378195
>The shit that happened in the 90s cartoon happened in the books
Show me ONE fucking page set in Earth-616 where this happens.
Oh wait. You can't. Because it never happened.
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>>88378298
That's exactly what I meant, nobdy in universe x really was a lead.
Her book was sheer tears, good stuff.
>>88378253
Probably because they want the Venom branding and hack writers can't work with Venom unless he's
>le mad badguy
Plus they're too bus trying to push these shitty gender swap race swap heroes. Once Whore dies of cancer and black iron womaness is forgotten and dead, they might try it.
I think fan backlash would be surreal if it's bad though. Considering that it's a wonder it wasn't done yet.
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>>88378276
For a long time I thought that was Scream. I may not have known about Mayhem when I first saw that art so maybe that's why.
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>>88378195
>He'd wake up sometimes on the cieling in the suit after having nightmares about it
Never fucking happened either. At MOST, Peter woke up, from laying in his bed, still tired. It never made Peter hyper aggressive. It never made Peter "evil" none of that shit.
All the symbiote did was re-join to Peter at night and continued doing exactly what he was already doing: fighting crime and smooching with Black Cat.
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>>88378440
>I think fan backlash would be surreal if it's bad though.
How easy would it be to just change back, though? Its worth a try, if not for a full story arc.
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>>88378482
>and smooching with Black Cat.
I recall this inspiring a pornographic comic where the symbiote puppeteers a sleeping Peter into fucking Felicia.
It was actually kind of disturbing.
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>>88378430
okay chucklefuck
Best I could find, notice how he says "I couldn't stand being your puppet" yeah, that's because it did happen.
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>>88378195
taking your body for joyrides while you're asleep is a far far far cry from overpowering your mind while you're awake
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>>88367864
Wouldn't mind a Venom and Spidey team up book.
This would be the shit. I want a team-up like the PS1 game from way back in the day. The bantz between Spidey and Venom would be amazing.
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>>88378389
I'm wondering what they could do to differentiate her from Venom and Spidey gameplay wise.
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>>88378651
>Best I could find, notice how he says "I couldn't stand being your puppet" yeah, that's because it did happen.
Go read Web Of Spider-Man #1, you fucking dipshit. That isn't what happens.
The whole issue is about the symbiote trying to prevent Peter from forcing another separation. But I wouldn't expect a filthy casual like yourself to know anything about that.
That line was in response to hypothetical Reed posits when the FF removes the symbiote from Peter the first time about how the Symbiote MIGHT have attempted to take over his body. Never once does this ever happen.
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>>88378892
>That line was in response to hypothetical Reed posits when the FF removes the symbiote from Peter the first time about how the Symbiote MIGHT have attempted to take over his body. Never once does this ever happen.
Except it did you fucking dipshit, took him around at night fighting crime.
Not only that, but in every piece of media since then it's been depicted as modifying his personalty as such. Even if it's just making him more aggressive during combat.
Only thing I see here is that you're an autistic manbaby who can't ever never be wrong. Guess what champ? You lost.
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>>88370014
kek
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>>88378854
The same shit they did to make Spidey and Venom separate characters in the first place
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>>88379053
Not him, but he's right. Yes, the symbiote took over his body, but that's only because it was trying to do what would make him happy. It took his body on a joyride, just to fight more crime. And then tried making out with DeWolff because it sensed that Peter was sorta interested in her.
At no point in the original comic did it ever actually affect his personality. He got rid of it because he didn't like the idea of a sentient alien living on him. He had always thought it was just super advanced alien tech before.
The 90's show introduced it making him angrier, and yes, that's how a lot of forms of media have done it, but not in the comics.
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>>88379053
>Except it did you fucking dipshit, took him around at night fighting crime.
Because it thought that's what he wanted. It wasn't manipulating him or changing his personality in any way, dumbass.
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>>88378323
Throw in Mayhem too.
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>>88377600
I wonder how Mania would get along with Mayhem.
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>>88379841
Probably not well.
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>>88378230
Why did they even get rid of Anti-Venom? I never got that. It seemed like the one post-Venom identity for Eddie that could stick.
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>>88378276
What?
Are they on some kind of date?
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>>88369006
>J Jonah Jameson gets a symbiote
>The symbiote gets a mustache
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>>88377406
Electro is a chick too. And so is Tarantula.
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>>88379841
Mayhem a shit. That whole storyline was the iceberg that sunk an otherwise good run by DeFalco on Spider-Girl.
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>>88367719
>Venom 150
That is one HELL of a stretch to call it that. Are they including shit like The Mace in there?
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>>88381025
There have already been symbiotes with mustaches, though.
>>88381079
Yes.
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>>88363863
why does he have his fingers back?
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>>88381726
Because Marvel editors are brain dead
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>>88381726
How could Flash walk without a wheelchair in Agent Venom?
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>>88381857
Well there's multiple answers to that.
You'd have to point out the page, but it's either
A) he's using the symbiote to form legs obviously
B) he's using the robot legs from secret avengers
or
C) lazy editors
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>>88381962
>A) he's using the symbiote to form legs obviously
Ding ding ding
Same thing with this edgelord. He's using the symbiote to make new fingers. You can see that his hand is already whole right after killing those thugs and talking with his friend.
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>>88381962
He also just used regular old prosthetic legs briefly.
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>>88367972
have Professor Pizzaman Invert the Klyntar so they're a bad guy race again. also have Carnage get Inverted by accident. put Inverted Carnage in a buddy book with Anti-Venom Eddie and send them on wacky slaughterventures.
have Flash reclaim Venom but he goes back to the Agent Venom look bc Klyntars are badmans now. have him leave the Guardians and join Alpha Flight so he can do sci-fi stuff but closer to home and with a more military feel. make him a featured AF character with Agent Venom-focused arcs but not specifically an Agent Venom ongoing.
give Toxin toBen Reillyand put them in an ongoing with Mania
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>>88382019
But it's not the symbiote. The symbiote is laying there on the ground in front of him.
Hell, he literally bitch slaps the symbiote with a chair next issue (and that somehow works)
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>>88382379
>slapping symbiote with a chair
god damn this is hilarious
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>>88381726
I think it's just a crappy coloring job. It looks like he's supposed to have his glove on, and according to the previous pages, his glove appears to have fake fingers in it or something to give the appearance that his hand is normal.
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>>88382379
>>88382528
>Symbiote weaknesses: sonics, fire, chairs
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So question. What if they're doing a reverse of the usual Symbiote story of the Suit corrupting the wearer? What if instead the Symbiote influences Lee and makes him more of a hero and less of an edgelord? Could that save this book?
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>>88381047
Though there's already been two female Tarantulas, so that's not surprising.
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>>88378253
>>Mania back to character limbo
I think it's too early to say that. This new Venom series has only had one issue so far. She could making an appearance later on.
There's also speculation by some that she's going to appear in the next Champions issue, based on the black hand in pic related. I'm not necessarily saying that's a good thing but hey its better than nothing right?
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>Venom
>They forget to draw the white squares on the hand
Even worse if it's Brock. Then they have no excuse.
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>>88384655
Doesn't she have the white rectangle on her hands
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>>88366087
>I guess Gargan fans, but Gargan was more nuanced than this.
Speaking of Gargan, he's probably one of the few things I liked in this book. I like that now he's not freakin out about being stuck in a suit all the time he can be a bit of a fun prick. That's what Lee lacks so far. He's just quietly pissy, no snark, no pulse.
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>>88383396
Yes,Mike, it will be interesting. Don't forget to add sex scenes between Lee and Venom. With candles and romantic music.
>>88384655
I won't belive it's Mania.
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>>88385760
So does Venom but that doesn't stop cover artists from forgetting about them. Like here >>88363117, for example.
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>>88381047
I'm always kiinda irritated by Cheung's sameface, but the colorist is doing a great job on Clone Conspiracy.
Also, the sameface works perfectly this time kek
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>>88388678
>Don't forget to add sex scenes between Lee and Venom. With candles and romantic music.
Hell yeah.
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>>88377483
breddy gud
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>>88377673
>Didn't Kang scoop her out of her reality to join his team in Uncanny Avengers?
Yep, but that had nothing to do with Spider-Verse.
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>>88388932
She hasn't been seen since then, right?
Wasn't there an Annihilus Nova on the opposite team too?
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>>88379841
Why the fuck can Marvel not do a clone saga where the clones just move in together to save on rent and have sibling adventures without tragic sacrifices or vying for the same life?
Is that so much to ask?
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>>88380160
yes.
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>>88382379
Thrill as Lee spritzes the symbiote with water to make it get off the counter!
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>>88383396
They're trying to do a reverse of this curretnly, where the user corrupts the symbiote. Which I hate because it's just gonna revert the changes the symbiote's gained over the years.
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>>88382379
Remember when Venom went full on Ridley Scott Alien and was just straight murdering people across manhattan without a host for brain juice?
I member.
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>>88387167
This is why I loved Sinister Spider-man, it played up the funny aspects of having prick Spiderman and JJ. It also played up the history of Gargan too and was a fun little romp.
>>88379995
Because they must destroy that which is good. I'd love it if this whole thing is somehow a way to get Eddie back to being Anti-Venom. Mostly I just want Brock to stop being crazy, or at least work towards fixing himself. He was doing that as Anti, but it was his flamboyant charm that got me.
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>>88379841
Mahem would try to play up her 'superiority' and insist that Mania is her sidekick.
Mania would get increasingly pissed off and try to outdo Mayhem.
when Mania starts actually outperforming Mayhem , she'd get scared of being left alone and start passive-aggressively sabotaging Mania's exploits to try and keep her relying on her forever
This bites her in the ass when it gets Mania badly injured and deprived of her symbiote
Mayhem convinces Andi to temporarily bond so they can work together and get her symbiote back, but at a critical moment Andi finds out it's all Mayhem's fault.
Her hellmark gets activated by her anger and she starts tearing Mayhem to pieces, who is begging for mercy and forgiveness.
a surprise ninja attack breaks up the fight, then the big boss shows up and kicks their asses. Mayhem risks her life to break through the containment holding Mania's symbiote, who manages to kill the big boss.
Cut back to Andi's apartment. Mayhem wakes up as a puddle of goo in the bathtub, being fed chocolates by Mania, who insists it's just something the Venom Symbiote told Flash was a potent cure-all for symbiotes. She's still mad, but recognizes how far Mayhem was willing to go to make things right, so is willing to give their partnership another go,
Marvel pays me four thousands dollars and renews the book for another six issues
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>>88389827
Much better idea
Mayhem pulls a Hybrid and just gattais with Mania.
Bitches can't handle the Maynia.
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>>88378854
give her some moves to summon demons, similar to Tronne Bonne's servbots and Strider's roboanimals
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I miss Venom Spaceknight. I like it when characters develop over time, and Venom going from a sinister villain to an Agent of the Cosmos was kind of neat.
But then Marvel said "Fuck character development, evil Venom tests better, so let's undo all of Venom's development and make him evil again. And while we're at it, let's ditch Flash Thompson, and stick the symbiote on some new guy."
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>>88389904
All this and they wanna give the suit back to Eddie, and reverse his character development. Or they wanna give it back to Gargan. I'm not thrilled about any of the Venom suit prospects honestly.
Or maybe this is all a setup so that Miles gets the suit and they're the best combo ever and Miles heals all the wounds Lee's inflicted because we can't have enough Miles wank.
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>>88389868
that's the climax of the third story arc
second story arc is a bombdiggety road trip through hell
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>>88389963
>second story arc is a bombdiggety road trip through hell
Will Robbie Reyes be driving them in his car?
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>>88390144
This is probably a question I don't want the answer to, but did Johnny Blaze die or something?
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>>88390175
nah. he's perfectly fine.
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>>88390175
No, Blaze is still around. Robbie is just another Ghost Rider.
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>>88390144
naturally
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>>88390175
There's more than one ghost rider, but technically Robbie isn't one. It's weird.
Even when Blaze isn't a ghost rider though, he handles super natural shit on the reg. Same thing with Kethc.
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>>88363949
>I thought Spiderfags loved him because of Ultimate Spider-Man
Ultimate Spider-Man was good in spite of Bendis, not because of him. He just had to take stories that were already made decades prior and redo them without fucking them up too much.
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>>88381047
A preview is already out? I missed it
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>>88367757
>biggest Venom story in ten years
Pete becomes the Superior Venom, leaving Miles as the one and true Spider-Man.
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>>88363949
USM showcased Bendis's completed inability to see a story through without getting bored and cutting it short. Damn near every arc suffered from that. Then that problem became personified in Miles Morales, who'se explicit super power is that he instantly wins the second Bendis gets bored with the scenario.
but as for what he's done lately, he's balls deep in a feud with Slott Machine. Bendis wants to kill of 616 peter so Miles can be top Spider, like in Ultimate. Slott refuses to budge until he holds he record for being the longest tenure on spidey of any writer ever. both fancy themselves as THE Spider-Man writer and sole voice of importance as to what should be done with the brand.
to get down to the brass of it, Bendis was pushing for Peter Parker to be one of the two heroes killed at the start of CWII, either the one who died against Thanos or the one who gets killed over a pre-crime
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>>88390383
How old is Bendis? Any chance he'll die of coronary heart failure? I know it's fucked up to say, but I mean, it's like he doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.
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>>88367972
>Venom spits out the original Carnage symbiote it ate before Cletus got that alt universe one from the negative zone
>due to the Klyntar cleansing Venom and thus Carnage went through, this means the return of Carnage Man
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>>88368818
>they made klyntaars a peaceful race for no reason.
I thought the reason was due to newer readers only ever knowing about Venom as, more or less, a hero with Flash as the host. They figured they'd just make all of them heroes.
>>
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>>88390383
Marvel isn't allowed to kill off 616 Peter until they explain how Ultimate Peter came back from the fucking dead.
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>>88390686
Marvel is never going to kill off 616 Peter period. The people here who actually think Marvel would allow Bendis to get away with that are fucking delusional.
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>>88390790
Well I mean they obviously wouldn't do it permanently. But there would be literally no tension as long as the Ultimate bullshit is unexplained
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>>88375224
Considering her clone symbiote's host before Venom ate it looked pretty much the same as Venom save for a different shading color for the viewer's sake. They don't have to make her look like a supermodel with Venom's head pasted on top.
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>>88390828
IT's simple really everytime Miles one shots a villian with his venom touch a Peter comes back from the grave. What Miles is, is a kid who somehow got bonded to the failed prototype of whatever apparatus Stan uses to keep himself alive.
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>>88382268
Shit, ben being toxin is a great idea
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>>88377406
>They would LOVE to do a fem symbiote.
Only if it was a hero though.
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>>88377710
>hooker
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>>88378253
Don't worry, you'll get Gwenom soon.
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>>88391104
Sorry a junkie
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>>88385760
I thought they only had them on the back of their hands?
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>yfw the person the symbiote jumps ship to isWade, leaving the only pool in the universe Gwen.
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>>88390686
Turns out that Ultimate Peter was really just 616 Peter that traveled back in time to the Ultimate universe and then died with it.
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>>88391150
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>>88390686
cheating death is a spider power. while a bit crapshoot, that's the whole reason jessica drew's dad used spider serum as the base for the cure for her radiation poisoning
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>>88391249
>cheating death is a spider power
>meanwhile in the Spider-verse
Although maybe Ben revived all those fuckers too.
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>>88391313
As another anon said, they're being revived every time Miles OneBlastMans someone.
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>>88391333
Did Miles ever use his venom blast against the Inheritors in Spider-Verse?
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>>88389806
>I member.
I'll tell you who doesn't remember:
>Mike Costa
>Nick Lowe
>Devin Lewis
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>>88390686
>until they explain how Ultimate Peter came back from the fucking dead
They already did. It was just Bendis shitting the bed again, though, and saying, "Guise, its just the Oz formula in his blood. He unkillable now!"
Until he gets killed a second time from an Incursion like 6 issues later. Because as >>88390383 said, Bendis can't stick with an actual plot line for more than 3 or 4 issues without getting bored.
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>>88390854
>Considering her clone symbiote's host before Venom ate it looked pretty much the same as Venom save for a different shading color for the viewer's sake.
Oh god, don't remind me of how shit the Tsunami-line Venom series was and how shit Patricia Robertson was as a host.
But even the clone Venom had taste and decided to make her look hot for like 4 panels in one issue (pic related), despite Patricia being otherwise hideous and utterly worthless at literally every other point in the story.
The only good panels in the entire run and proof that symbiotes have good taste.
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>>88391911
I was just saying that you can have a female host and still have the iconic look. The thing is a shapeshifter after all.
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>>88391729
No, that would make the whole event end in a single panel. Slott can't have that. He needed to show how much he hated Peter. You know, by having unbeatable (until they randomly weren't) villains just murdering Peter universe-by-universe.
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I miss Ann. The symbiote was so good to her, healing her gunshot wounds and watching out for her safety when crazies came after her.
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Who is this gonna be?
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>>88392029
>I miss Ann
Then you must not be the ground.
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>>88392029
Indeed. Hell, I wished they didn't also made Eddie kill off the other symbiotes and their hosts.
>>88392072
STILL TOO SOON!
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>>88392070
It loks like Lee's hair on Toxin symbiote or another symbiote entirely.
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>>88392154
>I wished they didn't also made Eddie kill off the other symbiotes and their hosts.
Eddie killed the hosts, sure, but the symbiotes lived. Hybrids on a dog and Scream's MIA
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>>88375419
90s>Spectacular>Unlimited>shit>more shit> even more shit> Ultimate
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>>88392198
But even the hosts dying is a shame.
Donna's psycho escapades were fun.
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>>88392070
Omg, the simbionte is going SUPER SAYAJIN!????
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Venom: trapped in abusive relationship
Carnage: joined a cult
Toxin: hanging with Eddie
Mania: should be still in Philly
Scream: MIA
Scorn: ???
Hybrid conglomerate: hanging with doggo
Really colorful family.
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>>88389904
>I miss Venom Spaceknight. I like it when characters develop over time, and Venom going from a sinister villain to an Agent of the Cosmos was kind of neat.
>But then Marvel said "Fuck character development, evil Venom tests better, so let's undo all of Venom's development and make him evil again. And while we're at it, let's ditch Flash Thompson, and stick the symbiote on some new guy."
Some problems with your idea, here.
First of all....Venom stopped being a sinister villain already way back in the 90s, Eddie Brock was both the original "sinister" Venom and original "heroic" Venom
He clashed with Peter again at some point but the whole "turn Venom back into just an evil guy" thing happened wehn they made Mack Gargan Venom, just to use him as a stock villain, but Venom had been a good guy long before Space Knight or Flash, and before any mantle changes even happened...and also was reverted back to a bad guy with a mantle change once already as well
Also the only real development during Agent Venom was for Flash Thompson, which if you're a fan of the character find good for you, but the development given to the symbiote (the Klyntar story) was really fucking shitty and IMO ruined everything about the symbiotes by trying to copy Green Lantern or some shit, which was never the point of the symbiotes
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>>88392524
This
I liked the Agent Venom storyline because I was waiting for Flash to eventually open up to the symbiote, and then Bendis comes and fucking "purifies" it, and gives it a crappy redesign for good measure.
Seriously, fuck off Bendis. The only somewhat possitive result of that whole shitshow is that Venom doesn't sperg out over Spidey anymore, but it's not like that hadn't been done before either.
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>>88392524
There was actually quite a bit of development for the symbiote in the first large collection of Agent Venom.
First it stopped being so hostile to Eddie, second it started to calm down around Spidey and give Flash the reigns more.
In the second book, It also tried to save Flash from the Redhulk during the circle of four and later bonded with him at the request of Flash.
At the begining of Space Knight, it did have some development, it even started talking to Flash, but I didn't catch most of this as the space knight vibes honestly didn't do a damn thing for me.
I'll be honest, the planet of evil venoms and the planet of good venoms ala green lanturns rings was stupiud as fuck. If I'dve done anything for it, I'd have the pplanets barren with only some knowledge from venom being "some were good,l some were bad" Comics should stop trying to explain every little thing, it's not healthy, especially when a shitty writer does it, or the editors try to force it ona a writer.
That's what ruined Logan.
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>>88389806
Symbiote got mind wiped by Bendis.
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>>88377406
>Best female lead that had the symbiote was earth x May.
She's coming to the Spider-Man Unlimited game, along with Spider-Venom (MC2) and Brock-Toxin.
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>>88392029
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>>88392625
>Toxin got into a vidyagaem
Noice
>Mobile
Welp
Nice design though, I like how they made the tentacles look like rising flames, as if he was burning up, instead of the spaghetti. Shame he's fully red these days with no black limbs.
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>>88392524
>Venom stopped being a sinister villain already way back in the 90s
The symbiote only really cared about being with someone who actually wanted it. Otherwise, it was already going around trying to do good.
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>>88392618
Did it also get massively powered down into a little bitch?
Cause it should be able to leave if not tank a chair and eat his brain. Fuck sake it can still tank gunfire.
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>>88392677
>That top left and bottom left
UHF
I mean, there IS a playable toxin Venom in marvel heroes 2015, but you gotta buy the costume. It's a fun free to play diablo clone though for pc. Worth a shot if you're interested.
>>88392683
>>88392693
keep going.
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>>88392693
>there has never been a time when the symbiote was the focus and we saw how it thought
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>>88392739
And that's the end of the scene.
But for anyone who hasn't read Separation Anxiety, there are tons of stuff showcasing the symbiote's thoughts in there.
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>>88392730
>>88392739
>those bullets
>that gun
I'm dying
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>>88392730
>proof that the Venom symbiote doesn't consider ITSELF to be "Venom" and that shit writers don't understand this
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>>88392759
Got anymore man?
Seperation anxiety trade ain't out yet.
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>>88392818
I uploaded the whole thing here a while back: http://imgur.com/a/pZ1nr
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>>88392834
For continuity purposes, this works best if you read Venom: Lethal Protector and then the Exile Returns story from the 90's Clone Saga before Seperation Anxiety.
Lethal Protector introduces the Life Foundation symbiotes (the 5 non-Venom symbiotes in Seperation Anxiety) and Exile Returns shows Scream's first attempt at trying to work with Venom.
Hint: it doesn't go so well (pic related is from Exile Returns).
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>>88392869
I can story time some of it later tonight maybe.
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>>88392869
>>88392883
>I just wanted to spend time with you dad!
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>>88392937
Literally the only shittier fathers in the Marvel Universe than Venom are Kang and Wolverine.
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>>88392070
Maybe the weaken state of Venom is because it's spawning another offspring? It's edge lord of fuck, though.
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>>88392984
I was under the impression that Venom is barren now. Forced into an early menopause when they extracted all its eggs to get the little symbiotes that would become Hybrid.
From that I take a symbiote an have 6 kids in its lifetime guess. Carnage already used two (maybe three if Raze is an actual symbiote)
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>>88392869
Here is the whole Scarlet Spider/Venom fight that this excerpt is from (from Exile Returns). It shows how Brock and the symbiote get seperated before Separation Anxiety.
>http://imgur.com/a/wTqsW
Scream is in a fair amount of the story before this, too.
After Seperation Anxiety, you can see more of Scream in Venom: The Hunted: http://imgur.com/a/2DWqy (also shows the awesome Xenophage, an alien that eats symbiotes).
After The Hunted, she shows up again in Venom: Tooth & Claw: http://imgur.com/a/Hm0ET
Tooth & Claw is the last time we see Scream, till Eddie guts Donna in the Agent Venom stuff.
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>>88392883
Go for it. II wish I still had my lethal protector number 1 with the red foil cover or the punsiher and venom with the orange foil cover. God damn, if there's one thing I miss hard about the 90s is was flashy gimmick covers.
>>88392984
I think that might be the case, but I cringe at the thought of Shadow the edge hog getting his own spinoff.
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I miss Lash, the cool green symbiote who was bonded with that mercenary. He died early though, what a fine mook he could've been.
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>>88393047
>II wish I still had my lethal protector number 1 with the red foil cover
I still have that. As well as the gold foil ASM #375 cover that takes place immediately before. The 90s had some of the gaudiest covers ever. Haha.
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>>88393075
The only thing better was the xmen books with the 3-d hologram cards on the front. I remember buying all of them just for the cards. The books were shit though.
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>>88393071
>I miss Lash
Lasher was cool looking. I think its funny that they got its hosts completely mixed up in Separation Anxiety.
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>>88393071
He's a cute doge now.
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>>88392198
Still pity the hosts.
>>88392330
Yep. On the other hand it looked like she was getting better little by little.
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>>88393019
>also shows the awesome Xenophage, an alien that eats symbiotes
I wish they had brought these back at some point.
>>88393071
He and Scream had the best designs.
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>>88393093
>The only thing better was the xmen books with the 3-d hologram cards on the front.
Sensational Spider-Man #0 (where Ben Reilly officially takes over as Spider-Man full time and gets his own Spidey suit) had this, too.
Badass cover. Cheesy, yeah. But still badass.
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>>88393134
>I wish they had brought these back at some point.
I feel the same. A Xenophage will be making an appearance in the fic I'm working on down the road.
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>>88393016
You forgot
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Jubulile_van_Scotter_(Earth-616)
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>>88393154
Came from Carnage, not Venom.
Also, its unclear yet if that's an actual symbiote or just one of Carnage's Darkhold minions.
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>>88393169
>Came from Carnage, not Venom.
Whoops. Ignore. this bit. I'm a dummy and missed the post that >>88393154 was replying to.
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>>88393154
That's Raze m8, and as I said it's not confirmed if she's an actual spawn.
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>>88393194
>That's Raze m8
Nope. Raze is Claire Dixon, not Jubuline.
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>>88393210
Shit just saw a brown girl and assumed she was the captain.
In my defense the kid is really forgettable, I don't even see the point of the shared flashbacks. I guess she's gonna be the key to beat Eldritch Carnage or something.
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>>88381047
There is a new woman Ghost Rider, too, that was just announced.
Lets hope there is a female symbiote lead in the not too distant future.
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>>88393394
I don't care as long as it's not Alejandra, she was fucking awful. Gotta wonder where Reyes went though, he was great till they revealed his uncle was inside him so he could ghost ride his car. Like, what the fuck man.
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>>88393474
Hope you enjoy Gwen Rider.
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>>88393566
Woah, Miles is getting another girlfriend?
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$50Should I?
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>>88393620
Are you surprised? Miles is Marvel's (well, Bendis) special snow flake. Everyone has to slib on that knob and tell him how amazing he is at all times.
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>>88393632
>Should I?
Fuck yes.
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>>88393632
Odd number says yes
Even number says no
Dubs says you will have to buy a Lee Venom when it comes out.
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>>88393632
Where can I buy this? Never bought any figures or whatever before.
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>>88393714
Right here.
http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?scode=FIGURE-026651
They're also making an Eddie Venom, but that isn't up for pre-order yet.
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>>88393662
>Dubs says you will have to buy a Lee Venom when it comes out.
That's the worst thing ever.
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>>88393632
I love the detail but that pose is jank. Was looking at the marvel select symbitoes. Shame I missed Agent Venom and he's now 50-100 bucks. Same with Anti-Venom, Venom, and Carnage.
I really should get to scculpting that Agent Venom figure. The ml is kinda meh.
>>88393714
bbts, sideshow collectibles, ebay, loads of places. Most places that sell figures online will sell statues. ask /toy/ but ask about where to buy statues WITH the toys, there's a small concentration of rule autists there that'll cry if you mention statues without toys because the japanse ones are banned there due to the hot glue threads.
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>>88393763
>bbts, sideshow collectibles, ebay
>bbts
It's a weeb statue, so he would probably be better off using amiami, hobbysearch or hlj.
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>>88369751
>With his FEET!
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>>88393019
>Venom: Tooth & Claw
Heh, I had these comics as a kid and haven't read it since, thanks for posting anon. 90's cheese for sure, but I grew up in the fucking 90s so sew me I like it.
Not to mention I've always wanted to see another Logan and Eddie team up.
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>>88392070
The symbiote from the new Carnage's run?
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>>88394045
>new Carnage's run
Are you referring to something other than the current Conway Carnage book?
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>>88394107
No i'm talking about Conway's book
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>>88394140
>I'm not talking about Conway's book
>Rather, I'm talking about Conway's book
Wat.
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>>88394168
I meant to say im not talking about something other than the current Conway's book
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>>88394192
Stegman doesn't do anything on that book. Unless he's doing a variant cover or a guest spot, I imagine this has something to do with the Renew Your Vows book, since Stegman is currently penciling that.
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