Tynion Promises Changes To the Team, and More Tin Drake

>(cont)
>I can sort of imagine the kind of conversation that Tim Drake would have with each of these characters, in the way that he had the kind of build-it-up moment with Kate Kane in the first arc. She had lost all hope; her father had just betrayed her and the whole team; and Batman had been captured and all that. And Tim was able to say the exact right thing to get the team rallied together.
>So I wanted to create a moment where everything is destabilized, and then I wanted to destabilize it further and see what happens.
>Honestly, I'm really proud of this storyline. It's a dark one. But I think it needed to be.

>Nrama: Before we move on to the next question, I just want to clarify something, because I saw a few questions online about this. At the end of the last issue, when Tim Drake shows up and starts talking to Steph, that's the Mud Room, right? Not really Tim?

>Tynion: Yeah. You can see that she's walking into a room, and you can see the puddles of mud all around. It's definitely meant to be a kind of like, "What the heck's going on?" kind of moment. But there's no dramatic reveal in the next issue that she's now talking to the real Tim.
>It's bringing us back to that moment. She's looking for Tim to give her a reason why they're doing it, why what they do as a team — fighting Batman's war — is good.
>And she's going to find a kind of answer in there, in the next issue.
>My favorite issue of the entire arc is the next issue, Detective #946 next week. I'm very excited about it.

>Nrama: OK, you just opened that door. Why is it your favorite issue?

>Tynion: It's the turning point. This arc is very much a Stephanie Brown arc. And this issue is Stephane Brown's "turn." This is the moment that she's going to come to some important realizations. What she thinks is right and what she thinks is wrong is going to coalesce and guide her story forward.

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>And it's starting to set up the pieces toward the Stephanie Brown stories that I've been excited to tell since I first conceived of the entire Detective team.
>I don't want to spoil it, but there's some really, really good stuff coming up.
>One of the important things for me was to make sure every character in this story has a real place in Gotham City and what they do, and how they interact with the others. And Stephanie's role in Gotham was often based on her relationships with other people. And I leaned into that in the first arc, building her up as Tim's girlfriend. But it was all in service of leading her to this moment, where I think we're going to see her step into the spotlight as Spoiler.
>I'm very excited about that.

>Nrama: We know that a new Batwoman comic is launching out of your book, and we've seen Azrael mentioned in upcoming solicitations. We've seen some other Bat-characters showing up on the fringe of Detective. Is this a fluid team? Is it changing?

>Tynion: This is definitely a fluid team. I wanted to play with a lot of characters. We've seen Jean Paul Valley around the edges of this arc, and he was in the first few pages of my first issue of Detective. And you can see that the cover that's been released of Detective #950 in February has Azrael as part of the team on the cover.
>So yes, the team is going to shift as we move forward.
>But one of the goals of the book is grounding each of these characters so that, frankly, they could all solo books. We're doing this Batwoman series, and what Marguerite and I have been building for Batwoman is something I'm really excited about.
>The idea is that any of these characters have so many stories you could tell about them. And I'll keep telling their stories in Detective if they don't get their own books. But I want a robust version of Spoiler in Gotham that could have her own series. I want a robust version of Azrael that could have his own series. Batwing. Even Clayface.

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>I want these characters to have their own roles and their own stories that demand to be told. Thankfully, Detective comes out twice a month, so I can get through a lot of those stories. But there are always more stories.
>If there were a dozen of me, I would write a separate ongoing series for each type character in the title.
>But yeah, that's sort of the goal. Bringing in more characters and shaking up the core cast — it's something I wanted to do from the beginning. Arc to arc, I want to make sure there are exciting changes. And that's going to stay true as we move forward.

>Nrama: There are two issues left of "The Victim Syndicate," right?

>Tynion: Yes, #946, which is out next Wednesday, and then #947 at the end of the month.
>That will conclude "The Victim Syndicate." So we're building up to the climax. The climax begins in #946.

>Nrama: And then the Batwoman arc?

>Tynion: Yes, we have the two issues that I'm co-writing with Marguerite Bennett. We're calling the arc "Batwoman Begins." That will run in January and sets the stage for her ongoing series, but also sort of brings back in some threats that have been left dangling since the "Rise of the Batmen" story arc with The Colony, and also the "Night of the Monster Men" story. Both threats guide us toward where the story goes next.

>Nrama: That takes us into the "League of Shadows" storyline?

>Tynion: Yes, "League of Shadows" — you can see on the cover that Cassandra Cain is kind of front and center as Orphan.
>"League of Shadows" is very much a Cassandra Cain story.
>It's something I've been extremely excited about. We got hints about what the League of Shadows is in our first arc, "Rise of the Batmen." And you can sort of imagine these first three arcs as a trilogy — and that is how I started thinking about it. OK, if I had one year on the book, what would it look like? And it was three arcs.
>First, I wanted to do something big and expansive, with "Rise of the Batmen," that sort of set the stage for the team and introduced this militarized version of the Batman concept in The Colony. They've been fighting this secret war that we are unaware of, that all the characters in Gotham were unaware of.
>Then in the second one, I wanted to go darker and more personal, with a more grounded, character-driven story, with "The Victim Syndicate."
>And then I wanted to go back and do something even bigger than the first arc. And that's what you'll find in the "League of Shadows," which is probably the biggest arc we've done.
>So this is big, crazy, exciting stuff. There are going to be characters coming back that have ties to — there are familiar characters that will be playing key roles in this arc that I'm very excited about bringing back in. I've been bringing in a few different heroes, but there are a few villains that I've been wanting to get around to, and they are coming up in this story.
>It's also really exciting to create something new in the League of Shadows, which is a phrase that people are familiar with from the Nolan Batman films as kind of an alternate term for the League of Assassins. But the name, the League of Shadows, is just such a powerful name that it's something I've been talking about going back to.

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>What is the real League of Shadows? If the League of Assassins is the more obvious branch of Ra's Al Ghul's operations, is there a shadow branch? Is there something darker underneath?
>We're going to see the League of Shadows' ties to Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Assassins, but it has definitely become its own entity. And how it operates is really, really, deeply terrifying.
>It's all rooted in secrets, so I can't talk about too much, because I think you're going to see it all play out. But the philosophy behind them is really deeply terrifying. Their leader, I think, is one of the best adversaries in the Batman mythos, and I am extremely excited to bring them back into the fold.

>Nrama: What's the status of artist Eddy Barrow going forward? Are he and Alvaro Martinez still on the book regularly? There are a few different artists on the next few issues.

>Tynion: Oh, they're definitely going to be back. In "The Victim Syndicate," you can see that we've had some different artists, and that is entirely a symptom of the twice-weekly schedule.
>What we've done for "The League of Shadows" is to bring in a couple of artists for that storyline, so that in the future, Alvaro and Eddy can do complete storylines, more like how they're doing it in Batman right now, where David Finch did a complete storyline, and then Mikel Janín did a full story arc. That was always the goal.
>Both Alvaro and Eddy are doing absolutely phenomenal work, and I could not be more honored to be working with them on this, and they will be back in the pages of Detective Comics. This is a deliberate choice to get the reader more bang for their buck in terms of consistency arc to arc. But I'm extraordinarily lucky that I get to work with so many amazing artists.

>Nrama: It was surprising to see Mr. Oz suddenly invade Detective Comics. Is that the way "Rebirth" will influence Detective in the future? Just these sort of inserts into the storyline? Or are you going to tackle some of this stuff head-on?

>Tynion: One of the big goals right now at DC as a whole is to sort of show that this is part — that DC Comics as a whole is telling one bigger story. And it's a story that is composed of all the different titles, and different pieces will be moving forward here and there. And they are all part of one tapestry.
>And you'll see Detective playing toward some of those goals, but also toward other storylines that I can't even hint at more than saying that.
>And Tim is clearly tied into some of those bigger stories.
>I will say that I have definitely written more Tim Drake. And you guys will have to find out whether that's in flashback or in the present day.
>Tim's one of my favorite characters, and it's been extremely gratifying getting a chance to remind everyone what is great about that character, and why I loved him from the time I started reading comics as a kid in the '90s.
>Being able to make him central to the Gotham mythos of the modern day is something I'm extraordinarily proud of, and it's definitely something that is building toward big, crazy, amazing stories in which Tim will be up-front and center. So stay tuned.

http://www.newsarama.com/32328-detective-comics-writer-promises-changes-to-team-in-2017-and-more-tim-drake.html

>>88350928
>the simple act of Batman being Batman just causes damage that wouldn't happen otherwise in Gotham.

When will this meme end?

>>88351133
>One of the big goals right now at DC as a whole is to sort of show that this is part — that DC Comics as a whole is telling one bigger story. And it's a story that is composed of all the different titles, and different pieces will be moving forward here and there. And they are all part of one tapestry.

Am I the only one that really hate this approach? Just let the different comics trek their own stories. Don't dick around the bush with some pseudo crossover for 2 years

>>88350928
>>It's not just that Batman creates his villains, it's that Batman's battles with his villains create victims all over the city, that the simple act of Batman being Batman just causes damage that wouldn't happen otherwise in Gotham.

He should let Gotham burn to be honest.

Man, each week I have to wrestle with myself to keep this title on my pull list or just cut it off altogether. The focus on Kate has been a real downer for the comic, and it's not stopping yet with a hole new arc dedicated to her, I think after Victim Syndicate is over I'll drop the title off my pull list and wait for the Cass arc, I don't want to pay money for Batwoman. The second this team no longer has Clayface though this book will be dead to me though.

>>88350928
> More of tynion's self insert, steph still a bitch and cass is a harper accesory

I'll pass

>>88351041
>"Batwoman Begins."

even her titles have to steal stuff from Batman

>>88352026

Well, when being a lesbian is literally a character's defining trait then they need all the help they can get.

>>88352026
Do you not remember the period of time for like 20 years where literally every character in the Batman universe got a "___: Year One"?

>>88351972

Ditto. The moment Clayface and Cass leave. I'm done from this comic. They are the constant saving graces this comic has.

>>88352309
It wasn't just Bat characters

Black Lightning, JLA, and Teen Titans got one

>>88351972
I dropped it when Tim left, not because I'm a huge Timfag (though I enjoy him when he's not being assassinated by writing) but because the Batwoman quotient got too high.

> Batwoman will still have a huge role in Detective after her ongoing.

WHY? I get Batman but with her getting an ongoing she should have a diminished role right? RIGHT?!

> Renee Montoya is nothing but a love interest for her.

The true crime.

>>88353160
>but with her getting an ongoing she should have a diminished role right? RIGHT?!
You'd think so. She's never been that important or popular a character to require 2 ongoings.

>>88353269
She's gay and a woman, if they don't make her important people will have mean things to say about DC

I want clayface to meet his daughter now that he is a good guy

>>88353328
>She's gay and a woman, if they don't make her important people will have mean things to say about DC

or because she is a interesting character, sh ereally is. but let's appeal to lowest common denominator

DC should just do a soft, very small, reboot that removes the current "Tim Drake," Bar Torr, and Kon from existence and introduces their original Young Justice versions. I'm certain that'd make most people happy.

>>88353328
Let it go, you are going to trigger the batwoman defence force that claims she is the most interesting and original character of the last decade while bragging about Elegy

>>88353510
What exactly is so intresting about her? Because she's been a huge drag in Tec, easily the most unappealing character in the whole series. Do people just like her because she has red hair?

>>88353566
and put them where? There are already 2 Titans books. Flash is double shipping, and given it's sales numbers will likely get a Wally solo soon. Superson's starts next month. I don't see a Young Justice book working right now.

>>88353662
Oh, I don't mean make a Young Justice book. Just introduce the original Tim, Bart, and Kon and down the line, when it's possible, put them together in a Young Justice book. Before then, allow the characters to develop and grow on their own (with the occasional cameo of their friends).

>>88352002
>> More of tynion's self insert, steph still a bitch and cass is a harper accesory
>I'll pass

steph isn't a bitch, more like you are a cuck

>>88353752
she is a coward and a whiner

>muh Batman should unmask himself because the victim syndicate says so!

And Tinyon is a retard for this entire arc to begin with

>>88353752

Fuck off waifufag, Stephanie sucks. She drags down the Bat-family more than any other character I can recall.

>>88353883
That's not how you spell Damian.

>>88353566
It would be extremely easy to do with fake Tim currently in a continuity holding cell.

>>88353593
>Kate
>Jason

Are there any other characters that had a great story to introduce them, but then writers just had no idea what to do afterwards?

>>88353883
>>88353825
her life has been never ending shit since eternal

>>88355238

No, it's her who's made OUR lives shit by being shoved in both Eternal events, Catwoman, and now has her own arc in 'Tec in which she continues to talk down to everyone and show them the unstoppable power that is a random teenage girl.

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>>88355238
she is a quitter and a whiner
but no one can tell her off because she is Fan Favorite Steph so we have to endure her praise Harper for really helping people by working at a clinic instead of wasting time fighting supervillains because apparently, according to Tinyon, are all created by Batman and everything is his fault

>>88355534
When building Haper's costume did they just say "I'm in love with KDS Captain Marvel, let's make her look like a try hard Carol."?

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>>88356165
it's not that bad

>>88356329
I do not agree, that costume looks like the 90s vomited all over a confused lesbi

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>>88356329
>could have had Cullen baking cookies with Midnighter
>get this

>>88356381
If I remember right she made it on her own, it being very amateurish is part of the charm

>>88356599
It doesn't look like a rookie made the suit, it looks like whoever designed her character just Google 90s comic costumes and drew it from that. It's not a very appealing costume on a less appealing character.

>>88356395
>could have had Cullen baking cookies with Midnighter
I still want Cullen as Alfred's apprentice, but Midnighter as Scary Gay uncle is a close second.

>>88356684
I can't really argue because I don't remember much about her heroing

>>88350928
>He's a futurist.
I love how words like that are used to describe Tim or Tony as another way of saying "forward thinking". Futurism was a largely fascist movement since it was mainly Italian-based and most futurists saw fascism as the most efficient and reasonable way to realize their modernized, industrialized dreams.

Shame that, going by 950's cover, Steph is gone. Batwoman and Batwing fucking suck so I'd have rather lost them instead. At least we still have Clayface though, hopefully he's next in line for an arc after the League of Shadows stuff because I love him here but he feels very underutilized and just constantly on the fringes of the book. The fact we're following this story up with another fucking Batwoman story (after the first largely Batwoman story) is really lame.

>>88355430
harper was the one shoved in both events

steph lost her dad, mom, and now her boyfriend

>>88358077

...and that makes her less annoying, how? She's always been condescending, blame-deflecting, and self-pitying teenager who honestly has no business fighting crime alongside people like Batman. She cheapens everyone else's involvement. Always has.

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>>88358316
Steph was best when she was super eager and just wanted to be part of shit despite being in over her head

ie when she was in Cass' book and in her Batgirl solo

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Cassandra Cain screwed again?

>>88359929
>Batman even puts his logo on disposable cups

It's time to stop

>>88359929

>she's at her best when she's an annoyance to everyone and directly inhibits their crime-fighting outings for her own selfish gain

Not to mention Batman letting such an undisciplined, untrained, sheltered and unambitious teenage girl not only fight crime but talk down to him on a regular basis is quite OoC of him.

>>88360539
Bruce basically just put up with her because she was either banging his surrogate son or BFFs with his surrogate daughter. The fact that she would fuck up I felt made her endearing since she was trying her best, and created a good dynamic with the hyper-competency of the rest of the Bat characters.

>>88350928
Man, who fucking cares. They've blundered the whole Batman line with Rebirth. Bennett on Batwoman was the moment I realise it was time to check out of the Batline until the next relaunch/creative team mix-up.

>>88360037
The mistakes on spelling Christmas take this pic from sexy to adorable in 5 seconds.

>>88360641
Sexy and adorable at the same time is such a rare combo, but so amazing when it happens.

>>88360629

There's nothing endearing about her. She's an asshole who leeches off Batman only to spit in his face the second something doesn't go her way.