Vampirella 2017 reboot & redesign

>>88346374
What an unusally cool cover for Dynamite.

No one cares about this bitch

>>88346426
wow rude

>>88346374
This.

It looks like Bayonetta, but they gave you Wonder Woman in a dress.

>>88346374
>that face
Looks like she'a going to be "quirky."

>>88346374
She's hipsterella now. She's unreadable now. At least the cat is kinda cute

>>88346374
>yet another try to HIP IT UP after whatever hispter chicks run from last year came down crash and burning.

absolute LEL.

>>88346530
the cat needs a spin-off

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>>88346374
>let's give Vampirella a bland puritan redesign in a desperate attempt to appeal to an elusive "female audience"
Didn't they do exactly that just about a year ago, and failed miserably? Do they somehow expect a different outcome?

>>88346374
Wow you mean to tell me Kate Leth's feminist re-imaging didn't sell and they had to reboot it again? I'm shocked.

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>read a continuity synopsis
Shit makes Marvel and DC look competent.

>>88346660
yep, see >>88346655

>>88346655
But bland puritan vampires are the best kind.

They're basically the Catholic girls of vampires.

>>88346655
No that was her grrl pwr look.

>>88346374
Right looks like a shitty casual cosplay version of left

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It lacks the dynamism of the cover. Maybe it will look better in action. There's an obvious witch vibe going on.

>>88346824
Yeah, because the cover version has all these batwings/feathers, which makes it look like something Lady Gaga could wear, while on the art promo it's just a potato sack dress.

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>>88346655
it's been there MO since they've gotten the Vampirella license, here what she looked like during the 2010 series. in volume 2 they simply stuffed a trench coat over the one piece swimsuit.

If Dynamite is so ashamed of the character, why do they continue to print these books, who is target audience, they only move about 3000 copies an issue to the people who have always bought Vampirella.

>“I’m hoping especially to find a female audience,” said Cornell. “The character’s often been regarded as a nostalgia item, cheesecake, and we’re building on previous efforts to keep moving away from that to something more interesting.
Welp.

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I'd be lying if I said I was a huge fan of her stories. I do however love the classic art of her.I know the costume Is meant to be titillating, but I always saw a lot of power in this image by José Gonzalez.

>>88346374
>>I’m hoping especially to find a female audience.
You should realize this means "drop the book"
You've had years to figure this out.

>>88346374
>She's a sexy alien vampire after all
not anymore

>my brother is a Vampifag
>my brother is a rightclopsfag
>my brother is a eddiebrockfag
well, shit. Don't know how to break it to the poor basterd.

>>88347165
Don't.
This shit will be canned six issues in.

>>88347165
I've had success with alcohol.

>>88347101
Feminism was a mistake.

>Beginning a new and VERY different direction! Vampirella was last spotted in 2016 doing what she does best-defending the world from threats both mystic and evil. She hasn't been seen since. Now, over a thousand years later, she's poised to make her fateful return, but the world that awaits her is unlike anything she might expect-or want to defend!
hai gaiz its in the future so its different!!! xd

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>>88346655

I don't particularly like that look, but it's infinitely better than the shit OP posted.

>>88347760
>it's infinitely better than the shit OP posted
Explain?

>>88346374
>cutscene
>in-game engine

If they really wanted the female audience, why not just turn her into a hinky dude?

>>88347108

lovely, I got that magazine somewhere in my vault, can't remember where it was published in here but it's from the time my dad and my uncle colected comics.

>>88349260
That would be hilarious

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>>88347101
Eh, the US female audience is apparently so starved that they're buying those Alice in Wonderland titty comics just to get something with women as MCs.

>>88349715
Then they didn't need to get rid of Vampirella's swimsuit, did they?

Where do I start with Vampirella, so I can get outraged at this properly?

>>88350395
Try the classic Warren comics from the 70s, if you can tolerate black-and-white comics.

>>88350440
Vampirella's that old? Huh, I honestly had no idea.

Anything else worth reading?

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>>88350470
She was created in 1969.

Her comic was a part of a line of horror comic magazines published by Warren Publishing that bypassed the Comics Code due to a technicality. That made them safe from (self-)censorship, and allowed them to show more than could be shown in most comics back then.

Vampirella's outfit was designed by Trina Robbins, notable underground comix artist and feminist. The cover for the first issue was drawn by none other than Frank Frazetta.

>>88350440
Grant Morrison, Mark Millar and Amanda Conner had a run with the character in the 90's which was very good.

the 70's books starts off as morbid cheescake as Vampi is more of the Crypt Keeper in early issues and morphs into a solid 70's character driven horror series

the 90's book is the more famous, and where the monster hunter theme which is still the central theme to the current books comes from, it's hit and miss depending of if you like to see early art from superstars like Amanda Conner Mike Mayhew and Ed McGuinness.

>>88350781
also makes back issues incredibly expensive.

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Wait, is this actually from her new comic? I swear I thought OP just put a phoenix dress on her in MS paint for some Jean Grey joke

>>88351159
it's how people dress 1000 years into the future.

>>88347248
already hedging their bets for when this book fails after the $.25 0 issue.

>>88350470
There's the original 70s-80s run, by Warren Publishing.

Then there's the 90s-00s run by Harris Comics. It was a "bad girl art" reimagining of Vampirella. "Bad girl art" means a style of cheesecakey grimdark comics with occult themes and sexy antiheroines that was most popular in the 90s. Vampirella was one of the most notable examples of the "bad girl art" trend, so try it if you're a fan of that stuff.

Then there are several 2010s runs by Dynamite Entertainment. They did have some interesting bits, but they also rebooted the character a lot, and could never choose whether they like cheesecake and or not so they kinda did both at the same time.

>>88350781
>>88351136
>>88351249
Thanks, guys. I've never read much with the character, aside from a short story that Bruce Timm did.

I'll check out some of her stories sometime soon then.

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I still don't get their plan with Red Sonja, Dejah Thoris or Vampi. Their relaunch was kinda of a "fuck your roots" type of deal, ignoring what made them fun in the first place. Why not make "Venus princess" or "Betty Brunnete" or "Vampire chick"?

>>88350395
Download the vampirella archives if you want to check the Warren era. They uploaded 15 recently and that's the whole collection.

Harris comics you're good with the "Masters" collection, it has the better issues. And it's easier to find than most of the Harris comics ones.

Ond dynamite's runs I can only tell you to avoid the Kate Leth run, I don't hate it as much as other anons but man it's wasted potential.

>>88346374
Cornell is a good writer and the first issue is only 25 cents, you'd have to be an idiot not to at least check it out even if you don't like the outfit.

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>>88346374

Vampirella was never anything amazing, Tarot is pretty much the modern Vampirella comic, same combination of cheesecake with insane stupidity in writing. Why people read it? Because it was hilariously stupid and an entertaining read that way.

If they think they can somehow turn Vampirella into some serious "superhero comic for girls", they couldnt have missed the point of the IP more.

>>88351371
I liked the set up Leth did setting the book in LA and the use of the old hollywood mansion reminded me a lot of Lori Lovecraft

>>88351309
Yeah, that Bruce Timm story was pretty cool

>>88351399
I didn't say I won't check it out... and I know Cornell is usually pretty good.

I merely voiced my disappointment about her redesign. It's all there is to discuss at the moment, anyway.

>>88351431
I liked that she referenced her role as the crypt keeper. That she didn't trash the old costume, she didn't really insult anyone. Hell most of my problems come down to how bland everything else is.

>>88351371
Their solicits show that they probably want to try different directions at the same time, and see what sticks.

>"relatable" non-sexual female-pandering Vampirella
>classic metal bikini Red Sonja
>old geezers Carter & Dejah Thoris in the future

>>88351495
>That she didn't trash the old costume
I thought she did?

>>88351479
Fair enough. I've only seen the image on the right and not the cover, so seeing that now has actually gotten me a bit more hopeful for it than I was. I definitely wouldn't mind at all if she looks like the right in casual and relaxed situations and more like the left in more dynamic action scenes. If anything I'd say the most worrying thing is it being in the 31th century for some reason.

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>>88351583
Nah, they joked about keeping it for special ocassions, then vampirella was interviewed and was asked "why the costume?" and she answers "why not?"

I'm not kidding, the last issue is about a fat guy that has fly wings and spits acid and has a crush on vampirella, and they don't make fun of him. They find it kinda cute that he has a crush on her.

It's can't believe this came from the writer of Hellcat

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Her being in the future may not be a bad thing at all. I just hope the setting is interesting like Vampire Hunter D's.

>>88351660
Now you see, I saw these pictures in the opposite order. That's why I got hyped when I first saw the cover, and then disappointed when I saw the interior art promo pic.

>I definitely wouldn't mind at all if she looks like the right in casual and relaxed situations and more like the left in more dynamic action scenes.
I would be okay with it (though wouldn't she have more than one rather bland outfit for casual stuff?)... but now I'm worried that it's an example of "covers always lie" – that the outfit on the cover is just the same outfit that's on the right image just "enhanced" with bat wings for a visual metaphor, and not an actual cool outfit she will wear. Ah, we'll see I guess.

>If anything I'd say the most worrying thing is it being in the 31th century for some reason.
She does have a connection with sci-fi themes, though. As I said, she is a vampire alien, after all.

>>88351823
Interesting, the last Vampirella work I read was the Masters collection by Mark Millar. It was pulpy, but never reached the heights of his Vampi collaboration with Morrison.

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>>88346655
very original

>>88351660
>>88351827
Seeing as Vampi was originally inspired by Barbarella, it could just work.

>>88351958
HORY SHET

I knew it looked familiar

>>88351823
Leth makes me sad because she could be a good writer, but she clearly has some deep-seated issues that prevent her from actually putting anything of consequence into her work. All that's left is bland, uneventful, and has no impact. So many others are able to draw upon their trauma to create great art, but she is either unable or unwilling to do that and would likely be best off by just getting some much needed therapy.

>>88351958
>>88346655

WTF Leth WTF

>>88352021
That would get in the way of riding shallow trends to raise her own profile.

>>88351958
HAHAHAHA holy shit what a bunch of hacks, even the fucking hairstyle!

>>88352071
I'm not sure how much influence she had over the redesign itself. That could have been all Scott's work.

>>88352021
>eth makes me sad because she could be a good writer, but she clearly has some deep-seated issues that prevent her from actually putting anything of consequence into her work. All that's left is bland, uneventful, and has no impact.


Just like the moment she starts working on Vampirella she decides that the best story would be... Vampirella vs social media...

Like really?

I don't think that he can be a good writter, I mean there is writing what you know and there is writing the mundane boring shit that you do in your life.

>hehehe randon tattoo time!
>I need to go where beer is! edgy, right?
>social media and drinking buddies!
>bed bugs, that's compelling right there!

>>88346655
>>88351958
...huh. I couldn't quite place it, but something about that Vampirella design looked really familiar.

>>88352198
Lol is this real?

>>88352198
>This actually triggered Vampi fans at the time due to showing her as a cold blooded killer.

Some things never change.

>>88352198
>this is new York, no one will help her.
I saw a documentary that detailed what really went down that night. It's heart breaking, but people did in fact help.

>>88346655
>>88351958
Not only Kate Leth excels in writing, but I see she's also a very original character designer

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>>88352392
>>88352187
>>88352021

We could have an entire thread about it but it would devolve in the same arguments after a 100 posts.

So why not post some cheesecake or let the thread die?

>>88352392

I know that she didn't drew that because she sucks as an artist, but did she came up with the concept?

>>88353172
Yes, she came up with the redesign.
Iirc, she even said she expects tons of cosplays of her great new design lol

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>>88353818
Ironically girls still keep cosplaying the original instead

>>88354195
>Photography by CarlosAdam
Maybe not the best example, seems that one was paid to wear it for a photoshoot.

>>88346655

>bland puritan redesign

man you can dislike the redesign but you're kinda tipping your bias there

>>88354221
She says she made it, she's a cosplayer.
Idk but I like to give the benefit of the doubt

>>88354251
What bias? I don't like when they "cover up" characters that shouldn't be covered up, just like when they slut up characters that shouldn't be slutted up

>>88351958
>>88346655
lol

I know nothing about Vampirella aside from what she looks like but isn't she more of a sexy, confident character? Picture on the right looks like an awkward teenager posing stiffly for a picture.

>>88358655
She is, yeah. I guess in their search for a female audience, they redesigned her to be relatable for awkward teenagers

>>88346405
Just remembering the Kate Leth launch + redesign for this.

>>88347248
That actually sounds interesting from Cornell though.

>>88359202
But you have to read comics to know that. That isn't allowed now.

>>88358655
Looks more like an awkward twenty-something with body issues

>>88351426
>your vagina is haunted
Best pickup line ever.

>>88351371
Oh lawd, what'd they do to Dejah?

>>88346530
>She's hipsterella now
Literally this, I couldn't even finish it.

>>88363449
Doesn't matter, it was canned when the other two flopped.

>>88353818
>>88354195
>>88354360
Regardless, the funny thing is that the swimsuit is far more simple a cosplay outfit than Leth's newer design.

Hell, the red dress in OP's post is more simple a cosplay design than Leth's outfit. Just because it looks cool, it doesn't mean women are going to cosplay it in droves.

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Could be worse.

>>88363526
It didn't even look that cool. It looked generic as fuck

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>>88363449

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>>88346426
this, basically

>>88346374
>updating/modernizing pulp trash characters
why is this even remotely considered and allowed?

>>88350781
I've seen some people claim that Triana's design had the center part having more cover for her breasts compared to what they actually went with.

>>88352021
Her "trauma" is being handed practically everything and being a typical whiny white woman.

>>88364981
I'm just surprised that these characters still sell well enough to keep getting comics published.

>>88363724
>Brian Wood
just reading that solicit put me to sleep

>>88352021
I want what you are smoking! Leth is possibly the worst writer in mainstream comics of all time.

Phoenix?

>>88364981
It's the mindset of Media Moguls nowadays.

An established character/Franchise is always a safer bet than something new, even if it's an old/obscure/antiquated thing like John Carter/The Green Hornet/ the Lone Ranger/Vampirella.

Now I like those things, because I like old pulpy things, but those aren't going to be big draws no matter what.

Vampirella is basically an excuse to draw a barely dressed woman, which holds very little place in a world with a million and a half hardcore porn sites.

She's still seen as a better bet to draw in a female audience than a new, unestablished female character.

It's also why Marvel has taken to turning Male Characters into women, especially those who have high profile Movies named after them

>>88367460
Anon, no Dynamite book has ever sold on content. It's all been on variant covers alone.

>>88346374

does she have mental retardation now?

>>88367861
No. But Dynamite execs do

>>88349715
The Zenoscope art is pretty good. I liked a few of the issues but when it goes beyond the storytale parallel it gets retarded.

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>>88365039
Yes, it was a bit more modest. Keyword: "a bit". It was still an intentionally sexy and risque outfit.

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>>88346374

This is stupid.

What's the point? People only read Vampirella for the cheesecake, and the fading hope that she'll have sex at some point. It's never going to happen anyway - The racy pin-ups from Harris comics was the most we'd ever get.

Who else is going to read this?

The pinnacle of Vampirella was the Warren comics when she was basically just a narrator and presented the horror short stories. This attempt to give her depth and make her the focus of the story seems ridiculous. Has anything good come from it?

>>88367460
>Vampirella is basically an excuse to draw a barely dressed woman, which holds very little place in a world with a million and a half hardcore porn sites.
That's too reductionist.

Sure, if you're a hormonal teenager, you probably treat any female character who's not dressed like a nun, as an excuse to gawk at titties and butts. But if you're not like that – what's the problem with reading comics with sexy characters? Why do some people assume characters have to be dressed like nuns for a comic to be fit for serious, mature readers?

If the story's good and the characters are cool, a couple well-drawn sexy cheesecake elements are just a nice bonus. If the story's good and the characters are cool, that is. If it's just trash + cheesecake, then yeah, it's trash.

>>88369702
Anon, she got her own stories since issue #8 of the Warren run.

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>>88369702
>>88369817

Hell in her first short story she wasn't even wearing her iconic outfit.

>>88370435
She looks like a shortstack

Will there be more of these 25¢ #0 issues aside from this and Red Sonja?

Haha, I only knew of Vampirella from that "American Manga" comic, Vampi.

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>>88346374
Y'know, it's not as though I've got some sort of problem with characters getting new looks, but when you've got a character with a design as iconic as Vampirella's, I have to ask why? Especially when the new design isn't particularly evocative the original. I mean, if I did not know this was supposed to be Vampirella I wouldn't recognize her.

Like, with Superman, I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm a trunks purist, but even the Jim Lee trash reboot costume was instantly recognizable as Superman.

Maybe if they'd left her logo in a more classic shape it'd work better. But as others have said, the way it is now makes you think of the Phoenix.

>>88375603
It seems they're ashamed of her iconic costume and sex symbol vamp status... while still trying to capitalize on the popularity the character got as a sex symbol vamp wearing her iconic costume

>>88376083
Well, regardless, Cornell had better double down on the horror and bring his A-game.

No one brings their A-game to Dynamite.

>>88370435
in that story she's on Drakulon, it's set before she came to Earth.

also the artists working the 1st issue had to communicate via phone to nail the character's design down. it's why the Frazetta and Roberts versions are so different. the only thing consistant was the hair and gogo boots it's that way for every story in that issue. by #2 everyone adopted the Frazetta design and the rest is history.

>>88370435
>Drakulon
>Literally a planet of Blood

I always thought Vampirella was cheesecake/horror, I didn't realize it was cornball humor.

>>88376294
the first few issues are really corny, #2 is about Vampirella's nearly identical arch enemy cousin a Witch named Evily who Vampi turns into a cat by #8 everything takes a more serious turn.

>>88376294
It was the late 60s - early 70s, the time of Little Annie Fanny and Mad. Cheesake was often mixed with humor back then. Unlike the 90s when all cheesecake had to be completely serious and grimdark.

>>88352145
Nicola Scott is credited with the redesign, and Leth only has a writing credit. and you know if there was ANY chance of credit Leth would have fought Scott for it.

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>>88376632
Nicola would destroy Leth.

>>88376632
>>88376842
Depends... does Nicola Scott have a hot cancer patient husband? Then Leth would be up for a fight

>>88376900
Don't forget, Nicola's Australian too.

>>88376206
Matt Wagner does for The Shadow.

>>88377132
Okay. I'll give you that. But you know that's only because Wagner's got a perpetual erection at the mere thought of doing a Shadow book.

>>88375603
It'd work better if they gave her something cool and memorable to wear, instead of a glorified potato sack.

>>88377200
Yeah. It's really just a dress. Like "In this issue Vampirella eats dinner... AT A RESTAURANT!"

>>88354195
Girls will never get into vampirella. Women on the other hand are aware that a superheroine can be kickass and sexy at the same time

>>88377289
"Get ready for the thrill of your life... Vampirella... blogs about the new episode of her favorite show!!!"

>>88377289
I really don't have a problem with it because it's just a dress. It puts her more towards being an urban fantasy vampire instead of the superhero feel of something that's more of a costume.

>>88377493
The problem is that it looks boring and generic af

>>88377493
If they want her to act in a down-to-earth everyday urban environment, than have her just wear regular clothes, and have her switch them up once in a while, you wouldn't wear the same dress every day after all. But if you want it to be a costume (and they've outright stated it's a costume), then make it something interesting and memorable.

Also, what does a down-to-earth ordinary urban setting have to do with the theme of an alien vampire monster fighter 1000 years in the future?

>>88377747
I never said anything about it being down-to-earth or ordinary. I don't know what they're going to do, but I'm imagining it as having an urban fantasy feeling in a cyberpunk sort of setting. The dress is a costume in the same way a WoD character's copious leather and trenchcoat is a costume.

>>88376842
And Leth would enjoy every minute.

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>>88377905
Those can still look kind of cool and stand out, instead of looking like a random mundane party dress.

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Reminds me of someone doing a lazy cosplay

>>88378462
Man, that's exactly it.

>Hmm... if I cut out a bat-ish symbol from this gold fabric... what did it look like again? Eh, whatever. Good enough. And I stick it on my red dress... Where did I put my evening gloves? And done! Vampirella! I'm ready to go to the con!

>>88378231
wait!
time out!

there's a VTM comic, I see the moonstone logo so I know it's shit, but what's the deal?

>>88378462
Lol this.

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>>88378564
Yeah, this is news to me, and I know just about every comic based off of licensed RPGs!

>>88354195
It's not ironic. It's like Slave Leia, Poison Ivy, Black Cat, Cammy or now Harley. A lot of attention for minimal effort.

>>88378765
>>88378564
google says it's from 2003

>>88352021
>Leth makes me sad because she could be a good writer, but she clearly has some deep-seated issues that prevent her from actually putting anything of consequence into her work.
Leth's deep seated issues are that she's self-absorbed and wants everything she writes to basically be a reflection of her. She cried on twitter a few days ago about how she wasn't allowed to make a character (didn't say who) gay and that the editors/company should just know she's going to shove LGBT shit into comics and deal with it and that she was through with licensed comics because of this.

Remember too that Hellcat is basically her self-inserting (via Patsy) into the MU despite very clearly hating the superhero genre. This leaves a book where Patsy is utterly incompetent as a protagonist and no real actions occurs but there is lots of hanging around and chatting and gushing over She-Hulk and being a fag hag (remember, Kate is "bisexual" even though I highly doubt she does anything with other women).

>>88346660
rea questionl, how kate leth manage to still be relevant? everything i know from her are failures, why everybody keep giving her jobs in the comic industry? is there something i missing?

>>88378960
>She cried on twitter a few days ago about how she wasn't allowed to make a character (didn't say who) gay
Probably Captain America

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But she still had her outfit in Vampirella vs. Xenomorphs.

>>88378999
Companies want more shekels, so they try to get the elusive female reader. But no one has any idea how to attract them. So they do all sorts of shit, including retooling any female character into a "relatable" slice-of-life crap, peppering the dialogue with Tumblr buzzwords, turning characters into "lol so wacky" Mary Sues, or hiring any rando who has a vagina because girls apparently prefer female writers.

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>>88378999
Honestly, I have no idea. Most of what she's done has flopped horribly, and all of her works have exactly the same format where everyone is blandly quirky and talks like a Webcomicker on Twitter.

The only reason I can think of is that she's managed to become buddy buddy with writers at comic studios, Marvel in particular, and they keep giving her work.

>>88378462
>>88346868
lul

>>88379101
This really. The comic book industry is incestuous as hell. Cronyism is the rule of the day. She gets work because she's got connections. The carefully cultivated internet cult of personality she has doesn't hurt either.

>it's a "campy female heroine gets retooled as hipster slice-of-life webcomic" episode

>>88379088
They want the elusive female audience, because they see all these Fujoshits on Tumblr gushing about the Marvel Films, and assume they can get them to buy comics, they can't-at least not in the numbers they want.

They want to avoid their audience becoming a finite, and continually diminishing, number of older men who grew up with comics, because once that dries up, they're done.

Essentially what's happening in Europe. They're trying to completely replace their audience by radically altering their content to appeal to an alien group.

>>88379158
>Cronyism is the rule of the day. She gets work because she's got connections.
Where did she find 5 married cancer patients to fuck?!

>>88347101
>this is a cheesecake character
>her entire appeal is cheesecake
>let's get rid of that cheesecake
>OH NO WHY ISN'T ANYONE BUYING THE BOOK
>the obvious solution is more feminism and continual alienation of the only people buying the book
OH NO WHY IS NO ONE BUYING THE BOOK
>the obvious solution is more feminism and continual alienation of the only people buying the book
>OH NO WHY IS NO ONE BUYING THE BOOK
>the obvious solution...

>>88379222
>and assume they can get them to buy comics, they can't-at least not in the numbers they want.
The thing is, sometimes is does work. Harley Quinn, FemThor and Kamala Khan did get a decent reader base. The problem is, no one really understands how and why.

>Essentially what's happening in Europe. They're trying to completely replace their audience by radically altering their content to appeal to an alien group.
What's happening in Europe?

>>88378960
>>88379088
>>88379206
>slice-of-life
But that's the thing. Slice-of-life comics can be cool, and I get that a lot of people like the genre.

That main question is why do people who want to read slice-of-life want it to happen under a superhero/sci-fi brand?

>>88379248
This doesn't really look like a Feminist interpretation, more like they're trying to find a middle ground with an extreme character.

This new version looks like it's trying to be "sexy but hip." She's still a cute girl, but she's not running around in a sling bikini, but instead a low cut long-top.

Leth's interpretation didn't even harp on the Feminism that badly at all, and it was more like a bland, censored revamp than anything.

If you're looking at a book that harps on Feminism, look at the shitshow that was Mockingbird. Jesus Christ.

>>88379329
Well at least for me, the big reason is it humanizes the character and we get to see how much they love the people around them, showing how important fighting this bad guy is to them.

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>>88379276
>The thing is, sometimes is does work
I have no idea how Whor got a decent readerbase, but Kamala was legitimately good, and probably had a strong male as well as female Fanbase.

Harley is a popular character in General.

>>88379276
>What's happening in Europe

>>88379276
>FemThor
for real?
fem thor worked? i aleays thoug it flooped

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>>88379333
>This new version looks like it's trying to be "sexy but hip."
Sorry, but I don't see the "sexy but" part. As I said, she doesn't need to run around in a swimsuit. But the outfit on the cover does look sexy, in a Bayonetta-esque way. This >>88351159 looks mundane and uninspired. As for the low cut, it looks more trashy and out of place than sexy.

What's weird, is that the new creative team keep namedropping stuff like Barbarella and Modesty Blaise as their inspirations. But both of these were very sensuous and spicy, especially for their time. This >>88351159 however looks like "sexy" if it was done by someone who thinks sex is boring and overrated

It's Paul Cornell doing sci-fi vampires, I'm sure it'll be fine.
Sure the design is crap, but lets not pretend anyone gives a shit about Vampirella.

>>88379462
Most of Marvel's 'progressive' books flop, but FemThor is a pretty solid seller.

>>88379462
It's one of the most popular Marvel books atm, for some reason

>>88378765
>Fell's Five
It still hurts

It will never stop hurting

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>>88379576
>if it was done by someone who thinks sex is boring and overrated
More like people who thinks a traditionally sexy character is offensive.

It's like be as open with whatever disgusting fetish you like, but please don't like sexy girls

>>88379369
But comics like Spider-Man, Static Shock or Byrne/Claremont X-Men (at their peak) managed to do that without shitting on their campy premise, by giving both parts of a superhero's life equal attention. My question was about people who want to read slice-of-life under a superhero brand, rather than just have superhero/sci-fi stories feature more slice-of-life elements.

The thumbnail initially had me thinking the reboot was a sort of Holly Golightly as a vampire.

Not sure how far they could carry that story, but I would read it.

>>88347108
>José Gonzalez.
is so talented

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>>88379679

Fuck you for not taking my image, 4chan. She would make an excellent supernatural parasite and you know it.

>>88346655

Well they could bring back her 'anime' design from Vampi, but that would get shit on even harder by /co/.

>>88379576
>This >>88351159 however looks like "sexy" if it was done by someone who thinks sex is boring and overrated
This exactly! I'm one of those people who honestly thinks swimsuit outfits on superheroines just look silly and trashy as fuck. But! There are many ways you can make a sexy costume without having her look like a cheap stripper. One of my faves is the classic Morticia Adams, she looks sexy but classy at the same time. Most modern redesigns that try to move away from the cheap swimsuit look, feel like they just don't like the idea of an intentionally sexual female look at all.

https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/187563-Retro-Without-Rewind-In-Paul-Cornells-Vampirella

In case anyone wants to push pause on the circle jerk and talk about the comic.

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>>88379679
>>88379737
Don't you dare compare them
Holly was a qt unlike this coked-out trash

>>88346374
That seems like it's gonna look really out of place in a 3000+ setting.

>>88379919

They're nothing alike. I just think a qt vapid materialist would make for a fun vampire character.

>Paul Cornell

Oh boy. And you faggots thought Leth was bad.

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>>88346374
What this cover tells me is that I want Platinum to make a Castlevania game, set in the pre-LoS continuity. Or maybe just one that brings Gabriel and Trevor!Alucard peace.

>>88379869
>In our run, she's a bit of an everywoman, a relatable character lost in a terrible world.
>a bit of an everywoman
>a relatable character
Welp.

>>88379978
>It's a British nu-male tries to write a woman episode

>>88379948
What's wrong with Cornell?

>>88346374
Vampirella Live Action Film When?

>>88380133
I find his writing to cloying, too "look-how-quirky-I-am". Like all Dr. Who writers, really.

>>88380169
Fair enough, but you really think that makes him worse than Leth?

>>88380197
Leth is bad, but she's not "make Captain Britain a Muslim woman for PC points" bad.

>>88363526
If they wanted to cosplay it. They'd just be cosplaying the league of legends character Vayne. This is a shameless ripoff of that design.

>>88379869
>PREVIEWSworld: Vampirella has been reinvented and relaunched numerous times, yet has never lost her energy or appeal as a character. With this new iteration, what is the greatest challenge you face with both diehard fans and new readers?

>Paul Cornell: To do something radically new and bring in new readers. To push nostalgia away as always, because nostalgia is the waiting room for death.

Well good luck on that buddy

>>88346426
This. No one cares about Dynamite characters until they get redesigned, then the population of /co/ who seem to only care about fighting the tumblr boogeyman come out of the woodwork acting like it's an insult to the great legacy of their favorite comic book.

Those queers at Dynamite also always insist putting Red Sonja in clothes now. Vampirella and her belong in their bikinis

>>88380226
That was Al Ewing and an alternate universe.

Cornell had her wield Excalibur, but even then it was before catering to the PC crowd was much of a thing, even at Marvel.

Could you see Leth ever writing anything on The Black Ring's level?

>>88379611
holly fuck!!! WHY?!!!

>>88380309
Do you read either one, even in bikinis?

>>88380309
Nah, the recent Red Sonja reboot put her back in the metal bikini.

>>88380307
There have always been Vampirella fans on /co/, she's just not in a lot.

By your reasoning there must also be zero Hellboy fans on /co/, since he doesn't get a big stupid daily general.

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>>88379869
Launching a new and different direction for the world famous shapely vampire, writer Paul Cornell elaborates about his ideas for the upcoming Vampirella #0 (DEC161533) from Dynamite Entertainment. It is not his intention to rest on the laurels of his character’s history or popularity. Paul Cornell intends to step on the gas, drive really fast, and throw caution to the wind for fear of immortality reaching its expiration date.


PREVIEWSworld: Paul, you have had experience writing every comic book character from Doctor Who to Lex Luthor to Wolverine. What does it mean to you to begin a new chapter in the career of a character as iconic as Vampirella for Dynamite?

Paul Cornell: It's lovely to take on a character with such a long history and so many portrayals.

PREVIEWSworld: Vampirella has been portrayed as everything from cheesecake to a skilled monster hunter. How do you see this character as a writer?

Paul Cornell: In our run, she's a bit of an everywoman, a relatable character lost in a terrible world. That's not a first for her, really, but I like the chance to put the audience onside with her, inside her head.

PREVIEWSworld: You've said that while you will not ignore the character's past continuity, Vampirella under your pen will be headed for a new world where "the gothic meets science fiction." Tell us more about that.

Paul Cornell: I think some characters have just been rebooted too much, so we're not going to do that. We're going to forge ahead. She's the gothic, and the shape she brings is the snake in the garden, the ancient revenge, and the SF is the dystopian world she wakes up in.

>>88380337
Because it's Thor.

It's not doing any better than the previous regular Thor series, but since it's not doing worse they have no incentive to change back.

>>88380307
Nice strawman bro.

>>88380356
Not that anon, but I'm here because I liked Vampirella's old school Warren comics. I haven't read any of her Dynamite runs.

>>88380328
> but even then it was before catering to the PC crowd was much of a thing, even at Marvel.

It was a sign of things to come, and don't forget the PC trend was already raging in the UK at the time.

>>88380401
Not reading Dynamite is a book policy almost 100% of the time.

>>88380431
Okay, but does that make the book, or even the character, bad?

>>88380367
I thought in the reboot she only had it on the covers and in the inside she is wearing more.

>the kind of subtle, sophisticated look we want to give her now.
That's not how you spell "awkward 20-something hipster with style issues"

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>>88380380

PREVIEWSworld: When Vampirella takes her first nourishing drink of blood in your issue #0, she notices something has changed about humans. Or at least the humans she first encounters. Can you tell us anything about that at this point?

Paul Cornell: They have a new sort of blood, which is to do with the set-up of the world, the way the bargain between life and death has been altered. It's very tasty, mind you.

PREVIEWSworld: What is it like to be reunited with your frequent collaborator, artist Jimmy Broxton? Tell us what his art will bring to this new volume of Vampirella.

Paul Cornell: He's got this classy, European style going now, which so plays to both the origins of the character, in black-and-white magazine art, and to the kind of subtle, sophisticated look we want to give her now. I keep saying Modesty Blaise, and Jimmy seems to enjoy that.

PREVIEWSworld: What can you tell us about any new characters that will play an important role in Vampirella's new life? Did you collaborate with Jimmy on their designs?

Paul Cornell: Well, I make suggestions in the script. Vampirella will have three companions on this journey, two innocents she stumbles across, and a cat she calls Grit. We all like the cat. We want Grit action figures.

PREVIEWSworld: Vampirella has been reinvented and relaunched numerous times, yet has never lost her energy or appeal as a character. With this new iteration, what is the greatest challenge you face with both diehard fans and new readers?

Paul Cornell: To do something radically new and bring in new readers. To push nostalgia away as always, because nostalgia is the waiting room for death.

>>88380594
>>88380380
I like all these covers, and the fact that they aren't throwing away her past, but it sounds like they might as well be.

>>88380676
Just wait a few months. She'll be back to normal next reboot.

>>88380368
>There have always been Vampirella fans on /co/, she's just not in a lot.

Out of the 68 posters in this thread, how many of them do you think have actually read a Vampirella comic?

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>there are people among us on /co/ RIGHT NOW who won't read a comic book with a female unless she's got tits and ass showing everywhere

>no one ever taught these people how find pornography

>>88380676
>I like all these covers
Those are variant covers, they aren't representative of the actual comic.

>the fact that they aren't throwing away her past
Wut? He literally said
>To do something radically new and bring in new readers. To push nostalgia away as always, because nostalgia is the waiting room for death.
He only said it won't be a reboot. Meaning, they'll never say the past never happened, but will probably just ignore it

>>88380802
>hurr If you like sexy drawings just watch porn.

Because sometimes I just like to see a well-drawn female form, you dumb faggot.

>>88380743
>I don't like something, obviously means everyone else is just faking it

>>88380474
No.
>>88370594

>>88380802
That's as stupid as saying "why do you want humor in your superhero comics? if you want jokes, just go watch standup comedy"

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>>88351426
>Your vagina is haunted
Never fails.

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>>88346374
>Everything on the right

>>88381421
I'm confident that by June she'll have a strong waifufag following.

>>88381421
Why do you have such shit taste, anon?

>>88346374
But her boobs aren't big.
In to the trash it goes.

>>88382554
Yeah, because that totally happened with >>88346655

>>88382554
Waifufags are the scum of the comics fandom

>>88382554
By June she'll have another ill-conceived relaunch.

>>88382554
>>88381421
Well waifufags are known to have shitty taste, so...

>>88376842
Wait, is that Nicola Scott?

If so, hot damn.
If not, a shame, but still, hot damn.

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>>88382944
Yeah. That's her. A few years back, but it's her. In addition to being born to draw Wonder Woman, Scott was a model and actress.

She's one of those offensively over-talented people who are still too nice to actually hate.

>>88383089
Nice.

Plus, isn't Nicola Scott the one who said at a panel once that DC doesn't need "The View" to let people know they have diverse characters?

>>88383089
Nicola Scott is probably the only Australian woman in the world worth waifuing.

>>88383089
So how can a woman wear this: >>88376842
but still want to cover up a sexy character: >>88346655

I don't get the double standard logic. She obviously finds it empowering/liberating to cosplay in an outfit that's pretty skimpy. Why can't she accept a fictional character who wears something skimpy?

>>88383202
I don't think she wanted to, I think she was just paid to draw that by Dynamite.

>>88383202
You are clearly not familiar with her work.

>>88383202
Holy shit, you are autistic.

>>88383226
Fair enough.
>>88383311
I'm not, that's why I'm asking.
>>88383350
I don't see how.

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>>88383491
Scott's amazingly fanservice-y. She has zero problems with sexy designs for women or men.

>that whole Skartaris arc of Secret Six where Scandal had no pants

You just really shouldn't take a piece of commercial work and ascribe motives to an artist. Artists are very often given lots of specifics on what's wanted from them for the job. Hell, for that matter, lots of writers too.

>>88380743
Does Vampi count?

>>88383823
A lot of people don't realize that these are commercial artists. They don't give a fuck most of the time and will say whatever bullshit their employer wants. It's not about principles it's about making a living. Cho can get off saying what he wants because that's part of his persona but most of them don't even give a shit about the work they do professionally.

That doesn't mean they don't have artistic integrity just that it doesn't apply to their commercial work.

>>88384046
Exactly. We can't afford to judge the character comic book professionals on the content of their work.

That's what their twitter behavior is for.

>>88383823
>>88384046
Fair enough, thanks for clarifying. I was honestly not aware of her work (or maybe I've seen it but didn't remember the name). Based on what you said, it really seems ooc for Nicola Scott to have such a double standard.

I wonder who the real mastermind behind Vampirella's last redesign was then.

And why did they choose to hire Nicola Scott to do it, if they wanted a desexualizing redesign while she's known for sexy work.

>>88384192
>Hey, Nicola!
>G'day, mate!
>We're doing a new Vampirella series. It's gonna be kind of action-y, monster hunting Buffy crap. Kate Leth is writing.
>Crikey!
>Yeah. You're good at action comedy stuff. And it's a paycheck.
>Strewth!
>Right. So toss us some design concepts and the job's yours. What do you say?
>Straya, cunt!

At least that's how I imagine it went down.

>>88384323
>Kate Leth is writing.
>Crikey!
exactly my reaction

>>88384323
Fair enough I guess.

>>88384192
>I wonder who the real mastermind behind Vampirella's last redesign was then.
Late Keth.

>>88380879
>that complete lack of interest
DOA

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>>88383089

One of the worst Wonder Woman artist of all time

>>88385663
>who is David Finch

The irony is that there are a lot of young women who love characters like Vampirella and see them as power fantasies in the same way a young man might see Conan. I bet you that a huge amount of the merchandise for these iconic characters is bought by women, if not the majority of it. Hot Topic has practically made their entire business based on this truth.

So, basically, I don't understand what the point of changing a character to appeal to people who don't like that character, especially when in the process of doing so you'll make people who already like that character STOP liking them. Why can't people who like Vampirella just be allowed to continue liking Vampirella, and people who are interested in a more modern, feminist type of character can read something else?

Well, of course the answer obviously has more to do with the fact that Vampirella doesn't exactly light up the sales charts, and we are on a slow march toward making everything as bland and inoffensive as possible to appeal to the broadest possible audience, but the question was rhetorical.

>>88380226

That was just shameful, to be honest.

Like, Captain Britain is supposed to represent the spirit of your nation. Unless Britain is a Muslim-majority nation, making one Captain Britain is really stupid.

Now, I'm Chinese, so I have a different perspective on things. If there was - hypothetically - a Captain China, he would be Han Chinese. Possibly the last descendant of the First Emperor of China, an imperial heir, or some Communist paragon. (More hilariously, he could be like that guy in New Super-man.)

He would never be a minority. Ever.

But let's say the spirits have come together and say - as one - "This Uighur Muslim is Captain China. Heaven has spoken, and ruin will result if he is not accepted." You know what we would do?

We would go "Thanks, but no thanks, Heaven" and shoot him in the head. Then we would pick someone more appropriate. We'll deal with the disaster later.

It's like making Captain America a blac-

Oh wait.

Seriously, when do we get the storyline of the whitest man ever beating up Sam Wilson and taking the shield away from him? You're telling me you can't get a Marine veteran, a member of Seal Team 6, or a Chris Kyle-alike to be Captain America?

Posting in the longest lasting Vampirella thread in /co/ history

>>88346374
>>>I’m hoping especially to find a female audience.
They never learn. The always pander to the feminists, who eventually turn on them, and their original fanbase is completely alienated by that point.

>>88386817
>Well, of course the answer obviously has more to do with the fact that Vampirella doesn't exactly light up the sales charts, and we are on a slow march toward making everything as bland and inoffensive as possible to appeal to the broadest possible audience, but the question was rhetorical.
Yeah, that's sad.

>>88346655
I actually think it's a nice modern upgrade it Vamperella, the redesign bit...at least the one on the left. the one on the right in op is retarded.

For one, the rightmost one doesn't have the sultry red dress reveal the same amount of clevage as the other. Secondly the added sleeved to the outfit make it look less sexy and more like a bag. Thirdly she has what looks like a Jean grey pheonix logo on her shirt, why is that even theree? Either use the black one on the cover or none at all. Lastly, her hair, in the cover art even though it's windswept it's stil a completely differnt cut, while the right is completely vanilla. You'd wan it tussled a bit with layers, rather than the blad and boring dollar store cut she's got on the right.

>>88346405
I feel like a lot of Dynamite covers tend to look cool.

>>88380153
There was one in the 90s

I've liked Cornell's writing in the past, but like most liberals these days, the guy's turned into a bit of an asshole cuck. He had a freakout when he found out Kate Bush was a tory.

>>88350781
>Character created in a line of comics that went against the Comics Code and self-censorship
>Is now being written and drawn by twats who self-censor

Way to miss the point, lads

>>88352187
It's like that screencap about an issue of Hellcat.

Leth had bedbugs, so she wrote Hellcat vs bedbugs.

Leth gets in fights in social media, so she writes Vampirella vs social media.

Next you know, she'll write some other female comics character having an affair with a married guy and then flaunting after the guy dies of cancer.

>>88387605
You're a cunt, mate.

>My final licensed property, then, will be the last issue of my run on Vampirella

Gee...wonder what soured him

>>88346374
they could have put her in a garbage bag and i'd have been happy, are we really going to pretend a sling bikini was a good design

>>88394449
It's better than this crap

>>88379101

>Buddy buddy

Pretty hot. Comic gate style

>>88394425
The desire to create stuff that's truly your own is understandable.

He' bringing Saucer Country back next year, which is cool.

>>88396132
Is Saucer Country good?

>>88387605
You are retarded.

>>88397869
Different anon, but I couldn't get into it, and he obviously rushed through the final issues to drop as many revelations as he could without actually delivering an ending.

>>88350781
>Vampirella's outfit was designed by Trina Robbins, notable underground comix artist and feminist.
Too bad for her but that breed of feminist is long-dead. The only one left nowadays are the sex-negative.

>>88394425
Where did he say that?

>>88400147
His blog. Google the quote.

>>88346374
Being sexy is sexist duh

>>88384323
>Straya, cunt!

I refuse to believe my artistfu is one of those. She's a classy Aussie, like Cate Blanchette

>>88386817
>The irony is that there are a lot of young women who love characters like Vampirella

Name one. You can't, can you?

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>>88385663


Look like me!!!

>>88401596
Your mom

I can't remember the last time Vampirella was relevant

>>88370435

>Khornewritesacomicbook.jpg

>>88393592
They do the opposite of whatever is popular at the time. When the CCA was a thing, they went against it, now that it's not, self-censorship ahoy.

>>88379101
She's from possibly the biggest comic news site on the net, and has enough social pull to get garbage like Squirrel Girl nominated for an Eisner.

>>88352198
Woah, is this a toyline with customizable monster action figures?

>>88403842
I'd say self-censorship and puritanism are pretty popular these days.

>>88370435
Storytime of these comics?
Haven't really seen of them before since I am Marveldrone as fuck.

>>88404543
>Squirrel Girl nominated for an Eisner.
Wow... did that really happen?

>>88346426
this