November 2016 Comic Book Sales Report - Top 100's

> 64. MOTHER PANIC #1 (MR) [*] (DC)
> 65. INFAMOUS IRON MAN #2 (MAR)
> 66. AQUAMAN #10 (DC)
> 67. JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #10 (DC)
> 68. SPIDER-MAN #9 (MAR)
> 69. DEADPOOL BACK IN BLACK #3 (MAR)
> 70. DOCTOR STRANGE #14 (MAR)
> 71. MIGHTY THOR #13 (MAR)
> 72. DEADPOOL #22 (MAR)
> 73. OCCUPY AVENGERS #1 (MAR)
> 74. AQUAMAN #11 (DC)
> 75. SUPERGIRL #3 (DC)
> 76. DEATHSTROKE #6 (DC)
> 77. UNCANNY X-MEN #15 (MAR)
> 78. JESSICA JONES #2 (MAR)
> 79. RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #4 (DC)
> 80. DEATHSTROKE #7 (DC)
> 81. ALL NEW WOLVERINE #14 (MAR)
> 82. UNCANNY X-MEN ANNUAL #1 (MAR)
> 83. BATGIRL #5 (DC)
> 84. ULTIMATES 2 #1 (MAR)
> 85. EXTRAORDINARY X-MEN #16 (MAR)
> 86. DAREDEVIL #13 (MAR)
> 87. DEADPOOL BACK IN BLACK #4 (MAR)
> 88. STAR WARS FORCE AWAKENS ADAPTATION #6 (MAR)
> 89. HARBINGER RENEGADE #1 [*] (VAL)
> 90. BATGIRL AND THE BIRDS OF PREY #4 (DC)
> 91. UNCANNY AVENGERS #16 (MAR)
> 92. MOON KNIGHT #8 (MAR)
> 93. MOSAIC #2 (MAR)
> 94. ALL NEW X-MEN #15 (MAR)
> 95. AD AFTER DEATH BOOK 01 (IMA)
> 96. DOOM PATROL #3 (MR) [*] (DC)
> 97. SUPERWOMAN #4 (DC)
> 98. ALL NEW X-MEN ANNUAL #1 (MAR)
> 99. DOCTOR STRANGE SORCERERS SUPREME #2 (MAR)
> 100. GREAT LAKES AVENGERS #2 (MAR)

>Dark Horse Comics' Serenity: No Power in the 'Verse #2 was their best-selling book at #113.


>Please note that comics marked with an asterisk (*) have had their reported quantities reduced due to retailer returnability, and thus may rank lower on the charts than their actual sales would reflect.

TOP 100 GRAPHIC NOVELS
Based on Total Unit Sales of Products Invoiced in November 2016

> 1. PAPER GIRLS TP VOL 02 (IMA)
> 2. MARVEL HIP HOP COVERS HC VOL 01 (MAR)
> 3. DC SUPER HERO GIRLS TP VOL 02 HITS AND MYTHS (DC)
> 4. STAR WARS DARTH VADER TP VOL 04 END OF GAMES (MAR)
> 5. UNBELIEVABLE GWENPOOL TP VOL 01 BELIEVE IT (MAR)
> 6. SANDMAN OVERTURE TP (MR) (DC)
> 7. DC UNIVERSE REBIRTH DELUXE EDITION HC (DC)
> 8. VISION TP VOL 02 LITTLE BETTER THAN BEAST (MAR)
> 9. MOON KNIGHT TP VOL 01 LUNATIC (MAR)
> 10. DEADPOOL V GAMBIT TP V IS FOR VS (MAR)
> 11. MONSTRESS TP VOL 01 (MR) (IMA)
> 12. LCSD 2016 DC UNIVERSE REBIRTH DELUXE EDITION HC (DC)
> 13. ONE PUNCH MAN GN VOL 09 (VIZ)
> 14. HULK WWH TP (MAR)
> 15. WOLVERINE OLD MAN LOGAN TP (MAR)
> 16. NEW SUICIDE SQUAD TP VOL 04 KILL ANYTHING (DC)
> 17. LCSD 2016 DOCTOR STRANGE OATH EXCLUSIVE HC (MAR)
> 18. FLASH TP VOL 08 ZOOM (DC)
> 19. MARVEL SUPER HEROES SECRET WARS TP (MAR)
> 20. JUSTICE LEAGUE DARKSEID WAR POWER OF THE GODS TP (DC)
> 21. NAILBITER TP VOL 05 BOUND BY BLOOD (MR) (IMA)
> 22. DEADPOOL & CABLE ULTIMATE COLLECTION TP BOOK 01 (MAR)
> 23. CAPTAIN AMERICA WINTER SOLDIER ULTIMATE COLLECTION TP (MAR)
> 24. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN WORLDWIDE TP VOL 03 (MAR)
> 25. BATMAN DARK KNIGHT RETURNS COLLECTORS EDITION BOX SET (DC)
> 26. PAPER GIRLS TP VOL 01 (IMA)
> 27. SAGA TP VOL 06 (MR) (IMA)
> 28. UNBEATABLE SQUIRREL GIRL TP VOL 04 KISSED SQUIRREL LIKED IT (MAR)
> 29. SAGA TP VOL 01 (MR) (IMA)
> 30. MULTIVERSITY TP (DC)
> 31. LEGEND OF ZELDA LEGENDARY ED GN VOL 01 OCARINA TIME (VIZ)
> 32. ASTONISHING X-MEN WHEDON CASSADAY ULT COLL TP BOOK 01 (MAR)
> 33. ART OF DC COMICS BOMBSHELLS HC (DC)
> 34. WALKING DEAD TP VOL 01 DAYS GONE BYE (IMA)
> 35. DEADLY HANDS OF KUNG FU OMNIBUS HC VOL 01 (MAR)
> 36. CIVIL WAR II AMAZING SPIDER-MAN TP (MAR)
> 37. DC COMICS DARK HORSE COMICS JUSTICE LEAGUE TP VOL 01 (DC)
> 38. SPIDER-MAN BLUE TP (MAR)
> 39. GOTHAM ACADEMY TP VOL 03 YEARBOOK (DC)

> 40. BATMAN DETECTIVE COMICS TP VOL 08 BLOOD OF HEROES (DC)
> 41. KLAUS HC (BOO)
> 42. TANK GIRL 2 GIRLS 1 TANK TP (MR) (TTN)
> 43. CIVIL WAR II CHOOSING SIDES TP (MAR)
> 44. CIVIL WAR II X-MEN TP (MAR)
> 45. UNCANNY X-MEN SUPERIOR TP VOL 02 APOCALYPSE WARS (MAR)
> 46. ASTONISHING X-MEN WHEDON CASSADAY ULT COLL TP BOOK 02 (MAR)
> 47. SPACE GHOST TP NEW ED (DC)
> 48. MUHAMMAD ALI HC (DAR)
> 48. SUPER MARIO ADVENTURES GN (VIZ)
> 50. BATMAN THE KILLING JOKE SPECIAL ED HC (DC)
> 51. CARNAGE MINIMUM CARNAGE TP (MAR)
> 52. DISNEY MANGA NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS HC LTD ED (TOK)
> 53. GREEN LANTERN CORPS EDGE OF OBLIVION TP (DC)
> 54. SAGA TP VOL 02 (MR) (IMA)
> 55. MMW BLACK PANTHER HC VOL 02 (MAR)
> 56. SECRET WAR TP (MAR)
> 57. SAGA TP VOL 05 (MR) (IMA)
> 58. CIVIL WAR II KINGPIN TP (MAR)
> 59. WAR OF KINGS OMNIBUS HC (MAR)
> 60. SUPERMAN THE COMING OF THE SUPERMEN HC (DC)
> 61. MMW DOCTOR STRANGE HC VOL 07 (MAR)
> 62. CAPTAIN MARVEL BY JIM STARLIN TP COMPLETE COLLECTION (MAR)
> 63. MIGHTY THOR PREM HC VOL 02 LORDS OF MIDGARD (MAR)
> 64. BLACK CANARY TP VOL 02 NEW KILLER STAR (DC)
> 65. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN BY JMS ULTIMATE COLL TP BOOK 01 (MAR)
> 66. WALKING DEAD TP VOL 26 CALL TO ARMS (MR) (IMA)
> 67. SECRET INVASION TP (MAR)
> 68. FLASH HC VOL 09 FULL STOP (DC)
> 69. ALEISTER & ADOLF HC (MR) (DAR)
> 70. NORTHLANDERS TP BOOK 02 THE ICELANDIC SAGA (MR) (DC)
> 71. COMPLETE ELFQUEST TP VOL 03 (DAR)
> 72. BATMAN DETECTIVE COMICS HC VOL 09 GORDON AT WAR (DC)
> 72. MICKEY CRAZIEST ADVENTURES HC (IDW)
> 74. CIVIL WAR II GODS OF WAR TP (MAR)
> 75. ABSOLUTE BATMAN YEAR ONE HC (DC)
> 76. BATMAN ARKHAM KNIGHT TP VOL 03 (DC)
> 77. FEAR ITSELF TP (MAR)
> 78. I HATE FAIRYLAND TP VOL 01 MADLY EVER AFTER (MR) (IMA)
> 79. ROCKET RACCOON AND GROOT TP VOL 02 (MAR)
> 80. AMERICAN MONSTER TP VOL 01 (MR) (AFT)
> 80. FAITH TP VOL 02 CALIFORNIA SCHEMING (VAL)
> 82. CREATURES OF THE NIGHT HC (2ND ED) (DAR)
> 83. SHE WOLF TP VOL 01 (IMA)
> 84. WHO KILLED KURT COBAIN STORY OF BODDAH HC (IDW)

>>88340799
>47. CHAMPIONS #2 (MAR)
jesus christ

> 84. SAGA TP VOL 03 (MR) (IMA)
> 86. HOWARD THE DUCK TP VOL 02 GOOD NIGHT GOOD DUCK (MAR)
> 87. OUTCAST BY KIRKMAN & AZACETA HC BOOK 01 (MR) (IMA)
> 87. WICKED & DIVINE TP VOL 01 THE FAUST ACT (MR) (IMA)
> 89. ONE PIECE GN VOL 80 (VIZ)
> 90. SUPERMAN THE GOLDEN AGE TP VOL 02 (DC)
> 91. SUPERMAN THE MAN OF STEEL TP VOL 09 (DC)
> 92. VENOM SPACE KNIGHT TP VOL 02 ENEMIES AND ALLIES (MAR)
> 93. X-23 COMPLETE COLLECTION TP VOL 02 (MAR)
> 94. LUKE CAGE IRON FIST AND HEROES FOR HIRE TP VOL 01 (MAR)
> 95. DEADPOOL KILLS MARVEL UNIVERSE TP (MAR)
> 95. DARK SOULS TP BREATH OF ANDOLUS (MR) (TTN)
> 97. STAR WARS EPISODE III HC REVENGE OF SITH (MAR)
> 98. ADVENTURE TIME ORIGINAL GN ISLANDS (BOO)
> 99. LCSD 2016 OUTCAST BY KIRKMAN & AZACETA HC BOOK 01 (MR) (IMA)
> 100. WATCHMEN NOIR HC (DC)


Also note that this covers only orders made by North American Diamond accounts.


Sauce:
https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/187745-Exclusive-Novembers-Top-100-Best-Selling-Comics
https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/187728-Exclusive-Novembers-Top-100-Best-Selling-Graphic-Novels

>>88340799
> 40. TEEN TITANS #2 (DC)
> 41. TITANS #5 (DC)
> 47. CHAMPIONS #2 (MAR)
kek
> 28. CLONE CONSPIRACY #2 (MAR)
Oh thank god, this isn't selling well at all
> 6. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN RENEW YOUR VOWS #1 (MAR)
Good Job, one of the few Marvel books I actually enjoy, hopefully it'll stay at the top ten
> 5. INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #1 (MAR)
This is gonna drop so hard I can feel it.
> 84. ULTIMATES 2 #1 (MAR)
RIP Ewing
> 93. MOSAIC #2 (MAR)
This seems good, but then aren't they doubling all the orders for this one by matching the #1 orders?
> 2. MARVEL HIP HOP COVERS HC VOL 01 (MAR)
For what reason?
> 7. DC UNIVERSE REBIRTH DELUXE EDITION HC (DC)
Why? It's literally just the $3 comic in hard bound.
> 7. BATMAN ANNUAL #1 (DC)
Jesus christ, I haven't seen an annual this high ever.

>>88340801
90. BATGIRL AND THE BIRDS OF PREY #4 (DC)
That a big fall, what happened in this issue? I remember it being close to RHATO in sells.

>dat DC drop

Hilarious, given the autistic celebrations of dc fans in the past two months

Well, it seems Marvel has more in the Top 100 (49 to DC's 45*) than DC but DC has more in the Top 50 (27* to Marvel's 21) along with the Top 25 (Marvel has 9 DC has 14*)

*+1 more if you count the Batman TMNT Adventures book.

>>88340928
you talk about a DC drop when champions which was #1 last month and in this month #47, even with free copies and shit

>>88340928
I'm not suprised because I already said that Rebirth wasn't that much different from N52.

I have enjoyed a lot of rebirth books in the beginning, but they started to lose their steam and only few worth reading.

> 47. CHAMPIONS #2 (MAR)

That would put it roughly at between 40k - 50k, right? That the drop-off from the seriously inflated by scummy tactics #1 sales would be huge was a certainty but I thought it would at least stay in the 100k range for #2.

> 84. ULTIMATES 2 #1 (MAR)

Poor Ewing. First the book got fucked by CW2 and then the relaunch is off to a shitty start.

Also, am I blind or is New Super-Man no longer in the top 100?

>>88340799
are other DC fans even trying?
considering the amount of bitching they do here and online you would assume they would outnumber Batman fans

>>88340963
Champs was always fake though.

>>88340992
Nope, it's gone. Probably at 20K now. High 20s if we're lucky. I'm still holding out that it gets until the first Superman Family Wide Crossover before it gets cancelled. I'm hoping his appearance in the main Superman book next year would bump up his sales.

>>88340995
You don't need to bitch if you're on top :^)

>>88340799
> 47. CHAMPIONS #2 (MAR)
Top fucking kek. It was supposed to be flagship title of ANAD era and it's almost out of top 50. Waid/Brevoort BTFO.

> 18. UNWORTHY THOR #1 (MAR)
They really didn't push this book hard enough. It would've debuted in top 10 if if was an ongoing.

>8. VENOM #1 (MAR)
> 32. GHOST RIDER #1 (MAR)
> 33. BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #1 (MAR)
> 36. THANOS #1 (MAR)
Who wants to bet none of these will be in top 50 next month?

>23. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #21 (MAR)
Remember when this used to be in top 10 consistently?

>28. CLONE CONSPIRACY #2 (MAR)
This shit is failing so hard, even tie in is selling better than main event. What more incentive does Marvel need to kick Slott off the Spider-Man?

>96. DOOM PATROL #3 (MR) [*] (DC)
YAfags on suicide watch. But seriously though I hope these sell better in trades. The critical reception is there and people are definitely talking about these (at the very least Doom Patrol).

>>88340992
Superman is #21 and #22.

>>88340801
>95. AD AFTER DEATH BOOK 01 (IMA)
This debuted pretty low considering the team behind the title. Then again it's a) really expensive, b) didn't have too much hype, c) only a limited series and d) maybe too experimental.

>>88340992
>Also, am I blind or is New Super-Man no longer in the top 100?
It has been out of top 100 since last month.

Cyborg and Blue Beetle are out of top 100 of this month.

>>88340877
>Why? It's literally just the $3 comic in hard bound.
No? First print was $3 which had been cleared within 24 hours of its release almost everywhere. The hard bound cover were further prints and $6. This has all the variants, characters sketches and other shit. Going forward, this will be the only way people will be able to read the one shot unless they want to buy Rebirth Omnibus.

>Comicbook fans have shit taste

Christ

>>88340963
>B-but champions

I don't remember any msrvelfags busting my balls about champions mate

>>88341022
>Who wants to bet none of these will be in top 50 next month?
I'm surprised someone unironically expected fucking Wakandan lesbians to sell.
Oh well. Star Wars is always there to push numbers.

>>88340799
>all those marvel titles that are either events or #1s
>barely even competing with DC titles

Wow is this the end of Marvel? Probably one of the most lackluster relaunches ever. If they can't even dominate the top 20 with all of that, what's it going to be like in a month?

>>88340806

> 11. MONSTRESS TP VOL 01 (MR) (IMA)

Jesus, this book has some insane legs. The trade was number #1 in July and has been hovering around in the top 15 since then.

>>88341020

>Nope, it's gone. Probably at 20K now. High 20s if we're lucky.

That's a real pity, I like it a lot (although admittedly it has been losing steam a bit).

>>88340928
>dat DC drop
I don't think the drop is big to be honest because there are bunch of #1 taking the spot.

Supergirl and BoP numbers don't seem very promising despite having a big debut and I'm curious how much TT fall from #1 and Superwoman, NSM, BB and Cyborg aren't doing well.

Tec and Flash are definitely the biggest winners of rebirth.

B-BUT SUPERBRO WAS THE PROBLEM?!
THE "ORIGINAL" SUPERMAN IS BACK NOW WHY ISN'T SELLING?! HE EVEN HAS A NEW KID?!
WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?1

>>88340992
>Poor Ewing. First the book got fucked by CW2 and then the relaunch is off to a shitty start.
>>88340877
>RIP Ewing
If he was smart, he'd have jumped ship to DC. Seriously the guy has been doing budget Avengers books since 2014 (13) and he isn't getting a big fucking promotion he deserves. Next event is going to be Spencer's baby and then Aaron will lead an event. King went from writing a book that sold 8k to book that's top seller. Orlando went from writing Gay Batman to JLA and Williamson who got exclusive in July/August is writing the first main event of Rebirth within 6 months.
Marvel values artists, DC values writers, it's really that simple.

>>88341142
>Tec
>Batman + Batfamily = money
It's not suprise really and DC has been pushing it hard.

The bat characters in general are doing well and will probably will get a boost with the major event in summer.

>>88340799

What the fuck is happening to Spider-Man? He's losing to Superman and his event is selling less than the back up done by Gage?

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>>88340799
>> 47. CHAMPIONS #2 (MAR)

>>88341180
You do realize people are just buying ASM now out of habit and autism of having a complete collection right? Nobody gives a shit about Clonespiracy.

>>88341137
Last issue was rushed as hell. It shows the pacing issues Yang has and considering he has almost exclusively written OGNs all his career, I don't blame him. He doesn't have the best of editors like Khouri/Bat house to guide his ship either. Still almost everyone with good taste is impressed by the book.

>>88341151
No red underwear.

>>88340799
Tragic situation for Marvel.

>>88341180
People don't give a fuck anymore dude. People are plain tired of Slott.

>>88341222
It's tragic situation for comic industry as whole, anon.

Nothing changed and it's still Batman, #1s and events that are selling while the rest are struggling.

>>88340799
> 21. SUPERMAN #10 (DC)
> 22. SUPERMAN #11 (DC)

No one likes Rebirth Superman. Get rid of the boring shit and bring back Superbro

>>88341246
>No one likes Superman unless an A Star creative team is attached to it
FTFY. ; ^)

>>88341237
>quality comics selling

Oh no the horror

>inb4 King is bad! Batman is always bad because I don't like it!

>>88341277
King is million times better than Snyder, what are you talking about?

>>88341277
What quality? The events are awful and only delusional King's fanboys think Batman is good.

All Star Batman is selling because Snyder + Batman and the rest are because of #1s.

So, literally what quality you are talking about again?

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>>88341277
>King's Batman
>Not bad

>>88341237
Good, let the comic industry die for once and all.

Or make all comics digital and be done with it.

>>88341246
>>88341274
It's selling better than when Johns was on the title

>>88341198

> You know what would be a good idea.
> A Spider-man story. With clones.
> Because Spider-man fans looooooove clones.

Also let's bring back fan favourites Ben Reilly and Kaine just so we can shit all over their characters.

>>88341331
Because of Rebirth hype. Not because of it's muh Superman. Johns run was half added as hell and DCucks disliked Romita's art which tbf was not very well done and wasn't right choice for that title.

Wait, I can't keep track. Which Superman title is the one with Superdad and his son?

>>88341358
All except -girl, -woman and New Super-Man.

>>88341358
They both are, to an extent, but Superman is better and has more direct Superdad and Superlad

> 6. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN RENEW YOUR VOWS #1 (MAR)
> 23. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #21 (MAR)
> 28. CLONE CONSPIRACY #2 (MAR)

This pleases me. Here's hoping Conway can keep it up.

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>>88340799
>34. HARLEY QUINN #7 (DC)
>37. HARLEY QUINN #8 (DC)

YESSSS, KEEP DROPPING.. YESSSS

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>>88341370
>yfw Tomasi cucked Jurgens out of main Superman title and story
Based Tomasi/Gleason. Even though they're mediocre, I fucking love them for making Superman somewhat readable in Rebirth era.

>>88341412
Superman is comfy as fuck. Which makes it instantly readable.

>>88341323
It's was the movie industry that save it from total collapse and will probably die once people get bored of comic movies.

>>88341142
>I'm curious how much TT fall from #1
Probably 50k-40k because Titans was around 50k last month.

>>88341352
It's been a few months, it's on fucking double digits already how long will it be until "Rebirth Hype" stops being an argument?

>>88340799
> Teen Titans is already down next to Titans in 2nd issue.

Jesus Christ. Titans is pretty stabilized ranking wise compared to this.

> Flash and Tec that high
i smell spin off books next wave

>>88341771
We're already getting the Batwoman spin-off, but I have a feeling it'll do about as well as her previous series.

>>88341621

I am wondering why the popularity of the movies doesn't really translate to an increase in comic or at least trade sales the way adaptions of books do.

>>88341796
Well, I guess a Speed Force book shouldn't be too behind either. Titans also sells relatively well so obviously speedsters are good selling point.

>>88341813
It actually has since, 2011. The MCU finally convinced more normies to give comics a chance.

>>88341771
We're already getting Batwoman. But yeah, I bet Flash is getting a spin-off book, probably a proper Wally solo title.

>>88340799
So... Teen Titans were a mistake. When will Starfire, Raven and Beast Boy join Dick's book?

>>88341765
>it's on fucking double digits already
Thanks to double shipping fag. Compare this shit five months in to Action relaunch with Morrison five months in. This will be within 50k range in a year.

>>88340799
>champions dropping from ~300k copies to ~50k copies
Couldn't have happened to a nicer book.

>>88341796
>Tec sells because of Batman, Steph, Cass and Tim
>lol let's give bat-tumblr that is too good to be a Batfamily member a solo book!

Hopefully it bombs like TT and DC focuses on already established characters instead of Damian and Batwoman

>>88340898
No longer returnable.

>>88341935
Like Tim and his clone buttboy, amirite?

>>88341935
>>Tec sells because of [...] Steph, Cass

KEK

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>>88340806
>Unbelievable Gwenpool outsold Vision and Moon Knight
Well how about that.

>>88340801
> 84. ULTIMATES 2 #1 (MAR)
PANIC

>>88341857
Damian just isn't a TT character. I think Nick Spencer had a good line-up for him with Supergirl, Batgirl and Irey West but he doesn't work as a leader to big guns like Beast Boy or Starfire. New52 Wally himself is also a hard pass for me.

>>88341839
>I bet Flash is getting a spin-off book, probably a proper Wally solo title.

>yfw it's a Kid Flash book

>>88341983
It surely doesn't sell because of Batwoman since her fans hate her portrayal there and hate when she works with the rest of the batcharacters in general since she is the most original and innovative hero ever made and not just someone else leeching off Batman's popularity

>>88340877
>For what reason?
A lot of people liked at least some of the rap cover variants, but they were all crazy incentive covers. It's either buy this or buy a single one of the rap variants for the same price.

>>88342017
>It surely doesn't sell because of Batwoman

I'm aware of that, but let's not pretend Steph and Cass have a much better status.

>>88340992
>I thought it would at least stay in the 100k range for #2
It's crazy to think that. There's no way it'd sell higher than ANAD Avengers, and ANAD Avengers wasn't exactly a top seller.

>>88341935
>Steph, Cass and Tim
Top lel, the issue where Tim "died" sold less than the previous one.

Though, Batwoman book will get canceled sooner or later.

>>88341219
This desu senpai

>>88342091
>Tim fans drop the title because they knew their favorite hero was going to die
>sells less because they have no more interest in it

it makes perfect sense

>>88341246
But it's selling fine?

>>88341306
>delusional King's fanboys think Batman is good
Most King fanboys hate it because it's clear that he's phoning it in. Vision, Omega Men, Grayson and Sheriff of Babylon are some of the best comics of the past couple years and Batman is "an alright Batman comic with some good scenes."

>>88341813
Because just because people like movies doesn't mean they'll like comics. They're two completely different mediums. There are plenty of people who like the Resident Evil movies and never play any of the games because they don't like video games.

Plus, most of the people that go from movies to comics just buy trades rather than get involved in the floppy market, and most trades aren't sold through diamond. So yes, people do buy comics thanks to the movies, but it's going to be non-direct market trades they buy and thus aren't part of any of these sales charts we talk about. The people buying ongoing comics at LCSs are pretty much the same people that have always been doing it, with a handful of new additions, and then the teens and young adults getting their shit off of comixology or pirating.

>>88342113
>Tim fans drop the title because they knew their favorite hero was going to die
Shouldn't his fans be actually curious to see what happen to their favorite?

>sells less because they have no more interest in it
The issue of Tim "death" should have give the book a big boost, but it didn't and the sells has been the same since he left the book.

>>88341887
>Comparing Morrison to Tomasi
One's a big name, the other isn't. No shit Morrison will sell better you fucking asschucker.

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>>88341935
>already established characters instead of Damian and Batwoman
>Damian Wayne: September 2006
>Batwoman: June 2006
Anon it's been a decade. Maybe it's time to let it go.

>>88342358
Sorry, anon. They weren't there when I was right, they don't matters. My childhood does.

>>88340799

>62. BATMAN BEYOND #2 (DC)

Wow. I had no idea there were still so many Terryfags

>>88342411
>BATMAN BEYOND #2
It's in the second issue and returnable. It will probably fall soon.

>>88342358
I am never letting go
And if 10 years they failed to find their foothold maybe it's DC that should let go

>>88342331
So people do only give a shit about Superman when big name is attached. Thank you for agreeing.

>>88342491
>failed to find their foothold
Top kek nigger. Damian is the most popular character created by big 2 this decade.

BLEEDING COOL 'WEDNESDAY WARRIORS' RANKINGS FOR THE WEEK OF DECEMBER 7, 2016:
> 1. Batman #12
> 2. Justice League #10
> 3. Superman #12
> 4. Walking Dead #161
> 5. Clone Conspiracy #3
> 6. Star Wars: Dr Aphra #1
> 7. Unworthy Thor #2
> 8. Nightwing #10
> 9. Harley Quinn #9
> 10. Green Lanterns #12

The 'Wednesday Warriors' for this edition are:
>Yesteryear Comics of San Diego, California
>Dr. No’s Comics & Games Superstore of Marietta, Georgia
>Famous Faces & Funnies of West Melbourne, FL
>Salefish Comics of Winston-Salem, NC
>Comics, Games & Coffee of Chichester, PO
>Graham Crackers Comics – 11 locations in the Mid-West
>G-Mart Comic Books of Champaign, IL


Sauce: http://archive.is/oudDH

>>88342545
No you dunce, I'm saying big names give titles big boosts.

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>>88342577
> 10. Green Lanterns #12

G-Mart Comic Books' commentary:

>Strong week for sales. Nearly our entire order of Clone Conspiracy was shorted by Diamond. All that really affected was Marvel having 2 books on the list instead of 3. DC dominates by virtue of Marvel releasing very few heavy hitter books this week. Slapstick, Nova, and Champions (again) are barely blips on the radar. DC has done what I thought impossible during the n52 era- make people want to read Superman books. Avengers is our #2 book this week. I have a feeling more out of habit and obligation than genuine excitement. Doctor Aphra had stronger sales than I expected putting it at #7. My favorite book of the week was Ringside #8.

>Marvel’s best week out of the gates for a couple of months with us, although for the full week DC will catch up over the weekend. Just outside the top 10 – Predator/Dredd/Aliens #3 which has been selling well from the shelves while waiting for this delayed issue – Motor Crush also nearly there as well :)

>Walking Dead led this week with a new issue and the Lucille bat replica toy. We offered a bundle deal of Nova #1 and Slapstick #1 for just $4.99 and only a small number of people took us up on it. However Nova #1 was our number 7 books. My initial reaction is that Slapstick can slap on off to an early cancellation. Over the store was busy and business this week was strong.

>We sold an Amazing Spiderman 1 CGC 3.5 SS signed by Stan Lee for $4600. That doesn’t happen often. We also moved a lot of Local Comic Shop Day items as that event and its exclusives start to catch the attention of our customers.

>>88342594


>DC continues its stranglehold on the top ten in our store, taking eight of slots (including the first seven positions). Marvel got one book in our top ten–and that was Doctor Aphra, which means that no Marvel Universe title could make the charts (and in fact, DC’s Cyborg took our eleventh place position, meaning that every DC Rebirth title outsold every Marvel Universe title; the best-selling Marvel Universe title was Unworthy Thor because customers want the original characters back). Marvel offered hefty free overships of several books, but we won’t sell through our base order, so we’ll never sell those overship copies. Rather than overshipping books that customers don’t enjoy, Marvel should put the effort into creating the books that buyers want.

>Batman and Spider-Man dominated our back issue sales this week.

>Star Wars Dr Aphra #1 was the top book of the week….hey Marvel did you hear that. Star Wars comics=top spot on sales charts…can i get an office with a view and six figure salary since apparently that simple equation is like rocket science at your building and i seem to be the only one that has a degree decent enough to figure out that mathematical formula.$$$.
P.S Batman did really well as usual.

>X-Men and Flash back-issues did really well. Plus a customer said that i was the only one that had a decent selection of Harley Quinn in the immediate area….weird. Also some guy bought 30 copies of Reborn #1….thanks.

>>88342611

>The overall November sales charts are telling a different story than what we’re seeing in my store, here at FFF. Including the extra free copies that Marvel is sending to stores (thanks Marvel!), to level off the giant dips from first issue sales to actually ordering closer to what we’re selling for the second issues and beyond, Marvel is shipping more books to stores, but I’m not sure how many of these are actually selling to fans. Over here, it’s a really low number on most of the Marvel books. Even the books I’m really enjoying like Jessica Jones, Great Lakes Avengers and others haven’t really caught with our regulars. And there are almost no new customers to speak of, with this first exception so far that just happened: A new mid teenage girl finally came in to buy Champions 1 and 2 this week, (and Future Quest 3), but I believe that’s the first new customer we’ve seen coming in asking about a Marvel Now book since the relaunches started, and our average week sees over 600 transactions. We see dozens of new faces every day, but rarely do they specifically come in asking for a Marvel or DC book (past the first few months of DC Rebirth, where it was tons of new people, many are now regulars, with or without folders). We do have new people wander in, or looking for Walking Dead and even indy stuff that was recommended by a friend, or something they saw on our Facebook, but Marvel isn’t bringing in a lot of new fans so far this year.

>>88342620

>Our store’s weekly Top 10 is 7 DC, 2 Marvel and 1 Image, looking like this: Batman, JL, Superman, Walking Dead, GLs, Clone Conspiracy, Nightwing, GA, HQ, and Aphra. Just factoring in sales from the first few days of sales, my top 10 alone, I’m selling 5.36 DC books for every Marvel book (just in my top 10). Factoring in all my top 20, which is more fair and closer to reality, we’re still looking at selling 2.15 DC for every Marvel book. Going deeper down the rabbit hole with all Marvel vs all DC in the first few days of sales so far since Wednesday, it goes back up to 2.61 DC books to every Marvel book sold in just the first few days of sales. Every store is different, but this is pretty consistent with what we’ve seen the last few months. Once the rest of Marvel’s number ones fade away in the next month or two, I think the overall sales charts will be a little closer to 38% for both of the big two in the near future.

>Batman Annual and Han Solo 5 were strong enough to reach my top 20 on their second week of release at spots 16 and 20.

>Dr Aphra is doing okay, but not amazing so far. Hopefully Rogue One next week will give it a bigger boost, Champions isn’t the breakout hit that Marvel wants it to be, and it’s tied with Death of Hawkman in our store, which is a pretty low level DC book, both in our 17th bestselling spot so far this week.

>>88342611
>Also some guy bought 30 copies of Reborn #1….thanks
......

>>88342620

>I do see other comic stores talking about how rough they’re doing this year, but if they keep spending money chasing stupid variants, first issues no one wants, and other nonsense, then I don’t think they’ll recover, and that sucks. I want the industry to succeed, and I don’t want to see stores closing. Maybe they’re backing the wrong horse. We’re having our best year yet in our 23 year history, and we’re up about 10% over last year, with most of the holiday shopping season still to go. Doing this weekly sales list for Bleeding Cool shows what people are really excited about in our store that they race in to grab in the first few days, and it’s really helped to refine my ordering a bit. Between this and weekly Final Order Cutoff (FOC) numbers through our point of sale system, there were some definite surprises on what we thought we would sell more of than we did. I’m super thankful for FOC and the ability to cut titles that are losing customers all the time. As long as you’re supporting the books you’re enjoying and not just buying books out of habit, you’re doing your part to shape a better industry. Let’s hope we see Marvel focus more soon, with less books, better books (and cheaper books) to help the industry regain focus.

>We sold several Saga back issues to a customer who dove into the TPBs and wants to fill in the single issues for his collection. We have Saga 13 and up still at cover price, so he hasn’t dove into the expensive ones yet. We are still moving Walking Dead back issues fairly well and keep selling any Negan or Lucille merchandise we can get pretty quickly. People love to hate that character.

>>88342649

>We’re still selling okay on Fantastic Four, Punisher, Batman, Superman and Nightwing back issues lately. Some older Harley Quinn issues have been moving as well. We still sell an occasional Sonic The Hedgehog, although it’s slowed a lot, and had a kid super happy to leave with a Giant Sized Little Marvel AVX issues today, one of their most fun books in years.

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> 1. Batman #12
> 2. Justice League #10
> 3. Superman #12
> 8. Nightwing #10
> 9. Harley Quinn #9
> 10. Green Lanterns #12

Obligatory

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>>88342577
>9. Harley Quinn #9

Noooooo

>>88342620
>A new mid teenage girl finally came in to buy Champions 1 and 2 this week, (and Future Quest 3)
>Future Quest 3
hey people still buy that book.

>>88342565
>the most popular character created by big 2 this decade.
Wouldn't that be Kamala? And Damian isn't a new character.

>>88342673
I missed you seanpai because haven't visited /co/ in a while. See you tomorrow in top 300 thread.

>>88342565
Damian was created 2006 you doofus. If we're talking this decade it would be post-2010.

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>>88342750
Not me, I just did it because I wanted to post Didio

>>88342741
>Wouldn't that be Kamala?
Who knows? Damian sells a fuck ton in merchandize and he's shilled like hell in animation. Apparently he's going to be in next Aekham game.

>>88342785
It's sells because Robin is popular, not because of Damian. This kid has more haters than fans.

>>88342847
>It's sells because Robin is popular
That's a retarded thing to say. Just because it's Robin doesn't discredit character's popularity.
>This kid has more haters than fans.
Oh OK so you're a retard then. Vocal minority =/= majority that matters.

>>88340799
> 6. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN RENEW YOUR VOWS #1 (MAR)
>> 28. CLONE CONSPIRACY #2 (MAR)
SLOTT ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>88342948
>Robin doesn't discredit character's popularity
It's does because the mantle is popular and Damian isn't.

DC has pushing Damian for a while now and the only thing they succeeding in is making people hate him even more.

>>88342948
>Vocal minority
Are you new or something? Damian is literally hated everywhere and his fans are the vocal minority.

>>88343023
I want Slott to get btfo too, but you got to remember it's the first issue.

>>88343045
Timfrag pls.

>>88342948
Damian is literal poison, all the books he appears in drop in sales

>>88343033
>It's does because the mantle is popular and Damian isn't.
ESL kun please. That's not how popularity works. Doesn't matter how many people like him, hate or by whichever means came to know him, what matters is they've heard of him. And no, people don't fucking waste hundreds of dollars on statues because they like the mantle and not the character, otherwise they'd buy different statues or merchandize of same brand.
>>88343045
t. butthurt Timfag.

>>88343098
Source? Batman and Robin was the second consistent high seller of new 52.

>>88343137
second highest consistent Bat book.

>>88343137
And the Batman solo sold better because no Damian was in it

>>88343169
The Batman Solo sold better because it was the Batman Solo you idiot.

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>>88343169

>>88343175
>Batman and Robin
>remove Robin
>it does better

YEP NO CORRELATION HERE
JUST A COINCIDENCE

@8343214
(You)
;^)

>>88343236
Just admit you are wrong, Damian was also barely in that run, he was dead for most of it and Robin Son of Batman didn't sell that good either

>>88343128
>And no, people don't fucking waste hundreds of dollars on statues because they like the mantle
How new are you? You can literally make a status of Dick as Batman and they will not know the difference and still buy it just because they like Batman.

Damian is more well known because DC is pushing him, but he's definitely well loved and many still can't stand him.

>>88343137
>Batman and Robin
This book was mostly Batman on his own because Damian was died.

>>88343290
*He's definitely not

>>88343214
>Main Batman Title
>Secondary Batman Title
Robin is also not in Detective Comics and Legends of The Dark Knight alongside the Dark Knight. Why weren't those selling gangbusters?

>>88343308
>Batman and Two-Face
My favorite Batman team-ups, desu.

>>88341180
Well Superman's ongoing is really damn good right now, and Spider-Man's is trash. Quality isn't the deciding factor of sales, but it is a part of it

>>88340799
Is Selina Catwoman again or are they still doing that retarded "retired to head a crime family while some asian chick with lesbo-fatuation fills my role" shit?

>>88343450
She's Catwoman, one girl war on terror.

>>88343450
>Is Selina Catwoman again or are they still doing that retarded "retired to head a crime family while some asian chick with lesbo-fatuation fills my role" shit?
No, but also fuck you. that shit was GOAT.

>>88343450
>or are they still doing that retarded "retired to head a crime family while some asian chick with lesbo-fatuation fills my role" shit?
That was the best Catwoman run since Brubaker. You sound like the autists who hated Grayson simply because he wasn't wearing a Nightwing costume.

>>88343501
>>88343528
go make new characters instead of raping existing ones

>>88343528
Gray's fine, but Catwoman? I have a problem with that role having stand-ins, ok?? That fucking Halle Berry movie damaged me...

>>88343538
Through your logic there is no character has not been raped.

>>88343538
>Having a character do anything other than the same thing they've been doing is raping them

So Dick becoming Nightwing was raping him
Catwoman becoming a pseudo-hero was raping her
Riddler becoming a PI was raping him

Look at all the terrible ideas you have, anon.

>>88343720
Yes to all of them
Especially since to push Nightwing they have been shitting on Batman constantly

>>88343756
>they have been shitting on Batman constantly
In what universe has batman ever been shat on?

>>88343756
So you're so dug in you're going to literally start arguing that Dick should have never stopped being Robin? That no character should ever go through any sort of noticeable change?

>>88343756
Let's see. Superman getting all those additional powers from his various incarnations was raping him. Batman losing guns was raping him. Wonder Woman not being into bondage was raping her. Green Lantern no longer being weak to yellow was raping him. Give me an example of character that has not been raped you mongoloid.

>>88343815
>Wonder Woman not being into bondage was raping her
heh

>>88340877
>>88341165
Ewing has long-term plans for Sunspot and Blue Marvel, he shouldn't go anywhere.

>>88343756
What reality do you live in?

>>88343813
>>88343796
Tim had his change into a hero without needing to shit on Batman constantly
Jason death and return offered a way to both characters to grow
Cass became a member highlighting a nice side of Bruce
Damian became a member of the family in a positive way

Nightwing is the only one that needs Batman to be a monster that fired him because he was hanging around with the Titans to exist and that is the always nice one of the family

Also Batman is constantly made fun of by the rest of the family, do you guys even read comics?

>>88340799
>champions at #47

some flagship book, huh?

>>88343980
>Batman is constantly made fun of by the rest of the family
What the fuck kind of persecution complex is this?

>>88343980
So you're actually pissed because Batman isn't Mary Sue *enough*? Wow.

>>88344038
No? If that was the case I would hate Jason too but I don't because it's a fine story incorporated in a good way.

It's not just Dixon writing Batman like a retard who would get pissed that Dick was saving the planet with the other Titans

>>88344027
Alfred always makes fun of him
"You are acting like Bruce" is the most common insult in the bat-family
During the Oracle era she was calling him out constantly, even Steph called him out.
Morrison was the only one that wrote the batfamily as a family instead of a bunch of asshole ganging up on eachother.

>>88343980
>do you guys even read comics
Do you?
Batman being an asshole and firing Dick was retconned in to drive Batman storylines.

The Titans group wrote Dick leaving the cave pre-crisis as an amicable split. He still hung around the cave, they were still family.
The Batman group rewrote Dick leaving the cave post-crisis as this acrimonious freak-out by Bruce and kept Dick out of the Batman books for about a decade.

You're literally trying to rewrite history.

>>88341180
The Spider-Man everybody actually wants is doing well, with RYV beating out the Superdad books. Slott's crap is'nt Spider-Man

>>88344159
>Implying it's not gonna slide down to below Superdad levels.
Just you wait :^)

>>88344098
>Alfred always makes fun of him
You say this like Alfred is doing it in some sort of malicious or serious way.

Batman is really serious a lot of the time and acts as the stern father figure for the rest of the family. It makes complete sense that they would view him through that lens and as "mr no fun."

>>88342741
Kamala's popularity is wildly exaggerated. Damian blows her out of the water and I don't even like the little shit

>>88343756
>Nightwing they have been shitting on Batman constantly
Oh you're THAT anon.

>>88340928
>drop

Champions dropped over 40 positions in one month. Other than CW2 the only thing Marvel is moving is #1s, and if you'd been paying attention you'd have seen that Marvel is giving them out by the hundreds. They're sending people double or more of the books they order just so they can write it off as a sale.

Everyone in the industry knows that Marvel can't compete in producing quality comics, so they're struggling to inflate their numbers to look like they aren't dying.

Because like it or not, that's what is happening here. Marvel is dying, just like the last couple of times they've gone bankrupt. Only this time they can't sell off anything, so they'll just get dissolved into Disney at large.

>>88344182
It's Spider-Man, it has the ASM title in it, and it's got the marriage...which was always more interesting and popular than the Super-marriage (I say that as a Supes fan), just wait, it'll do fine.

>>88340877
>This seems good, but then aren't they doubling all the orders for this one by matching the #1 orders?
Yes

>For what reason?
One of Axel Alonso's pet projects

>>88340992
>That would put it roughly at between 40k - 50k, right? That the drop-off from the seriously inflated by scummy tactics #1 sales would be huge was a certainty but I thought it would at least stay in the 100k range for #2.
Don't forget the bigger fall for the second Doctor Strange book.

>Poor Ewing. First the book got fucked by CW2 and then the relaunch is off to a shitty start.
Post yfw that book is cancelled before all of the things teased for next year are implemented.

>>88341022
>ANAD
You mean NOW 2.0.

>Who wants to bet none of these will be in top 100 next month?
ftfy

>Remember when this used to be in top 10 consistently?
The usual suspects (Batman, #1's, events) are mostly to blame.

If Champions dropped that much I can only imagine how the number 2s of books they haven't shilled to hell and back as "flagship" titles are going to drop.

>>88344273
but it's not the main title.

>>88342144
Toning it down isnt the same as phoning it in. For once king has more than 12 issues to tell a story so it can be slow and subdued

>>88344343
And yet it's done far better than the main title. Just as it did last year when it WAS the main title

Most of the reviews have praised it, calling this Peter and MJ the "real" ones, Slott even hinted the RYV universe was linked to 616 in the main book, combine that with some of the OMD reversal hints this summer and you can tell they want this to be viewed as being just as important as the main book

But go on, keep doomcasting.

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>>88340799
>Titans and Flash are still doing well

Wally is about to get a book!

>>88343980
>Tim had his change into a hero without needing to shit on Batman constantly

TIm becoming Robin was literally because "Batman needs Robin to not be insane"

>Jason death and return offered a way to both characters to grow

Jason's entire character arc is "daddy why did you let me get beaten with a crowbar"

>Damian became a member of the family in a positive way

You mean the son that Bruce ignored, was mentored by Dick into becoming a good person, and that Bruce is still continuing to ignore?

>>88344383
He better not. If they take the storyline for Wally's return and move it into a Wally solo, there goes the only reason to keep Titans going.

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>>88340799
>DC still trying to make Titans/Teen Titans work

>>88344027
>>88344038
>>88344134
>>88344473
Why are you idiots taking his god damn bait? This anon is in every thread with Dick whinning about Bruce. He's probably an anon that got pissed off about people constantly calling Bruce and Mary Sue and decided to try and push the blame onto someone else.

>>88344473
>, was mentored by Dick into becoming a good person

Irrelevant since they did that arc again in Batman and Robin with Bruce and Damian.
Sorry Dickfag, you can always spam the internet with le real father figure meme anyway even if it's not true

>>88344535
but dick is the only mary sue

>>88344474
They can keep the mystery in Titans while making the solo about his struggles to fit into world and respark his relationship with Linda and stuff. I wouldn't even mind if they go SoL about it.

>>88344490
Titans is working considering DC wasn't even expecting it to sell at all. Teen Titans on the other hand....

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>>88344556
Yeah I forgot about the reputation Dick got for being able to beat anyone because of sheer badassness.


Hold up that's Bruce.

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>>88344383
If Wally gets a book or even a mini-series, I would be so elated.

But what would Wally even call himself? Flash and Kid Flash are kinda taken and the last time he had a public identity... well...

>>88344756
Scarlet Speedster

>>88344739
I love that Dickfans can only try to deflect criticism to other characters.

Also that's not what a mary sue is, but nice try.

>>88344756
That's a really fuckin weird pose that Zoom has going there. It looks like a high school artist's work before they ever took any model drawing classes.

>>88344473
>Jason's entire character arc is "daddy why did you let me get beaten with a crowbar"
What does that have to do with making Batman sucks?

>>88340799
Oh man those Harley Quinn sales
Extra flash books when?

>>88340799
When do the actual sales numbers come out? Monday?

>>88344535
I'm not him, but he does actually have a point.

>>88344783
>Also that's not what a mary sue is, but nice try.
>Being better than everyone else at everything despite it not making any sense isn't what a mary sue is

Let me guess. You vicariously live through him and get pissed when people tell you your fantasies are bullshit. Probably jerk it to issues where he takes out the Justice League or beats up Supes.

>>88344783
that's literally all you're doing in this thread

>>88344739
remind me which character just got an issue with the entire multiverse coming and compliment him for how amazing he is and how nice and special he is to a point that is NICENESS is a multiversal constant

it wasn't tim
it wasn't jason
it wasn't bruce
it wasn't barbara
it wasn't damian
etc.

>>88344839
No he doesn't.

>>88344564
TT ads EVERYWHERE, full fucking pages. Meanwhile Titans is shoved off into a corner to be forgotten. I'd say Titans is doing pretty well all things considered.

>>88344756
> The Flash: Scarlet Speedster

boom you have a title! It's like Captain America: Sam Wilson and Captain America: Steve Rogers books, it can be done.

>>88344899
Brett Booth even admitted they weren't expecting a huge success like this. I hope they push Titans more in 2017.

>>88341935
Tim Drake anal rape fanboys.

>>88342091
>op lel, the issue where Tim "died" sold less than the previous one.
Tim sucks.

>>88344882
No, he actually does. I didn't mind Dick when I started reading comics, but the more I read about him the more it becomes clear that he such a Mary Sue.

Dick is the less interesting robin and I say it as someone who really dislike Tim more than him.

>>88344874
1. Frank Miller had Dick as a pschyopathic, homosexual serial killer in the sequel to one of the biggest Batman comics of all time.

2. The fact that you put an offhand comment about Dick being a good person in the same category as Bruce having the strongest jobber aura in comics shows how desperate you truly are. Yes Bruce is a dark angsty Mary Sue.

>>88344861
But you are the one getting worked up and throwing baseless assumptions about people because someone criticized your precious character.

And if you actually read comics other than Nightwing you would know that Batman isn't better than everyone else.

>>88342847
That is Tim.Tim as more haters than fans.

>>88343045
Timfag cancer.

>>88344994
>>an offhand comment

Having to lie to push your point, how desperate are you fanboys. Also keep going accusing me of being a Bruce fanboy for no reason at all. I can literally use any other member of the bat-family and the result wouldn't change.

>>88343098
You may be thinking that Justin Bieber fans are insane.But Timfags--- are Fan's You Won't Believe Exist.

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>>88344959
If TT is tripping out of the gate like it is, one can hope. Especially considering that it's the main book pursuing the whole Rebirth storyline.

>>88344788
For such an event he could have put 10 more seconds of effort into it, yeah.

>>88345000
Does Tim have haters? I feel like most people are kind of just ambivalent to him. He's so inoffensive there's not really anything to hate.

>>88343169
taking a look at the brains of Tim fan boys fans. .

>>88345044
Oh good Damifag's here. Now the shitposting can get even better.

>>88345000
I don't follow Batman and robin(s) too much. What's with the Tim hate? Genuinely curious.

>>88343918
>long-term plans for Sunspot and Blue Marvel
hahahaha
implying anyone but him cares

>>88345052
If Hunter comes back, would he have open cowl like Wally does?

> yfw he taunts wally about losing everything after flashpoint

>>88343169
These Crazy Acts Of Devotion Prove Tim Fans Are F*cking Mental.his is not about "love", these are just pathetic souls with no purpose or goal in life who feel deprived of true emotions, so they direct all their feelings toward a false idol in the shape of Tumbr douchebag.

>>88341053
Yeah I'm not surprised it's that low for all the reasons you said. I thought about picking it up, but when it's only 3 issues why bother when I can just wait for the trade?

>>88344996
>Batman isn't better than everyone else.

We just had one storyline where one of Bruce's enemies took out the Justice League alone. Then we had another storyline where Bruce took out the Justice League and the writer even went so far as to say that all the characters involved were at tip top shape and in no way hampered in their combat ability. There's a reason why people ask if Bruce is a mary sue and they have threads here and on CBR accusing the character of writer favoritism.

>>88345087
Just ignore her and she'll stop.

>>88343169
despair. Truly despair at the utter crass stupidity that those timfags people have whirling around inside their skulls. They must be horrifically dark, chaotic places.

>>88344996
>But you are the one getting worked up and throwing baseless assumptions about people because someone criticized your precious character.

My man do you even see all the comments with that anon going on and on accusing people of shit. Are you retarded?

>>88345150
Average age of so called fans is 50 +. years

>>88345167
Oh my god... The obsession of some of these Drake fanboys is reaching dangerous levels.Fanatics like these are to hillarious.

>>88344342
Champions dropped because nobody was into it you dunce. It was always a bomb, it was just propped up by the scholastic orders last month

>>88344363
It did better than the main title because it was a #1 issue.

>>88345182
LOL these girls are so dumb.

>>88345115
>"Aaaaarrrreeeee youabetterheronowWally?"

Hunter also has reddish hair so he can pull off the Eobard-Barry look with Wally. Like poetry.

>>88341151
what are you talking about Superman is outselling Spider-Man during an event, that's fucking unheard of.

>>88345150
Agreed. This made my stomach turn.

>>88345150
.were David Cassidy or Beatles fans this crazy?

>>88345182
That's Damifag, not a Drake fanboy. She accuses anyone of liking other Robins as being old and gross because she's 13.

>Robin fans going postal
>Everyone else just going about their business.

Just another day on /co/.

>>88345317
James pls.
OH GOSH
We need to teach youg girls NOT to be focused on men for that reason.Timfags .

>>88345344
Is English your 9th language or something? 13 is old enough that you should have gone to elementary by now.

>>88345128
So Batman and Dick are both terribly written characters.

One is a mary sue because he wins some fights the other is a mary sue because literally everyone loves him even if they met him a single time.

>>88345373
Timfags Stalking Little Girls .

>>88345343
This thread went postal from Tim fans to Damian fans to Dick fans and finally have Damifan making her appearance.

It's ended another day in /co/.

>this thread
I can't even keep up with the shitposting. Batfags man.

>>88340801
>79. RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #4 (DC)
Aww that kinda sucks. Lobdell actually writes something readable for once and it goes back to the RHatO New 52 sales level within 4 issues.

And I take it Cyborg won't be double shipping for much longer, Aquaman might be getting to that level too.

>>88345373
If I had kid that was a fan of Tim Drake I would give them up for adoption.

>>88345418
>making her
>her
>Implying

>>88345429
I believe Cyborg is shipping monthly starting January.

>>88345442
Timfags this is scary as fuck. I mean and I thought I had a crazy obsession with Tom Hiddleston but these people are just psychotic.

>>88340799
So is this sales from retailers or number of issues shipped by Diamond to retailers?

>>88345409
That's not even a sentence

>>88345442
She's stated multiple times that she has a crush on Damian but it's ok because they're the same age, and that we're all gross old people for talking to a girl (see >>88345409)

>>88345463
Makes sense. It always seemed like a pipe dream on DC's part that the book would keep the numbers for a bi weekly.

>>88345480
>She's stated multiple times that she has a crush on Damian but it's ok because they're the same age, and that we're all gross old people for talking to a girl (see >>88345409 (You))
you stated multiple times that you has a crush on Tim and are 45.

>>88345467
>number of issues shipped by Diamond to retailers?
This one

>>88345429
It's expected because the double shipping are hurting the monthly books.

Though, it's still not bad and it's doing well enough.

>>88341813
Cross-promotion goes one way. They'll put adds for new movies on the fucking covers of comics but won't even slip a line about how you can read more stories of these characters in the end credits.

>>88345555
Do you think that all the people on this board who think you're an idiot are the same person?

Also
>A are a PAEDOPHILE
>A are a
A isn't anywhere close to U on the keyboard. How the fuck did you even make that mistake?

>>88345537
>Though, it's still not bad and it's doing well enough
Yeah, RHATO isn't doing bad. It's NSM that I'm worried about.

>>88345578
>>>88345555
>Do you think that all the people on this board who think you're an idiot are the same person?
it is .

>>88345601
You realize that would be literally impossible due to timestamps, right?

It is pretty entertaining that you think there's someone on /co/ whose sole purpose is to antagonize you for two years, though.

>>88345578
Outside_85
I was like 5 and my mom bought me a Drake figure and i..... Flushed the down the toilet.......

>>88345620
Outside_85 pls.you're all so bitter lmao Jesus Christ

>>88345600
Superman line in general isn't doing well. Supergirl look like it will fall harder in the upcoming months.

BB and Cyborg are another story.

>>88345642
All of Tims CBR fans are insane.

>>88344252

Diamond doesn't count free copies as copies sold and they also don't show up in market share. Their numbers are based on copies ordered by retailers.

>>88345627
>>88345642
>>88345662
>>88345692
You can stop replying to yourself and the same post multiple times. Your bizarre writing style makes it really obvious your samefagging. I don't go to CBR because it's a garbage site, but you clearly need to work some shit out.

>>88341038
No I mean Kenan Kong's book

>>88345627
>>88345642
>>88345662
Isn't Outside_85 a Jasonfag

Also why are you fags discussing him on /co/?

>>88345725
Timfag.

>>88345718
no one cares though Tim sucks.

>>88345810
>the IP address shown is your router one Person .
>it is you Outside_85
I don't even know where to begin with that one.

>>88345834
>I don't even know where to begin with that one.
that kid is smart!

>>88345643
I'm pretty underwhelmed by Supergirl to be honest. I quite liked her New 52 book

>>88345718
I feel like 90 percent of TD fans will be virgins for life

>>88345537
>It's expected because the double shipping are hurting the monthly books.
How long DC is planning to continue with the double shipping anyway? Because they are also hurting some of the ds books.

>>88345918
Didio said the double shipping will continue until 2018, but some of them will become monthly next year like Cyborg.

>>88345918
I'll expect them to maintain it indefinetly for the books that look like it isn't hurting them so at a glance that's,
>Batman
>Detective
>Superman
>Nightwing
>Harley Quinn

Everything else looks like it's declining to fast for it to be worthwhile.

>>88345718
Grow up and stop calling people haters just because they don't like a character you like you pathetic Timmy fangirl.

>>88346079
>Nightwing
It's declining actually.

Batman, Tec, JL, Flash and maybe Superman and WW will probably maintain it.

>>88346161
Nightwing tends to settle around the middle of the table if I'm remembering right, and I'd say Dick has enough dedicated comic fans to keep it there. Though I can see it being the lower selling of the double ships.

>>88341020
But art DCfags climbing the walls with anger over Tom King's Batman? It's at the #1 and #2 spots, while the other less talented Batman writer is below the abortion know as Bendis War 2.

>>88346231
it is Batman It will always sell.

>>88346161
>34. HARLEY QUINN #7 (DC)
> 35. NIGHTWING #8 (DC)
> 36. THANOS #1 (MAR)
> 37. HARLEY QUINN #8 (DC)
> 38. DEATH OF X #3 (MAR)
> 39. NIGHTWING #9 (DC)
> 40. TEEN TITANS #2 (DC)
> 41. TITANS #5 (DC)
> 42. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL #1 (MAR)
Yeah, I think these books are 50k and less.

>>88346137
I don't even really care about Tim. As Robin he's always just been kind of there. I don't hate him because he threatens my husbando like Damifag does, nor is he at all my favorite Robin. I just find Damifag's ramblings bizarre.

>>88346231
Why would they the Batman book always sells better than the side books, in early 52 Snyder outsold the end of Batman INC that way.

>>88346276
Point is that the 'worst' of the two current ongoings is beating out the 'good' one, I find that to be halarious.

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> 47. CHAMPIONS #2 (MAR)
It's the small things that bring me joy

>>88346341
To be fair, Batman Inc Vol 2 is pretty much the opposite of newcomer friendly, which is exactly what the New 52 push was about.

>>88346325
Seriously. I can't stand Tim either. And his utterly deranged fangirls are even worse than he is.

>>88346313
How much did Harley do last month?

>>88346401
Yeah that's not what I said. In fact you were just calling me some guy from CBR who loves Tim.

>>88346413
>37 Harley Quinn 5* 62,943
>41 Harley Quinn 6* 58,827

>>88346413
>Harley Quinn #5* (DC) - 62,943

>>88346413
Harley Quinn #5 62,943
Harley Quinn #6 58,827

>>88345718
Dude, you're hilarious! Tim is a little bitch ass faggot. Fucken psycho ass beaver fans, get help.

>>88343137

Batman was in the title and book. You could make a "Batman and a Hobo" and it would sell well.

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>>88345766
>>88345810
>>88345905
>>88346137
>>88346464

>replying to the same post 5 times

>>88346442
>>88346445
>>88346460
Thanks. I guess these books will indeed around 50k.

>>88343815

>Wonder Woman not being into bondage was raping her.

It kinda is? Wonder Woman became a inconsistent mess because of it.

>>88344134

That's because Chuck Dixon era would constantly take things from the DCAU cartoons.

>>88346548
All the B-listers books are around 50k to 30k which isn't bad, but unfortunately not above N52 numbers.

>>88342706

I really wanted to like it but Shaner can't keep up.

>>88340799
>top 50
>DC had 27 titles
>Marvel had 21 titles
>Image had 1 title (Walking Dead #160)
>IDW had 1 title (Batman TMNT Adventures #1)

>diamond will never stop being slaves to the big two
>the big two will never stop being slaves to diamond
>LCSes are caught in the middle of a shitty three way mexican stand off
One of the three need to fall.

>>88341180
Too many spin offs
Too much Slott
A bigger push for Miles
Mediocre art

>>88346829
LCS are a stupid idea in the first place. There's no reason that comics should be quarantined off from every other book, especially with the technology available. Do you realize how popular a weekly delivery service from Amazon or something would be dedicated to comics? Or Hell, just put them with the rest of the magazines at stores.

>>88346829
The LCS needs to fall.

>>88340992
>That would put it roughly at between 40k - 50k, right?

Yeah. It's being beaten by one issue of Action Comics, which was estimated at 53,000 copies last month.

To keep things in perspective this is the chart for Bendis' Invincible Iron Man (for All-New All-Different Marvel), which was also promoted as the flagship title last year:

10/15 Invincible Iron Man #1 - 279,514
10/15 Invincible Iron Man #2 - 66,664 (-76.2%)
11/15 Invincible Iron Man #3 - 59,069 (-11.4%)
12/15 Invincible Iron Man #4 - 57,639 (- 2.4%)
01/16 Invincible Iron Man #5 - 49,225 (-14.6%)
02/16 Invincible Iron Man #6 - 63,234 (+28.5%)

>>88346881
>>88346938

>I don't know how an LCS works
>I don't know other ways comics are already being sold outside the LCS

Seriously, stop

>>88342545
Nice strawman faggot. Big names give books a boost. Superdad is outselling Superbro not thanks to a big name but because it's good. Stay mad faggot.

>>88346829
Do Comics companies only use Diamond as a source on how much their books sells and which book they decide to cancel? Or are there another factors to be considered?

>>88346881
>Do you realize how popular a weekly delivery service from Amazon or something would be dedicated to comics?
they wouldn't do it from amazon because then they'd get less money lol

>Or Hell, just put them with the rest of the magazines at stores.
every time
stores do not want them because they are not returnable
also people do not buy them so they wouldn't buy a bunch anyway
also they're being sold in places other than LCSes anyway
they just don't sell because comics are niche

>>88347112
It's the most important one but they do seem to be stressing bookstore sales and trade sales in general more now.

>>88347112
They use other factors.

Bookscan charts tell them how well a TPB sells in the bookstore market (Barnes and Noble, Amazon, etc).

And I'm pretty sure there's one that tells them how well monthly comic sales are doing in non-comic shops (as in newsstands, bookstores and stuff)

And then there's also digital, via Comixology/Amazon.

>>88346579
>That's because Chuck Dixon era would constantly take things from the DCAU cartoons.
Chuck Dixon didn't write the retcon where Bruce kicked Dick out of the batcave. Max Collins and Denny O'Neil wrote hypocrite Bruce who fired Dick and hired Jason in the same issue back in '87. The DCAU took the Max Collins arc and made Batman into an even bigger jerk for the cartoon. Then Dixon tried to fix all of it in the early 00's and integrate it w/ what he'd done over the last decade w/ the batbooks.

Read more comics.

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>>88347323
>Chuck Dixon didn't write the retcon where Bruce kicked Dick out of the batcave
he was a part of nightwing year one

>>88344756
Fuck did he just do? Reveal the Nintendo Power Glove, and it was so rad it shockwaved everything around him?

>>88344307
>Don't forget the bigger fall for the second Doctor Strange book.

Oh shit, that's right.

>>88340801
>99. DOCTOR STRANGE SORCERERS SUPREME #2 (MAR)

Last month it was at #3 with Comichron estimating it at 149,710 copies.

Since Superwoman #3 was estimated to be 36,867 last month and Superwoman #4 beat out Sorcerers Supreme #2, It's possible Sorcerers Supreme is in the mid/low 30,000's.

Guess most of the sales on the first issue really were for that Funko box.

>>88347627
>Guess most of the sales on the first issue really were for that Funko box.
The movie came out the same month as the #1 so it's mostly LCSes over ordering it

>Still thinking these Marvel #1s won't drop stone cold next month
It happened with Champions, it happened with Dr Strange. And seeing as we already have confirmation that Marvel's matching orders for IvX, it's actually tracking much lower than that.

>>88347627

That means that Sorcerers Supreme will be in cancellation territory by #6 more likely than not, won't it?

On the flipside, if Superwoman settles around the mid 30ks it might get a decent run which would be nice. Worried for New Super-Man, though.

>>88348465
>implying they won't just roll out another batch of #1s as soon as sales start to drop.

>>88348465

Marvel seems to be having some real trouble getting even their b/a-lister titles to at least settle at acceptable sales numbers rather than continuing to fall. Pity that some of the decent titles like Ultimates 2 and Foolkiller are DOA.

>>88340799
I just came into this thread to laugh at anti-Kingfags.

Suck my dick fags based King is taking over the industry.

>>88348260
I think it's a combination the movie, the Funko box, and the variants.

But I think if it had been just the movie though, there wouldn't have been such a vast drop between 1 and 2.

>>88348642
>Batman is the best selling comic.

Yeah I'm shocked

>>88348672
It didn't used to be. Go look up sales on Batman during Brubaker's run.

>>88347627
>3. DOCTOR STRANGE SORCERERS SUPREME #1(MAR)
>99. DOCTOR STRANGE SORCERERS SUPREME #2 (MAR)
That's such a big fall, my God.

>>88348260
Why the heck they keep doing that?

>>88348680
King isn't the reason why Batman is selling big.

DC can literally replace him in the next issue and there will be hardly any change in sells.

>>88348736
>King isn't the reason why Batman is selling big.

If that's true then Batman would've been on top back in 2011 before Snyder came on board. It wasn't. King may not be the only factor but he's likely one of the factors.

>>88348682
Incentive Variants, bigger stores can afford to over order so they can get those sweet rare collectible variants and flip them online, also Marvel offers discounts and specialty packages (Like postcards and calendars and stickers) when stores order to a certain amount.

>>88348736
Kek name the last run to sell back issues as the #2 spot

>>88348818
It's actually thanks to n52 reboot and Snyder's run that Batman become a top sellers. Many if not most are buying Batman out of habit and because it's Batman.

>>88348886
>Doesn’t understand how double shipping works

>>88348680
It's been that way since Morrison and as much as /co/ would hate to admit it, Snyder kept it going

>>88341125
doesn't hurt that its like $7

>>88349024
Snyder and Capullo especially boosted it.

I almost want to say that it's been that way when Judd Winick was on the title and sort of tied-in to Infinite Crisis. Morrison really kept the momentum going.

But what people forget was that in 2011, Pre-New 52 a lot of stuff did not sell that well. DC's highest selling titles were Green Lantern and Batman, and even the Bat-titles were around 60,000 or less, not like the 90,000-100,000 range that Snyder/Capullo did. Time will tell if King's run will maintain the sales level or not.

>>88345684
Wrong.

>>88349240
>Time will tell if King's run will maintain the sales level or not
Yeah it's still too early to tell, but we will see how King will do.

>>88340799
It's M̶a̶r̶v̶e̶l̶Batman's world, we're just living in it

>>88340799
>Marvel only have 3 titles in the top 50 that aren't either event books, number #1's or Star Wars
>DC have 24 out of the top 50 that aren't number #'1's or event books
Holy shit that's an absolute shellacking.

DC's Rebirth titles are holding amazingly well, which backs up what we've been hearing from actual retailers. Whereas outside of Star Wars, events and #1's Marvel are selling like shit, which backs up what we've been hearing from actual retailers.

No wonder Marvel relaunch and have constant events, it's the only way their books sell at the moment.