Who is considered his equal.

>>88326710
Honestly, Spidey's in a weird position of being (power-wise) right smack dab in the middle of street-level and "big-time super hero" (as his Ultimate incarnation put it).

>>88328646
You can say the same thing about Batman as in position of being in the middle

>>88328874
Batman hasnt been in the middle in a long time. Hes taking down the league and fighting darkside, thats not middle tier.

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>>88329137
That's the thing through. I feel like Peter could do laps around the super medium weights (save for Surfer), but once he moves up a row he gets fucked.

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>So who could be considered his equal in a fight?
The problem is that he's a multi talented hero. He has S tier agility, B+ tier strength, and A+ tier intelligence, so even if someone could match him in one attribute, he'd obviously be able to counter them with another strategy.

You need someone fast enough to hit him, strong enough to do damage to him and smart enough or just outright broken enough to not get hard countered by science if they can do both of the former. And there isn't anyone like that that isn't just completely blowing him the fuck out.

Basically you're either going to end up with too strong like Hulk, too smart like Reed, or...I'm not actually sure Marvel has a speedster fast enough to hard counter Spidey. Spot wrecked his shit once by being in multiple places at once though, but he had the added advantage of being able to redirect Spidey's own attacks to get through his spider sense.

My best guess would be Iron Man since it'd basically come down to slight edge in science and heavy edge in strength vs heavy edge in agility and precognition. Have Spidey and Iron-man ever been serious against each other without obvious jobbing?

>>88329502
From what I recall Tony Vs Peter consisted of Tony getting wrecked until Civil War when advancing RL technology as his powercreep, several months of backstabbery via taking his biometrics, and sudden popularity power gave him enough of an edge to be a threat and get a draw.
Anytime before the 2000s would have (literally because this has actually happened) consisted of Peter outright ripping the suit to shreds.
I can't even get a bead on what Tony's general modern power level is at now since almost everyone that has written him has been a complete buffoon for 20 years and his antivirus software is shit.

>>88326710
Iron Fist

>>88329344
This is pure lifting and strength capacity it's showing.
And in fact in his own weight class there's guys like Colossus who at that point could lift over seven times what Pete could in addition to being completely bulletproof, so there's a LOT of leeway there.

Batman may be the man amongst the gods when it comes to the Justiice League, but there is none more alpha.

>>88329502
The best way to beat him is get him in relatively close quarters and have him fight someone near or superior to his strength; this happens repeatedly in his his comics.
If you give him room to move he WILL jump circles around you and he WILL be faster then you can handle, but get close up and grapple with him and he can't jump around or apply the necessary leverage to escape.

In addition, do NOT attack him with superior numbers; his Spider-Sense and agility make this a stupid fucking idea. He moves so fast and is aware of attacks before they happen and the more people you have the more room you need (giving him yet another advantage) and if you try to surround him he'll bounce over you and get you to hit each OTHER.

None of Pete's powers are truly amazing or spectacular, but all TOGETHER he is a seriously dangerous foe.

>>88329872
The best way to describe fighting Spidey in a group; Get six guys close to each other and let loose a fly between them and tell them to slap or shoot or swat it out of the air without moving.
They'll be busy hitting each other or trying NOT to hit each other, and every time the fly bounces off of one it's a ten-ton love tap that hurts like a bitch.

Oh, and every time the fly hits you or you hit one of your friends it calls you a faggot.

Yeah what's been said in this thread. To shoot him down you need to be leagues above him or hard counter him.

>>88329688
>Iron Fist
Webbing. He'd probably be a match for Spidey without webbing, but even chi enhanced I don't think he could prevent himself from being webbed down. Iron Fist Punch might let him toss trains around like Spidey, but it's still a punch, you need to be able to move your arm to do it.

And being able to catch a bullet does not equate to being able to dodge a web net with no gaps small enough for a person to fit through.

>>88329963
>Oh, and every time the fly hits you or you hit one of your friends it calls you a faggot.

Kek.

>>88329872
>The best way to beat him is get him in relatively close quarters
He's not a speedster. He doesn't need room to move. He just has fuckhuge agility. He can dodge tank at 2 feet or 20.

See
>>88329502
where he's leaving fucking after images fighting Hercules at point blank.

Are we talking classic timeless Spidey or current spidey? Because current Spidey has gone full techology with lots of utility types of webbing that really cover a lot of disadvantageous matchups.

I think he also might have put super strong armor under his suit? Not sure, but he did reinforce Miguel Ohara's suit that way so there's no reason he wouldn't do the same on himself, plus some time ago he literally survived reentry with barely some webbing to break the fall.

Didn't he actually manage to knock out a low level cosmic level fighter 1v1 by going all out?

>>88326710
I'm going to say Black Panther when he's all juiced up on Panther Spirit juju. That would give him a challenge I think.

>>88330141
Yeah but that was complete bullshit.

How would Spidey fair against Dr. Strange?

They're from completely different schools of super so I'm not sure how they match up.

I know for cosmics he can take Silver Surfer in an ambush but gets his shit pushed in head to head, but fucking Black Panther can take Silver Surfer in an ambush.

>>88330141
If by "low-level" you mean "a full blown fucking Herald of Galactus", then yes.
It was one of the biggest Spider-Wank moments ever.
Short version; Jim Shooter hated how popular the X-Men were in the 80's (especially how he had nearly no editorial control over them at times), so he'd have Spidey do crazier and crazier shit so he'd be "cooler" then them.

Apparently it never occurred to him to just get better writers on Spider-Man, but that seems to be a common thing with comics editors these days too.

>>88330235
Dr. Strange and Silver Surfer would both destroy Spidey

>>88330235
Dr. Strange is above pretty much every other Marvel hero. He's not an Avenger because he handles threats the Avengers couldn't handle in a million years.

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>>88330265
You have to remember that Silver Surfer is fucking chump.

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>>88330327
an absolute fucking chump

>>88330235
If Spidey gets the drop on him he's fast enough to win.
If he doesn't then Strange pushes his shit in; Doc can be caught off guard but of all the classic heroes the only one who really operates at Strange's scale is Thor in his old solo book.

During Sue Storm's wedding to Reed the collected heroes of the Marvel U they basically admit that Strange operates on a scale WAY above their heads, and even Thor admits he's pretty weird.

Spider-Man is an top tier hero wasting his time slapping around purse-snatchers and two-bit crooks who never got their GEDs. After all of the threats he's taken down solo, lumping him with the rest of the street-level heroes is ludicrous.

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>So who could be considered his equal in a fight?

This guy.

>>88330235
BP beat that fight because of writer fiat. Hell the "hold any human physiology could never break out of" was a basic arm-bar; people WITHOUT cosmic superpowers can break out of that.
Reginald Hudlin was almost certainly literally masturbating to BP whenever he wrote him.
>>88330327, >>88330356
He really is though.
Surfer generally fights a guy for a bit, then after they hit him some he whines (aloud mind you) about his lot in the cosmos in the most melodramatic way possible and flies away.

He's an interstellar teenage goth basically.

>>88330411
Black Panther basically has the exact same powerset as Captain America but with a better education.

Cap is not Spidey-tier.

>>88330386
You say he wastes time, but one thing estimated that one out of every ten people in NYC knows someone who was directly or indirectly rescued by Spider-Man due to just how hard he works and how dedicated he is to dealing with "regular people" threats.

In fact, he reputation for having saved so many people is now so cemented that due to JJ constantly talking about how he's a "menace" when almost everyone who knows SOMEONE who was helped by Spider-Man means that the Bugle is basically thought of as a glorified tabloid rather then a serious newspaper.

>>88330411, >>88330583
The real advantage they have us both are strong enough and equipped enough to hurt him properly and neither are stupid enough to engage him in ways that directly work to Spidey's favor like nearly every idiot who fights him does.

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>>88330295
>Dr. Strange is above pretty much every other Marvel hero.
Shouldn't he have to turn over his Sorcerer Supreme title after Doom kicked his ass?

>>88330583
He's smarter than Peter and his armor/claws will protect him for whatever Peter throws at him and make his webbing useless. It'd be a good fight but Panther would win.

>>88330678
He hasn't been the Sorcerer Supreme in awhile.
This doesn't much diminish him; most of what he could do was because of what he KNEW, not because of some title he had.

>>88330583
Panther has got some magic shit though

>>88330616
>both are strong enough and equipped enough to hurt him properly
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>88330682
Right, but he's literally not fast enough to touch him. His only shot would be to out science him.

>>88329963
>Oh, and every time the fly hits you or you hit one of your friends it calls you a faggot.
This perfectly describes fighting spidey

>>88330732
Laugh all you want. It's actually happened before. With physically weaker people then Cap and T'Challa are too.
I know you don't actually READ Spidey comics, but at least be polite enough to admit it.

Also in general; Spidey is way stronger then he is tough.

>>88330731
I thought he was depowered of the magic bullshit back down to Cap levels.

>>88330813
Yeah, that was Hudlin wankery.
Hudlin is not writing him anymore.

>>88330027
I don't think that's meant to be afterimages. Pete's not THAT fast.

>>88330808
Name one person weaker than Cap to fuck up Spidey.

And it can't require obvious bullshit jobbing like in Deadpool vs when his spider sense doesn't alert him to a shotgun pointed at his chin.

>>88330358
>Weird

Don't you mean strange?

>>88330933
Jesus, you think I'd quote a DEADPOOL comic? What do you think I am?
Some dumb fuck who thinks the shit Slott writes is good because he never read anything better like some poor child who's eaten nothing but horse feces and then assumes all good tastes like it?
Please.

Kingpin (who's on par with Cap, thought slightly tougher due to his sheer mass) was strong enough to sufficiently hurt Spidey for years before Back in Black suddenly made Spidey more durable and able to easily beat him (a common thing in modern comics; you're not clever enough to actually write interesting fights or interesting stories so you just try to impress rubes by having the hero be arbitrarily more powerful and have villains job to them), as was that weird guy who was Kingpin-like but was an evil psychologist or something.
In addition, he once fought Cap (largely because he's a stand offish idiot who can't take a hint) while Cap was trying to drive him away from an area that was affected by some kind of chemical weapon, and Cap was both fast enough and skilled enough to hurt AND hit him, repeatedly catching Spidey off-guard in the fight.

Would you like some more?
Because I have a few more.

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>>88331119
Remember that time Spidey took down Thor, Wanda, Quicksilver, and Susan simultaneously?

>>88330027
Those aren't actual after images, it's just a stylized way of showing he's moving faster than Herc. You used to see that a lot before decompression became a trend, not only with Spiderman, but Daredevil, Nightcrawler, even Batman.

Nowadays a similar fight would take five pages.

>>88330199
>>88330250

Firelord doesn't have the set of balls that Spidey does, get over it

>>88330933
>And it can't require obvious bullshit jobbing like in Deadpool vs when his spider sense doesn't alert him to a shotgun pointed at his chin.

It was the succubus' pheromones, it fucks up his spider senses, they explained it later on in the story.

>>88331151
Is Spidey even ALLOWED to fight other heroes one on one?
He seems like contractually obligated to be outnumbered.

>>88329137
That's super outdated.

Surfer can 1v1 against a powered up cable.

Cap is on the same level as daredevil

Colossus on the same level as Spidey on the same level as she hulk...

Nah son.

>>88330386
The thing with Spidey is that half his villains are also top-tier threats wasting their time robbing banks and working for the Kingpin.
Sandman, Hydro, Electro. Carnage. Doc Ock. Spot.

>>88329137

This is outdated though, Pete would probably take half the heavyweights now, where as he would have trouble with most of the ones in his own bracket or below. No way current Marvel would have him beat Panther, Fist, DD, Wolverine, Cap or Iron Fist in a fair fight right now.

>>88331238
Spidey frequently fucks up his Spider-Sense; frequently he gets warnings too late or isn't paying enough attention.
This happens even in actual fights; Spidey is most dangerous when he shuts up and stops goofing off.

>>88331301
A lot of them are really fucking dumb or have too much of an ego to admit fault in their creations. Though I guess that plays off of Peter getting easily distracted in battle.

>>88331368
Which only ever happens when he feels one of his loved ones is in danger. All the other times he just decides to be a cocky show off, which gets him into lots of trouble.

>>88331295
>Cap is on the same level as daredevil
That's the "normal human" level. They should be on the same level unless I missed one of them getting super strength.

>>88331301
Is Spot top tier or just a hard counter to Spidey?

>>88331348
Why in the actual fuck would Spider-man fight fair? His entire shtick is fighting dirty.

>>88331295
Yeah, even back then Colossus could lift around 70 tons.
The "middleweight" division Spidey gives is kind of ridiculously broad a margin and he's at the lower end of the scale.

He's more of a welterweight; not a lightweight but not quite medium yet.

>>88331430

>normal human level
>cap

Are you retarded?

>>88331419
To be fair I get the feeling Spider-man would rather get fucked up occasionally than have the same reputation as Wolverine. He also holds back A LOT 99% of the time to avoid just murdering people and being a cocky showoff is kinda how he copes with constantly being in mortal combat.

>>88331419
He's powerful enough that he rarely takes things seriously.
When actually scared or worried or angry he goes full nerd rage; he'll be hitting you three times for every one of your from ALL ANGLES and so fast you can't react and every time you throw a punch he somehow dodges before you're even done and hits you twice for it.

This guy in a low-grade Iron Man suit (one of those Guardian models) once said that we was completely unprepared for how violent he could be as Spidey puts him through brick walls like they were tissue paper and catches flying bricks and slingshots them back at him with webs at over 120mph and then webs him up and lands five punches on his face cracking his face plate so bad he can't even see anymore.

>>88331503
>super human level
>cap
Are you?

He is explicitly peak human, as in the peak of normal human capabilities. He does not have super powers.

>>88331556
He doesn't have any individual superpower (he has peak human strength, endurance, etc) but the combination of all those peak human abilities makes him superhuman.

>>88331430

>Why in the actual fuck would Spider-man fight fair? His entire shtick is fighting dirty.

He fights with his powers, which is a fair fight. If both heroes using their powers can be considered that.

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>>88331556
Peak human capabilities means you can support a falling building? That's pretty metal, dude.

>>88331430
Spot could be top tier. He's a living interdimensional portal. He's basically an eldritch abomination.

>>88331612
No, they don't. They make him peak human.

Super human explicitly means one or more super powers.

He is the closest thing to super human without becoming one. He's the cutoff. Anyone stronger/faster/smarter/more eye beamy/whatever than him is superhuman.

>>88331634
Peter is always using dirty tactics like psyching out his enemies, or leading them to some trap that renders them unable to use their powers, or tricking them.

>>88331612
This is accurate, but that chart is gauging JUST strength; Cap is within human range (Kingpin is around as strong as him for example) but it doesn't take into account his reflexes and incredible fighting experience:

>>88331634
When did he get web powers?

>>88331681
It does in Marvel

>>88331686
One guy in Waid's amazing DD run uses Spots powers with such cleverness that he's an INCREDIBLY effective foe.

>>88331707
Actually most of Marvel's heroes did that. Iron Man was especially notable for it
Spidey is just a lot meaner about it.

>>88331695
Superhuman means beyond the ability of a normal human.

It's impossible for a normal human to have both peak human strength and agility, for example, because the muscles that allow the person to lift so much also impede their movement.

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>>88331740
Coyote wasn't really a fighter.
Definitely an A-game level planner though.

>>88331681
Comic book peak human is not the same as real life peak human.
That's so blatantly obvious to anyone who knows anything about the human body and how it works that it's not even worth discussing.

>>88331840
>It's impossible for a normal human to have both peak human strength and agility
Except Cap's a normal human.

>>88331962
That's what I'm arguing against, you fucking idiot

>>88332003
Here's the problem with your argument

>peak human=super human
Why call him peak then? He's the absolute shittest of super humans. He doesn't even have supermath.

>>88332003
Not him, but he needs to work out to stay in shape and frequently made note of it back in the day.
It's more like he took the best metabolic steroid regimen EVER, though other applications of the S3 formula are less successful because nobody understood how the "Vita-Rays" that stimualates his muscle and bone growth AFTER he took the formula worked.

>>88331949
Yeah. Forget Cap and his superserum, let's look at Daredevil, whose only power is supersenses, but still can do some parkour that would break professional competitive parkour runners go. Guys like Daredevil and Nightwing could do the American Ninja Warrior Mount Midoriyama with ease, first try, get down and and do it again.

>>88332060
He also got peak intelligence but because he never reads books he can't be a science hero.

>>88332156
One of his biggest advantages is actually that he doesn't even need his eyes to see shit; he knows exactly where everything is around him in a 360 degree arc without even looking.
Also, he's still CRAZY strong due to his ninja training shit.
Guy can lift something like nearly four or five times his body weight.