Does Spiderman have the best rogue gallery?

>Spiderman
Back to /tv/ you go

>>88312300
Comes in third behind Flash and Bats
>>88312311
Now that's just anal

Batman > Spiderman > X-men > Flash

Everyone else doesn't even have a proper rogue gallery, just a couple of actual threats, a superthreat and the rest of the villains are mostly ocassional nuissances

>>88312300
I'd say so. I think over time fanfiction-level writers like Slott and Millar have ruined a lot of them, especially by overpowering Peter and asserting their own opinions into the characters' personalities. But between their conception and the late 80s/early 90s, Spidey's rogues were the absolute best.

What makes a good rogue gallery in first place?

Charisma or villains that are actually dangerous and make the hero struggle?

Because most Spiderman villains are really cool but at this point most of them are pretty much a joke

he does OP but I miss the goofy characters like frogman, stilt-man, walrus, etc, some of them were great.

>>88312300
Hobgoblin's rocking out in that pic

>>88312311
Not OP, but I writting Spiderman is way better.

>>88312650
They can be reused and they're charming enough and implemented with tasteful frequency that you go ga-ga when they show up.

>>88312650
Memorability. Even memorability for being a complete joke.

There is a reason the Shocker is Spider-man's best rogue and it's not only because he kicked the Punisher's ass that one time.

reminder that the Sandman was an Avenger

>>88312468
>just a couple of actual threats, a superthreat and the rest of the villains are mostly ocassional nuissances

So a proper rogues gallery? I mean, out of OP's pic 1/3rd of them are, " I forgot they existed" tier.

>>88312847
He beat spider on his first appearence.

>>88312300
No, it's shit.

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>>88312922
Almost everyone beats Spider-man on their first appearance. It's kinda his thing.

Lose, retreat, figure out how to win with science, win.

>>88312300
No, not even close. The only people who think so are people who are already deeply personally invested in the Spider-man brand.

Theres a good ammount of green in Spidey's rouges gallery

>>88312311
why the fuck aren't you posting that on the homecoming threads you fag

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>>88313113
Most of them were made in the Silver Age where artists would follow the green & purple = evil rule.

>>88312300
I remember cbr did a rogues gallery ranking recently. Some of the choices were... off, to say the least.

15. Wonder Woman
14. Howard the Duck
13. X-Men
12. Daredevil
11. Justice League
10. Avengers
9. Captain America
8. Thor
7. Superman
6. Hulk
5. Dr. Strange
4. Flash
3. Fantastic Four
2. Batman
1. Spider-Man

#1 is batman. this is not even debatable.
then maybe spider-man #2.

>>88312300
No they fucking suck, sre you kidding me? Only Goblin, Ock and Kraven are any good. MAYBE Venom.

The rest are losers.

>>88312300
Batman and flash have better ones

>>88313295
>3. Fantastic Four

Fuck yeah that's fucking well deserved. Everyone gushes over Anhillius, Doom, Galactus or even the Molecule Man but no one ever puts them in their best rogue gallery list. For real.

>>88312650
>Peter never beat Vermin
>Still one of his least memorable villains

>>88312300
No.

Batman's is way better.

It's pretty simple:

Batman's enemies actually have good stories.

Morta Clay is better than any single Spiderman story focused on the vilians. The best Villian focused Spiderman story is Last hunt, there's a reason there has been like 6 million different vulture or hobgoblin while there's ony one penguin. Most,not all of spiderman's enemies are defined by the suits and powers, whie batman's are defined by their personaities and gimmicks as a secundary trait.

Anyway the second best is SUPERMAN, fash and spiderman's are memes for peope that resent batman or are just fanboys, the best spiderman enemy is and will always will be MYSTERIO

>>88313834
>created by Nazi scientists
Cap villain

>>88312300
I'd say it's a close second behind Flash's. If not a tie.

>>88313295
>Batman scoring higher than FF and Flash.

Their list is shit. His rouges /use/ to be good. But now with the whole grim dark trends a lot of what made his rogues memorable have been stripped away in favor of some cliche psychopath.

>>88312300

>Pic

Where the hell is Spider-Man's archnemesis, the Shocker?

>>88313969
Someone mocked him so he refused to show up.

>>88312300
nah it's Captain Marvel

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This is now a Shocker thread.

Post your rare Shockers.

F4 have great rogues but sadly the F4 itself is absolute boring shit.

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>>88312863
A reminder that the same thing is going to happen to Clayface

>>88314044
>Not liking Blue eyed Benjamin
>Not liking Reed's literal autism
>Not liking the MOTHERLY feel of Sue
>Not liking Franklin's shennanigans

Get that shit taste checked, anon.

>>88312300
Yes, it is undebatable

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>>88312300
They all have seemingly similar origins and powertypes. Disgruntled loner (like Peter Parker did) gains powers through science/random happenings but uses his abilities for their own gain. May or may not become a freak of nature in process.

The different ones are Kingpin (who is more of a daredevil villain) and Green Goblin who's interesting because of how close he is to Spiders civilian identity.

The top of the Rogue's gallery however is J. Jonah Jameson. He's literally an unique gem among superhero antagonists. He should be used as that more, inst5ead of the good gruff guy he has been painted more recently. There is many interesting stories about major media mogul vs. mysterious superpowered vigilante, especially with modern heavily centered corporate media being major force of power in politics

The thing is that after reading the recently storytimed Flash run that I realised how much better it was handled, with how people are actually connecting these "rogues" as a group both in-between them and in the eyes of public. Spider-man has done something similar in form of Sinister Six, but it hasn't been build from a good perspective in my opinion.

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>>88313295
Danny Phantom sweeps.

>>88313295
X-Men should be way higher. Come on!

Magneto
Mystique
Hellfire Club
Dark Fucking Phoenix

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>>88314260
Man, Mean Bean Machine 2 looks odd.

>>88313295
>Some of the choices were... off, to say the least.

Really? It seems pretty normal rank to me. I do not agree in the order, but I don't think there is anyone there that it shouldn't

>>88315256
That's cause X-men villains become good or neutral and return to be bad just to return to be good/neutral again.

I guess makes sense them don't making highter since half the time their rogues aren't rogues

>>88313747
I feel like it's been forever since a lot of them were used though besides Doom obviously

>>88315860
>That's cause X-men villains become good or neutral and return to be bad just to return to be good/neutral again.
That's called character progression and it's a good thing.

>>88315985
rinsing and repeating can get tiresome after awhile too

>>88312300
Yes. Unlike the flash, spiderman has more threatening villains. Plus it helps that he's not OP like the flash, making him losing to his villains more believable

>>88312300
It's a draw between him and Batman.

Flash in second place, followed by the X-men. Used to be the opposite but Wallys run before Barry came back improved his rogues galery, while the X-Men have been suffering from rogues turning good then bad again, and having to spend more time infighting/fighting the rest of Marvel.

Then it's F4 and Supes, but the order depends if you value more popularity and iconic status (Supes wins) or if you value the threat they pose and the creativity and diversity in their powers/origins/stories (Fantastic Four wins)

>>88312468
Casual spotted.

>>88313838
>Most,not all of spiderman's enemies are defined by the suits and powers, whie batman's are defined by their personaities and gimmicks as a secundary trait.

This.

Boom

>>88313838
>Mr freeze
Guy with a freeze gun
>two face
A guy who wears two clashing suits, his gimmick is duos
>Joker
A guy dressed as a clown
>Scarface
A guy wuth a puppet
>Killer Croc
A aligator man
>Clayface
A shapeshifter made out of clay
>Mad Hatter
A man in a top hat
>Scarecrow
A man who dresses like a scarecrow
>Professor Pyg
A man who wears a pig mask
>poison ivy
A woman who dresses in green and controls plants

>>88313838

>Batman's enemies actually have good stories.

Most of those good stories star the Joker though. It is somewhat hard to find a memorable Batman story featuring someone like the Penguin or Black Mask as the main baddie.

Scarecrow is my favorite Bats villain but there aren't many good stories centering on him. The only one I can mention is that one-shot written by Peter Milligan where he gets obsessed by a chick that didn't get scared by him.

>>88313838
>here's ony one penguin
Are you joking? You know how many reboots DC universe had?

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>>88314031

>>88317252
(You)

There, now piss off

>>88317398
He's also forgetting Emperor Penguin from New 52 Detective Comics
>>88317675
Two (You)s in one post? I must have done something right!

>>88317398

Do casuals understand that NO REBOOT affected Batman before new52?

In fact the numeration was the same for over 70 years. Retcons are not the same as reboots

>>88317776
Crisis aren't reboots now?

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>>88317633

>>88317797

Batman wasnt affected by the crisis. How casual are you?

COIE changed Jason's hair color, Zero hour changed Chill related stuff. If anything Legends of the Dark Knight actuay acted as a bridge for bronze age and golden age batman

>>88318092
Crisis affect the whole universe.

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How many of Spidey's villains would be just out there doing a job if Spidey wasn't such a hateable little twat?

Instead Spidey's incessant antagonizing has driven many of them to have a deep-seated personal beef with him.
Spidey created his rogue's gallery by being annoying. Everyone else has villains that they fight, but it's rarely personal. People would rather punch Spidey in the face than take a shot at escaping prison

>>88318283

The taunts work amazingly well to put them off balance and make their attack patterns sloppy and predictable.

At the very least you can say that lately he's been more aware of and tries to go into lending a hand to his old enemies.

>You're so bald you could lead the X-Men

Ayyy

>>88313295
Thor's rogue gallery is HEAVILY underrated.

>>88314070
Good, we've been ridiculously overdue for a heroic clayface

>>88312300

>Spiderman
>best anything

you're a funny guy, op.

>>88318232
Pease stop it, you are just showing how casual you are.

>>88314260
>Box Ghost not center
ONE JOB

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>>88319467
>casual
>>>/v/
>>>/reddit/

>>88315985
>That's called character progression
Actually Sabertooth was basically just mind controlled into being a hero and missed the reset everything bus.

That's an asspull, not character development.

>>88319296
It's not going to last, hell go the same way Sandman went, be a hero for a while, but will be forced to make a heel turn again for no good reason.

>>88316213
>Plus it helps that he's not OP like the flash, making him losing to his villains more believable
He has precognition, some of the fastest reflexes in universe, one of the top brains in universe, and he can lift a moderately sized building.

Unless you have super agility or are one of the narrow subset of villains that is immune to his spider sense or he's just dicking around you can't even hit his ass. At that point you best be tanky as shit and immune to science or you're fucked, one or the other won't cut it.

The number of people he'd be afraid to fight is canonically like 7 and he's met most of the Marvel Universe.

>>88318645
To be fair, he also jokes as a coping mechanism and to keep people from realizing how terrifying he is.

It's a 3 for 1.

>>88319891

Oh yeah. They complain about him not shutting up, but the moment he does everyone shits their pants and end up a hair away from a wheelchair for the rest of their lives.

>>88320002
You think it ever crosses their mind that he's not punching them as hard as he can, he's punching them exactly as hard as he needs to to knock them out without them dying/eating through a tube for the rest of their life?

I mean he accidentally put his fist through that one chick's face on that road trip with Wolverine.

>>88320108

I can't remember well, who was the poor souls that was on the receiving end of the "I'M WINNING" speech?

>>88312650
Variety. Variety is key. A Mr. Mxy story is not going to be a Lex Luthor story is not going to be a General Zod story.

>>88319781
>and he can lift a moderately sized building.

Kek.

>>88319891
I ove how you say the same shit in every thread

You are such a dumbass

>>88312468
Spider-Man>Flash>Batman

Most of Batmans villains are quite boring because of how Batman himself acts. There's a better dynamic between Spidey and The Flashes and their rogues.

After that it's probably Green Lantern>Thor>Superman>X-Men

>>88319348
Its that one spiderfag,

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>>88317352
The 90's cartoon had some pretty good stories not about the Joker.

Flash has such a great rogues gallery yet the show always uses speedsters.

>>88320625
Budget constraints, laziness, lack of imagination.

>>88312300
>No Stiltman in the image
>Includes Hydro

>>88319781
Original anon here. Yeah Thays true, but flash can run at an attosecond. Most of the rogues use a device of some kind so you'd think he'd just grab it out of their hands or something and send them to iron heights. Spidey may be afraid of few people, but he's not near superman tier in power like the flash

>>88320582

>cartoon

I am talking about comics only, anon.

>>88320770
Both are OP. Nobody is as OP as the Flash except meme Batman with preptime..

>>88320774
I figured. Just saying those stories do exist, even if in another medium.

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>>88319891
He does that crap to keep civilians calm and away from panic

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>>88320201
Random Ninja man

>>88317252
>pretending to be retarded

Which Spider-man villain is
>normal criminal in a science accident with animal-themed technology

>>88317398
>being this casual

DC has rebooted less than Marvel has.

>>88317776
>Do casuals understand

No. They bought into the Marlel maymay that convinced them that DC somehow reboots all the time, when DC has never done a reboot like they think. It's even funnier to watch them defend Marvel's reboots as not being "real reboots" when DC's "reboots" have been exactly the same thing.

It just comes down to Marvel casuals being dumb as shit.

>>88313295
>Howard The Duck

If there's ever been an underrated rogues gallery, it's Howard's.

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>>88312300
Flash > Batman > Spider-Man

Villains as People With Their Own Relationships and Personal Dramas Occurring Alongside the Hero's Story > Villains defined by Respective Psychosis > Villains defined by their powers

>>88312300
>animal themed hero
>most villains are also animal themed

Not really.

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>>88323681
I can tell you which ones aren't

Kraven
Jackle
Slyde
Spot
Sceewball
Blackie Drago
Adrian Toomes
Morlun
Hobgoblin (Ulrich and Kingsly)
Green Goblin (Norma, Harry and Ulrich)
Silver Sable (on again off again if tye money is right)
The Beetle
Speed Demon
Shocker
Boomerang
Spidercide
Mysterio
Kingpin
The Enforcers
Hydro Man
Sandman
Electro
Paperdoll
Deliah
The Rose
Crime Master
Stunner
Carnage
Molten Man
Spider Slayers

>>88312300
He's got a pretty solid one.

>>88317797
No Crisis has ever been a reboot. COIE changed things but many books continued before and after the Crisis, and numerous characters remembered the events of it. The events with the Anti-Monitor occurred as part of an unbroken chain of events.

Infinite Crisis wasn't a reboot at all, just a collection of retcons. Unlike Marvel who exist in a constant state of retcon, DC keeps their continuity until they do a Crisis event, then they fix all the little things.

New 52 was the only actual "Reboot," but even it wasn't complete as GL and Batman continued on unbroken, and then Rebirth showed that New 52 was never a reboot at all.

So no, there has never been a DC reboot

>>88312942
Shocker was actually a fairly dangerous villain up until Ultimate Spider-Man turned him into a joke character.
He was a lot more practical and mercenary then some of Spidey's revenge-obsessed foes, and his abilities made it hard for him to physically confront him.

Most people on here don't even know what Shocker can actually DO with his gauntlets.

>>88324041
Remember that time he augmented his gauntlets to allow him short spurts of flight while he was under automatic gun fire? Shocker is fucking awesome man.

>>88324092
Yeah, Shocky STARTED OUT as bulletproof and basically completely immune to Spidey's punches, which is pretty impressive compared to most of his rogues.
Also, a lot of people have him focusing on projectile blasts but he was always most dangerous close up since his gauntlets massively increased the impact force of his blows.

>>88324173

They should come back to Threatening Shocker, it woudn't change much since his unambitious personality compensates for it and you'll rarely see him doing anything but petty crime.

Him oneshotting the Punisher was a good start at least.

Batman's are the best, X-Men has the deepest bench, Superman's are the most underrated. I do love Spidey's, but he hasn't had a new memorable villain since the 90's. Batman has had multiple big new rogues created in the last decade alone (Hush, pyg, Court of Owls).

>>88323681
Scorpion
Rhino

>>88324277

I thought they signed up for it.

>>88312300
Yeah
I would say so
Even if you don't like Spidey

>>88312355
Flash? Fucking Flash? "My most known villians are just evil copies of me indifferent spandex" Flash? No.
>Spidey>Batman>power gap>everyone else

>>88324285

Out of these and the question >>88323681 only Scorpion applies.

Rhino's transformation only made him slightly smarter, but that is all. I would say the Lizard applies there, but he doesn't use technologies for his schemes.

>>88323681
>Doctor Octopus
>Scorpion
>Vulture
>Rhino
>Lizard
>arguably Chameleon

>>88313295
X-men down at the bottom two away from Wonder Woman? Those CBR queers keep on getting shittier

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>>88317352
>Most of those good stories star the Joker though
Do you just not read comics?

>It is somewhat hard to find a memorable Batman story featuring someone like the Penguin or Black Mask as the main baddie.

You even picked two of the least used of Batman's rogues and I can still find great stories with them as the primary antagonist. To claim that there are no great stories that focus on Two-Face, Ra's, or Hugo Strange is just being intentionally obtuse.

>>88324518
What science accidents did Chameleon and Vulture suffer during animal science experiments? And isn't Rhino's whole advantage just his suit? We've seen him out of said suit before.

>>88313295
>Dr Strange and the Hulk above fucking Superman or Thor

Why

>>88324518
Only two of those are science accidents though.

>>88324580

>You even picked two of the least used of Batman's rogues and I can still find great stories with them as the primary antagonist

Name all of them in this case.

>To claim that there are no great stories that focus on Two-Face, Ra's, or Hugo Strange is just being intentionally obtuse.

Read what I wrote in the beginning and what you even you quoted dude.

>Most of those good stories
>Most of

It is not the same thing as saying "Other Batman villains besides the Joker don't have good stories".

>>88324518

Ock wasn't a criminal before the accident. Vulture was a scientist that created the suit himself and never suffered an accident with it. You're right about Scorpion. Rhino used to be a spy and signed up himself to become more powerful. Lizard is partially right but he doesn't use technology. Can't say anything about Chameleon since I forgot the origin of his powers.

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>giving half a shit about fuckin rogue's galleries

Characterfags are the worst

>>88324582
No, Rhino's strength and stamina are his own as part of the radiation treatment he had (and originally it actually increased his intelligence too so he wasn't an idiot anymore), but the suit just made him bulletproof and even more resistant to injury.

>>88324751
Characterfags keep the industry alive, if we were all creatorfags tye industry would have dried up and died long ago.

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>>88324416
>most known
>most known

The only people who DON'T realize that Flash has the best are casuals.

>>88324747
>Ock wasn't a criminal before the accident.
He is now.

>Rhino used to be a spy and signed up himself to become more powerful.
He can't remove his suit.

>Lizard is partially right but he doesn't use technology.
Chemistry is technology.

>Can't say anything about Chameleon since I forgot the origin of his powers.
I don't blame you.

>>88307576
>>88324975
>Rhino can't remove his suit
Read The Rhino issue of Gauntlet anon.

>>88324975

The criteria of that anon mentioned "normal criminal in a science accident". But then again, we are just being nitpicky at this point so I'll give you that.

As for Rhino, I remember there were stories where he could remove his suit. I think it is just one of those things where writers either ignore or apply depending if they do care about such detail or not.

>>88325147

>>88307904
>>88307911
>>88307922
>>88307927
>>88307937
>>88307947
>>88307958
>>88307969

You can show me brutal rape and murder, senseless slaughter in whatever scale, or betrayal from the closest ones and I won't but an eye, but somehow this kind of shit messe me up inside like you wouldn't believe. I don't get it

>>88324747
>Name all of them in this case.
I obviously don't know all of them because there's 70 years of comics, but some that I have read:
>Penguin
Ode to a Penguin
Night of the Penguin
Panguin: Pain and Prejudice

>Black Mask
This one is tougher because he's pretty much just a mob boss and no one lists him as an example of why Batman has a great rogues, but nonetheless:
Under the Red Hood (Yes Joker is in it at the end, but is absent for 90% of the story)
Valentine's Catwoman run
Catwoman: relentless


>It is not the same thing as saying "Other Batman villains besides the Joker don't have good stories".
It's not, but it makes is so you have a statement that is impossible to disprove unless I literally listed every single Batman comic and compared which ones have Joker and which ones don't. Joker is Batman's most populsr villain, but he definitely isn't in a majority of his stories.

>>88325278
It's because you're in the same position as Spidey, you don't want Rhino to go back down that road, and you're so happy when he agrees and tries to go into hiding, but then his girl dies, and no matter what, it's Spider-Man's fault, he could have teamed up with Rhino to stop the new guy, but he didn't, and it cost both of them. That one in the win colum that Spidey talks about got erased the second his Web line snapped and Rhino gored the newbie in half.

This was probably my favorite issue of all of Amazing Spider-Man, Joe Kelly is a fucking amazing writer.

>>88325376

I'm not really an expert on Spidey lore, rading bits and pieces at a time, and reading this one for the first time today makes the Jackal bringing her back in the current story arc beyond enraging. Fuck you Slott.

>>88325453
Adding to that rage, Ben Jackle said that he brings people back with all their memories right before they died, meaning he brought Billy Conners back with the memory of his father eating him alive.

>>88325282

That is one major problem. Batman has so many runs, one-shots and minis over all those years that is an effort to remember all the good ones based in each villain of his.

I was not saying guys like the Riddler or Two-Face don't have good stories featuring them as the main villains, but it is kind of hard to track down all of them which even include the ones that aren't regarded as classics like The Long Halloween or Dark Knight Dark City.

>>88320770
Wasn't it JMS that came up with that attosecond bull?

>>88313747
I don't think they're the most popular heroes, but they definitely have the best villains.

>>88325519
I feel like Riddler is one of the most under-utilized batman characters. When he's done right, he's a fucking great character, but a lot of people just make him shitty Joker that tells Riddles instead of jokes.

Some good ones though:
>Detective Comics Annual #8
>Dark Knight, Dark City
>Detective Riddler in Dini's 'Tec and GCS
>The Riddler: When is a Door

Guys we need to do some hard research and find evidence that suggests Rhino and Kingpin are not the same person. Because as it stands, Im inclined to believe the theory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRWbIoIR04c

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>>88314031

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>>88314031
Wish it was colored

>>88324665
somebody please answer this question

>>88324975
Chameleon doesn't really have "powers." He's just an impossibly good actor/impersonator. Practiced his whole life.

>>88317252
But you could strip them all of their cosmetic gimmicks and you'd still have the same character. A lonely scientist longing for the warmth of his wife, a man split between justice and criminality, a psychotic agent of chaos, etc.

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>>88324518
>>88324582
>>88324747
>>88324975
>>88326022
Chameleon's tech has been established

>>88324665
>>88325991
>Dr Stange
Because he has a movie coming out and that automatically makes him better
>Hulk
I honestly have no idea

>>88313295
Cap's needs to be higher. Dude has Red Skull, Zemo, Crossbones, MODOK, the Serpent Society, Baron Von Strucker, Baron Blood, and Batroc.

>>88312300
> Hobgoblin's pose

Truly the most metal of all Spidey's villains and again why Kingsley is the most based one of them all.

>>88323965
>Animal themed
>not Bug themed

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>>88314031

>>88325942
Which rogues gallery would make the better r63 waifus?

>>88325255
Rhino was specifically in an accident or something later in his career where his suit became bonded to his skin.

It's not part of his origin.

>>88312736

Holy shit, he is. HA!

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>>88327113
Spider Man seems to be promising

>>88325942
>>88327613
Are there more of these?

>>88326624
>bug themed
>not arachnid themed
Jesus Christ, we've been over this.

>>88314117
I dont think you understand, jjj has always been an asshat towards spiderman, but he's always been painted as a good guy.

>>88323965

I believe Electro has been compared to an eel, does Shocker have an animal comparison

>>88327855
>wanting to make all of Spidey's rogues just slightly altered copies of him

That's how you get Iron Man's rogues, anon.

>>88327950
It'd be a mantis shrimp, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5FEj9U-CJM

>>88327998
I was talking about the other anon calling Spidey a "bug themed hero."

>>88327715
Theyre the only deliveries from the drawthread of the like. Frankly I think theyre damn funny and a little hot. Wouldnt mind seeing the rest of the six done

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>>88327715
Not technically a r63, but Symbiote-Tan has always been a favorite of mine (Even though there's only, like, two pictures of her.)

Daredevil's is definitely the most underrated.

>Purple Man
>Kingpin
>Typhoid Mary
>Nuke
>Bullseye

>>88328515

>Yandere Venom that actually is a female.

The general public's dicks aren't ready for such a thing.

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>>88328867
I mean, really thing about it. The venom symbiote is quite literally Peter's jealous ex. Hell, she even started to make all her other hosts dress up like him.

>>88314260
is that an animation error on the ghost next to dark danny?

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Powerpuff Girls have the best rogues gallery

>HIM
>Mojo Jojo
>Princess
>Gangreen Gang
>Fuzzy Lumpkins
>Amoeba Boys

And so on. Best rogues in all of superhero media.

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>>88314260
Actually could have pulled them off as human with powers both magical and science could have expanded that into so many ways and many stories. Heck if that happened it most likely would have knocked FOP off the air.

>>88329768
Venom has given birth to others so I do like to think it's a female ex crazy for spiderman.

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>>88329768
>she even started to make all her other hosts dress up like him.

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>>88336094
When you look at it from that perceptive, the symbiotes life is a pretty tragic, yet solid, love story.

>Strange gorgeous alien kidnaps you from Battleworld.

>Teaches you the concept of love

>Form a relationship

>Real close to each other, they've already bonded, so it's been pretty serious.

>Till one day your boyfriend thinks you're too gross, maybe you just grew too old for him.

>Tries to murder you so you runs away, but come back to save him from his own demise.

>Date his co-worker to try and piss him off.

>Ex says he wants you back.

>It was a trick, he was just trying to break you up with your last boyfriend.

>Have a whole bunch of really shitty children.

>They try to kill your first love, so you try to stop the shitty children. B-But it's not like it's because you still like him or anything BAKA

>Literally forced onto a cripple.

>Develop Stockholm syndrome.

>Co-worker ex tries to murder since he hates the sight of you.

>Forced to leave your crippled boyfriend that you were practically forced to take care of.

>Try to find a new mate.

>Find the perfect guy.

>Turns out to be an asshole to date rapes and abuses you.

Man, fuck this MJ shit, he should have been content with his symbiote-fu, only person who's /ever/ been loyal to him.

Batman
Spider-Man
Flash
Fantastic Four
Judge Dredd

That's the list, period.