X-Men: PRIME

>O5
>Pryde
>EXM
I didn't sign up for this.

Do people really care about Rachel?

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>>88296481

I do, she's the best Summers kid

Gold Team is basically my platonic X-line up and I'm furious that it's gonna be shit. I have to hope Bunn is gonna write a good book now. (Headmaster Magneto is the best)

>>88296389
>it's a 'The School gets BTFO again' episode
How many times has this happened now?

>>88296481
Yes! She is a very special mutant!
>>88296529
>have to hope
>now
Did you not read Mags's solo? Harrow County? The Fearless limited series?

>Rachel > Cable
That's a funny looking equals sign.

Why does Loan look so pathetic in that image?

He looks lost and just wants to stab something.

>>88296643
>Logan
It's Oldverine, shill!

>>88296643
He's sad that his team book has a bad writer.

>>88296611

No bc I had read stuff by Bunn I really didn't like so I never tried that shit. I do wanna get around to Harrow County and I might read Mags if I like Blue or a storytime comes up or something.

>>88296567

they didn't even get the namestone right, it's the Jean Grey School

>>88296668
His name is still Logan that Oldverine people call him thing is just a nickname.

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>no Illyana still
Fuck guys....she's going to die in IvX, I just feel it...

>>88296759
Good.
She's not even Magik.

>>88296778
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>88296778
His name is Logan that's what they call him in the comics it's his name.Hhow am I a shill.

>Guggenhiem
>Bunn
>Hopeless
>some literally who colorist
>some indie comic writer known for melodrama
>Robinson
>Pak (stuck with Greg Land on art)

I have zero faith that this relaunch will be anything but mediocre at best. At least the Inhumans get Ewing

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>>88296815
Hey, screw you buddy, she's one of the few characters that makes X-Men worth following these days.

>>88296759
>>88296873

My hopes for Uncanny starring the New Mutants keep rising..

>>88296689
Fair enough. I really can't recommend the Magneto solo enough though.

The huge focus from Marvel on X-Men recently feels like part of a deal with Fox to allow them to use the x-men in the MCU

It just seems weird

>>88296389

Is this like a mash of the Gold and Blue teams? Why not make a new team, since we're going to get a new Gen X we could get a team of other adult X-men who have been in limbo.

That said. With current Marvel editorial being lazy fucks that approve anything and don't check shit, the writers would have to work together on their own to make it work. Otherwise we will get another 'Cyclops is literally Hitler, but not really'.

>>88296873
Illyana has been dead for a long time. Your waifu is just a glib facsimile.
>>88296903
>still believing Uncanny isn't cancelled
Kek

>>88296481
I do.

>>88296940
Nah, this is just a one-shot like Regenesis was a few years ago.

>>88296940

this is a one shot setting up the ongoings

>>88296979

The dream won't die! until they announce Uncanny as something else

>>88296979
>glib facsimile
I thought that was TFA?

>>88296940
It's a one shot said to bridge IvX to RessurXtion

>>88297054
That too.

This iteration of Magik was pretty glib before Lemire fucked her up.

>>88297054
That too.

This iteration of Magik was pretty glib before Lemire fucked her up.

>>88297003
>>88297011
>>88297099


Thanks. I'm a lazy fuck and OP didn't link shit.

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>>88296481
I liked Excalibur, so yes.

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>a new member will join the blue team
>is going to be female

Pls no Laura, pls no Laura, pls no Laura

>>88297189
You're not interested in greatest romance in comics right now?

>>88297220

Didn't she and Angel break up

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>>88297185
Patrician taste m8
>>88297189
Can't be worse than the snoozefest she's been in. Better stakes for the Cyke/Laura OTP

>>88297241
Idk, you think I read any of their comics.
>>88297251
Oooh, necrophilia. We didn't have that in comics since Black Hand went edgy.

>>88296389
>>88297122

Here

http://www.cbr.com/marvel-announces-x-men-prime-one-shot-reveals-new-resurrxion-info/?utm_source=CBR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-FB-P&view=list

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MY FAVORITE SUPERHERO IS """PRESTIGE"""

>>88297251
Sexy nurse Laura with naked cyclops?

>>88297439
D E L E T
T H I S

>>88297439

>tfw everyone will troll Rachel fans with this

why can't she just be Phoenix again. let kidJean be Prestige

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>>88297439
DELET THIS

>>88297251
Kek it's like Cyke is destined to be btfo by any variation of Wolverine.

>>88297439
I have an idea for a shoop.

It involves the Ted Cruz delegates meme, but with Cable and an ultimatum for the time travel mileage points.

>>88297251
>Cyke/Laura OTP
I want OG Logan to come back so he can witness his female clone banging a younger Scott.

>>88297439
HERESY!!!!
DELET
D E L E T
E
L
E
T

>>88297579
>it looks like shit will happen
>enter Rucka
>lol solo book
>see you, Laura. to the space!
Fucking Kidclops.

>>88297642
>Fucking Kidclops
Laura will

>tfw Rachelfag
>tfw she's not even my waifu, and it seems most Rachelfags are just big fans, not waifushitters
>tfw just want her to be happy with Kitty so we Rachelfags can be happy for her too
IT
NEVER
HAPPENS

Imagine this pain, waifushitters.

It's like autocuckoldry

>>88297672
I stopped holding my breath for that to happen.
>>88297679
Rachel and Kitty was Claremont's endgame, right?

>>88297579
Better yet I would also like to see OML's reaction to that..

>>88297848
>OML's
I havent been following OML but does henhave tuensame rocky relationship wiih his Cyclops?

>>88297957
His Cyclops is ded, he killed him after Mysterio shenanigans. He named his son after him.
He's also ded, killed by Hulk's kids.

>>88297957
Anon-kun, you ok?! Did you have a stroke?!?!

>>88297989
I fucking hate typimg im mobile. Lettees too small for my thumb.

>>88296389
Why do they keep Sabertooth as a team player? What is the fucking point?

>>88296389
here I thought they could create a shittier look and costume for Kitty. Schitti costume was badass and awesome, why not keep it. Bendis you fat fuck, I'm sure it was somehow your fault.

>>88297698
Nope, he wanted Kitty with Gambit

>>88297957
Well apparently yeah he was in love with his Jean but she was with Cyclops so pretty much the same as in 616.

>>88298254
Hot revisionism. Gambit/Rogue has always been the endgame.

>>88298043
>typimg
>Lettees
R.I.P., Anon.

>>88298394
If anything, Claremont saying the thing about Kitty and Rachel was hot revisionism to look good in that interview not only because there wasn't any clue pointing to that end in the original The End series, but also because his explanation of how it would happen was pants on head retarded.

>>88298992
>citing The End
>where Gambit/Rogue happens
lel

>>88297672
If LauraXteenClops happen will happen will the WolverineXCyclops shippers be satisfied?

>>88298071
That's my problem too!
Why the fuck do they allow this shit?
Creed is a sick fucking murderer, did they all forget?
Have the editors ever read an X-men comic before?

>>88299018
Gee, maybe that's because The End was written with then-current X-stories and background in mind, while Forever was Claremont's original plans if editorial hadn't screw him up.

>>88298071
>>88299153
He got AXIS'd, anons.

You'd know this if maybe you hehe, read, haha, comics!

>>88298992

>implying there's not plenty of Kitty/Rachel subtext in old comics

i can't argue with "oh but claremont does that with everyone" though

Rachel is for Shi Ar cock, fuck Kitty

>>88299223
>cock is a name for chicken
>chicken is a bird
>bird is an epithet for Shi'ar

AYYY lmao

>>88296759

X-Men Blue will be having other characters join the team, hinted to be women.

Guess you better start praying she's one of them.

>>88299223
or for Franklin cock

if he ever grows up

>>88299173
taking part in a forgetable crossover event that no one gave a shit about doesn't make up for the morlock massacre or any of the litany of things he's personally done to hurt the x-men.

You'd know this if maybe you hehe, weren't a teenage, haha, faggot!

At least it's clear now Kitty just has shorter hair instead of a dyke cut. I'm okay with this.

it must be weird to read people complain about Scott Summers' actions when Sabretooth is RIGHT THERE

>>88299379
Idiot, do you not realize hes been part of the X-Men before?

Furthermore, he's on Magneto's team of killers right now AND he's joining a murder brigade in Resurrexion.

Get fucked, casual.

>>88296389
Did we really need 3 Wolverine style characters on one team? This isn't X-Force.

>>88299450
How long have you been living under that rock?

>>88299418

god that rachel costume is like just off being good which makes it so much worse.

skirt is too short for sure, it looks unbalanced

>>88299450

It's not a team book, it's an arc bridging one-shot.

>>88296389
>Jubes and Laura on the same team
Good, I hope Warren gets cucked.

>>88299440
Yeah and each time he stabs them in the back.
If you were alive when the books came out, you'd know that his forced lobotomy via wolverine claw was the only time creed ever became a real good guy, even that was only temporary.
The fact is, it makes no sense that anyone in the x-men would ever logically trust him, and every time the writers try to shoehorn him into a team it's always stupid and ends the same fucking way.

Been reading comics since before you were born, son, time to go to bed

>>88299526
>herp derp I won't read the thread because it suits me to be an ignorant!

>>88299464
This might be the worst costume Kitty has had in history. Even the #150 roller skates costume looks good in comparison. What's up with wearing underwear over her pants, not even Superman does that anymore.

>>88299559
He's not on the X-Men. Nobody on the X-Men trusts him. Your problem is artificial.

>his forced lobotomy
How is this any different? He had a change of heart due to circumstances out of his control.

>>88299584

i was gonna defend it cause it just looks like a new mutant uniform which is like the best default for the x-men but then i got mad at the 05 for getting individual costumes. but i do love those jackets

Does Marvel know what to do with Havok?
If Sabretooth is still a hero after being inverted, then Havok must still be evil.

>>88299613
Its so default it takes away her individuality and even takes away her personality. That thing might be fine for new students but not for the fucking leader.

>>88296389
>What the fuck did they do to Rachel?
From the looks of it, they made her Gladiator.

>>88296389
Why the fuck Old Bub still dressing as desert hobo?
Also, Collosus is back to old shitty costume :(

>>88299652
The inversion didn't make Sabretooth good, just not selfish.

As for Havok it made him love the M-word.

>>88296481
Some do, but they are too old to matter. Most probably she is there because she is the only telepath available, and apparently the main topic post-IvX is the return of the phoenix.
>>88296389
she is becoming the mother-askani, anon.


Anyways, I dont feel a lot of hope for this Ressuxion

Emma, Magik, Psylocke, Havok, Archangel, Fantomex, Polaris. (I could mention others but I think they are bigger)

There are enough MIA x-men for an Uncanny X-Men book with Uncanny X-Men sales, IMO.

>>88299684
This, it didn't invert the morality in a D&D manner, it inverted the defining characteristic.

>>88299762
This is an awesome roster.

Would read/10

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>>88299418
>>88299464
Wait, why does Rachel have to be "Prestige", but Kitty can just go by her real name?

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>>88299762
As long as no one tries to pretend that Havok is in charge. Is he still evil? His face was pretty fucked up in Death of X.

>>88299918
..after everything I've done to throw him out of the plane!

>>88296389
>that roster
Jesus, Marvel still has no idea what to do with the Mutants, do they?

>>88299981
>>that roster
Read the thread moron.

>Marvel still has no idea what to do with the Mutants, do they?
Well of course not.

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>>88296389

Does Kitty have a ponytail? Her hair looks pulled back...but we haven't seen a ponytail on her yet.

I really fucking hope they aren't giving her the dyke look like they pushed on Carol & Crystal

>>88300022
HAHAHAHAHAHA

She has the short hair.

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>>88297439
>>88299418

Why even use Rachel if you're gonna shit all over her?

>>88299874

She decided to give herself a new code name, it's not something forced on her

>>88299918

Scott: "Alex what the fuck are you doing with your life? You're wearing some weird costume with giant red metal arms? What the hell man

>>88300022
>I really fucking hope they aren't giving her the dyke look like they pushed on Carol & Crystal

They're not

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>>88300039

I fucking hate Marvel

From Uncannyx-autists.net:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/node/5255

Good stuff actually.

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>>88300022
She has short hair

Having said that, this is hardly the first time she has had short hair. It goes all the way back to Claremont's 80s

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>>88300082
>Thank God that Scott can't see what I'm wearing right now or he would think I was a complete tool!
Scott has the best fashion sense of his whole family.

>>88300154
X-Jammer Havok had the best costume.

This is NOT up for debate.

>>88299874
Kitty going back to Shadowcat or Professor K would be looking at the past which is what Guggenheim said they won't do (LOL), and keeping her current codename, Star-Lady, would be too awkward.

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>>88299918

He's not 'evil' but he's still inverted and still scarfaced

Remember that time Havok used his cosmic rays to let Cyclops absorb a fuckton of energy to power his punch dimension portals?

That was cool.

More proof in my mind that their immunity to each others' powers is because they cause a feedback loop.

>>88300228
But Prestige is stupid unless you are a magic-themed character.

>>88296929
"Marvel" used to have both the comics and movies divisions together. Ike Perlmutter had a lot of say in the movies. Kevin Feige got sick of it and got help from dudes with bigger dicks.

They separated the two areas so Marvel Entertainment (comics) and Marvel Studios (films) are two totally unrelated divisions.

Perlmutter has no presence at all in Marvel Studios, so he no longer has any reason or incentive to keep X-Men and FF down in the comics.

This is most likely why all the earlier comics had people treating Cyclops like he'd done something utterly horrible and irredeemable, but Death of X was pretty reasonable. X-Men are no longer lepers. This is also why we're getting a Fantastic Four return sometime later.

>>88300228
>would be looking at the past which is what Guggenheim said they won't do
Yeah well they already failed considering other than """""""""Prestige""""""""", everyone just went back to their classic costumes. I mean shit, Nightcrawlers isn't even slightly changed, it's exactly his classic costume. Kitty, Storm, and Colossus are almost exactly the same minus a couple small tweaks. Hell, even OML is just wearing that nasty ass trench coat he originally wore.

I don't mind going back to the basics, but you don't really get to claim that you're being new and fresh when you're going for the nostalgia pandering route.

>>88300301
>no Rachel BDSM costume

Why go on bros?

I can only hope that Rachel goes and joins Mags's team later on.

>>88300261
I know, I was just pointing out why Kitty is going without a codename.

>>88300301
I know, but that's what he said man. Guggenheim's retarded, what can you do.

>>88300261

Prestige is a word that has a meaning and it isn't "the movie about the magic guys"

>>88300379
You're right, it's the name of a credit card

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>>88300290
>This is also why we're getting a Fantastic Four return sometime later.
Please don't say things like this until we get hard confirmations. After seeing pic related, I genuinely don't know if my heart can handle the F4 getting fucked over any more and getting my hopes up just for them to be dashed would be too much.

I always took them for granted and losing them made me realise how important they were to me. Marvel just isn't the same without them. The whole universe just feels hollow.

>>88300425
We are getting the F4, but they're NOT MUH F4

>>88300425
>getting emotional for a Bendis page
don't tell me you're gonna read Infamous Iron Man next

>>88300445
If you mean the All-new New F4 over in Ghost Rider then yeah. I'm mildly excited for that (would have preferred Kaine to Silk though), but they aren't really the "Fantastic Four."

>>88300425
Anything that gets Johnny away from the Inhuman clusterfuck and Medusa and Blackbolt's weird-ass relationship would be great.

>>88300425
No was axed due to low sales. They
want that thor sales bumps jms produced.

>>88300467
That's a great page, Bendis or no. Schiti knocked it out of the park with the art. You can feel Ben's pain in his eyes in that last panel. GotG is a shit comic, but that doesn't mean an occasional good thing can't come from it.

Infamous Iron Man on the other hand was rampant character assassination on Ben along with Doom going around and killing classic F4 villains, all of whom were also written out of character. So nah, that's the opposite of what I want.

>>88300515
>axed due to low sales
Don't believe Brevoort's lies. They were selling at a comfortable ~35k under Robinson when it was cancelled, and prior to that had the sales necessary to hold up two seperate ongoings until Fraction fucked the whole thing up. Under Hickman, they were consistently top sellers for Marvel and even beat out Batman in at least 2 different months.

>>88296389
Yay, a team where I can tolerate less than 50 fucking % of the roster because they're either time displaced editorial fuck ups that need to be erased or all around terrible people that I would pay to see them star in snuff porn.

>>88296389
did the sjs cry about Kitty having a thong over her pants and had her panties changed?

>>88300648
>the roster
wew lad, what a retard. Just read the thread.

>>88300675
I did after posting, I still would pay to see Storm, Kitty and Jean star in a snuff film.

>>88300734
>paying
>not doing it for free

>>88300658
Nope.

>>88300734
Let Arcade have his way with them.
>Nothing personal, m'lady

>>88300558
Not lies. They want the bookmto sell very good. So they axe it to bring it back later.

Not different from killing a character off or eddie brock not being venom for years only to become a villian again.

Sales stunts and shock value.

>>88300791
Maybe we'll get Anti-Venom back?

>>88296389
Why does Angel still have his energy wings? Shouldn't they have turned back to normal like all of the other powers people got from the mirror?

>>88296389

And the answer to the question "how many wolverines do you really need in one book!?" is apparently 2.5

>>88299584
>>88299652

Its just a belt...

>>88296873
She hasn't been good since Wells.

>>88296389
So what hairstyle is Storm meant to have exactly?

And why not just give her a short cut or pixie cut or something? Sporting long locks of hair when your mutant powers frequently drenches you wet sounds like unusual self-torture

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That new Colossus design is terrible compared to the this one. Who came up with this anyway, Pacheco?

>>88301341
>Pacheco
Think so.

>>88301336
>can control the weather
>can't keep her hair dry
Anon, go away

>>88299418
Is there a reason they insist on making colossus wear hot pants? If they want to sexualise his quads they should either give him a kilt, or having his pants torn in battle constantly

>>88296759
She's going no be in Generation "everything but the New X-Men"
If only she could be in USAvengers or in Sorcerer Supremes.

>>88302088
Post sauce

>>88297439
looks a bit like Purple Superman

>>88302102
Well, she's not 100% confirmed, but the author wants to use her (gold taste for teachers, shit taste for students)
http://www.cbr.com/exclusive-generation-x-creative-team-roster-revealed/

>Are there any other ex-students that might pop by in a mentor role, like any of the original Generation X crew? Any specific characters you’re dying to write?

>Chamber. Chamber, Chamber, Chamber, Chamber. Did I mention Chamber? After all, Jubilee’s gotta have someone to confide in, and who doesn’t love a sad boy? And there are a few other members of the original Gen X crew that I’m definitely interested in checking in on, including Husk — but don’t expect a Chamber/Husk romantic reunion. As for other ex-students, I do have an affinity for Dani Moonstar and Magik, so I imagine you’ll see them popping up at some point. And I don’t know that Andre Mexer counts as an ex-student, but hear me now: he’ll be around.

>>88296529
CABLE IS BEST SUMMERS KID

>>88302185

> I do have an affinity for Dani Moonstar and Magik,

who wrote the Dani story in the All New Annual?

>>88302208
This anon has FUGGININCREDIBLE taste

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>>88301341
Bianchi, actually

>>88302329
When was this?

>>88299918
Cyclops a best.

>>88300445
They couldn't even use the best versions for the New FF. Ketch,parker,Banner and Howlett are the only four that could match the greatness of the fantastic four

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>>88302948

>>88296389

We are truly witnessing the worst Marvel age.

>>88303046
People complain that Marvel is killing the X-Men but when Marvel gives them more books they still complain.

>>88299918
Scott's all like "Dude its cool. Now leave me to my coco and awesome sweater".

>>88302224
Rex Ogle apparently. And before you ask, no she didn't color it.

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Does the Carol-hair mean that Kitty is a lesbian too now?
And what's Jean's dressing down mean?
Has the experience of Scott and Hank soured her to boys too?
And are Bobby and Sabretooth holding hands in that coverart?

>>88304165
>And are Bobby and Sabretooth holding hands in that coverart?
Nice bait attempt. Here's the (You).

>>88303076
>Marvel

>>88304183
Thanks.

>>88304165
>Does the Carol-hair mean that Kitty is a lesbian too now?
No. See >>88300137

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>>88304165
>Does the Carol-hair mean that Kitty is a lesbian too now?
Kitty Pryde is a Christ Claremont character. You think she needs short hair to go gay?

>>88304165
>now
>NOW

>>88303076
Every generation thinks Marvel is ruining the X-Men.
Every generation but two:
Those who came off of the near-cancelation of the original five and got the Claremont era,
And the overhyped Lee era of the early '90s, coming off of a time of directionless stories with the X-Men cast split up all over the place.

There IS NO greatest X-Men generation, even Claremont was just them getting started and making things up as they go along, does anyone ever talk about the time Nightcrawler was abducted by Leprechauns? That was on Claremont.
For goodness sake, just read the story before you start whining.

>>88304417
So?!!? So what?
So you've posted a picture of her licking cream off of a seductive woman's finger.
What's that supposed to mean?!?
It doesn't mean anything! NOt anything
That doesn't mean Bobby's gay!
You haven't proven anything with these canon comic images!

>>88304535
>Those who came off of the near-cancelation of the original five and got the Claremont era,

Busiek says otherwise.

>talking shit about the mystical aspects of the early x-men

>>88303076
Because they gave them Z-list talent

>>88304661
>Because they gave them Z-list talent
But it's still more books.

>>88304661
Early X-Men had WAAAAAAAY too much magic crap going on.
There were times when it was more likely they'd go up against some magic whatever (or an alien) than encounter anything mutant.
It makes sense these days with characters like Pixie and Magik, but what are the chances that a group created to intercede with mutant problems would have more supernatural enemies showing up on their doorstep then mutant enemies?
That doesn't make a lick of sense.

>>88304899
>But it's still more books.
kys

>>88304417
why everyone thinks being created by Claremont autamatically makes a character bi or gay. Newsflash, Claremont isn't running the show anymore and he will never again. Who cares about what he thinks anymore, certainly not Marvel.

>>88304899
>>88304965
It's the "throwing-spaghetti-against-the-wall" method of comic publishing: eventually something's gunna stick.

>>88305078
>spaghetti
shit*

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>>88304937
>group created to intercede with mutant problems

Your post is based on a faulty premise. It wasn't the 90s that the X-men became all mutants all the time.

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>>88304989
Claremont's everything being sexual method of writing the X-Men was wildly successful, of course everyone after him has tried to do the same, and the guy liked lesbians, so there are lesbian X-Men now.
Or do you think Storm and Kitty had an intense private high-atmosphere discussion about a haircut?

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>>88305146
It kinda got away from them for a while, I'll give you that.

>>88305202
I love that haircut.They should have never gone back to the regular look.

>>88305241
lol well done

>>88305202
you truly are delusional

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>>88306001
About what part?

The X-lesbians are everywhere part?
The Claremont wrote perversion into the mythos part?
The page of canon comic material exists part?
The Scott's still alive because I turned him into an idea part?

You have to be more specific in your criticism.

>>88305078
Why would you throw spag on the wall?! There are starving kids in..somewhere! Shame on you

>>88306788
I'm evil and I do it to mock Superman's efforts. That's why.

>>88300734
>Storm, Kitty and Jean
literally the waifupilars of the X-Men minus perhaps Emma
I can bet all of them are bettter than ur waifu

>Putting Storm back in a leotard and growing out her hair.
How very anti feminist of them

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>>88308112
Her Mohawk never struck me as a feminism thing, to me it was just a mutant weirdness thing.
It was a while before I even realized that it was an obvious punk lesbian look.
But recently, with the whole storm-goddess drapery combined with the high Mohawk look, I thought she was finally embracing the mutant counterculture wholeheartedly.
I loved Storm for that ... despite how non-stop wrong she was being all the time.
Seeing her go back to this Soccer-mom Jazzercise costume with her "big beautiful hair is a woman's pride" style, I feel disgusted.
And I doubt her condition of wrongness will improve any because of it.

What X-book is the new Inhuman member of the X-men going to be on?

>>88308517
I don't know ... let me ask around ...

ANYONE KNOW WHAT TEAM BEAST IS GOING TO BE ON?

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>>88308480
>It was a while before I even realized that it was an obvious punk lesbian look.
really?
>And I doubt her condition of wrongness will improve any because of it.
That's what I don't understand
Storm radicalized way before Cyclops did, she was the first leader to openly authorize Wolverine to kill, the first one that adopted the mutant survival at all costs mentality and all that shit during the late claremont era and now she is just a less butthurt beast
Modern X-Men seems like just a waste

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>>88308658
But she didn't radicalize on the kill issue because of desperation like Scott did, she just has a vengeful goddess streak in her. Storm was never faced with a prolonged whole-species-on-the-line situation like Decimation. And she was calling for killing for vengeance on more than one occasion, like during the Morlock Massacre. She was just more ruthless, like Logan, it was a hidden character trait, not a moral sacrifice of leadership.

(Goddess, how I LOL when I read the part where it's Maddie that freaks out Storm after Scott's just all polite casual calm about her showing up to a wedding dressed for gay clubbing.)

>>88308842
Well yeah, my point is I don't see why she gets mad at scott for sanctioning killing and shit like that when she had already done so, I mean aside from bad writing
also, yeah lmao tho in all honesty who wouldn't freak out when seeing a perfect clone of his dead best friend

>>88308842
Scott really is the ultimate creepy quite guy in the corner.
The real freaks are always the quite ones.
It's no wonder Emma SexFreak Frost fell in love with him.
Or have there ever been any things that do shock him?

>>88299584
>What's up with wearing underwear over her pants, not even Superman does that anymore.
DELETE THIS

>>88309052
I've answered this before, it's a common thing people just don't get:
Ororo, Hank, Kurt, and Logan all saw Scott as the innocent incorruptible one. Not necessarily better than them, Storm always disagreed with his leadership decisions, Beast always acted without consulting him, Nightcrawler was always offering him moral council, and Wolverine was always undermining him.
They all saw Scott as a classic good guy, just a little too nice, a square, as Emma put it: Scott Summers likes homework and eating his vegetables.
Weak because of this good nature.
But you don't value something like that until you see it destroyed.
That's what bothers them: Scott Summers turning into the mutant Frank Castle, and doing so willingly and without regret.
That's not supposed to happen when you're surrounded by superheroes.

>>88309250
>Scott Summers turning into the mutant Frank Castle
that's the point tho, he really isn't
he's more like Nick Fury at worst, and them being so averse to this makes them look more like hypocrites rather than genuinely disappointed teamates

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>>88309337
"Nick Fury at his worst" destroyed a god with a whisper, secret murdered countless in the name of defense, betrayed the sanctity of meat night, employed countless false pawns, jet-packed around doing horrible things in space, raised an army of his own on a private spac...
HOLY SHIT, Rightclops was Nick Fury!
(He even had one eye!)

>>88309464
...maybe he should have specified "not hack-writen Nick Fury" at worst.

>>88309652
Doesn't matter, it's still a horrible far cry from the goody-two-shoes who eats all his vegetables.
Scotty sank low.

>>88309464
Based Nicky.
THE ONE MAN

Also, you misread that for your own purposes, and that disingenuous presentation bothers me. Just wanted to share my feelings.

>>88309747
This is true. I did exactly that.
But hey, I actually do care about the characters.
Feel free to commiserate among your fellow fans here.
Don't let my being a closet-troll stop you, I'll try to be good.
Storm, Hank, Logan were all hypocrites, we all know this, but does that make them more relatable realistic characters, or less?
I don't think it's a bad thing that they aren't perfect.

>>88309822
>more relatable realistic characters, or less
They can certainly be flawed, but I genuinely believe most of their reactions to Scott were bad writing that really didn't take into account the character's history, with the exception of Kurt and Hank to an extent
Or maybe I'm just Stormfagging and you are Cyclopsfagin, which is ok

They need a team of just Kitty, Rachael and Illyanna doing cute girl stuff together like braiding their hair, taking baths together, and sending ex-boyfriends to Limbo.

>>88309874
why is Rachel still a teen

>>88309874
You want Kate Leth on the x-men?

Kitty should just go back to Shadowcat, in name and looks. It's her best costume by far.
>>88297185

But I guess we can wait until Marvel decides to actually give a shit and get rid of all the stupid, which probably isn't any time soon.

>>88309896

...she's not?

>>88296481
She was fun in Excalibur.

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>>88309863
(Oh, I'm totally Cyclopsfagin)
And OMG, Storm NEVER got along with Scott, especially when it came to leadership, they had squabbles about - - - They had an actual physical fight about it back in the day.
It makes sense that she would be holding all of these resentments about his bad, unethical, amoral decisions of late, that were beyond what she would have done, especially with a sociopathically clear conscience like he had.
But if they had had enough time there would have eventually been one of those clearing the air conversation scenes and Storm would have forgiven him, I have no doubt of that, but they just didn't have the time.

>>88309874
So Peter would be sent to Limbo twice?

>>88309250
I don't think it is just that. The biggest thing was that Scott was always up until the Messiah Complex, a decent and moral human being. However, the potential for him to be Rightclops was always there.

See, what none of them really got about Cyke is that the dude is repressed. Emotionally and physically.

Wolverine worries about going into a berserk rage and killing everyone? If by some mistake Scott's sunglasses fell off while he slept, then he could kill everyone in the surrounding area when he woke up.

Those optic blasts of his are what made his life what it is now. Because of that, Scott has to remain in control all the time. I mean we all know he would like nothing more to blast Logan through a window when the guy is being his usual arrogant self. But, he has to restrain himself. Constantly.

It may have made him seem weak to others, but it was actually his source of strength.

This control which made him a good leader. He could always see the big picture and he rarely let emotions guide his actions. It was because of that vision though he could see what the others could not. That was why he was the one that the X-Men trusted to lead them at the end of the day.

After M-Day, Scott factored in everything and realized that this whole 'React' policy that the X-Men had would not work in a post-decimation world. Add that in with the fact that Cyclops had to ensure a species survived, then you got the creation of 'Rightclops'.

Imagine being in Scott's shoes for a moment. A man who has to be total control of himself every single second of every single day. Balance that with having to ensure that a species survived and running the X-Men... See why he developed like he did?

I like to think that it is the reason that the X-Men are so critical of him now. They don't want to admit that they had a part in his fall. They pretend like they didn't force him into this role and pretend that it was all his fault even though the blame should be shared.

>>88296389
Why are the O5 still here? I mean for god's sake they have no goddamn appeal. Bring back the New Mutants or the New X-Men or hell, nearly any generation (Apart from WATXM). Or just make them into villains. Anything to stop them polluting the current X-Men stuff.

Seriously, why can't they just go back?

>>88299420
He never killed the only man that matters.

>>88310181
>Why won't they go back?
Marvel is a sanctuary publisher.

>>88299762
>Havok
>Polaris
>Warren
>big
>ever

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>>88310122
WOW. That. Is. A. Post.

So, First thing: The repression thing sure seems to be the secret of his success, the guy has a tolerance level for taking shit like nobody else.
But Storm's the same way. She gets too emotional and a monsoon with blizzard lightning destroys New York. The state.
She might not have had the childhood of pure hell that Scott did but she knows how to control her every waking emotion. It's a learned skill best never needed in the first place.
Maybe she sees herself going down that same path to damnation if it had been her in charge?

>>88299261
CURSE YOU, RIDDLER!!
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THAT!

>>88299347
There are, or have been, several grown-up Franklins.
I think he just prefers to spend time with Katie right now.

>>88300101
She certainly knows how to take a bullet

>>88310216
Warren is pretty big
both as an O5 and because his apocalypse relationship

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>>88310122
(Part 2)
As for the guilty part, I damned well hope they feel guilty.
Not just for allowing his corruption with indifference, but also for enabling it. Wolverine was the worst of them, by far, but Hank and Storm did their parts to step back and passively let these decisions fall on Scott's shoulders.
Hank knew iffy stuff was going on for a long while before he took his big moral stance and quit, some of it was already out in the open, other things his scientific expertise was actively facilitating, if that was a wrong he couldn't tolerate the time to take a stand was right away, not after the fact.
And Storm, she stuck with him all the way, right up until the Phoenix Five went wrong, you can give her credit for that ... or you can condemn her for not stepping in before it went too far, either way she's guilty of blaming him for doing all these things she supposedly disagrees with, and yet she never stopped it.
That's one reason to think she would have ended up the X-Men's murderous disappointment if it had been her playing Phoenix.

And I like to think there's a part of her that knows this.

>>88310239
Storm seems to a lot more control over powers naturally than Scott does. Yes they require a great deal of control, but unlike Scott, she has a easier time controlling her abilities than he does.

Onto your second point. I don't think it's just that. I think more on the lines, she saw Scott, this moral, kind and sincere human, someone who she admired in a way. In fact, I think most of the senior X-Men did, even and especially guys like Logan.

I think that Storm currently is desperately trying to hold herself together because she realized some of strain that Scott has constantly been under. And I think that terrifies and saddens her. Because now she realizes that Scott wasn't being amoral just for the sake of it. He wasn't being like an edgy kid trying to fight imaginary threats with X-Force. He was trying to make sure that even if everyone hated him, they would all come home. Though it's not a criticism, I don't think Storm could handle the people she loved hating her. In fact, in general I like to think that's what the X-Men were doing.

From what I can gather from the ending of Death of X, the Inhumans probably pushed a story of Scott being deliberately aggressive rather than doing what he actually did. They all know what needed to be done, but they don't want to do it.

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>>88310181
Why is Rachel still here?
Why is OldManLogan still here?

They no longer come from a different historical part of the 616 parallel universe timeline, the timeline has shifted with their presence and 616 is no longer the reality that they came from, because it's split off into different separate and distinct realities that are no longer linking 616 to their points of origin.

>>88310418
>Storm currently is desperately trying to hold herself together because she realized some of strain that Scott has constantly been under
The thing is she knew it way before Cyclops ever did
Remember that during Mutant Massacre, she lost most of the people she was supposed to lead, and still she lead the team into defeating a chaos god and going underground and becoming proactive instead of reactive while being as crippled by self doubt as Cyclops is, just to return and have Cable and the New Mutants constantly second guessing her every choice .
Funnily enough Wolverine was fine under her lead and only until Scott began doing the same did he decided to chimp out, so probably he, deep inside him, just hates his guts

>>88310418
You think a RightStorm is maybe going to become the next villainous X-Man in IvX?

>>88310471
So what if they're timelines have split from 616? The X-Men don't care what country or alternate timeline you're from they will accept you.

>>88310471
The difference is that Rachel actually is an interesting character on her own. She is not a nostalgic wank by a hack.

As for OldManLogan... well, I really don't like him in the first place so I am not going to bother defending him.

>>88310525
They're still all, even Rachel, even the O5, all just What-if rejects walking around in the wrong universe.
They should form a support group.

>>88310496
I don't think the main difference is that at the end of the day, was that Storm kept second guessing herself as much as the New Mutants did that and the fact she was acting on emotions instead of rationality because she could afford to. Scott couldn't.

As for Logan... I think the biggest problem that he had with Scott is that he hates the fact that Scott is a better man. Logan undermines him in a vain attempt to make Scott down to his level, but Scott doesn't.

I think that ultimately Wolverine is jealous of Scott and that was what lead to the Schism, ultimately. Wolverine believed that he knew what it meant to be a leader and what it blew up in his face, he blamed Scott and his influence.

>>88310471
>Why is OldManLogan still here?
Same reason the fake O5 are. Because fuck what readers want and are willing to pay for, is why.

>>88310515
A woman, particularly a black one being a villain? In current year? Grow up Anon, it was obvious the patriarch Black Bolt who is responsible for everything bad.

>>88310634
Pity Hopeless didn't tank O5 harder.

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>>88310675
You're missing the whole point.
Rightclops was right, a RightStorm would be right.
The fact that they're obviously doing the heroic thing when there's nothing but recriminations and suffering for their difficulties is it's own act of virtue.
Didn't you see The Dark Knight? What kind of DC shitposter doesn't see The Dark Knight?

>>88310515
>thinking house mugga will rebel
Ayy. She'll pull Sam Jackson Unchained and stand around while people are gassed & sterilized.

>>88310752
I was making fun of the fact that Marvel tries to push that Rightclops was evil meme and the unlikeliness that they would put Storm in the same position.

I would really like Storm to develop into a complex character like Scott, but I don't hold much hope.

>>88310767
Marvel isn't sabotaging their characters, This thing with Rightclops wasn't blindly stumbled into.
That willful ignorance meme has to stop.
It's been done before, like that The Dark Knight example, Nolan wasn't the first storyteller to tell the martyr's tale. Marvel knew what they were doing.
And as for putting Storm through those same paces, why not? She's the default leader of the persecuted mutant people now, that's a role where the hard choices end with you being vilified for the rest of your life.

hey X-fags
how is Millar's run?

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>>88310849

>>88310849
>reading Ultimate anything

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>>88309092
Scott wouldn't have been the leader for so long if every little deadly situation or radical image change got a rise out of him.

>>88310882
>56
One day we'll have to share folders, anon.

>>88301031
Most of them chose to opt out of keeping their upgrades, the mirror made Bobbi gay to punish them.
I'm not joking, read the comic where they gave up the powers, the cute Space (and I can't remember the name of what she looks like, someone will tell me and link to this post so check the replies) said that as the powers were meant to be a gift returning them may offend and get a curse then Jean commented that it had "changed their hearts."

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>>88310888
I don't think my collection of Cyclops imagery is anything impressive.

>>88310897
Where's this from? Who's the bottom guy? WHERE ARE HIS EYES?

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>>88310905
>Where's this from?
Ah, by coincidence I just remembered I saved a title page from that story line.
>Who's the bottom guy?
Steve Rogers
>WHERE ARE HIS EYES?
It is just dark, so they are covered in shadow.

>>88310897
Ha. If you close one eye and tilt your head, he looks like whitewashed Mister Terrific.

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>>88310896
Jeanie was clearly only talking about Trannyclops in that scene.
He was the only one who didn't keep some kind of physical change,
Warren had the wings of flame,
Groot had a new bark look,
BOBBY was no longer a snowman but now had a solid ice body (there's a gay pun somewhere in that)
but Scott looked the same, so he asked why he had no physical changes, and that prompted that answer that led Jean to telepathically snoop.

If you want bonus points you might notice that in the Cyclops miniseries Tykeclops has an up-beat and positive outlook all throughout, and becomes more negative and uncertain in the comics after the mirror.

>>88310959
Thanks, anon
:^)

>>88310515
Not that guy, but Emma is clearly the one setting things up on the X-men's side.

>>88310959
Damned ReadComicOnline 404ed before I finished reading that Negative Zone annual crossover...
Would it have been worth the effort?

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>>88311049
It was a fun read.

>>88311062
Love that guy. He was never quite so good until he was with the X-Men.

>>88310832
>Marvel isn't sabotaging their characters,
>That willful ignorance meme has to stop.
>joke's on us, Marvel was just pretending to be retarded
>for 4 years

>>88311097
Long play, nigga.

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>>88311093
Agreed.

>>88311106
Just another 16 years or so til they go "Gotcha!".

>>88310632
You are way off on Logan.
He hates Scott because he can't get a good read on him, there are no other people like Scott Summers, so Logan can't predict his behavior from past experiences and that makes his animal instincts agitated, and that agitation causes aggression, and things spiral from there.
Summers is all about repressing impulses and Logan is all about following instinct.
But Schism was about the kids, Logan is damned for all the crap he's done, and he's prepared to damn himself a hundred times over, but allowing anyone else to slip into that same hell is intolerable to him.
Scott is about all or nothing. The whole community fights or it all dies.
It always came down to if you sacrifice the soul to save the life, or sacrifice the life to save the soul.
Logan was willing to risk everyone's death to allow children to keep their childhoods.
Scott never had a childhood, he doesn't get it.

>>88309990
> implying pre disney xmen didn't have slice of life and downtime moments. Muggas play baseball and basketball lot.

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>>88311272
I always thought it was bullshit how Logan (why don't we call him James?) just took all the kids and a bunch of X-men and left after Schism. No vote, no discussion about what they thought Scott was doing wrong, just take the most vulnerable people in their community back to the school that became a kill box.

>>88311312
A mutant-made island is just as easy to nuke as a school.

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>>88311331
Not when you've got some of the biggest badasses in the world on the island.

>>88311331
If muties only mindfucked people into not nuking them...

Is Rachel a good character? I've read about 2/3 of X-men comics since 2006 but I haven't gone back much.

In fact I probably wouldn't even consider myself an X-fan, just a shitty marvel zombie.

If possible, post a run involving her that I can just jump in on.

>>88311590
See, her bestest stuff is from back then. Excalibur and shit.

>>88311590
She's cool, but underutilized because she's usually pushed down the telepath priority list by characters like Emma, Jean, Psylocke, Cuckoos, etc. Her back story is more complicated than any of them and her character isn't as easily defined.

Hell, that's probably the whole reason for her new image thing

>>88311590
During Secret Wars 2 (Uncanny X-Men 203) she absorbs all the x-mens powers and lifeforce against their will to because powerful enough to fight the beyonder.

And Uncanny X-Men 207, Wolverine kills her (she survives though)

Probably her two best issues before joining Excalibur.