November 2016 Comic Book Sales Report - Top 10's

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>Marvel Comics was November’s top publisher with a 38.08% dollar share and a 39.46% unit share. DC Entertainment was the month's number two publisher with a 26.17% dollar share and a 31.30% unit share. At number three was Image Comics with an 8.99% dollar share and a 9.06% unit share. IDW Publishing was fourth with a 5.23% dollar share and a 4.59% unit share, followed by Dark Horse Comics with a 3.65% dollar share and 2.85% units share.


Sauce: http://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/1/3/597?articleID=119353

>>88291083
Marvel's Jewish tactics worked yet again. But they can only work for so long.

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Publisher market shares and comparative sales statistics.


Note that this report covers only orders made by North American Diamond accounts.

>>88291078
>MARVEL: THE HIP-HOP COVERS VOLUME 1 HC (MAR)
Man, people are seriously buying that overpriced thing?

>>88291109
We said this before and it never pans out.
Jewish tricks always win anon.

>>88291078
>5. UNBELIEVABLE GWENPOOL VOL. 1: BELIEVE IT TP (MAR)
MEGAFAG BTFO

> 6. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: RENEW YOUR VOWS #1 (MAR)
YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEREREEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSDDSSDSDSSDDDDSDSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>88291109
Marvel literally didn't do anything they haven't always done. They didn't react to DC's push in any way.

DC is a failed publisher. That's all. The things they print are unpopular.

> 1. PAPER GIRLS VOLUME 2 TP (IMA)
OH HELL YES BABY!

GOOD COMICS ARE SELLING!!!

>>88291078
>RYV is the only Spider-Man title in the top 10.
OMD retcon when?

>>88291189
I read only the first 2 issues
Does it keep good?

>>88291078
>1. BATMAN #10 (DC)
>> 2. BATMAN #11 (DC)
Emo Batman is 1?

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Yfw the only top ten dc books are all batman.Has DC been put in it's place

>Batman, Number 1s, an events.
This is like the most stagnate and predictable industry every.

>>88291078
>DC: Batman
>Marvel: #1's and retarded events
>TWD
Business as usual.

>Star Wars comics completely fell out of the top ten
HA HA

HA HAHA HA

HA HA

>D.C. back on top
>RYV in top 10 (Thank goodness, I was really worried about this)

Based.

>>88291284
But they're the top books. And all the Marvel books are #1s and events

>>88291251
Oh boy does it ever, it only gets better with every issue, I swear to god its amazing!

>>88291323
>terrible #1s and shitty events
Fixed.

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>>88291078
>literally give most of their comics for free
>still counts as a sell this inflating their sales number to make it seem lik they are still doing good

>>88291078
>Batman x4
>event x2
>#1s x3
This industry sucks

>>88291327
Yeah, you said the same about Saga...

>>88291323
This means only the batbooks have held Onto the rebirth hype,All those rebirths ages screaming that rebirth is proof the #1s and events would never recover have been BTFO

>>88291188
Really? When Marvel is pubblishing 4 new events every month, and dozens of number ones, with variant covers and other shitty gimmicks, what you expect. Marvel doesn't dominates because of the quality of their stories, but because of marketing tricks, that unfortunately the comic fags (who instead of readers, they are collectors) are falling to. I would like to see for once if Marvel could keep their titles for more than number 10, and without events, if the sales would be the same.

>>88291362
I think you have me confused with someone else but I am pretty sure Saga is also among the absolute best comic books publishhed today.

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>>88291188
Remind me which publisher almost went bankrupt in the 90s.

>>88291327
You sound like a tumblrite.

>>88291390
Why do you Image shills always shill for the same old shit? Image has better books than BKV's, you know.

>>88291078
Hahaha, Marvel wins again? This shit is hilarious.

>>88291380
They also use their Disney money to give away most of their stock away for free to inflate their sales numbers. Also varients.

>>88291467
>Marvel wins again?
Nope.

>>88291288
This.

The comic book industry is so fucking predictable. These 3 things are what sell among the comic book readers. Ah and variant covers. Are the comic book readers such idiots really to buy a book because of variant covers?

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>4/10 comics are Batman
can't make this shit up

>>88291412
Now they have Disney money. They can now give away all their terrible comics for free without worrying about going bankrupt. Wouldn't surprise me if it's a part of their plane to crash the industry (again).

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>if it doesn't have Batman, a big fat #1 on the cover, a bunch of variants, or isn't event related then it probably won't sell

Comic book """"""""fans""""""""" were a mistake.

>>88291130
I went to my shop once, and sure enough, a guy was collecting them.

>>88291489
Cheer up, Rai. Remember that your publisher cannot die from bad sales, like Marvel.

Where's DidioHope! Anon?Hiding till The tide turns again like the rat he is?

>>88291501
For this reason i boycott everything Mouse related.

>>88291445
And you sound like a /pol/ crossposter.

>>88291501
>They can now give away all their terrible comics for free
Even better: they could turn Marvel comics into webcomics, and so they'd save paper. Ike, are you reading this?

>>88291528
The rat is actually the symbol of your company shill.

Where's Champions?

>>88291462
If you say so.

I do know Paper Girls is amazing though.

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>>88291528
>> 1. BATMAN #10 (DC)
>> 2. BATMAN #11 (DC)
>> 4. ALL STAR BATMAN #4 (DC)
>> 7. BATMAN ANNUAL #1 (DC)
Sorry, busy at the gym.

>Champions not in the top 10

Wow, who could have ever guessed that happening!

>>88291553
Apparently pulled a Guardians of Infinity

>>88291553
In the trash where it belongs

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>>88291560
>>88291445

>>88291547
Or this.

>>88291564
>>literally all the dc books on top are batman.This is some how hopeful and good.

>>88291553
>>88291574
So it's like every other non-Batman non-Event book. Shocking.

>>88291594
Apparently Batman fans are the only ones that bother to read comics

>>88291574
Don't worry, they are giving Champions #3 out or free. It's here to stay.

>>88291591
Funny how people who hate Image always make the worst posts.

Really makes you think

>>88291412
Name?

>>88291622
Sadly true.
>BOO HOO WHY DON'T THEY MAKE A BOOK ABOUT THIS CHARACTER
>DC publishes it
>the whiners don't buy it, it's canceled
>BOO HOO WHY DID THEY CANCEL IT

>>88291188
>The things they print are unpopular
They've had most of the top-ten selling comics every month this year since June.

> people cheering marvel
> champions was #1 last month
> didnt even make top 10 this month

you guys never learn
always celebrating a thing that does not exist
marvel is giving free copies of their books and it is making in the actual numbers

>>88291636
>you hate my Safe Space Comics!
No, I just dislike SJWs.

>>88291674
>if it has literary value, it's sjw
Capefags, everyone.

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>>88291694
>tumblr propaganda
>literary value

>>88291083
I don't know much about selling comics, but isn't it kind of counter-intuitive for Marvel to have more market share when DC has had almost all the top ten sellers for months now?

>>88291726
>comics of actual quality
>"""""""PROPAGANDA""""""
Capeshit man, it rots your brain.

>>88291670
>marvel is giving free copies of their books and it is making in the actual numbers
Yep. Also hundreds of variants with specific requirements.

>>88291748
Those variant requirements are the real cancer of the comic industry.

>Order 150% of [Dying Book] in order to be eligible for Hip Hop variant of [Book everyone wants]
It's just inflating shit and forcing shops to buy shit they don't want/can't sell.

>>88291654
If Marvel continously oversaturates the market eith new #1s, events and variant covers, each month, plus giving away their stock for free, it doesn't leave much room for other books, characters, or pubblishers to breathe. The minor characters are condamned from the beginning. So DC is forced to concentrate to the books that sell. Which means more Batman.

P.s. The people that buy the garbage called Civil War II are doing a disservice, to the whole industry.

>>88291745
>TRIGGERED.jpg
Drunk some black tranny semen, it will calm you.

>>88291694
>comics
>literary value
Name some """mature""" comics for """mature""" gentleman such as yourself.

>>88291728
Marvel gives away free comics to inflate their numbers since Diamond still counts it as a sell even if they give it out for free. They want to keep the illusion that Marvel is in perfect shape even though books like Mosaic and Solo are tanking. And they got the money to do so. It's why you see Marvel creators on twitter (like Spencer and Slott) Butthurt over DC's Rebirth despite Marvel """"selling"""" more than DC.

>>88291078
>>88291083

"Marvel is doomed! Bleeding Cool told me so!" cries /co/, increasingly nervous, for the 12th time this year.

>Marvel back on top

Now can the pro-DC shills shut the fuck up about Marvel being doomed and just talk about the comics, not the stupid company wars bullshit?

>>88291489
Cute little cyber ninja.

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>>88291827
>Marvel is doomed!
Yes, to eternal relaunches and events and free comics that no one wants. A fate worse than death, if you ask me.

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>>88291834
Haha, silly anon, what would they talk about if they couldn't talk about how much they hate marvel

>>88291795
That mad, huh?

>>88291834
Marvel comics are garbage. And Marvel doesn't give a shit about comics, only about sales. So yes to company wars, because that exactly what Marvel and their shills want.

>>88291564
Fucking DChads and their... gyms.

>>88291834
>implying Marvel isn't doomed still

>>88291876
>no, your the shill!

Fuck right off. It's this kind of mentality that is shitting up the board

>>88291564
>Sorry, busy at the gym.
Underrated.

>>88291872
>>88291866
>>88291834
The mouse is rabid indeed.

>>88291594
it's not called Detective Comics Comics for nothing, you know

>>88291884
Marvel is safe. They have Disney money to give away free comics to inflate sales. They will crash the industry before letting anyone beat them again (with no survivors)

>>88291929
Enjoy then the next Bendis event you brainless idiot. People like you are responsable, for the garbage comics that Marvel delivers nowdays. And don't miss the next variant and #1.

>>88291539
The lesser of 2 evils to be quite honest desu.

>>88291983
Once Ike sees that the comics are no longer profitable, the publisher is dead.

>>88291834
>Literally giving away comics so they can stay "on top"
Lol no still doomed.

>>88291323
>And all the Marvel books are #1s
every marvel book is a #1 now

>>88291511
The real fault lies with the floppy comic book format and business model (Diamond).

>>88292020

>I get my news from twitter because that's where the FACTS are!

Mmm, telling.

>>88291078
The sad part is that Marvel are ahead by about 11%. DC wasn't ahead by this much when they were dominating. Rebirth has been a piece of crap but still... Marvel is pure unfiltered shit.

>>88292048
Yes, twitter accounts that belong to comic shops. Unless you prefer to think comic shops conspire against your precious mouse?

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>>88291654
Fuck you. I'm not going to be guilt tripped for being a trade waiter. Floppy comics are terrible.

>>88292068
>Marvel sucks, but hey, so does DC!
Adorable.

>>88292121
Nice to meet you, collector of dead comics.

>>88292121
You should feel guilty. And yeah, it's terrible but you knew what you were getting into.

>DCfags would rather see DC fail than Batman selling

Woah, what a terrible fanbase. I feel bad for DC.

>>88292123
It's the sad truth.

>>88292121
>floppies are shit so it's ok if I get reprinted shit
Help me decipher this?
Why not just pirate exclusively?

>>88292165
>my opinions are truth
Everytime.

>>88292159
It could be worse; the fanbase could have been replaced by unpaid shills and /tv/ fags, like happened to Marvel remember Marvel? neither do I.

>Batman
>Batman
>and Batman

This reminds me of a radio ad I heard not too long ago. It was an Loot Crate ad and big name nerd brands were referenced to wet listener's appetite. What struck me how the Marvel name itself was used for hype, while only the Batman brand was there to represent DC.

People are not hyped about DC superheroes the same way they are for Marvel's. To many, DC just means Batman.

>>88292200
Trade paperbacks or hardcovers are where it's at. I'm not a poor NEET who has to download comics so I don't have to leave my house.

>>88291078
> 6. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: RENEW YOUR VOWS #1 (MAR)
I thought Slott's ASM beat this? Did Varients or free copies increase it's sales?

Not that I'm complaining since it's a good book.

But I have a feeling it's going to quickly fall off the charts like Champions. And I don't think Marvel will want to keep it around like Champions (why must being a MJfan be full of suffering?!!!)

>>88292213
Shut up, you event devouring pleb.

>>88291078
Slott crying wojak when?

>>88291501
and that's exactly why the retarded Diamond chart says they're on top now despite DC dominating the top ten most of the year.

A lot of marvel is bad and they relaunched a lot of books, but not all of them. They have plenty of continuing series and not all they publish is given away for free / at cancellation numbers. Lets calm the fuck down, why is everyone so angry? I read all the big three publishers and DC events and big books are just as bad. Suicide squad, justice league and batman are terrible books and so are their events. Its what's needed to get sales. It sucks but I dont bash the entire publisher, just the individual writers. All this shitposting shows dc fans as childish and no, thinking that marvel can have two or three good series doesnt make you a pay employee.

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>>88292340
>Big Three

Hello Kirkman

>>88292227
Marvels fans are the same as dc. The difference is dc fans call you a shill if you like marvel and not the other way.

there is no bigger mark of retardation than buying Diamond numbers as the gospel.

Of course, it's all marvelcucks have left...

>>88292310
RYV will fall off the top ten charts because it will no longer be a #1 (also the hundred varients helped).

Slott also knows how to trick people with the whole "EVERYTHING WILL CHANGE" event/controversy to sell his book. And is the main important book.

I'm sorry, anon. Slott is here to stay for years and years and years.

Hopefully physical and digital sales can keep RYV alive.

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>>88292340
>big three

>>88292355
I know image sells less, I just didn't know how to word it because english is my second language. Sorry.

>>88292387

if only they could have twitter accounts and bleeding cool, like DC.

>>88292360
>not the other way
lmao

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>>88292340
>big three

>>88292360
>Not the other way around
Lmfao good one

>>88292404
the words of actual retailers are unironically better than a system that counts comics given away for free

not that I'd expect a marvelcuck to understand how disgustingly anti-distributor they are

>>88291078
Mah...Batman is one of less interesting comic of the Rebirth. Why sell so much?

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>>88291674
>boogeymen! Boogeyman as far as the eye can see!

>>88292430
Nobody calls dc fans shills.

>>88292439

>I believe everything I read on twitter, the poster

shouldn't you be chasing down Hillary's child sex pizzeria ring?

>>88292456
You can literally google DCShills and get threads about it.

>>88292454
>boogeyman boogeyman

>>88292441
Because it's Batman and people will keep buying it even it's bad.

>>88292469
Says the anon who believes anything Marvel says on twitter.

>>88292469
comic retailers have no reason to lie about how badly Marlel books are doing, Pedosta

you'll have to show some proof they are lying that isn't a chart cooked with free comics given away

>>88292235
Anon, you don't have to leave your house to get trades...

You sound like you could easily be an insecure basement dweller that relies on autismbux. Why is the NEET thing your first instinct to comment on in defense instead of maybe just enjoying the feel of physical copies.

This still doesn't addresses the fact that you're still buying reprinted shit.

>>88291078
>DC is only represented by Batman again
So, the hype behind Rebirth finally died out eh? That sucks, DCfags could have used a little more time in the sun.

>>88292488
>>88292501

Ah yes, Diamond is in the pocket of Marvel, right. That's why DC did better those two months in the middle of the year with Rebirth. It was probably just Marvel's clever scheme to make Diamond LOOK like they're a neutral third party, right?

>>88292441
For real? Because it's Batman. He's one of the few characters DC makes an effort to push, so yeah he does well. He's also extremely popular thanks to the Nolan movies, the JL cartoon, and other shit.

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>>88292340
>Image
>big
Literally "for you"

>>88292553
>probably just Marvel's clever scheme to make Diamond LOOK like they're a neutral third party
If you don't defend this, you don't deserve working for the Mouse.

>>88292553
>Ah yes, Diamond is in the pocket of Marvel, right
no one said that, it's just a broken system, factually

>>88292553
You're delusional if you don't think Marvel is artificially inflating their numbers. We KNOW they are, retailers are saying so.

>>88292518
>Why is the NEET thing your first instinct to comment on in defense instead of maybe just enjoying the feel of physical copies.
Because bait begets bait. I'm not ignorant enough to respond to shitposting with a serious response.

>>88292541
On one hand it sucks that Marvel's Jewish tricks are once again being rewarded. On the other DC has a few events of their own coming up. Superman: Reborn, JL vs SS, and that summer Bat-event. Now that they've regained the goodwill they lost those will probably sell well.

>>88292541
>people liking the classics
Yeah, disgusting.

>>88292388
>Slott is here to stay for years and years and years.
Really though that all depends on how long he'll live. Have you seen him?

>>88291109

Rebirth's shine is starting to wear off that's all.

>>88292697
>Marvel can only triumph if DC fails
Poor Marvel.

>>88292697

I'm sure DC will get a bump when they do another relaunch next year. DCYouToo!

>>88292330
But it's a sales chart, it shows that Marvel outsells them dramatically, and the reason for this is because stores are still buying marvel stuff.

Old and new alike.

>>88292697
keep repeating often enough, doesn't become true, etc.

>DC finally doing great

>mock Marvel fans

>Marvel claws back up, in spite of CW2 being awful

>DC fans have a fit

Holy shit, why are you people so fucking sensitive?

>>88292764
Marvel fans shouldn't be happy that CWII and IVX are doing well either.

>>88292791

I'm not happy about it.

>>88292791
>Marvel fans
They're gone, Jim.

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>>88291078

> 5. UNBELIEVABLE GWENPOOL VOL. 1: BELIEVE IT TP (MAR)

THIS BOOK WILL NEVER DIE. Unless they change the creative team.

>>88292388
I think RYV will do fine even if it drops off. It's got a popular status quo and a well liked writer, it's trying to concentrate on covering fresh ground while all Slott is doing is rely on shock tactic member berry juice.

>>88292823
I was surprised to see it that high. I don't think it's great, but it's not hot garbage like squirrel girl or hellcat. It's just kind of there.

>>88292764
because dc sucks, and has sucked for a long time. I'm not sure what it is, if it's the feel of the characters, or if they don't get enough good stories, or if they don't have enough memeorable characters outside fo the justice league or what.

Dc comcis are filled with a lot of gods, space missions, unrelateable characters, and really bizzarre events. It doesn't help that most of thier heroes don't feel fresh anymore, they feel like heroes that belong inside a comic books comic book at this point.

Marvel has the same problems, but they seem to get a lot more diamonds in the rough than DC does, where dc seems to be mostly 23 batman books and a superman book, with the very rare animal man typer story every once in a while. I guess they read like the comic book version of the kid trying to act like the cool kids to be one, but they never quite get it. But then you rememerb they were there longer and you start to wonder how they've been so shit for so long.

>GRAH I'M SO MAD COMPANY WARS
These threads are the worst ones on /co/

>>88292854
Nice pasta, bro.

>>88292854
>Marvel has the same problems, but they seem to get a lot more diamonds in the rough than DC does
that's fucking rich

I used to be like you

>>88291564
<3 ya Dan

>>88291991
>Implying I'm a Marvel fan
>Implying I'm not just tired of constant company wars nonsense

You're making DCfags look bad. Cut it it out

>>88292854
>because dc sucks, and has sucked for a long time. I'm not sure what it is

I'll tell you what it is, it's the New52. Killed the brand. Got rid of decades of beloved canon and characters, replaced them with reprocessed garbage and confusing timelines (I STILL don't know what's canon in Green Lantern anymore).

But /co/ will continue to defend because it has to be contrarian.

>>88292856
Nah, the worst ones are company wars between movie studios.

Those fucking losers don't even read the $5 funny pages.

>>88291078
> 6. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: RENEW YOUR VOWS #1 (MAR)

AMERICANS YOU HAVE ONE JOB. DON'T SCREW THIS UP.

>>88292872
Guess that car accident real did a number on your higher brain functions huh.

>>88292899
>it's the New52
Hi, bot. Did they forget to reprogram you after the New 52 ended?

>>88292894
>Implying I'm a Marvel fan
Well, you are attacking DC and defending Marlel.

>>88292918
2edgy4me

>>88292845
I heavily enjoy it, so I was pleasantly surprised to see it on the top ten.

>>88292791
This. As a Marvel fan I hate that their low quality output is rewarded. It only encourages them to continue putting out a subpar product.

>>88292854
>Dc comcis are filled with a lot of gods, space missions, unrelateable characters, and really bizzarre events.

What exactly is the problem with this? I sure as hell don't relate to Green Lantern at all, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying the character/lore.

>>88292918
no one that thinks Marvel's current output is quality has room to talk about brain functions

>>88292980
He says DC should be boring tumblr propaganda like Marvel.

>>88291983
Please, they're a subsidiary company. Marvel gets too bad Disney will gut the company and run it directly.

>>88292899
/co/ was mostly dissatisfied with the New52 until Rebirth outside of a handful of fringe titles. Rebirth is better. I've gone from no titles to any.
On the Marvel side, I've gone from several titles to none, and now to just a small few across the same time period.

>>88292930

The New52 never ended, that's the whole point of Rebirth, numbnuts. They brought back Wally West (and deaged him, and got rid of his marriage, oh wait why were we happy about this again?)

>>88293001
Who said the main stuff was? If you had any brain function you'd know I covered that in the post.

>>88291347
>Giving away Mosaic

Fuck, I wish I knew this comic store.
Been reading them because I find the premise interesting. Shame the writing just isn't that good.

>>88293008
Not at all, keep thinking that while you wank to joker's stapled on face though.

>>88291078
>Marvel "Wins"
>literally 3 different events ongoing
>a shit ton of #1s
>Still lower compared to last year
nice victory

>>88293120
very little of their stuff is, and it's way less than what DC is putting out right now.

That's just fact man.

>>88291258
>>1. BATMAN #10 (DC)
>>> 2. BATMAN #11 (DC)
>Emo Batman is 1?

batman is batman

>>88291412
>Remind me which publisher almost went bankrupt in the 90s.

tell the one that almost got published by the rivel because of lackluster sales

>>88292042
I think the trades and the japs got it right desu. Maybe they should cut floppy sales to bare minimum and start only producing trades.


Seriously, who the hell buys a 4$ comic anymore, the whole appeal of comics back in the day was that they were super cheap adventures. Now you pay 4$ for Bendis to pander to whatever demographic he's pushing that day.

Nobody cares about this stuff.

We need more stuff like the killing joke, death of captain marvel, the dark knight returns, etc. Now that marvel's got all that disney money they can totally experiment now. I mean fuck, have some of thier competent writers design some modular arcs or something. Have a clear cut plan.

>>88293141
>fact
>subjective opinion
yeah, you really did get worked over by that car.

>>88293077
People are reading it hoping his marriage will come back when the time comes to end the Rebirth era. The whole phase is about dangling hope in front of readers as well as instilling faith in the characters again, the belief that they can work their way back to where they were.

It's the same with me and Nightwing. I want Dick and Babs to remember they got married in Convergence, but Babs a whore at the moment.

>>88293446
ebin xD

>>88293466
>Dickbabs
disgusting

>>88293446
Nah, it's fact.

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>> 6. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: RENEW YOUR VOWS #1 (MAR)
>Clone conspiracy nowhere to be seen
MAKE SPIDER-MAN GREAT AGAIN

>>88292068
>shi

marvel has some good books, shut up fag

>>88293554
No it doesn't.

>>88293407
trades can't have ads, it'll never ever replace floppies. You do realize, Death of Captain Marvel? Dark Knight Returns? those examples you've listed were all originally floppies right? Don't be a fucking idiot.

>>88292553
>Ah yes, Diamond is in the pocket of Marvel, right.

even on comics people come with stupid "disney buying x"

>>88292930
>Well, you are attacking DC and defending Marlel.

I'm not attacking or defending anyone you autistic shit. Marvel is publishing mostly bad books but is once again doing well sales wise due to gimmicks and bullshit. DC is publishing mostly decent books but is back at #2 and only has Batman in the top ten. Same as pre Rebirth numbers. Now hopefully all the pro DC shitposting about sales can end everyone can go back to discussing the comics, not the sales

>>88293576
>

of course it have.

>>88291078
>The Killing Joke not in the top 10

Is this the end times?

>>88293632
never will as long as Bleeding Cool's Wednesday Warrior Article and Retailer Twitter Feeds show that DC's still on top where it most counts. As far as /co/'s concerned literally the reason Marvel's up top is because of incentive variants and them giving away free copies of all their books.

>>88293407
The manga industry works waaaay different from the comics industry. For one thing the latter doesn't work themselves to death. It's just easier to get into manga than it is comics. people trying to get into comics has this pre-conceived notion that they need to read EVERYTHING important about a character before they can truly start and that's too much effort.

>>88293466
>People are reading it hoping his marriage will come back
No, you faggot. I'm hoping he will be free of that containment book and appear in the fucking main title he lead for TWENTY YEARS. Marriage is so low on the priority, it's hilarious.

>>88291078
> Batman books
> relaunches
> TWD

Where is the failure part?

>>88292501
They HAVE no reason, but there IS a reason they do it, and it's called fanboyism.

It's a common thing in comic books, and truth is that if Marvel gave away comics for free and counted them as sales that would reflect on the dollar share.

>>88293129
The premise is interesting, but the writing is awful. Like, I wouldn't have given a second thought about Mosaic being a black male had they not introduced him as a basketball star with a bitchy white girlfriend. I feel like I've read that trashy pulp novel in a Walmart aisle at least three times already.

>>88293585
>trades can't have ads
Tell that to Action Labs/Danger Zone.

>>88291078
Marvel on suicide squad... I mean, suicide watch

>>88292854
Jesus this is casualdom: the post

>>88294258
I've just read about him. Isn't he just Deadman, but alive (and black)?

doesn't marvel give their comics for free?

Okay so I'm curious, didn't marvel start handing out free comics to their buyers in order to 'increase their sales margin'?

>>88294381
>>88294350
Yes, read the thread.

>>88294402
Provide proof dc bitch.

>>88291127
>the most important bit of sales info in the thread doesn't get a single reply

>>88291412
Remind me which publisher's had a sugar daddy company since the 60's and we'll talk.

>>88294346
He's black teen Deadman without an actual "Deadman" form; he zaps between bodies directly, without floating around in a red jumpsuit.

>>88294416
There you have it:
>>88291347
Like I said, read the thread.

>>88291078
>> 2. MARVEL: THE HIP-HOP COVERS VOLUME 1 HC (MAR)
man not even DC Bombshells art book did this good even though it's 10x better lol
I think they came out the same month

>3. DC SUPER HERO GIRLS VOL. 2: HITS AND MYTHS TP (DC)
i wonder when they're gonna start making these more expensive now that they now people actually buy these

>5. UNBELIEVABLE GWENPOOL VOL. 1: BELIEVE IT TP (MAR)
i wish DC could shit out a waifu and have it sell buttloads
Marvel's done it when both Gwens and yet dc won't do the same thing for some reason

> 8. VISION VOL. 2: LITTLE BETTER THAN BEAST TP (MAR)
yesssss
hardcover with both trades together when
both trades sold well so you know marvel will do it
maybe when the new avengers movie comes out

>>88294350
>>88294381
>>88294416
See >>88291347. I don't believe you'll be seeing the numbers on the charts until December sales are published in January, unless the same unit-gouging happened in November as well.

>>88293787
> people trying to get into comics has this pre-conceived notion that they need to read EVERYTHING important about a character before they can truly start and that's too much effort.

The main selling point of DC Rebirth was that it was targeting longtime DC readers at the expense of newcomers.

Batman is the worst book in the bat-line

How can it be so high when RHATO exists.

>>88291078
>6. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: RENEW YOUR VOWS #1 (MAR)

Slott on suicide watch

>>88294552
It's the best of the batline which isn't saying much because the batline sucks... And Rebirth sucks too.

Eh, given that IvX was given for free, I wonder why it's even charting?

>>88294552
>he thinks RHATO is good

Just because it's not dogshit anymore doesn't mean it's good

>>88291078
Hold on a second, wasn't Avengers relaunched that month? IVX #0 got more orders than it?

>>88294666
Stuff given for free still charts.

>>88294718
but that skews the statistics
also, marvel is giving away mosaic #2 and #3 for free, to match the sales of #1. It's just bullshit.

How many more books is Marvel printing than DC?

was two times or three times as much?

>>88294666
it's almost like Diamond is fundamentally flawed.

But apparently retailers in a precarious business can't be trusted because they're all fanboys.

>>88294765
but that's the thing, isn't it?
wasn't marvel supposed to be business, instead of charity?

If you can't see how this is Marvel's Convergence, (an event that used extraordinary sales goosing tactics in order to dump tons of unsellable books onto angry retailers) then you are a complete and total simp.

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>>88294764
They put a lot of their new launches in this month. People in this thread also forget that Renew Your Vows and Venom #1 had 1:1000 variants for their first issue launches and that the Diamond charts are for preorders, not neccesarily sales to walk-in customers.

>>88294835
outside of their events, their comics are flopping

>>88294600
I'm glad it's up there. I know it probably won't stay up there, but I'm just glad Peter and MJ are together. It's definitely more enjoyable than Clone Conspiracy.

>Graphic novels monopolize publisher slates, retailer budgets in slow November

>Publishers always look to November as a time for graphic novels, and that was the case this month in what is almost certainly record fashion: Diamond Comic Distributors shipped 436 new graphic novels in November 2016 -- while on the periodical side, the market-leading publishers didn't increase their output to take advantage of a fifth shipping week.

>Those appear to be among the major factors contributing to what was, in overall terms, a disappointing month -- especially so since sales were off 4.25% versus a November last year that only had four shipping weeks. (While I'm a guest this weekend at Paradise City Comic Con, it's an unusual enough result that I took some time to look at it.) In the Direct Market, a better month for graphic novels doesn't always have to mean overall sales are down, but since only one in three dollars in comics shops comes from GNs, the category has more work to do to offset losses in periodicals.

> Before getting further into the possible explanations, here are the aggregate changes. Retailers ordered $49.89 million in new comics and graphic novels in the month, down from $52.1 million last November:
(see chart in link)

http://blog.comichron.com/2016/12/graphic-novels-monopolize-publisher.html

>>88294992
>You can see right away a couple of important things. First, the dollar sales of new comics periodicals are off quite a lot more than the units are -- which suggests principally that the month's most popular offerings were lower-profile lower-priced titles. It also suggests what retailers have reported, that a number of specific Marvel titles have been receiving free overships of significant size. Monday's retail rankings will point to specific ones.

>Diamond sold 8.36 million new comics in November 2016, down from 8.91 million last year -- and that difference becomes more stark when you consider the number of weeks involved.
(another chart in link)

>As noted above, however, it's the release slates that have a lot to do with the numbers above. While publishers do not increase their periodical slates by 25% to accommodate a fourth week, they have in practice increased new offerings at least somewhat most such months. And by simple chance, late-shipping books from earlier in the year would get an additional week in which to appear. But what we find is that November's 518 new comics was actually a smaller number than we saw in four-week October!
(another chart)

i'm too lazy to post the charts

>>88295020
>Marvel and DC released slightly fewer comics this month versus last -- and the 103 average new comics per week overall is pretty low by 2016 standards. Image's new comics and graphic novel slates were slimmer by a greater margin, offering 11 fewer new comics this November versus last November and -- in a departure from the rest of the market -- only nine new graphic novels, its smallest roster in at least two years.

>Other graphic novel publishers, by contrast, went to town -- with 45 new Viz titles in November as compared with October. Titan published two graphic novels in October; in November, the number was 18. And the "other" category ballooned. If this volume increase explains the big leap in graphic novel sales, it well ought to affect comics unit sales, with only so many dollars to go around.

>DC has now cycled through most of its returnable windows for its Rebirth launches, and while that could also be a contributing factor to lower aggregate unit sales, it does seem more that the decline was spread more across the market evenly, suggesting most of those effects hit in October's charts. The market shares:
(another chart)

>The impact of DC's lower average prices this year can be seen in the dollar-to-unit share gap -- and that, too, has shaped the year-to-year comparisons.

>Finally, the Top 10s. Two regular Batman issues led the comics charts

>And on the graphic novel charts, we see that while Image didn't offer many new titles, it took the top slot with Paper Dolls Vol. 2:

>>88295050
>There does seem to be a heavier than normal degree of deep discounting in the graphic novels category as publishers sold books to retailers at lower-than-usual prices, but that's not unusual for this time of year.

>Finally with regard to November, under the heading of unusual correlations that probably don't mean anything, across all United States presidential election years since and including 2000, when the party in the White House wins another term, November's comics periodical unit sales have gone up, while a switch in party has in every case coincided with a down month. There's only five cases to look at and it's likely a spurious correlation, given that the vast majority of shipments represented are based on orders placed before the election result was known -- and in 2000, even that wasn't known for sure in November. But it is an interesting conversational piece.

>One more month to go in 2016, and with November's lackluster performance, it now looks like the year will end slightly better than flat -- and perhaps just missing the 100 million copy mark for new comics periodical orders. A finish up around 2% would match 2008, the last year of a strong cycle before a three-year recessionary stretch in comics; publishers and retailers alike certainly hope the resemblance ends there. Time will tell...

John Jackson Miller has tracked the comics industry for more than 20 years, including a decade editing the industry's retail trade magazine; he is the author of several guides to comics, as well as more than a hundred comic books for various franchises

nobody ever bothers with the comichron blog though it is very interesting to see somebody who knows what he's talking about

>>88294464
This is anecdotal evidence, not proof you meme loving faggot.

>>88295020
>>You can see right away a couple of important things. First, the dollar sales of new comics periodicals are off quite a lot more than the units are -- which suggests principally that the month's most popular offerings were lower-profile lower-priced titles. It also suggests what retailers have reported, that a number of specific Marvel titles have been receiving free overships of significant size. Monday's retail rankings will point to specific ones.

Well huh, they're noticing that.

>>88295107
>I-It's not real because it's "anectodal" evidence

kek

>>88294454
> teen Deadman

Do we even know his age? He's old enough to be in professional basketball and have a trophy gf, I assumed he was late 20s.

>>88295127
It's as valid as the ex-wb employee claiming WW production is a mess.

>>88295160
>Comparing multiple non-anonymous retailers who know and report what's selling at their store with one anonymous ex-WB employee

kek

WOW DC IS GETTING ASS BLASTED

A 12% MARKET SHARE LEAD IS BIGGER THAN ANY LEAD DC HAD DURING REBIRTH

THESE REBIRTH TITLES MUST BE TANKING LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER

HOPEFULLY DC WILL LEARN A LESSON AND STOP PUBLISHING SHITTY STORIES.

IF MARVEL SUCCESSFULLY REBOOTS THE X-MEN IT COULD GET REAL UGLY FOR DC

>>88295264
The non-anonymous retailers have no more credibility than Diamond though.

As stated, it is highly likely that they are letting their fanboyism cloud their judgement, they're easier to bribe and there is no indication whatsoever that marvel counts the free comics as sales.

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>>88291078
>Renew Your Vows made the top 10
Nice.

>>88295348
>T-They're just biased guys

kek

>>88295363
Probably have to wait a few months to see where it'll stay in the chart, I doubt it's going to stay in the Top 10 too long unless they actually do what DC did with Lois and Clark.

>>88295381
Just as biased as Rotten Tomatoes and Diamond.

>>88295318
>IF MARVEL SUCCESSFULLY REBOOTS THE X-MEN
so, DC is saved?

>>88295442
>I'm not from /tv/ guys, I'm really from /co/, watch me namedrop Diamond

Give it up, anon. No one is falling for it at this point.

>>88295472
For what?

I'm just pointing out how stupid you idiots sound when your best argument is a conspiracy that disney has paid off everyone that disagrees with you.

But once again, there's no reasoning with DCucks.

>>88295515
>Using DCucks

Yep, definitely from /tv/

>>88295363
Only because they gave it away for free
It'll be at 20k by issue 5

>>88295523
Did they? I know they gave out Mosaic and Solo iirc, but I didn't hear about Renew Your Vows being given out.

>>88295449

Who knows. Some of the creative teams look promising. Any X-men title has the possibility of being a consistent top ten title.

>>88291078
And once again Marvel and Batman rule the top 10, nothing surprising.

>>88295520
I might as well be from /d/, what the fuck do you care?

Can you argue against my point?

http://www.comicsbeat.com/2017-may-be-a-rough-year-for-comics-retail-and-the-industry-or-not/

>Are comics sales slipping or stagnating as we enter 2017? Some signs point to yes, as you can see from the November sales figures released earlier today. While the sales decline earlier in the year has been reversed to a net positive thanks to the Rebirth surge, as retailers Joe Field of Flying Colors tweeted earlier this week, there is a sense of worry out there. Field is the creators of Free Comic Book Day, a former ComicsPRO board member and a long time voice of reason within the industry:

>"w/ 24 days left, a few 2016 #comicmarket thoughts.Year started w/ some uncertainty, followed by so much progress & hope. If the 2nd half of ’16 was good as the 1st, we’d all have been thrilled! But things went off the rails a bit. Our market somewhat relies on inertia, so unpredictable publishing schedules damage consumer & retailer confidence. There's so much great stuff being published, but nothing is a "best seller." #Comicmarket could use a monster hit right now. #Comics fans, your Local Comic Shop appreciates you & needs you now more than ever. FlyCo fans, you know I love you! Word on the street is there will be a round of #comics shop closings in early '17. Only the support of fans can prevent that! Now is NOT the time to "wait for the trade." Your local retailer wants advance orders for #comics series you're excited about reading. Goal is not to complain, but to spur ALL of us to work harder & smarter & plan to make '17 #comics best year ever! We have that power!"

>Field is far from the only retailer who has been expressing concerns of late. I went in to one of my locals the other day and the store manager put it very simply : “It’s bad!”

>>88291380
>>88291412
>>88291664
This much denial, holy shit.

Marvel has always been the more popular publisher even when it was going bankrupt. That even happened because of an internal misuse of money and not because of bad sales.

I'm a DCfag but DC will always be number 2. They're just not as popular nor attractive as Marvel for people, no matter how /co/ likes them.

>>88292230
>People are not hyped about DC superheroes the same way they are for Marvel's. To many, DC just means Batman.

Sadly this is the only truth.

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>>88293528

>>88291078
> still gives shitty artists good books
> shills stupid books like suicide squad or teen titans over actually good books
> nothing happens: he book
> ruining manhattan hype with fucking abra kadabra

dc had it coming.

>>88295566
>Some of the creative teams look promising
you probably didn't lurk in the threads, did you?

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>>88295593
If it was ONE anonymous retailer complaining about it you'd have a point. But at least five retailers on Twitter, some more different ones on Bleeding Cool (both the ones who Rich reports on and the ones who comment on their posts) and now Heidi MacDonald reporting in that things are bad for her comic shop (which matches up with what this retailer was saying about his Diamond rep reporting that other stores are having problems)

At some point this goes past "anecdotal" evidence and into "Gee, maybe there's something happening here."

>>88295665
literally all DC books except Batman have great artists

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>>88294475
It's not like Gwenpool was an effortless thing.
They actually gave it a really good creative team, so there's more to it than just waifus.

>>88292899
Reboots are definitely bad for these characters. It's a bad choice. When a character is doing back you just don't scrap everything and start anew, no matter how /co/ wants to push this meme. DC always does this when Superman isn't selling well, nad they have rebooted Superman twice in less than a decade. It's insane. First by doing New 52 Superman and then bringing Superdad again which is a reboot of sorts. I bet they'll reboot him again once Superdad stops selling well.

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>>88295363
Whoops, wrong Shiggy.

>>88295665
>shills stupid books like suicide squad or teen titans over actually good books
I especially agree with this.

DC definitely had it coming.

>>88295792
>>88295665
Of course they would shill Suicide Squad this year, they had that movie out. If it doesn't sell well then they'll drop it.

>>88295806
What's their excuse with TT, then?

>>88295833
That I'm not even sure. Some attempt to get the Teen Titans Go crowd?

>>88295696

I'll give you some anecdotal evidence. My LCS' rack looks exactly like the New 52 days now.

DC needs to get back to their New 52 sales model but with better writers. Sure the titles are a dollar cheaper but they're also twice a month. So if I'm a Wonder Woman fan I have to spend $6 a month on Wonder Woman instead of $4 a month.

Even if I'm getting more story it is still more out of pocket money and less money to spend on another title. I'm less likely to be casual about say Harley Quinn because I also have to spend $6 on that title every month.

>>88292980
It's the way the characters are presented I guess. The main DC heroes are a bit old fashioned and they aren't as complicated or fallible as Marvel ones. It doesn't help at all that DC reboots a lot and they don't seem to focus on anything other than Batman. But it's a vicious circle, because Batman is the only thing that sells well, so naturally they're going to keep pushing that.

I've always liked DC more but I feel like a misfit for doing so. Most people I know enjoy Marvel more, and even the ones who try to tell me they also enjoy DC can't hide the fact that it just doesn't click as much with them as Marvel does.

Doesn't matter how hard DC writers try to shit on Batman people still like him

>>88295806
The way they treated Titans over TT is atrocious though, lack of ads or push for that title is criminal.

It's only fueled by character fags at this point.

>>88295863
>The main DC heroes are a bit old fashioned and they aren't as complicated or fallible as Marvel ones.

I was going to counter this with Wally West and Nightwing but one is exiled to a containment book while other is turned into Purity Sue.

>>88295833
TT are the characters for younger people
They need to push them to build their readership of tomorrow, just like they did in the 90s with Nightwing and previous titans.

>>88295833
It's attempt to push Damian which is going to end up with fans hating him even more.

>>88295833
They're trying to push Damian and the animated TT movie actually did well

Damian's solo did just fine so I'm baffled why they cancelled it

>>88295863
> It doesn't help at all that DC reboots a lot

2 times over 50 years. They do continuity touchups ala Zero Hour, but they've never actually rebooted more than twice.

>>88291078
>Top 10 is a mix of Batman and Marvel events/relaunches
Ah, so we're back to usual I see.

>>88296095
>Damian's solo
It did well at first because it was after the event of his resurrection.

Damian can't carry his own solo book for long and the animated aren't doing really well.

>>88291823
>books like Mosaic and Solo are tanking
This. If your a-listers like Mosaic and Solo aren't doing well then you KNOW you're in the shit.

>>88295913
I was talking about the core heroes, but yeah. DC could have flourished if they kept building those kind of characters a bit more, but they screwed it up over the previous decade I think.

>>88296274
>DC could have flourished if they kept building those kind of characters a bit more
Hey, an expert. Have you already sent your resume to DC?

>>88291487
>Are the comic book readers such idiots really to buy a book because of variant covers?
Speculators/collectors are, and it's speculators/collectors that'll spend more money on one "rare" comic than your average reader will spend on their entire pull so they're a pretty important group of shitters to pander to. If it wasn't for them, Marvel wouldn't have been making millions in the 90s.

Likewise, if it wasn't for them, the 90s comic crash wouldn't have happened. So there's that.

>>88291390
Aaaand opinion discarded, thanks.

>>88295863
>It doesn't help at all that DC reboots a lot
fucking newfag

>>88294454
>teen
He's in his like late 20s.

>>88296312
Oh fuck off. Don't tell me you're one of those faggots who really think that you can't criticize something if you don't have the job of the people you're criticizing. In that case we can't criticize politics nor movies nor fucking anything.

>>88295139
He's been playing for the pros for 5 years, so he's probably around 27-28.

>>88296397
Bad news, anon: the opinions of a neckbeard aren't worth shit.

>>88296363
I'm an avid DC reader since I'm 8 and I'm already 28 years old. Try harder with that meme fag.

Superman was rebooted in 1986 and again in 2011 and retrobooted again in 2016. This shit damages the character and the brand.

>>88295619
>I'm a DCfag but
This is the easiest way to spot Marvelshills. You faggots literally can't help yourselves. Every single time someone types "I'm a DCfag but" you can instantly tell they're a falseflagging Marvel shilltern.

>>88296425
Neither is yours, then.

>>88293585
>You do realize, Death of Captain Marvel? Dark Knight Returns? those examples you've listed were all originally floppies right?
Death of Captain Marvel was a Graphic Novel, not a floppy. Hell, it's famous for being Marvel's first (and best) Graphic Novel.

Marvel is like Luthor; always trying to destroy Superman, i.e. DC, and always failing.

Shit, I remember a Silver Age story where he managed to Kill Supes but in the process he also exterminated the human race

>>88296437
>28 years old
>still posting in 4chan
Darkseid was wrong. The Secret of Anti-Life is wasting your existence in capeshit.

>>88291770
>It's just inflating shit and forcing shops to buy shit they don't want/can't sell.
I genuinely do not see how this is Marvel's fault and not the retailers. WHY would the retailers keep buying variants if the incentives causes them to lose money? It doesn't make any sense. Marvel isn't forcing them to buy into the bullshit variant system, meaning the only reason they SHOULD buy into it is if they know for a fact they can get a return on investment by selling the variant for higher than the total cost of all the other comics.

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>>88296437
>I'm an avid DC reader
Pic related
>This shit damages the character and the brand
Superdad saved the Superman brand you retarded newfag. Superbro started off strong thanks to Morrison and then fucking tanked. Also
>3 reboots
>A lot
Holy shit you dumb fuck if you think that's terrible have I got some characters for you. Spidey along has been rebooted like 5 times with OMD being the most recent.

>>88296582
Protip: ask those "DC fans" to prove what they say, and you will see how they call you names instead. It never fails. Some get so mad that they even post pics of themselves holding comics they never read.

>>88292230
>To many, DC just means Batman.
They're literally Detective Comics. DC IS Batman. Everyone else is just Batman's extended supporting cast and the various spin-offs from that.

>>88296582
Spidey has never been rebooted, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>88296582
>Superbro started off strong thanks to Morrison and then fucking tanked.

Wouldn't have been better to keep building on Superbro instead of getting Superdad back again?

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>>88296719
Just like I thought, a retarded newfag who doesn't read comics. Fuck off.
>>88296755
Nope because Superdad feels more like a Superman comic than Superbro did once Morrison left.

>>88296755
Superbro was too far gone. Too unsympathetic and uninspiring.

Before DCYou and all that, they could have course-corrected with him, but they fucked him up further.

It wasn't impossible to fix, but it would have taken too long, and people wanted the iconic Superman back, especially after his image being further fucked up by the movies.

Yes, it was choosing "muh" vs hard work to make Superbro into the icon again, and they chose "muh". Even I have to admit, I loved seeing Superdad return.

>>88296702
>Marvel IS Spider-Man. Everyone else is just Spider-Man's extended supporting cast and the various spin-offs from that.

>>88297015

>tfw this used to be about the fantastic four and accurate

>>88296582
>Marvel
>ever rebooting

This is how you spot a casual

>>88296954
>people wanted the iconic Superman back, especially after his image being further fucked up by the movies.
Hi, /tv/.

>>88297040
OMD and Bendis say hi.

>>88297264
Fuck off, shill. Literally the only reason Marlel is doing "well" is #1s, events, handing out free copies (seriously, these numbers are mostly fake and I can guarantee that if they didn't pull these bullshit scams than they would barely have 20% of the market share IF THAT) and Star Wars.

>>88297056
>Hi, /tv/.

Go ahead, defend BvS.

And you know I'm right about readers wanting actual Superman back.

>OMD and Bendis say hi.
>Retcons are the same thing as reboots

>>88297490
>BleedingCool says Marvel is doing horribly and their comics aren't selling
>Literally every retailer on twitter that matters like based Big Bang Comics says Marvel is doing horribly and their comics aren't selling
>everyone on /co/ that isn't a blatant marvel shill says Marvel is doing horribly and their comics aren't selling
>Diamond, who have been known to goose and artificially increase Marvel sales numbers to make them look good in return for kickbacks, say Marvel is doing just so amazing guys look at how much they're selling just like wow isn't everyone loving SOLO XD
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is only cited by shills.

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>>88297472
OMD is a little of both. There was no explanation other than satan magic how Pete and MJ suddenly didn't get married or how Aunt May didn't die other than OMIT, but they still don't actually explain how it happened. Just that this was the new continuity. He's just suddenly back to working at The Bugle and alone.

>>88297597
>>88297574
>>88297490
>>88297472
>>88297435
>>88297264
>>88297056
>>88296954
What do you have to gain by staging a fake argument between yourself?

>>88297472
>Go ahead, defend BvS.
So it was a /tv/ drone after all. Nice to know.
>I'm right about readers wanting actual Superman back
Yeah, because you're one of them, right?

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>>88297490
>>88297574
>>88297620
Nice braying, donkey.

> 6. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: RENEW YOUR VOWS #1 (MAR)
This is very good. Hope it stay up next month.

>>88297721
SORRY BRO I DIDNT MEAN TO HURT YOUR FEELINGS BUT YOU HAVE TO STOP GETTING MAD OVER FUNNY BOOKS

>>88291511
Mate just cause they didn't make top ten doesn't mean they aren't selling. Keep your chin up

>>88291501
Disney would not keep them afloat if they were bleeding money.

If Marvel Entertainment got to the point where it was totally unsustainable there would be an aggressive rework by Disney suits.

Outside of a few things, it's unlikely Disney bothers to interfere at all. It's biggest priority is with Marvel Studios, which is now a totally separate division.

>>88297056
>>88297153
It's a Retcon, not a reboot.
A reboot is when EVERYTHING of the universe is deleted and then they start over from the beginning.

A retcon is when something already established in the canon is updated in some way.

>>88297829
>Mate just cause they didn't make top ten doesn't mean they aren't selling. Keep your chin up
Nah double shipping causes sales to fall and non of them have settled yet so sales are probably a little down from last month too

>>88293466

>It's the same with me and Nightwing. I want Dick and Babs to remember they got married in Convergence

IT NEVER HAPPENED BECAUSE BRAINIAC BROUGHT THE CHARACTERS TO THE MOMENT HE STOLE THEM. THAT'S WHY WHATEVER HAPPENED IN CONVERGENCE GOT UNDONE.

How can you not get this?

>>88297741
From the sound of retailers it probably might not, but I'm hoping it still does well enough regardless because I'd rather read it over Slott's Clone storyline.

>>88297884
But if Convergence got undone, why is there an epilogue in Infinity Inc that looks like it took place after Convergence is done? And why is Jay Garrick still old at the end of the JSA/Infinity Inc Convergence comics but somehow showed up in the last issue of Convergence with his youth regained (he was there along with the New 52 Earth 2 version)?

>>88298044
Because Convergence was filler for a 2 month move and wasn't planned out very well.

It's a
>Marvel games the system so it looks like they're actually doing well
episode.

>a new chunk of #1's
>tonnes of retailer exclusives
>tonnes of incentive based variants
>literally giving away tens of thousands of copies
Reminder that every single retailer that we've seen talk about numbers says Marvel is doing shit and even the new #1's aren't selling.

>>88292236
Variants

>>88291188
>Marvel literally didn't do anything they haven't always done.

They gave away half their books for free to inflate their sales.

>sales thread
>people crying about lesser-known characters not selling more
Why? Haven't you heard about the Inhumans?

>>88291412
Marvel has almost gone bankrupt multiple times. Now that they're owned by Disney they're trying to crash the comic industry like they did in the 90's to weed out competition.

Marvel knows they've never been able to compete on quality, so they have to play dirty.

>>88291292
Star Wars is garbage and everyone knows it. The only buyers are the dorks who loved the OT before the Prequels made Star Wars a national laughing stock.

>>88299175
>multiple times
When, besides the 90s?

>>88295523
They didn't give away Renew Your Vows, at least i'm pretty sure, they gave away other shit like Gwenpool.

>>88299225

it doesn't really count as Marvel but right before FF started they were about to crash. Amazing Fantasy too was gonna get cancelled so they were like "Ok do the spider thing"

>Renew Your Vows top 10.

I-Is it true? Could we get MJ and Peter back?

>>88299257
Oh yeah, the pre-Kirby days. I wish I could timetravel and convince Jack not to save that publisher.

>>88297829
>Disney would not keep them afloat if they were bleeding money.

Unlikely. Now that Disney owns Marvel they don't care if they lose money. Comics are such a small industry that losing money is a valid ploy if they think they can get a monopoly on the industry.

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>>88291553
>Where's Champions?

>>88299260
It's a #1, anon. #1 sales don't really mean anything. It's the issue ~4 sales that matter.

>>88298044

Because Convergence was a poorly-thought event.

In the end Brainiac felt back and place all the characters back to the moment he stole them. So Dick and Babs went back to where they were before they would ever caught by Brainiac, meaning that their marriage in Brainiac's world never happened.

>>88299554
Bullshit, there's reports that Disney might be trying to sell ESPN because they're hemorrhaging money at this point because of bad business practices. Disney could easily shutdown the comics division and focus solely on merchandise, movies and cartoons and normal people wouldn't even notice.

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>>88291078
How much are we talking about though? I find it weird that we don't get numbers.

Why do Japanese get numbers and we don't?

>>88300173
>being this new
We'll get actual numbers in a few days.

>>88299911
>a poorly-thought event
Which is why DC shouldn't copy Marvel.

>>88300274
It was a filler event while they moved offices.