Will DC ever recover?

>>88251256
hah

it's funny because it's true

normies would lose their shit

>>88251256
Is there anyone who DC could even emulate Marvel with? Lee had a hand in pretty much all Marvel's Silver Age characters, which are the ones who have really lasted, even the ones where the initial idea wasn't his, the system they used still left Lee's stamp on it. DC's all stars come from tons of different sources, tons of different creators, and more than that, every creator pf their main characters lived long enough ago that they're dead now.

I love how much of a whore Stan is. He's great.

>>88251932
The best they could probably do is probably give 'iconic' writers/artists or past actors a cameo. Like have Miller cameo in the Batfleck movie, Ostrander in SS2, Linda Carter in WW or something.

>JUSTICE LEAGUE
>The Justice League is battling Steppenwolf in a crowded area and leveling half the city, as they often do.
>Focus on a panicked crowd fleeing from the chaos.
>Among them is Stan Lee.
>"I'm not even supposed to be here!"

>>88251256
DC movies are hits though. not with critics sure, but box office wise they do fairly well.

>>88252048
Arguable. I wouldn't call a movie featuring 2 of the most well known and popular superheroes, one of which basically prints money just by slapping his logo on something, barely making a profit a "hit."

>>88251932
Give Morrison or Gaiman a cameo I guess

>>88252167
that's fair. i mean more in terms of revenue it turned a profit, but the fact that it didnt even make a billion overall is a disappointment.

suicide squad though, no matter what you think of it, turned a very good profit.

>>88252048
every movie chips a bit more off their brand. they spend so much on each film that if one financially fails it's going to be full panic mode, and that failure might come very soon. they are already netting mediocre amounts for their budgets.

>>88252048
>first ever meeting on the big screen between the biggest and most well known superheroes of all time
>insanely high budget
>at the height of the superhero movie craze
>get's beaten by a solo Marvel b-lister
>almost beaten by a team of literal nobodies whose sequel will definitely beat BvS
In context BvS was a fucking disaster.

There's any easy fix:

One more focus on character centered storytelling and less on easter eggs and setting up a cinematic universe

>>88251932
I think Bruce Timm could work as a cameo

>>88251932
They can film at DC gym.

>>88251256
You know what would make The Flash a more interesting movie than redoing CW Flash S1 but now with Ezra Miller?

Just Imagine Stan Lee creating The Flash: The Movie.

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>suddenly a New Gods movie
>Kirby is depicted as a high god with statues shaped in his image
>Flunky is played by an actor resembling Stan Lee and depicted unflatteringly stupid
>Stan stans get buttblasted
Never gonna happen but it would be so funny

>>88251256
Hope this old jew dies soon

Sage for Disney shill thread

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>>88252048
When OC pets kicks your ass not once but twice you have fuck up.

>>88255335
>expecting WB to lose their artistic integrity by having to bribe people just to make their movies look good

Fucking Mouseshills will do anything to pretend their movies aren't worthless

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>>88255493
Sony has shown us bribes do jack shit with making people go watch a massive shit dump .
Hell Batman and Superman should have just made a billion on name alone, people saw it inspite of poor reviews, and still it lead to huge drop offs in viewership to where some theaters pulled it four weeks after launch because they were getting 0 ticket sales for it in 7+ days.
Also the mouse has more issues with Universal then anyone else, they love to crush them.

>>88252669
No one outside of comics even knows who Bruce Timm is. The number of people on this board alone who could pick him out in a line up could probably be counted on one hand.

>>88251256
Stan Lee would be better casting for Wonder Woman than Gal Gadot

>>88251256
he ain't wrong. By word of mouth alone that would have likely climb BvS to the billion mark.

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>>88251256
Stan Lee has cursed the DCEU.
If he gets a cameo the curse will get lifted.

>>88251256
I'm much more of a Marvelfag than I am DC, but good god am I sick of this old fucker and his shitty cameos

At first it was kind of cute/funny, now each one is just more cringey than the last, Stan Lee cameos in Marvel movies is about as overdone and annoying as a Doug Walker joke

>Newest Batman movie
>Stan Lee gets off a bus in Gotham

"Oh dangit! I got on the wrong bus!"

>Gets back on

>>88252016
The problem is that no one knows who these people are outside of the tiny comics community. Even most comics fans who know these creators probably don't know what they look like. They just have no star power.

Lee is himself a draw, because he and Marvel have spent decades promoting him as "Mr. Marvel". His appearance and persona are almost as famous as his characters at this point.

>>88252228

That would be a 'literally who' for 99% of audiences.

>>88251932
Alan Moore

too bad he'd never do it

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>>88255493
>>expecting WB to lose their artistic integrity
>WB
>artistic integrity

>>88256317
>muh quips is good art

The ONLY way WB could rival a Stan Lee cameo is to give Adam West a cameo. Any other Batman actor showing up wouldn't have as much of an impact, nor would Linda Carter or any living Superman actor.

>>88256320
Heh, I know this is bait but I'll humor you.

WB's problem has been precisely their lack of integrity. They're clearly being driven by executive committee and focus groups, careening from one panicked concept to the next as each one doesn't work out.

Both BvS and SS suffered heavily from this. You could watch how SS changed in front of our eyes before it came out.

>>88251256
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>88256195
>bus proceeds to crash into a bank

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>>88251256
>Marvel needs a fossil from the 60s to sell their shit because their product is inherently garbage

wew

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>>88251932
Dead ones that should cameo: Julius Schwartz, Garder Foxx, Bruno Premiannim, Joe Kubert
Living ones: Neal Adams, Grant Morrison, Dennis O'Neail, John Ostrander, Marvin Wolfman, Brian Bolland,

>>88251932

I think they should since humans and especially normies have trouble giving credit to anyone unless THEY SEE A FACE.

So I think putting guys like Morrison, Gaiman, Ellis, Moore, etc as cameos in stuff would go a long way to giving them some additional credit. Just to be SEEN basically.

>>88252043

>This isn't even my home mutliverse what the-

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>>88255335
>Secret Life of Pets beat out Batman and Superman.
Well that's a surprise

>>88256287
>>88252228

If people don't recognize them, people who do can point them out. That's the whole point.

>>88257627

Well it had Krypto and Ace the Bathound in it

>>88257567
>since humans
>humans

is there something you're hiding, anon?

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>>88255335
Gerald Christ Disney! Calm down!

>>88257986
And just think next week is Rouge one

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>>88251932

>>88255335
>The Mermaid
>wtf
>read up on it
>Stephen Chow

I have to watch this immediately.

>>88251932
Jack Kirby could have done it

>>88258500
Yeah, he could have, but he's long gone now, so they missed their chance.

>>88251256
He's right. Me and my 3 buds only show up to marvel movies to see who can be the first one to spot his cameo

>>88251932
I'm fairly sure if they even tried the various estates of Kane, Siegel, and Shuster would immediately sue DC, WB, and each other.

It's not worth the time.

Judging by how clearly over his head Johns is, I imagine he'll start inserting himself into movies as random characters. It's essentially what Lee did, of course, but Lee didn't get to do it when he was young, wasn't arranging to do it with his own production company, and actually had a media presence of his own. People knew who he was, nobody knows Johns.

But oh just wait. Just wait and see how deep the tinsel runs in that boy. He's going to fuck everything.

>>88257501
>John Ostrander
I thought I heard something about him cameoing in Suicide Squad but I guess that didn't happen? Shame.

>>88255560
>Batman and Superman should have just made a billion on name alone

I still disagree with this. Both franchises have had incredibly variable grosses over the years, they've struggled to maintain tv shows, even - the longest running tv show Superman ever had was Smallville, a show that only happened the way it did because WB didn't hold the rights to Superboy at the time they started making it and legally couldn't put him in the costume for the first three years. The one that most people remember? Lois & Clark, four seasons of 90s romcom crap with a guy in tights and a hot chick who had chemistry on-screen. Wonder Woman's not even in the running, her screen history is a joke.

We've seen time and again that reboots, remakes and forced sequels aren't guaranteed to make big money, and neither are crossovers, though there's been fewer of those to compare it to. It was never guaranteed a big gross, and I'm surprised it got as far as it did. That movie was fucking awful.

>>88255827
Both universes need a skeletal figure of death, anon.

>>88257501
No love for Carmine? Sure he was an inadequate EIC but he was all over the Silver Age.

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>Dr. Strange BTFO the new X-Men movie

What a time to be alive.

>>88259316
I'm old and out of touch, but what the fuck does BTFO mean in this context?

Dr. Strange backed the fuck off the new X-Men movie? What?

>>88259316
It really didn't though, unless you'r talking about how much money it made

Justin Beiber sells more records than your favorite band, what a time to be alive!

>>88259331
Beat the fuck out.

>>88259440
>>88259331
Blown the fuck out it's from /sp/
>t. /sp/artan

>>88259316
When has Doctor Strange as a character ever outperformed the X-Men? They're insanely popular with decades of mainstream exposure and mainstream appeal.

>>88259349
The x-Men movie wasn't good through.

>>88259482
You mean in comics? late 70s early 80s. Mutant craze kick up in the late 80s early 90s and stayed a good while.

>>88259504
>*though

>>88259504
Neither was Dr. Strange, X-Men was an ok film, Dr. Strange was a shit film

Now go on and tell me how it made tons of money and got critical praise, because so does Drake and that Canadian Jew is a fucking clown

>>88252271
Did it really though? Suicide Squad went through extensive reshooting and its budget was 175m already

BvS made about about 140m more and cost 75m more, coincidentally one number is almost exactly double the other.

so if we're living in magical /tv/ land anyway then Suicide Squad is about as much of a financial hit as BvS.

>>88259548
I have yet to see Dr. Strange but X-Men was below average.

That's kinda funny

>>88256287
>>88252228
>>88257634
I think you underestimate how many normies know Gaiman.

Stan could destroy them by simply holding out his non-microphone hand and saying "Behold my hand. It is empty."

>>88255493
>>88256317
>>88256320
>>88256380


See the ultimate argument against that is that Secret life was just a very generic kids movie and it still outperformed a cultural phenomena.

>>88259653
Nah. People who read Gaiman know him. That's about it. If you're reading Gaiman, you're probably not a normie.

>>88259673
Not him but Gaiman is fairly normie, actually.

>>88259673
holy shit

leave the house

get outside

fucking anything

I didn't know it was possible to be this delusional

>>88259670
Always bet on talking dog films

ALWAYS

>>88251932
MORRISON. He hypercrisises his way into the background of every movie like Harbinger or Pandora.

>>88259673
>gaiman has more bestsellers than I can count on one hand
Jesus you are deluded

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>>88260165
As soon as someone played themselves on the Simpsons, they're normie core.

>>88260380
and Arthur

>>88258588
His cameos are front and center, so everyone spots them at the same time.

>>88260154
Morrison is an edgelord hack. He now has to write comics for curries to read while they shit out in the street.

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>>88251256
Most of the people who created DC's characters are dead because they've been around so much longer than Marvel.

>>88251636
Did he actually say that?

>>88252043
Gold

>>88255335
embarrassing

>>88251256
if dc had a sense of humor they would cast him as funky flashman

>>88260742

What by him have you read?

And what do you consider a good comics writer?

>>88260748

22 years.

>>88261351

Wasn't he supposed to have been based on Stan?

>>88252016
>Ostrander in SS2
Why don't you just take a shit on him while you're at it? Jesus, Anon.

>>88261351
If Marvel weren't scum sucking you know whats they wouldn't be trying to bury the X-Men and Fantastic Four

Let's not pretend Marvel is a happy go lucky company, they're the biggest scumbags on the face of the earth

>>88251256
this is the guy who accidentally made Iron Man have a nose for a year because he was spouting random shit he didn't remember saying before criticizing his own choice thinking it was somebody else's

>>88251932
they could have made the amazing decision to have Adam West cameo in every movie. Not iconic to the industry like Lee, but more likability in every other way

>>88261378
Ostrander liked SS.

>Stan Lee begs WB for a cameo in the DCEU
Is Marvel doing that bad?

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>>88259830
>Always bet on talking dog films
What about talking raccoon and sapling movies?
>TFW Baby Groot merch will out sell all DC movie characters stuff combined!

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>>88255493

>WB
>artistic integrity

>>88255493
oh the irony

>>88256375
>The ONLY way WB could rival a Stan Lee cameo is to give Adam West a cameo
Works for me

>>88264550
>>88264655
>>88264757
Face it bot, no one remembers MCU movies a year after their release.

>>88264550
Seems DC needs to up its ante with Streaky and Krypto films

>>88264895
Nah, mouseketeers would hate them anyway.

>>88264828
I do. I remember most movies I see, good or bad. I love movies.

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>>88264928

>>88264967
>I love movies.
No you don't. Movie lovers don't watch bad movies.

>>88265072
>what are guilty pleasures?

Bro, The Room is a classic.

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>>88264828

>>88264828
It's been roughly a year since Ant-Man and I can still tell you what that movie's about.

>>88267111

Just coming in to say Ant-Man is still one of the best MCU movies, total injustice that more people don't see it, way better than Doctor Strange or Guardians of the Galaxy, thank you goodbye.

>>88267148

I'll second this, Ant-Man is my favorite Marvel movie.

>>88261355
Not him, but I think he's a mostly decent to great writer, but he's dropped some serious turds.

I'm just now reading his Bamham, and I love it.