How the fuck was this on Pbs kids?

>>88209561
PBS broadcasted it on their channel for kids and the kids watched it.

>>88209561
nice link

>>88209561
The cartoon wasn't nearly as dark as the books though. I'm pretty sure they changed the way Cluny died, for instance.

>>88209561
>Religion

those monsters

>>88210680
He was trampled to death by horses, right?

It's been forever since I read the books.

>>88210813
>http://redwall.wikia.com/wiki/Cluny_the_Scourge

Says he got the abbey bell dropped on him, which I'm pretty sure is what happens in the show too (though it's years since I've seen it).

>>88210983
Well I know someone got trampled, and someone got killed by a giant scorpion, and a bunch of guys got boiled alive.

>>88210813
No, he got crushed by a giant church bell.

Which is one of the many things I always want to tell people when they say that Redwall is a "kids" book series. Kids can read it, sure, but when your villains get crushed by bells, stung to death by a giant scorpion, decapitated by a sharpened shield and fucking having their spine broken and left on the beach to wait for the incoming tide, I'd hardly call it "just for kids".

>>88209561
You literally just linked to yourube's home page.
Is that what you wanted?

>>88211055
Wiki says the Scorpion was in Mariel of Redwall so those other deaths might be too.

Though I remember the abbey dwellers pouring scolding hot porridge down one of Cluny's siege tunnels so they probably hot boiled.

>>88211055
>trampled
The only one that comes to mind was the rat at the beginning of Redwall (I think his name was Skullface or something)

>got killed by a giant scorpion
Ahh, yeah, that was the fate of Gabool the Wild from Mariel of Redwall. I like how all the heroes were pissed off that none of them got to kill him.

>and a bunch of guys got boiled alive.
To be fair I'm pretty sure this only happened in the first book, but yeah that shit was fucking hardcore.

I really like how the first thing Redwall fans show off is their encyclopedic knowledge of gory character deaths.

Says a lot about the series.

>>88211186
They stick out more in the memory of a young boy than elaborate riddles, or food descriptions.

>>88211186
it truly is a book for children.

>>88211223

To be fair the riddles were fun early on, even if they got fairly predictable near the end. And the feast scenes were straight up pornographic.

>>88211186
My favorite is probably when Fangtooth bleeds out after hours of being suspended by his nipples on the iron cross overlooking the abbey's spice garden.

>>88211238
Yeah I am being a bit unfair. I always wanted to get my hands on that Redwall cookbook, and the setting of the books alone is fascinating like Salamandastron and Kingdom of Malkariss.

The riddles really got on my nerves around the time I stopped reading them though. It was as if every inch of Redwall had coded solutions to future events words carved into the walls.

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>>88211186
It's either that or "Why do they talk about food so much"

Whatever happened to the Redwall franchise, anyways?

>>88211383
Brian Jacques died.

He was actually working on a new series of books at the time, but they didn't quite have the same charm.

>>88211186
It was LoTR for beginners after all.

>>88211383
Brian Jaques died back in 2011.

>>88209561
Never Dragon Tales afterwards. It was George Shrinks for a time, then Curious George.

>>88211401
>>88211409
Oh.
Well, damn. I was gonna ask if Warriors overshadowed Redwall long enough to unset its hold.

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>>88211349
>All those feasts
Jacques once said he liked to sit around and read cookbooks as a kid. It shows

>>88211423
What's the appeal of Warriors? Redwalls have mice as knights fighting pirates and bandits in a fantasy world of bipedal animals in a medieval setting. Warriors are just... cats.

>>88211294
>Salamandastron
I wish we had gotten to see more of Salamandastron, particularly the inner sanctum for the Badger Lords/Ladies. The fact that there's apparently a giant winding tunnel full of prophecies and shit just makes me wonder what else was hidden in the mountain.

>>88211263
My favorite is a tie between Badrang's death (there's something very cathartic about the do-gooder hero of the story brutally beating the shit out of the bad guy with absolutely zero remorse) and Cluny's death.

Also Blaggut confirmed best reformed bad guy.

>>88211569
Cluny had it coming

>>88211481
Warriors is a bit dark for what is considered a children's series the same as Redwall. It's set in a more realistic setting than Redwall, but it's still got graphic depictions of death, illegitimate children, waifus, and sex, among other things.

It's been a while since I've read the series, though. But I distinctly recall one guy getting cut from his throat to his stomach and having to die nine times in a row.

>>88211085
You forgot mutilated and eaten by giant anacondas, and some of their limbs hung as trophies inside a cave.

>>88212258
>You forgot mutilated and eaten by giant anaconda
Best part is that if I remember this scene correctly it happened to a random vermin AND one of the "good guys".

>>88212528
It happened to a gypsy fox after he killed Mathias' friend Methuselah trying to steal shit from the abbey. He wasn't a "good guy" in the least.

>>88212571
What, Chickenhound? He doesn't get eaten, just mutilated, since he comes back in Mattimeo.

And one of the good guys does get eaten by a snake (or rather, a trio of snakes) in Triss, which is what I thought you were referencing.

>>88212571
>>88212606
Those were adders not anacondas, though I guess if your mouse sized there is very little difference.

Daily reminder that anything and everything to do with Salamanstradon was GOAT.

Especially the book with Lord Brocktree.

>>88212664
This anon knows what's up. Every book following that plotline was GOAT.

>>88209561
Just finished reading The Shining, which featured a boy of almost 6 facing a literal monster with intent to kill, without flinching or crying.

You are a manchild.

>>88212664
The only thing better than the Salamandastron stories was high seas adventures with Luke the Warrior

>>88211085
>>88210680
Then it's exactly like in the cartoon.

>>88211476
>He mentions that he always wondered about the foods shown in movies or barely mentioned in adventure stories, and he wanted to go into more detail in his books

I have that book. its neat

>>88212907
Does the cookbook actually have recipes of stuff from the books, or is it one of those shitty obviously-for-kids cookbooks with shitty "Redwall Cherry Snowcone" and "Badger Lord Pepperoni Pizza" style recipes?

>>88211085
You forgot two of the halberd-wielding foxes AND their queen all got eaten alive by piranhas, while the heroes watched, and the queen was tied down to a bed.

>>88212790
hell yeah. gonff was a total bro too.

>>88212721
>reading Stephen King
>calling someone else manchild

>>88211085
There was also that time one of the villain's mooks got skewered through the throat with a javelin in nice, vivid detail.

>>88213086
It's mostly how to cook mice, badgers, snakes, rodents, vermin

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>>88213243
Hello, OP.

>>88212664
Long Patrol and Lord Brocktree were the best books in the series.

>>88212721
Jack Torrance wasn't an actual monster though. Unless you misinterpreted some bullshit about how he was possesed by a demon or some shit.

>>88213299
Yeah. Because walking about after getting actually killed and have your face smashed to bits with a mallet is something humans tend to do.

The bats in the series are adorable

I liked the show
it was pretty good
at least it treated kids with a bit more maturity

I liked the intro to it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2W_3uXqsfw

>>88213265
First admitted to reading Stephen King. and now this blunder. Sad!

>>88213380
I really want to know who you are. You are a strange fellow.

>>88213378
Hell yeah that theme is great

>>88212721
t.college freshman

>>88213378
was it ever explained how martin knew who matthias is?

>>88213588
>t.

>>88213589
I don't really remember but probably in a prophetic dream, those are pretty common in Redwall

>>88213589
I think Jacques confirmed that Matthias was the reincarnation of Martin.

Eulaliaaaa!

>>88211085
>I'd hardly call it "just for kids".
Theres a group called "Dibbuns Against Bedtime" in the books, man.
I mean, come on, its very much a kids series.

>>88211085
Most traditional folk tales had stuff just as fucked up, if not moreso.

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>a redwall thread on /co/

Oh fuck yeah.

Who /marlfox/ here?

>>88211085
>fucking having their spine broken and left on the beach to wait for the incoming tide
when the shit did this happen?

I never read those books as a kid, would i enjoy then now? If so, which one should i start?

>>88216238
It's a kids series, but it's one of those that has appeal outside of just children.
I don't get your logic on how a children's group appearing in the novels makes it one though. Is everything with child characters in it for kids?

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>>88218397
Read them in publication order first, so start with the original novel called Redwall.
As for enjoying them as an adult, it depends. Biggest issues if you ask me are that the basic plotline is the same over and over and the morality is always very black and white.

>>88218397
The self-titled Redwall is where I started. Sets up the world pretty well, and depending on what you like about it you can decide where to go next.

>>88218474
>>88218479
Will give it a check.

>>88211186
Well yeah it was a kid's book. And when I was in 4th grade I could read about Harry Potter and friendship overcoming obstacles or a badger in full plate mail with a mace in each hand sweeping through an army of rats

>>88218479
The tone does kinda change from there on out though. He stops any implications that humans exist like the horse having a carriage or towns being mentioned and having stuff like barns and also drops the whole Redwall mice are a religious order concept too.

>>88218533
>full plate mail with a mace in each hand
Sunflash the Mace, right?

>>88211349
The food descriptions were put in because brian jaques originally read stories to blind children and he wanted to be as descriptive as possible

>>88213086

>Spring Recipes
>>Hare's Pawspring Vegetable Soup
>>Crispy Cheese'n'Onion Hogbake
>>Vegetable Casserole à La Foremole
>>Gourmet Garrison Grilled Leeks
>>Stuffed Springtide Mushrooms
>>Abbot's Special Abbey Trifle
>>Spiced Gatehouse Tea Bread
>>Honeybaked Apples
>>Hot Mint Tea

Summer Recipes

>>Hotroot Sunsalad
>>Brockhall Badger Carrot Cakes
>>Great Hall Gooseberry Fool
>>Cheerful Churchmouse Cherry Crisp
>>Rosey's Jolly Raspberry Jelly Rock Cakes
>>Afternoon Tea Scones with Strawberry Jam and Cream
>>Squirrelmum's Blackberry and Apple Cake
>>Guosim Shrew Shortbread
>>Summer Strawberry Fizz
>>Summer Salad

Autumn Recipes

>>Mole's Favourite Deeper'n'Ever Turnip'n'Tater'n'Beetroot Pie
>>Bellringer's Reward (Roast Roots and Baked Spuds)
>>October Ale
>>Autumn Oat Favourites
>>Hare's Haversack Crumble
>>Harvestberry Sunset Pudden
>>Loamhedge Legacy Nutbread
>>Dibbun's Delight
>>Golden Hill Pears

Winter Recipes

>>Shrimp'n'Hotroot Soup
>>Veggible Molebake
>>Savoury Squirrel Bakes
>>Outside'n'Inside Cobbler Riddle
>>Stones Inna Swamp
>>Rubbadeedubb Pudding
>>Nunnymolers
>>Applesnow
>>Mossflower Mulled Cider

>>88213086
Nah, it's pretty good. It's more redwall styled food than stuff actually mentioned in the novels though. It's also all vegetarian except for the shrimp'n'hotroot soup too.

I have nothing but comfy memories of the Redwall series, I cherish it up there with the way less good Deltora series for childhood fantasy.

Definitely books I'll end up reading to my future children.

>>88218329
Marlfox was one of my favorite books and I loved how it had shown that the rats were the victims of tyranny as anyone else in that setting.

I liked how they became farmers in the end.

>>88219109
I couldn't believe it when I found out Deltora Quest has an actual fucking anime.

>>88219137
Apparently it was really popular in Japan. The anime(excluding filler episodes)was very faithful to the books.

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>>88219203
Yeah, I remember they extended the Rithmere games into their own story arc, but I always thought that made sense.

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>>88218360
Lord Brocktree, it's how Ungatt Trunn died. One of his underlings let it happen and watched too.

>>88219235
Rithmere games should have been longer in the books to be honest.

The filler fleshed out a few things that were unexplained in the books: Thegan's family(they never revealed who the father of all her monster children was)and was actually quite interesting.

>>88209561
i kinda have to thank you op, i've been trying to remember this show for years

>>88211085

Don't forget being crushed to death under a dying badger lord, getting hit so hard by a badger you're splattered against a brick wall, getting your head crushed by bolas, or being half eaten alive in midair by a massive hawk because you accepted a fancy coat from a queen. I think Slagar was the closest to a nonfucked up death.

>>88220863
>getting hit so hard by a badger you're splattered against a brick wall
That was by far one of the most metal things I've ever read in a book. The minute Constance did that I all but fucking cheered.

>>88220951

Constance and the Badger Lords are why I can't see Badgers as cute and not death in black and white fur in other media.

>>88218687
ALSO because he grew up on War Rations in WWII and was pissed that none of his childhood books described the feasts.

>>88209561
because books!
school libraries are allowed to have books with all kinds of shit in em. descriptions of nudery, implied sexual
we have this idea that printed words are nothing and images are raping real people

>>88221813

That's because it's easier for lazy parents to use TV to raise their kids than a book.

>>88211569
>Also Blaggut confirmed best reformed bad guy.
I mean when there were like 3 or 4 reformed bad guys in the entire 22 book series yeah

>>88216238
Funny you mentioned that. DAB was an online Redwall roleplaying community which peaked around the early 2000s, and it made its way into the books through a petition from one of its members. It was dead by the time I saw Jacques mention it in one of his forewords. Always struck me as a strange concept.

>>88219527
>ass-kisser stabs his boss in the back when shit hits the fan
This was too real.

>>88222530
IIRC it was a crippled fox whose family was slaughtered by the big bad guy, and so he was just repaying him in the end.

>>88221813
>Find the Dragon Riders of Pern as a kid
>Literally half way in I get a fucking episode of the Dragons driving their partners into a frenzy of lust and what can basically be rape

>>88220951
didnt she like tie him up in a net and just smash him against a wall until he was a pile of goo?

>>88209561
>TV show based on a series of popular children's' novels
>"how was this for children?!"

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>mfw all this nostalgia
God damn I go back and read these books, if nothing else but to get me interested in cooking again.

>>88224037
*gotta

tfw no big budget Redwall movie ever. I know every once in a while it floats around from some literally-who animation company that they're going to do one but nothing ever comes of it. Kind of surprising.

Outcast Of Redwall was my first one but Taggerung was my favorite. Always annoyed me as a kid how Tagg got his tattoos removed at the end, thought it was complete bull.

>>88224297
Especially since it wasn't even his decision, that old otter bitch just did it and told him later.

>>88223744

She used the net to threaten drowning the magpies. Way i remember it was her bitchslapping the holy hell out mangiz into a wall like she was playing handball.

>>88224297

Who would do it justice nowadays?

>>88225043
maybe Laika?

>>88225314
Only if he did a direct book adaptation.

>>88225314

Not a bad choice.

Now casting will be a bigger challenge.

>>88225794
a decade ago I would have gone with Tim Curry for Cluny, but with his current condition we'll need to find someone else I think

>>88226143
He did a bang-up job as Slagar, so Cluny wouldn't be out of line.

Still, I worry for him, his health isn't so good these days.

>casting
Tom Baker for a Badger Lord

>>88226919
well if it's based on the first book than there's no male badgers who appear, which means we need to find someone to play Constance

>>88209561
It's kinda funny how few shits children's novels give about death and violence, I swear every book I read as a kid was filled to the top with characters just being slaughtered left and right despite obviously being kids books.
I guess moral guardians just don't read books.

>>88209561
its pbs, there is no where else it could have played They're not held to the same standards the rest of the world is because they can always say its supposed to be educational. Its why you can see tits on national geographic. Its why sesame street can kill off a major character when other shows for kids couldn't even say the word die.

When Senator Morals and stick up her-cunt little Johnny America's Mom want to go after kids cartoons for being terrible and corrupting the youth, they're going to go after the ones that are obviously crap and know it. Ren and Stimpy, fart joke type on Nickelodeon, transformers and other glorified toy commercials. Its sugar frosted, chocolate covered, deep fried garbage for kids with no actual value other than to entertain. Its an easy target. No one is going to even think about going after pbs for airing an adaptation of a beloved children's book seires that shows medieval life with talking animals. A Nickelodeon show about violence and death featuring anthropomorphized talking animals that will one day turn your son or daughter into a pervert sexually aroused by other animal people. That's something to go after.

The only time people ever go after PBS is when they want to cut government spending.

>tfw you will never be a loyle hare fighting alongside your Badger-senpai smiting any uppity fucks that try to take over your Volcano

While Lord Brocktree was GOAT, Loamhedge is criminally underrated.

mfw i tried to get balls deep into the redwall RP community 20 years ago
mfw i couldn't hack it with niggas posting half a page of fucking food description and vicious rat murder

The early internet was fucking awesome.

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>>88209561
>you all still remember the moment when Mathias cut the head off the snake
>" I AM THAT IS"
> you all remember the theme song and the almost mystical voice "i am that is my sword shall wield for me "
>clunky the scourge is still a great villain

admit it, you haven't forgotten this feeling, i still to this day look back at this series with a smile

>>88224037

I gave up on new books with Marlfox considering it straight lifted a significant chunk of Pearls of Lutra almost word for word, but The Martin and Matthias books are still God Tier as are the other early books. Mossflower was the first one I read and it is still my absolute favorite.

>>88226143
>>88226771

He's done voicework post-stroke. His takes obviously take a little longer but supposedly he's solid.

>>88209561
So is it really true that the books and show can Devolve into an episode of Blues Clues only with a poem?

>>88219235
Deltora wasn't as hardcore as Redwall and Co., but I was a sucker for fantasy as a kid and loved the original series and the Four Sisters storyline. Some of the monsters were super fucking cool.

FINALLY YES A /CO/ THREAD I CAN GET BEHIND

QUESTION: who's the objectively worst main villain, and who was the best badger lord?

>>88209561
>STUFF FOR CHILDREN SHOULDN'T BE DARK

I disagree.

>>88209561
I read so many of these books in middle school, but now that I'm reading this thread, I realize that I don't remember much of what happened in any of them.

>>88209561
David Hemblen as the snake was freaking chilling. Always a high point in an already great show.

>>88210680
A mouse got ran over by a car at the parking lot I worked at. I didn't see getting crushed but it was probably days/week old it but noticed the carcass flattened on the asphalt road like gum. It's tail and small foot sticking out giving me the key hint to what this strange mark on the road is.

>>88222530
vermin were always disloyal as fuck in Redwall books

its been a long time since I've read them as a kid, but I'm pretty sure nearly every single one has at least one treacherous lieutenant trying to kill the chief/boss

>>88230614
shiiiiiiiiiit dude what was that site called

i tried too

but i was literally like a 4th grader trying to RP along grizzled autists with years of tabletop roleplaying under their belts, so it was just awkward and sad

Mossflower was really good.
Legend of Luke > Martin the Warrior.

>>88227168
>I guess moral guardians just don't read books.
Does that really surprise you though?

>>88213341
I just did that yesterday, my face looks pretty fucked up still

>>88231927
>QUESTION: who's the objectively worst main villain, and who was the best badger lord?

Worst main villain as in like worst at their job or worst as in just sucked to read about?

Because for me the answer to both was honestly the fuckin' main bad guy from Taggerung, whatever the shit his name was.

As far as badger lords go, they're all GOAT but Lord Brocktree and Cregga Rose-Eyes are both tied for first for me.

>>88232382
Mah nigga, though Martin the Warrior is still fucking great.

I always thought Vilu Daskar was a fox, it surprised the hell out of me when I re-read the book and realized he's a stoat

>>88211085
>>88220863
Sounds rad as fuck and the kind of shit parents should read to their children more.

>>88226993

For pure 'you do not fuck with me', I'm tempted to go with C.C.H Pounder or Gwendoline Christie. Or possibly Tilda Swinton.

>>88216281
>>88236027
I agree. We need to go back to how it used to be.

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sound like this.

>>88209561
Holy shit I must have asked /co/ what this show was called a million times thank you for posting this. I keep on remembering this show I saw as a kid that was on pbs that was like a medieval Robin Hood show, it was redwall! Fucking thank you

>>88213380

T-Trump???

>>88236292
Read the books, too. They're even better and you get more out of them.

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I probably read all of these books as a kid. I absolutely loved them. I remember the thing that broke me though was when I couldn't figure out how the sizes worked in the world. Are they roughly scaled to actual size? Then how could a mouse ever compete against an otter, badger, or fox? Are they more evened out so they're a bit closer the same size? With the badger being obviously larger than a mouse, but more like 2x the size then 8x.

>>88236462
>Then how could a mouse ever compete against an otter, badger, or fox?
Numbers and strategy, mostly. The books mention numerous times that one-on-one against larger vermin the mice of Redwall are more or less fucked (with the exception of warriors, who are already special on their own).

>>88218479
Remember when Cluny the Scourge was rumored to be Portuguese? Good times.

>>88223744
The show also implied she tore one of Cluny's lieutenant's face off with her teeth.

>>88218397
>>88218474

I don't know if I read them in publication order or if that mattered but you DO need to read Redwall first since most if not all the other ones are either sequels or fluff pieces expanding on tidbits introduced in it.

>>88209561
People weren't pussies

>>88211085

how do people like you complain about sheltered millennials yet hypocritically claim a mild cartoon is too stimulating for children?

>>88234898
Man, The Long Patrol was one of my favorites as a kid. tfw no bloodthirsty war bent gf

>>88218842
Somebody got an epub or mobi of this cookbook? This shit sounds good, burr aye.

>>88238464
The argument isn't that it's too much for children, the argument is that it's not too little for adults. "Books for kids" are always treated as the kind of thing that adults shouldn't waste their time on and not worth actually discussing, but a book where an evil fox gets pushed into a lake by her brother eaten alive by a bunch of pike is not the kind of thing that is solely "kiddie fare". Dismissing a book series because it has talking mice with swords does a disservice to the author and to the stories.

I'm not saying the Redwall series is necessarily the most mature and adult stories in the world, far from it. But I believe that an adult who reads the series will get just as much entertainment and insight into the story as a kid, possibly even more so because an adult can fully appreciate everything that is happening in the story.

>>88238872

so youre basically being autistic about how nobody wants to talk about your furry kids book because they're over the age of eight, got it.

What is the best song and why is it If You Dare?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ0qwM2fHAk

>>88213411
Stephen King is ASS.

I read and loved Redwall in elementary school how do I not remember all this brutality.

>>88239285
You probably didn't identify it as brutality back then, it was more a more abstract "good guys beat bad guys" kind of situation because the details weren't as easy to conceptualize. At that age it's hard to really grasp what the actual implications of pouring giant vats of boiling soup down a narrow tunnel full of living creatures would actually do to said creatures other than "they're out of the story now".

I LOVED the Redwall books, even though I read them in a fucked up order.

I read them like this:
Mossflower (still my favorite)
Redwall
Martin the Warrior
Mattimeo
Outcast
Salamandastron
Mariel of Redwall
The Bellmaker (how come this location was never revisited)
The Pearls of Lutra
The Long Patrol (fucking amazing)
Marlfox
Legend of Luke
Lord Brocktree

Eventually I grew out of them so I never read Taggerung and on.

>>88239191
I don't know the OSTs but real talk, the theme from the animated series stuck with me even after all these years.

>>88239423
Long Patrol is GOAT IMO but Martin and Matthias books were close

>>88239423
>Eventually I grew out of them so I never read Taggerung and on.
If I'm being honest you're not missing much. I like Taggerung but it's not one I'd put on the "must read" list. It was kind of an inverse of Outcast so that was nice.

I still haven't read High Rhulain or The Sable Quean, so I can't tell you if they're any good, but my one caveat to the "not missing much" statement is Rakkety Tam. Holy shit, Rakkety Tam is fucking great and I wholeheartedly recommend it if you like the idea of two Scottish warriors on a quest motivated by pure personal interest whilst backed by the fucking Long Patrol. Seriously, Rakkety Tam is amazing.

God Tier

>Redwall
>Mossflower
>Mattimeo
>Martin the Warrior
>The Long Patrol
>Rakkety Tam

High Tier

>Salamandastron
>Marlfox
>Lord Brocktree
>Taggerung
>The Sable Quean
>The Rogue Crew

Mid Tier

>Outcast of Redwall
>The High Rhulain
>Eulalia
>Doomwyte

Low Tier
>Mariel of Redwall
>Pearls of Lutra
>Legend of Luke
>Triss

Shit Tier
>The Bellmaker
>Loamhenge

>>88239538
Can confirm.
Rakkety Tam is really good.

>>88239629
I'm mad enough about The Bellmaker being Shit Tier but how the fuck is Legend of Luke anywhere lower than High Tier? It's a goddamn pirate hunting adventure that gives insight into Martin's background while simultaneously proving that his lineage is full of fucking badasses.

>>88230348
Loamhedge is the one book from the series that makes me cry. Also Cregga's death in Taggerung wrecks me.

>>88239894
>>88239894
The Luke part was good but the other two thirds of the book was just Martin going on irrelevant misadventures fighting wacky vermin of the week on the side.
That whole framing device could've been saved for the prologue and epilogue instead of taking up over half the book

>>88211085

Kids can handle more than you think. Best to traumatize them early so they're hardened for later.

>>88240106
I would have liked Loamhedge more if the adventure that got people killed didn't turn out to be straight up meaningless by the end of the book.

>>88231919
Oh man, I had a "Monsters of Deltora" book that I kept looking at night after night because of how cool those monster designs were

>>88231919

The Hive from Shifting Sands is one of the coolest fucking things I've ever read in a fantasy book, period. I like the fact that the entire fucking desert turned out to be one giant monster with smaller monsters crawling all over it.

>>88239894
I don't think Bellmaker was bad but I don't think it was a necessary sequel.

>>88240803
May not have been necessary but I'd hardly call it shit tier.

>>88231919
I used to have some spin off Deltora books and I distinctly remember them only for one part
A part in which the heroes come across a gypsy-esque caravan/people living in carts and the woods who all wore animal masks.
Then they discover that the animal masks cant be taken off and it you are forced to take on the persona or something
I also remember it giving me a very... awkward feeling as a kid

>>88232237
It always bother me how good and evil were divided by species. Like you had a vermin character who was raised in Redwall since infancy and was still a little shit because it was just his nature I guess, and there was that otter who grew up in a vermin tribe but was able to turn his life around relatively easily.

>>88243490
That was one of the scarier parts of the series.It was like the Haunted Masks from Goosebumps turned up to 100.

I used to sleepwalk and have nightmares after reading a Redwall book. Those books were the most intense moments of my 8 year old life.

>>88244034
Jacques had a very black-and-white view of the Redwall world, which was fine 90% of the time but after a certain point people wanted more characters like Blaggut or Romsca or the Marlfox rats, where evil was dictated by personal choice rather than species.

>>88209561
Why wouldn't it be on PBS? Liberal leftists run PBS so of course it's going to be full of anti-christian propaganda.

>>88245449
you're retarded

>>88245449
>anti-christian propaganda
You do realize the series happened in a place called Redwall ABBEY, right?

>>88245560

Ignore him, probably a stray from a bait thread.

>>88245560
Jacques said multiple times it's not actually religious so shut it.

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>>88240286
Yeah I still have that book. I like the anime but wish they were more faithful to these designs for the monsters. they are fucking rad. Like the face of the Vraal that's just all long needle teeth.

>>88240370
Have its page from the book

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>>88249811
Shit I thought for sure I fixed the orientation.

>>88213378
I liked the tapestry shit they did for the intro and outro. that was great

>>88227168
whats better is how well kids take it. people dint give kids enough credit for their ability to consume and understand that kind of shit

>>88230817
I have the show on DVD.

good shit. its hard to forget quality

>>88213132
unf

>>88250485
>I have the show on DVD.
No fuckin' way, I didn't know they released Redwall on DVD. Did they do it for Martin the Warrior and Mattimeo?

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>>88211349
>tfw no torrent or mega of the Redwall Cookbook
I just want to learn to make nunnymolers, man.

>>88247305
they never flat out pray to Mouse God or anything, but the first book clearly lays out that the Abbey mice are a monastic order who apparently just venerate the concept of "good" instead of any deity

though Martin is definitely seen as some sort of Saint, at least in my view of it

>>88252645
I just want to learn how to make 'otrootsoup

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>>88209561
make way for best Character

>>88253355
>Basil Stag Hare
>best character
You are 100% correct, my friend.

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>>88252645
>>88253280
I just want to fuck that female otter

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>>88253355
>>88253408
>>88209561
I'll say this, they really did do a good job on the voice casting for these series
Tim Curry Slagar/ChickenHound was spot on.

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>>88209561
The Original Zoo Topia
I ship Basil and Constance
>>88253427
not wanting to fuck Jess the Squirell

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>>88226143
>>88226771
>>88231510
Can we stop for a moment and appreciate how perfect Curry was as Slagar the Cruel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnYoKrebQ1g

Man, "Redwall" and "Mattimeo" and their TV series defined my childhood when I was 10-12. I still remember that feeling of coming home from school and being able to watch bloody medieval castle sieges and epic rescue quests on TV. Yeah, the cartoon had to tone down the violence, but it was implied enough that you felt it there.

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>>88213086
>"Badger lord pepperoni pizza"

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>All the food and drink descriptions

>>88254001
Curry is always great but he really did kill it in that role.

the confession "I. AM. CHICKENHOUND." shouldn't be as awesome as he managed to make it.

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After reading the thread and shamefully forgetting 90% of the stuff here, I was thinking about re-reading the series. "Martin the Warrior"'s where I started as a dubbin, so I think to myself, "That'd be a great start."
>mfw remembering Rose
Now I don't think I'm ready. At 11-years old, having my waifu get fucking 1-shot by the final boss changed me.

>>88255896

It's not often I say it but Rose really was far too good for this sinful earth.

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>>88219137
>Deltora Quest has an actual fucking anime.

>>88255963
it's theme is really fucking catchy too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFZ2uxWOt-w

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>>88255936
>Rose really was far too good for this sinful earth.
I'm glad to hear you say that. I was absolutely smitten with her when I read the book (self-inserting as Martin helped.) But here, I wasn't sure if she was actually any good or not, now that I'm older and more critical of characters. I guess I'd ought-a' bite the bullet and re-read "Martin," but damn man, I'm worried I'll fall in the same way again.

I need /adv/.

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>>88256005
It had a lot of good music in it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxNJ56JGk1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=splkphwoXl8

It even had a rare English OP (Used an Australian singer for obvious reasons)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQCJ5CSH9T8

>>88256097
Re-read it and remember that Badrang died broken, sniveling and begging for his life because of Rose's death.

>>88256175
>remember that Badrang died broken, sniveling and begging for his life because of Rose's death.
That don't bring her back, man.
That don't help shit.
But I'mma' re-read it since you said. Ty familia.

>this thread
How can one thread be so comfy, bros?

>>88258102
comfy series

>>88256156
Ohh shit that english op is Delta Goodrem hahahah, also did the anime go into the dragon arc or did it end at the end of the quest?

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>>88209561
>Assssssmodeussssssssssss

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So is Mouse Guard pretty much just a ripoff of Redwall?

>>88258304
mushroom MUSHROOM

>>88258368
I wouldn't call it a ripoff, it has it's own thing kinda.

Like aren't there bad mice in Mouse Guard too?

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>>88210703
i know right

>>88209561
Woe, they straight up murdered Sela. I understand she was a traitor but they knew full well she would be brutally killed. It's even worse in the book because there she's actually described as being executed through stabbings and leaving her for dead with Chickenhound.

>>88256175
I think that's part of the cost of that victory being too high aside from Laterose's death. Martin probably felt sick with himself over that. It's one thing to take out an enemy cleanly and quickly. To have them pleading for their life as they die? WAY worse. Could take the will to fight out of you permanently. That battle left Martin broken.

>>88255936
Nothing gold can stay.

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Just read Redwall, should I jump to the start of the timeline since 1/4 of the series now is prequels, or read them in release order?

>>88251649
>Martin the Warrior
Holy shit, I didn't realise they'd done a series on Martin as well, I only saw Redwall and Mattimeo, and it's on Youtube, I know what I'm doing for the rest of the day now.

>>88213132
Pretty sure the fish were pike. England doesn't have piranha.

>>88261087
OK which of you was this?

>Any other guys straight like me but still get a hard on when Tim Churchmouse talks? I know I do
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUUM2W9ofZk

>>88261084
release order works fine

>>88261084
While I love the whole timeline it's probably better to read in release order because it's easier to appreciate established elements of the story by reading them as they were introduced.

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>That one book where one of the female mice raises a baby ferret/mongoose till it's a teen

>He's a complete cunt because racial issues in the town and it's just hardwired into his genes so he runs off to join the predator crowd anyway

>Takes a spear for the mouse that raised him anyway

I always liked how Jacques brought up the fact it was damn well impossible trying to hit a target in full helm during a battle

>>88262742
The only thing that annoyed me about Outcast is that at the end everyone just agreed that Veil was just evil, even his own mother. This, on the heels of him fucking sacrificing his life for her.

>>88258270
It ended at the end of quest and then there were a few episodes they did after following an anime original story.

It's too bad they didn't get around to the Dragons arc, arguably the best series.

>>88249883
>"My bones will serve the Hive"
Jesus fucking christ, I love it even more now.

Don't you die comfy thread

>>88239629
not a bad tier list, does this apply to the villains too?

Who here /rooting for the villains/? Why did Jacques have to make the bad guys so much more interesting?

>>88254001
I fucking loved the whole concept of Slagar. This little shit being led around on a leash by his mother ends up growing such a massive pair that he goes back to the the abbey-dwellers after having personally witnessing them slaughter an army of invaders, and having personally killed one of their own, then KIDNAPS THEIR KIDS. He just keeps swatting the hornet's nest.
He's no Ungatt Trunn or Tsarmina or other 50-foot indestructible killing machine with an incontestable physical presence - he had nothing at his disposal as a leader but a single-minded determination for vengeance. He is a self-made man. The way he undergoes such a radical character transformation and the selfishness of his motives make him one of the most compelling villains in the franchise. It's hard not to emphasize with him in some way.
He's also one of the few Redwall villains who Jacques doesn't instantly neuter the moment his back's against the wall.

>>88265231
well that happens a lot in fiction anyways, but when you've got pirates and warlords against a monastic order of course they'll usually seem cooler. Badger lords, hares, and outliers like Rakkety Tam are the exceptions I guess.

>>88219137
>>88219203
>>88256005
holy shit

>>88265231
I really liked Vilu Daskar from Legend of Luke. Even though he was a MASSIVE fucking idiot in the last like five chapters (who the fuck lets a slave who has repeatedly stated their intent to kill you and your crew steer the whole goddamn ship?), before that point he was a legit badass who got to Cluny levels of fucking with the heroes.

>>88253549
She seems to be lacking some attire.

>>88253549
I dont think they have swimsuits in mossflower

>>88225043
Miyazaki. The animation would be beautiful And i think he could really capture the spirit of the series.

>>88266120
She can't exactly go naked in front of the Dibbuns.

>>88209561
I fucking love this show and these books.

My copy of Taggerung is signed, I treasure that fucker

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>>88266065

>>88218329
hi nobby

>>88212721
You have shit taste. You need to kill yourself immediately before you kill the planet with your taste and FAST

>>88269509
>My copy of Taggerung is signed, I treasure that fucker
You lucky motherfucker, I'm legit jealous. I wish I could have met Jacques before he died.

>>88209561
It's essentially baby's first Game of Thrones.

>>88271765
All they have in common is that both books made me hungry.

>>88271893
I was always weirded out by people making fun of GRRM's extensive food descriptions. I couldn't think of a reason it was any different from the Redwall ones.

>>88211383
A licensed video game is in development.

>>88258455
I really should get around to reading the other Mistmantle books.

>>88272854
Tell me more. You are not just talking about A Ghost of a Tale, are you?

>>88273589
https://www.somagames.com/redwall/
>The First Officially Licensed Redwall Adventure Game
>A ‘progressive adventure’ designed for multi-platform deployment and an immersive adventure within the storied walls of Redwall Abbey.
>The best place to keep up on Redwall The Warrior Reborn is on the Facebook page. It’s also THE best place to get in touch with us and others. Come talk to us and ask us questions. We try to answers them every other week on our development vlog called Flurry Friday.

If I get these books for a kid will it turn him into a furry?

>>88273699
No, it'll turn him into a cat-vivisecting sociopath.

>>88273763
sold

>>88273699
More likely to be a speciesist

>>88272782
I think it's just because of how GRRM looks. The highly descriptive sex scenes also become slightly funny once you realise he's an obese old man.

Things I remember about Redwall, in chronological order as I remember them:
>Scottish rabbit being generally cool as fucking fuck, making me imitate him IRL because family has fascination with Scotland anyway
>Otters being fucking BEST species, most interesting customs with the river and shit
>also i feel like there was a girl otter at one point i thought was cute, cant really remember
>pretty sure the rabbits had castles or something but it was super far from redwall and it was only portrayed in like 1 book
>food
>food fucking everywhere
>HNNNNNG FOOOOOOOOOD AND VITTLES
>wine, forget the exact name they had for it
>oh yeha there was always a fat dude in charge of cooking and food and rolling out the alcohol during feasts, forget what species
>the mama badger was bretty cool and 10/10 leader of redwall
>vermin scum need to be cleansed
>although the pirate vermin were pretty fun to read about, always liked pirates, i feel like there was a story sepcifically about them and an island and some dude getting revenge or something
>i think matimeo did some cool shit, cant remember what species he was
>all those fucking puzzles around the abbey to find old shit, like with the paintings and such, literally worse than zelda for randomness and difficulty
>the religious zeolots always seemed crazy as hell which was funny

weird how other people keep talking about the gory shit when i literally cant rememeber 1 death except for the bell falling on whoever it was

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>>88274429
THIS DUDE

THIS BOOK

fuck me this one was awesome, reread it a bunch of times

the otters confirmed best stories and storytellers, also best soups lel

>>88274429
>>wine, forget the exact name they had for it
Cordial?

>>88274429
>wine, forget the exact name they had for it
Elderflower? Though I think they only ever drank cordial rather than anything alcoholic. Children's literature don't cha know.

>>88274477
thats it

>>88274569
i dont necessarily remember it being alcoholic, just that they had barrels of it in the cellar or something, and kids didnt drink it (as much?)

>>88274599
Cordial is concentrated fruit juice that you add water to.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elderflower_cordial

Though Jaques could have sort have used it as a shorthand for booze, I can't remember.

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Everyone knows that Romsca was best vermin/pirate.

>>88271741
Don't feel bad, I didn't either.

It was a signed copy they had for sale at a bookstore, I needed it. Shame about his passing, he had a huge impact on my childhood.

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>>88274459
disregard

THIS was the fucking cover, looked badass as hell too

>>88274429
>rabbits
they're hares and they REEEEEE at being called rabbits because rabbits are easygoing layabouts

>>88274981
forgot about that

pardon me ser been a bit o' a layabout fer too long n' whatnot wot wot

>>88274697
well the vermin drink grog too, can't remember if there was any hint of the non-vermin getting drunk ever

>>88275051
>grog
yep being a sea-vermin was the life fuckin a

I need to read more Redwall books. I loved this series so much

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>>88274459
I remember Pearls of Lutra being good too.

>>88275051
>vermin drink grog
I'd forgotten that, which is weird as I think the sea-rats mentioned it every other word. Maybe good gentlebeasts just didn't drink, or more likely the Abbey dwellers were a little uptight.

>>88275265
yeah that was fun as hell, had to read up the summary but thats what i was referring to here:
>>88274429
>>although the pirate vermin were pretty fun to read about, always liked pirates, i feel like there was a story sepcifically about them and an island and some dude getting revenge or something

Emperor Ublaz/Mad Eyes was spooky

also iirc lots of puzzle shit in that book

woh

> At age ten, assigned to write an animal story, he wrote about a bird that cleaned a crocodile's teeth. His teacher could not believe that a ten-year-old wrote it, and caned the boy for refusing to admit copying the story.[1]

>>88275471
What the fuck

>he kept writing all these years

maybe i should get them just for some late night comfy reading

Loamhedge (2003)
Rakkety Tam (2004)
High Rhulain (2005)
Eulalia! (2007)
Doomwyte (2008)
The Sable Quean (2010)
The Rogue Crew (2011) (posthumous)

>>88275471
lel

>>88275471
>>88275597
This was in 1940s Liverpool don't forget.

>>88275471
>His teacher could not believe that a ten-year-old wrote it
Reminds me of all the times my teachers would say that to boost my ego.
>caned the boy for refusing to admit copying the story
But this cat actually meant it.

>>88275471
I had a similar experience in Grade 7 but it was a french immersion social studies class in Canada and my teacher couldn't believe I could write in french so well in a paper I did about local pirates from the past. He thought I plagiarized it too, though thankfully he didn't cane me.

Teachers can be real dicks.

>>88275640
Isn't Liverpool a shithole. Ever time I watch soccer all of their fans are bald guys that look like they beat their wives.

>>88276478
yeah kinda

Jacques and the Beatles (yeah I know >dadrock) might be Liverpool's only valuable exports.

>>88276478
Not the absolute worst shit hole in Northern England, trust me I'm from there.
But it isn't somewhere I'd willingly live. There's a joke the airport is called John Lennon airport because it's the first place he went when he got some money, and just after WW2 it must have been a hellscape.

>>88276507
Whats wrong with dadrock

>>88218842
>>88211349

I have this book too. It's probably one of the best cookbooks I have, desu. Friggin love the DeepernEver Beetroot Pie. Geez, now I'm friggi hungry.

>>88232096
It deserved it and its kind deserves more gruesome deaths. Fucking vermin ate my chimichangas.

>>88274697
Nah, the cordial was barreled like wine but it wasn't alcoholic, whenever someone drank it it was essentially the same as someone choosing to drink regular juice with dinner. They had like damson wine and October ale and such for the adults.

>>88277684
Could you scan the pages so we can all enjoy the recipes?

>>88279446
It'd be a while. Scanner's broke. Thread might ded by the time I'm able to get to one. But if I can, I will.