>the fucking state of Marvel comics right now

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They still have more things I'm intrested in reading about going on at the moment

>>88204789
Seinfeld is a devout DC fan. No surprise there.

>>88204789
I feel ya, man. At least Spider-Man/Deadpool and Renew Your Vows are still going strong. Moonknight and Uncanny Avengers are pretty good too. How long till the Infinity Gems are renamed Infinity Stones?

Is it true their sales are tanking?

>>88205189
Yep, they're starting to give a shit ton of books away for free to inflate the number though. Even though it doesn't equate to profit at all, but whatever.

>>88205189
Think about who you are asking, and on what kind of thread you are asking it.

>>88205233
>If I pretend it's not happening it wont happen.

It's not something we made up, the information is public.

>>88204789
They haven't been good since missing out on the British Invasion desu

I'm still mad about Avengers Arena.

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>>88204789
>implying marvel has ever been good as a whole
They've had a few good runs here and there but let's get real here

>>88205283
How are DC's numbers? Going down too?
It's a trend in the business model as a whole.
The marketplace has changed.
And here's this shit thread trying to shove some sort of bullshit message about Marvel's subject matter that the OP has a problem with and using selective facts to pretend there's a valid point.
The truth is that the industry is no longer entirely focused on the one media form that is being measured here, the entire argument is just trolling.

>>88205464
>How are DC's numbers? Going down too?

No.

>>88205464
>How are DC's numbers? Going down too?

How out of touch are you?

>>88205189
Yep. Marvel is pretty much finished. Rebirth destroyed them.

>>88205464
DC is selling at all time highs and are completely dominating the industry. Marvel just can't keep up and are hemorrhaging readers. At the rate they're going, they'll be out of business by the next relaunch.

Ms Marvel 14 is Kamala stumping for Hillary Clinton analog.

Marvel charged 3.99 for that.

>>88205734
>Ms Marvel 14 is Kamala stumping for Hillary Clinton analog.
No? It was for the Jill Stein analog.

>>88205751
Jill Stein isn't real

she's a boogeyman made up by current year man to scare democrats into voting

>>88205700
Well then, seems like this thread is completely pointless then.
It's not as if you are trying to discourage the Marvel readership...

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>>88205189
>Pander entirely to a demographic that doesn't even read comics, let alone by them while at the same time alienating your very niche audience
>Surprised when your sales are absolute shit
I just wonder how long it's gonna take for them to realize where they're going wrong.

>>88205700
It turns out Ike Pearlmutter's tyreanical and oppressive governing style and the insular "boys club" of senior writers stretching themselves across so many books isn't a good way to sell comics.

Who knew insularity, stagnating ideas, and a pervasive aura of anger and abuse could be so bad at inspiring actual creativity.

>Gwen Stacy's alive
>Wolverine's dead
>AIM works for America
>Cap works for Hydra
>The X-men aren't a stand in for an oppressed minority, they're a stand in for Nazis...somehow that I still don't understand but apparently in universe characters do
>Galactus is the lifebringer
I don't even read comics and I'm mad.

>>88205734
>Ms Marvel 14 is Kamala stumping for Hillary Clinton analog.
One of the panels had them go "So we vote for an established person everyone hates or we vote for HYDRA" which is CLEARLY a reference to Hillary and Trump being undesirable choices. Kamala pushed for a third option who honestly is probably Bernie Sanders.

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>>88205298
Where will the next influx of weird innovators come from?

>>88205914
France.

>>88205914
Italy.

>>88205914
Uruguay.

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The clean up they do to "fix" all the issues is going to be so much worse. You think it's bad now... just wait till this time next year. It's going to be sooooooo fucking awful.

>>88205189
they're still doing better than last year, so no

>>88205952
This is all kinds of wrong, but I just don't care anymore.

>>88205914
Japan, doesn't get much weirder than manga.

Marvel should probably invest in an up and coming manga writer, give him a 10 issue mini with no in universe character useage restrictions and see how it goes.

>>88205982
>X-men
>NE

I think its on purpose.

>>88205952
Well they removed Mar-Vell from Carols origin in her movie, guaranteed that movie will be shit if they come up with an original origin.

>>88205914
Who knows. Maybe France or Belgium. Maybe Canada. Maybe some mangaka try their hands at western comics. I would welcome all of them.

>>88205857
Clone
Yes
It's great
Also good
Just Cyclops for some reason
It's good.

Half your list honestly is positive.

>>88205932
he said weird not sluts

>>88206063
That way it doesn't have to be a MANtle, it can be a WOmantle.

>>88205914
Not even meming, West Africa has a ton of cool shit happening rn

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>>88206033
>Japan, doesn't get much weirder than manga.
Are you trying to piss off the volcano?

>>88206136
What's some cool West African stuff going on? Any of it in English?

>>88206175
Just like the US they also have the big 2
Ebola and HIV

>>88205700
>DC is selling at all time highs
>all time
kek

>>88205825
They know what they're doing wrong. They have a whole litany of corporate structure employees telling them constantly about dropping sales, and dropping readership, and unhappy retailers. This isn't something that is going to smack them in the face one day by complete surprise, they just don't need to give a fuck at this point.

They also know that doing what is viewed as "right" is inconsequential. They can sell 3 floppies the entire year and it will still be fine, and the rationale is painfully obvious. This doesn't speak volumes for how fucked print media is, it speaks volumes to how incredibly irrelevant the opinions and thoughts of the old readership actually is. Sales mean nothing, and you're a fool if you think that this trivial sales figure bullshit will change anything.

>>88205857
>The X-men aren't a stand in for an oppressed minority, they're a stand in for Nazis
Yeah, except it's only Cyclops which is ridiculous because well, the Inhumans are more akin to the Nazis, what with the gassing to death and sterilization.

>>88206101
>Clone
Not even

>>88206283
GAS THE MUTIES
RACE WAR NOW

>>88206283
Cyclops was the X-Men.

>>88205952
well that's clearly fucked up.

you have inhumans and x-men switched

Shield is LN
Avengers LG
GoG NG

>>88206101
>for some reason

>>88206283
only cyclops

>>88206323
>cyclops was the x-men

>>88206323
you're not making it harder for me to feel bad about cyclops being out of the picture

>>88206355
Cyclops wasn't actually Hitler.
He was besmirched.

>>88206101
>Clone
We already did the Gwen clone story arc. Literally twice. Three times if you count Ultimate.

>>88205914
There won't be a new influx because the current crop of up and coming writers think they're innovative for having a gay or non-white character and end any attempts at creativity there

>>88206397
Damned right! Cyclops wasn't some syphilitic pedophile with a morphine problem who murdered everyone with a bigger cock than him.
Cyclops actually helped people, Cyclops never abandoned his friends and family even when they turned on him, Cyclops never stopped fighting to protect everyone.
Even after his death Cyclops was saving the lives of people who hated him.

>>88206033
Have you actually seen Marvel's attempts at financing manga and anime based on their properties? 99% of it sucked massive amounts of ass.

>>88207014
What about Galacta and that Spider-Man TV show?

>>88207014
That was Marvel mangaverse, shitty western made manga from the 90's. I'm talking about a real manga guy out of Japan, just one to see what would happen.

>>88205857
Honestly, Wolverine being dead, Cap Hydra and Galactus the Lifebringer are all great.

>>88207048
The Spider-Man TV show honestly wasn't that good outside of meme material, mostly because they had to rely on stock footage for all the giant monster fights after the robot suit got stolen. Also that was in the fucking 70's. None of Marvel's modern anime (Iron Man, X-Men, Wolverine) were any good.

Also Galacta is only good as cutesy fanfiction.

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Most of Marvel's book are garbage, but there are always good books by any publisher as you just need writers and artists who care about the material.
Sure, DC is killing it right now but there's still quite a few books worth checking out on the Marvel side of things.

>>88207221
> there's still quite a few books worth checking out on the Marvel side of things.
Such as?

>>88207293
Deadpool is ok

>>88207293


The Ultimates

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>>88207293
>Ultimates
>Power Man and Iron Fist
>New Avengers / U.S.Avengers
>Cage!
>Hydra Cap

Ghost Rider had a shaky first issue, but I have faith in Smith based on the first run he did with Robbie.
I've also heard good things about Totally Awesome Hulk, Deadpool, Renew Your Vows and Black Panther, but haven't checked them out personally.

>>88207293

Moon Knight

Jessica Jones

>>88206256

All time high for DC.

>>88207604
no they arent though

Alright, /co/. For the last few years Marvel has been absolute shit and I've pretty much read pure DC. I wanna get back into Marvel, but everything seems so shit and I tried reading the new ASM, but that was liquid garbage. Is there anything worth reading?
>Spidey/DP
>New Avengers
>Vision
Is there anything else?

>>88205952
>Neutral Evil
>X-Men
Yup, that's accurate. Fuck you, Marvel.

>>88207747
>Marvelcuck being this buttmad

>>88208053
when's she's not OOC on Champions or trying to get Jill Stein elected, Ms. Marvel is pretty good

>>88205857
>Venom isn't Flash Thompson or Eddie Brock but is instead some new edgy fuck

What's the creative team of Cable? Or did they not announce it?

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>>88204789
Comedy is their staple now

>>88207604
They really aren't, company wars or not. There was a time where cape comics sold a LOT more than they sell today. That time is looooooong gone.

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good thread

>>88205857
Add to those, that Thor has bitch tits and no dick.
Carol Danvers is somehow supposed to be the most popular, most powerful superhero.
Hawkeye killed Bruce Banner and doesn't get so much a slap on the wrist for it.
Superheroes don't have anything better to do than to fight other superheroes, all the fucking time.
Cyclops died for nothing.
A black teenage girl is the smartest person on the planet, smarter even than the likes of Dr. Doom.
Inhumans! Inhumans everywhere!

Marvel movies took inspiration from the good comics. Marvel comics are getting inspiration from the mediocre movies. Those comics will inspire worse movies that will inspire even worse comics.
>Civil War II
come on

>>88209658
>Marvel movies took inspiration from the good comics. Marvel comics are getting inspiration from the mediocre movies.
Hey, Minority Report was better as a movie than Civil War was ever as a comic

>>88205700
That's funny, because even with the Rebirth boost they sell lower than Marvel

>>88209948
lol
no they don't

The newest issue of Civil War 2 infuriated me. Bemis obviously never finished Minority Report, because Danvers is more obviously awful than Iron Man in Civil War.

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>>88209976
They had better sales this October

>>88210048
Anon, there's a reason October sales figures haven't been spammed on this board like every other month's.

>>88210048
Only because of the dirty tricks they employed to boost the Champions sales. Expect a very sharp dive though, after that.
The only other comic that actually did good, was Dr. Strange.
Those two comics, Champions and Dr. Strange did the best but still didn't get #1. That was Big Trouble in Little China.
The rest of the Top 10, was 4 DC titles, 4 Marvel titles (and one of them being Darth Vader, not an actual Marvel character) and the Walking Dead.
Other #1 issues like Clone Conspiracy and Death of X didn't even make the top 10, and other #1 issues like Infamous Iron Man and Jessica Jones didn't make the top 20.
The rest of the Marvel titles did as bad as ever. Very, very mediocre sales. The Top 50 had far less Marvel titles than DC titles just like every previous month since last summer. A problem that DC does not seem to share.
So Marvel seems to be doing well, thanks to continuation of the CW2 which for some unfathomable reason keeps selling, selling Champions through scholastics and Dr. Strange thanks to the movie.
I wouldn't be so optimistic about these if I were you.

>>88210121
Dude, no matter how much you turn it around, Marvel will still be on top in a few months.

Marvel had the loot crate boost, DC had the Rebirth boost.

I'm not optimistic about sales, because I don't really care. But you guys care so much you're in denial.
I don't give a shit how, Marvel is on top. That's a fact.

>>88205857
>things are different
Wow what the fuck are they thinking

>>88210166
No, Marvel drones are in denial.
Their comics don't sell, so they rely free giveaways, alternative covers, event after event after event, loot crates, scholastics and everything trick they can conjure to boost their sales.
DC doesn't do that. You know what, I'm not even a DC fag, I haven't read a single DC as a matter of fact but I've got to give credits where they due, DC doesn't do that. DC merely makes and sells comics straightforward.
And overall, more titles of DC sell much more better than those of Marvel.
Thanks to those tricks that Marvel employs, some titles like Champions did this month, will find themselves over-performing and then dropping like lead.
But generally Marvel comics sales are very mediocre. Why the biggest bulk of Marvel's titles doesn't even Top 100 anymore.

>>88210246
But their dollar share is still higher doofus.

Your anecdotal stories mean nothing when they don't reflect to the bigger picture.

It still flies over your head that DC sales are also on boost, so what is the point that you are trying to make here?

Yes, DC is doing great, and that's good, but they're still behind Marvel, so saying that they're on all time high or that Marvel is dying is complete denial.

>>88210246
>saying that
>on the back of a DC relaunch and double shipping
m8

>>88210246
"I don't read DC I just show up to troll on Marvel"
Lies and you'd be a cretin if it WAS true.

>>88210246
>DC doesn't do that

>reboot
Check.

>whoring out the watchmen
Check.

>loot crate boosts for batman family the past 3 years
Check.

>Variants shit, like Selfie variants to pander to tumblr
Check.

I don't know about that Johnson

>>88206063
It would be similar to Green Lantern. That's why the changed it.

>>88206690
DC did it first but they ignore it for some reason. Green Lanterns. Ken Kong. Midnighter and Apollo. Batwoman. It would not be new and innovative and if they bothered to research this would not have happened

>>88210275
Only this month and only because of selling the Champions through scholastics and Dr. Strange thanks to the movie and the stable CW2 sales.
Otherwise, DC was beating Marvel at it, for many months in a row. And they will continue once Marvel runs out of tricks.

>>88210276
Well, Marvel relaunches too all the time with their ANAD and their NOW and their NOW 2.0's.

>>88210284
True though, I was a marvel fan turned into a marvel hater after too many disappointments. DC is completely alien to me, I don't think I could get into it even if I tried.

>>88210328
Mate are you demented.

DC sales are also on boost, they just rebooted, and do double shipping, and their sales have been like 10% down since the reboot started.

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>>88210328
>DC is completely alien to me, I don't think I could get into it even if I tried.
It's funny that you say this, and at the same time you defend DC's practices when compared to Marvel. Either you know about DC or they are "completely alien to you" you don't get to claim both. Lying piece of autistic shit.

>>88210349
Yeah, well, so I don't know, whatever... I don't give a fuck about DC. I don't care how well or bad do they do.
But Marvel does bad and that's a hardcore fact, and if anyone thinks otherwise, they're delusional.

>>88210365
Seriously, give it up.

>>88210365
OK, cool Marvel does bad. But DC does worse.

>>88210355
Their comics are completely alien to me, their sales numbers though are online, and I see more DC titles selling better than most Marvel titles.

>>88210373
Give up what? Saying that Marvel's sales are shit, but that's the truth.

>>88210383
Comic books in general are kind of an iffy business.
Comes from spending decades intentionally narrowing your consumer base.

>>88210401
Seriously, you had a good Troll on, and >>88210383
Will still feed you all morning apparently, but you let your story get a little too bullshit, you can't amend it now and keep pretending.
4/10, significant replies, time to move on.

>>88210406
To be fair, treating comic books as ip farms has turned really profitable for the big 2

>>88210048
Dude, they artificially boosted their sales by taking advantage of Scholastic Reading Fair. Also, this month they're giving away a shit ton of free books. Marvel is in critical condition at this point.

>>88210420
That's an entirely different industry. It's not uncommon for relatively unknown or even unpopular things to switch media and become popular.

And Hollywood has always been able to sell fantastic escapism.

>>88210420
Well what would you rather sell, a 2 hour movie to millions or a 20 page comic book to a fickle audience?

>>88210443
Forgot the "fickle audience that will max out at 100k if you're lucky and/or Batman"

>Constantly pander to those who don't read comics and never will
>Constantly belittle and demean those that do.
>DC stops fucking up and offers a better product
>Marvel readers start jumping ship
Whoda thunk it.

If there's ever been a thread that perfectly encapsulates the fact that Marvel's audience the past few years have been moviefag posers from /v/ and /tv/, it's this one.

>>88210487
This. MCU is killing Marvel Comics in more ways then one. I can't wait for the super hero movie trend to die.

>>88210473
"Marvel Readers" have been aware of Batman and company for a long, long time.
Those that were intrigued with Batman started picking him up a long time ago.
Current Batman is inferior to any modern Batman besides some of the Nu52's worst drek.
The idea that Marvel Neckbeards are jumping to join DC Neckbeards when DC is just re-polishing the same old turns is quaint.

DC is just adopting some of Marvel's more effective strategies to move Bat Product to the people who've always bought it.

So with Trump elected and society at large going more right for the next few years, what will happen to Kamala?

>>88210501
Marvel sales are dropping and DC's sales are raising. There's clearly a correlation between the two.

>>88210502
It amazes me when people believe things are moving Right when they GOP was subverted by a "fake Republican" they and their Right media shills fought tooth and nail to reject.

The country may be moving in a populist, isolationist and strange direction, but it's not moving as the Right would have it.

>>88210519
Yes, Marvel is kinda throttling the X-Men (and to a lesser extent FF) franchise, and a shit-ton of their customers don't wanna read about Inhumans, they want full blown X-Men running the joint.

DC is cranking out ever more Batman product with sexy low issue numbers, which has always ginned up the insatiable audience for low numbered Batman of any quality.

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>>88210314

>reboot
Literally unrebooted Rebirth. Fuck look at fucking pic related

>whoring out the watchmen
wow, literally other than Manhattan there has barely been any references of them
>B-buh Gotham Guy is actually Nite Owl (How the fuck did this even work?)
>Three Jokers Comedian
>Question is Roscharch
>Muh Mr OZymandias
You're just seeing what you're wanting to see

>Loot crate boosts for Batman Family
Last I remember DC doesn't have their own monthly crate of crap unlike Marvel

>Variants Shit like Selfie Variants
not fucking incentivised you idiot. Retailers don't need to order 1000 just to qualify and there hasn't been any monthly themed variants since before Rebirth you doofus,

>>88204789
it baffles me why they don't have 2 lines of comics
-One that's traditional marvel heroes saving the day
-the other being whatever experiment their doing now

their just steamrolling the idea that its working and i should like it, like how dc is pushing cyborg

>>88205464
>And here's this shit thread trying to shove some sort of bullshit message about Marvel's subject matter that the OP has a problem with and using selective facts to pretend there's a valid point.

Better to have selective facts than bullshit straight from your ass.

>>88205298
Marvel was broke during the British invasion.

>>88210552
>it's okay when DC does it

>>88210564
>the other being whatever experiment their doing now
They used to call that Ultimate, and then they basically made a cinematic Unverse around what they liked in it and made shit-tons of money that way.

>>88205949
if only, the platense scene is pretty much dead. we don't have any real talent

>>88206136
Nigeria, or other countries?

African invasion when, I need more mb phomenes

>>88206690
I think americans are currently going through a pretty noice indie scene right now but nobody's paying attention to it.

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>>88204789
>Get on with the times grandpa. #It'sOurTime

>>88204789
yeap no wonder everybody makes fun of /co/mblr with stuff like this
>>88198725

>>88204789
Marvel has never been good. They've gone bankrupt like three times. They are incapable of making products that actually sell. If not for kikery they would have been dead years ago.

>>88210419
Gotten to. Holy shit.

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>>88206136
>talking about west african comics
Young guy just starting but I think worth looking at.

http://appleserum.wixsite.com/juni-english

Please go read the stories in the comics section. Hope you'll like it.

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It is weird to me, but in this age of easily avalable reprints and scans, that anyone at all would bother with modern Marvel OR DC.
Guys like King, Snyder, Ewing and Johns are held up as the best creators.
Ick.

Has everyone just forgotten what actual good cape comics are?
Fuck.

>>88205462
Claremonts og xmen run, early Dr strange and kirbys f4 are better than any dc continuos run

>>88210487
This

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>>88215544
People keep spamming this picture but like half of it isn't even relevant anymore, or out of context.

>>88210896
Is anyone actually gonna give Champions a chance?

Will admit I'm interested to see how far they can go with the young team being heroes by themselves before the inevitable Avengers coming in.

>>88210349
>and do double shipping

That doesn't mean that people will automatically buy it, the book has to be good too.

That's why Marvel doesn't double ship.

>>88215544
>before: 100% white men
>after: 75% white men
poor white people, must be so hard for you

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>>88206159
Is that really trap? Im going to need some source if so