The Flash Storytime Part 5 Johns Wally Run

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8b88US-6ts

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Good old GTA and Thug 2

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>>88199419

how many people does the flash personally know who could build this dude a new spine in an afternoon and he just says no and fucks off?

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>>88200776
I think there certain rules, plot Remember the time Booster try to prevent the killing joke from happening.

How's it going OP?

>>88200776
Considering Barbara Gordon was still Oracle at this point, nobody?

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>>88201461
>How's it going OP?
Pretty good and you anon.

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>>88201462
Guy Brother was also cripple, but he wear a armor suit.

>>88201475
I've been better. Have a friend moving and dealing with being robbed by crackheads and depression all in the same month or so. Shit's insane.

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>>88201581
>dealing with being robbed by crackheads and depression
That sucks feel better

>>88201581
Meant my friend is dealing with that, not me. Just trying to help him through it.

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Milestone issue

>>88201646
>>88201660
Those fucking tears in his eyes man

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>>88201708
>Those fucking tears in his eyes man
Scary

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Damn Jessi looks good

>>88201660
This guy is brutal. I always knew about zoom but I never actually read a comic with him doing his thing

I seriously love this arc so fucking much. What an awesome Flash storyline.

>>88202035
Fuck

>>88202012
P O T T E R Y

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jk, that touched my heart

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>>88202144
Brutal

>>88202035
That is....fucked up

>that time johns did omd

>>88202035
I'm sure NOTHING bad will come of this.

...Goddamn.

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>>88202267
Yup

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>>88202354
Until Rogue wars

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>>88196274

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>>>/v/359752002

>>88202571
Yeah, that's still a bit ahead of us. When Barry hops by again.

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>>88202286
This

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>>88203069
Thank you

>>88200592
>>88200592
I missed him so much /co/. Greatest thing Johns written for The Flash.

Also I think it makes more brutal that there wasn't a large amount of evil speedsters up until then, his emergence really meant SHIT JUST GOT REAL.

>>88203241
Man, I gotta say...this shit is *really* well written. And the art really does a good job of setting the tone

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>>88203444
I also loved that Thawne didn't get used often, that made him great.

Why does the Flash have such sadistic enemies? Thawne and Zoom seem so out of character for flash villains

>>88202035
and then the same shit happens to Inertia.

It's a shame the show messed with Zoom's character so much. Maybe they were afraid it would be too dark.

>>88203475
I think sometimes Johns doesn't get enough credit for how well he wrote this book. Most people acknowledge it's good, yes, but the writing is often really subtle and well-planned out. That said, there are definitely flaws as well, but no writer is perfect.

>>88203747
Batman is so brollic even his suit is veint

>>88203654
>That magic ink pen Linda used

>>88202035
Who will Wally do this to in now? I'm guessing Bar-Tor

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>>88203864

>>88203615
Flash has two types of enemies: the amiable ones who really aren't so bad, and the utter psychos. Johns did darken a lot of Flash villains, though.

>>88203747
why does johns keep making batman reveal his identity at the drop of a hat

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>>88201791

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The end thanks, for reading see you tomorrow.

>>88203458
>>88203492
This is why I like the Rogues. As kooky and dysfunctional as they are, they've got morals and standards.

Well, except Mirror Master offing Piper's parents and those FBI agents later.

>>88204269
Thanks Preacher, looking forward to it

>>88203675
Bruce Vein

>>88204269
Thanks OP!

>>88204341
McCulloch's a weird case, and to some extent it might be because he's a junkie. But he was also working under Blacksmith at the time, who was clearly not a good person and a bad influence. Cold's a better influence and a better leader.

What's stupid about McCulloch though is that in his very first story arc in Animal Man, he refused to kill a woman and children, so it was a bit jarring that he killed Piper's mom.

>>88203444
Unfortunately now you can't cross the street without getting ran over by an evil speedster. They're best used sparingly, possibly to up the shock and brutality since the rest of the Rogues wouldn't go that far.

>>88200817
Hunter's notes are starting to look like my own college notes.

...please ignore any sonic booms you may hear in the near future.

>>88205122
What I like about his notes is that he cites the issue where Thawne was killed as though it's a book. "The Slayer and The Slain" was the issue title and it was written by Cary Bates. It's a nice little touch.

>>88203615
Thawne and Zoom aren't Rogues.

They're completely different than the usual Flash enemies.

See also: Savitar, Inertia.

Seems like being an evil speedster means you're just a psycho piece of shit.

>>88204594
He dehydrated himself for days and put on the vaccuum-shrinking bat-suit just for this.

Wally is a good friend.

>>88202267
So is forcefully aborting someone's kids.

>>88204027
It's Wally.

Bruce doesn't hide who he is from his friends, not from those in the business, and Wally's openness about his own identity probably inspired Bruce a fair amount, over the years.

>>88203756
I feel like the main problem is he wanted to write Barry so he just kind of shifted Wally more towards Barry as the run went along. Slowly wrote everyone in the family out of the book and jumped through hoops to make his identity secret again (which is one of the very unique things about Wally that makes him quite different in theme from Barry).

>>88206479
True, but isn't this post-Identity Crisis? So shouldn't Batman be more leery around his fellow heroes?

Regardless, I'd still like to think Wally's amicable nature helped Bruce some.

>>88206678
Somewhat, but remember that it was Barry that was the Flash when the brainwiping happened. Wally picked up the red uniform later on.

Plus, like Bruce himself said, this is Wally, it's Dick's best friend, a boy Bruce has seen grow into a man, who made his mentor proud and carried on his legacy, doing his best to be the most open of all the major Supers. For him to now be trapped in a secret so big even he was tricked by it?

This was a big moment. It was a big step, on Bruce's behalf. Having it be Bruce that effectively set Wally on the path to being saved from being forgotten, again, in Rebirth, was some genuine poetry a lot of new readers wouldn't even grasp.

(The way he did it in nu52 justice league really didn't make a ton of sense, by comparison, you're right.)

>>88206742
Yeah, you're right since it was Barry who participated in Bruce's mindwipe. Wally wiped his identity from everyone, even himself.

Who is the fastest speedster regardless of Speedforce or not? I thought Wally but Zolomon is still running laps around him even with Jay's and Bart's combined speed.

>>88206963
Zoom is time-manipulating.

Wally was going so fast he started to be affected by relativeity, ie, affecting time, which is why he could 'catch up' to Zoom's altered time-state.

>>88200973
>>88200988
Based

>>88201184
Fucking spectre always being ominous

>>88202090
I love Barry
What a guy

>>88206678
This is actually right before Identity Crisis.

>>88206742
But Bruce and Wally don't even like each other.

It had nothing to do with "poetry." It was because of the letter and the scene with Batman holding the Comedian pin. That moneyshot was the entire point.

>>88206963
Zoom stomps Wally in a straight up one on one.

Because of speed stealing bullshit Wally can go faster than the concept of fast.

>>88200669

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPyTQbXg3II

>>88203615
Because Thawne and Zolomon are their "reverse". A hopeful, fun guy's reverse is pretty damn scary.

>>88203756
His overall writing is better than Waid's if you want to ask me, it's tighter. But he lost a lot of good will when he did Flash: Rebirth and Flashpoint and it's not easy coming back from them.
>>88206963
Hunter is a monster but that's mostly because Speedforce tricks don't work on him.

>>88208097
>But Bruce and Wally don't even like each other.

Their relationship is more complicated than that. Bruce likes Barry more but he likes Wally in his own way for being brutally honest.

Remember that this guy is his first partner's best friend and grew up with him.

>>88202090
Does anyone get a weird mix of both the DCAU and Arrowverse voices when reading these, getting Grant Gustin talking to Michael Rosenbaum in your head? Or do you guys have different Flash voices?

>>88209228
It's always Christopher Gorham and Jason Spisak for me.

Gustin's voice for a dad like character is weird.

>>88203747
who the hell is bruce wayne?

>>88207739
Truly

>>88208965
>His overall writing is better than Waid's if you want to ask me, it's tighter. But he lost a lot of good will when he did Flash: Rebirth and Flashpoint and it's not easy coming back from them.

In fairness to Johns, I'm not sure how much of that was his fault. Van Sciver was the one who pushed for Barry to come back, and the Brightest Day era of the Flash was terribly cut short by the need to usher in Flashpoint and thus the New 52. It's hard to say how much of that was Johns' doing and how much was pushed on him.

>>88208978
I would've thought that Bruce would not be a HUGE fan of Barry after, y'know, the whole mindwipe debacle.

At least Wally was horrified by it.

>>88209826
>Van Sciver was the one who pushed for Barry to come back,
MSG: Like with Hal Jordan, you had a critical place in the return of Barry Allen in Flash: Rebirth. What do you feel Barry brings to the DC Universe that’s unique among speedsters?

EVS: He’s the first Silver Age DC hero. I just love Barry Allen as the Flash. I was the guy who was really pushing to bring him back. When I would be in a cab with Dan DiDio, I would talk to him about the Flash. The series was having a lot of trouble and suffered through three relaunches that failed at the time. I said, “If you’d only let us bring back Barry Allen and let us do Flash: Rebirth, I’m sure we could get that franchise back on track again.” He would reply, “Oh no. He died a hero.” But I think we wore him down after some time, and he began to think it was a good idea. And indeed it was.

[Somebody yells from the con floor, “No, it wasn’t!”]

Ha ha ha! Must be a Wally West fan! But it’s led to Francis Manapul and Brian Buccellato’s amazing Flash series, so all in all, it was a good idea. The Flash is working again.

And I wanted to be the guy who brought back Barry AND Hal. I wanted that just to be me. I gave up Blackest Night to do it. You have to remember, I had co-created that story with Geoff and I was supposed to do that, and suddenly the opportunity to do Flash: Rebirth came up. I had a choice and I had to think about that long and hard. I chose to do Flash just because of that, to be able to bring back both Hal and Barry. I figured that would mean more to me long term, even though I watched Blackest Night happening with my teeth grinding — thinking, “This is so cool! Why am I not drawing this?!?!” But I got to design all that stuff.

>>88200592
Blitz showed me that Reverse Flashes do not fuck around.

>>88210079
They are crazy and sadistic sons of bitches. Honestly I like that Eobard and Hunter aren't used too much. Unlike the Joker who is around 24/7 to the point of some fans getting sick of him.

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>>88204990
>Unfortunately now you can't cross the street without getting ran over by an evil speedster. They're best used sparingly, possibly to up the shock and brutality since the rest of the Rogues wouldn't go that far.

Which is why I hate Rebirth Flash. Johns pretty much planned everything up to Blitz and focused on reimagining Rogues. It also wasn't a coincidence to pick a profiler who interacted with Rogues a lot. Johns legit put his entire effort into this creation.

I can't take evil speedsters like Godspeed seriously after reading this.You don't just get to appear in just a few issues and claim yourself to be "very important".

>>88203009
Has he worked for CIA in any continuum, by any chance ?

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>>88210515
Maybe

>>88210127
This, sad they will never be a manta/hunter/thawne team up.

>>88210673

>>88210219
>I can't take evil speedsters like Godspeed seriously after reading this.You don't just get to appear in just a few issues and claim yourself to be "very important".
Agreed with this

>>88209228
I would never use Gustin's voice for Wally.

>>88206963

Depends how you look at it.

It can be argued that fucking with time doesn't mean you're fast.

But it is the single most effective way to go about the problem of velocity, since the only measure of speed is using time units relative to space. Aside from straight up instant teleportation. So Zoom removes one of the essential limitations to speed allowing him to affect how long it takes him to travel somewhere without any regard to the space between the two points, which would require him to obey a certain speed limit.

It's like Hunter is racing with you and you're both on dirt and grass, but he can just change to a Zoom-only lane that's perfectly paved and stop on a dime or reach speeds without any acceleration, he isn't held back at all, but Wally literally compensates for that with pure horsepower.

http://pastebin.com/F1dywEqJ

>>88214175

>>88210879
Aye

>>88213406
Michael

>>88209472
Hal Please

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