French Censorship Laws

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You know, for the kids!

I am trying to find the name of this one french comic I read on 4chan ages ago which was about the brother of Jesus getting sent to an island to be the new messiah. If I remember correctly, the island was inhabited with among other things, sentient penises which turned people into stone if they came inside them and at one point two German? paratroopers invade the island to for scouting and the messiah switched the places of the one the paratroopers penis and face. I don't think this was aimed at kids though.

>>88195750
I join this anon in his search for the name of this crazy comic.

>>88195791
I also remember there being this Greek guy who was stranded on the same island who was trying to raise an army of child soldiers through consistent sex with his wife, but he kept failing because he was far sighted and kept doing anal instead. The messiah gave him glasses and solved his problem.

>>88195899
I want to reiterate my wholesale support for this anon. This comic must be found.

>>88195750
>>88195791
Les petites femmes by Pierre Seron

Volume 4 is the Messiah, it has up to 6 volumes I believe.

>>88195750
You sure you didn't dream that bro?

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>>88195750
>I also remember there being this Greek guy who was stranded on the same island who was trying to raise an army of child soldiers through consistent sex with his wife, but he kept failing because he was far sighted and kept doing anal instead. The messiah gave him glasses and solved his problem.

It's called "The Mini Girls #4" by Pierre Seron

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>>88196016
HOLY SHIT THERE IT IS
>>88196019
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR NOT BELIEVING ME

>>88196072
I read this. Weird, weird stuff. Fetishes that are niche for even c/o/

I'm getting it from the hubs right now, can upload when it's done.

>>88196072
>>88196103
>>88196126
This is what I find confusing about the French attitudes towards sex and gore in media. I know this isn't representative of the entire French culture but besides Japan I have never seen any other country create and publish stuff like this at least before the advent of internet. You would certainly not see stuff like this coming from US.

>>88195086
What I love about le petit spirou is it's still good after 20 years or so.
Compared to Titeuf for instance, the authors never compromised for profit.
>>88195503
Part of the disgusting new wave of cheap comics these past years with retard try hard "artists"
>>88196072
>>88196103
Nipples on cover = for adults even in France
>>88196126
Dunno about that one, not my country. Looks kinda bootleggy

>>88196144
>Dunno about that one, not my country. Looks kinda bootleggy

Do have scans of that volume?

>>88196144
>Do have scans of that volume?

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>Strong female lead that is in no way sexualized and is a good role model for young girls.

1970's were wild.

The Mini Girls 01 - The Holy Thingy
http://www32.zippyshare.com/v/VFe2qbIk/file.html
The Mini Girls 02 - ...Loosing Feathers
http://www32.zippyshare.com/v/GVzdJ2tn/file.html
The Mini Girls 03 - Dickheads
http://www32.zippyshare.com/v/vYZFqdoy/file.html
The Mini Girls 04 - The Messiah Returns
http://www32.zippyshare.com/v/yhqQXdW6/file.html

>>88195086
>students are white

Are you sure this is french?

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Did French adults actually buy and read these instead of just buying regular porn?

The fact that they were published clearly indicates that there was a market for them but who would have the strength of will (or lack of thereof) to actually buy such an item in the pre-online era where they had to interact with actual people.

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>>88197074
From what I've seen, there's a fair share of European porn that is also art porn by excellent artists (Serpieri, Manara, Ozkan) or also doubles as comedy and / or drama books.

Ozkan by example had a series that explored some aspects of sexuality from his point of view yellow fever as it's theme

It's very different to modern internet drawn porn/erotica which is dedicated almost exclusively to individual fetishes. Very different demographics and scenes.

From what I've seen too, the biggest adult scene is Italy, while France is comparable in size with other European scenes like the german one. The USA also had one too - Manara and Serpieri are Italian, Ozkan turkish, but he published most of his stuff int he USA.

>>88196801
Natacha was hot but Yoko Tsuno was clearly the best Spirou Magazine heroine.

>>88194997
>that mom in the background
I think I read that doujin.

>>88197311
What about french cartoons in television?

I mean based on the stuff they censored in the French edition of Steven Universe I would have expected them to have strict rules but on the other hand we had American Executives complaining about the "sexuality" of French animated stuff like Code Lyoko and W.I.T.C.H. (which was originally Italian, but the point still stands).

I literally have no frame of reference for French TV, but I remember people on /co/ (reliable source) often discussing how lenient French Censors were in comparison with Nipples often brought into the discussion.

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>>88197855
post credit scene of a french animated film

>>88196306
I haven't read any Titeuf for years now, what's different?

>>88197074
Looks like Jamie Hewlette's style

>>88197855
>French edition of Steven Universe
Are you sure you're not confusing that with the British one?

>>88198266

You wot?

>http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Steven_Universe_Censorship_in_Foreign_Countries

>crtl + f "France"

>The arcade game "Meat Beat Mania" was digitally edited to become simply "Beat Mania".

>Every time Jasper hits Garnet, the scene was replaced with a bright white flash.

et cetera

>>88198381
Huh, didn't know that.
I only knew of the British turning Ruby into a dude and cutting out any other lesbian references too.

>>88194997
>What type of censorship laws apply to French Comics and Television?
Stronger than the US and most of the west actually.
But erotic content is considered ok for kids if it's exaggerated. (hence why comedy abuse it)
Adult content is rare on animation (considered for kids no matter what /co/ wants to believe), but in comics it's common, thanks to adult magazines.
But if you think you can draw loli porn, you are in for a surprise. The "freedom of art" law is explicitly overwritten by the anti pedo laws that clearly state "every" depiction of child porn is illegal, including drawings.

>>88198381
That would be channel censorship though, not legal censorship. censoring "meat" doesn't make sense in French, there's no "beating your meat" equivalent. Especially not in English.

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>>88198773

>But erotic content is considered ok for kids if it's exaggerated.

[citation needed]

>>88199008
It's not a rule, just a fact. Comics aren't really "rated" there, so you can get Ptit spirou in a supermarket. Even the smurfs had a few naked asses or comedy stalking. While it's not as open as it used to be (thanks immigrants and religion in general), bare tits are still mostly OK.

>>88197561
>Yoko Tsuno
>Mary Sue, yellow fever bait

>Natacha
>Well rounded adventurer with a normal job

You have shit taste

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>>88196072

Damn westerners with their weird sexual degeneracy.
This is what actual men look at.

Polt has best plot.

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>>88196801
Comics in France and Belgium were heavily watched by moral governments. Until the seventies you couldn't have a female lead unless it was a little girl. Sophie was going to be 18.

>>88199707
Why though?

>>88199707
moral governments? can you elaborate

>>88199707
So the guy that invented the smurfs wasnt an outlier then? that fucker really hated women

makes sense yknow. under the seemingly tolerant visage of french culture lies dark fucking shit. it's easier for me since I disagree with both what they stand for on the surface AND underneath.

>>88201703
>im a special snowflake

>>88198158
Closest thing to the truth I can say is the author went from subversive and funny to full sell-out SJW.

>>88199335
Fuck off /a/ this show is terrible.

>>88201703
>makes sense yknow. under the seemingly tolerant visage of french culture lies dark fucking shit. it's easier for me since I disagree with both what they stand for on the surface AND underneath.
I've got no idea what you're talking about. Did you get raped by a baguette?

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>>88194997
The US is just puritanical and conservative, more than the French are super lenient.

>>88197561
This guy gets it. Natacha was all look, no substance. Yoko Tsuno was both kawaii and actually good to read.

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>Reread some of my Scrameustache recently
>Turns out it's really not that good
>Fear that maybe I had shit tastes as a kid and all my old French comics aren't as great as I recall them
>Read a Gaston
>It's still fucking hilarious
>Read a Spirou
>It's great
>Even Bob Morane holds up well enough

I guess Scrameustache really just wasn't good after all.

>>88196302
It makes more sense to not be prudish, honestly.
It's probably more healthy too.

>>88204567
2 Lewd.
This whole thread

>>88204542
>>88204567

Downloads?

>>88206227
There are pros and cons. In a society that encourages wanton sex, you're probably going to see a sharp rise in venereal disease.

>>88194997
>USA: Violence is ok, sex is not
>France: Sex is ok, violence is not
Source, a French

>>88200461
De Gaulle came back to power and passed a lot of authoritarian laws. Catholic church had a hand too. Comics were Public Enemy number One like in Britain and the US.

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More Sophie!

>>88209254
> usa: No guns though and animal abuse is OK too

>>88196072
>this artists is a popular and well-loved children's comics artist in France

It's the best part of it.

>>88196302
>but besides Japan I have never seen any other country create and publish stuff like this at least before the advent of internet.

Italy has a whole genre that's nothing but wierd porn and violence.

Really, all the countries that have an intact comic market have produced a lot of wierd porn, which is why the US has so little of it.

>>88199906
how young are you to not understand why?

>>88201703
>it's easier for me since I disagree with both what they stand for on the surface AND underneath
lol, what a tool.

>>88209480
Things will get really awkward the day we finally make laser guns a real thing

>>88197561
Yoko Tsuno edges on being a Tintin-style blank cavans-character, really.

Her only characteristic is that she really, really, really hates mind-control and tends to blow shit up until she's certain that it won't ever happen again in that particular region.

>>88209254
>>France: Sex is ok
lol non. it was in the 80's and early 90's but these days all media, backed by the governments, are pushing an American philosophy on all media.

>>88209524

I am sorry for not being familiar with the cultural history of a country which I have only visited three times in my entire life. The reason why I know so little about the French culture is the exact reason I made this thread in this first place, gosse.
So how about you enlighten me why a country who has been patting itself in the back for being the centre of western freedom since the day Robespierre learned how to get an erection suddenly went full conservative in the post WW2 period instead?

>>88210025
Half of the country went fully Nazi during WW2 and they, like all Republics, always had a good reservoir of conservatives.

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>>88204542
>>88204567
Source? Please. Why is this art style so appealing to me?

I need to read more French comics with a fun cartoony art style like this. But I don't know where to start.

>>88210364
Read Miss Don't Touch Me by Kerasocet

>>88198773
>But if you think you can draw loli porn, you are in for a surprise. The "freedom of art" law is explicitly overwritten by the anti pedo laws that clearly state "every" depiction of child porn is illegal, including drawings.

Depends on country. Over here, it is legal, as long as no actual children were part of the creation, ie. no child abuse was done.

>>88203322
Example?

>>88210364
Its from "Les Profs", which is actually about the teachers lives.
This must be one of the recent books because the old ones had a different, less cartoony artstyle.
It also has 2 live-action movies

>>88204542
>>88204567
Name of the comic please !
Or a download .. or something..
come on dude throw me a friggin bone, my bonercopter can't take off if you don't help me out bro !

>>88207780
I didn't mean encouraging lots of sex though.
It's more like telling people that nudity and sex are normal things and not to be afraid of.
Of course, that's something the people have to decide on, and they'll choose whatever is being made most "normal".

>>88194997

When I lived in France back in the 90's it wasn't unusual to see straight up porn on broadcast TV. And BDs with strong adult content were available in most book shops. Obviously things could have changed since then but generally I think it's fair to say the attitude is that adults can make their own desicions about what they want to see.

>>88194997
Its kind of funny (depressing) how the UK is the polar opposite in this regard.

Plenty of people would be completely happy to wipe out erotica and porn because nobody DECENT is interested in that sort of stuff.

>>88209436
So the french attitude of LIBERETE saved their comics with "fuck you we want free speech"?

>>88194997
except for straight up erotic comics their is no signalisation for comics
unlike Japan there is almost no animation for mature audience because people who do animation in France consider animation=for kids. This is ironic because France is second beyond Japan for anime/manga as a market and some anime are showed on TV.
Rating is less severe in France regarding violence and sex on television (Hateful Eight is rated -12 yo in France).

>>88209508
Yep. Les Petit Hommes and Les Centaures. Read both in Spirou. Heard he's not doing too well healthwise.

>>88197074
My father have Serpieri and Manara stuff.

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>>88211285
Yeah, I heard he had a stroke or something.

He is also the uncle of the guy who draws Melusine by the way.

>>88211285
Isn't he also writing the one about the red-headed witch girl under another pen-name?

>>88211346
No, the guy who draws Petit Femmes is Pierre Seron. His nephew, Frederic Seron (pen name Clarke) is the one drawing Melusine.

>>88197855
>What about french cartoons in television?
French production is almost exclusively aimed for kid around 10yo because people here think cartoon=kids.
But to my knowledge there is no censorship today of cartoon from foreign countries. It wasn't the case in the late 80's-early 90's era when French channel bought shitload of anime licence without looking for what public it was aimed for.
Result : the french voice actor were so shocked about the content of Hokuto No Ken they went on strike until they had the right to edit the dialog and content of the series.
The result was so ridiculous it's considered as a fucking gem of cringe in France

>>88199008
there is no rating system for comics in general except a warning for erotic/porn comics.
Nudity alone isn't considered as erotism or porn

>>88211264
Pretty much yes.
We didn't have a Comic Code Authorithy because pissing of government is a national sport.
An other example was the magazine Hara-Kiri. The magazine had the catchphrase "stupid and mean" and was full crude humor (you can almost see it as some sort of proto/b/. It had a shitload of very crude humor (scat, sex, gore humor) and had a shitload of lawsuit because of it.

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>>88194997
Every french publication can be censored. It's the work of the "Commission de surveillance et de contrôle des publications destinées à l'enfance et à l'adolescence" (Watch and Control Commission of Publications for Children and Teenagers) since 1949. It can range from full autoritarian (Hara-Kiri being shut down in the De Gaulle years) to completely lenient.
Contrary to its name, it controls EVERYTHING published in France, and it got more than a couple ridiculous edicts under its belt.
Basically people nobody care about, with a lot of power as a result.

On the other hand, you can usually pass a lot of stuff as parental bonus or jokes. Also, adult comics (in every way) were bigger in Europe than in the US since the sixties (I'd link it to the italian market as a whole and the french magazines like A Suivre or Metal Hurlant that appeared shortly afterwards), so it has shaped the mind of most people.
I mean, Wolinsky is considered a great artist, despite being neither talented nor inspired IMO. And he only drew naked women.
You also had some excellent comics that just happened to have sex scenes in them; like Indian Summer (not related to the pornstar)

As others anons have said, you can do tentacle guro porn comics and do illustrations for kids books with another editor, and nobody will bat an eye.
It's fairly common practice, in fact.

On a sidenote, french laws are quite laid back about nudity. So you're not gonna censor tits on your comics when you can see them by the dozen on the beach.
I got a bunch of people swimming naked in a nearby river on a regular basis, and the cops don't give a fuck.

>>88210618
Boulard. Les profs spin-off.
The original series had some cuties, too.

>>88211441
Not really cringe, just classic so-bad-its-good. It replaced pretty much the entire plot with heaps upon heaps of goofy voices and horrible puns and it was glorious.

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>>88211441
>>88211594
I had to look it up for myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHzG42u15k4

>>88211594
>Not really cringe, just classic so-bad-its-good
that's what I wanted to mean.

>>88198862
the question is, is that more censorship or localization?

If there is no "Meat Beating" equivalent, why not drop the meat bit of Meat Beat mania. It faintly reminds me of old anime dubs, Calling those rice balls donuts and whatnot.

The Jasper hitting Garnet thing... Might count as regular lite censorship. "Violence is Bad"

>>88211676
>The Jasper hitting Garnet thing... Might count as regular lite censorship. "Violence is Bad"
That would be really specific especially when they show other shows without edition such things.
France had a stigma against anime a decade ago but again it was channel self censorship since the violence wasn't (and isn't to these days) illegal as long as you tag it properly

>>88211441
>The result was so ridiculous it's considered as a fucking gem of cringe in France
the thing is, if you watch the real dub, it's just as stupid most of the time. the villains ARE retarded and talk like children in it. they just made their own puns on top of it.

>>88211264
Free speech doesn't exist in France by the way, but you can enjoy a lot of freedom if you're an artist.

>>88211441
>French production is almost exclusively aimed for kid around 10yo because people here think cartoon=kids.
the few excpetion for it are persepolis and the show "les kassos" (the dorks). This one is an extreme exception because I don't remember an actual animated series with actual crude humor but the majority of it's diffusion is on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VzxtZJhNJc

>>88203936
Yeah, I had the same thing happen to me a couple years back. I don't think it's terrible or anything, but I don't understand how it could have been one of my favorites. They should have scrapped the scrameustache entirely and made the serie about the galaxiens, those were the best parts.

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>>88197311
I've been staying in Prato, Italy for 2 months, and I can second this with a qualifier. What I noticed when I was at to Lucca, a big comics city, was that "erotic comics" were just put right out in the open for sale at markets. However, When you open stuff like Isabella up, the sex scenes normally take up about the first eighth of the actual book, and the rest is an actual real comic book with full characters and themes at work.

I've actually taken a Lit course on the history of porn, so this stuff interests me. Stuff like Isabella and Italian Fumetti smut has more in common with Victorian or pre-Victorian than it does with erotic lit from its own period because it's much more like a narrative that incorporates sex and sensuality as a given, rather than having a story that is just an efficient delivery system for scenes of fucking.

Passengers of the Wind is typical of how comic books are treated in France. It's full of sex and violence, but since it's historical and artistic, nobody bats an eye about it.

>>88199335
HUE

>>88211441
>are you the man with seven knives

KEK

>>88203651
Probably talking about the Front National making strides politically at the moment.
Of course he's talking shit still because saying the "on-the-surface" belief tolerance is just as bad is basically an "all sides are bad" throwaway.
>surely tolerating muslims is just as bad as actively persecuting them.

>>88211856
Kassos was fucking hilarious. Too bad they stopped doing english subtitles.

>>88212011
The surprising thing is it was aired at 6 pm on a private channel while stuff like South Park were aired on TV at 10pm since 2007 (it was 6-7pm before)

>>88211856
>This one is an extreme exception because I don't remember an actual animated series with actual crude humor
That's nothing compared to Les Sales Blagues de l'Echo.

>>88211441
Same with City Hunter / Nicky Larson
J'ai fait exprès de le dire que j'étais mort! J'espère que tu sais nager!

>>88212033
I'm speaking of something aimed on TV.

>>88212101
Not limited to France but I also heard censorship also applied to Sailor Moon because the actual dialog have lot of yuri undertone

>>88212027
The early eps of Kassos were a bit tamer though. Yeah you had Sandy's escapades, but even that was censored.

Contrast that to later episodes that have Belle slapped on the face by an erect buffalo penis on screen. Then getting fucked by a buffalo, shown pregnant, and giving birth to a half breed.

>>88197066
>Any French
>White

>>88212138
you have also the masochistic fapping bunny

>>88212033
>>88212102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-A1kw3Gtt4

>>88212102
But it was airing on TV (Canal+).

>>88212298
what year ?

>>88203682
Doesn't the US have the world's largest porn industry?

>>88212316
1995 - 1998

>>88203936
Shit, I used to love Scrameustache. Now I'm wondering what else might have been shit. Was Les Petits Hommes actually shit? Ric Hochet? Buck Danny? Gil jourdan? Ponpon et Modeste?The like 100 different Raou Cauvin comics I've read (Except for tuniques Bleues, I'm willing to bet that's still legit)? So many questions...

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What is the target audience of Wake in France?

Pictured: American release of Wake in comparison to the original art.

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>>88197561
Sorry, but you're wrong.
I'm still amazed by some of the shit that was published in Spirou. Who thought Charly was appropriate for kids?

>>88211856
Start-up Heroes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0KM_iDCFIA

L'Abécédaire de François-Rémy Jeansac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGEExieF2IY

Lascars/Homiez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtAtX_HvV9s

Probably some others that I'm missing.

>>88212358
The US thinks showing a female nipple will forever corrupt the soul of anyone younger than 18 years.

>>88212459
At the beginning, young adults.
Dunno how the readership evolved afterwards.

>>88212125
I know the english version of sailor moon was censored kissing cousins indeed But I don't think it was the case in the french version.

>>88212366
I'm speaking about after 2007 when Canal+ and other channel started to air South Park and similar stuff at 10pm instead of 7pm

>>88212138
there is an interview of the Kassos creator where they admit to have censored themselves.
They wanted to do an episode about Thomas the Tank Engine who was a Nazi colloaborator in the deportation of the Jew during WW2

>>88212459
Sillage is one of the best French comic series, with Lanfeust,
If you want some good comics to read try at the Edition Soleil, they do some great stuff

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>>88194997
I cannot speak on behalf of French culture but I can tell you what I know about the Turkish censorship.

Turkish television is heavily censored by RTÜK which censors among other stuff, alcohol, drugs, cigarettes and gore which are usually pixelated . Sex scenes are usually completely removed from movie.

However the Turkish comic and magazine industry is the complete opposite with many of them (in particular the political ones) often showing nudity, gore and other stuff you wouldn't see on the TV. You can see one such example on the left. Although the Turkish government itself isn't happy about the existence of these magazines, they are widely popular within the Turkish community and are seen as one of the last bastions of free press in Turkey (although god emperor Erdogan may soon be slaying them). This is mainly because of the growth of a comics and political magazine culture which begun as early as late 60s within Turkey with many Turkish artists being heavily influenced by the translated versions of Franco-Belgian in their childhood. Many old political cartoonists such as OĞUZ ARAL are highly regarded as important artists within the Turkish community same way a famous painter would be.

>>88212621
>Thomas the Tank Engine who was a Nazi colloaborator in the deportation of the Jew during WW2

ahahah fucking hell

>>88212641
>Turkish television is heavily censored by RTÜK which censors among other stuff, alcohol, drugs, cigarettes and gore which are usually pixelated . Sex scenes are usually completely removed from movie.

what the fuck

>>88212638
>one of the best French comic series, with Lanfeust,
hmm.

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>>88212670

Is for the protection of the public brother!

>>88212695
Ah sorry
IMO*

>>88212705
They're broadcasting a CNBC feed without removing the CNBC logo? And censoring a cigarette with that ridiculous...thing?

>>88212743

CNBC-e is the Turkish contractor of CNBC and broadcasts shows in Turkish.

And yes they use flowers to censor cigarettes and alcohol.

>>88212492
>Who thought Charly was appropriate for kids?
Hey, that was actually one of my favorite Spirou magazine comic when I was a kid. Well, I loved Soda and Jérôme K. Jérome Bloche too, so I guess I was a strange one.

>>88212621
>They wanted to do an episode about Thomas the Tank Engine who was a Nazi colloaborator in the deportation of the Jew during WW2
That's hilarious.

>>88212788
nuts

>>88204542
>>88204567
>les profs
I still don't undertand the appeal of this comics. The gags are so unfunny even Kaio wouldn't laugh at it. But then again, if garbage like Boule & Bill can be a classic, why not that shit too?

>>88212941
well, my mother is an highschol teacher, and I can tell some gag are pretty accurate to what she live in her job

>>88212941
>Boule & Bill
>garbage

Look, I don't care for it either but it's not garbage.

>>88196302
>You would certainly not see stuff like this coming from US.
I don't see what's different between this and the skin-tight suits of most hero girls.
At elast the frogs are honest about it.

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>>88212695
Soleil's stories are quite retarded, but it's still good mindless fun, with great art and cheesecake

>>88211282
Reminder that France partly produces Ari Folman movies and Bernard Arnaud financed the Prophet, and that's outside of "debatably adult" stuff like Chomette's or Sfar's. And then there's les Lascars and that show with the lewd Candy Candy that /co/ loves. And also Lastman.
So I'm calling bullshit on that, the French adult animation industry is doing leagues better than the US.

>>88213049
Yeah, it's not funny because it was aimed at young kids in the 60's. The art is still charming and it's very comfy.

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people are still confusing sex/erotism with nudity: the thread

>>88213105
>Lastman
I should watch this, I forgot about it.

>>88211789
It does exist but is hindered by hate speech laws.

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>>88213116

Whats the difference - Johnny T. American

>>88212641
Do you foresee Turkish cartoonists fleeing the country? At least those that live to fight another day can tell their story elsewhere.

>>88212453
Pretty much. Tuniques Bleues does hold up.

>>88213105
Florent Maudoux wanted to do an adaptation of his comics Freak's Squeele. He started to try with a Japan collaboration but he had to stop.
He said every French animation studio told the series would have to be aimed toward children so he put his project in pending.
Every french comics adaptation (Valerian, Lanfeust, etc) were aimed to a younger public than the comics

>>88213161
That's what I mean, there's hate speech laws and various other bullshit like laws against disrepecting national symbols, encouraging terrorism,... It's completely different to American free speech.

>>88213176
nudity=naked people
erotism= sexual context (implying partial complete nudity)

>>88213247
>disrepecting national symbols, encouraging terrorism
A-america?

>>88212641
They haven't been arrested for presumed collaboration with Kurds yet?

>>88212941
Boule et Bill had better art at least.

>>88213200

At the rate which the government is shutting down the few remaining free news outlets, running away seems to be the wise decision. However, I don't see many cartoonists fleeing because being arrested as a journalist and/or cartoonist is seen as a sign of bravery as it illustrates the determination of the person. Similar to the Japanese culture, honour and martyrdom form a great part of the Turkish culture which is why more often than not people of important status are either killed or imprisoned. It is also why you see the occurrence of violent protesting in Turkey.

>>88213248
>implying partial [or] complete nudity
I disagree. Some people pay tremendous sums of money to have sex in latex or furry bodysuits.

>>88213285
At least there's no swearing on the bible bullshit in France like in America.

>>88213228
Yet other people manage to do it.

>>88213358
keith ellison was sworn in on thomas jefferson's koran

>>88213342
this is why I say implying

>>88212638
>Edition Soleil, they do some great stuff
Urgh. Nope.

>>88213247
I can tolerate the interdiction of hate speech and terrorism apology, but that law against disrespecting national symbols is a fucking shame...

>>88213228
That was partially because they just couldn't get proper animation models, every character was over detailed for animation.

>Every french comics adaptation (Valerian, Lanfeust, etc) were aimed to a younger public than the comics

Reminds me of Trolls of Troy, a comic about cannibalism and who-can-pee-further jokes, and they made a dofus-tier animated show out of it.

>>88213358
>At least there's no swearing on the bible bullshit in France like in America.

There was none of that bullshit in the US until Reagan. Don't vote for retards who're know to be unable to tell the difference between hollywood movies and RL.

>>88212805
>Jérôme K. Jérome Bloche

Reminder that he friendzoned his childhood friend who wanted his Jerome.

>>88211338
Nice, didn't know that

>>88212453
It's been a while since I read Les Petits Hommes, but I remember more adult stories (like an album on a parallel and apocalyptic Earth) and a better perspective in general.

>>88212805
>I loved Soda
I loved Soda but the last one who came out two years ago after a fucking long pause was shit

>>88213640
you are a shame. It's a form of hate speech. If you can't respect the country that protects you, fuck off back to carbombia.

>>88213595
urzepznfpnof, yes.

>>88212941
>garbage like Boule & Bill
wew lad.

>>88212459
>What is the target audience of Wake in France?
12+

>>88211916
Fuck you, it's an outstanding series.

>>88212453
>Was Les Petits Hommes actually shit?
They're still okay, but I don't think they ever were as good as Spirou. To me their main draw of the series were the flying machines though.

>>88212641
Yo, translate some of those comics about the dude who doesn't wipe his ass. I know the character is stupidly popular.

>>88213767
Too bad because she was a cutie.

>>88210025
>women were respected because the French revolution
You are literally officially fucking retarded.

>>88210479
not in France. France states all drawings are considered child porn because they don't want to allow grey areas.

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Speaking of adult animation I recommend everyone who lives in France to watch Lastman. It may revolutionise the animation industry over here.
Let's show the retards who run TV channels that there is an audience for adult animation in France.
Plus it's really good

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>>88194997
Obligatory.

>>88211191
>France back in the 90's it wasn't unusual to see straight up porn on broadcast TV
untrue.
literally only 2 adult movies on French TV at the time :
M6 sunday night, reran the same 10 erotic movies (rate 16, not porn) over and over.
Canal plus had a porn movie every first Saturday of the month. But they are a paid channel.
That's it.

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>>88214056

>>88213070
>that attrocious cartoon "adaptation"
>After Landfeust's was so shit the creators tried to get it cancelled and officially called it shit
You'd think their work would be easy to animate. And yet.

>>88214013
>>88214037
>>88214056
>>88214090
As seen in Spirou #3000 (October 11th 1995), so you KNOW it's a great story.

>>88196302
What are Robert Crumb Comics?

>>88214013
>>88214037
>>88214056
>>88214090
I had forgotten about this one, probably my favorite Petit Spirou story.

>>88213967

>I am sorry for not being familiar with the cultural history of a country which I have only visited three times in my entire life. The reason why I know so little about the French culture is the exact reason I made this thread in this first place, gosse.
So how about you enlighten me why a country who has been patting itself in the back for being the centre of western freedom since the day Robespierre learned how to get an erection suddenly went full conservative in the post WW2 period instead?

=

>women were respected because the French revolution

???
??

>>88211245
>Plenty of people would be completely happy to wipe out erotica and porn because nobody DECENT is interested in that sort of stuff.

My British side agrees but my Italian side tells me the porn just isn't good enough.

>>88214278
Memes and Muslims.

>>88214278
not him but France was pretty socially conservative until the 60's, crude humor was here but the moral authority was pretty strong

>>88214090
That narration is godly. It's like poetry.

>>88212638
>Sillage is one of the best French comic series, with Lanfeust,
HAhahAHHAhHAhAHA

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>>88214374
Things moved fast in the 60's though.

>>88214090
>>88214037
>>88214013
post more

>>88214396
See
>>88212708

>>88214374
Outside of literature of course.

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>>88214599
"I'll show you mine if you show me yours."

Why don't you frenchfags scanlate some comics and instead of being a dumb frog-eater.

sosich and philly aren't enough.

I love how he draws feet
not fetishy, theyre just cute and expressive

>>88214278
we didn't need more proof you were retarded. You think "freedom" mean "female respect". There's no coming back, or excuses. you can't even type anymore.

>>88214013
This one is so fucking great.
Too bad so much Petit Spirou stories are one shot and the side characters never appear again.

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>>88214682
I scanned the two mickey, now someone need to translate them.
(also did Spirou journal d'un ingenue).

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>>88214599
I only got Dutch version ones beside those pages.

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>>88214766

>>88214766

The Micky books are licensed and coming out from IDW. The one in your picture actually recently came out in english.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1631406949/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

>>88214838
but not scanned

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>>88214783

>>88213660
>>88214145
I didn't even know that they did a Trolls animated version. Blissful ignorance.
It's probably even worse than the Titeuf, Kid Paddle, and Leonard dessins animés

>>88214944
I remember watching the English version of the Kid Paddle cartoon at a Big Lots, that shit is worse than cancer. At least the cartoon is

>>88214857

You can scan the french edition, then scan the english edition you frog-tickler.

Print only english edition stuff is practically never going to get scanned nowadays. If it doesn't have a digital version, you're outta luck unless you're one of those weirdos that buys comics.

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>>88212641
Here is some Oguz Aral classics

Translatation: You are wasting your time, my mother is the other one.

>>88215561
your lose

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>>88215620

(Avni is the name of the child who speaks broken Turkish that is often undecipherable)

Panel 4: You pervert! I am telling this to your mother

Panel 6: At this age and in the middle of the street!

Panel 7: This is how rapists are brought up. The country is in a terrible state!

>>88215493
The comics are great though, I re-read a few of them recently and the author really nailed making funnies about all the subjects you like as a boy of that age.

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>Troll de Troy animation
Don't look for it
Don't make my mistake
Especially if you've read the comics

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>>88215731

Panel 1: Did you know Avni, it was I who drew you.

Panel 2: I also drew you a nice house so you wouldn't live on the street

Panel 3: I was the one who drew these apples, because I knew how much you loved them.

Panel 4: I also drew Miss Selma so you could look at her legs when she came to visit your house.

Panel 5: (Avni in very broken Turkish): What about him?

Panel 6: Of course I also drew Dilaver my little Avni!

>>88214090
>>88214090
english version?

>>88215620
>>88215731
>>88215846
Love the art style. Apparently Oguz is known as the "Godfather" of Turkish cartoonists.

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>>88215829
They made Waha look cute, but that's about the only thing good about it.

>>88215966
>Godfather
Absolutely not halal.

>>88196302
No no! It is the other way around. US killed nearly any comic that was not capeshit, the other countries didn't had this bulshit but Brazil's most famous comic artist tried to limit even capeshit so it could have been worse.

>>88214037
name of artist?

>>88216101
>she sees your dick

>>88216118
>but Brazil's most famous comic artist

Is that the guy who drew comics about anthro dragons with tits and tried to go fully Jodorovsky and start his own sect, or am I thinking about a Mexican dude?

>>88216194
They eat humans in the comic

You're oficially a vorefag, anon

>>88216186
Tome et Janry. Can't remember which one did the art, though.

>>88216265
Janry do the art.

>>88216244
>They eat humans in the comic

That's the joke here, yes.

>>88216244
>>88216344
She have another concept for hotdogs.

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>>88216194
>she sees your dick

Yeah, that just means she wants to bite it off.

>>88216244
>You're oficially a vorefag, anon

Vore is that stupid shit where they swallow someone in full even if it is completely ludicrous.

Waha and the trolls don't do that, they eat you proper as food, not as a retarded fetish. You are to them as a pig is to you. They are just higher up the food chain.

>>88212584
>>88212125
They almost made an American approved version https://youtu.be/xS027mYtRu8

>>88212492
How about Les Innomiables?

>>88214944
Leonard had a cartoon?
For what purpose?

>>88217606
Hurting people and making kids dumber

It's 3D garfield tier horrible

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>>88210541
Whole series got flanderized, first volumes had some deepish themes about being a kid and very lewd humor, but it's that kind of series that became a watered down caricature of itself where jokes are much safer and more superficial, with a cast of very not-subtle minority characters and social issues thrown in.

I don't have exemples laying around so you'll have to take my word for it, but I'm really not exagerating in the slightest.

It started as something that kids, young adults and adults could all enjoy, but after Titeuf became super popular in France, Zep changed the series into something even more politically correct than American cartoons, ie ""marketed towards kids"", completely dumbed down and losing its deeper themes.

The Titeuf cartoon is also disgustingly bad: terrible animation, and offensively stupid dialogues, that just "pretend" to be the original material for "dumb kids who don't know any better" (see: marvel movies)

Just as everywhere else, fame/money and political correctness ruin everything.

>>88217675
No surprise. Even reading the comic is very disappointing as an adult, I'll echo other anons' feelings about Scrameustache regarding Leonard. They're just not funny.
So it's really like Garfield.

>>88210541
An exemple comes to mind: Early volumes were way more graphic: Titeuf's parents having sex in an explicit missionary position for instance, even with his mom's nipples showing.

Recent volumes play safe with graphic content, as if kids didn't enjoy nudity/the earlier ones.

>>88217725
Yeah, I felt the same thing trying to re-read Leonard. But like >>88203936 says, Gaston: Forever Great

>>88214013
>>88214037
>>88214056
>>88214090
I remember this from somewhere. Must have read it when I was in Belgium a while back.
Which reminds me, the Belgian comic known as Urbanus is pretty similar to some of the French stuff being posted.

>>88217712
Titeuf is a really weird case, the early albums were aimed at kids with the specificity that sex was a central aspect of the book, specifically how kids are confused by it.
So you knew that wouldn't stay in cartoon form where parents theoretically have less control over what their kids consume.
Something that happened very early in Zep's success was him working with the Geneva Canton on a Titeuf themed sex ed book. And while that's honorable, it was the start of him selling out, followed by him making public signs against littering. So you knew the guy was open to some jew golds.
Then came Tcho!, the first successful Swiss BD magazine in decades, headlined obviously by Zep, which also allowed him to diversify his output into other works like his comics about teenagers, which in turn became the receptacle for most of Zep's blue humor, taking it away from Titeuf.
But the guy was always a sellout waiting to happen, you could feel it.
t. Mountain Jew

>>88217813
For sure. The physical comedy alone is some of the best in comics.

>>88217824
It gets posted here all the time because loli.

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>>88211441
>French production is almost exclusively aimed for kid around 10yo because people here think cartoon=kids.
There's Lastman, currently airing and being awesome adult animation

>>88213967
While visiting the US in the 1820s, de Tocqueville observed the high respect that American women were held in against their European counterparts. In particular, he commented that rape carried the death sentence in the US while in France, it was a misdemeanor offense.

>>88211338
There's a comic by his nephew Clarke where he talks about his uncle's disease, he's almost completely paralyzed, can't talk or leave his bed.

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>>88218094
At work right now but bringing you another semi honorable Zep sellout.

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>>88218730
Here it is.

Anyone who wants to translate, be my guest.

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>>88218930
Fin.

>>88218903
>>88218930
>>88218984
That's... pretty damn depressing.

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>>88212499
There's sometimes not much difference between The US and Iran

>>88218903
>>88218930
>>88218984
Fuck the tears keep coming

>>88212705
Kek.

>>88213049
>>88213112

I have even seen a cartoon of it in the eighties. It was nice.

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>>88197066
>Are you sure this is french?

>>88216101
Why does she look like a bad animecharacter and whats the green stuff attached to her head?

actually I don't want to know what the green stuff is.

>>88217824
The comic is quite surrealistic and crude, but I don't like the style as much as Spirou/Robbedoes

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>>88219751
forgot pic

>>88214682
Bilingual fag here. I'll translate if someone does the tedious typesetting and editing and shit.

What do you even want scanlated?

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>>88211338
>mfw scanlations never

There's even digital raws for 1-24 now ;_;

>>88214682
kaskus.co.id/thread/000000000000000003870846/scanlations/

>>88196126
...why is everyone naked in the snow?

>>88220880
Melusine is pretty mediocre, the art is enough for your needs.

>>88220880
yeah, >>88221028 is right. There's really not much to Melusine, the gags are very hit and miss and even when they hit they're not great. I mostly read it as a kid because I found Melusine and the fairy chick hot.

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Goodnight, sweet prince ;_;7

>>88199008
Please see every french cartoon ever for reference

>>88221295
>No sticky

What a slap in the face

>>88212638
I only came in this thread to add to the other comments saying Soleil is garbage.
Everything they publish is absolute shit.

>>88221338
At least it was the biggest Gotlib thread /co/ ever had

hell, i'm just grateful it lasted as long as it did

F

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>>88211616
Jesus christ, this is fucking hilarious.
I really needed this.

>>88220843

Je,Francois Villion.

There was the one thing that got posted on /co/ a while back that I think was called "A Lemur at Camp".

Anyone familiar with that? I never got to see how it ended, if it even has an ending.

>>88221541
>No raws on libgen
Hmm. I'll check out the libraries near me then, if I find some raws I'll to the TL during Christmas break for you anon. Afraid I can't do it just yet with finals this week and then next. Well, assuming I even find some raws.

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>>88221296
Don't let /co/'s very special interest in French products skew your view, the vast majority of French cartoons feature no nudity or sex. I mean shit, only /co/ still cares about Code Lyoko and that's because there's loli and shota nudity in it.

>>88218094
Didn't know that Tcho was Swiss. I liked Malika Secouss about a teenage Arab girl in urban France. No hijab just t-shirt and min skirt.

>>88221861
Reminder that Oggy got shitcanned from Nickelodeon in America because a soccer mom found hidden boobs in an episode.

>>88219029
Damn. Gotlib dead in a way was better off.

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>>88221891
Fact-checking and it's actually French and Swiss, as it was an initiative of Zep and Glénat.
The author of Malika Secouss is French, but there were some Swiss comics besides Titeuf in it (Franky Snow).

The number 0 was actually sold with a Titeuf album.

>>88221905
Huh, fuck me.

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goodnight sweet prince...


>> no fucking sticky
fuck you americunts!

>>88222112
Stickies aren't a honor, they're there to limit the shitposting like the 14 threads we had when fucking Steve Dillon died.

>>88222112
>Patineur d'argent
>Zardoz
>Alain Delon présente
This is hysterical.

The real question is why their smut is so dull compared to their risque works.

>>88222356
No element of surprise, maybe?

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>>88218094
>Something that happened very early in Zep's success was him working with the Geneva Canton on a Titeuf themed sex ed book.
This one? I probably still have it somewhere. It was a really standard book about sex ed, except for two pages with a hole in them that encouraged you to use the pages and your finger to enact paper sex. It was the silliest damn thing.

>>88222356
That is true of mostly everything. Showing is better than telling and implying is better than showing. Your mind fills in the blanks in a way that's specifically catered to you and as such is better than anything any artist that isn't you can provide.

>>88223052
>enact paper sex
/co/'s dry dream.

This is an English-speaking website for English speaking-people. I will not tolerate any more French shit.

>>88221753

Raws on emulebdz senpai but you don't have to translate it tho, I appreciate the offer though. I should stop being lazy and pick up French again especially with my own finals being done.

>>88223363
(Toi)

>>88223052
>>88222392
I didn't want to bring it up, but what i meant was how most of their smut is artistically tame. There is a large focus on realism, or at least anatomical accuracy, with little room for exaggeration.
I would even say that some of it is more wonderful to peruse, than to fap to.

Maybe I just missed the good stuff.

>>88212641
This makes me happy to hear.

>>88196306
Wave of cheap french comics?

I've been hearing this a lot on the euro comics threads here, mainly when Lanfeust and Soleil are mentioned

Is it actually big enough to have any impact on the scene, or people are just pulling a stop liking what i don't like?

>>88223619
Is there any modern drawn porn that's getting published? If not, you are referring to pre internet porn smut. they had very different approaches to eroticism.

>>88220843
Well I'm gonna start learning french, I could do some if you don't mind le duwanguette

>>88223363
Better switch to Aenglisc, because the orthography you use if borrowed from French.

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>>88224374
>I've been hearing this a lot on the euro comics threads here, mainly when Lanfeust and Soleil are mentioned
>Is it actually big enough to have any impact on the scene, or people are just pulling a stop liking what i don't like?
Not the guy you're replying to but it's a lot worse than Lanfeust, and yes it's a pretty damn sizeable part of the market.
Not sure if it really hurts anything as the target demos don't cross that much between those "cheap" comics and those that require work.
Like the "cheap" variant will be a lot of re-telling of tired old jokes about blondes, state-workers, your brother/mother in law, regrouped by themes.

It's not exactly new though, before Soleil, Vents d'Ouest also did it a lot (but they also publish a lot of good shit). They make for decent gifts if you're a lazy fuck like me.

>>88223560
Was not aware of this site. Do I have to be a member though? And it's no big deal, I've been meaning to contribute to the scanlation scene for a while now, and French is the only language I'm competent enough in to do so. My spanish is mucho shaky.

>>88224374
Do some typesetting/lettering? or some translation? I don,t mind either way, and I can always edit out mistakes as well as help you out with your French if you like. I'm no expert by any means, mais je me débrouille quand même assez bien.

>>88224470
>orthography
I didn't even know that word existed in English, they always say "spelling". Cool.

>>88224723
Just to clarify, duwangette does imply translation, but duwang had horrible everything, so it's hard to tell

>>88224771
Knowing French gives you access to a bunch of fancy English words. Someone earlier in the thread used interdiction. When do you ever see that outside of legal jargon?

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>>88224722
Not just for adults anymore :^)

>>88224920
That's true, you rarely use interdiction in lieu of prohibition. I'm always wary of venturing there because when you use a word that doesn't actually translate 1-for-1 it just gets confusing for your interlocutor.
*tips béret*

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>>88224941
>Goupil was the name of my boyscout troop leader
>he later killed himself after being accused of pedophilia
>I have an suspiciously vague memory of seeing a penis at one point during a boyscout trip

>>88225034
>The phrasing of that entire post
Well played, sir.

>>88219048
They are very similar in many instances. Got this, god that, in name of god, war, us vs them....

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>>88226971
To be fait kind of everybody is like that.
Except Bhutan I guess, but it's always "except Bhutan".

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