Champions

Why would kamala go against them though? They're just practicing her own faith.

>>88190983
How is Kamala, Nova, and Miles there? Don't they have families and school? How do they have time for this?

>>88191101
>raped by the people they're trying to protect and then defending and apologizing for their rapists to avoid being "bigoted"

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>>88190983


ISIS was not the target

who was it /co/?

>>88191097
Teleporters.

>>88190983
This is going to be a productive thread with some informative discussion, and then after a few dozen posts all points will have been calmly and rationally made and it will peacefully fall off page 10.

>>88190983
Who's the anorexic chipmunk with cyclops' powers?

>>88190983
To be fair the women did overcooked the roast.

>>88191186
psst, hey friend...
MAGA

>How do you do, fellow kids?

>>88191097
It's the weekend?

Islam is simultaneously a religion and a political ideology, you can respect someone's faith while denouncing their political ideology because it's genuinely harmful. There's a reason that all theocratic Islamic countries are basically super fucking evil but integrated western muslims can practice their beliefs in private in peace.

>>88191156
Waid got red pilled.

>>88191192
Hitler

>>88191287
Excuse you, his name is TEEN Hitler

>>88190983
>>woman is putting herself between the others and the 'fanatics'
Yeah, okay.

>>88191264
Yeah, sadly the only real way to affect change in the lives of those essentially living a theocracy is to over throw their leaders and install your own

Which would actually be an interesting proposition for a comic book. A group of super heroes decides the Avengers aren't doing enough to help the world. They over throw ISIS and install their own free government. But sadly the real world bits their overly optimistic butts.

>>88190983
Good on Marvel for at least letting them fuck up some terrorists without some sort of sympathy for the fuckers. I half believed Ms. Marvel will go on a tirade about "Not true Islam".

>>88190983
so where's the part where it turns out the women are suicide bombers?

Are Marvel employees the mods of this board?
Why do they always delete posts and threads?

>>88191630
Are you talking about nigga posting screemcap of a girl being raped and killed, directly from /pol/, so the discussion can be mainly about shitskins?

>>88191630

Shitposting is only allowed on /b/, newfriend.

>>88190983

Could it be too much to ask for another Stamford where they get kill and disgrace?

>>88191630
I wouldn't be surprised if there's some employees posting some of the previews and starting threads.

>>88190983
To be honest if it's urdu it means it's somewhere between Pakistan, Afghanistan and maybe Iran, so maybe it's less an ISIS analogue and more a Ms Marvel reacting against something she can personally relate to because of her heritage?

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>>88191396
Now I'm just imagining a 90's teenage cartoon Hitler

>We must eliminate the lame-o's!

>>88190983
>I don't understand the language but there's guns so they must be bad

Typical American heroes shoot first ask later

>>88191851
Kamala does.

>>88190983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huz7ek7r2u4

>>88191776
Most people on /co/ still think Kamala's Arab and you expect them to know what the fuck an Urdu is.

>>88190983

Holy shit. Assuming this is happening in Pakistan (or whatever-stan) aren't this AMERICAN teens intervening in foreign affairs? Why doesn't SHIELD put a leash in this kids?

>>88192013
They're too #WOKE for that.

>>88190983
...seriously? They are sending their hip teenage heroes to non-lethally combat middle-easterners to appeal to some 'topical' political nonsense?

>>88190983

Do they cover the fact that (((HYDRA))) infiltrated CIA which funded these """"rebels"""

Where is Scanbro

>>88192013
Yeah, this is like a political powder keg ready to explode.

What exactly is the kid's plan anyway? Are they actually planning to kill the forces that they are personally against? Unless they roll in hard and decimate them while installing their own powerful replacements to fill the power gap they aren't going to achieve anything positive

>>88191488
Going on a tirade and then going into another tirade about not wanting to be seen as the one who goes on tirades is her whole shtick in this book.

>>88190983
the hell are they doing so far from the USA?
>>88191029
god i would love for the SJWs to do this and just illogically call mahvel racists and insensitive bigots.

Are there any Salafist supervillains?

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>cyclops

>>88192134

By Allah, I hope not!

>>88192130
Something something something the Avengers don't care about the REAL maladies of the world something something proactive team something #woke

>>88192074

I'm going to assume that their plan is to not kill anyone but take away the women and children somewhere safe.

Which of course then brings up the question of where they are going to put them, since (with the terrorist and all) the zone must be dangerous anyways and it's not like they could drop the refugees anyone without causing a bureaucraty mess if they find a country that accept them. And not to say how the government of X country will react to foreign superheroes in their land, and in the case they do accept them (again basing this on the countries I think they may take place) other governments will start demanding why American heroes help one country and not the others.

Me thinks Waid didn't think this through.

>>88192181
Nine of that stuff will ever be an issue. They're going to "save the day", and then leave the women and children to fend for themselves.

>>88192157
it was so cringe to see them use twitter in those pages, like god, get over yourselves writers, you haven't earned it.

>>88190983
There is something really uncomfortable about super heroes involved in real life events. It feels like childish wish fulfillment on the writer's part, why would there even be Isis in the Marvel world - which is full of super humans. It's like those comics about 9/11 that have Super Heroes reacting to it.

>>88192273
What about... like.... SUPER-I.S.?

>>88192273
Yeah, that shit pissed me off. Like, fuck you, none of the million psychics saw that coming? Nobody flew up there and stopped this shit. Fuck, New York is superhero mecca! Don't "get real" in fucking fantasy land.
You're not respecting a tragedy, you're cheapening it.

Whatever happened to Frank Miller is happening to marvel.

>>88192365
Honestly things way worse than the events of 9/11 happen to Marvel New York every couple of months, like alien invasions that wreck the whole city only for it to be speedily repaired afterward or horrifying monsters and lifeforms that invade or possess everyone living there.

A couple of planes flown into the twin towers is barely anything compared to those multiple crisis events that happen again and again.

>>88192440
Yeah, this too. a 9/11 is like, a fucking Tuesday to these people.

>>88192504
But that Tuesday made Doom cry.

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>>88192060
>infiltrated CIA
>being under the impression
t's actually part of CIA's multi-layered keikaku

>>88192530
And the Juggernaut, AFTER trying to take down the towers HIMSELF and laughing maniacally at the thought of it in a Spider-Man/Cable crossover from the 90s.

>>88192581
Well of course he's crying. Now he'll never get the chance.

>>88192181
This is more or less the point on which Lex tries to frame Superman for in the extended version of BvS. I thought that the Africa segment was actually pretty good a critique of the usual "argument" about why doesn't Superman end wars etc.but of course they butchered in the theatrical cut so the next part with the chief villager speaking against Superman in the US doesn't make sense

>>88192548
Never saw this, pity it didn't end this way.

>>88192623

>Waid shit on BvS
>He is going to do the same fucking shit

I wanna see Tyke level Mecca, and Mark Waid become the next Salman Rushdi.

>>88190983
"Protect the girls!"
>you arrive just in time to save the girls
>you never bothered to arrive in time to save all the boys they've already killed before turning on the girls

Boy, it's #BringBackOurGirls all over again

>>88192201
I remember getting vaguely annoyed at something happening in Invincible.

So Atom Eve pisses off to Africa because drama issues and I guess wanting to use her powers to make a difference in the life of the underprivileged etc.
So she makes this bigass fancy log house in a random part of Africa and transmutes a big garden and there's some generic African tribe living nearby. It seems as if the implication is that she's using her powers to improve the land to make it better for the people living there... and also you would assume using her superpowered hero combat abilities to ward off any warlords or criminals that would want to roll in and take advantage of this now much more valuable territory for themselves?

But then later on its fucking drawn on screen that she is simply handing out PACKAGED GOODS to the tribes-people out of a cardboard box.

And then eventually when Kirkman wants her to physically take part in the main plot again and have the terrible romance with Invincible she just peaces out from Africa, leaving the tribal village to fend for themselves in their little artificially-created Eden without even a second thought or acknowledgement by the narration of what is going to happen to them now that the big superpowered stick is gone.

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>>88190983
>everyone is in a uniform or costume
>Vision bitch is wearing a sweater

>>88192013
>>88192074
Western fighters volunteering for conflicts around the world isn't terribly uncommon, there's a lot of Americans and other Westerners volunteering to fight ISIS right now.

They might get in some trouble with their own government, but it isn't going to start an international incident because the government didn't put them there.

>>88192999
A guy with a gun isn't the same as a person with the power of an army.

>>88190983
Something about this page just feels off

Like I doubt that ISIS burns girls when you can just rape them.

>>88192961

Isn't that what happens all the time? Some tragedy happens in Africa, the international help covers for the lack of food time passes and the food runs out again. Rise and repeat.

>>88192999
Its not like they are foreign fighters simply signing up to fight with forces over there, they are a superpowered team that flew over from America in their high-tech craft to carry out a mission.

Aren't some of them actually official Avengers? I've not been keeping up with Marvel but last I checked basically EVERYONE was an Avenger on one of the dozen or so different teams.

>>88193028
First, they're speaking Urdu so this is likely in Pakistan, so this isn't ISIS.

Second, ISIS rapes AND murders their female captives.

>>88193060
Seems like a good waste of females

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>>88193058
Maybe, I skipped Waidvengers.

>>88193045
But she wasn't part of some Aid Organisation, she literally just pissed off to Africa and randomly built a house in the middle of generic African plains and started terraforming.

>>88193058
>Aren't some of them actually official Avengers?
No. The point of Champions is that Sam, Miles, and Kamala went "fuck the Avengers" and quit, forming the Champions instead.

>>88193028
>translated from Urdu
Wrong side of Iran, brah.
They are going to be in Afghanistan or Pakistan, which makes those guys Taliban or some other ultraconservative group who try and keep people, especially women, away from education and liberty and such newfangled nonsense.

>>88192134
I don't think anyone is going to try and really unravel Islamic theology and denominations at Marvel. Really, the topic is so complex and hard to pin down, even experts struggle to keep all the groups and their beliefs straight.

>>88193060
And their male captives. They used to mostly try and enslave women while killing all the men and holding young boys as sex slaves, but once they got to losing, that became harder to do.

>>88193130
>>88193060
But OP said ISIS

Why would he trick me like this

>>88193091
She wasn't terraforming

Terraforming implies she was changing the atmosphere and weather such that the plants she made with her powers would survive. Which she wasn't. She was just making food. All of those plants died and all of those people starved after she left.

>>88193117
ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWHA!

>>88193130
>and holding young boys as sex slaves
Wait WHAT

So these people get boypussy in real life and 40 virgins in heavens? This shit ain't fair

>>88190983
Holy fuck, Cyclops has a real case of bucktooth going on. Are we sure his powers don't come from him being part of Billy Joe Jim Bob's inter-family harem?

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>>88192273
>There is something really uncomfortable about super heroes involved in real life events

Sometimes its cool though

>>88193147
Because he can't tell brown people apart?

>>88193189
Yeah, the boipussy isn't all that happy about it, either.

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>>88192273
Well you see ISIS came to be because of government fuck ups, and heroes don't involve themselves with government affairs.

And hey just remember that the super humans come in villain form as well.
>There is something really uncomfortable about super heroes involved in real life events
It all depends on what you make from it, we got Dust from super heroes involved in real life events. What a great character she was until she became dust in the wind

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>>88193197
Pfffffffffffffffft the Human Torch (original) is way more badass.

He's the guy that canon killed Hitler, burnt him to ashes.

>>88193086
Wow, they are burning their elitist super club membership cards AND sprayed an A on the wall.

They sure are rebels

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>>88193197
>not posting improved version

>>88193272
Reminder that Dust was originally going to be an evil mutant with suicide-bomber powers.

But then even Marvel realized that would be pretty fucked up, so they 'just' made her a middle-eastern muslim with sand powers.

>>88193189
Why do you think media only focus on girls? Because the boys are already raped and dead by the time the media bothers to report

Arabs sure love their pedo gay bait, maybe because it's haram as fuck

>>88193320
You never know what crazy stuff Morrison will come up with

>>88193304
The design of the page isnt even similar.

0/10 Would not compare

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>>88193320
Speaking of fucked up... eleven days before planes rammed Towers, pic related happened in some FF comic.

>>88193365
Those uniforms look atrocious but... i kimda like what Ben Grim's wearing

>>88193086
i hate when they try to fuck up kamala. that smug look is super punchable.

>>88193365
DURKA DURKA! MUHAMMAD JIHAD!

>>88190983
>We've lost! Eat the girls!

When the hell is Eagle Eye Smith gonna join the team? C'mon Marvel, pull the trigger.

>>88193197
Name another event other than punching Hitler.

>>88193492
There's other stuff in history?

>>88193492
Raping Hitler

>>88193581
Jim, no. This HAS to stop!

Speaking of Batman's cast though, remember when the Joker became Iran's representative on the UN... somehow... which gave him unlimited diplomatic immunity?

>>88193091

I have hear talk that what Africa needs are agrarian reforms and not outside food.

>>88192979
Her father's current costume is literally just stickers, boots, and a cape. I don't know if his current body has a retractable dick or something.

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>>88193361
Old cover is cramped, people are close to each other.
>>88193753
Comics writers in charge of politics.

>>88192073
All the girls join the Champions honorarily. Comic sucks.

>>88192013
We all know that Champions versus establishment AKA SHIELD or Avengers is going to happen at some point

>>88193811
>he has different attachments
>wanda liked the one that was ribbed for her pleasure

They say like a page or two before they can't take out whole groups but want to do some good. Iron Man has the same scene

>>88193492
Captain America vs Nixon? Never read it, but I heard it happened

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>>88193881
Bless you, Scanbro.

>>88190983
*Translated from Pakistanian

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>>88193930
Yep, Secret Empire. Cap was so disappoint in everything, he dropped his name.

>>88193988
/co/ would've been real fun at the time this came out.

>>88194013
>4chan would have sided with Nixon

goddammit that probably would have happened

>>88193988
Funny thing, though. Cap, Falcon, Cyclops and Jean were the ones to defeat the fuck out of Secret Empire.
>>88194013
Oh, yes. Trump/Hillary shenanigans would be nothing compared to this.

>>88193927
They are already invading foreign soil with a walking nuclear weapon of mass destruction, they either need to go big or go home

All jokes aside, but isn't there some team of muslim supers in that area? Some shitty team, dude with curved sword and such generic things?

>>88193336
It's because you can't have sex before you marry. Not unless you want to kill the chick afterwards. Boys are a hypocritical sidestep because Mohammad didn't say they were taboo. It also beats fucking sheep I guess.

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>>88193492
Nigga did you forget the time when the Joker was still fresh of maiming Barbara and fucking killing Jason Todd and he went off on being promoted as IRAN'S EMBASSADOR TO THE UN by Ayatollah Khomeini in person? And how in fact all the storyline where Jason ends up being killed revolved around the Joker selling a Cruise missile to super evil ARAB TERRORISTS in the the actual ongoing Lebanon Civil War hellbent on destroying muh Israel? And how the storyline RIGHT AFTER THAT was Starlin writing the Russians sending the villain subtly named KGBEAST after the president of the United States Ronald "blessed be his name forever by our burger stars" Reagan?

I repeat: one of the most important stories in Batman's canon involved the Joker getting involved in Lebanon's civil war and then be appointed by Khomeini himself as Iran's embassador. /co/ really doesn't read comics.

>>88194366
Comicbook writers are hack

>>88191029
They're Muslims, doesn't mean they're not a bunch of goatfucking heretics.

>>88191161
I feel bad for you

>>88194366

>Joker went off on being promoted as IRAN'S EMBASSADOR TO THE UN by Ayatollah Khomeini in person

superhero comics are wild

So, is Kamala like leader now?

This is not what I am looking forward to when I read Ms. Marvel.

>>88194572
>heretics
But they're literally practicing their faith more accurately than Kamala ever has. If anything she's the apostate.

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What about if there was a superhero named The Crusader who was waging a one-man war on the middle east?

Just fucking DEUS VULTing over all the assholes with ak's raping little boys and beheading women.

Hell it could be a woman too, the sex isn't as important as the superpowered righteousness IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.

>>88194847
there is already a villain named Crusaded and since he is a major christfag, I can see him going on a rampage againts the Islamic State

>>88193292
Deadpool's Hitler kill was better.
>magdump a lot of mags into Hitler
>prop Hitler up against wall
>put Luger into Hitler's hand to make it look like suicide

>>88194366
I knew about it and it gets me every time I remember it. Goddamn I love comics.

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>>88191264
>integrated western muslims

>>88191029
Khamala is a New York Muslim.
That's the same as being a New York Jew, who for example don't want Israel to be wiped off the map but otherwise dislike them.

Besides, she's Pakistani. ISIS has as much to do with them as the IRA does Spanish Catholics.

>>88195405
Anon my best friend in grade school was a Muslim growing up and even though he couldn't eat pork and his dad made him pray every day his mother didn't wear a hijab, both his little sisters played with barbies and they still sang at the Christmas pageant at school.

>>88195405
Iranians yo

>>88192440
Those zombie vikings from Thor did quite a number on New York.

>>88193077
ISIS has no longterm plans.

Remember the neoNazis in The Wall that Pink leads? That's them.

>>88195405
There's been a large Muslim community in the US that were allowed to come as refugees and build a town in the midwest since the 1920's nobody hears about since they integrated so well.

Seriously. Integrated Muslims back when we still had flapper girls and speakeasies.

>>88195405

If you knew jack shit about the world you'd know there have been integrated muslims here for a long time, I've had the pleasure to work with several refugees from Iran, Ethiopia, Congo who are muslim as well as non-muslim refugees from Burma and Thai. They have all been pleasant people who work their asses off harder than 90% of Americans and are just happy to be here in a place where you (most of the time) can live without being persecuted for who you are.

PLEASE realize how incendiary you are.

>>88194366
Crazy fun, wish we could get something that fun now

>>88195596
I don't think that story was Canon seeing how it was labeled under the MAX print.

>>88195831
A shame. It was good.

>>88195682
The real issue is the current wave of immigrants coming through the EU. Most of them just refuse to integrate no matter what the situation. And quite a few of them sexually harass the locals.

This is very much a product of culture more than anything.

>>88196374
They are integrated. Its just that they chose Chav and Slav culture to integrate into.

>>88196431
No they aren't idiot. Many migrant Muslims in the EU live in Muslim enclaves or closed communities, polls reveal many of these colonies (because that's what they are) believe that up to 75% of their respective countries are fellow Muslims, and it's not uncommon for Muslim men to voluntarily go out as "Sharia patrols" and harass people for non-muslim actions (even hassling non Muslims, informing them they're in a "Muslim area")

>>88196763
So Chavs, and Slavs visiting other countries.

>>88193492
Punisher in vietnam (though the sliding timeline has changed that).

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>>88190983
>marvel could get Charlie Hebdo'ed for this
>and then they will blame Trump

About fucking time they do SOMETHING. Let's hope they don't check tweets after someone dies.

>>88196374
Well, most haven't been the chance to integrate either. Like a million people walked into Europe, that shit is going to take time to work out.

>>88192797
>BvS
Wait, he did that? Link?

Know whats funny?

After mocking Trump as MODOK and encouraging people to vote against him, Trump in real life actually really likes Pakistan and is against the policies of the whitest people on Earth in the Nordic regions with his anti-green stance.

>>88192979
I was about to ask the same thing.

in b4 this story is supposed to be a Christmas story and Viv's sweater was a gift.

>>88192074
>>88192074
>>88192181

it's almost like this 3 page preview could be setting up different stories because of the effects from the events depicted!

>>88193881
Question: How is the Chulk/Vivian thing resolved? Does Sam fight for his right to mack on a robot girl, or does he get cucked twice when they inevitably hook up Miles and KamalOH MY GOD IF THIS IS A CHRISTMAS ISSUE THEN VALENTINE'S DAY IS GONNA SUCK

>>88193881
What else coming out this Wednesday sucks?

>>88190983

>Heroes go in on the attack even when they don't understand the situation

Yeah this is the Marvel universe all aright

>>88198045
They stop kissing and Viv says it was a test and meh. Then maybe she should try the other gender. Then nothing happens.

>>88198470
Clone Conspiracy has a big thing happen.

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>>88193881

WE FULL EAT IT GRANDPA

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>>88199059
>Then maybe she should try the other gender.

This book man...

>>88193881
how was nova

>>88199059
So, no actual resolution? Just a cutoff cliffhanger kind of gag normally reserved for television commercial breaks?

Ech.

>>88190983
This is a perfect opportunity to accuse Waid of racism and Islamophobia. Fight fire with fire.

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>>88193304

This is damn hilarious.
>I could just fly away but let me punch him on the way out

It's almost like that Nick Fury cover where he's hitting She-Hulk with the flying car

Please I need to see the sales for issue two

>>88195429
>Besides, she's Pakistani. ISIS has as much to do with them as the IRA does Spanish Catholics
>comparing the IRA who simply want Norn Iron back to ISIS who are Religious Supremacists

wew lad

Thats why Pakistanis roll over to the Middle East and fight for ISIS is it?

>>88193492
Punching Stalin

>>88191264
You can also disrespect someone's religion when they worship a genocidal child rapist.

>>88195525
Go to bed Merkel, nobody's buying your shit.

>>88192999
They're all on the SHRA, with the possble exception of Cyclops. You think the goverment is just going to be OK with that?

>>88192013
>Maria Hill turns on the tv
>Massive political upheaval today as a bunch of 'woke' kids started ww3
>Gun moves smoothly into her mouth>>88192013

>>88190983

They're actually Islamic terrorists as bad guys? I don't fucking believe it. When did this happen?

>>88193887
I want Maria hill to just beat every single one of them with a belt and send them home.

>>88199831
So do white Westerners

>>88200208
SCANBRO scans please!

>>88200333
Teen Cyclops will particularly enjoy that, so will Maria

>>88199831
The IRA are kind of religious supremacists too. Like the whole reason Northern Ireland exists in the first place is because Irish Protestants didn't want to be a part of a cathloci country. It's a religious comflict as much as it is anything else.

>>88200439
>next issues is just Maria being dragged off to the slammer for relations with a teen.

>>88200476
While it has a religious element it mainly boils down to the descendents of Ulster Scots and Irishmen warring with each other and the Brits not really being able to give up Northern Ireland without looking like they are turning their backs on ethically British people

The same goes for the Falklands

>>88200348
At vastly different numbers

>>88190983
>they finally pull the trigger on the elephant on the room
>it's not in Kamala's own fucking comic
Dammit all Wilson you're making it hard to defend you.

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>>88199059

>>88200599
>people are products of their environment
WOW ANON, BREAKING NEW GROUND HERE

Has anyone pointed already the hypocrisy that in the first issue Cho, being a motherfucker Hulk, accused other people of being a young version of a mass murderer?

I know it's not the thread to that, i just thought about it

>>88193086
Why are they burning their Avengers ID cards?

>>88200718
EAT IT

>>88200676
Yes its obvious yet people still unironically bring up the "I have a Muslim neighbor and he's a very nice man" fallicy.

He's nice because of our society. Not his own.

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>>88190983

I'm curious, when the liberals in the west talk about "the good islam" why does it always seem like all they're interested in is protecting cute brown girls with head scarfs? I originally thought it was just that "well, the men don't wear any real identifiers that they're muslims and women+headscarf=instant muslim" but it's never any men being saved against bigots

>>88200712
No because hulk never killed anyone.

>>88192273
Wouldn't most World religions fall apart when there's definitive proof your god is bullshit and your entire existence is constantly threatened by beings beyond your comprehension

>>88199059
What happens marvel has been hyping up the clone conspiracy shit

>>88200777
Because they're cute?

Also because it's not the women who do the raping at best they'll throw some acid in their daughter's face for being dishonoraburu to famiry

>>88201427
I didn't want to start a thread just for the spoiler without scanning the page or anything or getting an article on Bleeding Cool about it.

The Jackal is Ben Reilly.

>>88201599
>The Jackal is Ben Reilly.
everyone called it

bump for spoilers

Any chance you are there Scanbro and could give us an early release or spoiler

>>88200777
Because those are the only muslims they met. Therefore all muslims are the same everywhere no matter the country.

>>88201599
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Slott is a hack

>>88200758
Yet you also call them scum despite being born here, so you also purport that they're inherently inferior.

Excuse me for not taking you seriously, /pol/

>>88202482
I replied earlier in the thread, nothing much happens. Didn't want another article on Bleeding Cool this week either.

>>88200777
It's like the difference between goblin males and females. People like goblin females while male goblins are little shit that will shank you and steal your socks.
On a less racist note, it's because most terrorists are male, so the west doesn't fear female muslims because in a sense they are kind of oppressed and not necessarily part of the problem, I think.

>>88195621
Daesh's whole plan is 'Get the west to bomb us and a lot of innocent muslims as collatoral damage, making it clear to all muslims that they can never live peacefully with the west, which will start a world war of muslims vs everybody else something something global caliphate allah ackbar'

That's it. That's their whole, genuine, plan. It's completely retarded.

Which just makes it sadder how many western right-winger types are so eager to play right into their retarded plan.